The Charlie Kirk Show - “Not Crazy, Just Early” — My Interview with Alex Jones

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00:01:41.000 Charlie, what you've done is incredible here.

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00:02:26.000 I can't tell you how many people told me, Charlie, you can't have Alex Jones on your program.

00:02:31.000 Don't have Alex Jones on your program.

00:02:32.000 Because we did a whole kind of program on it yesterday about how I believe how unfairly treated Alex Jones was with this whole recent saga.

00:02:41.000 And I just don't like when people all of a sudden impose their false framework on our program.

00:02:46.000 I have to agree with everything, but why can't we have robust discussion and back and forth?

00:02:51.000 So then I told my team, you know what?

00:02:53.000 Let's have Alex Jones on our program because the Rubicon has been crossed.

00:02:57.000 We believe in freedom of speech.

00:02:59.000 And I agree with a lot of things Alex says, and then I don't agree with some things he says.

00:03:02.000 That's America.

00:03:03.000 You don't cancel somebody because of it.

00:03:05.000 So joining us now is the most canceled man in America in his own words, Alex Jones.

00:03:10.000 Alex, welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show.

00:03:12.000 Charlie, absolutely.

00:03:13.000 I mean, even mainline reporters interviewed Charlie Manson.

00:03:16.000 So even I'm the worst person in the world.

00:03:18.000 People should be able to talk to me.

00:03:20.000 But the truth is they want to misrepresent what I've said and done.

00:03:23.000 That's why they don't want me to ever actually be live on air.

00:03:26.000 So big fan of what you do.

00:03:27.000 And God bless you.

00:03:28.000 It's good to be here.

00:03:29.000 Thank you, Alex.

00:03:30.000 So let's talk about the Sandy Hook thing.

00:03:32.000 Let's just start with that.

00:03:34.000 I don't like what you said at the beginning.

00:03:35.000 You've said now, going back, that it was a mistake and that you're not even allowed to correct it.

00:03:41.000 They're trying to destroy your life and bankrupt you because of it.

00:03:44.000 Floor is yours.

00:03:45.000 Tell us the story from your perspective that the media is intentionally not covering.

00:03:49.000 Well, if you go back 10 years ago, the internet questioned what happened there, like they questioned Jesse Smollett or so many other events.

00:03:56.000 And I barely ever covered it, like 20-something minutes they brought into evidence.

00:03:59.000 They tried to make me the Sandy Hook guy once Trump won. 0.93

00:04:04.000 And so they just simply said, oh, he's a bully.

00:04:07.000 He's stalking people.

00:04:08.000 He's doing all this.

00:04:09.000 None of that was true.

00:04:10.000 They had Democrat judges in Austin and in Connecticut say that I was defaulted, so I couldn't defend myself.

00:04:19.000 I sat there while the judge said to the jury, he is guilty.

00:04:22.000 You will find him guilty.

00:04:24.000 So this is their new weaponization of the media.

00:04:27.000 It's a very small part of what I've ever covered.

00:04:29.000 I question every major event.

00:04:31.000 I question Uvalde.

00:04:32.000 I believe children died in Uvalde, but the head of the state of police in Texas and the mayor of Uvalde say there's a cover-up and they've been lied to.

00:04:39.000 So they want to punish people that question things.

00:04:42.000 They want to say, oh, he's not a populist leader.

00:04:44.000 He's not a popular person with the people.

00:04:46.000 No, he's the Sandy Hook man. 0.94

00:04:48.000 And so they've used that like claiming Trump says all Mexicans are criminals.

00:04:53.000 Well, Trump never said all Mexicans are criminals.

00:04:56.000 He said some very good people come across the border, some very bad people, we should screen them.

00:05:01.000 So just like they tried to make Trump hates all Hispanics fake news, it's the same thing here.

00:05:08.000 It's been total disinfo.

00:05:09.000 Even CNN had to retract today and say, okay, Jones's cell phone wasn't given to the other lawyers.

00:05:15.000 That was made up.

00:05:17.000 All of this stuff is basically made up.

00:05:19.000 And it just is next level desperateness.

00:05:21.000 So they have the January 6th committee to try to demonize Trump supporters and the American people.

00:05:26.000 Now they are using Sandy Hook to demonize independent media.

00:05:30.000 So just like I got deplatformed four years ago and was patient zero for that, now I'm patient zero for all of the new censorship and lawfare that's happening and taking place.

00:05:40.000 Yeah, so Alex, they don't even give you a chance to apologize for what you said either.

00:05:45.000 And you said that multiple times.

00:05:47.000 You said, I'm not allowed to clear things up.

00:05:48.000 So it's now the standard we're going to bankrupt you and destroy your life, run you through the smear campaign and the propaganda machine, even if you might have speculated about something that you now regret.

00:06:00.000 Is that now the new standard in the court of law?

00:06:04.000 Well, that is the new standard.

00:06:05.000 Going back five, six years ago, I hadn't covered it not one time in over a year in 2015, 16.

00:06:11.000 This all came out in court.

00:06:14.000 And when they said, stop attacking us, stop assaulting our families.

00:06:17.000 I never said their names, never sent anybody to investigate it.

00:06:20.000 It wasn't true.

00:06:21.000 So I said, listen, I think Sandy Hook happened, and I apologize if I hurt your feelings.

00:06:25.000 They went, oh my gosh, we're going to sue you now. 0.83

00:06:27.000 You admit you were lying.

00:06:29.000 And so that's all this is: they use Alex Jones against dead children, Alex Jones, and, you know, free speech versus ambulance chasers standing on the bodies of dead children.

00:06:39.000 And so that's all they've done.

00:06:40.000 But I said six plus years ago, I believe Sandy Hook happened, and I apologize and said I was wrong.

00:06:47.000 But they never, so AP last week said, Jones finally admits on the stand Sandy Cook happened.

00:06:54.000 There's like 15 apologies going back six years.

00:06:57.000 So that's how they brand you.

00:06:59.000 It's how they target you.

