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00:01:29.000I think this is one of the more critical conversations we can have because what you're about to find out, just even from the few minutes I've spent with these young guys, Is that their culture is completely foreign.
00:01:40.000It's like an alien planet to older generations.
00:01:44.000And by older generations, I mean millennials and on.
00:01:48.000So you're going to learn a lot, I believe, here.
00:01:50.000And just to underscore the point, who around this table is going to be old enough to vote in the next generation or the next election, 2028?
00:03:38.000And it's like you don't remember, you know, for older people that might be watching this, like, you know, pre 9 11, when you didn't have to.
00:03:46.000You know, get a cavity search to just get through the airport.
00:03:50.000Okay, so I just wanted to frame that up for people watching at home that the world you are living in and have been exposed to and experienced is completely foreign to a lot of people, all right?
00:04:01.000So somebody said, I forget who it was, I think it was you, that your basic entire social media existence, kind of online discourse, political discourse is memes, is memified.
00:04:15.000Everything's memified, everything's sort of like joke based.
00:04:27.000I mean, I think Charlie did it, right?
00:04:28.000I mean, Charlie was the epicenter of this new internet form of politics.
00:04:35.000And all of us, we're getting our content.
00:04:37.000Even like some of these guys are my friends.
00:04:39.000Like when I learn something about politics, often it's I see one of your guys' videos, send it to a buddy, they send it to me.
00:04:48.000You know, everything is based on that.
00:04:50.000But then also you have the negative of that, which is the memes, right?
00:04:54.000Like you get, you have all these things, you know, the Kirkified memes, the, Everything and it's you know, some of it's funny, but some of it's like making light of just horrific things.
00:05:06.000We should expand on what you mean by that.
00:05:08.000So, Charlie, since his death, has become to my understanding like a stock meme character practically.
00:05:18.000You can't scroll Instagram Reels without every fifth video seeing a picture of Charlie Kirk throwing out a hat with a gambling advertisement on his shirt.
00:05:35.000It's fascinating because it's almost like they're desensitizing you to the fact that what happened, right?
00:05:41.000Because he's gone, he got assassinated.
00:05:45.000The memes and it being out there and the jokes that are made desensitize the public to that it actually happened.
00:05:52.000And that's seen in other areas of politics as well, I believe, where it's like there's just memes and memes and memes.
00:05:59.000And it's almost like because you see it so much, you're just used to it.
00:06:03.000Well, I think this is really powerful what you're saying.
00:06:07.000Because I believe one of the reasons Charlie was assassinated was because, you know, Lance Twiggs, Tyler Robinson, their larger friend group.
00:06:16.000We often talk about this video by Turkey Tom that dives into their lived experience.
00:06:23.000I think it was very disassociative of real morality and real lived experience, IRL life, you know, versus the meme culture, where things become disconnected from the real world consequences.
00:06:38.000This is why I think we just found out that he came.
00:06:41.000Back to his home crying and saying he wish he wouldn't have done it because it was an instant confrontation with reality.
00:06:48.000That I think the young people like you are being steeped in memes, jokes that is disassociative.
00:06:54.000So, to ask you guys to elaborate, so we say you're in this very online stuff.
00:06:58.000How, first of all, what actual social networks are you using?
00:07:05.000And then, as a follow up, is this mostly being shared then via are you just in a bunch of group chats and are those people you mostly know in real life or is it heavily people you know?
00:07:42.000And it's kind of just, you know, you scroll your network.
00:07:46.000I know most of my algorithm is either short form content talking about political discourse and what's going on and few memes that are relatable.
00:07:56.000So, mostly DMs to your friends in the app, right?
00:08:10.000And everything I see that relates to that just comes through the algorithm.
00:08:14.000I don't necessarily know the people who are posting them, which is the most concerning thing to me.
00:08:19.000Is because we don't know who these people are, and we know that these social media platforms can get extremely addictive.
00:08:25.000So, when you have this mixture between lack of morality and addictiveness, we see it change the human mind.
00:08:32.000And I think, as you said about Tyler Robinson and Lance Twiggs, for example, that is happening to so many of our youth because they're being brainwashed from the things that they are seeing online and on social media.
00:08:45.000Yeah, you know, for me, I'm mostly on, like, my social platform is Instagram.
00:08:50.000And I think that the message that needs to be conveyed to the rest of Gen Z, and honestly, even people in these conservative circles, is at the end of the day, a lot of these memes, you know, when I see the videos of JD Vance with the luscious hair and that face,
00:09:07.000when I see these memes, I mean, I die laughing.
00:09:14.000And I think that we have to be able to, as a conservative movement, as conservative teens, Be able to draw this line, find this distinction because we're going too far and we're getting to a culture that's desensitized to information.
00:09:30.000Are you on a lot of group chats or do you have like group chats within Instagram?
00:09:36.000Yeah, I mean, I'm not really, I don't really message on Instagram.
00:09:39.000I mean, people from my school, people from my Turning Point chapter.
00:09:42.000I mean, Henrik, like these are the people that I'm communicating with on social media.
00:09:46.000And I think sometimes I take a step back and I say, okay, you know, I've been sent something from someone who's even a conservative on these platforms, these memes.
00:10:28.000The reels and that sort of content, I would say, seeps into my life.
00:10:32.000It's really fascinating the difference in how people act when they're online or even in person showing you something online compared to when they're in person.
00:10:42.000I've got friends who I know they're great people.
00:11:00.000And I asked them, What's funny about that?
