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00:02:09.000They have continued their broken practices at the RNC.
00:02:14.000Jennifer, welcome back to the program.
00:02:16.000Tell us about your new reporting that you're sharing exclusively here.
00:02:20.000Well, I went back to see if Ronna had learned anything, like you mentioned in the intro since the report last year and found she had not.
00:02:27.000In addition to the wasteful spending, we found that the DNC in comparison had spent in the things that they should spend on like voter file maintenance, get out the vote texting, transfers to the state parties, while we have almost no cash on hand and have been spending on things like restaurants in Washington, D.C., floral arrangements, and management consulting, that kind of thing.
00:02:49.000So, Jennifer, you have here in the documents that are now going to be going public, the RNC, despite raising less money than the DNC, spent $1 million on management consulting.
00:03:01.000The DNC spent $114,000 on management consulting.
00:04:25.000Let's go to the next line item here, Jennifer.
00:04:27.000The RNC spent $39,000 on voter file maintenance, stuff they should be spending on.
00:04:34.000Their counterparts, the DNC, spent $235,000 on voter file maintenance, nearly six times more than the RNC.
00:04:46.000Why is the RNC spending so much on flowers and not as much on voter file maintenance versus the DNC?
00:04:54.000Yeah, I would rather take that entire floral arrangements budget and put it into voter file maintenance, and it still wouldn't be doing everything we need.
00:05:02.000And when I sent it to the producer, I'm not sure if you have the screenshot, but the states in which the DNC spent the money were battleground states.
00:05:11.000We spent money in Virginia, which is a battleground, and then a bunch in Hawaii.
00:05:17.000Well, it makes sense if you're trying to share up the national committee position in Hawaii because you're afraid that you might be voted out as chair.
00:05:37.000So there was one woman who had worked at the RNC before, and then now she's a contractor making $96,000 a year to book RNC people on media shows.
00:05:48.000That's pretty excessive and probably not very much needed because we know that people are going to want Ronna McDaniel or some of her surrogates on shows.
00:05:57.000I don't know that they need to be pitched to producers.
00:06:00.000So, Jennifer, we continue on this document.
00:06:41.000So that left that $263,000 amount unexplained, many of which were in amounts that matched what it costs to get from Reagan National Airport to the RNC headquarters in a chauffeur vehicle.
00:07:04.000Another really incredible line item is get out the vote texting.
00:07:09.000So since Rana is spending $70,000 on flowers, when the Democrats spend $700 on flowers, the Democrats, they spent $235,000 on voter maintenance.
00:07:36.000Well, it's possible when you don't have the infrastructure to get these things done.
00:07:40.000There was one vendor that the DNC sent that amount to, and it was a vendor that created things through the community organizing process.
00:07:48.000I'm not sure if it was through AOC or a different type of candidate like her, but this tech ecosystem that they built created this ability to send out all the bulk texts and have accurate voter files because the DNC is spending on that.
00:08:04.000So the RNC just doesn't have the infrastructure to do it.
00:08:07.000So they just kind of toss some money at it to be able to say, oh, we're doing get out the vote texting.
00:09:50.000I would like to see itemized receipts of some of these things to see exactly what they were spent on so that the people that are donating and trying to save our country can have some accountability.
00:10:01.000Jennifer, the story's going up on Red State.
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00:12:34.000Why are we putting up with this from the RNC?
00:12:37.000Well, I don't know why we're putting up with this and why we have been putting up with this.
00:12:40.000But Charlie, you know, I introduced the resolution on fiscal responsibility last week and got a lot of blowback because nobody wants to really discuss the big elephant in the room and things that Jennifer has been amazing at uncovering.
00:12:56.000You know, there's a reason why we keep on losing.
00:12:58.000And when you look at Jennifer's numbers, what you really see is, you know, we don't invest in infrastructure.
00:13:05.000We give these crony contracts to our friends.
00:13:10.000And essentially what we're doing is we are destroying the Republican Party from within.
00:13:15.000And that's why I decided to bring this resolution.
00:13:19.000And I want transparency and we all want transparency.
00:13:23.000And so either Jennifer or Segal, what is the path forward?
00:13:30.000And don't are they at the very least embarrassed that they spend nearly, I'm going to make sure I get this right, that $263,000 on limousines and the DNC spent $7,000.
00:13:45.000Well, first of all, it's exposing it, right?
00:13:47.000Because when the 168 has no idea what's going on behind closed doors, the first step is exposing it and then attacking this cancer that is living within us.