00:07:01.000 It's what they do. 0.88

00:07:02.000 And so it's disgusting.

00:07:03.000 But at the end of the day, populist America, it's not just conservatives, not just nationalists, not just Christians know that I'm just promoting American freedom.

00:07:12.000 And of course, I question everything.

00:07:14.000 You know, when Jesse Smollett said at 2:30 in the morning, 23 below zero, two white guys come up and put bleach on him and a noose around his neck and say this is my country.

00:07:22.000 I said, I've already been sued for questioning events, but I believe this is fake.

00:07:28.000 Whether I'm wrong or right, I have a right to question.

00:07:31.000 And I was right about Jesse Smollett and Bubba Wallace and so many other things.

00:07:35.000 So that's how they just changed the subject.

00:07:37.000 And Jeffrey.

00:07:39.000 You were the first one on the Epstein thing, and no one actually mentions that, which now it's just considered to be, oh, yeah, of course, we knew it all along.

00:07:45.000 Alex was covering that 15 years ago.

00:07:45.000 No, actually, you didn't.

00:07:48.000 And now it's the Epstein lawyer that signed the search warrant on Mar-Lago and Trump.

00:07:55.000 So think about that.

00:07:57.000 So I want to talk to you about that, Alex.

00:07:58.000 Rubicon's been crossed. 0.97

00:08:01.000 They come after you with this ridiculous judgment.

00:08:04.000 They expand the IRS, 87,000 agents. 0.89

00:08:06.000 They raid Mar-a-Lago.

00:08:07.000 Are these connected events?

00:08:08.000 What's the lesson here?

00:08:09.000 What's the takeaway?

00:08:10.000 100%, the corrupt multinational corporations that are anti-free market, monopolist, monopolist, they know the world's woken up to them.

00:08:18.000 They know that people are saying no.

00:08:20.000 And so they're bringing in every form of authoritarianism they can.

00:08:23.000 Biden said over a year ago he's going to declare questioning elections or questioning lockdowns or questioning forced inoculations as terrorism.

00:08:34.000 And so they're just simply trying to outlaw their political opposition right now.

00:08:39.000 What do we do about it?

00:08:42.000 We don't get violent.

00:08:44.000 We don't get baited by them.

00:08:45.000 We are culturally winning, not even as conservatives or Christians, but as populists that just want a free nation.

00:08:55.000 And so people know Biden increased the inflation.

00:08:59.000 They know Biden cut off the pipelines.

00:09:01.000 They know Biden imploded the borders.

00:09:04.000 They know Biden did all these things.

00:09:05.000 And so they're just simply trying to change the subject, but the people are with us.

00:09:10.000 And so if we just get out and vote and expose election fraud, if we just promote our ideology of common sense and of family, people resonate with that and we're going to win.

00:09:23.000 That's why we see all the tyranny, because culturally and politically, the power structure knows that they're not with the people.

00:09:30.000 So, Alex, let me ask you: do you think yesterday raid of Mar-a-Lago is an act of desperation?

00:09:35.000 It certainly feels that way, that the great reset crowd, you know, the Davos crew, that they are freaking out that the people are starting to actually restore to some voice.

00:09:45.000 Is there some, do you feel that?

00:09:47.000 Do you think all of a sudden that they're acting out of a sense of paranoia and last-minute desperation?

00:09:52.000 I mean, I totally agree, Charlie.

00:09:54.000 This is 100% desperation when you've got this incredibly popular president who is set to announce he's running again and you don't know what to do.

00:10:04.000 So you raid him when the federal law says a president can get anything he wants from the National Archives or his presidential library.

00:10:11.000 This is all a giant red herring to try to disqualify Trump for running in 2024.

00:10:16.000 And I predict it will make Trump run and it will make Trump win.

00:10:20.000 I think they've jumped the shark on this.

00:10:24.000 Yeah, and it's the question is then, how do we respond to it?

00:10:28.000 And then what is the, I mean, so you talk about the globalists a lot.

00:10:32.000 Do you think there's any disagreement within the globalists on actually how to handle this stuff?

00:10:36.000 I mean, it seems like there's more dissension in those ranks than people actually would ever recognize.

00:10:42.000 That there might be actually a globalist civil war happening soon.

00:10:45.000 Your thoughts, Alex?

00:10:47.000 Well, Charlie, that's really smart.

00:10:49.000 I mean, that is.

00:10:50.000 I have met with Bilderberg attendees.

00:10:52.000 I've met with top billionaires that don't like what the main globalist system is doing.

00:10:57.000 Yes.

00:10:57.000 So to think that there's only one globalist or one super power structure, that's not true.

00:11:03.000 There are a lot of people that are very wealthy and very powerful that don't like what's happening.

00:11:08.000 And they're just waiting for the people to stand up and not submit so that they can basically back us as well.

00:11:15.000 So that's absolutely on target.

00:11:19.000 Are you like every one of us that thinks our country has gone nuts, whether it's Russia Gate market crashes or selling oil to China or this insane inflation?

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00:12:20.000 Alex, you were banned in one day.

00:12:23.000 Talk about this.

00:12:24.000 Apple iCloud, Facebook, Twitter, Google.

00:12:27.000 It was simultaneous.

00:12:28.000 There was collusion.

00:12:30.000 It was you first, and they went after all of us afterwards.

00:12:35.000 How do you keep going?

00:12:36.000 What's the lesson for the everyday American that gets canceled?

00:12:39.000 It was Alex Jones first, and they went after Donald Trump.

00:12:41.000 It's Alex Jones first, and they raid Mar-a-Lago.

00:12:44.000 Like you said, you're patient zero.

00:12:45.000 What keeps you going?

00:12:46.000 What's your advice to the Everyday American?

00:12:48.000 Well, it's actually the four-year anniversary yesterday.

00:12:50.000 It was August 8th, 2018, that I woke up at like 4 a.m. like I always do, and all my alerts were going off.

00:12:59.000 My inbox was full.

00:13:00.000 And it was Tim Cook met with the other heads of the other big five tech companies, Facebook, Google, Twitter, you name it.