00:11:03.000And nobody could articulate what it was that made them laugh.
00:11:06.000It was just some reaction, a very overt reaction that happened as a result of seeing whatever content was thrown their way.
00:11:15.000Yeah, I mean, I'm on TikTok and Instagram, and then we message on Snapchat.
00:11:20.000And, you know, there's, Henrik had said, there's so many of these accounts that create the same exact same memes over and over and over again to where it just fills up the algorithm.
00:11:31.000And then the algorithm, pardon me, is flooded with.
00:11:35.000All these memes and images of the Kirkifies and things like that.
00:11:38.000And then they get sent to each other, and we're all on group chats and stuff like that with my buddies.
00:11:44.000And they all get sent to him, and it is like this almost mindless reaction to it.
00:11:54.000It's his face, normally from one shot or one angle, and it's put onto things, whether it's like Pikachu or another meme that gets added in.
00:12:15.000Epstein, to be honest with you, that's like that's that's one of the main features.
00:12:19.000Trump, JD Vance, um, Diddy, what, yeah, Diddy, yeah, yeah, that's a big one.
00:12:26.000And I mean, they'll they'll put, I mean, I see images on my feed every day of like AI photos of Charlie, like with Diddy and Epstein, like that's that's what's getting pushed out.
00:12:36.000Oh, so it's from the lefties, yeah, or something, but I honestly, I think it's also now starting to become this culture synonymous with like.
00:12:46.000The uber far right culture as well, kind of the Gruyper culture and all of that.
00:12:52.000And that's really kind of starting to get tied in now, too, with this.
00:12:55.000Is the joke just like anarchic stuff that it's just Charlie with Epstein is funny because it's absurd?
00:13:03.000Will it have a political point at all?
00:13:05.000I don't think it necessarily has a political point, but I also think it's somewhat of a mockery.
00:13:09.000I think that, you know, we hold Charlie to such a high value and also, like, you know, turning point.
00:13:16.000Is making so many posts honoring Charlie.
00:13:39.000Yeah, it goes to the desensitization, I think.
00:13:41.000People see these things, and even if there's not really any value or meaning behind them, people will see jokes made about.
00:13:49.000Charlie, that's the big one we've been talking about here.
00:13:51.000But Epstein, Diddy, like we're all talking about.
00:13:54.000And there's not value behind it, but when people see that, it becomes more ingrained in their minds, I think.
00:14:01.000And just when they interact with serious topics in the real world, some of that unthoughtfulness, let's say, seeps into their own reactions in real life.
00:14:11.000And I think that's where we've got some concerns.
00:14:35.000But the memes, they almost normalize who he is.
00:14:39.000And so when people think of him, it's like they think of the memes and his island and things like that.
00:14:46.000They don't so much think about how bad of a person he was.
00:14:50.000Well, and by juxtaposing him to Charlie, who was a tremendous human, an American martyr and a Christian martyr.
00:14:58.000And juxtaposing him with Epstein, you're almost conveying some of Charlie's goodness on Epstein and conveying some of Epstein's evilness onto Charlie.
00:15:08.000So you're sort of blurring everything and melding it into one whole.
00:15:12.000I don't necessarily think that anybody who's perpetuating these memes or creating these memes ever intended it to be this way.
00:15:20.000We all live in a digital age, and a lot of people who may not be super involved like we are in real life.
00:15:28.000They kind of just take this stuff that they see online.
00:15:31.000They take the elections and they take the one clip liners and they don't understand that this is real life.
00:15:38.000They can tell you that they think it's real life, but they don't actually understand the gravity of the situation.
00:15:44.000And so, a situation like Epstein or P. Diddy or the public murder of Charlie, it all just comes off as something they saw online.
00:15:54.000And it can all blend together in their head.
00:15:56.000And sometimes I think that just because of everything that's happened in our lifetimes, Obviously, everybody goes through something in their lifetime, but I feel like ours, with it all being digitally recorded and all this stuff coming out through the 24 hour news cycle through social media,
00:16:13.000that they don't necessarily take it as seriously as they should.
00:16:18.000And it just turns into memes and jokes, and it's never taken seriously.
00:16:25.000And if I may touch on that real quick, and you guys tell me if I'm wrong, but I think within the past five years, specifically, you know, we've lived through COVID.
00:16:34.000And I think we've seen a huge decrease in morality over the past five years.
00:16:39.000I think COVID was a big factor in that because all of a sudden people were staying at home.
00:16:43.000They were not seeing their family members.
00:17:18.000Yeah, I wasn't too engaged personally in social media.
00:17:20.000But the thing is, even if you yourself are not on social media, you still get a lot of that content just by osmosis because all your friends, all the people around you are.
00:17:29.000And they're so heavily engaged in it that it's almost impossible to avoid.
00:17:37.000When I'm doing activism events with Turning Point and going out into the community, I'll have students come up to me and like start like reciting like phrases from like Charlie Kirk memes.
00:17:48.000Like, I don't know if you've heard like the AI songs and stuff.
00:17:54.000Like, there's all these different things, and they'll come up to me and they'll be like, Charlie, Charlie Kirky, and like say all these things.
00:17:59.000And it's like, you're letting this bleed not only into your feed, but into your real life to the point where you'll come up to a turning point student and just start reciting AI slop.
00:18:10.000This is really interesting to me because, you know, we're.
00:18:15.000Because of what we have to do on a daily basis, we're constantly keeping track of the news, actual facts, source information, reported information, which has a lot of factual issues in and of itself,
00:18:25.000but at least it exists within a framework and a context where they get checked by people and fact checked by people.
