00:00:01.000I am pleased to share with you an exclusive conversation with my friend, Pastor Jack Kibbs, which is from a special that we did with TBN Trinity Broadcasting Network.
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00:00:58.000We will not embrace the ideas that have destroyed countries, destroyed lives, and we are going to fight for freedom on campuses across the country.
00:02:32.000When we speak the truth coming from a place of love, Charlie, then the arguments that we heard today, the experiences that we heard today, these are things that the world, the unbelieving world, needs to see.
00:02:43.000That Christians are not knuckle-dragging crazies, that they are, in fact, people who know truth.
00:02:49.000And they may not like what we're saying, but as time goes on, here's the great thing: lies always run out of gas, and truth never stops.
00:03:00.000We have a generation and a nation that is believing lies that is just being totally forced at them.
00:03:05.000Talk about the spiritual component of this, Jack.
00:03:08.000I find it so interesting, kind of just how this coalition of different people are coming together.
00:03:13.000You know, athletes, radical feminists, pastors, all around trying for material reality that we believe is a natural law designed by the Lord.
00:03:36.000If you look today, if the most hardened skeptic of all that we're talking about is listening or watching right now, reverse thinking would be this way.
00:03:46.000The issues and the topics that we're dealing with right now, what is trending, what is being debated, what is being argued, what preempts this very dialogue today is the Bible.
00:03:57.000The Bible told us in advance that these would be the topics of the day as we approach the coming of Christ.
00:04:04.000That has got to be a great, great comfort for the believer.
00:04:07.000And it should be, this is my passion and yours.
00:04:09.000It should be a wake-up call to those who are saying, you guys are all crazy.
00:04:26.000I think Pastor MacArthur touched on it.
00:04:28.000Where we would be in an age where aberrant sexuality would be the norm.
00:04:35.000That scripture says we'd approach a time before Christ returns that every man will do what's right in his own eyes.
00:04:42.000For goodness sakes, we see that statewide throughout this nation of ours regarding the COVID application.
00:04:48.000Whatever seems right to somebody is what they're going to do.
00:04:51.000The scripture makes it very clear that there's a time, which I do believe now is upon us, where apathy is very, very prevalent upon the church.
00:05:00.000We've got, sadly, frankly, too many woke pastors in America that are not speaking the truth.
00:05:06.000And people will say, no, no, we're all about love.
00:06:19.000So what is the biblical answer for a parent that has a child in school, maybe college, and they know that they are being preyed on by this ideology?
00:06:31.000They maybe are tempted by this ideology or they're tolerant of this ideology.
00:06:38.000Last Sunday, just a few days ago, I had a parent, two parents come up to me with tears and say, we just sent our daughter two years ago to USC.
00:06:49.000She just got a hold of us and said that she's moved in with a young girl and that she's a lesbian.
00:09:12.000It is Romans 1, but it's not only Romans 1.
00:09:14.000And you had this beautiful quote where you said, after much struggle, the scientists will get to the top of the mountain and they'll see the theologians that have been there the entire time.
00:09:23.000That is the retired director of the Goddard Space Center at NASA, Stephen Gould, who said, I think that after man's attempt to scale the mountains of intellect, when we pull ourselves up over the top, what I do believe now, what we're going to find is a band of theologians who have been sitting there all along.
00:09:48.000Because when you study true science and the true definition of science, remember, science is not wishful thinking.
00:09:55.000Mercedes-Benz makes the great card that they do based on science.
00:09:59.000John MacArthur talked about the natural laws.
00:10:01.000If you jump off of a roof, you're going to go down, not up.
00:10:04.000These are absolutes that God has given us, and these things are true.
00:10:08.000And true science is something that is repeatable, dependable, and you can monitor it and you can get to know it.
00:10:17.000The God of the Bible claims that he's the author of all creation, that there's nothing that exists, visible or invisible, by which he has created it.
00:10:42.000And so a lot of Christians, pastors, know this is wrong and they don't feel comfortable talking to their congregation about this issue.
00:10:50.000So there's probably a lot of pastors watching this right now.
00:10:53.000Do you think that a pastor should comment on these issues to their congregation?
00:10:58.000Not only should they comment, I believe that they're commanded to.
00:11:01.000And going back to what you said a second ago, that they don't feel comfortable speaking to their congregation about it, their comfort is irrelevant.
00:11:08.000We are called to be pastors, watchmen on the wall.
00:11:12.000We are to inform our congregation even to the point of death.
00:11:16.000We're the ones that are supposed to be like Jesus, if necessary, laying down our lives for the flock.
00:11:24.000Again, Pastor MacArthur referred to it, that the church, the Bible says, Paul wrote to Timothy, the church is the ground and pillar of all truth.
00:11:33.000And just like colonial America, why are all those roads back in the East Coast crazy?
00:12:20.000But, Jack, at times, you know, early on as being a pastor, I'm sure there were those moments where you were called by God to give a message to the audience and you saw something that every one of these pastors feared.
00:12:38.000Jay Vernon McGee, a revered pastor here, long gone now in heaven, Southern California pastor.
00:12:45.000Jay Vernon McGee says that when you're preaching a message, if you're not sure if you're getting through, just know this, that if you were to throw, if you were to throw a rock into a pack of dogs, the one that yelps is the one that got hit.
00:13:00.000Even if someone gets up and leaves, this I know, I'm to deliver the truth of God in love, and I'm to be transparent, and I'm to be authentic.
00:13:50.000Look, pastors today, I fear, might look at their Facebook and their Instagram numbers more than they look to chapter and verses.
00:14:00.000When they start to look at their success based upon clicks or views, that's a dangerous place.
00:14:08.000Remember, everybody that says they're our Facebook friends, they're definitely not our friends.
00:14:13.000And so talk a little bit about God's plan, where you think things are coming into place.
00:14:19.000I know this can be a controversial topic for some people, but you wade right into it.
00:14:23.000Talk about all this different, the topic that we talk about here and where you think that we are positioned right now and what we're called to do about it.
00:14:45.000I have a different opinion because when I read Genesis all the way through to Revelation, I read books in the Bible such as 1 and 2 Kings, 1 and 2 Samuel.
00:14:57.000When I read about Proverbs, you're reading about the wisdom of Solomon.
00:18:22.000Speak the truth in love and get your elected officials to know you not only love them and you're praying for them, but you're also holding them accountable.
00:18:32.000As we just did in California this week on AB 1400, where Sacramento had a change of heart because Christians in California overwhelmed Sacramento because they stood for righteousness.
00:18:43.000Charlie, righteousness is doing the right thing, not talking about it.
00:19:17.000But I believe God has shown us that what we are experiencing with COVID these last two years and things leading up to that, voter fraud, for example, the global situation, there's got to be the great setup before there's the great reset.
00:19:31.000And I think we're all in the middle of the setup.
00:19:35.000We're going to be exposing from a biblical worldview perspective.