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00:03:38.000She's admitting that her political organization is composed of downwardly mobile, disproportionately educated lower elites, as we would call them.0.97
00:03:51.000The PTB, their goals, their theory of change, and any obstacles that they've kind of come across.
00:03:58.000They're open about, you know, it's like we have the problem.
00:04:01.000It's sort of downwardly mobile, disproportionately educated compared to the general population, disproportionately white, disproportionately, you know, so similar.
00:04:12.000Like, you were the one that turned me on to this idea.
00:04:16.000And I think you articulate it brilliantly.
00:04:19.000Why is a disgruntled, embittered, highly educated, downwardly mobile lower elite so dangerous and so radicalized?
00:04:30.000Well, certainly, why are they dangerous?
00:04:33.000A lot of it is specifically the ideas they marinate in.
00:04:37.000So, as you said, they're highly educated.
00:04:39.000They've gone through our school system, which very much loves to inculcate radical ideas.
00:04:44.000A lot of them really embrace them, specifically because of often that downward mobility aspect to it.
00:04:51.000A lot of them maybe thought, if I absolutely maximally commit to this ideology that anti America, anti white people, maybe I will be rewarded for it.
00:05:03.000They were usually, they instead end up stuck in some dead end job.
00:05:08.000They're an adjunct faculty member making $35,000 a year, and that's never going to change.
00:05:13.000Or they're temporarily getting a barista job, and that turns out that becomes a much more permanent thing.
00:05:20.000Their temporary work doing delivery driving becomes more long.
00:05:25.000When we say lower elite, it almost might be better to say aspiring elite or someone who feels they should be in a higher position.0.83
00:05:32.000And one thing that makes them dangerous is they're usually at least pretty good box checkers.
00:05:37.000They're the people who are able to, they're good at organizing, they're good at checking boxes, they're good at getting politically involved, they're good at articulating ideas and proposing policies.
00:05:48.000Now, that doesn't mean those policies are good, they're often insanely destructive, but they have more of this capacity to actually affect political change than just someone who's checked out, a guy who works as a handyman in middle America and doesn't really pay attention to politics that much.
00:06:03.000They have much more capacity, they feel invested in how America operates.
00:06:08.000And when they're unhappy, when they're downwardly mobile, they're much more invested in potentially blowing the whole thing up.
00:06:14.000And we talked about how a lot of revolutions come from that.
00:06:17.000America has more people who feel that they deserve to be high end government officials, university professors, big popular artists or showbiz people.
00:06:30.000We have more people who feel they should be that, who want to be that, than are capable of being that.
00:06:36.000And that's creating a lot of resentment, a lot of anger.
00:06:40.000And when you couple that with the way that they've all been educated in radical ideas, that creates a lot of danger.
00:06:44.000We mentioned other revolutions came from people like that.
00:06:47.000The American Revolution was one elite replacing another.
00:06:50.000They threw out a lot of the British connected elite.0.55
00:06:53.000They had this native colonial elite take over the country.0.76
00:06:56.000And it was great because they had good ideas, they had good values, they cared about the people of the country, and they wanted the country to do well.
00:07:05.000When you have people who despise a lot of the country, as a lot of our lower elites plainly do, our aspiring elites plainly do, are Imported foreign would be elites plainly do when you have people who hate America's historical values, hate America's historical people, are often very mentally unwell themselves.
00:07:26.000A lot of danger is cropping up, and we're seeing that now with these DSA candidates who just are openly talking about their psychotic breaks that they've had in the past, their desire to abolish American holidays.
00:07:38.000As Hassan Piker was the other day, his desire to impoverish the American middle class.
00:07:42.000Very resentment driven individuals that we're working with here.
00:07:46.000Yeah, and that's their capacity for resentment and to act upon that resentment is going to be greater, right?
00:07:53.000And here's we have another clip that proves this point.
00:07:56.000This is DSA's Francis Gill talking about the SOT 18.
00:08:00.000Abdul Al Sayed's victory in the Democratic primary in the Senate in Michigan.
00:08:05.000Of the 15 counties where a majority do not have a college degree, he lost every one of them, over 15.
00:08:14.000In the counties with high education, like you, he won.
00:08:19.000So how can you say you're for the working class when working class counties in Detroit and elsewhere, Voted against your candidate.
00:08:27.000People who are highly educated in this country were promised this path of economic success.
00:08:35.000But really, what we're seeing is that there's this huge downward mobility problem because our society, the scales are so tipped in one direction to benefit the rich and the wealthy.
00:08:53.000They went to school, they did the thing, they got educated.
00:08:57.000And even they are having downward mobility issues, and therefore the system is rigged and it must be brought down.0.75
00:09:03.000And we're going to make sure that all of those working class people that we claim to represent understand that we're the philosopher kings that know better than them, and we're going to lead them to the promised land.
00:09:14.000There's a lot of people who think they should deserve to run America because they stayed in school a long time and got a lot of degrees, and we should be very afraid of those people.
00:09:25.000So we got this crazy story, okay, where.
00:09:30.000Apparently, it's contradicting public statements.
00:09:32.000Trump took a secret flight from Turkey amid an Iranian threat.
