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00:02:01.000A lot of people were sharing, you were passing around that clip where Charlie's saying for his birthday two years ago, What can people do for Charlie's birthday?
00:03:38.000There's a million things that you can do to honor Charlie, to be more like Charlie.
00:03:42.000But on October 14th, his words, not ours, Go vote and bring a friend, bring a family member, make a plan to vote, get it done.
00:03:50.000I actually am in favor, Blake, of making sure that this becomes sort of a drumbeat every election that we have a Charlie birthday on.
00:03:59.000That this is just a way that I want the grassroots to remember this day and to mark this day on the calendar and say, hey, this is a time where we can do something substantial, something definitive, something real, and participate in the civic process.
00:07:22.000It means you got to get your base out, you got to get your low props out.
00:07:25.000All right, so that's why on October 14th, you being the change maker, you being the difference maker, going and voting just like Blake did is all that counts.
00:07:35.000So you can make a model, you can make a graph, you can make a poll, but you can't make people vote.
00:07:40.000You can't make your base turn out and vote.
00:07:42.000And what we're seeing so far in early returns, I'm not going to.
00:08:05.000So thank you to all of you who remember Charlie.
00:08:06.000But as Andrew was saying, the best way you can remember Charlie is by making those small steps in your life that go with what he wanted.
00:08:14.000So on this day, when early voting is happening all across the country, you can honor Charlie by voting early.
00:08:21.000And on top of that, just think of the other ways while we're talking about honoring Charlie, the other ways you can do it.
00:08:27.000It's always make those small changes in your life because.
00:08:30.000The example Charlie set for everyone, the reason we're remembering him now and will continue to remember him for many years in the future is because Charlie is a person who he just delivered on all those little things that are all easy to do.
00:08:44.000They're all easy to do one at a time, but at the same time, that makes it so easy for us to be lazy, push them off another day.
00:09:00.000Reading a book every single day, reading something, learning something every day, trying to do a small thing to help someone every day, and honoring God.
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00:11:18.000There was a little bit of news yesterday.
00:11:19.000We have a new White House press secretary.
00:11:21.000It surprised a lot of people that she went out and did a press briefing, I guess within 24 hours of really being announced the press secretary.
00:11:33.000The reactions were divided, just put it that way.
00:11:35.000I actually found her very likable, very personable, very relatable.
00:11:39.000But what was your take, and did you like this move to have her out front so early?
00:11:44.000Yeah, look, this is probably one of the world's toughest jobs for anybody to walk into.
00:11:50.000It is especially tough when you're an outsider walking in midterm into an incumbent president's term.
00:12:31.000No, I was just thinking it's like it's a position almost nobody can understand.
00:12:36.000It's an incredibly, I guess, a lot of places have press flacks, but this is basically the only press flack in America who everything they say will be incredibly heavily scrutinized.
00:12:48.000Just get us inside the head of a press secretary.
00:12:54.000What are things we might not think about that you need to be thinking about as a press secretary?
00:12:58.000Well, what's really going on inside the head is it's exploding.
00:13:01.000I mean, there's just so much that you have to be ready for.
00:13:05.000Typically, at a briefing, they last 30 to 45 minutes, at least when I was press secretary.
00:13:10.000You would take 20 to 25 different topics.
00:13:13.000You know, if there was a crisis, it was my easiest briefing because I knew all the questions were going to be on one topic.
00:13:18.000If it's a slow news day, I could get questions on Medicare, Social Security, the situation in the Balkans, relations with China, tariffs with Canada, the president's health.
00:13:29.000I mean, Everything all across the board.
00:13:34.000Otherwise, you're constantly saying, Let me get back to you.
00:13:36.000And I hate it to say, Let me get back to you.
00:13:39.000So it requires a learning curve, it requires a runway.1.00
00:13:42.000Here's my advice to the new press secretary what she needs to do is, as soon as she's done with this first trip, stop traveling and start learning all the hot buttons around the world and in the American government.1.00
00:13:58.000She needs to sit down twice a day for an hour a day, morning and afternoon.0.92
00:14:03.000With the top experts at the White House and the National Security Council to go hotspot by hotspot around the economy, around the world, around everything important to the Trump White House.
00:14:14.000She needs to be in the meetings with the president when she's not doing that, and she should not yet be briefing.
00:14:19.000She needs to have a proper runway to get up to speed so she can take off and do well.0.99
00:16:17.000But I didn't know anything about foreign policy.
