The Charlie Kirk Show - September 07, 2026


How To Win Back The Youth: Chapter Leaders Roundtable


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00:00:03.000 My name is Charlie Kirk.
00:00:05.000 I run the largest pro American student organization in the country fighting for the future of our republic.
00:00:11.000 My call is to fight evil and to proclaim truth.
00:00:14.000 If the most important thing for you is just feeling good, you're going to end up miserable.
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00:00:24.000 College is a scam, everybody.
00:00:26.000 You got to stop sending your kids to college.
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00:01:14.000 All right, welcome everybody.
00:01:18.000 Here we are at Chapter Leadership Summit 2026 in Washington, D.C., our nation's capital.
00:01:23.000 We have thousands of young leaders in Turning Point gathered together.
00:01:27.000 And around this table, we have some of our top leaders for an interesting discussion, we hope, we believe, on domestic issues, right?
00:01:36.000 Affordability, AI, What is President Trump doing?
00:01:39.000 What about conspiracy culture?
00:01:41.000 These are all things we want to get into.
00:01:42.000 So, without further ado, why don't we go around the table and introduce yourselves and your school to our audience?
00:01:48.000 Hi, my name is Molly Curtis, and I go to the University of Maine.
00:01:53.000 I'm John Paul, and I go to UC Berkeley.
00:01:55.000 I'm Jules Davina, and I go to Colorado State University.
00:01:58.000 I'm Anna Claire Hawthorne, and I go to the University of Alabama.
00:02:02.000 Awesome.
00:02:02.000 Well, welcome, guys.
00:02:04.000 If we had to break it down like this, this is a question Blaker and I are always interested in.
00:02:08.000 You know, Gen Z students and our chapter leaders.
00:02:12.000 On campus, among your chapter, conservatives that probably voted for Trump if they were old enough to or supported him, what are the biggest concerns or issues?
00:02:22.000 What's the number one topic that you guys are currently worried about or talking about on campus?
00:02:27.000 We'll start with University of Alabama.
00:02:29.000 I would say we talk a lot about foreign policy right now.
00:02:32.000 A lot of people are really invested in that.
00:02:34.000 It's been very relevant recently.
00:02:36.000 Iran.
00:02:37.000 Yes, we really dive into that, the economy, AI.
00:02:41.000 Social media, basically anything like social, some identity politics as well.
00:02:45.000 So, if we really dive into everything.
00:02:47.000 So, I asked you for one, you gave me five.
00:02:49.000 Sorry, that's great.
00:02:50.000 I'm kidding.
00:02:51.000 Um, trusting the administration that's the biggest thing that I've seen.
00:02:55.000 A lot of people are like, I don't know if I can trust Trump.
00:02:57.000 I don't know if I can trust the administration.
00:02:58.000 Again, same with like Turning Point.
00:03:00.000 They're like, I don't know if I can trust Turning Point about all the like rumors and lies that are going around.
00:03:04.000 And they're wondering, What is the truth?
00:03:05.000 Like, are we hearing the truth or are we still looking about like with the admin, with the administration, with the war and everything, with um, Turning Point and All the stuff that's going on with the trial and stuff.
00:03:15.000 Okay.
00:03:17.000 We'll get back to that.
00:03:18.000 I would say at UC Berkeley, there's a lot of things that we discuss.
00:03:21.000 And I think it's kind of hard to pinpoint the number one thing.
00:03:24.000 So I'll probably put in a number one tie, which is economics and abortion.
00:03:30.000 Similarly to what you guys said, we talk a lot about Trump's war in Iran and specifically the fact that he did say he wasn't going to start any wars when he was campaigning.
00:03:41.000 And a lot of my chapter members are split.
00:03:44.000 On Trump support now because of that.
00:03:47.000 Okay.
00:03:49.000 Nobody said Epstein, but does that, when you kind of said trust, and I was thinking you were going to go there?
00:03:54.000 Yeah, no, that's a little bit.
00:03:56.000 There was, I feel like there's a lot of promises that were told by Trump, like releasing Epstein, no new wars, lower gas prices.
00:04:02.000 And a lot of people are saying that we have, we're technically not at war officially.
00:04:07.000 The Epstein files still haven't fully been released and gas prices are high.
00:04:10.000 And I've seen a lot of people like, ooh, can I fully trust Trump since he ran on these promises and they're not fully coming through right now?
00:04:16.000 One quick note.
00:04:18.000 You know, it's interesting.
00:04:19.000 Yeah.
00:04:20.000 Because like the Epstein thing, it's much, I think with Epstein and new, new wars, they're both things that a lot of Trump supports.
00:04:27.000 Yeah, I think Charlie said it on the campaign trail, actually, or when he was doing the student debates.
00:04:34.000 So, Trump actually was, you know, let me caveat because this will get clipped.
00:04:39.000 I am, Blake and I were both skeptical about starting the war privately.
00:04:44.000 We warned against it.
00:04:46.000 We did what we could.
00:04:47.000 But when President Trump decided to go in, we also said, hey, we're going to support his decision here.
00:04:53.000 But it's very true.
00:04:54.000 It's very hard to stop a war because the other, Side gets a vote in it.
00:04:57.000 But all that being said, if you actually roll the tape back, Trump has been complaining about Iran since the 1980s.
00:05:06.000 You can play the clips back.
00:05:07.000 He's been saying very consistently for a long time that Iran cannot have a nuclear weapon.
00:05:11.000 And it's interesting, too, about the Epstein thing.
00:05:14.000 I think it feels in the spirit with the Trump administration that you would.
00:05:18.000 We are at a chapter of leadership.
00:05:21.000 Silence your cell phone.
00:05:24.000 When did that happen?
00:05:25.000 How long was that going?
00:05:27.000 I think the Epstein thing is especially funny because.
00:05:31.000 I don't think Trump ever talked about Epstein unless someone brought it up.
00:05:34.000 He got asked one time for sure, maybe a second time, but he got asked about it and he said, I think I would be inclined to.
00:05:42.000 That's it.
00:05:43.000 But somehow the lore became that he was going to, this was like a top issue for him.
00:05:48.000 And I think it's, to be fair, it's keeping in the spirit of what we heard on the campaign trail because he was asked about JFK, MLK, all these files.
00:05:57.000 And he was like, ah, full transparency.
00:05:58.000 And it's what a lot of swing voters who swung towards him were interested in.
00:06:02.000 So the perception did matter.
00:06:04.000 It did matter.
00:06:05.000 I think the media really blew it out.
00:06:07.000 Right when anything came out about Trump saying anything about the Epstein files or releasing them, people want to know who did all those horrible things.
00:06:13.000 And once something came out or some of his team started talking about the media, it's like, let's run this, let's blow it up.
00:06:18.000 I feel like that's why it's such a big talking point, is because even though he only said like once or twice, he said it is something that I feel like if you ask everyday person on the streets, like, oh, that was one of Trump's main running points.
00:06:28.000 I totally agree with you.
00:06:29.000 Perception is more important than in some ways.
00:06:33.000 But it's important to also set the record straight that.
00:06:37.000 He didn't actually campaign on that too hard.
00:06:39.000 Okay.
00:06:40.000 But I understand it was really important to the base.
00:06:43.000 It was really important to our students, for example.
00:06:45.000 And who it wasn't important to was the Democrats in Congress or in Washington, because they didn't really mention it at all during Biden's years, only until they realized, oh, MAGA really cares about this.
00:06:58.000 And then they used it as a political weapon against President Trump.
00:07:01.000 Okay.
00:07:02.000 So, and then Iran.
00:07:03.000 Yeah.
00:07:04.000 Yeah.
00:07:04.000 It's interesting.
00:07:05.000 I think.
00:07:06.000 He was the peace through strength president, the no new wars.
00:07:09.000 But he's also showed in Trump 1.0 that he was willing to use force.
00:07:14.000 He killed Soleimani, the mother of all bombs, took out ISIS.
00:07:19.000 So it's a bit of a mixed bag.
00:07:20.000 And I understand why people are frustrated about it.
00:07:22.000 I've certainly been frustrated about it.
00:07:24.000 But I think it's just important that we set the record straight.
00:07:26.000 I want to also, in these things, equip people to know the facts.
00:07:30.000 So, okay.
00:07:31.000 So, and then you said, so we've got economy, AI, abortion, which is, Great that you can't imagine that's a live issue in California right now.
00:07:41.000 That's a very macabre way to say it.
00:07:46.000 Kidding, get the pronunciation.
00:07:48.000 If anybody, you guys didn't get it, so it's fine.
00:07:51.000 So, all right, let's deal.
