The Charlie Kirk Show - August 24, 2026


Spencer Pratt Joins the Fray + Why Left vs. Right Matters


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00:00:03.000 My name is Charlie Kirk.
00:00:05.000 I run the largest pro American student organization in the country fighting for the future of our republic.
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00:01:18.000 Welcome, everybody.
00:01:19.000 It is Monday, August 24, 2026.
00:01:22.000 We are here at the Y Refi Studios in Phoenix, Arizona.
00:01:25.000 Had a great weekend.
00:01:26.000 How are we doing, Blake?
00:01:26.000 We're doing great.
00:01:27.000 I'm already in a great mood because I know we're going to get our weekly WNBA segment already.
00:01:32.000 Yes.
00:01:34.000 Yeah, there are some days that happen.
00:01:36.000 Ennis Cantor Freedom.
00:01:37.000 We're going to get him on the show.
00:01:38.000 And we got to talk about the Toronto mascot.
00:01:40.000 I'm really excited about that one.
00:01:43.000 You already forgot about that.
00:01:44.000 We have a backlog of insane WNBA drama stories.
00:01:48.000 So we know most of you tune in just because we cover the WNBA like nobody else around here.
00:01:54.000 But first, we got to get into some other news here.
00:01:57.000 Now, I call this the Spencer Pratt enters the fray Monday, okay?
00:02:03.000 Because this is a big new development.
00:02:06.000 Now, I've always really respected Spencer Pratt.
00:02:09.000 Actually, you know what's funny?
00:02:10.000 I have some.
00:02:12.000 Not directly, but like a friend group removed connection to Spencer Pratt and his wife, which I only found out recently.
00:02:18.000 You have a lot of removes.
00:02:19.000 You are one, you are at zero degrees separation from Taylor Swift.
00:02:23.000 I remember you talked about that.
00:02:24.000 Yeah.
00:02:25.000 So true story.
00:02:26.000 True story.
00:02:28.000 Anyway, so Spencer Pratt comes out with a big new video.
00:02:31.000 It's one of those like 10 minute videos that Spencer Pratt and he's monologuing to the camera.
00:02:35.000 It's kind of like, you know, it'd be like when Tucker would do his monologue for 10, 15 minutes on Fox, but it's even more produced and it's very.
00:02:43.000 Visually stunning.
00:02:44.000 And he enters the fray because he is very upset, as many of you are, as we are, about this unhinged, let's just call it TikTok brain, therapy brain, whatever it is, of women getting behind Lindsey Clancy, raising over a million dollars for him, doing the hearts, the solidarity hearts for a woman that strangled three of her children in cold blood and then tried to commit suicide jumping out of a second story window or whatever.
00:03:13.000 It gets paralyzed from the waist down.
00:03:14.000 Anyways, the whole.
00:03:16.000 Nation is up in arms about this.
00:03:17.000 I happen to think there's, I would say, foreign actors or maybe domestic actors nudging and pushing this stuff, amplifying it, but there's a lot of crazy out there.
00:03:26.000 So a lot of this is really organic and we have to come to grips with that.
00:03:29.000 And so this was his video trying to come to grips with that.
00:03:33.000 And he made a point that I also made about how Hollywood has been celebrating villains and anti heroes.
00:03:38.000 I think that's part of it.
00:03:40.000 And then TikTok has, and it's not just TikTok, it's Instagram, it's all the social medias that have come.
00:03:46.000 Created these little echo chambers, these algorithmic silos of people that are getting fed disinformation at rapid clips and they don't have enough common sense to process it.
00:03:56.000 Oh, it's a lot of clips.
00:03:57.000 I think we should dive into it.
00:03:58.000 Let's do it.
00:03:59.000 Which one do we want to start with?
00:03:59.000 Well, we have the anti heroes one.
00:04:01.000 Let's do that.
00:04:02.000 All right, let's do that as setting the stage.
00:04:04.000 Let's do 17.
00:04:06.000 Gone are the days of the true bad guy.
00:04:08.000 Now, the cinematic Vanguard is in love with finding the humanity in the bad guy, telling the sympathetic origin story.
00:04:14.000 Our parents had superheroes.
00:04:16.000 We have anti heroes.
00:04:17.000 Breaking Bad was so brilliant, but it made us cheer on a narcissistic, murderous, criminal, drug kingpin who destroyed his family over money.
00:04:24.000 When Tim Burton did Batman, the Joker was a lunatic.
