Dr. Patrick Soon-Shiong is a surgeon who has dedicated his entire career to stopping cancer. He is the founder and CEO of Immunity Bio and Executive Chairman of the Los Angeles Times. He believes that we have the key in our body called the "Natural Killer Cell" which could be the cure to cancer.
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00:02:59.000And then, so, is your main message this, that cancer isn't bad genes or something that's necessarily wrong with mutations, but is it your immune system failing?
00:03:10.000I think, you know, I was, as you said, I was in Saudi Arabia with the president and I was at Qatar.
00:03:16.000And I met with the Saudi Arabian regulatory authorities and given them all my information.
00:03:21.000They made an astounding, insightful statement that, Dr. Soon-Shiong, what you've figured out is that your immune system is a disease, meaning the loss of the natural killer cells, and cancer happens just to be a symptom.
00:03:40.000And never have we treated the root cause, i.e.
00:03:43.000the disease, which is the depletion of the natural killer cells in your body.
00:03:50.000And I said, wow, you really understood this.
00:03:54.000What is even more disconcerting is the understanding now that when we give high-dose chemotherapy, when we give high-dose radiation, thinking that we're helping the cancer patient, we're actually wiping out the natural killer cell.
00:04:14.000And are then surprised that the patient gets metastasis and spread and say we can't cure it.
00:04:21.000We have not been treating the actual root cause of the disease, which is the immune system, or the history of medicine.
00:04:29.000So let me try to just ask a question that I know our audience has.
00:04:35.000A, is it true that cancer rates are going up with young people in particular?
00:05:03.000You know, 60% of the population there are under 30. And your audience, the college audience, It's something that I am very worried about, meaning the following.
00:05:15.000I am now beginning to see the cancer rates not only going up, but going up in younger people.
00:05:20.000I've never seen a 10-year-old with colon cancer.
00:05:24.000I've never seen a 13-year-old with metastatic pancreatic cancer in my life.
00:05:29.000We are now seeing ovarian cancers in 20 or 21-year-olds.
00:05:33.000It is ridiculous what's going on, and I call that turbo cancers.
00:05:39.000You and I can delve into it, how we can delve into it, because I worry and your audience are now more aware and smarter and sophisticated with the social media to understand this is a real phenomenon.
00:06:08.000Is it a failure of the pharmaceutical companies?
00:06:11.000Because I can't imagine a 36-year-old friend of mine who, you know, he bikes, he regularly exercises, he moderately drinks, he gets colon cancer at age 36. We're supposed to be getting healthier, doctor.
00:06:25.000The promise of modernity was that every year we'd get healthier, but it seems as if we're getting sicker.
00:06:31.000So it is a combination of all, Charlie.
00:06:40.000What we eat is the dyes and everything that's been talked about with Secretary Robert Kennedy.
00:06:47.000The dyes that we eat, the issues, the toxins, the PFAS.
00:06:52.000The PFAS, which is actually used now as fertilizers, but it's what they call these never chemicals, but it's in our milk and it's our so-called organic foods.
00:07:01.000But then you combine that with two things I worry about.
00:07:05.000One is really the magnetic radiation that is happening.
00:07:11.000I don't know if you realize that our pilots in the military that's up in the air here are getting higher risk earlier of prostate cancer and bladder cancer.
00:07:21.000The idea that now when you get down to COVID, that the COVID, whether it be from the vaccine or from the infection, The COVID virus, if it persists in your body, is highly immunosuppressive.
00:07:37.000So if you have the combination of the wiping out of your immune system and at the same time the immune suppression of whatever you have, you're now beginning to see this rise of cancer.
00:07:50.000Colon cancer, pancreatic cancer, ovarian cancer, breast cancer, and very interestingly enough, I'm seeing so-called rare tumors that are no longer rare.
00:08:02.000So all these issues now coming to bear, and that's why I'm so excited by the discussions we had, both with the president and his team, as well as with the senior leaders at Saudi Arabia and Qatar, who desperately want to bring this BioShield to the world.
00:08:33.000Is this cancer problem happening in distant off lands like Qatar and Saudi Arabia as well, or is this uniquely an American phenomenon?
00:08:41.000We are now seeing a pandemic, not only in Qatar, in Africa and in the United States and in Canada.
00:08:47.000One of the biggest issues we've got in Qatar and in Saudi Arabia is colon cancer.
00:08:54.000And I have a fearful, fearful feeling.