00:09:38.000So, the White House said the president was aboard Air Force One, but as he was leaving this NATO summit in Turkey, instead, his departure included an elaborate ruse that concealed his travel, and it included a catering cart, which is a crazy story, but it kind of underscores just how serious the threat is against President Trump.
00:10:01.000I mean, We documented 10 different times where he's been nearly like an attempted assassination or a documented threat against his life.
00:10:10.000And we knew there had to have been more.
00:11:24.000It's all, I think, this very elaborate shell game that the Secret Service and the White House orchestrated.
00:11:30.000It doesn't necessarily match with the explanation that the president put out at the time for this switch in aircraft between the cutter donated Air Force One, which is that.
00:11:41.000Black and red plane and the legacy Air Force One.
00:11:44.000He said at the time that he wanted to show it off to troops who were positioned in the UK.
00:11:49.000Now we understand that it is these threats from Iran that led to this switch.0.77
00:11:53.000At all, I think also led to the people who actually did fly on the blue and white plane, you know, reporters and staff, to become unwitting decoys in this ruse.
00:12:12.000Well, I mean, and, you know, there's a clip of him later on the plane where he's saying, you know, listen, I'm at the top of the hit list for the Iranians.0.97
00:12:20.000And that means if this is a dangerous flight, you're on a dangerous flight too.1.00
00:14:20.000So it's all very fascinating to think of all the elaborate ploys that President Trump has had to engage in and the Secret Service have had to engage in to keep him alive.
00:14:40.000This is Scott Jennings, I think, expressing what a lot of us feel about this story, SOP 14.
00:14:47.000It sounds to me like the threat was unusual.
00:14:49.000I mean, it sounds like this was a very, very serious threat to the president's safety.
00:14:55.000And when you consider that he's already survived numerous assassination attempts or people at least thinking about assassinating him, and you consider the region that he was in, I'm glad they engaged in all this cloak and dagger and all this deception to keep him safe.
00:15:11.000And what might happen to him every single day.
00:15:13.000And, you know, this story raised up the hairs on the back of my neck when you consider how they had to move him around.
00:15:18.000But I'm glad they did it, and I'm glad they got him back to the United States safely.
00:15:22.000I'm glad he was at the meeting over there, by the way.
00:15:24.000It was important for the American president to be there.
00:15:27.000But you can only imagine, and David knows this, the level of threat and the level of alarm that would have been required to set up this kind of deception must have been extremely heavy.
00:15:38.000Yeah, and that image shows the catering cart that the president was.
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00:17:20.000Without further ado, we have Orrin McIntyre, who's a great Thinker, columnist, and obviously he has this show which I listen to as much as I possibly can because he's smart and we like smart people.
00:17:31.000Orin, great to have you back on the show.
00:17:35.000I want to start with this tweet because it's stuff that's percolating and you can feel it rising.
00:17:41.000Okay, this is Cenk Uyghur from the Young Turks.
00:17:47.000I've met him before, came to one of our events.
00:17:49.000He says, If Republicans think they're going to beat Abdul El Sayed by just pointing out that he's Muslim, I got bad news for them.
00:17:59.000Not going to work with independence being Muslim helps these days because it's a sign that you're not going to sell out to Israel.0.99
00:18:08.000And the reason I bring this up is sure, Chenk is a far left guy, and maybe we should expect him to say something like this.0.97
00:18:16.000But you have felt this, I guess, bubbling up, this percolating of pro Muslim sentiment, even from voices you wouldn't necessarily expect it from.0.53
00:18:29.000And I do believe most of it is coming from a hatred of Israel, anti-Semitism, feeling like the Iran war was a product of Israel's influence.
00:18:40.000But we need to sort of brass tack this and explain that just because you might hold skepticism or animosity towards Israel or something, that does not mean that we want to import millions of Muslims.0.98
00:18:52.000And I want you to come on this show because you're one of the few voices out there that seems to have kept their head, is willing to sort of level fair critiques against Israel, but also understands the threat that Islam poses.0.98
00:19:06.000I think this is incredibly important.0.97
00:19:08.000Look, as you said, I'm more than happy to point out the problems that I have with our current relationship with Israel.0.99
00:19:13.000I think they're real and they're valid and they need to be addressed.0.90
00:19:17.000But that does not mean that the enemy of my enemy is now suddenly my friend and that all of a sudden I should be joining up with people who ultimately seek my destruction.0.90
00:19:26.000Look, Islam has no place in the West.0.97
00:19:28.000It does not respect anything about Christianity.1.00
00:19:37.000We simply should not have any Muslims in the United States.1.00
00:19:40.000We should end immigration by Muslims to the United States immediately, and we should work to denaturalize as many as possible.1.00
00:19:47.000There's simply no reason that we should be building mosques or entire Muslim towns in the state of Texas.1.00
00:19:52.000They do not belong here, and we should not hesitate to say that.1.00
00:19:55.000However, there is a counterpoint to this, which is a lot of people find it very convenient to silence criticism of Israel by saying, well, if you do believe anything like that, you must then be allied with Muslims.0.97
00:20:09.000You must want hordes of Muslims to come into the U.S. You're ultimately a traitor because hating Israel is your only driving cause.0.55
00:20:18.000If you push people to the extreme, if you tell people that a Opposing a bad relationship with Israel in the United States puts you on the side of Islam, then eventually, if the situation gets bad enough, some people will believe that and they will go that way.
