The Charlie Kirk Show - Is The Cure To Cancer Right in Our Lap?

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00:00:00.000 Charlie Kirk here, live from the Bitcoin.com studio.

00:00:04.000 A fascinating conversation with Dr. Patrick Soon-Shiong.

00:00:07.000 He's the owner of the Los Angeles Times.

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00:01:35.000 Okay, everybody, welcome to The Charlie Kirk Show.

00:01:38.000 Very exciting guest here today.

00:01:41.000 Someone that is changing the world.

00:01:43.000 It is Dr. Patrick Soon-Shiong, founder and executive chairman of Immunity Bio and executive chairman of the Los Angeles Times.

00:01:51.000 Doctor, welcome to the program.

00:01:53.000 Great to see you.

00:01:54.000 Thank you, Charlie.

00:01:55.000 Good seeing you.

00:01:56.000 So, Doctor, I see you all over the place.

00:01:59.000 I'm watching the news.

00:01:59.000 I see you in Saudi Arabia.

00:02:01.000 I see you in Qatar.

00:02:02.000 I see you with the President of the United States.

00:02:04.000 You are a surgeon who has dedicated 50-plus years to researching cancer.

00:02:09.000 What is your main message about what you have learned that you want the American people to know about cancer?

00:02:15.000 Well, thank you for that opportunity, Charlie.

00:02:17.000 I think, you know, I spent 50 years trying to unravel why we haven't won this war.

00:02:25.000 And it turns out we have the key in our body.

00:02:28.000 It's called the natural killer cell.

00:02:31.000 And what has happened is nobody's figured out a way to turn on that natural killer cell in your body because your body is a factory.

00:02:40.000 God gave us this natural killer cell to kill not only cancer, to kill infection.

00:02:47.000 And what is exciting, after 30 years of my life, we found the key.

00:02:52.000 That could unlock this natural killer cell with a jab, which we now call the BioShield.

00:02:57.000 Tell us more about that.

00:02:59.000 And then, so, is your main message this, that cancer isn't bad genes or something that's necessarily wrong with mutations, but is it your immune system failing?

00:03:09.000 That's exactly right.

00:03:10.000 I think, you know, I was, as you said, I was in Saudi Arabia with the president and I was at Qatar.

00:03:16.000 And I met with the Saudi Arabian regulatory authorities and given them all my information.

00:03:21.000 They made an astounding, insightful statement that, Dr. Soon-Shiong, what you've figured out is that your immune system is a disease, meaning the loss of the natural killer cells, and cancer happens just to be a symptom.

00:03:40.000 And never have we treated the root cause, i.e.

00:03:43.000 the disease, which is the depletion of the natural killer cells in your body.

00:03:50.000 And I said, wow, you really understood this.

00:03:53.000 You really got it.

00:03:54.000 What is even more disconcerting is the understanding now that when we give high-dose chemotherapy, when we give high-dose radiation, thinking that we're helping the cancer patient, we're actually wiping out the natural killer cell.

00:04:14.000 And are then surprised that the patient gets metastasis and spread and say we can't cure it.

00:04:21.000 We have not been treating the actual root cause of the disease, which is the immune system, or the history of medicine.

00:04:29.000 So let me try to just ask a question that I know our audience has.

00:04:35.000 A, is it true that cancer rates are going up with young people in particular?

00:04:40.000 And B, what is causing that?

00:04:41.000 At least anecdotally, doctor.

00:04:43.000 I know people that I went to high school with in my local community that are 35 and 36 years old.

00:04:48.000 In Chicago, they're getting colon cancer.

00:04:51.000 They're getting cancers at a very young age.

00:04:53.000 Is it true that cancer rates are going up, or is that just media hysteria?

00:04:57.000 And if true, what is causing that?

00:05:00.000 You asked exactly the right questions.

00:05:02.000 That's why I was in Saudi Arabia.

00:05:03.000 You know, 60% of the population there are under 30. And your audience, the college audience, It's something that I am very worried about, meaning the following. 0.60

00:05:15.000 I am now beginning to see the cancer rates not only going up, but going up in younger people.