00:13:09.000 Apple, which he headed up, and made the decision to ban Alex Jones.

00:13:13.000 And then over 100 other platforms from Uber Eats to LinkedIn, Uber Eats, everything.

00:13:21.000 They said that you no longer can order Uber Eats.

00:13:23.000 Is that what they did?

00:13:24.000 My name was put into the social credit score database that they're already setting up.

00:13:24.000 That's right.

00:13:30.000 I was the test case, patient zero for the social credit score, putting us into that.

00:13:36.000 And so I saw that happen, and I told listeners, I said, this is for you.

00:13:41.000 This is a precedent-setting case for everybody.

00:13:43.000 And now they admit that.

00:13:44.000 So now with lawfare and rigged courts and weaponized judiciary and weaponized law enforcement, now what's happening to me, they admit, they said in closing arguments last week in the stage Sandy Hook trial, again where the judge said I was already guilty, they said, we're going to silence him.

00:14:02.000 We're going to take him out.

00:14:03.000 These are quotes.

00:14:05.000 We're going to take his megaphone and then we're going to take everybody else's megaphone.

00:14:10.000 Anybody that questions us, the judge said, I am truth.

00:14:14.000 You are not.

00:14:15.000 What I say is truth.

00:14:16.000 What you say is lies.

00:14:17.000 Those are quotes right out of 1984.

00:14:20.000 So they have devolved into what George Arwell wrote about in 1947.

00:14:25.000 Yes.

00:14:26.000 They have literally devolved into the most classical form of tyranny because humans do the same cycles over and over again.

00:14:33.000 So we look at this and we think, well, that's history books.

00:14:35.000 No, that's happening now, Charlie.

00:14:37.000 Orwell said, all tyrannies rule through fraud and force, but once the fraud is exposed, they must rely exclusively on force.

00:14:44.000 And that's one of the things that we must then rely on, right, Alex, which is freedom of speech, discourse, and dialogue.

00:14:51.000 You call it out how it is, but it's not just the Democrats.

00:14:55.000 There's a uniparty component to this.

00:14:57.000 You saw this with the response or the lack thereof to the raid on Mar-a-Lago.

00:15:02.000 Why do some people on the right not get what moment it is?

00:15:05.000 I mean, it should be totally clear after yesterday.

00:15:08.000 Well, that's right.

00:15:09.000 A lot of people think keeping their heads down is how they've won.

00:15:13.000 And yeah, while America was running, while America was being taken over the last 50 years, keeping your head down, going along might have protected you.

00:15:20.000 But now, when they're collapsing things by design with the great reset, submission is death.

00:15:25.000 Submission is slavery.

00:15:27.000 And plus, it's fun to be engaged.

00:15:29.000 It's fun to not submit.

00:15:31.000 It's fun to be the black sheep. 0.51

00:15:32.000 It's fun to be the 1776 rebels, but that's where we're at.

00:15:38.000 And so many people want to try to play it safe.

00:15:42.000 They want to grovel to an establishment that is collapsing, an establishment that's coming down.

00:15:48.000 Alex, tell us more about the great reset.

00:15:50.000 We've talked about it on this program.

00:15:51.000 I think you were the first one to pinpoint it.

00:15:54.000 Just explain it to kind of some of our new listeners here.

00:15:56.000 What is the great reset?

00:15:57.000 And I want to kind of go from there.

00:15:59.000 Well, I've been on air 28 years, but before that, I just got fascinated with geopolitical books by Zbigny Brzezinski and Henry Kissinger and others.

00:16:09.000 And they talked about in the future, cutting off resources, creating a post-industrial world, State Apartment Memorandum 200, things like that.

00:16:19.000 And in the last 20 years, they began to say we need a reset, a shutdown of the old civilization to put us onto the new one.

00:16:25.000 Then I discovered they're not going to shut down the old civilization for some Star Trek or Buck Rogers future.

00:16:31.000 They're going to shut down the old civilization to bring in a super brave new world genetic. 0.95

00:16:39.000 Huxley and Orwellian blend.

00:16:41.000 Yeah, that's exactly right.

00:16:42.000 Absolutely.

00:16:43.000 So that's why I wrote the book, The Great Reset and the War for the World, that comes out at the end of the month.

00:16:48.000 It's already number nine on Amazon, the top sellers in the world.

00:16:52.000 People are blown away that have read the book because it was easier to write.

00:16:56.000 People say, how'd you write this incredible book?

00:16:58.000 50% of it's their quotes.

00:17:00.000 I mean, they admit their plan.

00:17:02.000 You'll own nothing.

00:17:03.000 You'll have nothing.

00:17:04.000 We'll end the family.

00:17:06.000 We'll grow humans in artificial wombs. 1.00

00:17:08.000 Everyone will be pre-programmed.

00:17:10.000 This is a corporate.

00:17:11.000 Monsanto and others didn't just want a corporate takeover of all the seeds or just a corporate takeover with cloned cows and pigs.

00:17:19.000 They want a full corporate takeover of humanity.

00:17:22.000 And that's what the great reset is.

00:17:24.000 So it's a new form of warfare.

00:17:26.000 It's a total takeover.

00:17:28.000 But if we're aware of it, we can be stakeholders and players in it.

00:17:32.000 But Alex, let me just push back on behalf of some of our audience here.

00:17:36.000 They'll say, come on, that's conspiracy stuff.

00:17:38.000 How do you respond when they say that, Alex?

00:17:40.000 They call you conspiracy theorists.

00:17:41.000 They call you, they say that you spread disinformation.

00:17:45.000 But you say, look, it's all just in the book.

00:17:46.000 How do you respond to that?

00:17:47.000 There are still New York Times articles and Financial Times and London articles that I've seen the last month saying Alex Jones is crazy.

00:17:54.000 There is no globalism.

00:17:56.000 There is no new world order.

00:17:57.000 That's like saying that Joe Biden didn't the puppet president.

00:18:03.000 I mean, it's total gaslighting.