00:07:53.000 Why don't we just get it out of the way first?
00:07:55.000 So, you mentioned the trial, the conspiracy theories.
00:08:00.000 What are you mostly hearing?
00:08:01.000 And maybe Blake and I can be of help here.
00:08:05.000 Yeah, I think, I mean, I've been watching the trial pretty closely, especially watching Shane Winnings afterwards.
00:08:10.000 I've been watching that live, but so many people don't care to actually keep up with the facts.
00:08:14.000 And even on X right now, Candace is denying the evidence that has been shown at the trial, which I think is ridiculous.
00:08:20.000 And I think most of us know that she's not going to ever.
00:08:24.000 Really say, Oh, I actually agree with that.
00:08:25.000 I don't think she will turn back.
00:08:27.000 I pray that she does.
00:08:28.000 I hope she does.
00:08:28.000 But so many people are like, Who should I trust?
00:08:30.000 Should I trust Erica or should I do this?
00:08:32.000 Oh, Erica's emotions.
00:08:33.000 Like, they're reading into everything Erica does.
00:08:35.000 If Erica cries, like, Oh, she's faking it.
00:08:38.000 If Erica seems happy, she's like, Oh, she's not grieving.
00:08:40.000 And she can't do anything right.
00:08:42.000 And that's the worst thing.
00:08:43.000 And the Bible's very clear about not beating down a widow.
00:08:47.000 And that is what's happening right now.
00:08:48.000 And I think it's just horrible.
00:08:50.000 And Candace also said, If Erica speaks about me asking me for a stop, I'm going to stop.
00:08:56.000 That happened a long time ago, and she's still going.
00:08:59.000 Well, she's basically debating herself at this time.
00:09:01.000 Yeah, she says one thing, then the next episode, she's another thing.
00:09:04.000 She keeps saying, Oh, we're about to find out where I got newer sources, I got more sources, and it goes nowhere.
00:09:09.000 And so, are any of the rest of you hearing that?
00:09:13.000 Is it a topic of conversation?
00:09:15.000 It definitely is.
00:09:16.000 And she gets that information that acts like it's this big thing and it's nothing new, she's just running in circles all the time.
00:09:22.000 But something that I've been thinking about a lot is I feel like people are entertaining these conspiracies because they want.
00:09:28.000 Charlie's death to be more complicated than it is.
00:09:31.000 They don't want to believe that a lone gunman can do something like that.
00:09:35.000 They want to think that it's this big established thing when it's not.
00:09:38.000 And I just hate that it's platforming in Candace because it's just lies and it's just craziness.
00:09:44.000 And I think it's doing a lot of harm.
00:09:46.000 And I just think we need to do something.
00:09:48.000 They want to believe it's more complex.
00:09:49.000 But do you think what I struggle with is why they seem to want it so badly to be people basically on the right when it seems all the evidence points towards a.
00:10:01.000 Person with a left wing motivation, which it's been pointed out that it seems like you could, if you wanted to politically exploit it, you could point out a left wing radical killed someone for left wing reasons and the left celebrated it.
00:10:18.000 Yeah, and the left really did nothing to undercut that narrative, it is entirely people on the right who have undercut that to attack themselves.
00:10:27.000 To Blake's point, she's even offered to help Tyler Robinson's defense.
00:10:31.000 Yeah.
00:10:32.000 I just think it's crazy.
00:10:32.000 I think it's because Candace is one of the only people speaking up about it.
00:10:35.000 I feel like people on the left or even people on the right are like trying to not pinpoint it on the left, except for the people that are believing what actually happened.
00:10:43.000 So I think that's why it's people are turning to people that are on the left.
00:10:46.000 You guys are hearing about this too?
00:10:48.000 Yeah, I actually will get into this discussion with anybody who tries to even theorize that this is not actually what happened.
00:10:56.000 It wasn't Tyler Robinson, it wasn't that weapon.
00:10:58.000 I have a question.
00:10:59.000 Yes.
00:10:59.000 So when you're tabling on campus, for example, are you getting these types of questions from Conservatives, or mostly from left wing students, or both conservatives, yeah.
00:11:09.000 Unfortunately, but I'm a very logical person, and so I try to look at it as if this was to be such a planned and perfectly executed setup, why would they make it so easy to disprove?
00:11:24.000 For instance, I've seen people saying that the gun used to kill Charlie, impossible that it you know wouldn't have made that small of an impact, or impossible to dismantle.
00:11:36.000 Take apart.
00:11:37.000 And I said, okay, well, they could have chosen any other gun on the market to execute this.
00:11:43.000 What is the typical, like, do you feel you hear a particular justification most often?
00:11:49.000 Like, I feel like sometimes I'll hear people say they believe this and their just facial just be Erica Kirk seems weird or something.
00:11:56.000 I hear that a lot.
00:11:58.000 I do get the most common thing that I hear when I'm talking to people who are just like, they don't really get super involved in politics.
00:12:03.000 They just like sort of consume it casually online is that, oh, I just like don't really like Erica.
00:12:08.000 Something just seems odd.
00:12:09.000 Exactly.
00:12:10.000 I call it like a TikTok political opinion because they're seeing it on TikTok.
00:12:13.000 Well, so she, so I, you know, somebody said this to me and it really hit me is that Erica is the most defamed person in.
00:12:24.000 Modern history, maybe ever.
00:12:26.000 I don't know.
00:12:27.000 You know, they somehow convinced the whole world that Napoleon was really short, and apparently he wasn't.
00:12:31.000 So maybe he's up there.
00:12:33.000 But like, truly, truly remarkable and evil, vile.
00:12:38.000 Like, I know I'm being sort of calm here, but like, deeply angering what has been done because Charlie was assassinated, and then Candace and her ilk have taken it upon themselves to character assassinate Erica.
00:12:55.000 And, you know, there was a post by Data Republican where Candace got, you know, very badly ratioed, which was great to see, candidly, because it shows a sea change.
00:13:05.000 But she mentioned that, actually, it was a post before that, but it was also from Data Republican, where she mentioned that Candace had been saying, if Erica says to stop, I'll stop.
00:13:15.000 She's the only one who can get me to stop, I guess, and her husband.
00:13:19.000 And so Erica says, stop.
00:13:21.000 So then she had to character assassinate Erica so that she could continue on with this.
00:13:26.000 And that is a really.
00:13:29.000 Uh, really awful thing, it's just an awful thing.
00:13:34.000 But I do believe that, like, God's ultimate justice, like, God will win.
00:13:39.000 I actually do believe that in this.
00:13:40.000 Um, and Erica is a wonderful, wonderful person.
00:13:44.000 You guys have probably seen her around, you're gonna see her today.
00:13:46.000 Uh, legitimately, the most inverted presentation from these people of the reality of the situation of who she actually is.
00:13:55.000 So, I know I believe that the truth of how wonderful Erica is will prove out.
00:13:59.000 And Charlie loved her.
00:14:00.000 I mean, and I saw this like up close.
00:14:03.000 I mean, it was actually sometimes it's like, okay, guys, you know, we know you're deeply in love.
00:14:08.000 So I was at America Fest 2024, and I even like from this stage, I could even see their love in each other.
00:14:13.000 Honestly, I was talking to someone, I was like, I want that one, my future one.
00:14:16.000 Like, even on that stage, it was so vibrant that they loved each other.
00:14:19.000 And that was back in 2024.
00:14:20.000 And if any conspiracies were real, they would have came out before.
00:14:23.000 Yeah, you would have seen some cracks.
00:14:25.000 Okay.
00:14:26.000 But there was none because they were devoted to each other.
00:14:29.000 Everybody on the team, Could see it every time we landed a plane anywhere, and he got off and we got in the car, it was like instantly called Erica, had her on FaceTime or whatever app he was using, and was like showing her and the kids to everyone.
00:14:44.000 We're in the car, yeah, it was laughing, yeah.
00:14:47.000 And I mean, like, there's just nothing but love and respect and mutual admiration.
00:14:53.000 And uh, anyway, so to see it get so bastardized publicly is like for our lived experience versus the online.
00:15:01.000 These people, and it's not everybody, just to be clear, I believe the vast, vast majority of people love Erica.
00:15:06.000 It's like, it's these accounts that get off and get views by like attacking her.
00:15:10.000 But you wrote that.
00:15:11.000 I was just only to add one thing since we want to quit people.
00:15:15.000 I think even the data Republicans said it happened when she said to stop, and so she had to assassinate her.
00:15:20.000 I think if you put in the effort to look at all the old videos, it's so clear it was there from the beginning.
00:15:25.000 She was insinuating.