00:05:20.000 I've never seen a 10-year-old with colon cancer.

00:05:24.000 I've never seen a 13-year-old with metastatic pancreatic cancer in my life.

00:05:29.000 We are now seeing ovarian cancers in 20 or 21-year-olds.

00:05:33.000 It is ridiculous what's going on, and I call that turbo cancers.

00:05:39.000 You and I can delve into it, how we can delve into it, because I worry and your audience are now more aware and smarter and sophisticated with the social media to understand this is a real phenomenon.

00:05:54.000 Yes, it is.

00:05:55.000 And so what would you say is one of the main reasons that we're missing why this is happening?

00:06:00.000 The immune system is failing.

00:06:02.000 Is it anything to do with happening post-COVID, that actually getting COVID?

00:06:06.000 Is it something that we are eating?

00:06:08.000 Is it a failure of the pharmaceutical companies?

00:06:11.000 Because I can't imagine a 36-year-old friend of mine who, you know, he bikes, he regularly exercises, he moderately drinks, he gets colon cancer at age 36. We're supposed to be getting healthier, doctor.

00:06:25.000 The promise of modernity was that every year we'd get healthier, but it seems as if we're getting sicker.

00:06:31.000 So it is a combination of all, Charlie.

00:06:33.000 Let's delve into it.

00:06:34.000 First of all, You're right.

00:06:40.000 What we eat is the dyes and everything that's been talked about with Secretary Robert Kennedy.

00:06:47.000 The dyes that we eat, the issues, the toxins, the PFAS.

00:06:52.000 The PFAS, which is actually used now as fertilizers, but it's what they call these never chemicals, but it's in our milk and it's our so-called organic foods.

00:07:01.000 But then you combine that with two things I worry about.

00:07:05.000 One is really the magnetic radiation that is happening.

00:07:11.000 I don't know if you realize that our pilots in the military that's up in the air here are getting higher risk earlier of prostate cancer and bladder cancer.

00:07:21.000 The idea that now when you get down to COVID, that the COVID, whether it be from the vaccine or from the infection, The COVID virus, if it persists in your body, is highly immunosuppressive.

00:07:37.000 So if you have the combination of the wiping out of your immune system and at the same time the immune suppression of whatever you have, you're now beginning to see this rise of cancer.

00:07:50.000 Colon cancer, pancreatic cancer, ovarian cancer, breast cancer, and very interestingly enough, I'm seeing so-called rare tumors that are no longer rare.

00:08:01.000 Glioblastomas.

00:08:02.000 So all these issues now coming to bear, and that's why I'm so excited by the discussions we had, both with the president and his team, as well as with the senior leaders at Saudi Arabia and Qatar, who desperately want to bring this BioShield to the world.

00:08:30.000 Yeah, so let's emphasize that.

00:08:33.000 Is this cancer problem happening in distant off lands like Qatar and Saudi Arabia as well, or is this uniquely an American phenomenon?

00:08:41.000 We are now seeing a pandemic, not only in Qatar, in Africa and in the United States and in Canada.

00:08:47.000 One of the biggest issues we've got in Qatar and in Saudi Arabia is colon cancer.

00:08:54.000 And I have a fearful, fearful feeling.

00:08:58.000 And this is now published, that the COVID virus is now residing in the colon two years after the infection.

00:09:08.000 That's now been published by the University of San Francisco team.

00:09:12.000 And more importantly, when it's there, the natural killer cells in that colon are completely diminished in terms of its activity.

00:09:21.000 So it's not by coincidence we're seeing so much colon cancer.

00:09:25.000 And what's exciting, at least for me, in the United States, we have now a trial which we almost fully recruited to prevent colon cancer in patients with Lynch syndrome with our BioShield.

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00:10:42.000 So, let me just ask the elephant in the room question, if I can, Doctor, which is some of our audience is saying, Charlie, this must be the COVID shot, that it's the mRNA shot.