00:18:05.000 And they have announced you'll own nothing, you'll have nothing.

00:18:09.000 You're going to have chips under your skin to buy and sell, global social credit scores, carbon taxes.

00:18:14.000 All over Europe, they're banning the majority of cows and bankrupting the farms.

00:18:19.000 They're trying to buy farmers off their lands.

00:18:21.000 They don't produce food because, quote, farming is bad for the earth. 0.98

00:18:25.000 They are creating feudalism, artificial scarcity, so people are beholden to the system with a social credit score and a universal basic income.

00:18:36.000 So the plan of the Davos elites and the globalists is completely public.

00:18:42.000 And so that's why it's so frustrating.

00:18:43.000 I'm not trying to get viewers and listeners to believe me.

00:18:47.000 I'm simply asking them, go read what Klaus Schwab and Bill Gates say.

00:18:51.000 Go look at what's happening in the Netherlands and in Australia and Canada.

00:18:56.000 Go look at what they're teaching school children here.

00:19:00.000 It's corporate fascists using a communist ideology to control people.

00:19:05.000 Go back seven years ago, Obama in Africa saying to Africans, you can't have cars or air conditioning, but he's got jets and huge estates right at sea level, but he says the ocean's going to rise and we're all going to be dead.

00:19:21.000 They're trying to train us to not stand up for ourselves.

00:19:25.000 And I'm simply getting people to wake up and say, listen, don't listen to what Alex Jones says.

00:19:30.000 Go hear what Bill Gates and Klaus Schwab and Ted.

00:19:33.000 Yeah, sir.

00:19:34.000 But let me interrupt you here, Alex.

00:19:35.000 Some people have limiting beliefs.

00:19:37.000 They say, if that is true, then what else might I believe is a lie?

00:19:41.000 How do you break people out of the comfort of the lies they live in?

00:19:46.000 Because that's what you do for a living, isn't it?

00:19:47.000 Try to shake them out because you say, wait a second, Alex, come on, Bill Gates is not actually trying to take over the world and all this.

00:19:53.000 Is it just you hit him over the head with blunt truth?

00:19:56.000 Or how do you go about that?

00:19:59.000 You know, I don't have a big intellectual plan.

00:20:05.000 I just believe in people.

00:20:07.000 And I think if you show them how these groups are turning off your electricity, turning off your oil, turning off your coal, turning off your gas, trying to have drag queen pedophile time with your kids, dissolving the borders, devaluing your currency, and saying they're going to conquer you through economic warfare.

00:20:26.000 I just believe organically the public's going to see that and say no.

00:20:31.000 So I don't see it as my job to figure out all the psychology and all the geopolitical things.

00:20:38.000 I see it as my job, Charlie, to simply get people to a turning point.

00:20:43.000 Whether do you want to keep going down the robe of the new world order or do you want to go back to the renaissance and the great awakening?

00:20:49.000 Because the great awakening is the answer to the great reset.

00:20:52.000 So I'm not here to tell people what to do.

00:20:54.000 I'm here to point out the globalists think you're in a coma.

00:20:57.000 They think you're in a trance. 1.00

00:20:58.000 They think you're dumb. 0.99

00:20:59.000 And they've already decided your future. 1.00

00:21:01.000 I want you to not listen to me.

00:21:03.000 I just want you to know your future is being decided.

00:21:06.000 And I want you to be part of that decision-making process.

00:21:09.000 I have a lot more faith in the grassroots people than I do Klaus Schwab.

00:21:13.000 It's not just Klaus Schwab, it's Bill Gates.

00:21:15.000 They're buying up farmland here domestically.

00:21:17.000 And the reason I ask that question, though, Alex, is that for some people, when they actually read this, they then realize they have to do something, isn't it?

00:21:25.000 That they realize that they can no longer be in the trans.

00:21:27.000 They can no longer live in the world.

00:21:28.000 You will eat bugs.

00:21:29.000 You will drink sewage.

00:21:30.000 You'll own nothing.

00:21:31.000 You'll have nothing.

00:21:32.000 You think that can't be real.

00:21:33.000 They're saying it.

00:21:35.000 They're engaged in Stockholm syndrome.

00:21:37.000 They know that statistically, about half the public, if you threaten them with something and say something horrible, instead of fighting, they will roll over.

00:21:45.000 And women are great. 1.00

00:21:46.000 Some women are the best fighters I know, but statistically, women are three times more likely to go under Stockholm Syndrome. 1.00

00:21:53.000 And that's why they want domesticated, emasculated men who'll go under it as well. 1.00

00:21:56.000 So they know that a large portion of people, if you tell them, we're coming, we're taking over, you'll have nothing, they'll just go, okay, you're the boss, you're the alpha male, tell me what to do.

00:22:06.000 So because men haven't been alpha males and stood up for Western civilization and the empowerment of the future and a pro-human future, we've allowed sick, degenerate alpha males to come in and threaten the women and children and men to get in line with them.

00:22:21.000 So I'm fighting Stockholm syndrome and saying, submitting to tyranny will not empower you. 0.99

00:22:26.000 Groveling will get you raped. 1.00

00:22:28.000 Let's stop bowing. 0.99

00:22:30.000 Let's start standing up for what's right.

00:22:32.000 Let's start fighting.

00:22:33.000 Alex Jones, the most canceled man in America.

00:22:35.000 One thing I want to ask you, Alex, the last thing is the spiritual dimension.

00:22:38.000 You speak openly about how you believe there's a spiritual dimension to all of this, about how you think that's good versus evil, light versus dark.

00:22:44.000 Spiritual dimension, tell me about it.

00:22:46.000 Do you think there's an invisible war happening around us?

00:22:49.000 We know that just in the visual light spectrum, we see less than 5% of it.

00:22:55.000 And we know with mathematicians now, they've proven that there's dark matter that has five times the dimensional weight of our universe.

00:23:02.000 So we know that we're basically blind.

00:23:04.000 And we know that there are powerful forces going on in the universe.