00:15:26.000 In October, even in October, when this is just starting, she says, she's saying, I think this was a regicide to install a ruler Charlie would not approve of.
00:15:35.000 Well, There's only one person she can be referring to.
00:15:37.000 Yeah.
00:15:38.000 Yeah.
00:15:38.000 Well, and she's attacked all of us, to be clear.
00:15:42.000 So, you know, eventually, you know, Blake got very vocal online.
00:15:48.000 I've gotten vocal online because it just needed to be put, you know, stopped to.
00:15:54.000 And then the trial, the preliminary hearing, rather, I should say.
00:15:59.000 What was the impact of that?
00:16:01.000 Actually, having the evidence produced on TV, on a stream, you could watch it.
00:16:08.000 Do you think that that has changed the way that this conversation is going to feel?
00:16:12.000 Do you guys feel more, when you're on campus, do you feel more equipped now?
00:16:16.000 I mean, there's so much evidence that we're able to see.
00:16:19.000 And we're not even, at least I'm not at the trial.
00:16:21.000 I don't know if you two are at all.
00:16:23.000 But there's so much evidence, like mountains and mountains and mountains of evidence, all pointing at the same person.
00:16:29.000 Well, and I want people to remember that there's a lot of evidence they haven't presented.
00:16:33.000 Oh, yeah, there's still more.
00:16:35.000 We can definitely expect to see them tracking his cell phone data and where did it ping?
00:16:40.000 I mean, they've already said that they pulled all that cell phone evidence off the phone, right?
00:16:46.000 And they wouldn't have presented this very elaborate tracking of him on campus, these compilation videos, if they didn't also.
00:16:56.000 Corroborate that with cell phone data and ping data.
00:16:58.000 So, just things you can look forward to.
00:17:00.000 And there's the fact of absence, too, which is if there was obvious phone data providing an alibi, the defense could have gotten up and said, okay, this is all stupid.
00:17:09.000 He has this obvious alibi.
00:17:10.000 Yeah.
00:17:10.000 That didn't happen.
00:17:11.000 The other thing that didn't happen was the state didn't argue the exploding mic theory.
00:17:16.000 By the way, be careful here, guys.
00:17:19.000 There's microphones here.
00:17:21.000 So, they didn't argue the exploding mic theory.
00:17:22.000 They didn't argue what else could we talk about?
00:17:25.000 They're not arguing body devils.
00:17:27.000 They're not arguing maroon shirts.
00:17:29.000 They're not arguing Patsy.
00:17:31.000 Underground tunnels.
00:17:32.000 Oh my gosh.
00:17:33.000 Well, and it was interesting.
00:17:34.000 It's everything, right?
00:17:35.000 So they show these images of the text messages.
00:17:39.000 Candace immediately goes, Oh, that's convenient.
00:17:41.000 There's a crack in the screen right where we would see the time.
00:17:45.000 You know, it's as if they don't have the metadata.
00:17:47.000 Yeah.
00:17:48.000 Okay.
00:17:48.000 Which is something she always demands to see.
00:17:51.000 So there's just piece after piece after piece where it's the dog that didn't bark.
00:17:56.000 If the state or if the defense felt that these things would be helpful to them in precluding this going to trial, Why wouldn't they bring it up?
00:18:06.000 Well, one of the hardest things is that someone who supports Candace, they excuse all of her comments and accusations and conspiracies by saying she's just asking questions.
00:18:17.000 Yeah.
00:18:18.000 That one is the most galling one.
00:18:20.000 It's innocent and harmless.
00:18:22.000 She's just asking the important questions.
00:18:23.000 That's not what she's asking.
00:18:24.000 I do want to unpack this a little bit because you're saying you're seeing this a lot on campus.
00:18:27.000 Yes.
00:18:28.000 Would you say the people who get enraptured by this, what's their overall political engagement?
00:18:35.000 Do they tend to engage a lot with conspiracy theories?
00:18:38.000 Are they people who seemed more even keeled and then they got fixated on this?
00:18:43.000 Just kind of describe them a bit more.
00:18:44.000 Yeah, a lot of the people that follow Candace's ideologies tend to also follow other conspiracy lines, which we'll have conspiracy debates.
00:18:57.000 I think it's important to talk about everybody's opinions.
00:19:00.000 What are the most popular ones?
00:19:02.000 There's a lot about Israel and.
00:19:05.000 Yeah, the Jews.
00:19:06.000 Yeah, it's pretty.
00:19:08.000 Let's just be clear.
00:19:11.000 All of this.
00:19:13.000 Even with Erica and with what Charlie, it really is about Israel, right?
00:19:17.000 So, you know, there are these allegations that Turning Point is controlled by Jewish money.
00:19:23.000 And then, actually, one of the things that kind of forced me to get into the mud with the pigs on this one was this allegation that Turning Point had been offered $150 million or whatever the amount was.
00:19:37.000 She didn't say billions or something.
00:19:38.000 Maybe even billions.
00:19:40.000 That is categorically false.
00:19:42.000 It was an internet rumor.
00:19:44.000 I didn't hear about it until.
00:19:45.000 After Charlie was killed.
00:19:46.000 So I asked everybody, I was like, where's this coming from?
00:19:49.000 Like, is there any truth to this?
00:19:51.000 And everybody was like, no, like, what?
00:19:53.000 No.
00:19:53.000 Our board has bylaws that we cannot take foreign money, even if it's laundered through AIPAC or something like that.
00:20:00.000 If it's American Jewish donors, if you know the provenance of the money, you can't take it.
00:20:06.000 Secondly, Charlie would tell donors to go pound sand all the time if the vision wasn't aligned or the mission wasn't aligned.
00:20:13.000 And thirdly, Charlie just wouldn't have taken it.
00:20:16.000 None of those things even happened, though.
00:20:18.000 If he would have asked me, this was the other allegation that I was really upset because I was going to make all this money if he took it and he turned it down, I would have told him no.
00:20:29.000 We have so many good things going that why would you get bogged down with some very awful foreign money that would tie your hands or make you do certain things?
00:20:39.000 That's just not the way things work.
00:20:40.000 My accountant would love to have a word with her because I would have no way to absorb that money, anyways.
00:20:48.000 Midterm elections are coming up and control of Congress is on the line.
00:20:52.000 If there's one thing financial markets hate, it's uncertainty.
00:20:56.000 And uncertainty is exactly what the next few months are going to bring.
00:20:59.000 In 2024, if it taught us anything, it's that uncertainty breeds volatility.
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00:22:10.000 But getting back to that, it is, yeah, it's like Israel is the driving force of this.
00:22:16.000 Is this just the way a lot of kids on campus are?
00:22:18.000 It's sort of a multi path tree, and everything just ends up at Israel again.
00:22:24.000 On domestic politics.
00:22:25.000 They'll always see it on the film.
00:22:28.000 Yeah.
00:22:28.000 It's very interesting because, you know, the conspiracy theorists, they always use like the same sort of similar tactics.
00:22:33.000 They always, you know, sometimes they just outright lie.
00:22:36.000 And if they say confidently enough, then people will believe them.
00:22:39.000 They'll like point out to things and be like, isn't it weird that X or isn't it weird that Y?
00:22:43.000 How do you explain Z?
00:22:45.000 And those are just, it's things that like take very little effort and then have like a huge like draw towards.
00:22:52.000 Oh, they're very seductive.
00:22:53.000 They're very seductive to think that the whole world is 5D chess and there's like some evil like back.
00:22:57.000 Room smoke filled parlor where they're plotting, you know, the chess pieces on the global stage, and the Jews are behind it all.
00:23:05.000 Like, it's very seductive to Illuminati, yeah.
00:23:07.000 It's very, it's very, you need a lot of stuff to present forward to like uh refute a very small amount of like sentencing.
00:23:15.000 So, and praising, so where do you see this going?
00:23:18.000 I suppose, is what I wonder because it's it struck me that it's been rising in this trend has been rising for at least since COVID, really for the past decade, pretty consistent.
00:23:29.000 Yeah, since Q, and then you had COVID, and then to be fair.
00:23:32.000 The COVID was, there was a lot of lies told during COVID.
00:23:36.000 There was a lot of lies told about Hunter Biden.
00:23:38.000 I still have a lot of questions about 2020.
00:23:40.000 So, it's not that institutions, powerful institutions, government institutions don't lie to the people.
00:23:46.000 They do.
00:23:46.000 And they need to be held accountable.
00:23:48.000 We need to be skeptical.
00:23:49.000 And you do need to ask questions.
00:23:51.000 You need to keep asking questions.
00:23:53.000 But ultimately, you have to ask where's the evidence?
00:23:55.000 Where's the proof?