00:16:19.000So I spent the first two months of my time there getting briefings from the National Security Council staff, hotspot by hotspot around the world.
00:16:28.000They told me when it came to China, I could say the government on Taiwan.
00:16:33.000But if I said the government of Taiwan, it would start an international incident with China.
00:16:40.000It's that little type of nuance that you've got to get right when you're the press secretary.
00:16:45.000And you only do that by taking your time, learning before you speak.
00:16:50.000So get off the road from the president.
00:17:06.000Mike McCurry, when he became the State Department spokesman, he didn't brief for months until he was ready to learn foreign policy at the State Department prior to him becoming White House press secretary.
00:17:17.000And I didn't take any foreign policy questions for the first couple months when I was press secretary.
00:17:22.000I had my deputy who was in charge of the National Security Council press take those questions because I wasn't ready and I wasn't going to make an error.
00:17:31.000Only after I got comfortable and ready a couple months into it did I take foreign policy questions.
00:17:44.000So she started with Breitbart, then she went to Fox, then she went to the Daily Mail.
00:17:50.000Do you think that that was a scripted one, two, three, or is that not really?
00:17:55.000Appropriate in that setting to sort of, you know, I guess, script out your first couple questions because obviously we know that she came loaded with news on Kimberly Guilfoyle's, you know, that they were asking for the resignation.
00:18:08.000As a matter of fact, I'll play that clip just to make sure we have it.
00:20:26.000And that's huge because there are many times you're going to have to go to the staff and you have to know which staff is going to give you a full, accurate, in-context answer, not the answer they want you to give on TV because there might be something missing from that answer.
00:20:38.000Or there might be a feud between two staffers and one's giving you their point of view.
00:20:42.000So a good press secretary has got to surf through that.
00:20:47.000It's hard to do coming in from the outside.
00:20:49.000Don't tell them unless you know the players.
00:20:52.000Well, I thought it was interesting, Ari, that I got so many press people calling me because I was running press at Turning Point for a long time.
00:20:57.000So they were calling me and they were telling me precisely Caroline was very good behind the scenes with other press as well, helping them out.
00:21:08.000How about the two 30 year old women who were murdered by an illegal migrant in my county?
00:21:18.000What do you say to all those people? Who have had their children hooked on drugs by illegal migrants bringing fentanyl, cocaine, and heroin into our communities.
00:21:28.000We have an epidemic of crime from these illegal migrants.0.99
00:21:32.00016,000 detainers are out there for people who committed 52,000 crimes in our state, and you won't let local law enforcement cooperate with ICE to pick them up and get out of this state.1.00
00:22:31.000This is one of those cycles, Andrew, where the most important message is to define your opponent and make sure the American people, the people, your state see them as a radical.
00:22:40.000And because of the rise of socialism in the Democratic Party and the whole progressive swing of the Democrat Party, what used to be a liberal that was unacceptable is now a progressive or a socialist that's even more unacceptable.
00:22:52.000You've got to define them because it's a very tough, choppy sea for a Republicans this cycle.
00:22:57.000If the race is about Republicans, if the race is about President Trump, other than the reddest or red states, it's going to be really tough.
00:23:05.000So you've got to be aggressive, define your opponent, and make the race about your opponent.
00:23:10.000And there's a lot of meat to work with for the good candidates who can do that.
00:23:14.000I think that's a perfect answer, though.
00:23:16.000I would tell you, David Marcus over at Fox, I was messaging with him, and he said he's not seeing the doom and gloom on the ground.
00:24:21.000John Ossoff, his number one donor, one of his largest donors is Reed Hoffman.
00:24:27.000The same guy that's in the Epstein files, the same guy that sent ice cream to Jeffrey Epstein on his birthday and said, This is for the girls.
00:24:39.000John, the call's coming from inside the house.
00:24:42.000Epstein class that you're talking about.
00:25:45.000He acts as if he would be somebody who could write you a prescription.
00:25:48.000It'd be a crime if he wrote your prescription.
00:25:50.000Mike Rogers has pressed that case, undermining Abdul's narrative and authority in a race that otherwise Abdul wants to run, just on the basis of President Trump.
00:26:03.000And I'm working on that race, I should disclose.
00:26:05.000But that's a perfect example of someone making the opponent the issue rather than where the Democrats want to make the case, which is to make President Trump the issue in a midterm election.
00:26:37.000Republicans took the House, but took it by very small margins.
