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00:01:40.000And so we're going to be paying tribute to our friend Charlie, and we're going to be leaning on our friends to help us do it just like we did a year ago today.
00:01:49.000And first up out of the box is Steve Bannon, host of War Room.
00:02:19.000You saw the introduction to your show is always so powerful.
00:02:23.000I get goosebumps every time I watch it, in particular when you play Scotland the Brave.
00:02:27.000I always think of Charlie Kirk at a brief.
00:02:29.000But those speeches and everything you see, that's the point of delivery.
00:02:35.000For Charlie to be like that, as you know, it took so much work, every different way, intellectually, to know how to make sure you could control yourself by the discipline he put in.
00:02:48.000In these college campuses, when he's just being attacked relentlessly, the speeches, all of it.
00:02:52.000And so I thought what would be appropriate is let's just talk about the work ethic of Charlie Kirk behind the scenes, what it was that made the band that the world saw and the world came to admire and love and do it with people that, and that was so great that we could have you and Tyler and Blake, who are different aspects.
00:03:13.000Tyler, more the political operative, you, more the media part, and Blake, the driving force of Charlie's.
00:03:21.000Kind of getting up to speed intellectually on all these different topics he had to master.
00:03:25.000That's what I thought the power of it was.
00:03:28.000And I'm glad Real America's Voice helped us pull together.
00:04:29.000He was the most remarkable man I've ever met, genuinely.
00:04:33.000And when you work with somebody that closely for eight years, to be able to say that at the end and not have it be rose colored glasses looking back, he just truly was that great.
00:04:42.000And Steve, you got to ask us a bunch of questions.
00:04:45.000And so I want to ask you some of the same questions you asked us.
00:04:50.000What did you see in him that maybe others didn't from your unique vantage point?
00:04:55.000You know, what Blake just said there, it's very haunting because one of the things about Charlie was the urgency.
00:05:01.000He wasn't maybe a workaholic, but the urgency of which he approached everything was pretty remarkable.
00:05:06.000We had the opportunity to see him from the time he came to Breitbart as a writer.
00:05:11.000I said in some of the earliest pitches he made for Turning Point, you guys remember at the time, I believe the initial pitches for Turning Point, he was going to go after this college campus situation by going after student governments.
00:05:24.000And I had been student government president or student body president at the school I went to.
00:05:29.000And then the same on the 26th campaign as Don Jr.'s body man, as the guy that traveled with Don Jr.
00:05:38.000Of course, the podcast and the real America's voice, and then the political operation and what you guys learned, you know, the 22, not just 2020, but the 22 with Carrie Lake and everything you guys learned.
00:05:49.000And what I found to be the most inspirational is that every time Charlie started Endeavor, it didn't start off as a home run right away.
00:06:01.000A lot of people are just, particularly younger people, think that, hey, if I don't do this and it doesn't explode and it doesn't, not absolutely spot on at the beginning.
00:06:10.000Then, oh, I'm just going to give it up because the resistance, the House is always five to seven against people being successful.
00:06:20.000Charlie just went back and did the reps.
00:06:22.000And so everything that he did from Breitbart to the college, the turning point, to the ground game, to being Trump's advisor at the White House, the podcast, this huge hit show, everything became great.
00:06:43.000And I think that's a huge lesson for people and a huge lesson for our movement that if it just, it's not going to come easy.
00:06:48.000And Charlie Kirk made it look effortless.
00:06:51.000He had this gentleman demeanor, kind of an old school gentleman, but he did it behind the scenes with hard work.
00:06:59.000And to me, that's the lesson, particularly younger people have to understand it's not going to come easy.
00:07:04.000Everything is difficult, particularly when you're trying to make changes on a national and global level.
00:07:10.000And Charlie was, you know, a John Solomon had him on the show today, and he said, Hey, he had met with or talked with Charlie two weeks before the assassination.
00:07:18.000He said, Charlie, the work you've done and what you accomplished in 2024 with the ground game, and particularly in Pennsylvania and Arizona, these other battleground states, really, you've teed us up to help save the nation.
00:07:31.000And Charlie goes, John, we're really, we are going to save the nation, and doing that, my real focus is saving Western civilization.