00:23:08.000 But our founders, many of which weren't even Christians, most were, but some weren't.

00:23:14.000 They were agnostics, but they still said God should be above us because that's our connection to the infinite.

00:23:21.000 If we let the state be above us, we've made the state God.

00:23:24.000 So some of them didn't believe in God, but they said, but by not believing in God, we make the state God.

00:23:30.000 And so I just want people to expand their horizons, expand their understanding, and realize there really are people that have wicked, twisted, horrible, destructive, vandalistic desires.

00:23:42.000 And there are those of us that want to build a better future and love beauty and honesty and order and goodness and not order imposed by a superstate, but order imposed by the code that God put in on our heart.

00:23:53.000 Whether you believe or God or not, that code is there.

00:23:57.000 So God gave us free will.

00:23:59.000 We have free will.

00:24:00.000 The left tells us we don't have free will.

00:24:02.000 We're animals, but they want to direct us as animals because they know we have free will.

00:24:07.000 So that's basically where I am.

00:24:09.000 I know there's good and evil.

00:24:10.000 I know God and Satan are real.

00:24:12.000 We're experiencing on this planet.

00:24:14.000 It's a massive test.

00:24:15.000 And people won't have power over this evil until they realize there is good energy and there is bad energy.

00:24:22.000 And if you reach out to God and the universe and ask God to show you that God's real, it will take you on the greatest adventure of your lives.

00:24:31.000 Ladies and gentlemen, God is real and God is waiting to take your hand, but God's not like Satan.

00:24:36.000 Satan grabs you and tries to kidnap you spiritually.

00:24:40.000 God has an open hand, but says, take my hand.

00:24:43.000 And then the real adventure begins.

00:24:45.000 Alex Jones, he's not crazy.

00:24:47.000 He's just early.

00:24:49.000 He's ahead of the curve. 0.99

00:24:50.000 Alex, what's happened to you is despicable and disgusting.

00:24:55.000 And I want to reiterate that it's fundamentally wrong.

00:24:57.000 How could people help you?

00:24:59.000 Well, look, what they've said on the news is fake.

00:25:01.000 They don't have my phone.

00:25:02.000 CNA had to admit they don't have my phone.

00:25:04.000 They just lied about that.

00:25:05.000 They're so desperate.

00:25:06.000 It's capped at five-something million dollars.

00:25:08.000 I don't even have any money.

00:25:09.000 We're in bankruptcy, so they can't get us.

00:25:11.000 As long as we get support at InfowarStore.com for the book, The Great Reset, and the films and t-shirts and all of it, we're going to continue on air for a long, long time.

00:25:20.000 But they see InfoWars as a rallying point.

00:25:23.000 They're trying to shut down.

00:25:24.000 They believe they can shut InfoWars down.

00:25:26.000 They can come after everybody else.

00:25:27.000 They've admitted that in the national news, CNN, you name it.

00:25:30.000 And so InfoWars is a rallying point.

00:25:32.000 So, folks, you listen to us at Infowars.com forward slash show.

00:25:35.000 Watch the videos that are forbidden at banned.video and buy the products that keep us on air at InfowarsStore.com.

00:25:40.000 I want to thank you, Charlie Kirk, the incredible work you're doing, waking up the youth of America.

00:25:44.000 You're amazing.

00:25:45.000 Alex, thanks so much.

00:25:47.000 Have you on again soon?

00:25:48.000 Thank you.

00:25:48.000 Thank you, Charlie.

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00:27:05.000 Elizabeth said, Hi, Charlie.

00:27:06.000 Loved it.

00:27:06.000 Thanks for having Alex on to tell us out of the story warmly.

00:27:09.000 Elizabeth from Atlanta, Georgia.

00:27:11.000 Jack Pesobic is here to kind of help us do a little post-game.

00:27:15.000 Jack, what'd you think?

00:27:17.000 Well, Charlie, I thought it was really interesting the way Alex came in, kind of weaved everything through, and you certainly got him to express his take on not just the Trump raid or his own trial, but so many things that are going on and really gave us a tapestry of looking at, at least through his lens, where we're going.

00:27:37.000 And I appreciate the fact that we always know there's two sides to every story, right?

00:27:41.000 And whether we can agree with one or the other and say, well, this is wrong or this is right, we ought to at least have the airing out of that.

00:27:47.000 And that's the point of having these public platforms.

00:27:50.000 And that's the point of having freedom of speech.

00:27:51.000 But what I thought was interesting is that Alex didn't spend the time beleaguering his case or whining about himself or complaining about what he's being put through.

00:28:01.000 I mean, he took the fight directly to the front line and said, this is about a regime and a global cabal that isn't just after him.

00:28:09.000 It's actually after every single one of us because they want to make us these emasculated, just satiated insectoids that are just following along, seeing whatever the next streaming thing is on Netflix, and then not actually taking action and human agency.

00:28:27.000 And I think you could see that in his own way, right?

00:28:30.000 In his own way, he wants to feel like he's helping people and he wants to do the right thing.

00:28:36.000 This isn't a guy who they were, they tried to portray him as, oh, you just care about the money and you're just a sellout and all this.

00:28:42.000 And I don't know.

00:28:44.000 That's not the sense I got.

00:28:45.000 No, look, he has a style, right?

00:28:47.000 He goes right after it.

00:28:49.000 And that's, I mean, that's speech, though, isn't it, Jack?

00:28:51.000 I mean, this is what bothers me is people say, you know, you can't have on the show.

00:28:55.000 Can I'm on the show all these like experts that have been wrong about everything?

00:28:57.000 They're the same people that told me to get the vaccine and go lockdown.

00:29:00.000 Like, okay, set this one out.

00:29:02.000 And, but isn't it only make us more foreign to one another when you don't speak and hear people's ideas and perspectives?

00:29:10.000 It actually makes the country more enjoyable.

00:29:13.000 You don't have to love everything that was said there, but it was largely reasonable, wasn't it?

00:29:20.000 I thought it was largely reasonable.