00:26:40.000Republicans have a real chance here to cut down the Democratic wave, cut down the margins, because the Democrats have served up candidates who are just so out of tune with the mainstream of America.
00:26:53.000We're looking at New York, we're looking at Minnesota.
00:26:55.000An advantage we have that's really developing.
00:26:59.000It just seems like you can be mad at Trump in the abstract, but if you're in these blue states that aren't 100% totally captured yet, like the failure of blue governance is just so stark and extreme.
00:27:12.000Everyone's moving out of blue states and they're moving to red states.
00:27:17.000Blue states only sustain themselves with international immigration.0.65
00:27:21.000And it's just, we haven't had that pattern in this level of starkness before in history that I know of.
00:27:27.000It's just, if you're in Minnesota, you know your state is in decline and you know it's not Donald Trump's fault.
00:27:32.000You know, it's because of the Democrats who've been running it.
00:27:35.000And maybe that'll get us some wins that you wouldn't expect.
00:27:38.000Yeah, I think Minnesota is one to keep your eye on election night.
00:27:41.000I think New Hampshire is another one to keep your eye on for a Senate race on election night.
00:27:44.000That's a purple state that's gone blue in the Senate for quite a long time, has a potential now to have a Republican senator.
00:27:52.000Michigan, of course, hasn't had a Republican senator since 1996.
00:28:14.000The 2032 presidential election is going to be an election held in which some 10 to 15 electoral votes have shifted out of the Democratic category to the Republican category because of that external migration you just referred to.
00:28:28.000The Democrats have their last best shot coming up in 2028 before the tidal wave of migration basically creates a whole new battleground state that the Republicans have already won before the election started because of population shifts.
00:28:43.000That's why the 26 election, 28 election, setting up the census are huge and it's important for Republicans to turn out.
00:28:50.000And then the tide really turns in a Republican favor.
00:28:53.000No one knows who the candidates will be, but America has shifted big time.
00:28:58.000And I like to look longer, have a longer horizon look.
00:29:01.000Yes, we should look at the media election, but the horizon is really bright for Republicans.
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00:31:00.000I am holding it down on the East Coast, which is something I normally leave for our next guest, Jack Pasobic.
00:31:07.000We're going to have him on because, well, he's just a great guest in general, but his second edition of Unhumans, the New York Times bestseller, is out.
00:31:16.000Book he wrote alongside Joshua Lysik, The Socialist Revolution Tactics for Patriots to Survive a Communist Uprising, and it has.
00:31:49.000Well, it's great to be here, of course, on Charlie's birthday.
00:31:53.000And the fact that it is Charlie's birthday without Charlie shows us what the stakes are and shows us how serious this has gotten in our country, where we now live in a time where these same forces that. would have led to the entire country at least banding together and saying that we're against political violence and taking actual serious stands to make strides against that.
00:32:15.000We live in a country now where millions of people celebrated Charlie's murder.
00:32:20.000We live in a country where millions of people call for President Trump to be killed every single day.
00:32:25.000We live in a country where people, thousands at least, of people celebrated Lindsey Clancy and said that she was some positive, you know, or a victim, I should say.
00:32:35.000She was a victim and she was like a hero and they raised tons of money for her on goFundMe.
00:32:41.000And so we live in a time where, unfortunately, the unhuman activity has gotten so much worse.
00:32:47.000And we made for the cover here, we, of course, put the Statue of Liberty, has now been transformed to the Statue of Tyranny.
00:32:55.000And we're doing so to explain that New York City has fallen to this kind of communism.
00:33:00.000Washington, D.C. will be next when Janelle George becomes the mayoress of D.C. here in, I think, January.
00:33:08.000They've got the DA, Larry Krasner, Soros DA, up in Philadelphia, who's letting violent criminals out who are now.
00:33:14.000Setting ambushes for white police officers and said that he would only kill them if they were white.
00:33:20.000And so, unfortunately, the situation has gotten far, far worse than it was two years ago.
00:33:26.000And unfortunately, there's still so much that we need to do to fight back.
00:33:31.000So, that's why we're putting out this new updated edition.
00:33:33.000We're honored to have the president come out and endorse it.0.61
00:33:39.000And really, you know, what happened to Charlie, I think, forms a sort of moral backbone for the book in the sense that people now understand.
00:33:47.000What the stakes actually are, because when we wrote on Humans, One keep in mind that was 10 days, that would so that came out on july 4th of 2024.