00:07:39.000So that shows you the ambition and the scale of what he thought.
00:07:43.000But it all gets back, and particularly Blake, it gets back to those eight or ten briefing books.
00:07:48.000Because people sit there and go, Hey, Charlie just showed up these campuses and he had this wrap and he gives.
00:07:52.000Charlie Kirk would go through these eight or ten briefing books on every topic with subject matter experts, and you guys would murder board everything.
00:08:02.000They don't understand, and this is why I think people need to understand the commitment this guy put in on every single aspect of his life.
00:08:10.000And so what you saw and you loved came from just tremendous dedication and tremendous commitment and really personal sacrifice.
00:08:18.000So that's why I've always seen this guy as a young man and a kid.
00:08:23.000From the time I think he was 18 years old, 19 years old, and just incredible, incredible work ethic and incredible individual.
00:08:30.000Well, and you did see it up close, Steve.
00:08:35.000And I remember when we started kind of working together more and when we brought the show on Real America's Voice and just how instantly you got it all.
00:08:43.000I remember one time you came to HQ and you met with all of us.
00:08:48.000It was Tyler, me, Charlie, and you just said, This is the real deal.
00:08:53.000I remember you, I thought you were going to be skeptical about kind of what we were building out, and you were like, Nuh uh.
00:09:05.000Listen, I knew you guys were beyond real just knowing Charlie and what you had gone through.
00:09:08.000But one of the things that impressed me along the way, I think it was in 22, when you did those nightly broadcasts, these things had to be six or eight hours.
00:09:18.000You were doing the Cary Lake, you know, the stealing of the election.
00:09:34.000This turning point thing is not just the wave of the future of how we're going to win elections.
00:09:40.000It's also that these guys are tremendous carriers of a message of American rejuvenation.
00:09:47.000And that came, quite frankly, and seeing you guys said, man, this goes.
00:09:49.000I would come on for 15 minutes, but you guys would be on for hour after hour after hour.
00:09:55.000And people don't realize how tough that is when you're doing it live, and particularly on things that people don't think that's exciting, like going through.
00:10:03.000Precinct by precinct in Arizona and Maricopa County, and showing it.
00:10:07.000And here's the thing the lessons that Tyler and you guys learned, where I was so impressed, a lot of people would turn on each other, argue the lessons you learned in 20, and particularly the lessons you learned in 22, you learned from that was not perfect.
00:10:23.000And you set out to say, we got to make this perfect.
00:10:28.000This ballot chasing thing is a way we're going to unite young, bring young people in the movement and win elections, particularly with lower propensity voters.
00:11:06.000So to go down there and see it and see the team that you guys had was just very impressive.
00:11:11.000And I know you'll go forward and be just as powerful and just to have just as big an impact as you had now with the legacy of Charlie Kirk and what he means to the country and what he means to people.
00:11:25.000You know, we've been having to do all this press because every single outlet, I'm not kidding, just like every single outlet on planet Earth wants to do a year looking back.
00:11:35.000And, you know, it's interesting because we've had to kind of tell our own story over the last year.
00:11:42.000Remarkable the legacy that Charlie has left and the amount of groundswell support from students.
00:11:48.000You know, we tell people it's like we're now at over a million students that are part of Turning Point.
00:11:53.000And that I think that blows people's minds, you know, but it keeps growing.
00:11:57.000Every single different aspect and vertical, whether it's the ground game on the action side, you know, we got offices now in New Hampshire, Arizona, Nevada.
00:12:07.000We're putting people out in each of those states.
00:12:09.000We're light years ahead of where we were in 2024.
00:12:12.000And the chapter growth, the student growth, the donor growth.
00:12:16.000And it's such a testament to what Charlie meant to so many in his life and legacy.
00:12:21.000And I'm I tell people this all the time.
00:12:26.000What they have endured over this last year, whether it's the conspiracies or just losing Charlie to begin with, but just forging forward and growing and building just like Charlie.
00:12:36.000We laughed in the immediate aftermath.
00:12:39.000I mean, it was macabre, but it was like, we knew Charlie was like, you guys should be streaming right now.
