The Charlie Kirk Show - July 18, 2023


Retribution Tour 2024? with Donald Trump Jr. and Rep. Russell Fry


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Donald Trump Jr. responds to the ACTUAL Jamboree, and Rep. Russell Friesen (R-S.C.) joins us to discuss breaking news from the House Oversight Committee on the Biden/Hunter Biden investigation.

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00:00:00.000 Hey everybody, today in the Charlie Kirk Show, we have Donald Trump Jr. join us to respond to the ACTCON.
00:00:06.000 Let's just say jamboree.
00:00:08.000 A lot to talk about from there.
00:00:11.000 And we have Congressman Russell Fry joining us from the House Oversight Committee for some breaking news.
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00:00:39.000 Here we go.
00:00:40.000 Charlie, what you've done is incredible here.
00:00:42.000 Maybe Charlie Kirk is on the college campus.
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00:01:23.000 Joining us now is Congressman Russell Fry from the great state of South Carolina from the House Oversight Committee.
00:01:30.000 There's some incredible breaking news that we want to cover.
00:01:33.000 Congressman, thank you for making time.
00:01:35.000 Walk us through this breaking news of the interviews you conducted with the transcribed interview with the former FBI supervisor, supervisory special agent.
00:01:44.000 This is some bombshell stuff, Congressman.
00:01:46.000 Yeah, look, tomorrow we have two IRS whistleblowers that are coming forward.
00:01:50.000 One of them is Mr. Shapley, who's been well documented on the media talking about ways in which he was stonewalled.
00:01:56.000 The investigation was derailed.
00:01:58.000 They allowed the statute of limitations to run.
00:02:01.000 So you have these two IRS whistleblowers on the one hand that are coming tomorrow, which is going to be great.
00:02:06.000 But we have right now FBI officials in Wilmington, Delaware who have corroborated key parts of Mr. Shapley's testimony that things were, that the investigation was kind of led off the reservation, so to speak, and that they weren't allowed to do their job.
00:02:26.000 And so I think this is important to set that narrative that these guys are telling the truth.
00:02:31.000 You have two career IRS people that have prosecuted and investigated some of the biggest international attack crimes in our country's history.
00:02:40.000 They're career folks.
00:02:41.000 One of them is a Democrat.
00:02:43.000 And here they are coming forward tomorrow into the sunlight to tell the American people their story.
00:02:48.000 And that has been backed up on a large portion by what happened yesterday with this FBI, this FBI witness.
00:02:56.000 So, yeah, I want to just read the part of the tweet, which is so interesting to me.
00:03:02.000 So this agent, this supervisory special agent, confirmed key portions of the IRS whistleblower's testimony.
00:03:09.000 Now, listen to this.
00:03:12.000 Including that both Secret Service headquarters and the Biden transition team, so Biden was not even yet president.
00:03:21.000 This is the Trump administration, okay?
00:03:24.000 We're tipped off about the planned Hunter-Biden interview.
00:03:29.000 In fact, on the day of the Hunter-Biden interview, federal agents were told to stand by and to not approach Hunter Biden.
00:03:37.000 They had to wait for his call.
00:03:39.000 As a result of this change in plans, IRS and FBI criminal investigators never got to interview Hunter Biden as part of the investigation.
00:03:48.000 So, Congressman, this is why Donald Trump was president.
00:03:51.000 While this is not Merrick Garland, we can't put that as his feet.
00:03:55.000 Who is the maestro, the conductor?
00:03:57.000 Who is running air traffic control for this?
00:03:59.000 Is it Christopher Wray?
00:04:01.000 Was it Bill Barr?
00:04:02.000 Who's in charge?
00:04:04.000 I mean, that's a great question.
00:04:05.000 I think there are questions that I have right now.
00:04:08.000 You know, the U.S. attorney for Delaware, who the Democrats talk about was a Trump appointee, he says that he wasn't given clearance out of Washington or California or wherever.
00:04:18.000 But there's some testimony from Mr. Shapley that seems to indicate that this might be on Mr. Weiss.
00:04:22.000 And so this is part and parcel to what the oversight committee is investigating.
00:04:26.000 I think it's really ridiculous that the Bidens were tipped off, that the storage unit that had some of these items that they were going to look at, that they were tipped off that they wanted to look into that, which would allow anybody to go in and rummage through and cherry-pick certain documents that might be damning to the Biden family.
00:04:47.000 This is the problem with this investigation.
00:04:49.000 And I'm glad that Mr. Shapley has blown the whistle.