00:33:55.000That was 10 days before the Butler, Pennsylvania attempted assassination of president Trump.
00:34:01.000That was months before the september I think august excuse me the august?
00:34:07.000September attack at Uh Trump International West Palm Beach, before the december shooting of Luigi Maggione going after the United Healthcare ceo, and then, of course, about a year before, the murder of our dear friend.
00:34:19.000And so people need to understand that the stakes are very, very high.
00:34:23.000And when you've got socialist candidates running around playing footsie with this extreme form of violence, people have to know that it gets really, real, really fast.
00:34:33.000We had this, I don't know if you guys played the clip yet, but there's that candidate running for county commissioner or something out in Indiana where she just comes out and says, I'm going to fire the Republicans.
00:34:42.000And if they get in my way, we're going to use the guns.
00:35:05.000Grace, I saw, yeah, I forget her last name.
00:35:08.000But, anyways, so she basically says the American dream is dead.
00:35:13.000And then this congresswoman next to me, Democrat congresswoman, actually, I think from your home area in Pennsylvania, is asked, you know, what are you going to do with this DSA insurgency?
00:35:25.000And she said, well, we're getting welcome.
00:36:24.000And the reason that I gave the book that title, and I guess maybe like a series now, because we've got book two, the book 2.0, that it this is a tactic that they use for their political opponents.
00:37:08.000And this is what they do to their political opponents anywhere around the world.
00:37:13.000And by the way, I can point this out because just a simple example that I can point to in modern times where a couple of years ago, and Blake, you'll remember this, that when big tech was in so much power under the Biden years that you could be banned on the internet for almost saying, and you could be denied the 2020 election, you could be banned.
00:37:31.000If you misgendered someone, you could be banned or locked online.
00:37:34.000But Democrats in the left were never banned for their favorite word for Trump supporters.
00:37:38.000And their favorite word for Trump supporters.
00:37:50.000And look, I'm not someone who believes in censorship, but I do point this out that that is their favorite phrase and they never faced repercussions for it from any single one of the tech platforms.
00:38:02.000And so what we put out in terms of our thesis is that's exactly how they view conservatives, Christians, right wingers.
00:38:11.000White, Christian, heterosexual males in society today, and really just anyone who has the ability to go out and build things without partaking in grievance culture.
00:38:43.000Well, and the reason that they weren't able to get it done was because there was a guy named Jack Posobick in a show called Human Events that completely exposed Nina Jankowicz and her insane musical stylings.
00:38:55.000I said maybe she should go back to her.0.63
00:38:57.000She called herself the Moaning Myrtles, and she had this Harry Potter esque, Blake, you remember.
00:39:03.000We've talked about her on Thought Crime.
00:39:05.000This, like, Harry Potter tribute band kind of thing.
00:39:11.000Yeah, well, no, that wasn't part of the band.
00:39:13.000That was, like, her later thing that she was doing for disinformation.
00:39:17.000And she had always been sort of a perennial kind of foe of myself and others online.
00:39:22.000And the minute that I saw that she was getting anywhere near, and keep in mind, though, how serious this was, and I thank you, Danny, for bringing that up, because the minute I saw her getting close to government, remember, they wanted to put her in DHS.
00:39:33.000The Disinformation Governments Board was going to be part of Homeland Security, which has a law enforcement capability.
00:40:30.000We have Tyler Boyer, who is, you know, we give him a lot of credit on this show, but candidly, he doesn't get enough credit.
00:40:39.000He's truly one of the architects of the grassroots revolution on the right.
00:40:45.000We took the best plays from the playbook out of the left, put them together in a conservative model to chase ballots, chase votes in states like Arizona, Nevada, New Hampshire.
00:40:56.000A lot of people, Citizens Alliance is.
00:40:58.000Taking that and running with it in states like Pennsylvania.
00:41:27.000Actually, there were some warnings that were put into place from.
00:41:31.000The recorder here in Maricopa County, who's a good guy, Justin Heap, who said, USPS is going to be behind.
00:41:38.000And USPS came out and said, no, we're good.
00:41:41.000And as of yesterday, our hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of ballot chasers were out and people still hadn't received ballots in Maricopa County.
00:42:03.000Historically, for Democrats, Democrats usually do really, really well in the first handful of ballot drops with the earlier vote.
00:42:12.000Republicans are seemingly showing up both in person and then also by mail.