00:18:31.000But it's becoming apparent to me that with so much of this fake content just controlling your algorithms, you're probably, especially when you're tabling, confronting a lot of just nonsense, a lot of garbage.
00:18:45.000That people probably assume is real on some level, and it turns out it's just completely fabricated.
00:18:52.000And it's gotten to the point also where I think that this is not fully mainstream media, but media personalities are also kind of pushing this forward.
00:19:02.000Like you talk about people like Nick Fuentes, they're in their super chats on their podcasts, talking about these memes, addressing this, you know?
00:19:11.000And it's that when you see a real person then talking about it, not only are you seeing These reels, this AI slot, but you're seeing real people talking about this and regurgitating it.
00:19:26.000It started to influence young men, especially.
00:19:28.000And the most, the scariest part about some of these influencers is that it's not actual people watching their entire live streams or their entire videos.
00:19:37.000They get clipped and then people just find them funny.
00:19:40.000But when you're perpetually watching that and it goes into your brain, we know that biblically, what comes into your brain, what you hear, what you consume, it turns your heart and it changes your heart.
00:20:30.000I mean, when I talk with my parents or grandparents, They didn't encounter this sort of stuff in high school.
00:20:34.000No, because the wider culture still had its head on mostly straight.
00:20:37.000And now, what you guys are revealing is that outside of our Christian culture, which is sadly a subculture now, which we want to change, but that it's increasingly frightful out there, essentially.
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00:21:56.000I just wanted to get some basic framework here for where you.
00:21:58.000So Danny's telling me that because he's, you know, kind of he interacts with you guys a lot more in this age group, that there is a general sort of Lack of basic understanding of what you want to do and who you want to be,
00:22:28.000I would say that they don't carry a lot of purpose in life.
00:22:32.000The main reason why, you know, some of these memes don't really come across my feet anymore because I don't interact with them, because I believe that if something doesn't build me up, It tears me down.
00:23:16.000There is a world after this, and you have to find out what your purpose in life is because what drives for me is not this life, but where I'm going afterwards.
00:23:45.000But I'll look around, for example, I took a photography class this past year, black and white photography.
00:23:51.000And so when I was in the dark room, I would look around and you just see blue light from people's phones shining in their faces.
00:23:57.000It felt like I was in some dystopian future looking around.
00:24:01.000And people are so engrossed in, I'm talking mostly about social media when I say the self destruction, in scrolling, in looking at reels, in talking superficial conversations that often I think we miss out on real experiences in the real world.
00:24:42.000So, like my family, my family owns small businesses, and I've said to my friends multiple times, Hey, if you guys are looking for a summer job, if you're interested, and I'll have friends say to me, Why would I work?
00:25:17.000And even the thought I've had since looming over this is also that AI has exploded a lot in the last few years.
00:25:26.000What do you and people you know even plan to do?
00:25:28.000Because I've had this thought where if I was giving my sisters advice, because they have young kids, I don't know what I would tell them what their kids should study, for example, because I don't know what will actually even exist.
00:25:56.000And so I think what finds value is to finding things that are going to be sought after, people skills, right?
00:26:04.000Yesterday, one of the speakers was talking about how AI, even if it takes some jobs, That's going to raise the demand of other jobs, right?
00:26:12.000And so it's specializing in things that are unique to you and unique to humanity almost.
00:26:19.000Yeah, but so, but you have good parenting, you have good moral framework from your faith and things like that.
00:26:26.000Generally speaking, we're talking about this sort of apathetic, mushy existence of just being like glued to your digital device that's in your hand, this blue light image.
00:26:37.000I'll probably never forget that, actually.
00:26:39.000It's a really powerful description of everybody in an IRL.
00:26:43.000Environment where you're supposed to be looking at something physical and yet they're all exploding heads.
00:27:03.000And then on AI, I want to go into politics.
00:27:05.000So, I don't think AI is going to be taking my job there.
00:27:08.000But in terms of a lot of the things that that job would require, writing anything like that, I'm definitely scared that AI is going to be taking over from that.
00:27:16.000Like, if you, why would a company hire people to do it when they can just have an AI do it?
00:27:21.000And I think that also contributes to some of the apathy of our generation because people use AI, people use AI in school to do their homework, but then they also continue.
00:27:32.000So you asked the question about AI and is it contributing to the apathy?
00:27:37.000And it sounds like the answer is yes, but kind of in a backwards way because it's not that they're going one to one, well, AI is just going to take my job.
00:27:57.000But what's interesting about AI now is there's this new culture on the left, specifically, like, I mean, for a builder, for someone that wants to innovate, AI is truly the paintbrush to the artist, right?
00:28:10.000AI is something that's revolutionary for people.
00:28:13.000Like for myself, my chapter, we actually have a vibe coded AI website that we use for all of our meetings, for check ins, for different things.
00:28:21.000But the problem is now the left, They've come up with this idea that AI is evil, data centers are taking up our water, all these things.
00:28:29.000And now they're pushing forward don't use AI.
00:28:34.000But what are these people going to do?
00:28:35.000What are they going to do when the world changes and they don't change with it?
00:28:39.000And now the left, to counteract our new economy, is saying, oh, we're not going to use AI and we're going to sit around and take welfare checks because they're unwilling to use AI because it's immoral.
00:29:28.000We live in an age now where you can almost put, you can avoid any work.
00:29:35.000People use online gambling to try to make money.
00:29:38.000People use, you know, they use AI to do their work.