00:08:58.000And this is now published, that the COVID virus is now residing in the colon two years after the infection.
00:09:08.000That's now been published by the University of San Francisco team.
00:09:12.000And more importantly, when it's there, the natural killer cells in that colon are completely diminished in terms of its activity.
00:09:21.000So it's not by coincidence we're seeing so much colon cancer.
00:09:25.000And what's exciting, at least for me, in the United States, we have now a trial which we almost fully recruited to prevent colon cancer in patients with Lynch syndrome with our BioShield.
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00:10:42.000So, let me just ask the elephant in the room question, if I can, Doctor, which is some of our audience is saying, Charlie, this must be the COVID shot, that it's the mRNA shot.
00:10:52.000I'm sure you get this question a lot, Doctor.
00:10:54.000In your expertise, is there any truth to that?
00:11:10.000So for us to understand the COVID vaccine as it currently was presented, which was the spike protein, that spike protein was what they call stabilized.
00:11:23.000And by so doing, it would enter any part of the body together with these, without going too deep into the technicalities, these lipid carriers.
00:11:36.000So the question is, would these spike proteins, together with a combined infection, cause replication in the body?
00:11:46.000And does that explain the myocarditis?
00:11:50.000Does it explain the autoimmune disease?
00:11:53.000Does it explain the residual replicating viruses in the colon?
00:12:00.000So absolutely, this needs to be understood and explored.
00:12:05.000I don't think there's a coincidence between this, what I call, turbo cancers.
00:12:11.000I get calls after calls of patients that were in remission and then got COVID, and now they have cancer.
00:12:18.000So I think this immune has been underestimated.
00:12:23.000The beauty is that BioShield can overcome this immunosuppression.
00:12:27.000The beauty is that this BioShield can clear this virus from the body, and that's what we're in trials now.
00:12:34.000Yeah, so I want to learn more about that.
00:12:36.000But first, you have such incredible clarity on this topic, which is rare.
00:12:41.000Because when I talk to people that are just, to say, part of the system that aren't creative, they are very ideological.
00:12:48.000You're not even allowed to explore these topics.
00:12:51.000How have you been treated by the big pharma incumbent actors?
00:12:56.000Have you been well-received with your approach and your line of questioning?
00:13:02.000Well, that's a very loaded question, and the great forward answer is not well received.
00:13:08.000I don't think any, just so you know, I've not taken one penny of Big Pharma money, and I've not taken one penny of government money.
00:13:15.000All the money that we've spent, and we've spent over a billion dollars in trying to understand this work, as you know, Charlie, I had the great fortune of living the American dream and selling my company so I can actually work on how we can cure cancer.
00:13:32.000I don't think curing cancer and avoiding high-dose chemotherapy, high-dose radiation, high-dose checkpoint inhibitors acts in the interest of big pharma.
00:13:41.000And I think, you know, there's incentives that I'm fighting against.
00:13:48.000And even large academic medical centers where it's really a great profit center to give high-dose chemotherapy and radiation.
00:13:57.000So I suppose I just had to face that, understood that.
00:14:02.000And as you may know, many years ago, when you tried to help me solve healthcare, when you were young, Charlie Kirk, and if I had known how successful you would have been on Tuning Point, I would never have let you actually out of my sight.
00:14:38.000And I just can't compliment your work enough because it is so needed because I'm seeing young friends of mine suffer by this exploding cancer epidemic.
00:14:49.000And so I, You remember President Trump got shot at Butler?
00:15:51.000Either every week or every three weeks with his father.
00:15:54.000And it was so tragic because by the time I saw him, it was all through his body.
00:16:01.000And this is driving me nuts as a physician.
00:16:03.000It's driving me nuts that we can allow that to stand.
00:16:09.000So all of this that I'm talking about is truly as a physician and somebody that's, you know, trying to find out what's exciting and at the same time frustration.
00:16:52.000Yes, and not because of any lifestyle choice that they have made.
00:16:57.000For example, if you get lung cancer at age of 61, you are a lifelong smoker.
00:17:01.000I'm not saying you deserve it, but there was definitely an understanding of risk when you're doing that.
00:17:07.000If you're getting colon cancer or prostate cancer after a lifetime of drinking, I'm not saying you deserve it, but there was some human agency.
00:17:16.000But if you're 14 years old and you have cancer spreading throughout your entire body, you didn't do anything to deserve that.
00:17:23.000There was nothing that you did, doctor.
00:17:30.000I mean, we had the pandemic of the COVID.