00:04:52.000 I'm glad that Mr. Eck, whose identification will be revealed tomorrow, have decided to come forward because we wouldn't know this.
00:04:59.000 But they, one of them being a lifelong Democrat, they looked at this and said, there's something wrong here.
00:05:05.000 These people dedicated years of their life to this investigation and then were removed.
00:05:10.000 That sounds a little suspicious because it is.
00:05:13.000 Yeah, this is amazing.
00:05:16.000 And so the administrative state seems just unrepentant and even more aggressive than ever.
00:05:22.000 The other part of the tweet from the House Oversight Committee is that the former FBI special agent, Super Bar Special Agent, told committee investigators he had never been told to wait outside to be contacted by the subject of an investigation.
00:05:35.000 We have the whole tweet up there.
00:05:37.000 So what is the timeline then, Congressman, of what you anticipate to happen with the House Oversight Committee?
00:05:43.000 Because, you know, you have trapdoors, you have this maze, you have double-sided mirrors, you have smokescreen lying, destruction of documents.
00:05:51.000 They like to run out the clock. 0.98
00:05:52.000 That's what the bureaucrats do.
00:05:53.000 The administrative state, they say, we are here forever.
00:05:56.000 You're temporary. 0.98
00:05:57.000 We hate you.
00:05:58.000 What are the next courses of action that you plan to take at the House Oversight Committee?
00:06:03.000 I think, you know, continuing to get bank records, continuing to examine witnesses.
00:06:07.000 I mean, yesterday was great to corroborate Mr. Shapley's testimony.
00:06:11.000 I mean, people are trying to go after his character and his honesty in coming forward.
00:06:16.000 And so having that corroborating evidence, I think, is really key.
00:06:20.000 Continuing to develop the timeline, if you look at the Oversight Committee's website today, there is a timeline of, you know, during Vice President Biden's time in office of when LLCs were formed, when certain transactions to the Biden families happened from Romania, from China, from the Ukraine.
00:06:40.000 There is a whole host of things that we have uncovered in five months, which is more than the FBI and the DOJ have done in five years.
00:06:47.000 And so we're going to continue to do what the American people hired us to do, which is to shed light on this, which will guide, hopefully, legislation and continued pressure on this administration for what purports to be influence peddling on the world stage.
00:07:03.000 So, Congressman, I want to just talk personally here.
00:07:06.000 Are you even shocked at how brazen this behavior is?
00:07:09.000 I mean, you come into the House majority, you have some level of expectations, right?
00:07:14.000 And you have some level of like, okay, here's what we think is going on, and it's kind of somewhat speculation.
00:07:20.000 Now that you have the goods, and you guys have done an amazing job, I got to brag on you guys, the specificity of how you guys have been able to lay this out.
00:07:30.000 There's no abstractions.
00:07:32.000 There's no guesswork.
00:07:34.000 This is written like a prosecutor's report.
00:07:40.000 I mean, it is time, place, manner, transaction, dates, times, third-party corroboration, bank records is amazing.
00:07:48.000 But are you even shocked at how brazen and how just flagrant this pattern of behavior is?
00:07:55.000 I am, and I think the American people are.
00:07:57.000 I mean, you think about this growing up.
00:08:00.000 You know, when you were playing cops and robbers, we hold these federal agencies, the FBI, the DOJ, to the highest ethical standards.
00:08:08.000 We think that the prosecutions that happen or that don't happen are based on the fact and the law, but that doesn't seem to be the case here.
00:08:16.000 And that's, I think, what's shocking to me and really shocking to people that I interact with in the district and really across the country is that the facts aren't really dictating the terms of engagement by the FBI or the DOJ.
00:08:28.000 It's political pressure, right?
00:08:30.000 And we're seeing this on one hand when we talk about the weaponization of government, prosecutions of presidents or people who are associated on one side of the political spectrum, and then they slow walk and delay and do everything they can to disrupt any legitimate investigation into somebody else based on their political persuasions.
00:08:49.000 I think this shocked the conscience of who we are as a country.
00:08:51.000 This isn't who we are as a country.
00:08:54.000 And I expect better of our federal agencies.
00:08:57.000 In closing, have you seen evidence, and people need to check it out, by the way, have you seen evidence that could potentially border on treason by the Biden family?
00:09:08.000 Yeah, I don't know where this goes, but I'll tell you what is shocking to me the most is that this influence peddling, you know, you point to any business, you know, drive down the road, that business sells cheeseburgers, that business sells some sort of widget or a service.