00:29:42.000They think that that's how they're going to get in life is, you know, pushing stuff off.
00:29:46.000But we live in an age where you have to have a why for something.
00:29:50.000And you have to explain that why because when you actually enjoy something, when you know the purpose of it, you're not going to pass it off, but you're going to take responsibility for it.
00:29:59.000And you're going to do it with your heart.
00:30:03.000So, like in a broad way, just taking this, the why, because I'm fascinated from a communication standpoint, right?
00:30:09.000Like we do a daily show and we're explaining things.
00:30:12.000And I'm realizing in this conversation that I'm taking certain presumed baseline facts and assumptions, I'm taking them for granted with your generation, right?
00:30:23.000So, if you were born in 2008, it's almost like, are you telling.
00:30:29.000Adults, that you need to reestablish the why in almost everything?
00:30:34.000Like, why do we care that, you know, housing's affordable?
00:30:38.000Or why do we care that, you know, the socialists don't take over in New York and Southern California?
00:30:43.000Like, why is it worth getting out of bed?
00:30:49.000Like, is that kind of what you're saying?
00:30:50.000Like, basic fundamental, like, you know, because I would have assumed, you know, some semblance of ambition could be assumed in most people.
00:31:47.000Maybe it's a searching for human connection off that because fame clicks that sort of thing.
00:31:53.000It's a sort of people want to connect, they want to have a group they can call their own and someplace they can call family among other people.
00:32:02.000And a lot of people are misguided in believing that being on social media often is going to provide that when it doesn't.
00:32:17.000I was just going to say, you have to take the step off of social media.
00:32:20.000Maybe social media is a great tool for connecting with people around you, but if that's all it is and you just stay sending reels back and forth and you never actually have a human interaction, you've gained virtually nothing.
00:32:31.000Social media is a good tool when you use it right.
00:32:34.000But we grew up in a way where, you know, my parents didn't have experience with social media, so I didn't have like an Instagram teacher who was like, use this responsibly.
00:32:57.000And it gives me a lot of motivation to keep moving forward.
00:32:59.000But I think my generation is missing that.
00:33:02.000Because we grew up in a way where we had no one educating us on how to have human connection when you can't see people face to face.
00:33:09.000There's been proposals lately in the US and other countries to essentially ban kids 16 or under or 18 and under from a lot of social media websites or heavily neuter what they're able to see and receive or cap a chin.
00:33:23.000Heavily regulate social media for people who are minors.
00:34:47.000I believe regulation should be in place, but you also need to teach how to responsibly use social media and how to put down the phone at times.
00:34:56.000I think that that's a big thing you need to teach them, put down the phone, go pursue other things.
00:35:01.000And when you're scrolling something, you need to ask yourself, Does this contribute to my life or is this contributing to human connection?
00:35:10.000I honestly don't scroll unless my friends are sending me stuff now.
00:35:15.000And it's a way that we can actually bond over stuff we see rather than just interacting with a computer algorithm.
00:35:24.000And Blake, to add on your point, I believe it was Australia that just did the regulation.
00:35:43.000Now, I think that's a question that we all have to ask ourselves how do we fix something that we didn't necessarily allow happen to us, but it just happened?
00:35:52.000How does my generation go about solving this issue now?
00:35:56.000Well, I think it's all about communication.
00:35:58.000I think we're kind of talking about this Pandora's box effect of taking away social media and these children just wanting it more.
00:36:06.000They crave, children innately crave what they don't have.
00:36:10.000When you put the cookie jar, they're going to reach, you know?
00:37:03.000And that is so important to define because you have to ask yourself, why are they doing this?
00:37:08.000And we see, like as Charlie used to say, we live in the most suicidal, perverse, depressed, drug addicted generation.
00:37:16.000So, we have major issues we have to solve.
00:37:19.000So, why are these social media companies?
00:37:21.000They're clearly profiting off something.
00:37:23.000And we're not paying a dime by downloading them.
00:37:26.000And I believe that they're profiting off our addiction through the algorithms, through the AI that goes through and it sees what you're interested in.
00:37:33.000And it makes it so hard that once you start scrolling, it makes it so hard to get off because you say, I want that extra sense of dopamine.
00:37:42.000And that just one more time turns into 10, 50, 100.
00:37:46.000And I think it just builds off itself and turns into a very harmful.
00:37:49.000I often talk about how our culture, and you've seen this a lot, we build up antibodies, but the Before you build up an antibody to something, you have to get sick with it first.
00:37:59.000And you're seeing this in some of this conspiracy nonsense around Charlie's assassination.
00:38:04.000It's almost like it took us 10 months and the preliminary hearing for the social media of it at all to sort of start fighting back for the truth.
00:38:14.000It's like, so, you know, what I hear you guys talking about with just social media in general, I thought that was a really good point you made that your parents didn't grow up with it.
00:38:22.000So they didn't know how to necessarily teach.
00:38:25.000The next generation that was social media natives, how to use it responsibly, and that that is a gap.
00:38:31.000Like, my parents taught me how to balance a checkbook, nobody's balancing checkbooks anymore.
00:38:35.000They don't, you know, it's like that was they might not know what a check exactly.
00:38:38.000You guys don't even know what a checkbook is, but it's just that's that's that's a really fascinating point.
00:38:43.000Like, how old are your guys's parents?
00:40:00.000I think that there's a sort of uh general movement, um, on Instagram, for example, social media, when we talk about people who are more extreme, groupers, people.
