The war between Iran and Israel continues, should America get involved? We do a sober take on regime change, and we have a full conversation with Charlie Kirk, founder of Turning Point USA, on this episode of The Charlie Kirk Show.
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00:02:42.000Now, the best possible outcome for Israel would be that Israel gets to hit all their targets, they get in, they get out, they get to declare victory, so on and so forth.
00:03:33.000But then who is to blame if we get then hit by Iran?
00:03:39.000Yes, of course, obviously it's Iran, but is Israel trying to drag America into this war?
00:03:45.000They're saying, no, we are not publicly.
00:03:47.000Other reports internally say, yes, they are.
00:03:51.000America is involved in some defensive capacity, which is totally justifiable.
00:03:56.000There's probably over 700,000 Americans in Israel right now, and we've long done that alongside the Jordanians, so it's not America only that is doing that.
00:04:06.000Some people are pushing for regime change.
00:04:09.000I have a very important write-up that I want to share with you about regime change.
00:04:14.000We do not have time for that right now in this segment.
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00:06:55.000We are joined now by a great man, Rabbi Pasak Willicki, columnist from the Jerusalem Post, host of the Shoulder Podcast, and he is live from Israel as they just endured another major ballistic volley, salvo from Iran.
00:07:27.000It's a bit unique in terms of what we dealt with.
00:07:29.000For most of the war that we've undergone, all of the rocket fire and the ballistic missile fire at us has been, almost all of it has been shot down.
00:07:38.000But over these last few days, there have been a number of direct hits and there are casualties in Israel's population centers.
00:07:44.000So that is casting a bit of a pall on things.
00:07:47.000However, and this has been in all different reports, you know, coming out of all different sectors, the Israeli people are wall to wall.
00:07:58.000I've never seen a national consensus quite like this.
00:08:01.000In fact, Yair Lapid, who is the uber-left, Bibi-hating, he's kind of like our equivalent of Nancy Pelosi for you.
00:08:08.000He's kind of the head of the opposition, and he is the wokest, most anti-Bibi political figure.
00:08:13.000Published an op-ed in the Jerusalem Post today.
00:08:17.000Basically saying the entire Israeli people are united.
00:08:20.000And that was a very powerful statement to make the point.
00:08:22.000Here's the guy on the left end of the spectrum, the guy who leads the charge to try to take down Bibi, saying on this thing.
00:08:29.000And he's been calling for ending the war and that whole anti-Bibi protest movement.
00:08:35.000But he published that op-ed today to make the point.
00:08:38.000And I hope your audience hears it loud and clear.
00:08:40.000The Israeli people are wall-to-wall behind this.
00:08:42.000The casualties in Tel Aviv, which is our...
00:08:48.000There have been interviews all over the media of people whose houses have been destroyed saying this is worth it if it ends the Iranian threat once and for all.
00:09:47.000So the military strategy starting from the beginning of this was, first of all, there was Mossad operatives on the ground who assembled drones on the ground that were used for a lot of the initial strikes.
00:09:59.000Those operations, as I understand it, are continuing.
00:10:02.000In fact, I understand that there was actually a Mossad headquarters in Tehran, if you could believe it.
00:10:07.000And so, so not all of these They are doing that as well.
00:10:20.000I don't know all the details, but I know that as ballistic missiles are fired at Israel, each one of those ballistic missiles that's fired then reveals a location from which ballistic missiles are fired.
00:10:47.000And I should add, and this is important for your audience, there's a lot of kind of reductionist black and white thinking about this.
00:10:53.000This isn't only about taking out the nuclear sites.
00:10:56.000Israel has been terrorized and Israelis have been murdered by the Iranian regime for decades and decades.
00:11:01.000And this is about taking out Iran's ballistic missile capability, taking out their military capability, because this is a regime that is, by its own daily statements in parliament and at the beginning of every school day in every classroom, devoted to the genocide of the Jewish people and the destruction of Israel.
00:11:18.000So this is really about destroying Iran's capability to harm Israel.
00:11:23.000I don't know all the details of all the different places that they're striking.
00:11:29.000What I do know is that from my sources in the Israeli government and the Israeli military, we are way ahead of schedule, meaning the operation has moved along much more quickly with much greater success than was even anticipated.