00:09:24.000 What did the Bidens have other than their influence?
00:09:28.000 You know, when Hunter Biden...
00:09:30.000 That is the main point.
00:09:31.000 Yeah, please continue.
00:09:32.000 That is exactly right.
00:09:32.000 No, I mean, Hunter Biden gets the $80,000 diamond into Porsche and, you know, $8.3 million or whatever the crazy amount of money it is.
00:09:41.000 That's the problem.
00:09:42.000 What did they actually do to deserve that payment?
00:09:46.000 And why is this being done while your father is vice president of the United States?
00:09:50.000 These companies were formed while he was vice president.
00:09:54.000 So we're going to continue to dig up this stuff and to highlight this.
00:09:57.000 I think the American people expect nothing less and let the facts dictate where we go.
00:10:02.000 But one thing is for sure: it is not Papa John's receipt in Starbucks, as the ranking member has alluded to.
00:10:09.000 This is much deeper than that.
00:10:11.000 Congressman Fry, you're right. 0.98
00:10:13.000 I mean, the Bidens acted as political prostitutes. 0.97
00:10:15.000 They sold themselves out to get cash while the country was falling apart. 0.97
00:10:20.000 Thank you so much, Congressman.
00:10:21.000 I appreciate it.
00:10:22.000 Thank you.
00:10:22.000 Thank you, Charlie.
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00:11:30.000 I hope this proves as an example to you as to how we beat the bad guys and how you have to react. 0.58
00:11:35.000 So there's this craven guy who looks like a total weird creep, E.J. Montini, who writes for the Arizona Republic.
00:11:42.000 Again, this stuff doesn't phase me at all, but it's important to note.
00:11:46.000 So he writes this article for the Arizona Central Arizona Republic.
00:11:49.000 How this passed by an editor is amazing.
00:11:52.000 It's just incredible how this is, and by the way, his grammar is incorrect in the piece.
00:11:57.000 He says, Trump and MAGA are OKK with Charlie Kirk's racist anti-women screeds.
00:12:06.000 He says, I preach the gospel of intolerance. 0.58
00:12:09.000 And his evidence he has as to why I am racist is he says, quote, I attacked four accomplished black women.
00:12:18.000 On one of his recent programs, Kirk attacked television hosts an analyst, Joy Reed.
00:12:22.000 That's really rich calling her an analyst. 0.98
00:12:24.000 Maybe she should change her smoke detector batteries. 1.00
00:12:28.000 Supreme Court Justice Katanji Brown Jackson and Representative Sheila Jackson Lee and former First Lady Michelle Obama saying these four accomplished black women needed affirmative action because quote, they do not have the brain processing power to otherwise be taken seriously.
00:12:43.000 Since the radical right-wing majority of the Supreme Court ruled against affirmative action, people like Kirk feel comfortably saying, comfortable saying these racist misogynistic slurs out loud.
00:12:53.000 Kirk said the four women of color had to steal a white person's slot.
00:12:56.000 Really? 1.00
00:12:56.000 Yes, really. 1.00
00:12:57.000 So I ask the question, what did I say that was racist?
00:13:00.000 Can you tell me what racist is?
00:13:01.000 That's why I want to do this documentary of what is racism.
00:13:05.000 How is arguing for a meritocracy racist?
00:13:09.000 What about this is racist?
00:13:12.000 Three out of four of them said they needed affirmative action. 1.00
00:13:16.000 And the fourth one, Katanji Brown Jackson, her nomination was limited specifically to black women. 0.99
00:13:22.000 And when Katanji Brown Jackson was asked what a woman was by Senator Marshall Blackburn, she could not tell you what a woman is. 1.00
00:13:29.000 She's a moron. 1.00
00:13:31.000 Obviously, she's only there because of affirmative action. 1.00
00:13:34.000 Katangi Brown Jackson is not able to defend positions. 1.00
00:13:38.000 She's not bright. 1.00
00:13:38.000 She doesn't have a lot going on up there. 1.00
00:13:40.000 You can't tell me what a woman is? 1.00
00:13:42.000 Get out. 0.65
00:13:44.000 You should not be on the Supreme Court if you cannot tell me what a woman is. 1.00
00:13:48.000 That is kind of what we call like minimum criteria. 1.00
00:13:53.000 And this is just so stupid. 1.00
00:13:54.000 People say, oh, Charlie, you're saying all black women are stupid. 1.00
00:13:56.000 That's a repulsive thing to say. 1.00
00:13:59.000 Candace Owens has more combined brain processing power of all these four dimwits with an exponent to it. 1.00
00:14:06.000 Literally traveled the country with Candace Owens, one of the smartest people out there. 1.00
00:14:10.000 So give me a break. 0.85
00:14:12.000 I don't care about the color of your skin. 0.97
00:14:16.000 The point I was making is that these are four people that are not very bright who admit and acknowledge that they got to where they are because of affirmative action.