00:10:52.000 I'm sure you get this question a lot, Doctor.

00:10:54.000 In your expertise, is there any truth to that?

00:10:57.000 Is that something worth looking into?

00:11:00.000 Help us, Layman, understand how you're thinking about this.

00:11:03.000 It is very much something we have to look into, and it's not a political thing.

00:11:07.000 It's a really scientific issue.

00:11:10.000 So for us to understand the COVID vaccine as it currently was presented, which was the spike protein, that spike protein was what they call stabilized.

00:11:23.000 And by so doing, it would enter any part of the body together with these, without going too deep into the technicalities, these lipid carriers.

00:11:36.000 So the question is, would these spike proteins, together with a combined infection, cause replication in the body?

00:11:46.000 And does that explain the myocarditis?

00:11:50.000 Does it explain the autoimmune disease?

00:11:52.000 Does it explain the brain fog?

00:11:53.000 Does it explain the residual replicating viruses in the colon?

00:12:00.000 So absolutely, this needs to be understood and explored.

00:12:05.000 I don't think there's a coincidence between this, what I call, turbo cancers.

00:12:11.000 I get calls after calls of patients that were in remission and then got COVID, and now they have cancer.

00:12:18.000 So I think this immune has been underestimated.

00:12:23.000 The beauty is that BioShield can overcome this immunosuppression.

00:12:27.000 The beauty is that this BioShield can clear this virus from the body, and that's what we're in trials now.

00:12:34.000 Yeah, so I want to learn more about that.

00:12:36.000 But first, you have such incredible clarity on this topic, which is rare.

00:12:41.000 Because when I talk to people that are just, to say, part of the system that aren't creative, they are very ideological.

00:12:48.000 You're not even allowed to explore these topics.

00:12:51.000 How have you been treated by the big pharma incumbent actors?

00:12:56.000 Have you been well-received with your approach and your line of questioning?

00:13:02.000 Well, that's a very loaded question, and the great forward answer is not well received.

00:13:08.000 I don't think any, just so you know, I've not taken one penny of Big Pharma money, and I've not taken one penny of government money.

00:13:15.000 All the money that we've spent, and we've spent over a billion dollars in trying to understand this work, as you know, Charlie, I had the great fortune of living the American dream and selling my company so I can actually work on how we can cure cancer.

00:13:32.000 I don't think curing cancer and avoiding high-dose chemotherapy, high-dose radiation, high-dose checkpoint inhibitors acts in the interest of big pharma.

00:13:41.000 And I think, you know, there's incentives that I'm fighting against.

00:13:48.000 And even large academic medical centers where it's really a great profit center to give high-dose chemotherapy and radiation.

00:13:57.000 So I suppose I just had to face that, understood that.

00:14:02.000 And as you may know, many years ago, when you tried to help me solve healthcare, when you were young, Charlie Kirk, and if I had known how successful you would have been on Tuning Point, I would never have let you actually out of my sight.

00:14:23.000 You're very kind.

00:14:24.000 And it's very funny.

00:14:26.000 Dr. Soon-Shiong and I, we got to know each other quite well.

00:14:30.000 You know what?

00:14:31.000 Six or seven years ago, we played basketball together a lot, and then we just kind of lost touch, and here we are, back together.

00:14:37.000 it's funny how that works, isn't it?

00:14:38.000 And I just can't compliment your work enough because it is so needed because I'm seeing young friends of mine suffer by this exploding cancer epidemic.

00:14:49.000 And so I, You remember President Trump got shot at Butler?

00:14:59.000 Yes.

00:15:00.000 And I watched it.

00:15:01.000 I actually watched it with horror.

00:15:04.000 And a few weeks later, I get a call from a family, from that same Butler.

00:15:10.000 And that family has this boy, this young boy, 13-year-old, with metastatic pancreatic cancer.

00:15:18.000 I said, oh, my God, I've never heard of a patient with 13 years old.

00:15:22.000 And I said, listen, this patient must be treated where you are.