00:20:30.000For the same reason, if you tell people acknowledging that there is more crime in Black communities makes you a racist, then at some point, people are going to be like, well, maybe I'm just a racist.
00:20:41.000You don't want to corner people and put them in this position because some people will choose incorrectly.
00:20:45.000I think it's a bad decision, but you can't be surprised if you only offer people two options when they choose one of the ones that you forced on them.
00:21:00.000The people on the internet that give me the most positive sentiment towards Israel are the really low IQ, anti Israel slop, you know, Spurgs.0.99
00:21:31.000And I think we're seeing that play out in this Islam dialogue, which, you know, Charlie, I take the position that Charlie always took that it is incompatible with the West.0.98
00:21:42.000And there is a difference between micro and macro.
00:23:09.000I feel like there's a lot of people who just organically are trending towards Islam.
00:23:13.000I think there's some people who have this idea Islam is more masculine.
00:23:18.000It's less, it's less cucked, as they would say.0.55
00:23:21.000They like that like Andrew Tate ethos of being really macho and they think Islam supplies that.0.58
00:23:26.000I feel there's a lot of people who just organically are going towards Islam just because they like it.0.99
00:23:31.000And I think that is probably worth calling out.0.93
00:23:35.000I don't like it when it's just this is entirely happening because, like, Anyone says, I'm doing this because you attacked me and drove me towards them.
00:23:42.000I think a lot of people are just organically letting themselves be pulled toward this.
00:23:47.000Honestly, I don't have a lot of conversations with people who are in any way interested in Islam or think that it's going to be something that's good for the United States.1.00
00:23:55.000I'm sure it's out there, but organically, I just never run into it my day to day.0.99
00:23:59.000There is something to be said, to quote sadly a Muslim here.1.00
00:24:04.000Sometimes when people see a strong horse, they follow the strong horse.1.00
00:24:08.000And if people look at Islam and they see it ascend, they see it conquering, they see it confident in its culture, some people will say, well, they have something that we're lacking.0.97
00:24:16.000And so I'm going to follow the strong horse.
00:24:18.000I think that's a mistake, but that's a possibility.
00:24:20.000I think the bigger truth here is ultimately that, as controversial as this statement sometimes is, politics is about friend and enemy.
00:24:28.000And it depends where you draw your friend distinction.
00:24:31.000If you're drawing your friend distinction around support or opposition to Israel, it's going to put you in really weird places.
00:24:38.000If your friend coalition is entirely in support of Israel, you're going to find yourself allying with gross neocons to fight pointless wars that destroy the United States.0.96
00:24:46.000If your entire friend coalition is drawn against Israel, You're going to find yourself allying with Hassan Piker and idiots like that, people who are dangerous and want to destroy the United States, who explicitly say that they want to destroy the white middle class in the United States.1.00
00:25:00.000These people are your blood enemies.1.00
00:25:13.000Mandami's aide, his top aide, Sia Weaver, said if you don't believe in the government's sacred right to seize property, it's over and impoverish the white middle class.
00:25:28.000You know, and listen, I was tempted to say, and I think I did say it, that, you know, their guiding ideology is just hating white people, right?0.96
00:25:35.000But then this clip surfaced today.0.93
00:26:18.000This is what America has avoided for our whole history until this moment, Orin.0.93
00:26:23.000Yeah, I think this is just evidence of him trying to shove black people off of the progressive stack.
00:26:28.000We're the new people who should be ascendant.
00:26:30.000We're the people who should be the center of identity politics because, as you say, Ultimately, it is communism at some level, but the communism is just ideological window dressing for tribal politics.
00:26:40.000People who look like me, who come from where I come from, they're the ones who should be on top, whether it's in the progressive coalition or anywhere else.
00:26:47.000And again, this is why we should not draw our friend enemy distinction across Israel in either direction.
00:27:56.000And I'm looking forward to reminding you of that for two years when I'm in the U.S. Senate.0.88
00:28:01.000Oren, it raises the question back to the jank tweet Is it a losing strategy to just call out the fact that they're Muslims?0.99
00:28:11.000What do we have to do to beat them, especially in El Sayed and this Senate race?0.95
00:28:16.000Well, I do think that ultimately Islam is not overall popular in the United States.0.99
00:28:20.000I think Cenk is doing a little bit of wish casting there.0.85
00:28:23.000However, I got to say, it's not through any effort of the Republicans that that's the case.
00:28:28.000Remember that after 9 11, plenty of Republicans rubber stamped importing as many Muslims as we could so we could all show that we weren't Islamophobic.
00:28:36.000It was George W. Bush who pushed the idea that Islam was a religion of peace.0.79
00:28:40.000So, congratulations, that propaganda worked.
00:28:42.000The Republicans manufactured exactly the situation that they're crying about, as always.