00:13:04.000I think the other day when we finished with the last 45 minutes with the three of you, to me, I told my producers, I said it was perfect.
00:13:12.000You had Tyler, who grinded it out on the ground game and really perfected that model, and even perfected you, Andrew, on the media side and with the show and all the content, and Blake, kind of the intellectual that helped Charlie so much.
00:13:28.000One thing that's powerful about Charlie as an activist and a guy in the field, you don't see many people that are in Charlie's position have such a depth of understanding of the different issues.
00:13:42.000So I just think it's going to be, you know, I don't want to leave on a negative note, but one of the schools I went to and got a degree from, Georgetown, which used to be a Catholic university, you know, they're doing something like mock Charlie Kirk on, you know, let's dress up like Charlie Kirk on Thursday.
00:14:01.000That shows you the level of depravity of the left.
00:14:05.000And you have to understand they've come after Charlie Kirk because he is a symbol of America at its best, of what America can produce, and people that not just the best, but someone not just out to make money for himself, not just to go to Hollywood and get fame, not just go to Wall Street and be a hedge fund guy.
00:14:26.000Charlie Kirk is the best of us because it shows you what America can produce when someone dedicates himself to hard work and then rededicated himself.
00:14:46.000And I think you're seeing the demonic power of the left coming out.
00:14:50.000And at a Catholic university run by the Jesuits, they should be more than ashamed of what their students have tried to work up over this weekend.
00:14:59.000But I think it shows you in high relief the divisions we have in this country.
00:15:05.000Like Charlie Kirk, Charlie Kirk was not going to back down.
00:15:07.000Charlie Kirk did not need to go do that tour in the fall.
00:15:10.000Charlie Kirk went and did that because he knew it was his duty, his dharma, his purpose, his task and purpose was continued not just to be in the White House and helping out, not just doing the Charlie Kirk show in RAV, not just doing the speeches and all that, but was to go back and do the basic work that had really been the key thing that helped him to change people's minds from the very beginning, and that is one on one communication in a group setting.
00:15:36.000To change people's attitudes with new information and presented by a true classic American gentleman.
00:17:30.000And I mean, Bannon, Steve's right that it only does get tougher because I think for the past year, it's there's been a lot of us.
00:17:41.000We're still in the post losing Charlie environment.
00:17:45.000And it's gone on a long time precisely because we've seen what a void he's left in terms of our political environment, our religious environment, that we all do miss him tremendously.
00:18:01.000We have, as Charlie would say, onward.
00:18:03.000We have an obligation to move forward and continue the fight.
00:18:07.000And it's only going to get more challenging as a result because he's not here to provide that leadership that he was so exceptional at providing.
00:18:16.000And we can look to his example, but every day brings new challenges that Charlie himself didn't have to face.
00:18:25.000And we can only do our very best to imitate him, to look to him.
00:18:31.000For inspiration, but the struggle never ends.
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00:25:27.000And what a vapid and pitiable human being.
00:25:33.000But given his objects, what they appear to be, his act was well chosen because the things that Charlie represented and that he hated have suffered a blow.
00:26:43.000He had a very serious message in terms of, as you said, embrace faith, start a family, fight for your country.
00:26:51.000And yet, at the same time, he was a very cheerful individual, very upbeat all of the time.
00:26:57.000And we often think of those as intention.
00:26:59.000If you say, as intention with each other, if you say someone is a very serious person, you think they're very neutral, they don't laugh much, they don't get excited very much.
00:27:10.000Charlie actually was both those things immensely serious in his endeavors, and yet also a cheerful, upbeat, lovable individual.
00:27:21.000Those two things in harmony go a long way towards explaining why he resonated with so many people.
00:28:59.000As a matter of fact, people who are down in the mouth all the time are not serious people.
00:29:07.000That's, you know, what was Winston Churchill like?
00:29:12.000This afternoon I'm talking to somebody who wants to make a movie about Winston Churchill in a Certain plaintive story in his life about a dream he had about his father.
00:29:20.000There were a lot of frustrations there.
00:29:22.000But one of the things I'm going to tell them is Winston Churchill was happy.