00:17:34.000And by the way, I argued in 2020 to the powers that be, whether it be Fauci, Collins, the Biden administration, that unless you clear the virus, You're never going to prevent the spread.
00:17:48.000And if you don't clear the virus, there's really prices to pay of losing your natural killer cells.
00:17:57.000And those warnings were not taken at all during that administration.
00:18:16.000And essentially, instead of having to take all these pharmacological agents or potentially damaging treatments like chemotherapy or radiation, you allow God's design to do the work for you.
00:18:43.000The current chemotherapy and radiation actually kills the exact immune system you're trying to protect.
00:18:49.000So inadvertently, all these dollars that we spent and all the profits that have been made by Big Pharma and everything actually has not won the war.
00:19:03.000It may have won the battle slightly, but immediately you can get metastasis.
00:19:07.000So the question you ask is, how does this BioShield work?
00:19:11.000God has given us the ability to kill cancer with this natural killer cell.
00:19:19.000What we call that natural killer cell and T-cell in medical terms, lymphocytes.
00:19:26.000So we understand when we take a CBC and we can look and we can see the red blood cells and treat anemia, there's never been a treatment ever in the history of medicine to activate these lymphocytes.
00:19:42.000Which are the natural killer cells and T cells because we couldn't figure out the key that would turn them on in your body that would last long enough with a single jab.
00:19:52.000So all this is is literally a protein that your body makes called IL-15.
00:20:00.000We have figured out a way to take this IL-15 and put it into a vial which is a natural protein that your body makes but allow it to last long and activate Tenfold your natural killer cells and T-cells in your body.
00:20:16.000So your body is the factory of these lymphocytes, and we give you that jab.
00:20:21.000We, however, in addition to that, have figured out a way to take blood from yourself, your own blood, or from somebody else, and in our lab, grow these natural killer cells into billions.
00:20:37.000We can now target these natural killer cells and infuse them back into you.
00:20:41.000So now we have just supplemented, augmented, and supercharged your immune system and used exactly what God has given us to design to kill cancer.
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00:22:07.000Are they pursuing treatments like this?
00:22:11.000Because this seems so self-evident, and dare I say, this is a permanent and much more lasting approach than what some of the alternative theories are.
00:23:01.000So 10 years ago, we put it into patients in our phase one, and guess what?
00:23:06.000Those patients are still alive with their bladder 10 years out and with a great quality of life.
00:23:13.000We have patients with metastatic pancreatic cancer, and you know with metastatic pancreatic cancer that the lifespan is very limited.
00:23:23.000We published a paper with five-year data of metastatic pancreatic cancer, completely free of disease at that time.
00:23:32.000You know there's another disease called Merkel cell carcinoma, which is a very aggressive tumor in the skin like a melanoma.
00:23:41.000We have patients now out six years free of disease, seven years free of disease.
00:23:45.000What does this mean is that we not only have supercharged the immune system, we've taught the immune system to have what we call T cell memory and in so doing So that's what we do.
00:24:07.000Conceptually, what we do differently from anybody else is, as you recall, many years ago, in fact, that's when we were playing basketball together, I thought that maybe the cancer we could treat.
00:24:29.000I soon realized that this cancer on the inside has got so many fail-safe pathways, tens of them.
00:25:40.000What in the last five years have you learned that was, if anything, an aha moment that has given you even more clarity in this fight against cancer?
00:25:49.000You know, what's given more clarity was actually not even the last five years, in the last six months.
00:25:54.000As I've been walking around trying to explain this idea that the disease is the immune system, that the fundamental flaw of early mortality or fundamental cause of early mortality is the loss or the collapse of the immune system.
00:26:44.000With sepsis in the ICU, got approval with a patient with central valley fever that his entire lung was filled with this fungus.
00:26:55.000And we gave, unfortunately, the patient to the last, right almost, an ICU for one month on the ventilator, gave them our bio-shield, and in case cells had been fused, and remarkably, the lungs cleared up completely.
00:27:14.000Not just the aha moment, it's oh my goodness, this bio shield has implications not only for the nation but for the world.
00:27:23.000And I'm so pleased that, you know, I saw the shout out that President Trump gave to you with how you helped bring the younger population to be aware that with this president who is now aware of this bio shield could make this happen.
00:27:43.000When the other previous administration really almost put blocks in the way.