00:40:12.000Far right or leftist, Marxist, that sort of thing, really vitriolic, negative things are pushed.
00:40:20.000And whichever side that's from, that's what people typically see, I think.
00:40:24.000So I would say that for the most part, because the content that creates the most engagement is the most extreme, emotional, extreme, the one that creates the most visceral reaction, because that's what gets views and clicks, it's just the way it is.
00:40:39.000I would say mostly negative things, because to be honest, the positive things sometimes they may seem more tame than a Crazy accusation that's made.
00:40:47.000I mean, when conspiracy theories, like if Kenneth Owens makes a crazy claim, you know, that's going to get more views and more clicks because it's so outlandish.
00:40:58.000I had the honor of a lifetime to call Charlie a friend.
00:41:02.000And what I remember most wasn't just what people saw on stage, it was what was behind the scenes.
00:41:09.000That was an unwavering commitment to his faith, his love for his family, and his genuine desire to encourage others to live with courage and conviction.
00:41:18.000Charlie believed that following Christ wasn't something you compartmentalize.
00:41:22.000He didn't put it in a box, he lived it out loud.
00:41:24.000It shaped how he lived, how he served, how he treated people every single day.
00:41:29.000Charlie Kirk, American Martyr, captures that heart.
00:41:32.000This documentary isn't just simply about remembering Charlie, it's an invitation for each of us to ask what kind of legacy we're building and whether we're willing to stand firm in our own faith when it's tested.
00:41:44.000I hope that you'll watch it with your family and have those conversations together.
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00:42:04.000I would say, specifically, objectively false content, specifically around President Trump, is so high on Instagram specifically.
00:42:13.000So I have friends that do not love President Trump as much as I do, and they will send me reels all the time, and I will instantly go look it up and see if that's true.
00:42:20.000It's just Objectively, and it happened just uh, I would say specifically Trump with Epstein.
00:42:26.000Oh, yeah, that's maybe the number of people who do that.
00:42:29.000Tons of AI photos that people think are real, um, fake stories, fake documents from the Epstein files that say Trump was on the island.
00:42:37.000All the time, I see it, and my friends believe it, and it's awful.
00:42:41.000I think that that has contributed a lot.
00:44:08.000Uh, when Joe Biden was president, and all of a sudden it became this, like, you know, this driver, so that's what he was getting at.
00:44:14.000But yeah, I don't, he wasn't saying that Epstein in and of itself was a hoax.
00:44:18.000Well, and just like here, I think the meanings are misconstrued, so a lot of people don't realize that, and that's another issue because when there's not clarity, people run with what may not be true maybe it's true, maybe it isn't, they don't know, but people run with things, and that's gonna be difficult because I mean, right here,
00:44:32.000I think that's a perfect example of that.
00:44:33.000Like, I'm in the same boat now with that explanation, that makes sense, but a lot of people, especially those who are less engaged in politics, I don't think that they Consider that deeply, some of the stuff they hear.
00:44:45.000So they'll hear some crazy headline or something, and they'll internalize that and then just be like, okay, that's my politics for the day.
00:44:52.000We saw this with the video of Charlie at Aspen, right?
00:44:57.000You guys probably heard about that story where he was asked what the succession plan for Turning Point was.
00:45:03.000So then Erica had it as part of her intro video at Women's Leadership Summit.
00:45:08.000And then I said something along the lines of, we decided to troll the trolls, meaning, The trolls were like, Where's the video?
00:46:28.000And that brings up such an important point because I think where my generation gets their news from is social media.
00:46:34.000And I actually asked Shaw before I came out here, I said, weird question, but where did Charlie get his news from?
00:46:40.000Because I really wanted to get that information because to be honest, I don't know what to believe online anymore because the limit of entry to go on social media and post content.
00:47:08.000I read an article the other day that was about recently there's an incident with ICE where there was an illegal immigrant who was being arrested.
00:47:15.000He drove and tried to run over the ICE agent and was shot.
00:47:18.000And it was talking about how all of these headlines were talking about father of however many people who's been working in Houston for 35 years building homes is shot in a terrible incident.
00:47:31.000And then You read five paragraphs down, and at that point, they're like, Oh, he was trying to kill the guy.
00:47:36.000But the people who read the headlines or just read the first paragraph, they don't see that there's a huge felt need that I'm just like, um, I'm realizing of just like a full time.
00:47:49.000I'm not committing to us doing this, but like, there maybe we should of just like seeing the new like disinformation that like your generation, the tail end of Gen Z, by the way, we talk about Gen Z, you guys weren't there.
00:48:12.000Well, so, so, but the point is of seeing this stuff that you guys are getting fed, and then somebody basically doing videos of like, this is what the kids are seeing.
00:48:49.000We've got Candace and Shapiro, and it appears that way, at least.
00:48:53.000And so it's so difficult now for the conservative movement because there's so many people, and especially the younger generation, that are hearing this from them and hearing that from them.
00:49:05.000And now we have, A conservative movement that's completely divided.
00:49:11.000I would love to submit that some of those names you just mentioned are actually liberals, but that you think that they at least used to be associated on some level with conservatives.
00:49:24.000But, anyways, some of this is a little black pilling, and Charlie says we can't black pill.
00:49:29.000So, I know another culture I've seen that feels stronger among young men than it did in my own generation is there was at least a culture of.
00:49:38.000Maybe self improvement, like guys who get really into the gym, for example, yeah, yeah, really into that.
00:50:07.000But even without the one of them, it just came out, one of them died apparently because he was injecting mold into himself and he went and he.