00:33:21.000Just because he really believed in what you were doing.
00:33:23.000And so when he said yes, sir, it's because he loved you and valued you and knew that you were an important person in so many ways and to so many students.
00:33:34.000He kept doing big favors, you know, all kinds of things.
00:33:39.000The month didn't go by that I didn't find out Charlie Kirk did some handsome thing, and he never told us about them.
00:33:48.000And if I brought it up and thanked him, he didn't want to talk about it.
00:33:52.000You know, he was doing what he thought was right.
00:33:54.000And yeah, he just was a golden soul, you know.
00:33:59.000That thing, you know, about learning, the reason he could go on college campuses and sit at those tables, and the reason he was effective was he respected those people and he had prepared himself to talk with them.
00:34:18.000Through hours of labor, and he could find good things to say in response because he thought about it all the time.
00:35:06.000But I go back and forth, and I'm sure some of you guys are feeling this too.
00:35:10.000Sometimes I'm just thinking about how awful it all is that we still don't have Charlie and that we're never going to have Charlie back and just the permanency of it.
00:35:43.000We'll try to read a lot of them when we have the opportunity.
00:35:46.000But, Dr. Arn, you mentioned how engaging he was.
00:35:50.000So many people, there are people who met him maybe once, but they remember it the rest of their lives, or they never met him at all, but they feel like.
00:39:10.000So in the last three minutes we have here, What did you notice about?
00:39:15.000Because that's the real story of Charlie Kirk, I think, is that he started off this baggy suit and kind of rough around the edges, and then he became something.
00:39:25.000He did it through sheer will and work, and he so badly wanted to impress you, and a few others, of course, but he wanted to win you.
00:39:35.000So the reason I didn't like him before I met him was because everybody kept coming up to me and saying, There's this 18 and 19 year old boy, and he's the greatest of all the boys ever born.
00:39:48.000And I don't believe you ought to talk to young people about young people or to them like that.
00:39:56.000And, you know, I'm in the business of torturing the young.
00:39:59.000So, you know, I did not seek him out, but Foster Freeze, you know, who helped launch Charlie in Life and was a very good man, caused him to be sat next to me at a Hillsdale College event in Wyoming.
00:40:15.000And I'm annoyed when I see that he's sitting beside me.
00:40:19.000I saw it on a list before, and I thought, what's that about?
00:43:25.000That was an unwavering commitment to his faith, his love for his family, and his genuine desire to encourage others to live with courage and conviction.
00:43:34.000Charlie believed that following Christ wasn't something you compartmentalize.
00:43:38.000He didn't put it in a box, he lived it out loud.
00:43:41.000It shaped how he lived, how he served, how he treated people every single day.
00:43:46.000Charlie Kirk, American Martyr, captures that heart.
00:43:50.000Just simply about remembering Charlie.
00:43:52.000It's an invitation for each of us to ask what kind of legacy we're building and whether we're willing to stand firm in our own faith when it's tested.
00:44:00.000I hope that you'll watch it with your family and have those conversations together.
00:44:11.000Watch Charlie Kirk, American Martyr, and help bring more stories of faith, courage, and conviction to audiences around the world.
00:44:20.000It's going to be a hard week, but it's also kind of going to be.
00:44:23.000Great in a sense because so many wonderful people are going to be on this show and around the country and in different places honoring Charlie.
00:44:32.000And one of the more unique, I guess, demonstrations of people honoring Charlie feeling moved is out of Goble Farms.
00:44:41.000And there's this corn maze design, which is just remarkable.
00:46:25.000So you've been watching this grow now for a couple months, many months, maybe.
00:46:32.000And so, how did this story just, I mean, because People didn't see that you were doing this if it was growing over the course of the year, they wouldn't necessarily even know what it is unless they flew over it themselves.
00:47:17.000You can sadly usually count on the left to be as nasty as possible, exactly.
00:47:21.000But we can hope rural Indiana doesn't have too many.
00:47:24.000Just a note on that it's like if you do not have enough common decency and self respect not to clown yourself and debase yourself by mocking the dead or by attacking a man that is not here to defend himself, I just shame on you, first of all, but please don't.