00:15:25.000 You don't need to travel to Los Angeles.

00:15:28.000 Let me speak to your doctors in your area.

00:15:32.000 And their response was, the doctors in the area said, this patient should be in hospice.

00:15:37.000 There's nothing more we can do.

00:15:40.000 And sadly, I said, well, that's not acceptable.

00:15:46.000 Let him fly out then.

00:15:47.000 I will try and take care of him.

00:15:49.000 And he would fly out.

00:15:51.000 Either every week or every three weeks with his father.

00:15:54.000 And it was so tragic because by the time I saw him, it was all through his body.

00:16:01.000 And this is driving me nuts as a physician.

00:16:03.000 It's driving me nuts that we can allow that to stand.

00:16:09.000 So all of this that I'm talking about is truly as a physician and somebody that's, you know, trying to find out what's exciting and at the same time frustration.

00:16:21.000 We think we've unlocked the key.

00:16:23.000 I think we've found the missing link.

00:16:25.000 We think we understand now for the first time how to outsmart this cancer.

00:16:31.000 As you recall, when we started many, many years ago, we said we were going to talk about self-health care.

00:16:37.000 And you're not going to solve health care until you can actually treat these chronic diseases.

00:16:42.000 But my fear in young people, people that see the most wonderful times of their lives.

00:16:49.000 Are now facing this terrible dread of cancer.

00:16:52.000 Yes.

00:16:52.000 Yes, and not because of any lifestyle choice that they have made.

00:16:57.000 For example, if you get lung cancer at age of 61, you are a lifelong smoker.

00:17:01.000 I'm not saying you deserve it, but there was definitely an understanding of risk when you're doing that.

00:17:07.000 If you're getting colon cancer or prostate cancer after a lifetime of drinking, I'm not saying you deserve it, but there was some human agency.

00:17:16.000 But if you're 14 years old and you have cancer spreading throughout your entire body, you didn't do anything to deserve that.

00:17:23.000 There was nothing that you did, doctor.

00:17:25.000 Right.

00:17:25.000 No, I agree.

00:17:26.000 I agree.

00:17:27.000 And even more so right now, right?

00:17:30.000 I mean, we had the pandemic of the COVID.

00:17:34.000 And by the way, I argued in 2020 to the powers that be, whether it be Fauci, Collins, the Biden administration, that unless you clear the virus, You're never going to prevent the spread.

00:17:48.000 And if you don't clear the virus, there's really prices to pay of losing your natural killer cells.

00:17:57.000 And those warnings were not taken at all during that administration.

00:18:03.000 So let's zero in on that.

00:18:05.000 So your philosophy is one that seems to be very self-evident.

00:18:09.000 Activate your body's immune system and the natural killer cells.

00:18:12.000 You call it the bio-shield.

00:18:14.000 Is that correct?

00:18:14.000 Is that what you've been?

00:18:15.000 Yeah.

00:18:16.000 And essentially, instead of having to take all these pharmacological agents or potentially damaging treatments like chemotherapy or radiation, you allow God's design to do the work for you.

00:18:28.000 Is that a fair summary?

00:18:29.000 And then how do we do it?

00:18:30.000 How do we strengthen the immune system?

00:18:32.000 Is it a shot?

00:18:33.000 Is it a routine?

00:18:34.000 Is it a regimen?

00:18:35.000 Is it a supplement?

00:18:36.000 Is it a treatment?

00:18:37.000 Please.

00:18:37.000 So you characterize it absolutely correct.

00:18:41.000 I will just add a little bit more.

00:18:43.000 The current chemotherapy and radiation actually kills the exact immune system you're trying to protect.

00:18:49.000 So inadvertently, all these dollars that we spent and all the profits that have been made by Big Pharma and everything actually has not won the war.

00:19:03.000 It may have won the battle slightly, but immediately you can get metastasis.

00:19:07.000 So the question you ask is, how does this BioShield work?

00:19:11.000 God has given us the ability to kill cancer with this natural killer cell.