00:28:47.000That said, we do have to be honest about something here, which is that Israel is unpopular, even with people who don't like Islam.0.95
00:28:54.000And so, when he says, well, at least being Muslim shows that you're not going to be on the side of Israel, for better or for worse, there is some truth to that.
00:29:02.000And the Republicans got to deal with that.0.98
00:29:03.000The right really has to deal with this fact Israel is not popular and it's not getting any more popular.0.82
00:29:09.000And that is going to continue to be the trend line going forward.0.67
00:29:13.000If you lash yourselves to Israel and the cause of Israel in the United States, that's going to be an electoral loser moving forward, no matter what happens.0.79
00:29:21.000And you can say that's anti Semitism.0.95
00:29:23.000You can attack people and call them all the ugly names you want.0.75
00:29:26.000But people simply don't want to go to war in Iran because Israel wants part of Lebanon.0.91
00:29:39.000If you look at their podcast, every single episode is about Israel.
00:29:43.000They endlessly talk about them, they force it into every unrelated issue that has nothing to do with the war.0.87
00:29:50.000Like, isn't it kind of fair to say that?
00:29:53.000Like they're obsessed, they were obsessed with Israel before the Iran war started.
00:29:57.000These people, I think they just do fixate on this because they actually have an obsession with it.
00:30:02.000It's not actually a byproduct of any war that we're involved in, even if that stuff doesn't help.
00:30:07.000Well, I gotta say, I think that that's obviously true of a subset, right?
00:30:11.000Like there are very clearly people with a track record of this being their obsession.
00:30:15.000I think there is obviously an anti Israel, you know, basically like industry going on at the moment.
00:30:21.000A lot of people getting a lot of clicks and views because of that.
00:30:24.000However, the existence of that reality doesn't therefore erase the fact that a lot of people just organically do not like the fruits of our current relationship with Israel.
00:30:35.000That doesn't mean the people who are ultimately leaning into anti Semitism or trying to drive a lot of hatred are doing the right thing by any means.
00:30:43.000It doesn't mean that their consistent hatred is somehow justified by current events.
00:30:50.000We can't, as we've talked about when it comes to the price of burritos, you can't sit there and berate the American people for saying, hey, my.1.00
00:30:56.000You know, my bills are too high, and then say, Well, you're just too poor and stupid.1.00
00:31:02.000If people look at the relationship with Israel and say, This is unhealthy and we shouldn't be involved with it, if you turn around and lecture and say, Well, that just means you hate Jews and you're just like these people who are profiting off of it, well, that's going to go over electorally exactly the same way they're telling people they don't need to worry about the price of gas or milk will go.
00:31:17.000Well, but, Oren, the reason I push back on that is I think it's very obvious a lot of people who at least aspire to be pretty mainstream voices in American politics clearly do hate Jews.
00:31:31.000I just, I find it a little frustrating if the take is this has only happened because they were pushed into it when if they were doing it before any of the wars in question and they'll clearly be doing it anyway.0.96
00:31:42.000But bigger picture, you were mentioning that a lot of people favor Islam because it has this strong horse element.0.97
00:31:49.000We see this in the UK where there's a lot of like, there's like British people who are converting to Islam.0.92
00:31:55.000It's popular for the lower classes to do that.0.56
00:31:58.000Do you think it's heavily from organic appeal or do you think it's kind of like they get into it because?
00:32:05.000We actually have this elite class that coddles them through everything.0.60
00:32:12.000They get to create their little fiefdoms where the law doesn't apply.0.99
00:32:16.000And this gives people the impression wow, they're strong and dynamic when it's really more like they're a plaything of George W. Bush types, globalist types who love having their pet Muslim immigrants in the country and thus let them get away with whatever they want.0.89
00:32:32.000Yeah, I think there's nothing new about people ultimately looking for a position.0.64
00:32:35.000And somewhere in the progressive stack.
00:32:37.000And if Islam ultimately lends that to them, along with the advantages of kind of that tribal advantage, then I think, yes, that those things do stack up in a way that a lot of people became trans because it gave them some special identity.0.51
00:32:50.000And all of a sudden, a normal white guy who was rejected from everything now has this amazing shield against all criticism and an advancement plan to the top of the hierarchy.
00:33:01.000The same thing could be true of Islam, especially if it continues to gain this kind of community power because they're allowed to organize in a way that.0.65
00:33:10.000Native Americans or native UK Brits are not allowed to do.
00:33:15.000So I think the preferential treatment is certainly an aspect.
00:33:17.000But I just want to remind people again, like just to reiterate on this, there are, of course, people who are pushing the anti Israel thing for their own advantage, who really did hate Israel or Jewish people in general before all of this started.
00:33:32.000That said, you cannot take that and then dismiss the general feeling in the United States that the relationship with Israel is deleterious.0.96
00:33:42.000Might be connected at some level, but they are separate.
00:33:44.000And blaming one entirely on the other ultimately leads us to bad political analysis.
00:33:49.000Even if we don't like the reality on the ground, we need to stay aligned with reality and make arguments that push in the direction of winning on those issues.
00:33:58.000We shouldn't be blinded by the fact that we might not like any given personality.