00:14:23.000 Fact, Michelle Obama said she did not have grades good enough, according to her high school counselor, college counselor, to get into college out of affirmative action.
00:14:31.000 Fact, Michelle Obama, her thesis at Princeton is incoherent.
00:14:36.000 Christopher Hitchens, who is one of the most revered people on the left, said, quote, I'll direct your attention to Mrs. Obama's 1985 thesis at Princeton University.
00:14:45.000 Its title, rather limited in scope, given the author in campus, is Princeton Educated Blacks and Black Community.
00:14:50.000 To describe it as hard to read would be a mistake.
00:14:53.000 The thesis cannot be read at all, Christopher Hitchens writes.
00:14:57.000 In the strict sense of the verb, this is because it wasn't written in any known language.
00:15:03.000 Michelle Obama admits she was not smart enough and her grades were not good enough to get into an Ivy League school.
00:15:09.000 So what I did is I committed the crime of noticing.
00:15:12.000 I noticed that these people are not particularly bright and they told us that affirmative action got them to where they are. 0.90
00:15:20.000 If a black person admits these facts, then it's okay. 1.00
00:15:24.000 But if I say the same facts, then I'm racist.
00:15:26.000 So let me just get this straight.
00:15:27.000 So Sheila Jackson Lee, Katanji Brown Jackson, Joy Reed, Michelle Obama, three of them self-acknowledge, I am where I am because of a system that prioritized black people with lower grades over whites, Asians, Hispanics, whatever.
00:15:45.000 And I say, oh, and I point and I say, that happened. 0.98
00:15:49.000 You're a racist. 0.95
00:15:52.000 Really? 0.99
00:15:53.000 How am I?
00:15:54.000 What is racism, first of all, and how am I a racist?
00:15:56.000 This is exactly how the left operates. 0.99
00:15:58.000 They try to smear, they slander you, and this garbage gets put in the Arizona Republic. 0.99
00:16:04.000 But then the left calls Clarence Thomas a house slave. 0.99
00:16:08.000 And everyone says that's so academic.
00:16:10.000 Liberal Minnesota Democrat Keith Ellison calls Clarence Thomas a house slave.
00:16:15.000 Play cut 32.
00:16:16.000 Well, Clarence Thomas, anybody who's watched the movie Django, just watch Stephen and you see Clarence Thomas.
00:16:25.000 Clarence Thomas is a, has decided that his best personal interest is siding with the powerful and the, and the people in this special interest, regardless as to who they're going to hurt.
00:16:42.000 He's like, I'm looking out for me and I don't care nothing about you.
00:16:46.000 Here's a fact that, what's this guy's name?
00:16:49.000 E.J. Montini doesn't want to acknowledge that I say morons come in all colors. 1.00
00:16:54.000 Just so happens, I noticed four of them, and you call me a racist. 0.99
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00:18:03.000 Donald Trump Jr. joins us.
00:18:05.000 Don, I want to play a clip of your speech from our Turning Point Action Conference, PlayCut 52, please.
00:18:10.000 And so I saw this amazing thing.
00:18:13.000 I saw this amazing thing.
00:18:16.000 ABC News, Trump's unprecedented campaign pitch elects me to get revenge on the government.
00:18:27.000 I was like, wait a minute.
00:18:30.000 You had me at like really strong economy.
00:18:33.000 I was like, I love that.
00:18:35.000 You know, peace in the Middle East, pretty good.
00:18:37.000 Ending the never-ending wars.
00:18:41.000 But now you're adding that.
00:18:44.000 They think that's like a bad thing.
00:18:45.000 I'm like, that's all I need.
00:18:46.000 Like, I'm good.
00:18:47.000 I'm in.
00:18:48.000 Don, welcome to the program.
00:18:50.000 Just kind of riff a little bit on that and also your experience at our action conference.
00:18:54.000 Well, listen, it was amazing, Charlie.
00:18:56.000 As a longtime believer in what you guys are doing at Turning Point, it was incredible to be there to watch the crowds continue to get larger, to see people not buy into the mainstream nonsense.