00:29:22.000 And again, to your point, you know, I went back and looked at some of the statements.

00:29:25.000 I said, yeah, you know, I wouldn't agree with that.

00:29:26.000 I wouldn't have said that.

00:29:28.000 But when I hear it today, and the fact that keep in mind that if we're going to be the type of people who say, as Christians, right, as God-centered people, that we believe that people can repent and ask for forgiveness, with atonement being the core, the core of Christianity through Christ Jesus.

00:29:49.000 That's exactly right.

00:29:51.000 If you don't have that, that's totalitarianism.

00:29:53.000 That's progressivism.

00:29:54.000 That's wokeism.

00:29:55.000 It takes away atonement.

00:29:57.000 It takes away all of that.

00:29:58.000 So if someone's willing to admit that they were wrong and then publicly state so publicly apologize, that's the kind of country that I want to live on.

00:30:06.000 And at the same time, I want to live in the kind of country where we don't have the government and courts going around to radio stations and podcasts and TV shows and telling them what they are allowed to say.

00:30:17.000 So, Jack, to kind of broaden this, I was texting you yesterday and I texted you a picture of Julius Caesar crossing the Rubicon River.

00:30:25.000 The Rubicon has been crossed.

00:30:27.000 What's your take on the rate of Trump's mar-a-lago?

00:30:30.000 I have a couple theories that we floated around here.

00:30:33.000 What's your take?

00:30:35.000 Look, my take on this is it's quite simple, right?

00:30:38.000 There's numerous layers to it.

00:30:40.000 I mean, we're hearing reports now that Biden and Ron Clain knew about this, that Biden found out about it while he was in quarantine.

00:30:46.000 Merrick Garland, of course, the vindictive Merrick Garland wanting to strike back against the Republicans that he views as having taken that seat from him that Gorsuch, every time he sees him on that Supreme Court, he knows that seat was supposed to be mine.

00:30:59.000 And I'm going to take it out on all of you.

00:31:01.000 But look, at the end of the day, Charlie, what they've done, this isn't about the Presidential Records Act.

00:31:06.000 This is about tearing up the Constitution.

00:31:09.000 Yes.

00:31:10.000 And when I came on the show yesterday with you, I said there's two doors.

00:31:14.000 And I said it at CPAC.

00:31:15.000 We'll talk about it more at AmericaFest.

00:31:17.000 There are two doors.

00:31:19.000 We can walk through one.

00:31:21.000 And one door, that's our republic.

00:31:23.000 And that is everything that we have held, everything that our forefathers built, this nation that they built from nothing.

00:31:30.000 And then people came here and rose up from the ground.

00:31:32.000 And the other door is tyranny.

00:31:34.000 It's tyranny and it's Bolshevism and it is critical race theory and social justice and whatever you want to call it. 0.83

00:31:40.000 That door is, that door is the Soviet Union. 0.93

00:31:43.000 And I know which one I'm going to pick.

00:31:45.000 And I'm going to fight to make sure that this country goes through the door that takes us back to the Republic.

00:31:50.000 And folks, you got to understand something.

00:31:52.000 The country that you grew up in at this moment does not exist.

00:31:58.000 We have a path to get back to that country, but we are now in the fourth turning and the Republic is on the line.

00:32:04.000 The Republic's at play.

00:32:05.000 And there are dark forces that absolutely want to take us to a completely separate place that's never before been seen in this country.

00:32:15.000 We've never been that country.

00:32:17.000 I don't want to be that country.

00:32:18.000 Guess what?

00:32:19.000 Now we are that country.

00:32:21.000 But, you know, to look at it from a political perspective, I really do think that just, you know, put the analyst cap on, I am here in D.C. We're in a midterm year.

00:32:29.000 We're going into a presidential year.

00:32:31.000 I know that there's been this kind of asterisk on moderates and independents when it comes to Donald Trump.

00:32:36.000 But I got to tell you, I think this is the kind of action that moves people out of that column and back towards the top column.

00:32:44.000 So I want to play this piece of tape.

00:32:46.000 We played it in the second hour, and I want your response to this, Jack.

00:32:49.000 Do you think this is a forceful enough response from the Senate leadership?

00:32:52.000 This is Senator Tim Scott.

00:32:54.000 I want you to think about this.

00:32:56.000 Is him on a chance to really dunk on the FBI?

00:33:00.000 This is your Republican leadership.

00:33:01.000 Play cut 40.

00:33:04.000 Do you think the FBI, do you still believe and trust in the FBI to do its job, even with a former president, in a nonpartisan way?

00:33:12.000 Or do you believe, as the former president says, that the FBI is executing a witch hunt?

00:33:17.000 Well, we've had the FBI before, the Judiciary Committee, just in the last two weeks, trying to figure out why they do what they do.

00:33:26.000 And there's been lots of questions before this raid about whether or not the FBI is doing their job apolitical.

00:33:33.000 And we don't know the answer to that question yet.

00:33:36.000 I have doubts about the FBI.

00:33:37.000 This is going to raise more questions, in my opinion.

00:33:40.000 We need to let this play out and see exactly what happens.

00:33:44.000 Jack, we need to let this play out.

00:33:45.000 We don't know if the FBI is political or not.

00:33:47.000 Your thoughts.

00:33:49.000 Charlie, I've said it before.

00:33:51.000 The left plays to win and the Republicans just play.

00:33:55.000 And you hear right there, it's like, oh, let's just play.

00:33:57.000 Let's just play it out.

00:33:58.000 Let's see what happens.

00:33:58.000 Let's see where this goes.

00:34:00.000 Are you kidding me?

00:34:01.000 Chris Ray was just in the Judiciary Committee lying to your face, Senator.

00:34:06.000 He knew that this was coming and he lied to your face.

00:34:09.000 And aren't you even personally offended by this?

00:34:12.000 Look, Charlie, are we a country that's run by the people or are we run now by the national security state?

00:34:18.000 Because to me, and I'm just going to say it, that sounds like Tim Scott's worried about something.