00:34:02.000Yeah, Oren, I mean, I'm with you in the sense that it's kind of like the burrito debate.
00:34:08.000It's like you can be mad that prices are higher, but you have to be.
00:34:12.000Honest with your voters about what their lived experience is.
00:34:16.000And I think there's no question that the Iran war, conflict, whatever you want to call it, has exacerbated some of those tensions, some of those feelings of anti Israel sentiment.
00:34:27.000We don't have to agree with them, we don't have to love it.
00:34:31.000But I think there needs to be voices like ours, and we try and be this on the show, and I know you try and be it as well, Oren, where you're acknowledging a reality, a political reality.
00:34:43.000But you're also trying to carve out a third way, which says we don't hate Jews because they're Jews.
00:34:47.000We are allowed to have political differences with Israel if our interests are not aligned.0.51
00:35:14.000I had the honor of a lifetime to call Charlie a friend.
00:35:18.000And what I remember most wasn't just what people saw on stage, it was what was behind the scenes.
00:35:24.000That was an unwavering commitment to his faith, his love for his family, and his genuine desire to encourage others to live with courage and conviction.
00:35:33.000Charlie believed that following Christ wasn't something you compartmentalize.
00:35:37.000He didn't put it in a box, he lived it out loud.
00:35:40.000It shaped how he lived, how he served, how he treated people every single day.
00:35:45.000Charlie Kirk, American Martyr, captures that heart.
00:35:48.000This documentary isn't just simply about remembering Charlie, it's an invitation for each of us to ask what kind of legacy we're building.
00:35:55.000And whether we're willing to stand firm in our own faith when it's tested.
00:35:59.000I hope that you'll watch it with your family and have those conversations together.
00:36:53.000So, when you want to know what is working and what the Trump administration is doing that's actually having profound economic impact, Impacts.
00:37:43.000You know, before we go into all the amazing things that we can talk about, one of the things that you might have noticed when you're watching the TV clips, like the Sunday shows I was on this weekend, is that the left likes to sort of box in conservatives with the following rhetoric.
00:38:02.000They'll say, hey, You know, we're looking at the survey of how Americans feel about the economy, and they're as depressed about the state of the economy as they've ever been.
00:38:14.000In fact, if you look at the Michigan survey of consumer sentiment, it's the lowest sentiment on record.
00:38:20.000And we can talk about, you know, what's wrong with the survey or anything, maybe if you care.
00:38:26.000But the bottom line is then they say, if I start to say something, well, there's this good news about this, there's this good news about that, then they'll say, you know, you're just out of touch.
00:38:39.000And so, by setting it up, characterizing the conversation with a setup that American people are not seeing it, so what is wrong with you to even talk about the good things?
00:38:51.000That it makes it so that you're tempted not to talk about the good things because it makes you look insensitive.
00:38:55.000And it's just interesting that that logical trick is something that all the left wing media people are playing whenever I go on TV lately.
00:39:05.000Because there have been some surveys that say that Americans are really upset about the economy.
00:39:11.000Now, of course, you know, we feel the pain at the gas pump and we understand beef prices are high and we're sensitive to wanting every American to have a healthy, fulfilling life.
00:39:21.000But they're trying to make it so we can't talk about the good stuff.
00:39:24.000Opportunity to be here to talk about all the good stuff.
00:39:28.000And I think that the headline thing that we're looking at is just new factory construction.
00:39:37.000Right now, the new factory construction is historically high in the U.S., and it's happening because of stuff in the big, beautiful bill that's working.
00:39:49.000Remember, we expensed factory construction, even the buildings.
00:39:54.000It's happening because President Trump's trade policy.
00:39:57.000Has made people think, oh, I got to move this stuff onshore.
00:40:02.000But if you go back to the end of the Biden administration, then the typical number for construction for non residential buildings in the jobs report was negative.
00:40:14.000So we were hemorrhaging construction jobs.
00:40:17.000Since President Trump took office, we've gained about 100,000 jobs of construction workers who are building factories, which is extremely unprecedented.
00:40:27.000And so when you think about how the economy is doing, Then understand that there's an investment boom going on that's unlike anything that we've ever seen.
00:40:36.000And what that means is that as we go into the second half of the year, then they're going to put the machines into those buildings, they're going to plug the machines in, they're going to hire workers to run the machines.
00:40:48.000And there's no way that that can be a bad news story.
00:40:53.000The one thing that people talk about that they do say is a bad news story, but I want to talk about, we just talked about a little bit on that clip, is that because President Trump has secured the border, And he's also reduced government workers by a lot.
00:41:11.000Then, you know, basically the number of jobs you need to keep the economy on a positive trajectory is lower than it was under Biden because he let 20 million illegals in and they were all getting Social Security numbers so they could work.
00:41:27.000And so the jobs that were created under Biden were illegals and government workers.
00:41:34.000And both of those have gone down a lot under President Trump.
00:41:38.000And so, when people say, oh, it feels like it's a really bad economy, the truth is it's a bad economy for federal government workers.
