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00:03:00.000Hey, Charlie, thanks for having me again.
00:03:03.000So Steve, I want to just dive right into this article that you wrote here on your Substack.
00:03:08.000Proof that Israel found serious safety problems with the COVID vaccines, then deliberately covered it up.
00:03:16.000Now, this caught my attention for a couple of reasons.
00:03:18.000The first of which is that the scientific standard set forth by the Israeli scientific community is well respected amongst laymen across the world.
00:03:28.000I remember many people said, Charlie, I'm going to take the vaccine because the Israeli scientists say it's okay.
00:03:36.000Well, you know, that was the common understanding.
00:03:39.000And in fact, you know, when I first met Robert Malone, and he was telling me that the U.S. agencies actually rely on the Israelis because the Israelis have a much better healthcare system and records and tracking and so forth.
00:03:56.000And he said that in the U.S., it's just a mess.
00:03:59.000We rely in the U.S. on reporting from states, and often that reporting is unreliable.
00:04:06.000It's very late, and we get the data in just a very haphazard way.
00:04:13.000And so I had heard that the U.S. agencies relied upon the Israeli data for their safety data.
00:04:24.000So, but what did you find, and you articulated in this article, about how Israel, which in some ways is the influencer amongst influencers, they knew that the vaccine had safety problems and then they deliberately covered it up.
00:04:37.000What you're alleging here is an intentional campaign of deceit and of misleading.
00:04:46.000I mean, if this is not, if this is not mass fabrication, I don't know what is.
00:04:51.000I mean, this is a huge scandal, crimes against humanity by the Israeli government.
00:05:01.000There is no way that you can look at this and come to any other conclusion other than this was deliberate fraud in order to cover up all of the issues with the vaccination program.
00:05:14.000So the details are that Israel, sort of unspent to us, didn't actually have a very good vaccine monitoring program.
00:05:23.000In fact, it was worse than the vaccine monitoring program that we have in the United States, which is known as the VERES system, the vaccine adverse event reporting system, which is a voluntary reporting system, and it tends to be underreported by at least a factor of 41.
00:05:39.000So anytime you hear a number from the VARES system, and you have to be careful whether you're hearing the numbers that are domestic only versus worldwide, because often you go to openviras.com, that by default is the worldwide numbers.
00:05:55.000The U.S. numbers are about half that, but you have to take that and multiply by 41.
00:06:07.000And so this occurred throughout the first year of the vaccination program, where the Israelis really weren't tracking the adverse event data.
00:06:17.000And when there was some Facebook post where they asked for some information and they got bombarded with these adverse event reports that were coming in over and over and over again.
00:06:31.000And what the Israeli government did is they deleted these posts in order to make it look like there were only a few complaints.
00:06:40.000So they clearly knew back then that these adverse events were much worse and much more frequent than they were telling people.
00:06:52.000But they knew internally that there was nothing going on for the first 12 months in terms of data collection.
00:07:00.000So what they did is they started a data collection program in December of 2021 in order to collect the safety data.
00:07:08.000It's, you know, kind of like better late than never.
00:07:13.000And at the same time they did that, they employed an outside team of experts to help them collect the data.
00:07:22.000And so that data collection happened between December of 2021 and May of 2022.
00:07:33.000And then there was a meeting on June, it was early June, probably June 6th or somewhere around there, between the experts who had gathered the data and the representatives from the Ministry of Health.
00:07:48.000Now, the top person at the Ministry of Health who's in charge of this was not present at that meeting because she probably had something more important to do.
00:08:20.000They found that instead of these vaccine events being short-term and mild, they were instead long-term and serious.
00:08:30.000With in the case of neurological events, 65% of them were unresolved, meaning that they could be permanent, but certainly they were not resolved within the period of time when they were surveying people in terms of their response.
00:08:48.000So, you know, looking at 18 months worth of actual evidence, but only collecting it over the last six months.