00:19:09.000 It was just incredible.
00:19:10.000 But yeah, no, I mean, I think that speaks for itself.
00:19:15.000 You know, elect me to get revenge on the government.
00:19:18.000 I don't think anyone who's been watching now or continues to believe that the government in any way, shape, or form or the corrupted bureaucracies have functioned in an arm's length manner, in an honorable fashion, that we're living in a broken system.
00:19:34.000 We're a third world country in rapid decline.
00:19:36.000 We just didn't know it.
00:19:38.000 This has been going on since before Trump.
00:19:40.000 Trump just exposed it and his Exposing that to the people so they see what's going on is why there's the visceral reaction going on.
00:19:51.000 I mean, if this was happening in a third world country, the uni party in D.C. would be talking about getting into another war to create regime change, and yet it's happening here in the United States as we speak.
00:20:04.000 And it's, you know, again, it's the number one reason to elect Trump.
00:20:08.000 All the other things are incredible positives, and they've managed to destroy that.
00:20:12.000 You saw the results that he was able to get.
00:20:14.000 You saw the metrics relative to what you're seeing right now to the Biden administration.
00:20:19.000 It's a no-brainer.
00:20:21.000 But, you know, we're up against a lot.
00:20:23.000 You're up against that corrupted bureaucracy.
00:20:25.000 They're trying to put him in jail for 450 years, and that's before they bring the new charges, yet another indictment.
00:20:30.000 I mean, it's Tuesday, so there must be a time for another indictment.
00:20:35.000 But this continues, and it will continue until we say enough is enough and actually, you know, put up someone who can burn it all down to the ground, because I think that's what you have to do.
00:20:43.000 Yeah, so Don, I mean, the news today, Jack Smith looks like he's moving forward, just hyper-aggression against your father, multiple indictments.
00:20:51.000 I want to just talk a little bit behind the scenes here.
00:20:54.000 Your father is unfazed by this.
00:20:57.000 As far as behind the scenes, he looks like he's more invigorated.
00:21:01.000 You and I were talking about this with the dinner we had afterwards.
00:21:04.000 He really wants it right now.
00:21:06.000 He wants to win.
00:21:07.000 He's playing to win.
00:21:10.000 It's not as if it's just kind of a sideshow.
00:21:12.000 He's earning it.
00:21:13.000 Can you speak to that, Don?
00:21:15.000 Because if the strategy was to make the indictments make him cranky or make him bitter or make him angry or make him short with people or kind of weigh him down, remarkably it is having the opposite effect.
00:21:31.000 Yeah, no, like I said, sort of it's it's Tuesday, so it's indictment day, I guess, again.
00:21:35.000 We're just gotten, we've gotten used to this, Charlie.
00:21:37.000 This is not something new.
00:21:38.000 And I mean, it shouldn't be.
00:21:40.000 That shouldn't be the case.
00:21:41.000 This should be a weight, a burden on people.
00:21:45.000 But when you've been dealing with it for seven years, from Russia, Russia, Russia to impeachment one, two, three, twelve, seventeen, whatever it may be, you know, indictment after indictment, all for nonsense.
00:21:55.000 You know, you can have the, you know, bribery-prone crackhead son of the president taking billions from China and Ukraine and Russia and doing illegal gun purchases, you know, cocaine all over the place, and nothing happens.
00:22:11.000 And you can pretty much hear the words very clearly about what my father said on January 6th, and yet none of that matters.
00:22:18.000 It just shows you the insanity that we're living in.
00:22:20.000 And so I think that's invigorated him because the reality, he's the only candidate, Republican or Democrat, who doesn't believe it's his turn, who, you know, who needed the money or it was the natural progression of his job.
00:22:31.000 He got into this knowing how brutal it was going to be.
00:22:34.000 Perhaps it's worse than even we anticipated.
00:22:37.000 But he didn't need this job.
00:22:39.000 He did it for the American people because he's been very consistent on a lot of the practices and a lot of the incompetence that's been going on and coming from our government for the last 30 or 40 years.
00:22:47.000 Just look at back what he said about then.
00:22:49.000 It was mostly Japan, but trade practices and everything.
00:22:52.000 So, yeah, it's definitely having the opposite effect.
00:22:55.000 And I think it's also having the opposite effect in the sense that people are realizing that so many of the other candidates in this, they would never be able to withstand this, right?
00:23:05.000 Just like we talked about during the speech, sort of the Supreme Court justices and the incredible rulings on affirmative action and big tech colluding with the government, et cetera, just in the last 10 days.