00:42:00.000And we were talking about this with Secretary Scott Besant the other day as well that it's almost, it's just so difficult with the rapid news cycle to get people to appreciate anything that takes.
00:42:14.000And it makes sense that, for example, securing the border, there's a short term shock of all of these businesses were addicted to illegal or amnestied labor that was low wage, getting paid under the table.
00:42:27.000So there's a short term increase in prices to things.
00:42:31.000But in the long run, you're going to see higher wages for the working class because they can go into those jobs that are made available.
00:42:37.000They can go into these factories that we're able to build.
00:42:40.000And that's going to be producing these long term dividends.
00:42:49.000And the thing that you mentioned is absolutely happening in the data.
00:42:54.000And we'll say it this way that by letting the border be uncontrolled and letting lower skilled folks stampede into the country and then take jobs, then what happened was that the average wage in the U.S. under Joe Biden dropped by about $3,000 per family over his four years.
00:43:15.000And so people actually lost money in real terms.
00:43:20.000Is one of the worst presidential records since we've had data.
00:43:24.000Already going forward, because of these factors, then for manufacturing and construction workers, which are really, really great jobs, great paying jobs, the typical worker is making about $4,000 more per year than they were making at the start of the Trump term.
00:43:42.000And so, you know, President Biden created jobs that were really bad jobs and weren't jobs that were taken by people who were native born in the U.S. President Trump is creating great jobs, and the jobs are being taken by people who are native born U.S. citizens.
00:43:57.000Well, when you look at that graph there, Kevin, you see that we just had up, you're seeing that for the 25th percentile, for the median, that wages are actually going up much faster than inflation.
00:44:12.000Now, you've lived through, I guess, four years of Biden inflation, COVID, all the money printing, all this stuff.
00:44:18.000So you may not feel it just yet, but that is a graph that shows you that we are on the right trajectory where you're seeing.
00:44:26.000Hourly workers, salaried workers, real wages increasing faster than inflation.
00:44:30.000You keep stacking that up quarter by quarter by quarter.
00:44:33.000And then by the end of the next two years, if we stay on the current path, as Blake said, you charge through, you press through, people are going to start feeling that.
00:45:15.000But at the same time, then you have people like Bernie Sanders.
00:45:18.000And by the way, that's just four years of cumulative 30% inflation.
00:45:23.000And people are still like, hey, I still feel the inflation, okay?
00:45:26.000But Trump is, we are working our way out of this.
00:45:29.000And I think that's so important, right?
00:45:31.000So then Bernie Sanders gets up and he posts this and he says that, you know, childhood poverty rates and he puts America as the top 21.1% of, you know, our children in poverty.
00:45:44.000And now Cremu, who is a friend of the show and Blake introduced us to him and he loved Charlie.
00:45:50.000He says, Bernie is making a critical error.
00:45:53.000He's using the OECD's measure of relative poverty, which is the proportion of children living in households with incomes below 50% of the national median.
00:46:02.000In other words, an inequality measure, not a poverty measure.
00:46:30.000Well, obviously, you hit it right on the head that they're looking at relative numbers.
00:46:37.000And one of the things that I remember is a study a few years ago by a conservative think tank in Sweden called Timbro.
00:46:46.000And they looked at this question and they found that the average consumption of an American citizen who lives below the poverty line so you're only averaging the consumption of people who are below our poverty line that that consumption is higher than the average consumption in France.
00:47:09.000And so the fact is that if you look at absolute levels of welfare, then the US is like far outperforming all those socialist or near socialist European countries.
00:47:22.000And it's doing it for reasons that Charlie talked about forever that free enterprise works.
00:47:27.000But in terms of the inflation, let's go into that a little bit more the $20 burrito.
00:47:32.000Because what happened, don't forget, is that COVID was over.
00:47:37.000And then Biden and the Democrats had a wish list of all the things that they wanted to do.
00:47:43.000Trillions and trillions of dollars, mailed checks to people, which is like dropping cash from a helicopter, and created runaway inflation.
00:47:51.000The runaway inflation peaked at about 10%, which meant that everybody lost their dollars from their salary.
00:47:59.000Everybody lost about 10% of their spending power.
00:48:02.000And we've made inflation go down with our supply side policies, which increase supply so it puts downward pressure on prices.
00:48:09.000We've made inflation go down so much that the consumer price index, the last one that we got, was negative.
00:48:16.000On the top line, and people say, Oh, that was just energy prices.
00:48:19.000But for core, which is everything else, the consumer price index showed zero inflation, zero inflation.
00:48:27.000And then they have this thing called the PCE, which is what the Fed's favorite measure of inflation is.
00:48:31.000That was negative at the top line and negative at the core.
00:48:34.000And the reason that core stuff is negative is because of all of President Trump's policies.
00:48:39.000Like, did you know that drug prices are actually going down?
00:48:42.000The consumer price index for drug has dropped precipitously because of Trump RX and other things that we're doing.
00:48:49.000And so, Inflation is coming down, but the price level went up.
00:48:53.000And so when people are thinking about, well, how am I doing compared to how I was doing five years ago?
00:48:58.000Well, you had those four years under Biden where prices skyrocketed and your wages didn't keep up.