00:47:46.000This week, would you just resist the urge if you're a leftist?
00:47:56.000Do not mock a man that's not here to defend himself.
00:47:59.000And I just want to get that out of the way because we talked about something similar with Georgetown University in hour one and Steve Bannon.
00:48:05.000But you have gotten some pushback on this, but you've also got a lot of love.
00:48:10.000I don't want to focus too much on the pushback, but tell us what has it been like since this story came onto the fold last week?
00:48:17.000So we posted it on our Facebook page from our website.
00:48:21.000And like immediately, people started reacting negatively, positively too.
00:48:27.000Um, but the comments got so bad, we shut comments off on our website and deleted them, and um, ended up getting like over 101 star reviews before our profile on Google got shut down.
00:48:44.000And then we appealed it, and we're actually able to, you know, get our profile back up, but um.
00:48:51.000There's been a whole lot of people reaching out positively, sending emails and Facebook messages, and all of the above since the negative stuff happened.
00:49:05.000Well, yeah, I mean, there's a whole corner of the internet that lives to do nothing else but to brigade the comments or downvote things just because they're nasty people and they have nothing better to do with their lives.
00:49:21.000I'm tremendously honored as somebody that was, Charlie was one of my dear friends.
00:49:25.000And I'm so touched by what you've done.
00:49:28.000And by the way, I didn't realize you spent a year doing it, basically plotting this out, planting the seeds so it would grow in this pattern.
00:51:08.000So, anyways, the point is would you please, listening to this, bless Jeremy and his family that have a family run operation here and they've taken it upon themselves to get the inundation from the haters online.
00:51:23.000So, let's show globalfarms.com all the love you can.
00:51:28.000If you are somewhere out there that buys pumpkins for whatever reason, there are pumpkins.
00:51:35.000There's people that are running stores and running shops that need to sell them.
00:52:34.000And unfortunately, that's a sign of the times.
00:52:39.000There are a lot of people on the left that think political violence is just fine and they'll mock a dead man that, um, Was an innocent man and a great man.
00:52:49.000But there's also stories like yours that give us all a lot of inspiration, a lot of hope.
00:52:55.000People that are willing to, you know, put their business out there like this.
00:53:00.000And we had a Froyo shop out of Idaho we had on the show that does Charlie's face on their cups.
00:53:07.000And there's so many stories like that coming in from around the country.
00:53:11.000And I just think that this is one of the cooler ways that somebody has chosen to honor Charlie.
00:53:16.000And so, a big old hat tip to you, sir.
00:53:19.000And once again, please, if you are in the Indiana area or if you said, what did you say, Louisville, Nashville, St. Louis, Nashville, they're all like two and a half hours away.
00:53:27.000Blood in to Gobel Farms and bless this family, an all American patriotic family.
00:53:39.000That means you're doing something good.
00:53:42.000Before he ever stepped onto a debate stage or behind a microphone, Charlie understood something really important.
00:53:49.000That if you want to lead, you first have to learn.
00:53:52.000Charlie believed that ideas shape character, conviction, and courage.
00:53:56.000That's why he spent years studying the classics, the American founding, and the Bible through Hillsdale College's free online courses.
00:54:02.000He would rave about these courses all the time.
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00:54:27.000It tells the story of Achilles as he confronts injustice, rage, grief, responsibility, and the terrible costs of war.
00:54:34.000But Homer's epic is more than a story of ancient battles.
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01:00:03.000Awe of Charlie's mind, impact, and dedication to God, family, and country.
01:00:08.000He was a unique and fearless individual.
01:00:11.000I mourn his loss every day, but when I feel down, I think of Charlie's smile and his sense of humor, and it brings me peace and a smile to my face.
01:00:44.000Yeah, no, he got really good at throwing them real far.
01:00:46.000And the first one, I just like, you know, because I played baseball.
01:00:49.000I had, you know, I fancied myself an athlete.
01:00:52.000And I tried to throw it as far as Charlie, and the thing just like tumbled.
01:00:54.000I like it when it's good when he can throw it far because it means it shows you're a man of the people that you want to get to those people who are further back, further deep in the grassroots.