00:50:13.000So, I think that goes back to this online culture that's unreal.
00:50:19.000It's a false reality, and these people are watching it sitting in their living room saying, Wow, I'd love to do that, but they have no ambition, they have no drive.
00:50:26.000And they're looking at this, and it just makes them feel sad.
00:50:30.000When you see someone like Clav, who is
00:50:33.000ungodly looking, and just like, I mean, his chin is like, it looks like a knife.
00:50:39.000When you see that, and you're sitting on your couch, Without purpose, without drive, you see that.
00:50:48.000And that's why we have these suicide rates, especially in young men.
00:50:53.000And people, this is where I think the beginning of the apathy came from when you first started having any type of social media, because it gave you an essence of somebody being in their real life.
00:51:08.000But actually, they're showing this glamorified version of their life.
00:51:14.000It's great being at this chapter leadership summit because I see some of these chapter presidents.
00:51:18.000I look at their chapters and they're huge.
00:51:20.000And I'm like, oh my gosh, I wish my chapter was like that.
00:51:22.000Then you meet them and you're like, We're honestly like the same type of person.
00:51:27.000And then I meet 20, 30 more chapter presidents for that one that have the exact same size chapter as me or less with the same struggles.
00:51:35.000And that's just what personally I'm experiencing here is like you honestly feel like you're with real people who have the same struggles as you.
00:51:43.000But when you have this social media where, you know, the person who is, you know, we talked about the extremes go viral.
00:51:53.000It's when they do something that is not average and people will.
00:51:57.000Will use things to make that artificially happen.
00:52:04.000And I think that's one of the biggest issues in our dating culture right now people's standards are so high because of what they see on the internet.
00:52:12.000People's standards for themselves, they don't try to pursue them because they're so atrociously high that they just seem unpursuable.
00:52:32.000Um, these people are synonymous with the same, like, it's the same circles.
00:52:36.000Like, if you look at clavicular, they're interacting with some of these people that are promoting these conspiracies, promoting all these different things.
00:52:49.000I think Gen Z has a fear of commitment, and because there's a fear of commitment to, let's say, religion, faith, having a relationship with God, for example, that absence, that hole in somebody's soul.
00:54:12.000And the reason why is so many people, I mean, so many people, will automatically default to, if they don't fully understand something, blame Israel.
00:54:24.000And I think it goes back to the meme culture, too.
00:54:27.000Like, the Israel memes are more than Charlie, more than Epstein.
00:54:31.000Like, they are all over the place, whether it's saying Israel owns Trump, whether it's saying this happened because of Israel, or whatever the case might be.
00:54:40.000It almost, people are defaulting to it now.
00:54:51.000And because it's being normalized, now it's into the way people think.
00:54:55.000And they see it online, and then it starts to influence their mind.
00:54:59.000And so it's like maybe they had no problem with Israel, but now they see all the memes and they start to believe the falseness and the whatever the case might be.
00:55:08.000Now they're like, oh, well, this business went bankrupt because of them, or whatever the case might be.
00:55:32.000However, we face some very key issues in our nation right now, and I think we need to focus domestically first before we get involved in foreign policy.
00:55:39.000And I think that's the biggest thing within my generation.
00:55:42.000It's because we've grown up in a society that needs help.
00:55:45.000And we get frustrated when we see help going to other nations when it's not being focused on us.
00:56:00.000Is there even a policy expression of this meme?
00:56:06.000Like, does this translate to any actual political demands, or is it almost that they blame the Jews or blame Israel the way you might otherwise blame, you know, gremlins or something?
00:56:18.000There are a lot of people who they'll joke about it and don't take it that seriously.
00:56:23.000But the jokes are so constant about Israel did this, Israel did that.
00:56:28.000Honestly, makes me start to think that maybe these people do believe that to a certain extent.
00:58:06.000And you pull this, and it's something like, Between 18 and 39, self described liberals, it's basically almost 30% believe that political violence is okay.
00:58:18.000So it's distinctly had a huge ramp up with young people that are progressive.
00:58:22.000And I'm concerned at how much it's ramping up in younger conservatives who are not truly anti Semitic.
00:59:19.000Something that's really misinformed right now is they're telling people that we're in Iran because of Israel.
00:59:26.000Like that's the big talking point right now when I will talk to them and point to so many other reasons why we're in Iran outside of Israel.
00:59:33.000And I take the Matt Walsh approach on the Israeli topic.
00:59:37.000I'm America first, and I think that we should aid our allies when they need aid, when it benefits us.
00:59:43.000But a lot of people feel ignored and then they go to the extreme.
00:59:49.000I think it's important to make a key differential here between Israel, the Israeli people, the Jewish people, and the Israeli government.
01:00:22.000Yeah, that, or, you know, last week, how there was the story of the United States and Iranian negotiators were coming to meet, and there was supposedly a plot to assassinate the Iranian negotiators.
01:00:33.000I don't know if that's necessarily been confirmed yet.
01:00:55.000I'm specifically talking about the Israeli government.
01:00:58.000And I think it's very important we make that differential.
01:01:00.000And by the way, I just want to underscore that's my position as well.
01:01:05.000And I think it's so critically important to this discussion.
01:01:07.000And I know this mattered a lot to Charlie.
01:01:09.000You are not anti Semitic if you have policy differences with Israel, if you want to see the war end, if you want us to stop giving them federal funds every year, right?
01:01:21.000There's basically an ongoing annuity of about $4 billion that we send to Israel.