00:23:17.000 Well, how many of the Republicans in this field would have stuck with Brett Kavanaugh during that nightmare?
00:23:22.000 I mean, even Reagan gave us Sandra Day O'Connor.
00:23:26.000 So it's not a given that a conservative in office is going to give you a good, strong conservative judge.
00:23:32.000 That's just not the case.
00:23:33.000 Look at some of the Bush nominees.
00:23:35.000 They wanted to put in leftists.
00:23:38.000 That's a scary proposition.
00:23:40.000 And it's delivered because Trump says what he means and he means what he says, and he's going to be, he's unfazed by this.
00:23:45.000 He's probably the only person in America that could take this onslaught for this many years and continue to keep fighting because everyone knows that if he just said, hey, I'm out, all of this would go away.
00:23:58.000 And, you know, they're playing for keeps, Charlie.
00:24:00.000 I mean, you're 450 years, and that's before you get into the January 6th.
00:24:03.000 And, you know, I'm sure they'll do their treason nonsense that we've been hearing about.
00:24:07.000 I know they tried that with me, with Russia, Russia, Russia.
00:24:10.000 It's a minor details, a crime punishable by death.
00:24:13.000 But this is where we are in America in 2023.
00:24:16.000 We're a banana republic at best.
00:24:19.000 And I imagine it's going to continue to get worse until we put in someone who will actually just tear it all down.
00:24:25.000 And that's right.
00:24:26.000 So, Don, there's some question of whether or not President Trump will debate.
00:24:30.000 I'm getting the indication he's not going to.
00:24:32.000 Can you just add your own personal commentary or opinion on that?
00:24:36.000 And I mean, I was talking backstage, and he said he was almost a hard no on debate.
00:24:41.000 I want our audience to email us, freedom at charliekirk.com.
00:24:43.000 Should he participate in the RNC Fox News debate?
00:24:46.000 Don, do you think he's going to show up or should he?
00:24:48.000 You know, listen, I look at the moderators.
00:24:50.000 Let's just say not exactly fans.
00:24:52.000 I look at that, you know, and I also look at the margins, Charlie, right?
00:24:55.000 It's different in, you know, when he first started this thing in 16, like, of course, you debate.
00:24:59.000 You had a 0% chance of winning.
00:25:01.000 You weren't going to do anything.
00:25:02.000 You could never beat anyone in the primary.
00:25:04.000 It was a two-week publicity stunt according to all the media.
00:25:08.000 You know, of course he does.
00:25:09.000 I mean, he got in a CNN town hall three, four weeks ago and absolutely crushed it.
00:25:14.000 The question is one of strategy to me.
00:25:16.000 Like, as a guy that has a lot of fun with the memes, I want to see him on that stage because he'll smack these people down incredibly well.
00:25:24.000 At the same time, sort of the realist political strategist that I've had to sort of become a little bit over the last few years.
00:25:30.000 Like, why do you give Asa Hutchiton polling at exactly 0.00002%?
00:25:37.000 You're going to give him two hours of unfettered time for him and a team of writers to come up with some sort of dunk that the liberals and the paid DeSantis influencers then run with.
00:25:48.000 You're going to give Chris Christie polling at 1% three hours unfettered access to try to do that.
00:25:54.000 I mean, politics is a little bit like the UFC.
00:25:58.000 It's like MMA.
00:26:00.000 Every once in a while, you can get lucky and just land that punch.
00:26:04.000 Why give that to someone when you're up 70% on them?
00:26:08.000 Why do that?
00:26:09.000 So, you know, I'm torn because I'd love to see him do it.
00:26:12.000 I know there's no one more capable, but I don't think Trump has to necessarily boost his bona fides in the debate stage.
00:26:19.000 We've seen it plenty of times.
00:26:20.000 Yes, I want to play a piece of tape here.
00:26:22.000 It's Governor DeSantis reacting to the news that Donald Trump is going to be indicted again.
00:26:27.000 A lot of people are saying he should have come out more forcefully.
00:26:30.000 I personally don't love this answer.
00:26:32.000 It feels like he's trying to thread the needle here.
00:26:35.000 Let's play Cut 54.
00:26:36.000 I want your reaction done.
00:26:38.000 Difference between being brought up on criminal charges and doing things.
00:26:42.000 Like, for example, I think it was shown how he was in the White House and didn't do anything while things were going on.
00:26:50.000 He should have come out more forcefully.
00:26:51.000 Of course that.