00:42:19.000So keep in mind, too, Republicans show up generally in larger percentages for the in person voting as it continues to progress throughout the election cycle.
00:42:35.000Yeah, there are two different types of votes that are being cast right now by mail and then early in person.
00:42:41.000The early in person data hasn't actually been totally released, particularly in Maricopa County.
00:42:47.000I actually was on the phone with some elections officials yesterday about that, hopefully, see how those numbers propel Republican numbers.
00:42:56.000But where we're at today in Arizona is we're single digits behind the Democrats on returns, which is a good initial spot to be in.
00:43:06.000But have some significant catch up to do because we want to get out ahead of the Democrats in the early votes as much as humanly possible.
00:43:14.000So, Blake, I know you've been thinking about this as well, but one of the questions that is outstanding is Did Republicans change their voting habits in 2024?
00:43:25.000Meaning, we're seeing early vote returns that are promising in a lot of states, right?
00:43:30.000You see on X, formerly known as Twitter, people are saying, Hey, the Blue Nami's not materializing.
00:43:47.000Not to cut off Blake on this, but there are some ways to know, and that is by looking at the low propensity turnout.
00:43:53.000So the one thing I can speak to, I can't speak to all the states, but what I can speak to is where we are, is we're seeing 20, 30% numbers of those initial Republican ballots that are being cast as low propensity Republicans, which is people who just in general are hard to turn out.0.98
00:44:13.000So, I mean, I could speak to, again, New Hampshire, again, has a very tiny absentee early vote population, but 30% of those are low propensity Republicans.
00:44:30.000And those are the people that we're chasing in New Hampshire.
00:44:32.000In Arizona today, as we stand today, just about 20%, just shy of 20% of all of the first votes that have been cast, the early votes that have been cast by Republicans, are low propensity Republicans.
00:44:44.000So, again, historically, Republicans actually had done far worse with low propensity Republicans.
00:44:50.000We focused on that heavily here at Turning Point Action.
00:44:54.000We want to keep that number as high as possible because, again, if you turn out in a midterm 5%, 6% more Republican based that are low propensity, you win elections.
00:45:06.000So, right now, where we stand today in Arizona, New Hampshire, a few others, Nevada, we're looking at huge percentages of these first votes being low propensity Republicans.
00:45:24.000Of course, I guess the other question is are we sure these people are voting the way we're hoping them to?
00:45:29.000Because there are obviously some disaffected Republicans out there.
00:45:34.000And so you can't always rely on the party dynamic.
00:45:37.000Yeah, but the one thing I would point out, Blake, is that typically low propensity voters that are disaffected are not the first ones to vote.
00:45:45.000So typically, I mean, you may have a percentage of those people that are disaffected, but the people who are least likely to vote.
00:45:52.000Are not the ones that are like bounding for the box.
00:45:57.000Now, of course, there could be people that are just generally totally ticked off.
00:46:00.000But again, the people that we're looking at, particularly the people that we're chasing in Arizona, New Hampshire, Nevada, again, win, lose, or draw, we're trying to turn out more of those low propensity voters.
00:46:12.000We're talking to them, we're building relationships with them, engaging with them.
00:46:17.000Most people that are low propensity are not anti people.
00:46:56.000You could lose the middle, the normies that maybe don't show up, but if you turn your base out, we can still defy a lot of odds and beat back some of these headwinds in the midterms.
00:47:37.000So, here in Arizona, We have today the president actually visiting in Mojave County, which is a more rural county that's just right outside of Las Vegas in the northwestern part of the state.
00:47:50.000But that actually is a place that has the most pro Trump voter in Arizona, period.
00:47:58.000And number two, the highest contingency of people who just don't show up to vote.
00:48:02.000So the smart play and the smart tactic is to have Trump, the president, go to those places.
00:48:32.000Tyler and the team are going to take care of you.
00:48:33.000They'll put you up in a hotel, and you get to chase 100 ballots of those low props we've just been talking about.
00:48:39.000Tyler Boyer, we're going to keep checking in with you a lot as the weeks go on here towards November.
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00:49:56.000What he does is he gets into these cells, these far left radical cells, and exposes them for what they are and tells a bunch of stories that you will not believe in the process.
00:50:44.000You know, I've covered a lot of very ugly, violent incidents in my reporting on Antifa in the last decade, and unfortunately, I've been a victim.