00:23:57.000 And that's where I think a worthwhile questioning, line of questioning, asking is there something more to this?
00:24:03.000 Is there a conspiracy makes sense versus when is it just cruel attacking of.
00:24:11.000 For some vendetta or some anti Semitic purpose that's underneath it.
00:24:14.000 Yes.
00:24:15.000 So it's very interesting because there's, in one way, where there are certain conspiracies or ideas and theories that can be valid in a sense if it aligns up with actual evidence that there is, if there's actual reason to have suspicion.
00:24:31.000 But in this case, the conspiracy theorists are literally just ignoring all of the evidence and they have to run on a foundational view that all the evidence is just false.
00:24:41.000 And that's why it goes back to the Jews.
00:24:42.000 It's so interesting.
00:24:43.000 Why do all conspiracies go back?
00:24:44.000 To Jews and anti Semitism, you go to a flat earth convention and they just all hate Jews.
00:24:50.000 It's so random.
00:24:51.000 But the reason is because since all the evidence and all the facts point against them, they need to say that there is a way that a sort of global elite power or force is in control of all the evidence and they're not to be trusted, which is why there's no evidence because it's all being covered up by this powerful cabal of Jewish pedophiles.
00:25:11.000 Exactly.
00:25:12.000 Right?
00:25:12.000 That's what they.
00:25:13.000 And so then they'll point to Jews in Hollywood.
00:25:15.000 They'll point to.
00:25:17.000 Jews, I think the founder of, was it OnlyFans or whatever, is a, is a, was it a guy?
00:25:23.000 There's, you know, like, so, so they, they use all of these disparate facts and then it turns into the, the, uh, always sunny in Philadelphia and me where he's got the, like, you know, um, and, and so, but eventually it becomes low IQ, like conspiracy slop, right?
00:25:39.000 Where it's just lazy and cringe.
00:25:41.000 Um, I'm curious, we asked another panel this too, but not specifically about the, the trial stuff.
00:25:46.000 Does, like, at some point, does it, have you, Been feeling like the tide is turning, it's starting to get kind of like cringy, kind of like falling out of fashion.
00:25:56.000 Or are we not quite there yet?
00:25:58.000 I don't, Blake, I think, said in my wish casting, they just keep going.
00:26:02.000 Yeah, and I believe that they will.
00:26:04.000 There's not much else to say.
00:26:04.000 I mean, they're longing for the truth.
00:26:08.000 And if they don't have God as the truth, then it's the Jews.
00:26:11.000 They need to blame someone.
00:26:13.000 And sadly, we live in a generation where we have all these video games and movies and stuff.
00:26:16.000 And anytime there's like a big crime in like a movie or something, it's a huge, like, Way to do it.
00:26:22.000 Like there's always someone behind the bigger crime.
00:26:24.000 And so when a movie brand, when something that happens in real life and it seems so simple, people are like, that's not possible.
00:26:29.000 Well, and that's a great point because ultimately what happened to Charlie, and then I'll elaborate on this, but let's just say that Tyler Robbins had acted alone.
00:26:40.000 Yeah.
00:26:42.000 That is very, and it's deeply unsatisfying psychologically because Charlie was such an amazing person.
00:26:48.000 He was historic.
00:26:49.000 He was a modern day founding father, a Christian martyr.
00:26:52.000 He was changing the world.
00:26:53.000 He has changed the world.
00:26:55.000 And to think that some 22 year old, like, you know, I don't know what you want a psychotic sociopath that had a gay lover and wanted to, like, you know, kill Charlie to, you know, exact revenge for his lover or something.
00:27:10.000 I mean, it's just not satisfying.
00:27:12.000 Like, it should take more than that, right?
00:27:15.000 And so I completely relate to that because, I mean, Blake will attest, I explored every theory there was.
00:27:23.000 I went down every rabbit hole, I turned over every rock that I knew to turn over.
00:27:27.000 And I still have questions.
00:27:29.000 And she attacked me for admitting that I still have questions, but I do.
00:27:32.000 I want to know who radicalized them.
00:27:36.000 I want to know why it seems like other people knew about this in advance.
00:27:39.000 But they all seem to be lefties.
00:27:40.000 There was this Salt Lake City armed queers group.
00:27:43.000 They took down their social media.
00:27:45.000 They have ties to like foreign funding.
00:27:48.000 And who radicalized Lance Twiggs or, you know, who provided with this black market HRT, right?
00:27:53.000 So I have questions about all this stuff.
00:27:56.000 And I'm not convinced that Lance Twiggs doesn't know more than he's letting on, okay?
00:28:00.000 Like I've got big questions.
00:28:03.000 But that is distinct from the Jews or the C. Let's say BBC.
00:28:07.000 It's the Jews.
00:28:08.000 Yeah.
00:28:09.000 That's actually kind of following the facts and the fact pattern here to.
00:28:13.000 Leftist wanted to take out Charlie.
00:28:16.000 They sent him death threats all the time.
00:28:18.000 We've said this publicly, this bears repeating.
00:28:22.000 He was actively worried about the trans, you know, trans Tifa, if you will, like coming after him.
00:28:29.000 He talked about it openly.
00:28:30.000 As a matter of fact, and Danny's told this story, before the debates, before the tour started, he would put together a prep binder and he would study it and he would go through it.
00:28:42.000 And he actually said, you know, let's take a few pages out of the trans stuff.
00:28:46.000 We hit them pretty hard in 2024.
00:28:47.000 We won that battle.
00:28:49.000 Let's try and lower the temperature.
00:28:50.000 I want to approach them in a softer way.
00:28:52.000 Because I think he realized that it was like a ticking time bomb, right?
00:28:56.000 So all of these facts lead up to, you know, and he goes on Bill Maher.
00:29:00.000 Remember when he went on Bill Maher and he goes, Oh, I have jihadis.
00:29:03.000 Yeah, yes, the purple haired jihadis.
00:29:05.000 I have jihadis that want to kill me too.
00:29:06.000 They're the purple haired ones on campus.
00:29:09.000 And so, anyways, you follow the fact patterns and you're like, okay, all of this actually makes sense.
00:29:14.000 Now let's dive deeper.
00:29:15.000 Was he radicalized by somebody in this space?
00:29:18.000 Were there people that knew about it beforehand?
00:29:20.000 And if they should, they should absolutely be held accountable.
00:29:22.000 And I would, if something comes out that Lance Twiggs was more involved or knew more and failed to warn authorities, then he should be held accountable too.
00:29:30.000 If he was a co conspirator, he should definitely be held accountable.
00:29:33.000 He's got limited immunity.
00:29:34.000 We'll see how far that immunity extends.
00:29:38.000 I want to talk a bit about artificial intelligence a bit.
00:29:41.000 It was mentioned in passing, but we talk about what young people worry about.
00:29:45.000 And I've had the feeling before if my sister is asked, What career advice should they give their sons?
00:29:53.000 I don't know what I would tell them.
00:29:54.000 I don't know what I would tell someone you should push your kid toward this career to be successful.
00:29:59.000 Whereas I think 20 years ago, you could give a pretty easy script for this is a good thing to study if you want to have a secure career.
00:30:07.000 So, what's the conversation about that with people in college?
00:30:10.000 How do they feel about career prospects with rapid technological change?
00:30:15.000 At Berkeley, I can say that a lot of us are very pro AI and we think that's going to be great.
00:30:19.000 We're a very free market and there's a lot of reasons to avoid.
00:30:24.000 Being sort of scared about artificial intelligence.
00:30:27.000 And of course, there's the big fear mongering about it that it's going to take over all of our jobs because what happens when you have something that can do everything a human can, but better?
00:30:35.000 And I notice when you start thinking about it, that's not usually the case that they're just going to take everything.
00:30:42.000 If I were to give you an example, would you rather send your son to a school where it's just AI teachers, or would you rather send your son to a school where there's human teachers and human classmates with robot assistants?
00:30:55.000 And I think the vast majority of people would rather do the latter, where there's the human teacher and the robot assistants.
00:31:04.000 And the same thing for doctors and for help and all that, because you can actually be better by having the human connection and the human reasoning and alongside with the AI.
00:31:17.000 And we've seen multiple, multiple times throughout the history of the United States, people will say, oh, this new innovation is going to.
00:31:25.000 Take away a whole bunch of jobs and people are going to lose their jobs.
00:31:29.000 But humans always find something else to do.
00:31:31.000 And so that's going to be the answer.
00:31:33.000 What AI goes and it covers for us, we're going to do things that we end up preferring to do.
00:31:38.000 I know a lot of people would have fun spending more time with their family, and that would be an excellent thing.