00:49:03.000And the typical American family lost $3,000, $4,000 in spending power.
00:49:08.000Now they're gaining that spending power back, but they don't care so much about the rate of change of prices in June as much as they do.
00:49:18.000How much does it actually cost to buy a pound of hamburger?
00:49:21.000And so that's why, or the steak fajita in a burrito.
00:49:27.000And so that's really why there's a disconnect here.
00:49:30.000But one of the things, let's go back to how the media covers it, that's really, really interesting, is that our policies were really passed in the big, beautiful bill.
00:49:38.000That's when we really started to take effect our policies, which was passed about a year ago.
00:49:44.000And a lot of the stuff really kicked in over the winter.
00:51:04.000And is there kind of some misinformation being spread about the labor market that's relative to TPS?
00:51:11.000Well, the way I would think about it, again, is that when you're thinking about how the job market's doing, then the metric that's the strongest and most reliable is what's happening to the unemployment rate.
00:51:26.000And movements in the unemployment rate are really, really perfectly correlated with whether you're having a recession or not.
00:51:33.000And it's measured really well because if people lose their jobs, then they get.
00:51:39.000Unemployment insurance, and when they file for that, that we can actually see, oh, that guy lost their job, as we have very good data on it.
00:51:44.000Right now, initial claims for unemployment insurance in the US are the lowest they've been since World War II.
00:51:51.000And if you think about how much bigger the population is now compared to all those years before, you could say that the odds of someone getting fired right now are the lowest they've ever, ever been.
00:52:01.000And so the labor market is strong, and we're getting net positive job creation, even though we have closed the border and are deporting people.0.99
00:55:14.000And lastly, we have our Families Program too, which again, parents, moms, dads, grandparents, you name it, they believe, and like I believe, that families are the backbone of this country.
00:55:25.000Communities answers that call with our Family and Families Initiative.
00:55:28.000So no matter what stage of life you're in, there is something for you in TPSA communities.
00:55:34.000And I'm glad to have the opportunity to lead it.
00:55:36.000Yeah, I mean, Blake, Blake, have my back here because how many emails do we get all the time from people that aren't necessarily college students that want to get involved and they want to plug in somewhere and they don't know how or there wasn't a convenient place to put them and now there is?
00:55:51.000Yeah, we would get so many emails and they'll say, I'm a graduate or even I'm middle aged, but could I show up at the university chapters?
00:55:59.000And I would say, like, okay, a lot of those events are open, but they are aimed at universities.
00:56:53.000So we can theoretically launch chapters in as many cities as possible.
00:56:56.000We already have well over 500 chapters launched, and today is launch today.
00:57:00.000It just shows the momentum we were building leading up to launch today.
00:57:03.000So the plan is to have a chapter in every city.
00:57:06.000We want to touch every corner of this country.
00:57:08.000We want people to have an opportunity to plug in with like minded individuals and also reach other individuals who may not have heard an alternative message, right?
00:57:15.000I was one of those individuals who grew up.
00:57:17.000Really hearing a left leaning message and told that this country wasn't for me and all the victimhood nonsense, right?
00:57:24.000But I went and I started the very first grassroots chapter in the movement that I had previously started, and it's led to communities today.
00:57:33.000So I'm hoping that individuals in their local cities through voter registration efforts, through community cleanups, through even if it's just coming together and saying, hey, we just needed a like minded community to connect with, invent with, and talk to, because maybe our family doesn't.
00:57:48.000Share our political beliefs or whatever it may be.
00:57:50.000We want to be that place where people can come together and connect.
00:57:53.000We've already seen some cities do things different than other cities.
00:57:56.000We have some city chapters who are looking at mentorship opportunities for the youth because they've noticed the youth in their community is going down a terrible road.
00:58:05.000We have some communities, chapters who are focused on school board stuff.
00:58:09.000We have some community chapters who are looking at cleanups because they're like, man, every time I walk outside, there's trash all over my neighborhood.
00:59:26.000You see Hassan Piker raging against white people and raging against black people.
00:59:32.000Anything that gets in the way of DSA and the rise of the communist left, this is an opportunity that I believe is turning that back on itself.
00:59:42.000It's pushing back against this division.
00:59:47.000And this brings people together from different age groups, different backgrounds, different walks of life, and says, We are all American.
00:59:53.000We bleed the same color red, and we all can love this country.
00:59:57.000And I think that's so powerful because that is what has made America.
01:00:02.000This is the shining city on a hill for so long.
01:00:10.000I think that's what you're leading here.
01:00:12.000And I just love it because, as we said before, there's so many people that have wanted to be a part of this movement that weren't a student, and this is their opportunity.
01:00:48.000We believe that there are a lot of people out there who believe that this country is worth fighting for, that believes that this country is still that shining city on the hill.
01:01:02.000I believe that each one reaches one, right?
01:01:05.000And you reach 10, you reach 20, you reach 100.
01:01:07.000Doing that hard, gritty grassroots work to me is what makes the biggest difference.
01:01:11.000Changing someone's lives, the stories you hear, the people you bring together, whether it's someone who is Black, whether it's someone who's white, someone who is Jewish, someone, it doesn't matter where the person's background is.