00:50:54.000Of violence in the course of that reporting.1.00
00:50:57.000However, I was quite unprepared for the disturbing things I found in my investigation into the Zizians.1.00
00:51:06.000So you and your audience are aware of my reporting on Antifa.1.00
00:51:12.000And six, seven years ago, I started noticing at that time that disproportionately the number of people who were being arrested at these riots in Portland, where I used to live, and other cities are trans-identifying in some way.
00:51:27.000So at that point, there was a question mark in the back of my mind.
00:51:31.000would be up to 15 to 20 percent of suspects who were trans.
00:51:35.000And that's up to 40 times higher than the upper end estimates of the trans population in the United States.
00:51:41.000And then when I was beaten severely in 2019 and again in 2021, nearly killed, I eventually found out the identities of people who I alleged were part of the perpetrators.0.54
00:51:56.000And half of them are trans identifying.0.94
00:52:01.000To a wider issue in the last five years, I'm sure many of you have noticed that there have been a number of atrocities and mass shootings and acts of mass violence by individuals who are trans identifying.
00:52:14.000So that's the context of the beginnings of what eventually led my research into this 100,000 word book.
00:52:26.000A year and a half ago, on Inauguration Day in Vermont, near the Canadian border, a U.S. Border Patrol agent was shot dead.
00:52:34.000And because of all the activities that were happening in DC with the return of President Trump to office, this got very little attention.
00:52:44.000So when the names of the two alleged suspects were released in that ambush shooting attack, I looked further because unfortunately, you cannot rely on media to be accurate when it comes to names, sex of suspects nowadays.
00:53:03.000We've seen law enforcement agencies, for example, release the trans name of a suspect or refer to A male killer as a woman and she and her.
00:53:12.000So when I started digging further, I found out that the two of them both identify as trans, and that's unusual.
00:53:20.000And I digged a little bit further and I found out, oh, one of them had applied to be married to this person in California who was just arrested for a murder, and that person also identifies as all genders.
00:53:33.000And I kept digging and digging and I found out, wait, there appears to be a cult like group who's linked.
00:53:40.000To killings all over the US that happened over a number of years, and they were just treated as local homicide cases rather than part of a larger story.
00:53:51.000I've been in exile for a number of years because of the violence against me by Antifa.0.99
00:53:56.000And I traveled to locations where the Zizians had lived.0.88
00:54:00.000And what I found and uncovered was that the biggest story here is not just a story of murders and suicides and human experimentation and trans radicalism and AI doomerism.0.99
00:54:14.000In many ways, the institutions in California and in other jurisdictions completely failed to hold the Zizians accountable.0.97
00:54:22.000They were able to fake their deaths and move from jurisdiction to jurisdiction.0.99
00:54:26.000There were warrants in this in California that weren't picked up in another place.
00:54:31.000And they were able, through a number of years, to carry out their activities.
00:54:35.000And in the end, eight people are dead.
00:54:38.000Some of them were killed in extremely violent and brutal ways that I won't be able to share on your show.
00:54:47.000This book is the uncensored truth, the true story of the Zizians.1.00
00:54:52.000Investigating it really nearly broke me because the depth of the depravity of what I've uncovered really shook me and has challenged me.1.00
00:55:03.000However, I really feel that I have an obligation to try to pursue justice for the families, who to this day, by the way, there has still not been a single conviction.
00:55:14.000So, Andy, it's obviously very ghoulish and weird that they have, yeah.1.00
00:55:19.000So many trans people in this group, and the press won't report to them accurately as a result.1.00
00:55:25.000But from your study, do you think this isn't just a coincidence, like they happen to know each other?
00:55:30.000Do you think there's something particular to what you might call the online trans ideology that makes people more vulnerable to getting sucked into a group like this and more vulnerable, frankly, to embracing radical violence as a solution to problems as they consider them?0.82
00:55:50.000Because we've also seen transgender mass shooters.0.64
00:55:53.000Obviously, Tyler Robinson seems to have been in a relationship with someone who was linked to trans stuff.
00:55:59.000Do you think that the trans ideology clearly is sort of an essential part of this story?0.92
00:56:06.000So, my book is not just a true crime investigation into the Zizians, it also examines how they fit into a broader pattern of growing trans violence.0.95
00:56:17.000Now, I detail all the cases that have happened in the last few years involving trans.0.99
00:56:24.000Killers and, and even for many people on the right, they're not aware of many of these incidents.0.65
00:56:28.000It just doesn't really get the media coverage and sometimes it's difficult to even find out that these individuals are trans, because it's hidden by the courts, it's hidden by law enforcement and it's not reported on.