00:31:44.000 What?
00:31:45.000 So, your glass is half full on it, but is there anxiety?
00:31:47.000 This glass is like 85%.
00:31:48.000 This glass is AI all the way.
00:31:50.000 I know you guys are doing it.
00:31:51.000 The different side of it.
00:31:52.000 I work in creative media doing like graphic design and stuff like that, and a lot of people are losing positions in that.
00:31:58.000 I think AI has a lot of benefits, like if you want to get a general idea, but why would a company want to hire someone to do graphic design, video editing, when AI can do it in 10 seconds and for free?
00:32:10.000 That's something that I've been having to struggle with a lot.
00:32:13.000 And I don't think AI does a better job at making some sort of promotional material than a human can.
00:32:19.000 But I have seen like firsthand jobs being taken from that.
00:32:23.000 I'm in a different side of it.
00:32:24.000 So it's not really affecting my career personally.
00:32:26.000 But a lot of people are worried about it because graphic design is in my college and they're having to deal with a lot of that right now with securing jobs.
00:32:34.000 I want to be clear the position is not that like, so the jobs that people have, they will still have.
00:32:40.000 I think many of the jobs they will still have, and most of them, a lot of them will just be transformed.
00:32:43.000 But it's that we will always find something else to do.
00:32:45.000 I agree with you.
00:32:46.000 Before the industrial revolution, what if I told you that in a few years, 90% of all of your jobs will be gone from innovation?
00:32:55.000 You'd probably be freaked out.
00:32:56.000 You'd be, what's going on?
00:32:57.000 That's a lot of jobs.
00:32:58.000 How are we going to handle that?
00:32:59.000 No one's going to be making any money anymore.
00:33:01.000 But they start creating new jobs.
00:33:03.000 And we see, I think, in the software industry, it's kind of interesting.
00:33:06.000 There's an upward trajectory of jobs being made there, whereas that's one of the elements that AI affects.
00:33:13.000 We've seen in the blue collar industry that AI has been.
00:33:17.000 Um, you know, leading to prospects of it increasing.
00:33:20.000 There are, there's a lot of one reason I want to ask is it does seem there's a lot of I'm certainly hearing the stories that hiring at the entry level has gotten very difficult.
00:33:30.000 So I'm sure you guys have friends who are graduating and running into that.
00:33:34.000 I was going to say, on her point with like the graphic designs, I know people that ask, like, even when we're tabling at Turning Point, they're like, Do you know if Turning Point used AI for graphics?
00:33:42.000 Like, is this human?
00:33:43.000 Are you guys making this or is this AI?
00:33:45.000 People really care about it.
00:33:46.000 Like, they'll support businesses if they use AI graphics.
00:33:49.000 Like, I'm in the music space and if they're Using AI to say an artist is coming to their venue, they won't go.
00:33:55.000 They'll unfollow them on social media.
00:33:57.000 They won't give them business.
00:33:58.000 So, as long as people have that thing of like, hey, we still want humans to create stuff and not AI, then I think we'll mainly be fine.
00:34:05.000 But the question is, will that turn where AI is just so convenient at this point?
00:34:09.000 Do we just want it?
00:34:10.000 Well, to his point, though, there is going to be disruption, right?
00:34:13.000 There was disruption with the Industrial Revolution, and it wasn't always a smooth disruption, right?
00:34:19.000 I mean, the first factory workers probably would like to have a word, right?
00:34:23.000 With the working conditions being Fairly terrible.
00:34:27.000 So hopefully, we're not going to fall into that trap, but there will be disruption.
00:34:29.000 It will be uncomfortable to this point.
00:34:32.000 There could emerge other jobs, new jobs.
00:34:35.000 You know, maybe it's more art direction than actually in Photoshop trying to like move images around.
00:34:41.000 I want to hear what you're seeing on that.
00:34:44.000 Yeah, I mainly have the concern that AI is going to make people very lazy.
00:34:49.000 You've seen that in class, for example?
00:34:51.000 Yes, yes.
00:34:51.000 Writing.
00:34:52.000 Oh my gosh.
00:34:53.000 They need to make classes harder.
00:34:54.000 They need to get back to paper and pen.
00:34:57.000 Yeah, we take all of my classes.
00:34:58.000 I did not take a single in person test my freshman year.
00:35:01.000 This last year, no in person test.
00:35:04.000 And they were not like locked browser anything.
00:35:06.000 You could use AI.
00:35:07.000 You could have your phone.
00:35:08.000 I didn't even have to go into a classroom and do it.
00:35:10.000 Everything I did at my dorm, we didn't like meet in the class, take it on our computer.
00:35:15.000 A university.
00:35:16.000 No.
00:35:16.000 No.
00:35:17.000 So did the professors just not care?
00:35:19.000 Because I have to assume they know that's an AI.
00:35:21.000 It's something I don't know how other states are, but I think it's Alabama specifically has changed a lot with wanting to have.
00:35:29.000 Pass, like more higher passing rates.
00:35:32.000 I think you can see that a lot with curriculum, with the way that they do testing.
00:35:37.000 And I think there's a way that it can kind of combine because it does help a lot of people study better, take tests better.
00:35:44.000 But then on the other end of it, you have cheating, you have things like that.
00:35:47.000 And I feel like within my first year, I didn't really learn anything because I could so easily turn to getting AI to give me the information.
00:35:55.000 I think what schools are lacking on, they're not making anything harder.
00:35:58.000 We have so much more technology, and it's like we still have to go to the library back in the 80s, grab a book and read a whole book to learn about something instead of knowing an AI the question, and they're not making it harder.
00:36:07.000 They're falling behind AI when in reality they should be teaching kids how can we use AI to actually push us forward?
00:36:13.000 Because at this point in time, if you're not using AI for the good, it's going to be evil.
00:36:17.000 Or if you're not using AI, you will fall behind.
00:36:19.000 No, it's not just academics, it's also creativity.
00:36:22.000 People are, like you said, using it for art and people are using it for writing.
00:36:27.000 And I'm sure if you ask ChatGPT to make you a music sheet with like a song on it, it could cook something up for you.
00:36:36.000 And that's not original.
00:36:37.000 Like, yes, you put in the prompt, but You're draining yourself of your God given talents and abilities to gain new capabilities.
00:36:45.000 And anything done by AI, I have never interpreted it as better than something that the human mind could create.
00:36:52.000 All the art that I've seen, I've seen way better art by people, any poems, any songs, like everything that AI has created, I don't see any originality because they don't have the complexity that our minds have.
00:37:05.000 So, very good points.
00:37:07.000 I do disagree with you.
00:37:08.000 I do think we need to get paper and pen, but that's just, I think there's studies that would.
00:37:12.000 Confirm that it actually activates the mind.
00:37:16.000 I'll be really quick.
00:37:17.000 The reason why I say that, not when you're, yes, younger, I think paper pen, like teaching people, like, what's one plus one, two plus two?
00:37:22.000 It's not writing in cursive.
00:37:23.000 Writing in cursive, yeah.
00:37:24.000 Oh, I'm a big fan.
00:37:25.000 Will Whitney to learn that.
00:37:27.000 I think this is silly.
00:37:28.000 But what I was meaning is when you get older, when you're in high school and college, if you say, oh, you have to write everything paper pen, people will cheat.
00:37:35.000 So why not just make the courses way harder and let them use AI?
00:37:39.000 I understand that.
00:37:40.000 But I think, to her point, there's just too many ways to game it.
00:37:43.000 Oh, yeah.
00:37:43.000 I'm not saying don't have.
00:37:45.000 Certain contexts where you can use it.
00:37:47.000 But in general, the deep, deep focus of reading a book, of something physical in your hands, of actually having to put your thoughts to paper without the help of AI, it activates the brain in a far more comprehensive way than just, you know, looking up the answers.
00:38:03.000 Beyond the economic, do you guys see AI having a social effect?
00:38:08.000 Like, do your friends talk about using AI as a therapist?
00:38:11.000 Yeah.
00:38:12.000 I'll speak on this real quick.
00:38:13.000 I actually had a slideshow sent to me about sexual wellness and how, like, Sex bots and all this stuff can be helped to help people with sexual wellness.
00:38:20.000 Like guys that can't get a girlfriend or have relationships, they can now just have AI robots to fill that like thing.
00:38:26.000 And then when sex bots came in, there was something really disturbing on the slide where it even said, at a point, and this is a teacher teaching this, that well, so this was from Colorado State University.
00:38:35.000 This is from a professor of sexual wellness class.
00:38:36.000 I have the slideshow still on my phone.
00:38:38.000 There was one line that said, Can we use sexual robots to help with pedophilia by making child resembling robots?