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01:03:11.000Without further ado, I want to bring on Michael Knowles, one of Charlie's dear friends and a great American himself, great Catholic.
01:03:20.000Oh man, I'm thinking about all of your Catholic friends.
01:03:23.000I'm really sad we never got just a nice, great, Full three hour part two of that.
01:03:28.000I remember, you know, so the way this would work, so people aren't aware of this Charlie would, you know, he's running a thousand miles a minute at our events, and, you know, we'd reach out to Michael's team and be like, hey, you want to do a podcast with Charlie in the podcast room at Amfest or whatever?
01:03:42.000And Knowles would come in, and some of the teams are like, I want to know exactly what topics we're going to be talking about.
01:03:47.000And Knowles would just be like, yeah, wherever it goes, it's fine.
01:03:52.000And so you just like stroll in, and you'd sit down, and Charlie would go, like, Hey, Michael, probably hasn't thought about what he's going to ask you at all.
01:04:00.000You know, literally, he gets there, he's running from one thing to the next, probably just got off a phone with President Trump or something, sits down next to you and he goes, So let's talk about Catholics and, uh, yeah, was the Coco communist?
01:04:12.000You know, I remember there was one of these, uh, probably the most recent one that we did before Charlie was murdered.
01:04:18.000And typically, you know, because Charlie was managing like a thousand things at once, I'm certain he gave absolutely no thought whatsoever to what we were going to talk about.
01:05:11.000I mean, he and I would razz each other for 10 years or almost about religion.
01:05:16.000But then, you know, he also had a very deep curiosity to him about it.
01:05:21.000So it's like you'd get the jokes in there a lot.
01:05:23.000But then even as he's kind of making some joke about veneration of the saints or whatever, some aspect of theology.
01:05:30.000He would also be trying to learn about it and try to figure it out and come up with the arguments against it, maybe move his view a little bit.
01:05:36.000You know, he really was moving like a mile a minute on everything.
01:05:42.000And, you know, that obviously is just one instance talking to one friend about one subject.
01:05:46.000But then he would just do that with his 10 billion other friends about 10 billion other subjects, too.
01:05:51.000Well, and it was funny because, you know, it really was a compliment to you that he knew he could just trust you and we didn't have to worry about sweat the small stuff.
01:06:25.000Because he knew he could have fun with you, but it would be serious and substantive.
01:06:30.000And he knew that you, Would come kind of with just baked in knowledge about whatever subject he thought it was interesting so he could learn from you.
01:06:37.000And it was interesting that the one about the Catholic Protestant debate, it actually got kind of like you know, you could see him getting kind of like frustrated a couple of times.
01:06:45.000And those clips went really viral because people just were like, I always wanted you guys to do a part two of that.
01:07:02.000And it was also, you know, in his development, because Charlie started in politics when he was about three and a half years old at the very highest levels, he really did learn a lot of things on the fly.
01:07:15.000I remember this was now a number of years ago.
01:07:19.000I was encouraging him to do the Claremont Institute fellowship.
01:07:22.000I thought that it would really benefit him because he didn't go to college, famously, didn't go to college and thought it was a waste of time.
01:07:29.000But I knew he was so smart and he was so curious.
01:07:31.000I knew he could benefit from like 10 days of reading books in a formal classroom setting.
01:07:37.000That Charlie could get out of 10 days what most people would get out of undergraduate plus graduate school and maybe into a PhD.
01:07:44.000And so it was amazing because he might be the single person I know who was the most busy.
01:07:53.000and yet was able to develop his ideas the most as well.
01:07:58.000And I never could figure out when he had time to do it.
01:08:00.000Because usually if you want to develop your ideas, you actually do have to kind of sit and just, you know, either lock yourself in a room or sit in conversation with people privately.
01:08:09.000And I realized he was working out the ideas on stage.
01:08:13.000He was working out the ideas on the radio show and on the podcast.
01:08:16.000He was working out the ideas on the stump, you know, at a campaign event or something like that.
01:08:21.000That we actually were able to see publicly Charlie's education.
01:08:27.000And I mean, one of the many sad things that came out of his being killed is that was never going to end.