00:34:22.000 Oh, I don't want to go against these guys. 0.98

00:34:23.000 They're going to rape me in an election year. 1.00

00:34:25.000 That's right. 0.90

00:34:26.000 You got to stand up right now and say, I want the power that was gifted to me by our forefathers, by the voters of the state of South Carolina or whatever state any other senator represents.

00:34:39.000 That's power.

00:34:40.000 The national security state, they don't exist in our federal constitution.

00:34:44.000 We have three branches of government.

00:34:46.000 That's supposed to be it, not this fourth branch that says, oh, well, we're going to give Hillary Clinton a pass here in 2020 so she can run, or excuse me, 2016, but we're not going to give Trump a pass in 2020. 0.98

00:34:57.000 We are going to give Hunter Biden a pass, but then we're also going to go after, in a preemptive coup, go after Donald Trump 2024 before he's even announced, which by the way, I mean, I saw some people saying that he should just announce from Mar-a-Lago tonight.

00:35:10.000 I think that would be hilarious from the steps of Mar-a-Lago if he did that.

00:35:14.000 But at the end of the day, Charlie, look, you come on here and you ask people every day, do you know what time it is?

00:35:20.000 What time is it?

00:35:21.000 Tim Scott, come on the Charlie Gurk program.

00:35:23.000 Come on Human Events Daily with me.

00:35:25.000 I'd love to have a conversation with you about this.

00:35:27.000 I mean, it's just an extraordinary thing.

00:35:29.000 So I want to play this piece of tape here of the great Ron Paul.

00:35:34.000 Play cut 44.

00:35:35.000 It's a little long.

00:35:36.000 And then let's just appreciate how right Ron Paul was early.

00:35:40.000 Not right about everything, but he was definitely right about this, Play Cut 44.

00:35:44.000 You know, most of our history, we didn't have those institutions.

00:35:48.000 The FBI came in during the First World War.

00:35:52.000 And interestingly enough, the one thing that Woodrow Wilson did, he used the FBI to spy on American citizens and actually arrest them if they disagreed with his foreign policy about going to war in Europe.

00:36:04.000 And isn't it interesting how recent they used it in the Vietnam era?

00:36:08.000 Democrats used it there.

00:36:10.000 Republicans used the FBI to spy on 100 different groups in this country, including the churches, who disagree with the policy in Central America.

00:36:19.000 It almost looks like the FBI was designed to spy on Americans who might be disagreeing with policy, especially the foreign policy.

00:36:27.000 So the FBI, although I don't think I could condemn everything they've ever done, because I'm sure some of the investigations and investigation of crime has been beneficial, but that could be accomplished through Justice Department within our states.

00:36:41.000 We wouldn't reject that portion of it.

00:36:43.000 I think the FBI has kept and continues to keep a lot of records on a lot of individuals.

00:36:50.000 Jack?

00:36:52.000 I mean, you don't even have to go all the way back to JFK and Malcolm X to find FBI involvement.

00:36:58.000 Let's go look at the Pulse nightclub shooting.

00:37:01.000 Let's go look at the Boston bombing.

00:37:03.000 Let's look at all of these times where federal informants have been found in and around these major events.

00:37:09.000 Let's go look, you know, let's take another look at Steven Paddock, the Las Vegas shooter, the largest mass shooting in American history, which we're not even supposed to talk about anymore.

00:37:20.000 But no, Charlie.

00:37:21.000 Don't worry about that stuff.

00:37:22.000 This is about the sacred Presidential Records Act, an act, by the way, I mean, cut me a break.

00:37:29.000 We've got libraries across the entire country of records that presidents took with them out of the White House.

00:37:35.000 No, I don't want an American shtasi deciding who can and can't run for president, senate, or Congress. 1.00

00:37:41.000 I want the American people to decide that.

00:37:44.000 Yeah, I just, I totally agree.

00:37:46.000 And look, talk for briefly here, Jack.

00:37:50.000 J. Edgar Hoover, tell us a little about the history of the FBI.

00:37:53.000 We've got about a minute and a half.

00:37:54.000 Well, J. Edgar Hoover, which, by the way, if he were around today, I'm sure he would love the Drag Queen Story Hour.

00:38:00.000 And I'm sure that he would love to pronounce people.

00:38:03.000 I mean, he'd be leading the movement.

00:38:04.000 He's a progenitor of the movement in many ways.

00:38:07.000 He was the drag queen before anybody else. 0.98

00:38:09.000 Sick of the colour.

00:38:10.000 Precisely.

00:38:11.000 He kept files on everybody in Washington, D.C.

00:38:15.000 So he's the longest serving FBI director.

00:38:18.000 And what he did was, sure, he went after the bank robbers, absolutely.

00:38:22.000 But by creating that power, he realized that if he wanted power for himself, that he could collect files on who?

00:38:30.000 Political dissidents, political activists, congressmen, senators, presidents.

00:38:36.000 He was targeting everybody with his investigations.

00:38:39.000 And so when it comes down to it, this idea that, oh, well, the FBI has just become corrupt.

00:38:44.000 And I would say, I don't know, because I'm sure that wherever he is, J. Edgar Hoover is looking up right now and smiling that his legacy is still alive today.

00:38:54.000 Because you really have to look at an institution that from its start has had these sort of dual tracks.

00:38:59.000 One track, yeah, go after the child pedophiles and the child traffickers.

00:39:02.000 Absolutely.

00:39:03.000 All for that.

00:39:04.000 I'll support you every single day of the week on that one, twice on Sundays.

00:39:07.000 Go after the bank robbers.

00:39:08.000 Go after people like the Wall Street Fat Cats and people work with the SEC on that. 0.97

00:39:14.000 But when you're going after political opponents, when you're going after people using these thin veneers, it's ridiculous. 0.86

00:39:23.000 Jack, I will agree with you.

00:39:24.000 Some Republicans are getting this right.

00:39:27.000 I mean, the phenomenal Newt Gingrich came on our program and he said this is the Stasi.

00:39:32.000 Rick Scott is going out and saying this is like the Nazis and the Soviet Union play cut 33.