00:19:19.000 What we call that natural killer cell and T-cell in medical terms, lymphocytes.

00:19:26.000 So we understand when we take a CBC and we can look and we can see the red blood cells and treat anemia, there's never been a treatment ever in the history of medicine to activate these lymphocytes.

00:19:42.000 Which are the natural killer cells and T cells because we couldn't figure out the key that would turn them on in your body that would last long enough with a single jab.

00:19:52.000 So all this is is literally a protein that your body makes called IL-15.

00:20:00.000 We have figured out a way to take this IL-15 and put it into a vial which is a natural protein that your body makes but allow it to last long and activate Tenfold your natural killer cells and T-cells in your body.

00:20:16.000 So your body is the factory of these lymphocytes, and we give you that jab.

00:20:21.000 We, however, in addition to that, have figured out a way to take blood from yourself, your own blood, or from somebody else, and in our lab, grow these natural killer cells into billions.

00:20:37.000 We can now target these natural killer cells and infuse them back into you.

00:20:41.000 So now we have just supplemented, augmented, and supercharged your immune system and used exactly what God has given us to design to kill cancer.

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00:21:50.000 I love this so much.

00:21:58.000 I have to ask and kind of re-ask a question, but I'll ask it differently.

00:22:02.000 Let me say it this way.

00:22:03.000 What then is all the money in biotech?

00:22:06.000 Where is it going?

00:22:07.000 Are they pursuing treatments like this?

00:22:11.000 Because this seems so self-evident, and dare I say, this is a permanent and much more lasting approach than what some of the alternative theories are.

00:22:20.000 Do you agree with that?

00:22:21.000 And then where is the investment going of these big pharma companies?

00:22:26.000 Do they actually want to solve the problem?

00:22:28.000 So let's break down that question, because it's a very good question.

00:22:33.000 The first question is, is this permanent?

00:22:36.000 Well, I can just give you the evidence and the data.

00:22:39.000 For example, 10 years ago, think about that.

00:22:43.000 10 years ago, we treated patients with bladder cancer.

00:22:46.000 And if you have bladder cancer, the outcome is it would progress and you would die from metastatic disease.

00:22:53.000 Or, in order to prevent that, you would remove your entire bladder. 0.54

00:22:58.000 That's called a radical cystectomy. 0.88

00:23:01.000 So 10 years ago, we put it into patients in our phase one, and guess what?

00:23:06.000 Those patients are still alive with their bladder 10 years out and with a great quality of life.

00:23:13.000 We have patients with metastatic pancreatic cancer, and you know with metastatic pancreatic cancer that the lifespan is very limited.

00:23:23.000 We published a paper with five-year data of metastatic pancreatic cancer, completely free of disease at that time.

00:23:32.000 You know there's another disease called Merkel cell carcinoma, which is a very aggressive tumor in the skin like a melanoma.

00:23:41.000 We have patients now out six years free of disease, seven years free of disease.

00:23:45.000 What does this mean is that we not only have supercharged the immune system, we've taught the immune system to have what we call T cell memory and in so doing So that's what we do.

00:24:07.000 Conceptually, what we do differently from anybody else is, as you recall, many years ago, in fact, that's when we were playing basketball together, I thought that maybe the cancer we could treat.

00:24:29.000 I soon realized that this cancer on the inside has got so many fail-safe pathways, tens of them.

00:24:36.000 You block one, the other one opens.

00:24:38.000 You block the other, the other one opens.

00:24:39.000 So you can't kill the cancer from the inside out.

00:24:43.000 I realized you have to kill the cancer from the outside in.

00:24:47.000 You have to attack the cancer on its surface.

00:24:51.000 From the outside in and shatter it.

00:24:53.000 And then shatter it completely and drive memory that will recognize it.

00:24:57.000 That's the natural killer cell.

00:24:59.000 So what is different is we're killing the cancer from the outside in in a way that will drive memory and be permanent.