00:04:27.000 But now the Joker gets his own movie where he's the hero, and the climax of the film is him murdering the orderlies at the asylum.
00:04:34.000 The arts dogwalked us here over decades with films and television that inverted the paradigm of normal virtue.
00:04:40.000 Cops are the bad guys, outlaws are the heroes, and man, do you see that manifesting in reality today.
00:04:46.000 Yeah, and it's a very Hollywood themed story.
00:04:48.000 It's very Hollywood.
00:04:49.000 You got the music in the background.
00:04:50.000 I love it.
00:04:51.000 I love it.
00:04:51.000 And here's why I love it.
00:04:53.000 Spencer Pratt is entering the fray because he didn't just go there, he's picking up on something that we have been aware of here as well.
00:05:00.000 And that the Venn diagram between the Lindsey Clancy truthers and And the Charlie Truthers is darn near one to one.
00:05:08.000 One to one.
00:05:09.000 And also that it's fundamentally a lot of it, it aligns with the left and its manifestations of power.
00:05:16.000 And we're going to get into that because something you're going to hear, we have Jeremy Carl coming on halfway through this hour.
00:05:20.000 We're going to talk about a lot of people online are now saying the left right paradigm, it's dated, bro.
00:05:27.000 It's dated.
00:05:28.000 We've got to unite against the man.
00:05:32.000 It's completely insane, actually, because think about what they're saying.
00:05:35.000 They're saying you should align with.
00:05:38.000 The abortion lobby that wants to kill your kids up until birth, sometimes after infanticide.
00:05:44.000 The open borders group that want a third world America.
00:05:48.000 They want to take your guns.
00:05:50.000 They want to take your speech.
00:05:52.000 I mean, this is what this cooked brain syndrome on the internet looks like.
00:05:58.000 And so, what Spencer Pratt does next is, I would say, courageous.
00:06:02.000 And he has my admiration for doing this.
00:06:04.000 I don't know Spencer Pratt, never talked to him, but this is great.
00:06:08.000 SOT 12.
00:06:09.000 What about all the goblins celebrating the communists who shot Charlie Kirk?
00:06:13.000 You have insane influencers making a fortune off shamelessly exploiting his death, tying themselves in knots with the most convoluted Rube Goldberg bullshit explanations to try and deny something we all saw in 4K and wish we didn't.
00:06:26.000 It was an exploding mic.
00:06:27.000 And he had a rigged microphone.
00:06:28.000 And they timed it precisely to the millisecond with the fake gunshot from the Patsy.
00:06:33.000 The shaped charge was actually supposed to hit him in the chest.
00:06:35.000 There were Jews hiding under the grass.
00:06:37.000 It was French special forces.
00:06:39.000 Just the craziest, most unhinged.
00:06:42.000 Imaginable and people believe it.
00:06:44.000 Anything but what actually happened.
00:06:46.000 Anything but the most obvious, straightforward explanation.
00:06:49.000 The woke communists you saw on camera who have prints on the rifle killed an anti communist leader because communists are violent lunatics.
00:06:56.000 That's it.
00:06:56.000 We have a communist violence problem, but psychos on the internet have made an entire cottage industry around denying and exploiting it.
00:07:04.000 I just want to like slow clap because he hits the nail on the head, and it's so refreshing if you sit in this chair, if you sit in yours, to hear somebody with a large platform.
00:07:16.000 Articulate this point so clearly.
00:07:18.000 A large platform, and let's be blunt, a good flair for presentation and in a way that can make it viral, that can really make it punch through for a lot of people who maybe don't just watch, they're not going to watch a four hour podcast dissecting it.
00:07:34.000 They're not going to watch all of those videos on YouTube.
00:07:36.000 Some of them will get won over by Charismatic Mayor.
00:07:39.000 Yeah, well, I hope this goes viral.
00:07:41.000 Sop 13.
00:07:42.000 What's so much worse than these crazy conspiracies is how it drives people to abandon their basic human decency.
00:07:48.000 It goes from just asking questions.
00:07:50.000 To demonizing a grieving widow, celebrating her husband's violent death.
00:07:55.000 It's so much worse than just absolving the actual murderer and trying to sabotage the trial.
00:08:00.000 These people have a bloodlust.
00:08:07.000 What have you become when you celebrate an assassination like this?
00:08:10.000 I don't care what your politics are.
00:08:12.000 This was a father, a loving husband.