00:14:03.000And the only way that we could do it is go full throttle against the leadership and hopefully get enough people to join us to really, I mean, overtake what we've been seeing now.
00:14:18.000Jennifer, we're going to get a final number of cash on hand.
00:15:28.000And, you know, I just don't understand one thing.
00:15:31.000I don't even know what the source of this loan is.
00:15:34.000Is somebody getting a kickback for this loan?
00:15:37.000Why are we up to $10 million when we're already in debt?
00:15:42.000You know, it's just there's so much murkiness surrounding the financials that there's a serious lack of trust in the fiscal ability at the RNC.
00:15:54.000And until there's more transparency, I don't think that we should entangle ourselves with any more financial issues.
00:16:04.000Yeah, Jennifer and Segal keep fighting.
00:16:07.000This will prove to be an interesting week.
00:16:08.000But the most disappointing takeaway is that, okay, last year we expose it.
00:16:12.000We expected that they would correct some things.
00:16:19.000They stick a middle finger in your face and they say, yeah, we're going to keep on spending the money recklessly because I'm in charge and you aren't.
00:16:26.000That's the most disappointing part is that if we saw a cleaned up financial report, I would say, okay, you know, the message received.
00:16:37.000They have zero humility, zero reflection, zero admission that they could do stuff better because they have contempt for you, the members of the 168.
00:16:47.000They have contempt for the grassroots.
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00:19:38.000And the reason we're not united, you have just horrible leadership at the RNC that's mismanaged things.
00:19:45.000I mean, I just, I started the talk by saying the New York Times report, Biden's got a quarter of a billion dollars in PAC money.
00:19:52.000He's putting in TV and digital in the six battleground states.
00:19:56.000How are we going to compete with that when we've pissed away $350 million already on a phony primary and they're going to continue it all with Nikki Haley and raise another $150,020 million?
00:20:06.000You're going to be a half a billion dollars of money that's not going to come to any group here, right?
00:20:12.000To close the deal of Trump's big victory.
00:20:18.000You've got a bunch of people in the national committee that are furious that put in all these resolutions about spending and resolutions about the credit facility, everything.
00:20:27.000But I think we're here and I think we've got to bring this thing home.
00:20:30.000There's some new reporting, Steve, and I just want to catch you up on it.
00:20:33.000I'm sure you're going to cover it in the afternoon show.
00:20:34.000Jennifer Van Law, who we love, has a new bombshell story, an exclusive story, contrasting the RNC spending with the DNC spending.
00:20:41.000And here's some top lines here, Steve.
00:20:43.000You know, we complained about the RNC spending last year.
00:20:45.000They didn't change anything in this last calendar year.
00:20:48.000They spent $70,000 on flowers in this last year.
00:21:41.000I've learned more in one day than I have in two years.
00:21:45.000Okay, what are two or three things you learned that you're doing?
00:21:49.000So they have the Turning Point data people have dug down to precinct level six precincts of mine that had target voters that were likely voters in 2016, 2020 that did not vote.
00:22:01.000And they're Republicans down to 25,000 voters.
00:22:04.000I can hit those six precincts now with my walk list.
00:22:07.000I've never gotten that dug down from the RPOF or the RNC.
00:23:11.000And Jennifer, if you're telling me her article that I think was on Red State, we had it on a year ago.
00:23:18.000If there has not been significant changes in their spending on her new story, first off, I think people ought to go to district attorneys and start filing criminal complaints because they're taking money under false pretenses.
00:23:35.000In Laguna last year, they swore that all those days were over.
00:23:39.000And if you're telling me they took people's money and continued that spending that Jennifer, I think, did on the red state analysis last year, if it's still just as bad, to me, that's beyond civil.
00:23:50.000People ought to go to district attorney and saying, hey, they misled me in taking my money because they're still spending it on the lavish lifestyle.
00:23:58.000And to think that she needs to get a booker for $100,000, you book yourself.
00:24:15.000Well, no, and Steve, so just to reiterate it, this is according to Jennifer Van Laar's reporting.
00:24:20.000It's another Red State article that shows that there has been no behavioral or spending adjustment or improvement post-the bombshell article last year.
00:24:42.000We're running this thing and we're going to spend the money exactly like we want.
00:24:45.000If that means all these bogus debates with CNN and Fox and hanging out with these fat cats at ABC, then if Jennifer's analysis is as good as her first one, they just gave an FU to the grassroots.