00:38:44.000 Dear Lord, that's what they're teaching kids in the class.
00:38:46.000 And so when you're having these teachers teach kids, like, hey, you can just now have AI for your partner.
00:38:51.000 Now we have the full lust of an AI robot that you can do anything you want with, really.
00:38:55.000 So it's like, are you a minor attracted person?
00:38:58.000 That's what they call pedophiles.
00:38:59.000 Maps.
00:39:00.000 We'll give you an underage looking robot.
00:39:02.000 That's terrifying.
00:39:03.000 So, and they're teaching this in school to college kids.
00:39:06.000 They're teaching college kids, like, yeah, it's fine to have an AI companion to be your romantic partner.
00:39:11.000 And it's like, what are we doing?
00:39:12.000 Yeah, that's disgusting.
00:39:14.000 It's fine.
00:39:14.000 I can see like the radical misogynists of the future just being like, no, I don't want to get a real girlfriend.
00:39:19.000 I'll just stick with my AI girlfriend.
00:39:21.000 I'll stay in the basement.
00:39:22.000 So she does everything I tell her.
00:39:24.000 She makes a sandwich when I ask.
00:39:26.000 Well, aren't they in China?
00:39:27.000 Aren't they coming up with like a way to have a baby with these virtual?
00:39:32.000 Yes, I've read about it.
00:39:35.000 So, like, all of a sudden, they're just like removing the human element, you know, point by point process.
00:39:42.000 I got to believe that the human spirit and the human need for actual connection with another human will win the day, but maybe not 100%.
00:39:50.000 Well, it's scary.
00:39:51.000 I have to work with AI a lot, and it's like it talks back to you like it sounds like a person, everything.
00:39:55.000 It's like, whoa, whoa, whoa, this is.
00:39:57.000 Yeah, do you guys have, Blake's point, do you have like a psychologist?
00:40:01.000 Have you heard these stories where they use it as a psychologist?
00:40:03.000 Yeah.
00:40:03.000 Have you guys used it?
00:40:05.000 And are they getting, as people say, cooked?
00:40:07.000 By it, like I've got a friend where you're just like, This person is going nuts 100%.
00:40:12.000 Like, people are just like, If I ask a question, it's like, Just ask chat GPT, it's not trying to foster dialogue.
00:40:18.000 Like, give me your opinion on this.
00:40:20.000 Why would I want to ask an AI robot what it thinks about it?
00:40:23.000 And half the time, with me being conservative leaning, it's like, Won't engage in it, wouldn't engage in conversation with you.
00:40:30.000 But if I ask it like a democratic stance, it will talk about it.
00:40:32.000 But if I talk about like something within conservative politics, it's like, I'm sorry, I can't give you a response that caters to one side of the yeah, what what chat.
00:40:41.000 What AIs are you guys using?
00:40:42.000 Chat GPT.
00:40:43.000 A lot of people use what's some Gemini too.
00:40:46.000 I use Grok and Claude.
00:40:48.000 That's my two main ones.
00:40:48.000 But with Chat GPT, I just heard this that Chat GPT still says Trump isn't president and Charlie Kirk's still alive.
00:40:54.000 I've run into that.
00:40:56.000 I think they have to, some people probably just have different updates to it.
00:41:00.000 But I do.
00:41:01.000 That's why I've heard from some people.
00:41:02.000 He was doing a prompt and it's like, I do want to warn you, Charlie Kirk's still alive.
00:41:06.000 Well, that is one of the conspiracy theories.
00:41:08.000 That is, yeah.
00:41:09.000 That's probably where it comes from.
00:41:10.000 Yeah, I sort of wonder.
00:41:13.000 Microplastics are becoming too much of a problem to ignore.
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00:43:15.000 So, it's like using AI as a thinking partner can be valid.
00:43:19.000 Because there's a lot of information that is there, and there's a lot of ways it'll prompt your positions and oppress you, and it'll be good to think with.
00:43:29.000 But the issue a lot of people run into is they start indexing all of their thinking to AI.
00:43:33.000 And that's the thing we can't do.
00:43:35.000 I often say, with all the things that are going on in the political world right now, the left is often trying to take everything away from us, it seems.
00:43:43.000 And the one thing they can't take away from us is our mind.
00:43:46.000 And that's the one thing you can always focus on.
00:43:47.000 You can always focus on being virtuous, on being more intelligent.
00:43:52.000 And it is incredibly wrong for people to do that to themselves when they depend on an AI.
00:44:00.000 Robot to tell them how to think, and they start living out their days not thinking critically, but instead being like, I wonder what this source of authority says, as if there's some button on the phone that gives you the truth.
00:44:10.000 I mean, you and I have a direct experience with that, which is the Grok, is this true?
00:44:14.000 that I love with the video with Charlie talking about.
00:44:18.000 They just were saying, Grok, is this true?
00:44:21.000 And because there was a window where they basically fooled Grok into saying, Yeah, this is an AI video.
00:44:27.000 You can game Grok with community notes if you bombard the community notes, like, you know, and they have these like.
00:44:34.000 Discord chats and these telegram chats were like, Oh, get that community noted.
00:44:38.000 And so, uh, and that's the problem with the cult following is that they're really devoted and they'll go bomb the community notes.
00:44:44.000 And then all of a sudden, the world thinks that the video that was shown at Women's Leadership Summit is AI, and it's when it wasn't.
00:44:49.000 So, um, it does become a problem, but I agree with what you said that uh, you can use it.
00:44:54.000 I use AI as sort of a research assistant, right?
00:44:57.000 Uh, pulling together facts, disparate facts, uh, histories of different stories if I want to tie them together and things.
00:45:04.000 And I think that's A totally valid way to use it.
00:45:07.000 Go ahead, dude.
00:45:08.000 Oh, no, I was just going to say with his thing, critical thinking, when we ask AI a question, it gives us just the answer, but we don't know how it got the answer.
00:45:14.000 And so much of learning for humans is how did you get to your answer?
00:45:18.000 It's not about the destination of the answer, it's about the journey.
00:45:20.000 And AI, we don't know that journey.
00:45:22.000 I think that to an extent with that, I think AI has catered to what social media has given us with short term attention spans, like immediate gratification.
00:45:31.000 A lot of people are losing that want for deeper understanding.
00:45:35.000 And I'm not saying that they like, Have better lives that way.
00:45:38.000 But I think that's why AI, I think AI is toning to the next addictive thing of like, you need the answer right away.
00:45:44.000 You don't want to actually critically get to that point.
00:45:48.000 I have a real cool question on this, and then I want to talk more hard politics.
00:45:53.000 But data centers, do you guys hear, are people concerned about it?
00:45:59.000 Do they like them?
00:46:00.000 Do they care?
00:46:01.000 What's the reason?
00:46:01.000 We need more water, is the reason.
00:46:04.000 It's taking the water.
00:46:04.000 Yeah, they're worried about like, especially in Maine, they're trying to put a data center there.
00:46:09.000 And a lot of people were concerned about the environmental impacts and water usage, and you know, kind of a crunchy granola state.
00:46:19.000 So it's actually interesting because people haven't often been using it comparatively when they analyze like how much water, like AI or data centers actually use.
00:46:28.000 This is Blake's point.
00:46:29.000 Yeah, like if you look at it, like you know, I think that the average U.S. golf course uses 36 times the amount of water.
00:46:35.000 I'll tell them that they're gonna get rid of our golf course, or California almonds, they use like.
00:46:40.000 88 times the amount.
00:46:42.000 And there's like all these things, you know, you hear something like a one prompt is like it's equivalent to a flush of a toilet or something like that.
00:46:48.000 But you don't actually see how that is in comparison to all the other things that we use water on.
00:46:53.000 So if we're going to, you know, start caring about that, then why not these other things?
00:46:57.000 You know, golf courses are score, it's for, you do it for fun.
00:47:01.000 A lot of people do it seriously.
00:47:03.000 But artificial intelligence has the ability to potentially save lives and do great things in the health industry.
00:47:11.000 Be better for doctors and physicians are even analyzing it now, and they're seeing that there's a lot less problems with the way that I think GPT 5.6 is handling and diagnosing things.
00:47:24.000 Do you worry when you guys encounter the anti data center stuff?
00:47:29.000 What I worry about is is this just a manifestation that we're becoming, I guess I would say, like Europe in that there's just automatic skepticism towards something that's building anything or growing anything?
00:47:43.000 So they're wary of data centers, but they'd also be wary of power plants or a factory or a highway or a train.
00:47:51.000 So I'm going to start by saying it's probably a good thing to be skeptical.