00:08:57.000So, in other words, if you got somebody in the last six months, you collected their data, you're collecting their data from when they got the shot.
00:09:03.000So, what they found was exactly opposite to what the people were being told.
00:09:09.000So, now the right thing to do in a situation like that is to come out immediately and tell people, hey, sorry, we made a mistake.
00:09:23.000We were telling you it's mild and short-term, and we lied to you.
00:09:30.000And they should have come clean at that point.
00:09:32.000But what they did is they spent two months in order to figure out how to present the data so that it would be like nothing to see here, folks, move along.
00:09:58.000Those are the three things, long-term, serious, and causality.
00:10:02.000Those are the three things they discovered.
00:10:04.000In fact, this is the first respected organization to actually find causality, that the vaccines actually caused serious side effects as opposed to, oh, you know, correlation, correlation isn't causality, which is what you typically hear.
00:10:23.000There's so many things I want to ask you about this, but why are we just learning about this now?
00:10:28.000Well, we're learning about this now because someone on that call recorded secretly the call, and nobody knew that they were being recorded.
00:10:41.000If they knew they were being recorded, I think they might have acted differently.
00:10:45.000But people believed that this was a confidential meeting.
00:10:50.000So this is a new revelation of a secret call that is now, it should be worldwide news.
00:10:56.000It should be front page of Wall Street Journal news.
00:11:00.000But there is an agenda here behind the vaccine industry that I think is so sinister where you can't have discourse, you can't have dialogue, any sort of information gets suppressed.
00:11:11.000But Steve Kirsch is a glitch in the matrix, $20 million Democrat donor who took the vaccine and is now on a crusade of truth just to tell people the truth.
00:11:30.000Are you like every one of us that thinks our country has gone nuts, whether it's Russia Gate market crashes or selling oil to China or this insane inflation?
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00:12:30.000So Steve, I'm going to play a piece of tape here, and then you're going to tell us what we're listening to and walk our audience through it.
00:14:10.000And re-challenge means that if you get the vaccine, never had any neurological problems before, suddenly develop neurological problems.
00:14:20.000Now, those neurological problems either go away in time or they remain the same.
00:14:24.000Now, when you're given then the second vaccine, because you believe that those neurological problems were just coincidence, you get the second vaccine.
00:14:32.000So what happens then either is the neurological problem then returns after they got the vaccine, or if it was stable, then it got worse.
00:14:42.000And so that's known as a re-challenge.
00:14:45.000And it is a hallmark of, A, this is causality.
00:14:52.000When there's a dose-response relationship, when you re-challenge the same person and you get the same effect happening again in the same person whenever you apply the stimulus, that is cause and effect.
00:15:06.000It's like if you swing the golf club and you hit the golf ball and it travels 240 yards the first time, and you do it again, you repeat it with the golf club and it goes 250 yards this time, and you repeat it again, it goes 220 yards this time, and when you don't swing the club, the ball stays on the tee.
00:15:24.000Okay, so you say, well, that's causality.
00:15:27.000When you swing the club at the ball and you hit the ball, it goes 200 yards.
00:15:30.000It's probably the club that caused the ball to fly.
00:15:48.000This was never acknowledged by the CDC.
00:15:52.000It was never acknowledged by anyone in the entire world.
00:15:56.000It was only acknowledged by people like me who, as soon as we looked at the VARES system, we saw these neurological problems coming up out of our ears.
00:16:07.000And every time we would talk to a vaccine, someone who got the vaccine and was injured, they would always be reporting neurological problems.
00:16:14.000So we had no doubt whatsoever that neurological problems were being caused by the vaccines.
00:16:19.000But the CDC and the drug companies would deny this and they say, no, that's just coincidence.
00:17:27.000Now, it's made public to the entire world on August 20th of this big problem.
00:17:33.000And do you think anybody even wants to see the data?
00:17:37.000Now, you would think that the health authorities, that public health officials, lawmakers, the mainstream media, infectious disease professors all over the world would say, hey, I want to see the data.