00:27:09.000And if what she's saying, and she's pretty precise on the documents, and it shows you, once again, somebody internally leaked it to her because they're outraged, then to me, that people that the small donors and others that were there, including some of the national committee men who Segal tells me don't get to see any, there's no monthly statement of where the money's going.
00:27:56.000And obviously you add to things that are working, take away from things that are not working.
00:28:00.000But remember, the small donors cut them off because of fiasco last year at Laguna and people not believing them.
00:28:07.000And we went out of our way, which we don't often do to say nobody should give them a nickel until they can prove what they're doing.
00:28:12.000And then when they started, and I beg these guys, when they started with the debates, I said, nobody's going to put a penny.
00:28:19.000It's $350 million they've raised and put into these debates, right?
00:28:22.000And they've allowed these other campaigns to raise this money and put it in at $350 million that didn't go to any of the great activities that you're talking about here or to set up like Biden's doing this massive war chest.
00:28:33.000And so they had to go get, I guess, their headquarters or something for collateral, go to a bank and take out a loan.
00:28:39.000And that loan is now going to pay, I guess, operating expenses, but it's $10 million because they're broke.
00:28:45.000And the reason political parties don't do this is that they don't have a problem getting donors, particularly small donors, if people believe in their cause.
00:28:54.000And what people believe in is President Trump.
00:28:56.000And they've seen with their own eyes that the RNC does not back him.
00:28:59.000They've got their own agenda and their own agenda doesn't raise any money.
00:29:05.000That's why we need to remove senior leadership.
00:29:08.000And if it's not removed this week so we can get organized and team up with all these great people here, then I got to tell you, President Trump's journey to his second term and third victory is going to be even tougher.
00:29:22.000This is one that's an unforced error, right?
00:29:25.000This is one we're doing to ourselves, and that's why we got to set things right this week.
00:29:29.000And I just want everyone to understand there's this untapped resource, this reservoir of talent and the grassroots that is on display there that has been completely underutilized.
00:29:38.000And you look around and you say, we have an all-star team.
00:29:41.000We're sitting on the Permian basin of talent.
00:29:45.000And the RNC is like, nope, sorry, we're just going to, we're not going to tap into it because we're afraid that they, you know, they, they might own guns or something.
00:29:54.000I don't know, or that they might be too conservative for us.
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00:31:04.000Jack, what's been your impression on the ground here at restoring national confidence?
00:31:08.000I mean, Charlie, this is a historic event.
00:31:10.000I don't think anything has ever been done like this in American politics going back to, I mean, you really have to go back from historical sense and talk about the, you know, the formation of the Republican Party itself out of the Whig Party because that is the level that this event is at, the historical level, because what essentially the attempt is here is not to create a new party.
00:31:34.000But what it is, is an attempt to birth a new party within the current party and really one that actually lives up to the ideals or a hostile takeover.
00:32:22.000I tell you, the dedication, I mean, our show, because the West Coast is on 7 to 9 live, and we get here at like 5:30 and people are already here at like 6 o'clock, 6:30, enthusiastic, ready to go.
00:33:18.000This is, and I was asked about this by some reporters.
00:33:21.000Interestingly, that hasn't been a primary topic of conversation here.
00:33:24.000You know, the media wants us to talk about the primary.
00:33:27.000Major Wall Street donors want us to focus on the primary.
00:33:31.000But Jack, correct me if I'm wrong, the grassroots here, they're really focused on like super detailed, the most detailed, focused audience I've ever been around.
00:33:52.000I'm so impressed by the wisdom and the intelligence of these grassroots people.
00:33:56.000Well, and at the end of the day, this is not your typical, it's not your typical turning point conference.
00:34:01.000It's not your typical CPAC or something like that.
00:34:03.000This is a working conference of people who have put in the time on these campaigns, working ground games, working ground operations in some of the toughest districts, by the way, in the entire country.
00:34:14.000So they know what the Democrats have been throwing at them.
00:34:16.000They know about the ballot harvesting operations that went on in 2020.
00:34:20.000They know about the illegality that went on in 2020.
00:34:24.000These are people who understand their precincts because they live there, right?
00:34:27.000These are people who understand their neighborhoods because it is their neighbors, because it's the people they go to church with, the people they see at the shopping, you know, the supermarket when they go shopping or whatever.
00:34:36.000And so they understand that the way to win is to win through those hyper-localized areas.