01:08:34.000You know, he was just constantly getting better, learning more, adapting, honing his arguments, honing his beliefs.
01:08:41.000And you could have seen that go on until he was 95 years old had he not been struck down.
01:08:47.000Just a tremendously, I think we underappreciate how fearless you have to be because if you're working that stuff out publicly, it means you're accepting the risk.
01:08:55.000You'll have an exchange where you look like you don't.
01:08:58.000Know exactly what you're talking about.
01:09:00.000You might look like the loser in an exchange and he had zero fear that that might happen to him.
01:10:23.000He actually remained involved with Claremont afterward.
01:10:25.000And I knew it would really benefit Claremont because Charlie was this rock star and his star was only rising.
01:10:31.000So I was really glad that he kind of trusted the plan and did that because I agree.
01:10:37.000Some people, if you don't go to college, Even if you know that's the right thing and you know that so much of what's taught in college is a bunch of nonsense, still you can have this fear.
01:10:47.000There's a little bit of an intimidation.
01:10:51.000And for Charlie, that was really unnecessary.
01:10:54.000I mean, he was obviously such a generational talent.
01:10:57.000But then once you get a little bit of that book learning in there, you say, oh, wait a second, I have nothing to be intimidated about at all.
01:11:03.000And, you know, it's such a great point on give me four bullet points and I'll memorize those.
01:11:08.000Don't give me 50, just give me the ones I can hold on to.
01:11:22.000You know, it was, he had the four bullet points on really anything you could ask him at one of these Change My Mind events or anywhere else.
01:11:29.000But the thing that really separated Charlie from other people who can memorize talking points is he would revisit them.
01:11:36.000A lot of times you see this in elected politics.
01:11:38.000The member of Congress or the senator becomes a captive of the class that he gets elected in.
01:11:43.000So the Tea Party guy, he never changes.
01:11:45.000He's just always using the Tea Party talking points.
01:11:48.000The 2016 populist MAGA guy, he's always stuck in that.
01:11:52.000We're talking about the 90s, whatever.
01:11:53.000You're always kind of stuck in the one that you most prepared for.
01:11:57.000You get your script, and you're just going to read it for the rest of your life.
01:12:53.000But I have a better picture of it now.
01:12:55.000And I'm going to explain to you my thought process.
01:12:57.000I think he really brought a lot of people along the journey with him and showed them not only what they should vote for and what they should believe about issues, but even how they should go about thinking and talking about issues.
01:13:30.000And the shoes that looked like they were supposed to be on like a 70 year old man, you know?
01:13:34.000And then you fast forward and, you know, him coming on campus with the athleisure wear, the cool, like, the cool sneakers and kind of the, he got his swag.
01:13:43.000I mean, it was cool to watch him just develop all those years.
01:13:45.000Michael Knowles, you are going to be speaking, Michael.
01:13:48.000I want to make sure we give a shout out.
01:14:01.000If you were in the Utah area, we have a ton of people, by the way, that have emailed and sent us notes or texted and said, hey, I want to go to this.
01:14:08.000You got Glenn Beck, Michael Knowles, Frank Turek.
01:14:13.000We've got Andrew Seifer, who runs our field program, Caleb Chilcutt, who was our chapter president the day this happened at UVU.
01:14:20.000It's going to be an amazing, amazing evening.
01:14:32.000I think it's really important to go out there.
01:14:35.000I'm actually, I'm very impressed that TPUSA is going to because it's obviously very painful to, we're going to do a memorial for Charlie on the year anniversary of his murder, of course, but to do it on the campus is, of course, very painful, especially to TPUSA.
01:14:51.000And so the fact that you guys had the guts to do it, I think, is good and it shows a lot of courage, especially at this moment, looking back after a year.
01:15:01.000A lot of us are just thinking of it from the personal standpoint.
01:15:05.000This guy was our friend, and he's a husband and a father, and you just think of the personal injustice in all of it.
01:15:11.000But of course, the reason that millions and millions of people around the world are paying attention to it is because he was a major political leader as well, and this has major political import.