00:25:07.000 What other companies are doing, they're still doing these incremental changes and checkpoint inhibitors, targeted, etc.

00:25:16.000 And they're all incremental.

00:25:19.000 We need to change it where it is long-term overall survival with a high quality of life, and we've already shown that.

00:25:27.000 So what have you learned since COVID regarding this topic that has surprised you the most?

00:25:36.000 Because, I mean, someone like you is a lifelong learner.

00:25:38.000 You're constantly studying.

00:25:40.000 What in the last five years have you learned that was, if anything, an aha moment that has given you even more clarity in this fight against cancer?

00:25:49.000 You know, what's given more clarity was actually not even the last five years, in the last six months.

00:25:53.000 Please tell me.

00:25:54.000 As I've been walking around trying to explain this idea that the disease is the immune system, that the fundamental flaw of early mortality or fundamental cause of early mortality is the loss or the collapse of the immune system.

00:26:14.000 The light bulb went on.

00:26:16.000 That that collapse happens when you have sepsis.

00:26:19.000 Yes.

00:26:20.000 That collapse when you have aging.

00:26:22.000 That collapse when you have trauma.

00:26:24.000 That collapse when you have TB.

00:26:27.000 That collapse when you have COVID.

00:26:28.000 That collapse when you have cancer.

00:26:30.000 So it is truly almost like the holy grail of the fountain of long life, not of youth, but how to protect your body.

00:26:42.000 And we just recently had a patient.

00:26:44.000 With sepsis in the ICU, got approval with a patient with central valley fever that his entire lung was filled with this fungus.

00:26:55.000 And we gave, unfortunately, the patient to the last, right almost, an ICU for one month on the ventilator, gave them our bio-shield, and in case cells had been fused, and remarkably, the lungs cleared up completely.

00:27:14.000 Not just the aha moment, it's oh my goodness, this bio shield has implications not only for the nation but for the world. 0.89

00:27:23.000 And I'm so pleased that, you know, I saw the shout out that President Trump gave to you with how you helped bring the younger population to be aware that with this president who is now aware of this bio shield could make this happen. 0.95

00:27:43.000 When the other previous administration really almost put blocks in the way.

00:27:49.000 So, this is amazing.

00:27:53.000 What do you want everyone in our audience to know as far as empowerment information?

00:27:59.000 Because right now there are people in our audience, this will be seen by millions of people, that have cancer right now.

00:28:05.000 They are going to chemo right now.

00:28:08.000 What do you want them to know?

00:28:09.000 What is your message to the masses?

00:28:11.000 The reason I'm in this suit and fancy-wancy here is because I just had a meeting with the FDA and some other officials to truly explain the urgency of this because, as you know, Charlie, I've never been on podcasts until now, and I just did one three or four months ago, and we got thousands of requests.

00:28:36.000 You're completely right.

00:28:38.000 The desperation...

00:28:43.000 And to empower, I want this to be made available to the nation.

00:28:49.000 But it's already approved.

00:28:51.000 It's approved just for bladder cancer.

00:28:54.000 And inside the approval, it actually states legally in the package insert that this bio-shield is, to my knowledge, the only molecule on the planet that stimulates NK cells, T cells.

00:29:08.000 And memory T-cells without immune suppression.

00:29:11.000 So the empowerment for the nation is to get aware, to be aware of this availability.

00:29:17.000 I have to work my way through the regulatory stuff that goes through.

00:29:24.000 And that's one of the reasons why I was in Riyadh.

00:29:28.000 Because the Middle East have committed to me that they will make this available to the Middle East within 100 days, next 100 days.

00:29:38.000 So the empowerment is for people to be firstly understanding of the fact that our clinic is now fully overwhelmed.

00:29:53.000 I want this to be available to the country.

00:29:56.000 President Trump understands that.

00:29:58.000 That's one of the conversations I had with him when I was in Riyadh.

00:30:02.000 You know, we're going to have the Golden Dome, but we can also have the Biodome.

00:30:06.000 Or the BioShield.