00:17:51.000Or the CDC would certainly say, I want to see the data.
00:17:54.000The FDA would say, I want to see the data.
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00:20:01.000This is the message recently communicated by the Ministry of Health in Israel to the public.
00:20:07.000Unfortunately, the research team commissioned had very different conclusions.
00:20:13.000In the discussion in which the research team reports its finding to the Ministry of Health, they found many long-term side effects with causal relations to the vaccines not listed by Pfizer.
00:20:26.000So just to make sure I'm understanding this correctly, the allegation is the government of Israel knew that this vaccine was damaging their citizens.
00:20:36.000They covered it up, deleted entries, and then lied to the world about it.
00:20:59.000You know, bad things happen to people who speak out against the narrative.
00:21:03.000You know, when I spoke out against the narrative more than a year ago, because I had heard stories, I didn't become, I wasn't born to be an anti-vaxxer.
00:21:14.000You know, I've had all the vaccines that were offered to me.
00:21:18.000I believe that the vaccines were safe and effective at the time.
00:21:21.000I subsequently discovered that none of the vaccines are safe and effective.
00:21:26.000And they all, there's no science behind any of these.
00:21:30.000They haven't done the studies and they don't do the studies because they know the studies would be negative.
00:21:34.000So we're being asked to take these vaccinations with, man, nobody asked their doctor to say, hey, can I see the cost-benefit justification, the all-cause mortality, all-cause morbidity analysis in the aftermarket where the study was done by someone other than the drug company by an unbiased testing organization.
00:22:30.000And the fact that this is happening is being covered up.
00:22:32.000And nobody wants to talk about it because everybody who talks about it gets in trouble.
00:22:37.000In fact, even in California, they were going to pass a bill to basically go after any doctor that spoke against what the mainstream consensus was.
00:22:48.000So dissent is essentially we're going to make sure that we legislate out scientific dissent so that everybody has to say the same thing.
00:23:01.000I've never seen that end up with, you don't get the best outcomes when you silence dissent.
00:23:08.000You get the best outcomes when the party who has one point of view meets with the party that has the other point of view and they engage in active discussion.
00:23:16.000And that's the way we settle differences in this country, or at least it used to be.
00:23:20.000But now it's turning out to be if you have a difference with someone, you settle it by making sure that you Silence, deplatform, intimidate the other party, and make sure that that party, that other party is never heard from again.
00:23:39.000That's not the way that we should be settling our scientific differences in America.
00:23:47.000There is no, there's nothing in the scientific literature, in fact, in any peer-reviewed scientific study that shows that if you censor people you disagree with, that that results in better outcomes, better medical outcomes.
00:24:07.000Well, you know, that we're doing it in order to please our masters because Joe Biden has said that he wants to vaccinate everyone.
00:24:14.000Tony Fauci has proclaimed that the vaccine is the only way out of the pandemic.
00:24:21.000And therefore, if you are against the vaccine, you are anti-science.
00:24:25.000And so he has created this false perception.
00:24:28.000And Tony, of course, is credited as the person who funded the SARS-CoV-2, the creation of the SARS-CoV-2 virus.
00:24:36.000So not only did he create the virus, but then he led this campaign, which has caught, which has actually killed more people than the virus has.
00:24:46.000And on top of that, Tony is making money every time you get a Moderna shot in your arm.
00:25:27.000So let me ask you, though, just to make sure I understand, I've heard this before.
00:25:31.000I have not seen it thoroughly reported on.
00:25:34.000In fact, we got fact-checked, fact-checked by a social media site.
00:25:37.000Are you saying that we don't know the royalty payments that the highest paid employee of the government receives from vaccine manufacturers?
00:26:21.000Tony has a way of misinterpreting questions that is unprecedented, I think, in the history of Congress, for someone in that position to be not being able to understand simple questions like what is gain of function research.
00:26:39.000So it doesn't surprise me that Tony answers the question in a way that wasn't intended.