00:08:14.000 It was one of the most grotesque and shocking moments I've ever seen in American history.
00:08:18.000 But the reactions that followed were far more grotesque and reveal a sad report on where we are as a country.
00:08:24.000 Teachers mocking his death, drag queens putting on assassination fashion shows.
00:08:29.000 Who are these demons?
00:08:30.000 What if we allowed ourselves to be?
00:08:31.000 Come.
00:08:32.000 We have been so thoroughly demoralized.
00:08:33.000 I fear that we can't get any lower.
00:08:36.000 This whole thing, and you know, we find ourselves, Blake, as fate would have it, at the very nexus of these different ideologies that are starting to shape the online discourse, where left and right is a dated paradigm, and we're all just uniting against the oppressors, and we're the oppressed.
00:08:54.000 And yeah, we're gonna be ghouls on the internet, celebrate with Hassan Piker, you know, cheering on Charlie's murder.
00:09:03.000 The inversion of morality is truly gross.
00:09:07.000 And I do believe that it is the result of a mass demoralization campaign.
00:09:11.000 And they want to make everybody out there, people in this audience, feel like they're taking crazy pills because up is now down, right is now left.
00:09:20.000 They want you to be confused.
00:09:22.000 And we cannot give into it.
00:09:23.000 We cannot give into it.
00:09:24.000 It's so important.
00:09:25.000 We are in a battle for basic decency, but also reality.
00:09:30.000 And we must win.
00:09:32.000 All right.
00:09:32.000 So the reason we led with the Spencer Pratt video.
00:09:36.000 For those of you wondering, how is this news?
00:09:38.000 It's because it synergized perfectly with what we were going to talk about anyway, which was remarkable.
00:09:43.000 It was incredible to have Spencer dive in to the topic we were talking about yesterday and Saturday as what we wanted to lead with.
00:09:50.000 Yeah.
00:09:50.000 And so Hassan Piker, who's now the mascot for the DSA, and he's out there endorsing all these people that want to ruin the country.
00:10:01.000 He is, it's just like he's this treasure trove of old clips because he's been streaming for years and nobody really gave a crap.
00:10:08.000 And now, because he's out there campaigning with people and they're accepting his endorsement, they're digging through all these old clips and finding all of this stuff.
00:10:16.000 And this one was from 2018, and it's the newest one that came out.
00:10:21.000 And it was after Charlie and he had this interaction at Politicon in Los Angeles in 2018.
00:10:27.000 I was at that event, and he goes on to stream and he says this SOP 15.
00:10:31.000 What about Democratic mayors?
00:10:33.000 It's like, what the f are you talking about, dude?
00:10:36.000 I wanna f kill him, dude.
00:10:37.000 I wanna kill him.
00:10:40.000 I wanna effing kill him, dude.
00:10:44.000 Takes on a kind of more intense meaning, doesn't it?
00:10:50.000 So that was a clip that was unearthed, but it was following this over the weekend that really upset a lot of people, including yours truly and Blake.
00:11:01.000 This is Hassan Piker on stage at a DSA gathering mocking Charlie and his death.
00:11:07.000 Sot 16.
00:11:49.000 There they are cheering.
00:11:50.000 So, for those who couldn't make out what that was going on, there's a song, We Are Charlie Kirk.
00:11:55.000 It's AI generated, I believe.
00:11:57.000 So, it was made very shortly after the shooting.
00:12:00.000 It's used a lot in online meme videos, meme culture.
00:12:06.000 And so, he's basically singing it on stage.
00:12:10.000 The song itself is not meant to mock Charlie, but people do use it that way.
00:12:14.000 And he's singing it on stage to mock Charlie.
00:12:17.000 We're 11 months after his death, almost one year.
00:12:19.000 Yeah, and we've been telling you that the rise of left wing violence is a huge, huge problem.
00:12:24.000 And what's happening now is a synergizing of people that you might interpret as being right wingers, of being on the political right in this country.
00:12:35.000 But what is bringing them all together is a virulent hatred of Israel.
00:12:42.000 Now, I am somebody that has very distinct opinions about Israel.
00:12:46.000 I have my criticisms of the way they've done certain things, I have criticisms of our foreign policy.
00:12:53.000 I am like Charlie and I am anti foreign interventions in Israel.
00:12:58.000 Most cases.
00:12:59.000 If I'm going to err, I'm going to err on the side of being anti interventionist.