00:30:08.000 And what more important is to prevent patients from dying from radiation.

00:30:14.000 Not being treated by the radiation, but dying, getting metastasis from the radiation.

00:30:18.000 and that could be prevented with a bio shield.

00:30:21.000 So I suppose it is an active campaign, Charlie, just like you have where, you know, folks, when they even had HIV, This needs to be made available.

00:30:39.000 I'm not a politician.

00:30:41.000 I'm a doctor.

00:30:42.000 All I want is for us to help people.

00:30:45.000 As many patients as we can.

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00:31:03.000 We go super viral on TikTok here on this program, reaching billions and billions of views.

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00:31:33.000 With TikTok, small businesses are thriving.

00:31:35.000 Ours certainly is.

00:31:36.000 Again, reaching hundreds of millions of people a week on TikTok.

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00:32:05.000 Doctor, I want to now ask, will anyone face consequences or have any sort of judgment or justice for what's been done here?

00:32:14.000 And would you call them crimes?

00:32:17.000 Well, look, I have clear information in my possession.

00:32:24.000 Of the blockage that has been happening over the last four years.

00:32:30.000 And, you know, you notice I said it's not a conspiracy if it's true.

00:32:35.000 I'm not a politician and I'm not a lawyer.

00:32:39.000 But somebody will have to be able to investigate that and look into that.

00:32:43.000 I can't comment on whether it's considered a crime.

00:32:47.000 I consider it a moral issue.

00:32:57.000 And it wouldn't be right if this got approved in the rest of the world first when actually the innovation came from our country.

00:33:05.000 So what if you're, let's just say, if President Trump, I know you've met him on multiple occasions, and Bobby Kennedy, you have an uninterrupted audience with them, and you could have them do anything on this topic.

00:33:18.000 What would it be?

00:33:19.000 If you had the full force of the government behind your vision to solve this problem, what would that look like?

00:33:25.000 That any patient that's being treated for cancer and about to get a radiation, before they get the radiation, they get the BioShield.

00:33:35.000 The reason I'm saying that is I've already done that in patients with prostate cancer before they get the radiation and protected their lymphocytes.

00:33:45.000 And they've gotten a complete remission.

00:33:48.000 From a recurrence of prostate cancer.

00:33:51.000 And any patient who gets chemotherapy, before they get chemotherapy, to protect their lymphocytes by giving them the BioShield.

00:34:01.000 And in that case, we've already shown that in ovarian cancer patients, for example.

00:34:06.000 They got the full chemotherapy because that's what the standard of care wanted to be and we couldn't stop it.

00:34:12.000 But we gave them this lady the BioShield. 1.00

00:34:15.000 Her ovarian cancer disappeared and then she had surgery.

00:34:18.000 In other words, the treatment is the treatment of your immune system.

00:34:24.000 There's never been a treatment in the history of medicine to protect your immune system.

00:34:30.000 So via the full force of the government, this drug is already approved.

00:34:34.000 The indication or the mechanism is already approved.

00:34:38.000 We do not need regulatory blockade to say allow anybody to protect their lymphocytes.

00:34:44.000 So the recognition that there is no It's like saying there is an approved treatment for anemia.

00:34:56.000 You give a drug called epigen or you give blood transfusion.

00:35:00.000 Never in the history, but red blood cells don't cure cancer.

00:35:04.000 Never in the history of mankind has there been a treatment for lymphopenia, meaning your NK cells, until now.

00:35:14.000 What is ironic?

00:35:16.000 There are now, I'm counting, maybe 300 publications in the literature dating back to 1990 that if you have lymphopenia, meaning your loss of NK cells and T cells, you have early mortality regardless of the tumor type.

00:35:32.000 You have early mortality if you have sepsis.

00:35:35.000 You have early mortality if you have trauma.

00:35:38.000 So if I had the full power of the government, We have the opportunity to save millions of lives by allowing patients across the country and doctors to be educated, protect the immune system with the BioShield.