01:01:26.000Which, yeah, in the whole scheme of the federal government is kind of a drop in the bucket, but it's still very symbolically important.
01:01:31.000You're not anti Semitic if you have questions about a lot of things, right?
01:01:35.000And I think that where this dialogue first broke down is that there was a jump by groups like the ADL and even some conservative Jewish people or allies of Israel to castigate everybody as anti Semitic that just had honest questions or had honest policy disagreements.
01:01:54.000And I just really, really want to make that clear that that is not okay, actually.
01:03:44.000For it's an angel, it's an angel, yeah.
01:03:47.000And like, yeah, in like 2016, like Trump 1.0, right?
01:03:50.000And a lot of these guys kind of got washed out of this, like, yeah, ideology, and now they're just like looking at it as kind of like low IQ sloth, yeah.
01:03:58.000And like, are you seeing any turn of the corner in this stuff at all yet?
01:04:04.000You know, I think that people are starting to um fade out.
01:04:07.000I think that, and this is probably a scary thing, that people are willing to say that Jews are all terrible people because of a trend, and now the trend's fading and they're not, yeah, which is terrifying.
01:04:18.000That's That is even scarier in itself that the trend is fading.
01:04:22.000So now people don't agree with it because these people are willing to say atrocious things just because they're sheep, just for a trend and just for a sheep.
01:04:30.000But it's also on the more pro Israel side.
01:04:33.000I mean, like the ideas that have been pushed forward that saying Christ is king is anti Semitic.
01:04:38.000I mean, it's going so far on both sides when truly in the conservative space, this is, you know, Nicholas Fuentes and this is Ben Shapiro.
01:05:11.000They've started to still try to insinuate the ideas, but then they are so scared to tell me where they heard it because if they say, well, I heard it from Candace Owens' clip.
01:05:38.000It's because you have guys like Ted Cruz and others that openly sort of say these things.
01:05:44.000And I don't, for the life of me, I don't understand why they say some of these stuff.
01:05:48.000But there's also truth on the other side that 0.02% of the world's population.
01:05:54.000Can't be responsible for every single ill either, right?
01:05:57.000Um, and so it's like, I wish we could have an adult conversation about this, but we're talking about social media and the kids, so um, you know, it's like the nuance is obviously lost.
01:06:08.000I'm to Blake's point, is this wish casting or do you see it kind of like normalizing?
01:06:11.000I see it anti Semitism normalizing, yeah, like, like, no, I mean, I'm dating because yeah, it's is it getting cringe and like, I think so.
01:06:19.000Because I think going back to the memes, I don't want to like keep talking about them, but like, the more brain rot it becomes, the more like, just.
01:06:35.000A common thread of everything we've talked about on social media, whether it be Israel or anything else, is that everything we're talking about is extremely low substance.
01:06:43.000There is no actual substantive argument to any of this.
01:06:56.000And the thing is, if we can convince our generation that your burden of proof to convince you of something needs to be a lot higher than that.
01:07:28.000So I think when I talk about we build antibodies to this, like you as young men that are going to be steeped in this and in this space, you have to remember that there is a burden of proof.
01:07:37.000I mean, our whole justice system is based around it.
01:07:40.000He's, you know, recklessly smearing people is a really gross thing to do.
01:07:43.000And that's basically what it sounds like the internet's become.
01:07:45.000So I don't know how much time we have left, but we probably have to get close to wrapping up soon.
01:07:55.000President Trump was gaining popularity.
01:07:57.000Then Epstein happened, Midnight Hammer happened, second Iran strikes happened, lost a lot of, you know, you could see it from the podcast, whether it's Joe Rogan, Theo Vaughn, or whatever, right?
01:08:07.000He lost some of this coalition that had supported him in 2024.
01:08:17.000I think what frustrates Americans so much right now is the economy.
01:08:22.000I'm not content with the current state of the economy, and polls show that the American people, specifically Gen Z, is not either.
01:08:29.000And I think if we end this war in Iran, we will see the economy trend in a positive direction immediately.
01:08:35.000I'm not saying everything will get better with a snap of a finger, but I think if President Trump goes in and ends this war before the midterms, I still think we can see success when it comes to our next.
01:08:47.000What about what I see with it is cultural.
01:08:51.000And I'm kind of bringing back to what you were just talking about, Charlie.
01:08:56.000So, to give some background for me, my dad was there the day Charlie passed.
01:09:01.000He's the head women's soccer coach at UBU.
01:09:04.000And there were some people that we knew in the audience that were accused of killing Charlie by Candace.
01:09:10.000And so, these conspiracies that are getting so far, I do think if we handle this properly, Some people are going to start awaking to these conspiracies and start saying, you know what?
01:09:52.000And I think if we push forward common sense, hopefully, and not, and when I say common sense, I don't think the best way to go forward is to say, you know what, the left is so crazy, let's go so far right.
01:10:03.000How about we break it down like Charlie did, get a little bit more common sense, and then we can hopefully defeat these people that are trying to push forward these absolutely insane rhetoric.
01:10:17.000And that cultural change will change everything.
01:10:20.000Culture is the epicenter of political life.
01:10:23.000I want to hear from the rest of you on.
01:10:24.000What can be done to reassemble the coalition, even in part?
01:10:28.000I think Henrik's point, I agree with a lot of that.
01:10:31.000I think it goes into something that Charlie really talked about, which was the renting culture.
01:10:35.000And I think that that's something that our generation, especially as we start to live on our own, that's something that we're really gonna face, right?