01:15:21.000And I'm very sorry to say that looking back after a year, this could have been expected, but the left has not learned any lesson.
01:15:30.000The left, in many ways, I think, believes that it got away with something here.
01:15:34.000You're seeing people on TikTok and social media who are celebrating.
01:15:40.000You have the intellectual thought leader, as it were, of the left right now, Hassan Piker.
01:15:45.000He's a guy who's called for the murder of Republican senators, who's called for political violence against conservatives, who's even said rather nasty things about Charlie Kirk before he was killed.
01:15:54.000That's the guy campaigning with the Democrat Senate candidates.
01:15:57.000He's the one being promoted in the New York Times.
01:15:59.000So as a result, Charlie had this amazing ability to help maintain the conservative coalition, score these big wins, and the left killed him for it.
01:16:08.000A leftist activist killed him for it after many other leftists had.
01:16:43.000Very urgent to stand up and say, you know, listen, you guys, you think you scored a win.
01:16:47.000You think that we're going to take this lying down, but we're not going to do it.
01:16:51.000We're still going to be here standing and we're going to fight for the things that our pal was fighting for.
01:16:56.000I was looking at our emails that have been coming in all this hour, and one of them that came in is that every time the left gloats over Charlie's death, it's actually an admission of defeat.
01:17:07.000It's an admission that they could never produce a person of his caliber.
01:17:14.000They could never have their version of Charlie.
01:17:17.000Every person who's put forward as the left's version of Charlie is just so clearly morally deficient, leadership deficient, institutionally deficient.
01:17:26.000Just he was an exceptional individual.
01:17:29.000And that's why they have to try to gloat over it.
01:17:32.000Because I think it was your colleague at the Daily Wire, Matt Walsh, who said, When we die, may our enemies celebrate.
01:17:40.000Because that means that you did something that they feared you.
01:18:21.000And yeah, and now all of a sudden they're like, hey, if you're a stay at home mom and you're doing things the right way and your dad's at work, like we want to help you guys out too.
01:18:33.000I happen to think it's a great policy.
01:18:35.000Let's reward the people that are doing it the right way instead of subsidizing, you know, the wrong way and kids growing up, you know, being taken care of by their, you know, some, I don't know, some daycare somewhere.
01:18:54.000You're, you're, it's difficult to understand the opposition to this.
01:18:58.000You had a very good tweet on this, Andrew, which is that it's a policy so good.
01:19:02.000That only the GOP establishment could oppose it.
01:19:05.000And I think that's obviously what's at play here because they're accusing Vance, I guess Vance is really pushing this in the admin, though it's a Trump administration policy.
01:19:15.000They're accusing him of socialism because the administration wants to take a program that's existed for 30 years with mandatory spending and they're trying to reform it in such a way that if we have to spend the money anyway, it's not only going to incentivize single parenthood and subsidize corporate daycares, it might also, like, a little bit. help mothers who want to take care of their own kids.
01:19:40.000That is the fullest extent of this proposal.
01:19:43.000And you've got some people in the GOP establishment calling this socialism.
01:19:47.000What's really, really bizarre about the whole thing is that the argument for this reform, for a fund that basically none of these people even knew existed, I don't remember any of them trying to abolish this fund until two days ago, but now because Trump and Vance are doing something about it, they're all upset.
01:20:03.000The argument for this policy is the exact same argument as school choice.
01:20:09.000School choice, which is one of the most popular policies on the right, and it's a way broader policy than what we're talking about here with the CCDF.
01:20:17.000School choice says we're already paying all these tax dollars to the government.
01:20:20.000The government's spending it on a bunch of programs.
01:20:23.000Instead of only spending those taxpayer dollars so that you can drop your kid off at a state run institution, we're going to send some back to parents if they want it so that they can raise their kids the way they see fit.
01:20:34.000This is exactly the same thing that you're seeing with this HHS reform.
01:20:39.000All basically agree that kids do better when they're being raised by their mother than when they're being raised by some corporate daycare.
01:20:46.000By the way, there was a Gallup poll that came out a few years ago, showed that 54% of working mothers wish that they could stay home and spend some time with their kids.
01:20:55.000So again, this is not a new welfare program.