00:26:53.000 But to try to criminalize that, that's a different issue entirely.
00:26:57.000 And I think that we want to be in a situation where you don't have one side just constantly trying to put the other side in jail.
00:27:06.000 And that, unfortunately, is what we're seeing now.
00:27:11.000 He gets applause for finishing how I think he should have started.
00:27:14.000 But Don, there was that little bit of a sprinkle of, oh, he should have acted differently.
00:27:18.000 I don't like that, Don.
00:27:20.000 Well, listen, like everything else, Ron DeSantis has flip-flopped on.
00:27:24.000 You saw the flip-flop from telling Tucker what he wanted to hear.
00:27:27.000 And then he got the Trump-light approach on Ukraine and the never-ending wars.
00:27:31.000 And then, you know, his billionaire controllers and or, you know, the Paul Ryan, Karl Rove types that are advising his campaign and endorsing him said, you can't do that.
00:27:42.000 It's the number one issue for us, not the Republican Party.
00:27:44.000 And, you know, he flip-flops two days later.
00:27:46.000 Like all of Ron DeSantis' flip-flops, the reality is he's controlled by other people.
00:27:51.000 He sees his poll numbers withering because you can do a lot, Charlie.
00:27:55.000 We've seen this.
00:27:56.000 We've done this.
00:27:57.000 You can create a lot of personality in someone with the online influencers, but eventually, if they're going to beat the man, to be the man, you got to beat the man.
00:28:05.000 You got to be out there on the stage.
00:28:06.000 And, you know, Ron DeSantis doesn't have that personality.
00:28:09.000 That's not him.
00:28:10.000 You've spent a lot of time with him.
00:28:12.000 I know you won't probably comment on it.
00:28:13.000 I know I have because I probably did more for him than any human being that wasn't part of his campaign in 2018.
00:28:18.000 And that's not the way he is.
00:28:20.000 You could spend three weeks with him and not get a thank you, nothing.
00:28:23.000 It's about furthering his political stuff, and he needs his billionaire donors.
00:28:27.000 And so this is just like another flip-flop.
00:28:29.000 He realizes his only path right now is for Trump to get indicted.
00:28:33.000 So he's not going to go all in on those issues.
00:28:36.000 You know, he said that a few weeks ago before the last indictment.
00:28:39.000 Similar concept.
00:28:40.000 Well, you know, we're getting the indictments.
00:28:42.000 That's not really an important issue.
00:28:44.000 The weaponization of our government against their political enemies isn't really an important issue, Ron.
00:28:44.000 Oh, really?
00:28:50.000 You know, the reality is when you get him on the stage and it's not all created by online paid influencers in the background, you realize that he doesn't actually have any real convictions.
00:29:00.000 He'll say whatever it takes to win, and he understands that perhaps his only path right now is if something does happen to Trump.
00:29:07.000 So he's not going to entirely distance himself from the concept, which is, you know, it's truly a shame.
00:29:13.000 And as someone who believes in this stuff, who didn't need to be involved in this stuff, but who cares deeply about it now, me, you know, that's a shame because I thought he had probably a lot more of a future.
00:29:24.000 I want us to have a deeper bench on the conservative side than we have.
00:29:27.000 But, you know, man, I'm listening to him talk these days, and it's like, he's not even, it's not even like he's a number two for me.
00:29:33.000 He's not even a three or four at this point, which, which is pretty scary because I had great hopes for him.
00:29:39.000 Yeah, and he did some great stuff as governor of Florida, but I'll tell you that starting in January, all of a sudden everything changed on, and now Donald Trump's up 60 points in West Virginia.
00:29:49.000 Donald Trump Jr., thank you so much, and thanks for always having our back.
00:29:53.000 And the fight is just beginning.
00:29:54.000 Don, thanks so much.
00:29:55.000 It's my pleasure, Charlie.
00:29:56.000 Thank you.
00:30:00.000 Several stories to cover here.
00:30:01.000 I just want to reiterate our amazing commitment from our team.
00:30:07.000 Not only, this is real.
00:30:10.000 I got to tell you, I'm a little fired up about this.
00:30:12.000 The Turning Point team worked so hard this weekend.
00:30:14.000 And, you know, it was, there was some, we went through yesterday.
00:30:17.000 There are literally still turning point staffers stranded in Florida because of our Pete Budigege, wonderful Department of Transportation grid.
00:30:26.000 Literally two and a half days of flight delays and cancellations and all that.