01:01:24.000I've seen pictures, I've seen videos, I've seen the work that we're doing already of just people from so many different backgrounds coming together.
01:02:31.000Yeah, I think this can be the biggest department and turning point, you know, simply because there, I mean, you think about it, there is really nowhere we can't go.
01:02:39.000Communities are all over the country, every state, so many different cities.
01:02:43.000So, You know, I think the potential here is unlimited, and that's what's beautiful about it.
01:02:49.000You know, we don't want to just have the numbers just to have it.
01:02:51.000We're putting up big numbers on the scoreboard, but it's impactful too at the same time.
01:02:55.000Things that are coming out of these chapters, the stories, the people we are reaching, it's been incredible to see already.
01:03:01.000And again, this is officially launch day today.
01:03:03.000So I can't imagine the impact and the way we're going to take off post today, but it can go all over the country, Andrew, to answer your question everywhere.
01:04:24.000Folks, if you're just getting to know Pierre, Charlie loved Pierre.
01:04:28.000So much and had all the faith in the world in him.
01:04:31.000And he's the right guy to lead this massive new undertaking because we have been inundated by people that want to get involved and want to plug in.
01:04:39.000And one last thought I'll just add in the last 10 seconds here is a lot of people, you know, their local GOP is dysfunctional.
01:04:44.000Their local, you know, and sometimes you need an outside group to bring new, fresh, young energy into that and revitalize all those different patriotic groups in a community.
01:04:54.000So this, I think, could be really transformative on so many levels.
01:05:52.000He's making the point that we have become accustomed in this society to not be willing to sacrifice anything to get sort of this, you know, delayed gratification, to get the better, the more.
01:06:04.000Lasting good for our country because we expect infinite consumption and low prices.
01:06:10.000Are we willing to do what's necessary?
01:06:13.000Are we willing to pay 20, 25 bucks for a burrito if it means mass deportations?
01:06:19.000It's exactly what we were talking about in that last segment where there's about the delay effect from we closed off the border and wages will get better, but there will probably be short term inflation of costs because companies are addicted to this.
01:06:30.000And Greer's article points this out that, okay, one factor that will make your burrito more expensive is if we Cut off the supply of low wage labor.
01:06:40.000There's less people to work specifically in those businesses, or wages are going up in construction or other industries that have a lot of illegals, which means more people are going to them, which is putting wage pressure on your fast food outlets.
01:06:53.000And we, as nationalists, we understand this is desirable.
01:06:57.000We want a country where people know English.
01:06:58.000We want a country where we're not getting replaced.
01:07:03.000We want a country where there's fewer quality leering centers.
01:07:06.000But yes, a side effect of this will probably be that some goods are going to be more expensive because we aren't just an economic zone whose only guiding principle is keep wages as far down as possible.
01:07:20.000And I think it's a valuable contribution to bring this up because.
01:07:24.000We have that debate over burrito prices, and you have some people going, ah, kids these days are just entitled, and we don't want to just say, oh, no, you have the right to feel like you can afford things and buy things in our country.
01:07:37.000But we do have to confront, we have to push back, and Charlie was so good at this.
01:07:42.000We have to push back on this kind of unlimited entitlement that people can feel I want maximum consumption, I want the lowest possible prices, I want no trade offs at all.
01:07:57.000In return for making America's long term future better, I think it's a real problem that we face.
01:08:02.000And I think Scott is right to point it out.
01:08:31.000In order to make the country great again, people will have to adjust their expectations and experience short term inconveniences.
01:08:37.000It's easy to demand radical political changes, but until the people are willing to make small sacrifices, we will never make those changes.
01:09:22.000We say we want all these things, but as soon as we do, there's a little bit of pain and we bail on that.
01:09:27.000So I think it's a fair criticism because I do think we need to be a people that can experience short term.
01:09:34.000Sacrifice and short term inconvenience.
01:09:36.000If we're going to get to the long term benefit, we have to be able to have that delayed gratification.
01:09:43.000Blake, you know, Charlie was a big believer in delayed gratification when it comes to marriage, when it comes to the economy, when it comes to our government, our politics.
01:09:57.000We only have such a nice country because your parents, grandparents, great grandparents going all the way back to the settlers on the Mayflower, we only have a nice country because those people.
01:10:06.000Accepted sacrifices to achieve things.
01:10:08.000And it's absolutely an addiction in America to not want to accept any sacrifice.
01:10:14.000And we've seen how this has been catastrophic in a lot of ways.
01:10:18.000We fought the Iraq war on a credit card because George W. Bush didn't want Americans to feel like they were being taxed at all to fight the war on terrorism.
01:10:28.000That's how you can help America during the war on terrorism.
01:10:32.000We've really built up all of this debt because we're pushing off all questions, all trade offs into the future.
01:10:39.000And handling this is going to be a challenge.
01:10:43.000And we've gotten so used to not demanding any sacrifices of anyone that it feels like a moral attack to suggest it because they'll just say, oh, well, boomers or whoever, they didn't have to sacrifice.
01:10:54.000It's going to be tough, it's going to be painful.