00:28:11.000The reason I'm in this suit and fancy-wancy here is because I just had a meeting with the FDA and some other officials to truly explain the urgency of this because, as you know, Charlie, I've never been on podcasts until now, and I just did one three or four months ago, and we got thousands of requests.
00:28:51.000It's approved just for bladder cancer.
00:28:54.000And inside the approval, it actually states legally in the package insert that this bio-shield is, to my knowledge, the only molecule on the planet that stimulates NK cells, T cells.
00:29:08.000And memory T-cells without immune suppression.
00:29:11.000So the empowerment for the nation is to get aware, to be aware of this availability.
00:29:17.000I have to work my way through the regulatory stuff that goes through.
00:29:24.000And that's one of the reasons why I was in Riyadh.
00:29:28.000Because the Middle East have committed to me that they will make this available to the Middle East within 100 days, next 100 days.
00:29:38.000So the empowerment is for people to be firstly understanding of the fact that our clinic is now fully overwhelmed.
00:29:53.000I want this to be available to the country.
00:30:08.000And what more important is to prevent patients from dying from radiation.
00:30:14.000Not being treated by the radiation, but dying, getting metastasis from the radiation.
00:30:18.000and that could be prevented with a bio shield.
00:30:21.000So I suppose it is an active campaign, Charlie, just like you have where, you know, folks, when they even had HIV, This needs to be made available.
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00:33:05.000So what if you're, let's just say, if President Trump, I know you've met him on multiple occasions, and Bobby Kennedy, you have an uninterrupted audience with them, and you could have them do anything on this topic.
00:33:19.000If you had the full force of the government behind your vision to solve this problem, what would that look like?
00:33:25.000That any patient that's being treated for cancer and about to get a radiation, before they get the radiation, they get the BioShield.
00:33:35.000The reason I'm saying that is I've already done that in patients with prostate cancer before they get the radiation and protected their lymphocytes.
00:33:45.000And they've gotten a complete remission.
00:35:16.000There are now, I'm counting, maybe 300 publications in the literature dating back to 1990 that if you have lymphopenia, meaning your loss of NK cells and T cells, you have early mortality regardless of the tumor type.
00:35:32.000You have early mortality if you have sepsis.
00:35:35.000You have early mortality if you have trauma.
00:35:38.000So if I had the full power of the government, We have the opportunity to save millions of lives by allowing patients across the country and doctors to be educated, protect the immune system with the BioShield.
00:35:55.000So, Doctor, I now want to ask you an unrelated question, but about your biography.
00:36:36.000I never saw a TV until the age of 21. My only education, believe it or not, was the newspaper.
00:36:46.000I believed, by living the American dream, that we would have a platform that not only could educate, but could inspire and be honest with high integrity, in which people could trust and have a discourse, even if you disagree or agree, on a platform.
00:37:05.000That was my belief of what I would do and allow this paper not to be destroyed, but to create that platform.
00:37:15.000Unfortunately, I took my eye off the ball pre-COVID and during COVID.
00:37:19.000And so it became an echo chamber rather than a free speech platform.
00:37:24.000Well, I have to say, the courage that you have to purchase the LA Times made a decision not to endorse for the presidency.
00:37:38.000To the extent my editors resigned, yeah, that was exactly warmly received.
00:37:42.000So, look, it was around October, and obviously there was all heated in terms of where it was going, and my editorial board felt they wanted to endorse Kamala Harris, and I disagreed, and you're right.
00:38:03.000Took the decision knowing the consequences of that decision.
00:38:20.000I think it's important to really have voices heard and truth be told and free speech.
00:38:28.000Doctor, in closing, anything we did not cover that you want our audience to know, how people can support you, and we need to create a grassroots movement behind what you're talking about.
00:38:37.000I couldn't be a firmer believer in this.
00:38:43.000I think what we're doing is profound, simple but profound.
00:38:47.000I think this president could have a legacy of not just a peace prize, a Nobel Peace Prize, which it really would be warranted, but having health.
00:38:58.000As a bridge to create peace in the world.
00:39:01.000Your audience are young, vigorous and important.
00:39:06.000I'm fearful of increasing cancer in young people.
00:39:11.000And if they could help, and you could help, in this campaign of awareness and cutting through the regulatory issues, Yes, totally.
00:39:47.000If you look at QUILT, clintrials.gov, since 2017, I've done this in triple negative breast cancer, pancreatic cancer, headed neck cancer, Senator Reid, and bladder cancer.
00:40:02.000It's not a theory, it's not a hypothesis, and it's not a drug that's not approved already.