00:39:38.000 This should scare the living daylights out of American citizens and say, We have got to change our federal government.

00:39:45.000 The way our federal government has gone, it's like what we thought about the Gestapo and people like that. 0.67

00:39:50.000 That they just go after people.

00:39:52.000 What we thought about Soviet Union, what we look at Latin America, we have got to say to ourselves, this cannot be our country. 0.96

00:39:58.000 We have got to say, we're a country of laws, not of people that are attacking their political opponent and getting away with it.

00:40:05.000 So you got two Scotts.

00:40:06.000 You got Tim Scott and Rick Scott.

00:40:08.000 That was the good Scott.

00:40:08.000 Jack, your thoughts.

00:40:10.000 Well, you know, I remember General Milley, he's running around out there saying that he submitted or he wrote but didn't submit this resignation letter after President Trump ordered the federal government to clear Lafayette Square when they were trying to set the White House complex down on fire.

00:40:26.000 Milley wanted to resign over that, wrote this incredibly emotional letter.

00:40:29.000 I mean, it reads like something that you'd find from a teenage girl on Tumblr or TikTok saying about, oh, you're acting like the people we fought in World War II.

00:40:38.000 This is so tough.

00:40:39.000 This is a guy who wants people to follow him into battle, by the way.

00:40:41.000 I wouldn't follow him into a drive-through.

00:40:43.000 And I'm wondering, though, has General Milley submitted a resignation letter yet?

00:40:48.000 Because clearly, this is the government doing exactly the same thing.

00:40:51.000 In fact, maybe 10 times worse.

00:40:53.000 But look, at the end of the day, we can play double standards and we can issue statements.

00:40:58.000 I want action.

00:40:59.000 I want people to see, I want our elected leaders, our Republican leaders, whether you're a governor or whether you're a senator, tell me what you are doing.

00:41:07.000 Are you going to enable, empower the sheriffs to prevent something like this from happening on your soil again if this is your state?

00:41:13.000 If you're in the Senate or if you're in the House looking at becoming the next majority, are you going to open up investigations directly into the funding of the FBI, the conduct of these classified investigations, the conduct of FBI informants, whether or not they were involved in January 6th?

00:41:27.000 Go read Revolver if you want to find out anything about that.

00:41:30.000 Where is the action?

00:41:32.000 And I'm not, and I'm going to say it, I don't want the Trey Gowdy stuff anymore, right?

00:41:37.000 We're done with that.

00:41:37.000 We're done with the bait and switch.

00:41:39.000 I want brass tax.

00:41:41.000 Show me the documents.

00:41:42.000 I want Senator Church up there telling me the CIA's got a heart attack gun, right?

00:41:46.000 Tell me what's actually going on in these agencies.

00:41:50.000 Is it a heart attack gun?

00:41:52.000 Go back to the church committee.

00:41:53.000 It was at one point, Frank Church gets up there, holds up the gun, and says the CIA has a gun that causes heart attacks.

00:42:00.000 I have heard that before.

00:42:01.000 I just want to make sure I heard it from you.

00:42:04.000 And when you look it up, it's the CIA's heart attack gun history of yesterday.

00:42:07.000 Senator Frank Church displays the CIA's top secret weapon known as the heart attack gun in 1975.

00:42:12.000 You got to wonder if they still have that.

00:42:14.000 Years ago.

00:42:14.000 So if that was 50 years ago, what do you have now when we're talking about designer bioweapons that can affect one person based on their DNA?

00:42:21.000 Yeah, so what are the likelihood we actually get a Republican Party that does a church-style committee?

00:42:27.000 Well, I think what's amazing, Charlie, and I said this yesterday, but to tease it out again, it's that there is a third party in the United States of America right now, a viable third party, and that's called MAGA.

00:42:36.000 Okay, it's ensconced within the Republican Party, but it is a third party.

00:42:41.000 And I think we need to kind of start branding it that way, that there's this old right and the new right.

00:42:45.000 And if you want to be part of the new right, you have to find out those candidates like the Kerry Lakes, like the Joe Kents, like the Doug Mastrianos, like the JD Vances, like the Blake Masters out there who understand what time it is and are actually willing to move the ball down the field to move the needle rather than go onto what was it, CBS and say, just gotta let this play out.

00:43:07.000 See what happens.

00:43:08.000 Just let it play out, man.

00:43:09.000 Just let it play out.

00:43:10.000 We'll see.

00:43:11.000 I don't know.

00:43:11.000 Don't come after me, please.

00:43:13.000 That's exactly right.

00:43:13.000 Just don't raid me.

00:43:14.000 That's what's exactly what Tim Scott is saying.

00:43:17.000 Now I'm asking some questions about that guy.

00:43:19.000 Interesting.

00:43:21.000 Needless to say.

00:43:22.000 Jack Pisobic, thank you so much.

00:43:23.000 And also, your show is on Real America's Voice every day, every night at 10 p.m. Eastern.

00:43:27.000 Is that right?

00:43:28.000 Check us out, 10 p.m.

00:43:29.000 We got myself, we got Drew Hernandez.

00:43:31.000 I believe Alex is going to be on Frontlines as well with Drew.

00:43:33.000 So check us out.

00:43:34.000 We got a new block.

00:43:35.000 And so we've got Bannon and Charlie in the mornings on RAV and the middle of the day there.

00:43:40.000 And now you've got Pozo and Drew in the evenings.

00:43:42.000 Very good.

00:43:43.000 Jack Posobic, thank you so much.

00:43:45.000 Thanks for watching, huh?

00:43:46.000 Thanks so much for listening.

00:43:47.000 Everybody, email me your thoughts as always: freedom at charliekirk.com.

00:43:50.000 Thanks so much for listening.

00:43:52.000 God bless.

00:43:55.000 For more on many of these stories and news you can trust, go to CharlieKirk.com.

The Charlie Kirk Show - August 10, 2022

“Not Crazy, Just Early” — My Interview with Alex Jones

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