01:10:43.000So the average age of first time home ownership in America is now 41.
01:10:52.000Like I was talking to these guys earlier, like if you're renting a home and you ding a hole in the wall, you don't really care.
01:10:57.000It's not yours to deal with, it doesn't hurt your property value.
01:10:59.000But if you own a home, you wanna fix that hole in your wall, right?
01:11:04.000I think that that funnels all the way down to even voting, right?
01:11:07.000So if you own something, if you have a family, if you have things that really matter, you are going to be incentivized to participate in your culture.
01:11:16.000Whereas if you're not, you just don't really care.
01:11:47.000I'm able to know who I am and know that what will happen to me will be, in the long run, a part of a greater plan, something bigger than myself.
01:11:57.000For people who don't fully commit themselves to something greater than that, something metaphysical beyond what we are,
01:12:45.000You know, I mean, I don't want to see be done, Rogan.
01:12:47.000Well, you know, Gen Z, I think the common thread I've seen is people feel like there's promises that were made by the administration, whether it be Trump failing to release the Epstein files at first, right?
01:13:14.000I really do think it goes back to the economy and just.
01:13:16.000The quality of life because we were promised a good economy.
01:13:22.000Sorry, we were promised low gas prices, low groceries.
01:13:25.000And I think if things like that start turning up, I really do think it will turn up.
01:13:30.000So, when we talk about that, do you think there's an understanding just basic economics with Gen Z?
01:13:38.000For example, you had, let's just say for round number's sake, 25% inflation in four years under Joe Biden.
01:13:45.000You can't turn that around and turn that off.
01:13:48.000By the way, getting prices to drop back down in some categories is probably never going to happen.
01:13:55.000Is there a basic understanding about, or when you print all this money, that it actually inflates asset prices, but it makes people that don't own assets, i.e., homes, equities, things like that, it makes them poorer because it makes normal basic goods more expensive?
01:14:16.000And I think that the Trump administration, in almost all respects, are doing an incredible job and falling to a lot of promises.
01:14:26.000But the issue is, in our present day age and the way the algorithm works, we're allowing the left because they are on a 24 7, 365 days a year election cycle.
01:14:39.000They have been campaigning for 2028 since the day after the election in 2024.
01:14:46.000What we have to do is, like any bad habit, You don't defeat it by just erasing it, you replace it.
01:14:57.000I think it's not what Trump can do, it's how can we show people what Trump is doing currently?
01:15:03.000Because there are so many championed things that you don't see unless you're a TPUSA student and you're reading the articles and you're having the conversations with people who know what is going on and you're watching the right podcast.
01:15:19.000Students are just watching these base lists, and we know.
01:15:23.000The left doesn't have the IQ to have some of these intelligent conversations.
01:15:27.000They just want to put out this slop, as we call it, the internet slop.
01:15:32.000They want you to scroll and read that rather than actually knowing the truth.
01:15:36.000And if we could put on display the incredible things that Trump is doing in Gen Z language, like the Trump accounts, like those are incredible.
01:15:47.000Let's put those on display more in a language that Gen Z can understand, and they'll see all the incredible things and it will be replaced.
01:15:56.000And look, let's look at this from a wide perspective.
01:16:00.000Under President Trump, you know, very low unemployment rate.
01:16:04.000Stock market is doing extremely well right now.
01:16:07.000And I think the most important thing when we look into our future,
01:16:13.000economic development within the past year and a half has done exceedingly well.
01:16:18.000And that contributes towards our future.
01:16:20.000Now, the moment that I believe that this war is done in Iran, I think that'll have a positive impact on what I call the now economy, what we currently see.
01:16:30.000So, what President Trump needs to focus on is communicating to the American people that our top priority is getting this war in Iran over with.
01:16:39.000And I think that will really help support him with the independence and a lot of the Republicans who voted for him who are upset with some of the policies he's put in place because of that.
01:17:00.000And to see a red hat and all these young men, like basically being like, the other party is a bunch of weak ninnies, like, you know, Kamala, what are we going to do here?
01:17:19.000Yeah, for sure, at least sustaining it.
01:17:21.000But we were already talking about this with Charlie.
01:17:24.000Charlie was very keenly aware after Epstein and.
01:17:28.000Midnight Hammer, that there was some of the support was flagging, right?
01:17:31.000So, you know, I just, you're saying it's a messaging thing.
01:17:37.000You're saying it's getting it back into the jet stream.
01:17:40.000When two weeks before Charlie passed, I spoke to a leadership congress, and my speech was about the work he did and how that has won us 2024.
01:17:54.000And at the end of that speech, I said, the entire purpose.
01:17:58.000It is to keep hope for our generation, to keep fighting because the cause is going on.
01:18:03.000I did not realize the work God was doing in my life at that moment because two weeks later, when Charlie passed, it was a downstream effect that we started to lose this voice of unity and reason.
01:18:42.000And I think it's not following the clips of, you know, Charlie owning these very, very ignorant people.
01:18:50.000It's where he has the genuine conversations with the transgender student who is struggling with their identity and the person who's struggling with understanding why we're mistreating immigrants and the genuinely misinformed people.
01:19:07.000Who he just educated and had these important conversations.
01:19:10.000That's the movement, and that's why so many young men and young women followed him because he made you feel like you knew what was going on and he led you.
01:19:24.000And he had an authority with his voice, too, people.
01:19:27.000So the white pill for me here, listening to you guys, is that there is so much green space here for people to speak the truth, to tell the truth to a generation that's getting lied to.