00:11:41.000If someone had told you before this, and there was a lot of fear-mongering going on before this of all the terrible things that would happen, and of course it's not over yet, but if someone had told you before this started that within a day, You would have been told that you were crazy and that the Israelis don't have that capability.
00:12:09.000And there's a lot of other capabilities that Israel has that the naysayers are still saying that Israel does not have.
00:12:15.000So as far as I can tell, as far as I understand it, the operation is moving along more quickly than even expected, but there are still many more targets.
00:12:23.000I'm hearing that it's expected to be weeks-long operation, but how long it's going to go is really going to be determined.
00:12:30.000At what point is the threat neutralized?
00:12:33.000You know, if your kid is sick and you're by their bedside and someone says, how long are you going to hang out by this bedside?
00:12:38.000You don't say, well, I have a timeline on it.
00:12:42.000And our children are under attack every day.
00:12:44.000Our families are under attack every day.
00:12:46.000We've been under attack for a long, long time.
00:12:48.000We haven't had the opportunity to do this because we had hundreds of thousands of Hezbollah rockets aimed at us.
00:12:54.000We had a Hamas army that was a significant army, and we had Iran basically controlling Syria.
00:13:01.000There were a lot of other threats that made it impossible to take down the primary threat, which stands behind all of those other threats.
00:13:08.000But back in October, Israel took out The majority of Iran's air defenses, which were Russian-built air defenses that Israel took out, Iran recently started rebuilding them, and that's what really led to the urgency.
00:13:20.000Again, another piece of misinformation is this whole debate about how close Iran was to the bomb.
00:13:28.000The relevant point is how, you know, if someone is vowing to kill me and is They've also taken action throughout the years, trying to kill me and hiring people to kill me and coming after me to kill me.
00:13:46.000My decision about when to take them out is not only based on how imminent is the danger.
00:13:51.000It's based on when do I have the opportunity to do it.
00:13:54.000And with Iran's air defenses degraded last October, Israel realized that the time is now to finally, once and for all, deal with this Iranian threat.
00:14:06.000I got lots of text messages this weekend saying there's a big push for U.S. involvement, specifically for bunker buster bombs.
00:14:13.000Do you think that's necessary or needed?
00:14:16.000We certainly here in America are very skeptical and cautious towards that.
00:14:20.000Yeah, there's a lot of—I see this talk a lot also, Charlie, on social media and elsewhere about Israel calling for U.S. involvement, Israel wanting U.S. involvement.
00:14:29.000All I can say is both from an interview given by Israel's foreign minister on CNN yesterday, but also from today, the National Security Council head, Sachi Hanegbi, who's really been—if you ever see a picture of the Security Council, the Security Cabinet in an Israel meeting, he's always the guy sitting to the right of Prime Minister Netanyahu.
00:14:47.000He said today in mass media, and it was quoted on X, that the war was planned by Israel.
00:14:57.000We do not need the U.S. for the goals that are defined by the war.
00:15:01.000We can handle it ourselves, including Fordow.
00:15:04.000As far as I can tell, and I'm very well-sourced, Charlie, the Israeli establishment, the Israeli government, the Israeli leadership is not asking for U.S. involvement.
00:15:15.000I know there's a lot of misinformation about this, but they are not asking for U.S. involvement.
00:15:19.000If that's the case, then all foreign aid can be cut to Israel?
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00:16:50.000And then can we have agreement that we should not have bunker buster B-52 type material supplied to Israel?
00:16:59.000Listen, the Israelis, I'm going to say it again, the Israelis have not asked the United States for their assistance.
00:17:05.000Publicly, statements have been made by the top echelons of the Israeli government saying that They're not requesting U.S. assistance.
00:17:13.000They've informed the U.S. of what they're doing.
00:17:15.000What the Americans decide to do, what they decide is in American interest, they will decide to do.
00:17:21.000Israel's not going to refuse an offer of assistance if it comes from the Americans, and then if American citizens are upset about that, that's between Americans and their government.
00:17:30.000Israel's not requesting this assistance.
00:17:33.000But the question you left us with before the break, if we could talk about that.
00:17:38.000Can we go there and talk about the U.S. aid?
00:17:41.000Because, you know, you asked the question about, you know, cutting off aid to Israel.