00:56:41.000So, even though the Zizians represent a extreme, infringed example of extremist ideology manifesting into deadly violence, there is this broader pattern that unfortunately, all of us here are aware of.
00:57:02.000I dig into some of the research literature on transgenderism and cross-sex hormones and various mental health comorbidities.
00:57:11.000And even though there's not a lot of research that's been performed, the limited ones that have been done and have been peer reviewed do show that amongst those who are on cross-sex hormone therapy, both male and biological female, by the way, report higher rates of aggression.
00:57:31.000There's a lot of academic literature documenting the higher rates as well of various mental health issues, higher rates of autism.0.70
00:57:41.000I think when you factor in all of these variables, in addition, crucially, and this is what the Zizians, what was emblematic of their ideology, the grievance ideology, the wound collecting, how every type of interaction with family members, with friends, with society, with the state is recast into instances of abuse.
00:58:04.000systemic abuse to the point now where they say we are victims of a trans genocide.0.82
00:58:09.000And some of the Zizian members said this in their own writings, encouraged one another to take up firearms.
00:58:16.000I'm speaking to you, by the way, just as last week a man in Seattle who identifies as trans was federally charged as being an alleged co-conspirator to the Tumblr Ridge trans mass shooting that happened in British Columbia back in February, in which A man who identifies as trans carried out the slaughter of women and children, eight of them, in a small community in BC.
00:58:42.000And you know how the Canadian authorities reported that at the time?
00:58:47.000The official ones, law enforcement.0.80
00:58:48.000They described the killer as a female in a dress with brown hair.
00:58:56.000And with some of the criminal complaints that have come out from American federal authorities in that case involving the alleged American suspect who helped, we see the weapons that were used in the killings.
00:59:08.000And with the various guns, the trans pride symbols were decorated on the weapons.0.64
00:59:12.000So, these people were literally slaughtered by the barrel of trans pride.0.75
00:59:17.000And Canadians don't know this, and very few Americans know this.0.98
00:59:20.000Man, I have so many questions about what the Zizians believe and what they think.0.99
00:59:27.000Andy No joins us his new book, Zizians Inside a Trans Death Cult, which is, like I said, the title is incredible.1.00
00:59:37.000It's real, though, and we need to get serious about this.0.56
00:59:40.000And, you know, I didn't plan this out.
00:59:44.000Andy, that you'd be on on Charlie's what would have been his 33rd birthday, but it feels important.
00:59:51.000We're joined by Andy No, investigative journalist who knows the Antifa, I guess, death cult, but now the Trantifa death cult extremely well.
01:00:04.000He has personal experience with it.1.00
01:00:06.000It's an important story because this is an underground but increasingly violent Doomer group.0.98
01:00:16.000You describe this trans death cult like a Manson family like trans death cult led by a guy named Jack Lesota.
01:00:24.000Who is Jack Lesota and what do they believe?
01:00:27.000Is it actually, do they consider themselves part of some community like an actual cult, Andy?
01:00:34.000They, of course, wouldn't use the word cult to describe themselves, but all the things that they did and the writings they left behind indicate that they were and they are.0.92
01:00:43.000There are lots of parallels that can be drawn between Jack Lesota, the Zizine's leader. and Charles Manson.
01:00:50.000Both of them, for separate reasons, moved to the Bay Area and got their start in California and joined various subculture movements there.0.83
01:01:01.000Jack Lesotho is originally from Fairbanks, Alaska, and like the other would-be Zizine members, comes from very good academic pedigree background.0.97
01:01:12.000He was accepted into the very competitive engineering program at University of Illinois Urbana-Champaign, and that's where he was studying.1.00
01:01:22.000Solar expulsions from the sun, and even had some of his research published.
01:01:28.000Some of the other associations that the Zizian members that he would later meet had included working for Google, going to the University of Oxford, UC Berkeley, nearly perfect SAT scores before they went to very good universities, working in quantum trading, making half a million dollars a year to bankroll their activities.
01:01:51.000So when Ziz moved to the Bay Area nearly a decade ago, It was to join the communities that were debating rationalism and effective altruism.
01:02:00.000We're hearing a lot about effective altruism, also known as EA, now because a number of former engineers who worked at Anthropic and OpenAI are talking about the risk that AI poses to humanity and the world.