00:35:55.000 So, Doctor, I now want to ask you an unrelated question, but about your biography.

00:36:00.000 You purchased the Los Angeles Times.

00:36:02.000 Why did you do that?

00:36:04.000 And how does that fit in with your macro vision to improve the world and help humanity?

00:36:10.000 I did that because I wasn't smart.

00:36:14.000 You and Elon, you have a lot in common, you and Elon.

00:36:17.000 You love humanity and you decided to purchase, let's say, free speech platforms that are not exactly easy to manage.

00:36:26.000 So what happened was, as you know, Charlie, I was born in South Africa.

00:36:32.000 I grew up in apartheid.

00:36:36.000 I never saw a TV until the age of 21. My only education, believe it or not, was the newspaper.

00:36:46.000 I believed, by living the American dream, that we would have a platform that not only could educate, but could inspire and be honest with high integrity, in which people could trust and have a discourse, even if you disagree or agree, on a platform.

00:37:05.000 That was my belief of what I would do and allow this paper not to be destroyed, but to create that platform.

00:37:15.000 Unfortunately, I took my eye off the ball pre-COVID and during COVID.

00:37:19.000 And so it became an echo chamber rather than a free speech platform.

00:37:24.000 Well, I have to say, the courage that you have to purchase the LA Times made a decision not to endorse for the presidency.

00:37:32.000 Is that correct?

00:37:34.000 I'm sure that was warmly received.

00:37:38.000 To the extent my editors resigned, yeah, that was exactly warmly received.

00:37:42.000 So, look, it was around October, and obviously there was all heated in terms of where it was going, and my editorial board felt they wanted to endorse Kamala Harris, and I disagreed, and you're right.

00:38:03.000 Took the decision knowing the consequences of that decision.

00:38:09.000 That won't happen.

00:38:12.000 And as a consequence, my editorial board resigned and we lost thousands of viewers.

00:38:19.000 But so be it.

00:38:20.000 I think it's important to really have voices heard and truth be told and free speech.

00:38:28.000 Doctor, in closing, anything we did not cover that you want our audience to know, how people can support you, and we need to create a grassroots movement behind what you're talking about.

00:38:37.000 I couldn't be a firmer believer in this.

00:38:40.000 Please, final thoughts, Doctor.

00:38:42.000 Well, thank you so much, Charlie.

00:38:43.000 I think what we're doing is profound, simple but profound.

00:38:47.000 I think this president could have a legacy of not just a peace prize, a Nobel Peace Prize, which it really would be warranted, but having health.

00:38:58.000 As a bridge to create peace in the world.

00:39:01.000 Your audience are young, vigorous and important.

00:39:06.000 I'm fearful of increasing cancer in young people.

00:39:11.000 And if they could help, and you could help, in this campaign of awareness and cutting through the regulatory issues, Yes, totally.

00:39:21.000 Then we'd be forever grateful.

00:39:33.000 That would be a measurable improvement in the well-being of humanity.

00:39:38.000 And based on what you're saying, it can be done.

00:39:41.000 It can be done.

00:39:42.000 It's not only can be done, it is here.

00:39:44.000 That's what's frustrating.

00:39:46.000 I've proven it in Quilt.

00:39:47.000 If you look at QUILT, clintrials.gov, since 2017, I've done this in triple negative breast cancer, pancreatic cancer, headed neck cancer, Senator Reid, and bladder cancer.

00:40:02.000 It's not a theory, it's not a hypothesis, and it's not a drug that's not approved already.

00:40:09.000 So that's my level of frustration.

00:40:12.000 Dr. Patrick Soon-Shiong, thank you so much, and come back anytime.

00:40:15.000 We're behind you 100%.

00:40:16.000 Thank you.

00:40:18.000 Good seeing you again.

00:40:19.000 Thank you.

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00:40:22.000 If you want to learn more about Dr. Patrick, please go to charliekirk.com.

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00:40:27.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.

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The Charlie Kirk Show - June 04, 2025

Is The Cure To Cancer Right in Our Lap?

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