00:47:56.000 Usually, I've just, but that has to be everything.
00:47:58.000 Like a lot of people are selectively skeptical and they just want to, you know, oppose something and be skeptical of it for some bias or some ideological reasons.
00:48:09.000 I think I want to ask a kind of a broad question and see where it leads.
00:48:14.000 Do you feel we kind of started here, but it's full circle.
00:48:19.000 You know, has MAGA and has President Trump lived up to his promises or do you guys feel like he? didn't or hasn't or has yet to live up to those promises.
00:48:33.000 And that's a broader question of what is the support for the president for this administration like now as opposed to after he won the election?
00:48:42.000 And anybody can start.
00:48:43.000 I would say it's, I'm a big person of we will see.
00:48:46.000 He has two more years left.
00:48:47.000 So we will see what happens in those two more years.
00:48:50.000 And I think people, again, with instant gratification, people want to know right away what is everyone's thoughts on this right away?
00:48:56.000 Oh, Chad, what is Trump's thoughts on this?
00:48:58.000 Like go in his brain, basically.
00:49:00.000 And everyone's like instant gratification.
00:49:01.000 And so I'm like, We will see.
00:49:03.000 Yeah, there's but even that answer, I feel that implies there is a lot that is undone.
00:49:08.000 They're waiting to see.
00:49:09.000 Yeah, no, like we will see because people, I said the war is a big topic.
00:49:13.000 Um, gas prices are a big topic.
00:49:14.000 I'm like, you know, I mean, I drive a truck, gas is that's expensive for me, and so it's like, yeah, I want gas prices to go down, but I also, I mean, I did vote for Trump.
00:49:24.000 I need to kind of trust the process, and we have two more years, so it's like we will see.
00:49:28.000 And after the we will see period of two more years, where will I go from that?
00:49:32.000 Who will I want to support?
00:49:33.000 Okay, I think we should be very happy with.
00:49:35.000 What we have right now.
00:49:37.000 We have to remember the alternative was Kamala Harris.
00:49:39.000 Oh, yeah, exactly.
00:49:41.000 If you look at the and you compare the policies and you see where we could have been versus where we're at now, I voted personally for Donald Trump and I'm very happy with my vote.
00:49:50.000 On day one, he closed the borders.
00:49:51.000 And we've had that's something that people are just not talking about enough because the illegal border entries are just gone down drastically since the Biden administration, which is incredible.
00:50:01.000 More people are safe because of that.
00:50:02.000 The 300,000 or so kids who went missing at the border, a lot of them have been found and detected.
00:50:07.000 Yeah, I think they're now quoting 450,000 and they found what, like 150,000 of them.
00:50:12.000 Yeah, and that's excellent.
00:50:14.000 So, and, you know, closing the borders like this, this is literally saving lives because a lot of people have been victims of things.
00:50:20.000 And it's people who are involved in the process are just random civilians who are subject to the crimes of certain illegal immigrants.
00:50:27.000 And so he closed the borders on day one.
00:50:29.000 Of course, he's done a lot of things regarding the LGBT or transgender issue.
00:50:35.000 That's why the city house fell a lot.
00:50:37.000 Yes.
00:50:37.000 Yeah, that's a Contrast with UFC versus like rainbow flags on the columns of the South Portico.
00:50:43.000 Yeah.
00:50:44.000 What about you?
00:50:45.000 Yeah.
00:50:45.000 So I like a lot of what the Trump administration has done for Maine specifically.
00:50:51.000 Like JD Vance just came to Maine to talk about the fraud issue that we are having, which means a lot because I feel like Maine gets pushed under the radar in the political.
00:51:00.000 I know.
00:51:01.000 We're like out of the way.
00:51:02.000 We're Canada.
00:51:04.000 I also agree with the transgender issue.
00:51:07.000 We are currently fighting that very hard on Maine.
00:51:09.000 It's big in Maine.
00:51:11.000 And I just, I do appreciate what Trump has done.
00:51:14.000 Do your kids, oh, go ahead.
00:51:16.000 I was going to say about your other students.
00:51:18.000 I'm really interested in yours specifically because Maine, Northern Maine especially, is one of those regions that swung from very blue to voting for Trump.
00:51:26.000 It's kind of one of the best regions to get at.
00:51:29.000 Not the state, but that particular.
00:51:31.000 Northern Maine.
00:51:32.000 The state as a whole also moved very to that.
00:51:34.000 I'm Susan Collins.
00:51:34.000 So I'm very interested in what those students are feeling because I feel they're the bedrock of people who would define a MAGA shift.
00:51:42.000 Yeah.
00:51:42.000 So a lot of my chapter members in particular.
00:51:46.000 Are still supporting Trump.
00:51:48.000 You know, we're in the boat where we're just going to trust the process.
00:51:51.000 We're going to let Trump do his work.
00:51:54.000 And we voted for that.
00:51:56.000 The alternative was Kamala Harris.
00:51:58.000 We're at the best we're going to get.
00:52:01.000 And so I think that personally, there are other bigger issues to be fighting in Maine right now than worrying about every caveat regarding the Trump administration.
00:52:13.000 Okay.
00:52:13.000 What about you down in Alabama?
00:52:17.000 I think.
00:52:18.000 In Alabama specifically, the support of Trump has kind of shifted.
00:52:23.000 I don't know if it's necessarily for the worst, but a lot of people are very skeptical.
00:52:28.000 I think it takes one thing that someone disagrees with for someone to completely dock their opinion on him.
00:52:35.000 But I mean, we're like 85% red in Alabama.
00:52:38.000 It's not necessarily that bad.
00:52:41.000 So you would describe it as maybe less enthusiastic.
00:52:43.000 Less enthusiastic, like the boomer generation there.
00:52:47.000 But like with my.
00:52:50.000 My school specifically, I mean, there's just not really a lot of conversation about it on the right, at least.
00:52:54.000 Is that fair to say across the board?
00:52:57.000 Maybe still supportive, but maybe less enthusiastic, less like gung ho.
00:53:01.000 Exactly.
00:53:03.000 They forget the alternative, like what you said.
00:53:05.000 I mean, I think it's way better than where it could have been.
00:53:08.000 And I think they get so lost in what they're seeing online Trump did this bad thing, this bad thing, that they forget it could be a whole lot worse.
00:53:16.000 Yeah.
00:53:16.000 And we can take a look at the economy, which the administration has been handling actually quite well.
00:53:21.000 There's, you know, the unemployment rate is back to the rate of natural unemployment, which is, you know, where economists say that it should be under the Biden administration.
00:53:29.000 It was below that point.
00:53:31.000 And inflation, you know, of course, has been struggling a little bit more recently because of the Iran war, which I think was inevitable.
00:53:37.000 But I could get into that if we talk about it.
00:53:41.000 And, you know, personal income for median households has increased by about 5%.
00:53:47.000 And we just don't see signs of a struggling economy.
00:53:49.000 Everything has been stable and it's been going well.
00:53:52.000 Whereas Kamala Harris, She wanted a 25% tax on unrealized gains.
00:53:56.000 You're taxing money that hasn't existed yet and ever.
00:54:00.000 And we saw the disasters of the Biden administration, how they handled inflation when they said, you know, there's a supply shock going on with COVID 19.
00:54:10.000 I have an idea.
00:54:10.000 Let's inject $2 trillion into the economy and put more strain on the suppliers.
00:54:15.000 This might be a provocative question.
00:54:16.000 So set aside the Iran war and let's set aside Epstein because we've talked about that and there's some frustration.
00:54:21.000 Is there a separate policy?
00:54:25.000 Maybe a domestic policy that the Trump administration could announce, make a big deal out of that would fire up the people that you guys know in your chapters and on campus who are in that sort of dissatisfied, frustrated group of Trump voters.
00:54:44.000 Well, I wish Trump was a little more pro life than he is.
00:54:48.000 I think that protecting the unborn is very important.
00:54:50.000 What other issues?
00:54:52.000 I would definitely say within the economy, at least with our generation, because we're at that point where people are starting to have to.
00:54:58.000 Make their own living going into those entry level jobs.
00:55:01.000 And we were talking about this before.
00:55:03.000 In Alabama, minimum wage is $7.25.
00:55:05.000 And they laughed at me.
00:55:07.000 They laughed at me.
00:55:08.000 I was like, I didn't realize that up north it's a lot higher than that.
00:55:12.000 And so, for college students that are only able really to be taking on a part time job, they're getting that degree, don't have anything specialized yet to be going into a higher workforce.
00:55:23.000 It can be hard to make rent.
00:55:24.000 It can be hard to pay for things.
00:55:26.000 But we were also discussing that we think our generation is very much of a consumer generation.