00:17:45.000Look, I am one of a number of voices, and I get flack from this here in Israel, from people who disagree, of course, but I'm with Prime Minister Netanyahu, who said just about a month ago, And I've been calling for that.
00:18:04.000There's a number of Knesset members who have started calling for that.
00:18:07.000And I'm in favor of ending the aid to Israel.
00:18:11.000And to me, the political cost of the aid is not worth it, but also it ties Israel's hands.
00:18:18.000we are right now nearing the end of a 10-year memorandum of understanding that was signed at the tail end of the Obama administration in September 2016, a military aid package to Israel.
00:18:29.000And that package, when you say like ending the aid, that package included a requirement that Israel shut down certain critical parts of its own weapons industry so that they could not make them themselves and would only be able to acquire them by buying them from the It's kind of a bait and switch.
00:18:59.000So we can't cold Turkey cut off the aid because Israel needs to have an opportunity to rebuild that part of its weapons industry that Obama.
00:19:09.000So I am in favor of getting rid of the aid.
00:19:13.000Let me also add in, Charlie, we have to put the aid into proper perspective.
00:19:17.000And it's something that's really missing from the whole conversation.
00:19:20.000If you look at a map of where the United States has military bases around the world, and this is available online, you'll see that there are American military bases in numerous Middle Eastern countries around Israel.
00:19:35.000There's other countries in the area that have American bases in them.
00:19:39.000What does it cost to operate those bases?
00:19:42.000You know, there's no U.S. base in Israel.
00:19:46.000And so the U.S. military aid, I'm not saying that's what its purpose is necessarily, but no one refers to the U.S. bases in Jordan as U.S. aid to Jordan.
00:20:37.000And Prime Minister Netanyahu has said this, that we need to move towards drawing down the aid completely.
00:20:41.000A final point I'll make, Charlie, is that the amount of money that the United States has poured into Ukraine, and I'm opposed to all of that.
00:20:50.000But the amount of money that the U.S. has poured into Ukraine since the start of that war is greater than the total amount of money that Israel has received in aid from the United States since the state of Israel was born in 1948.
00:21:30.000The only reason that Israel didn't do what it's doing now, on October 8th, when Hezbollah started firing ballistic missiles at our northern communities, was because we had other enemies facing us that we had to deal with.
00:21:42.000So this is the same war that was started on October 7th.
00:22:00.000And how the Iranian people, whether the existing government moderates, whether there is a regime change from within, that is up to the Iranian people.
00:22:10.000The Israelis are not going to impose anything, and we're not going to put troops on the ground there to do it.
00:22:13.000Rabbi Pasek Woleki, thank you so much.
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00:23:36.000I don't think I need to prove that any further.
00:23:38.000I have the scars to prove that I'm pro-Israel from all the campus events.
00:23:43.000Iran's Ayatollahs are weaker than ever.
00:23:45.000Let me tell you what John Bolton is really saying here.
00:23:48.000He's basically saying that we should go for the throat and we need to execute regime change.
00:23:53.000That is what John Bolton is saying in neocon speak, in so many words.
00:23:58.000But did you know that we only have a problem in Iran at the scale and the magnitude that we currently have because we involved ourselves in regime change?
00:24:08.000America has a long history of regime change with Iran.
00:24:13.000Historically, Iran was then called Persia way back in the 1930s, 40s, and 50s.
00:24:19.000It was ruled by a Shah, an absolute monarch.
00:24:23.000During World War II, the British and the Soviets invaded Iran because they were worried that it would ally with Hitler.
00:24:30.000They deposed the ruling Shah, throwing the country into turmoil.
00:24:35.000The Shah's son took power, but then he was overthrown too.
00:24:39.000Iran came under the rule of a prime minister who had a lot of popular support.
00:24:43.000But to be honest, he was kind of a communist.
00:25:22.000And by the way, our government lied about it for years.
00:25:26.000The CIA and MI6 assisted the Iranian military in overthrowing Mossadegh.
00:25:31.000They lied about it and finally declassified files showed that No, we were involved and we got rid of the democratically elected, somewhat communistic, Mossadig, interfering with the self-determination of the Iranian people.
00:25:45.000Because we said, what could be worse than this guy?