01:02:16.000But many years ago, a number of young people moved to the barrier to join the various groups there to have these type of debates.
01:02:24.000They really do believe in an apocalyptic.
01:02:27.000Vision of what a super intelligent AI can do.
01:02:31.000Ziz, as he eventually became known, thought that there wasn't enough being done by the mainstream institutions.
01:02:40.000I saw during the breaks that we were watching a clip of Charlie Kirk talking with Bill Maher about atheism and Christianity.0.57
01:02:48.000Well, the Scythians were atheistic, and they rejected concepts and values from Christianity involving the value of human life.
01:02:57.000So as staunch vegans, he believed, for example, that anybody who consumes meat was evil and worthy of death.
01:03:06.000So part of the recruitment process for the cult was that first, the potential recruit had to be vegan.
01:03:14.000And second, if that individual happened to be transgender, that was a plus.
01:03:18.000They believed that transgender women were gifted with special cognitive abilities and that together they could form this group that would become a trans vanguard of those who would save the world.0.89
01:03:34.000But those worthy of being saved aren't humans.
01:03:37.000In their eyes, it was animals, it was shrimps, it was insects.
01:03:41.000They viewed those lives As equal to human life, which, if the accusations against them are true, may explain why they had no hesitation to murder people in really brutal, violent, depraved ways.
01:04:08.000So some of them will say, rather than give money to a charitable cause for humans you believe in, they would say, Build a shrimp farm to raise large numbers of shrimp because you are creating more conscious experience of the universe.
01:04:23.000This is a subculture that's out there.
01:04:25.000And so, Andy, as we approach the end here, do we need to worry about the fact that these people grew out of this rationalist community and a lot of people in the same community are at the commanding heights of the global economy right now?
01:04:40.000Do you think we need to worry about that at all?
01:04:42.000Do we need to educate ourselves on that?
01:04:45.000It's important to caveat that not all rationalists or Effective altruists are extreme or radical.
01:04:52.000There is a segment within them, though, that are because a lot of the people in those communities are one, highly intelligent, two, on the spectrum, three, have money, and four, a lot of time to think about various ideas.
01:05:06.000And there's no limits to what questions are debated and what paths of thinking are allowed to go down.
01:05:15.000And so there is a small faction within that that has led to some radicals.0.70
01:05:22.000the Zizians being the most prominent example.0.85
01:05:26.000And I think for those who may be confused, the Zizians and many EA and rationalist people, they think of life as sort of algorithms and even themselves.
01:05:38.000They come up with very complicated mathematical models for, quote unquote, maximizing good.
01:05:45.000And so for the Zizians, you can think of it in one way.1.00
01:05:52.000One person or two people or ten people or a hundred or a thousand, if it means saving millions of lives or prawn or insect or animals that are in the wild, these are this was the value system that the Zizings had, and it kind of shows you sort of the um amorality, the literal amorality that rises when traditional religious worldviews are removed.0.64
01:06:20.000The point you're making, I think a lot of us have been scratching our heads when you look at.
01:06:24.000The Annunciation Catholic Church school shooting, right?
01:06:28.000The Tumblr Ridge Secondary School shooting in British Columbia that you mentioned before.
01:06:32.000The Pawtucket Hockey Arena shooting.0.85
01:06:35.000It was just trans shooting after trans shooting after trans shooting, and all of us start going collectively, What the hell is going on?0.89
01:06:42.000And why is there this murderous element to it?0.82
01:06:46.000It also makes me think of the recent AI Doomer story where everybody had to go meet at the White House.
01:06:52.000These stories are not disconnected, they're interrelated because some of these same ideologies coming out of the Bay Area, which, you know, shocker, are flowing through both of these movements.
01:07:06.000Um, you know, maybe just sum that up and codify those connections and tell us where we can get your book.
01:07:12.000As part of my research, I went to Nashville where I visited the Covenant School and Presbyterian Church, where Audrey Hale, trans shooter, murdered children and school administrators several years ago.
01:07:25.000Audrey Hale left behind a manifesto, journal, and also the Annunciation Minneapolis church shooter did as well.
01:07:34.000And a common theme in that, as well as the writings of the Zizians, is they.1.00
01:07:39.000Could not accept the biological reality of what they are.1.00
01:07:43.000And so I think when lies are indulged and encouraged and legitimized by wider society, amongst some individuals, you will see atrocities as we have seen.
01:07:55.000My book is available now for order wherever books are sold.