00:55:32.000 We get things that we want, we don't budget very well.
00:55:35.000 So, I don't know if that's necessarily a job problem or a health problem.
00:55:40.000 So, if like President Trump endorsed a higher minimum wage, I think that could help our.
00:55:45.000 I don't know.
00:55:46.000 I think it's also kind of our problem with being like, we basically have a mole on our phone.
00:55:50.000 We can do anything we want at any time.
00:55:52.000 So, of course, we're going to be bad with budgeting, especially when you grow up in that society and no one's telling you, hey, budget, budget, budget.
00:55:57.000 They're more of like, buy, buy, buy.
00:55:59.000 Well, never forget Charlie with the buy now, pay later culture.
00:56:02.000 I mean, there's a lot of, you know, I would say barriers or impediments to budgeting that have been injected into your guys' lives that previous generations didn't have to contend with.
00:56:14.000 They would have been just as bad had they existed, but.
00:56:17.000 You have to be much more disciplined now.
00:56:18.000 Well, they don't teach in schools on a budget.
00:56:21.000 Well, and for example, oh, chat.
00:56:27.000 So, but you know, Blake brought up the minimum wage.
00:56:31.000 This is something conservatives fight against because economically it doesn't necessarily make a whole ton of sense, right?
00:56:39.000 I see you nodding along.
00:56:40.000 Yeah, so, but it's funny because it's one of those things that Democrats will be like, we've got to increase the minimum wage.
00:56:45.000 And like, it's completely economically illiterate.
00:56:48.000 But they don't really care because voters are like, yeah, I need to make more money at minimum wage because it makes me feel good.
00:56:55.000 But it goes.
00:56:56.000 I'm an economics major, so I'm all excited about this, honestly.
00:57:00.000 Very smart.
00:57:01.000 Thank you.
00:57:02.000 All of my friends, we're super free market.
00:57:03.000 We would actually be super excited if he just abolished the minimum wage.
00:57:07.000 I'm just going to say that all right.
00:57:09.000 I think more people need to study up on the supply and demand curve because it's really simple.
00:57:13.000 And what a minimum wage is, it's effectively a price floor, is that this is the lowest amount that you can pay an employee.
00:57:22.000 And that doesn't really protect the employees at all, I don't think, because not every job is supposed to be a minimum wage job or a living wage job.
00:57:30.000 You could be doing something on the side, or you can have multiple jobs, or you have all these options available.
00:57:36.000 And at California, you can get a job at McDonald's for $20 an hour, because that's what the fast food minimum rate is at.
00:57:43.000 And what we see is the prices increase, of course, because when you increase the cost of the operations, the output is going to increase.
00:57:52.000 But similarly, especially in local neighborhoods where There's a lower population, the amount of time that these base places are open reduces because it becomes no longer profitable to stay open until 11 p.m.
00:58:06.000 So now you have a McDonald's closing at 8 p.m. or something random, and it's not actually producing enough output.
00:58:12.000 So you reduce the amount that is occurring.
00:58:15.000 But one last point on the whole thing, the price floor is reasonable or should be significant in this discussion, is what you're really doing with a price floor.
00:58:26.000 Is you are eliminating the amount of transactions of people who are willing and able to work for that job for less money from actually occurring.
00:58:33.000 Like, if reasonably, if I wanted to work at McDonald's for $10 an hour, I can't do that.
00:58:40.000 And an employer might not want to hire me at the McDonald's for over that amount.
00:58:44.000 But even though we're both willing and able to do the job for $10 an hour, that's just not going to happen.
00:58:50.000 Yeah, I completely agree with you, by the way.
00:58:53.000 And I didn't mean to gang up on you.
00:58:55.000 You're actually exposing something that's really important that politicians are confronted with.
00:59:00.000 Economically illiterate options, but they make people feel emotionally warm and still.
00:59:04.000 No policy is more popular than rent control.
00:59:06.000 Yeah, oh my God.
00:59:07.000 That's another one.
00:59:09.000 We won't make you tear up another one.
00:59:10.000 We got to wrap this up here because I know you guys got to get back to some activities out there.
00:59:14.000 But I said one point real quick.
00:59:15.000 I was going to say with minimum wage, ask small businesses if they're able to pay their employees more without going to business.
00:59:20.000 If you're for raising minimum wage a ton, ask small businesses, talk to them, and be like, could you afford way higher pay for your employees?
00:59:29.000 Because Amazon, they can.
00:59:30.000 But what about the small businesses that we're supposed to care about?
00:59:32.000 Yeah.
00:59:33.000 And this is just a real quick thing government intervention, I think, is the primary thing that causes monopolies, right?
00:59:39.000 Like, who benefits when we increase taxes and we increase minimum wage?
00:59:43.000 Yeah, more regulation.
00:59:45.000 Guess which companies can afford the lawyers to meet the regulations?
00:59:48.000 Okay.
00:59:49.000 It's the rich incumbents.
00:59:50.000 All right.
00:59:51.000 Last question, and this is where we'll end, if that's all right.
00:59:54.000 And I wish we could go longer.
00:59:56.000 But do you think, as we go towards the midterms, as we're headed towards 2028, do you feel like things are getting better?
01:00:05.000 The vibes are better or the vibes are worse?
01:00:07.000 Or no, way worse.
01:00:09.000 I think way worse.
01:00:10.000 I've had Republicans and conservatives say that they're voting blue.
01:00:15.000 Okay.
01:00:15.000 Be here.
01:00:15.000 Me too.
01:00:16.000 Perfect.
01:00:17.000 Yeah.
01:00:17.000 It's not like unusual that it's occurring this way.
01:00:20.000 You know, a lot of people have problems with what the administration is doing.
01:00:24.000 Like I just heard it from people in my chapter.
01:00:27.000 But, you know, this happens a lot of the time with, you know, administrations.
01:00:30.000 It's not very uncommon.
01:00:32.000 We just have to see like, yeah, the midterms.
01:00:34.000 We just have to see the severity of it.
01:00:35.000 The number of Republicans in Berkeley is dropping from five to four.
01:00:39.000 Yeah.
01:00:41.000 I think it was, I think I want to say if I have this right, there was only once in history where.
01:00:46.000 Uh, party won the house and the senate and the presidential, and it kept it through the midterms.
01:00:49.000 I think it only happened once where they actually kept it, and I think it's like seven or eight times where it flipped.
01:00:54.000 So, so disenchantment a little bit is usual, it's normal.
01:00:58.000 Okay, same, yeah.
01:01:00.000 I've told the same.
01:01:01.000 Well, thank you for leaving us on a high note.
01:01:02.000 This is great.
01:01:03.000 Uh, really appreciate it.
01:01:05.000 We appreciate it, we badly want that.
01:01:08.000 Uh, I think one reason Charlie was so valued by the president is he could give him raw honesty on what young people are saying and thinking about.
01:01:15.000 So, yeah, and I know we have to wrap, but one thing you want to see that you think could help really quick.
01:01:23.000 One thing from this administration is there anything that stands out that you really wish for like college kids specifically?
01:01:30.000 Sure.
01:01:30.000 Yeah.
01:01:31.000 I would say big thing for college kids, most of them, we don't have money and gas prices.
01:01:37.000 Yeah.
01:01:39.000 I would say stuff to do with the economy, making it more free market, doing things that are actually going to reduce prices.
01:01:44.000 Remember, if we increase supply, that'll increase the efficiency of the economy by increasing the number of transactions while also.
01:01:50.000 Decreasing the price, Judge.
01:01:52.000 Ditto.
01:01:53.000 Ditto.
01:01:54.000 It's affordability.
01:01:55.000 Yeah, I think so.
01:01:56.000 Housing, yeah.
01:01:57.000 Housing.
01:01:57.000 We didn't even really touch on housing, but you want to be able to buy a home, right?
01:02:01.000 All of you?
01:02:01.000 People are really worried about buying a home.
01:02:03.000 And I don't know, nowadays, especially in Colorado, prices are so high.
01:02:06.000 Well, you should tell your politicians to stop printing money and build them.
01:02:10.000 And stop having 1.2 million new homebuyers come into the country.
01:02:13.000 I'll have to jerk over to you.
01:02:15.000 All right.
01:02:15.000 That wraps it up for us, guys.
01:02:17.000 This was awesome.
01:02:17.000 Really well done.
01:02:18.000 Thank you so much.
01:02:18.000 Thanks for having us inside.
01:02:19.000 And thanks for being with us at Chap Relations.
01:02:21.000 Thank you so much.
01:02:22.000 It's a pleasure.
01:02:23.000 Awesome, Sam.
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