00:26:46.000But you see, there are royalty payments.
00:26:49.000It's not the Moderna vaccine, Charlie.
00:27:30.000Now, explain to me how that, how the American people wouldn't want to know that and wouldn't have a right to know how much people in their government, the people who are mandating these vaccines, don't we get to know how much they're getting a kickback on these vaccination programs?
00:27:53.000So, Tony, how is it even legal for you to be a government employee and receive kickbacks?
00:29:08.000I mean, all the people who are my friends, you know, they all know, you know, because it's very obvious what the connections are and the funding and all this.
00:29:19.000You have to go and do the research and the mainstream media doesn't seem to want to have any interest in this.
00:29:25.000You know, Professor Jeffrey Sachs certainly spent two years doing this at the behest of the Lancet.
00:29:31.000And Jeffrey Sachs found out, hey, you know, this virus came out of U.S. biotechnology.
00:31:05.000I mean, for goodness sake, I mean, you have a guy that's running the public health agencies that doesn't have to be transparent about what he gets from the very companies that are basically steering all public health.
00:31:52.000Nobody wants to see that presentation.
00:31:54.000Let's play cut 21 saying that you're going to need your recurring booster shot, play cut 21.
00:32:01.000It is becoming increasingly clear that looking forward with the COVID-19 pandemic, in the absence of a dramatically different variant, we likely are moving towards a path with a vaccination cadence similar to that of the annual influenza vaccine with annual updated COVID-19 shots.
00:32:22.000We don't know how much money he's making off that advice.
00:32:57.000Virtually nobody in Israel is complying with what the government is telling them.
00:33:05.000You went from nearly 100% compliance to now only 2.4% of the population in Israel is currently considered to be vaccinated by the government's own standards.
00:33:27.00098% of the people in Israel are saying no to the vaccination, meaning that all of their privileges can be cut off and they're treated as, oh, you're an unvaccinated pariah.
00:33:43.000In other words, 2.4% of the people are saying, hey, you know, we're vaccinated and we are going to disenfranchise the 98% of the Israeli population who is refusing to get updated to the vaccine.
00:34:01.000Now, if you look at the science behind the updates in the U.S., that it's a two-variant vaccine that you get, one for the Wuhan strain, and the other one is for the Omicron strain.
00:34:17.000Now, the Omicron resistance that you get, in other words, the antibody that are produced are variable.
00:34:25.000They're a factor of 70 difference in the eight mice that they injected, which is a huge difference.
00:34:35.000In other words, it's very, very unreliable in producing antibodies against Omicron.
00:34:40.000But how effective were those antibodies against Omicron?
00:34:44.000Every single one of the eight mice that were given Omicron that were challenged with Omicron ended up being infected with Omicron.
00:34:55.000In other words, the study that they did with the eight mice showed that the vaccine was completely ineffective, 100% ineffective, 0% efficacy in protecting people against getting the infection.
00:35:11.000Whereas in the original vaccines against the Wuhan strain, they claimed, oh, it would reduce infections by 95%.
00:35:22.000Now, when the trials show that the infection reduction is zero, they say approved.
00:35:30.000It's a rubber stamp, and they didn't even go to the outside committees to get their opinion on it.
00:35:36.000It was so obvious to them that the drug didn't have any clinical benefit at all, and therefore the FDA approved it without even going to the outside committee.
00:35:47.000And so, you're going to be required to get that double vaccination by your employer, by the government, whatever.
00:35:58.000Tony's going to get even richer as long as he remains at NIAID.
00:36:04.000And, you know, of course, this is why he was planning on remaining for a long time, but I think he's realizing that once the Senate turns over, he could be in deep trouble.
00:36:16.000And I think that's why he's running for the hills and it'll probably be really hard to find in an undisclosed location.
00:36:23.000Yeah, here's my prediction for Anthony Fauci.
00:36:26.000He buys a villa in the south of France and gets French citizenship because he knows that France doesn't extradite their own citizens to America.