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00:30:56.000 So of all the things that came out of our turning point action conference, the one that has really bothered the Washington, D.C. regime is the thought crime.
00:31:09.000 We have a conversation every Thursday night called Thought Crime of challenging the orthodoxy of sending hundreds of billions of dollars to Ukraine.
00:31:17.000 This has really received a fair amount of write-ups.
00:31:20.000 If you look, Washington Post, CNN, it's rather remarkable because 95.8% Of turning point action attendees said they do not want the United States involved at all in the war in Ukraine at all.
00:31:41.000 Zero involvement.
00:31:44.000 You see, Washington, D.C. is used to sending your taxpayer dollars with no questions asked.
00:31:53.000 By the way, the Biden administration has come out today.
00:31:55.000 They said they're sending another $1.3 billion of aid to Ukraine.
00:31:57.000 Can I just ask a simple question?
00:31:58.000 Who's voting for this?
00:31:59.000 Where's the war authorization?
00:32:01.000 Can we have some form of debate?
00:32:02.000 If you think it's the best thing ever, then let's have a robust debate on the floor.
00:32:06.000 Joe Biden's just signing checks and sending them.
00:32:09.000 It makes us in a far more dangerous position.
00:32:11.000 It makes us poor.
00:32:12.000 It's terrible.
00:32:13.000 It's all together terrible.
00:32:16.000 But Newsweek, all these places are writing up that the Turning Point Action Conference, they don't want money to be spent in Ukraine.
00:32:26.000 That is exactly right.
00:32:29.000 And as a secondary of that, theHill.com published an article yesterday where it said that Republican senators are very worried that populist nationalism, GOP senators rattled by radical conservative populism.
00:32:48.000 Now, what do they mean by radical conservative populism?
00:32:52.000 You mean ideas that mainstream Democrats have held for 30 years?
00:32:56.000 Literally, it's actually what it is. 0.98
00:32:58.000 Mainstream Democrats held this idea of we shouldn't have unfettered free trade, we shouldn't have a flow of people nonstop into our country, and these stupid foreign wars need to be stopped. 0.88
00:33:11.000 Just because something is moderate or centrist does not mean it's not extreme or radical. 0.93
00:33:17.000 So thehill.com writes this article.
00:33:18.000 Republican senators rattled.
00:33:20.000 They should be rattled.
00:33:21.000 There's a new party coming. 0.66
00:33:22.000 We're going to get rid of all these guys.
00:33:23.000 We're going to primary them all one after the other. 0.97
00:33:25.000 If you send money to Ukraine, if you keep on doing FISA authorization, if you are not to fight, if you stand for the chemical castration of our kids, it might not happen immediately, but the grassroots, we will remove you.
00:33:36.000 The precinct committee men, state party chairs, one by one, state by state, county by county, we need more Josh Hawley's.
00:33:42.000 We need more Ted Cruz.
00:33:44.000 We need more Rand Pauls.
00:33:46.000 And we need less Mitt Romney's.
00:33:49.000 GOP senators are saying they're being increasingly confronted by constituents who buy into discredited conspiracy theories, such as the claim that the Democrats stole the 2020 election or that federal agents incited the January 6, 2020 attack on the U.S. Capitol.
00:34:07.000 Growing distrust with government institutions from FBIC and DOJ to the CDC and NIH make it more difficult for Republican lawmakers to govern.
00:34:16.000 Yeah, why don't you do something about it?
00:34:17.000 Why don't you listen to your voters?
00:34:20.000 There's an astonishing number of people in my state who believe the election was stolen.
00:34:25.000 One Republican senator who requested anonymity.
00:34:28.000 He requested anonymity because he's afraid he would get primarily.
00:34:31.000 And he's right.
00:34:32.000 His fear is rooted in reality.
00:34:35.000 These are people who surprise me.
00:34:36.000 This is my favorite quote.
00:34:37.000 I'm surprised they have those views.
00:34:39.000 It's amazing to me the number of people, the kind of people who think the election was stolen.
00:34:43.000 I don't want to use this word, but it's not just a redneck thing.
00:34:47.000 It's people in business, the president of a bank, a doctor.
00:34:51.000 These Republican senators hate you.
00:34:55.000 They are so convinced that they have this secret knowledge.
00:34:58.000 They think they're so much better than you.
00:35:00.000 Thanks so much for listening.
00:35:02.000 Everybody, email us your thoughts.
00:35:03.000 It's always freedom at charliekirk.com.
00:35:06.000 Thanks so much for listening, and God bless.
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