00:13:02.000 But I'm not a purist and I'm not an absolutist because every situation should be drudged on its own merits.
00:13:08.000 And that's basically how Charlie was as well.
00:13:11.000 A lot of people like to say that, you know, Charlie would have been against the Iran war.
00:13:16.000 He probably would have been privately, but he also probably would have supported President Trump.
00:13:20.000 And how do we know this?
00:13:21.000 Because we watched him very closely when we bombed Fordeaux.
00:13:25.000 And we watched him go through that process.
00:13:27.000 But these two sides are now uniting under this one banner, okay?
00:13:32.000 And that's what we're seeing on the online discourse, and I can prove it to you.
00:13:35.000 The left and right are uniting under the banner of being on the left.
00:13:39.000 Yes.
00:13:39.000 And this is exactly the point we're going to make with Jeremy Carl.
00:13:42.000 Here's Hassan Piker praising Kansas Owens.
00:13:45.000 20.
00:13:46.000 I can't like her tweets because she blocked me many, many years ago.
00:13:50.000 This is before she became our hero.
00:13:52.000 Okay.
00:13:54.000 Many, many years ago, Candace Owens blocked me.
00:13:57.000 I've not been a fan of Candace Owens.
00:13:59.000 I am a fan now.
00:14:01.000 So he's a fan of her.
00:14:02.000 Why?
00:14:02.000 Because.
00:14:04.000 He credits her with blunting the right's reaction to Charlie's murder.
00:14:11.000 We had a mandate to go and cut off all these funding networks to really clamp down on this rise of left wing violence, Luigi Mangione, assassination culture.
00:14:20.000 And he credits her with being able to blunt this movement and distract it.
00:14:26.000 And to some extent, he's right.
00:14:29.000 Let me play you this clip.
00:14:30.000 This is a bunch of DSA members saying they're going to take over the country in a violent revolution.
00:14:35.000 Sop 3.
00:14:36.000 We have seen that the Democratic Party establishment that we have has to be ripped out.
00:14:40.000 We can actually start to grab hold of the ship of state and steer it in our direction, but it's going to be a violent process.
00:14:49.000 Oh, it's going to be a violent process.
00:14:52.000 Do you see what's happening?
00:14:53.000 Are we painting the picture clearly for you?
00:14:56.000 The left right paradigm, it's dated, bro.
00:14:58.000 It doesn't mean anything.
00:15:00.000 It's the oppressors versus the oppressed, and we're all the oppressed.
00:15:05.000 We're going to link arms with the baby killers and the gun grabbers.
00:15:09.000 And the third world, open borders, folks.
00:15:15.000 The inversion of morality.
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00:16:37.000 Jeremy Carl joins us now, and we love Jeremy Carl, and he should have been in this administration, but unfortunately, it didn't happen, Jeremy.
00:16:46.000 Author of The Unprotected Class and Senior Fellow, Claremont Institute.
00:16:50.000 Thank you for joining us, my friend.
00:16:52.000 Thanks so much for having me on.
00:16:53.000 So, by the way, everybody should check out your book.
00:16:58.000 It's one of those ones that's gotten more important, actually, and is aging like a fine wine.
00:17:02.000 How anti white racism is tearing America apart with that kill all wits.
00:17:10.000 I got to know where you got that image from, Jeremy, by the way.
00:17:13.000 Yeah, I wish I could take credit for that one.
00:17:15.000 That was actually my publisher.
00:17:18.000 Found that it was a piece of graffiti, I think, somewhere in California, and uh, they sent that to me as a cover idea.
00:17:23.000 I was like, Yeah, it looks great, let's uh, let's run all with it to give a tip of the hat to the publisher.
00:17:30.000 Yeah, well, so, so here's what we want to talk about, and you know this, but there's a growing cadre of voices online that are saying things like the left right paradigm, it's dated, bro, and it that is a thing of the past.
00:17:47.000 I, I want your genius brain.
00:17:49.000 Trying to explain why we are seeing certain voices and who are those voices.
00:17:55.000 We can discuss that.
00:17:57.000 Sort of starting to parrot this because I think Blake's premise is right.
00:18:00.000 And you should say it.
00:18:02.000 It's all a precursor to the whole thing.
00:18:04.000 When people say left versus right, it's way past, man.
00:18:08.000 We need to move past that.
00:18:09.000 It's really just people saying, I want to become a left winger.
00:18:13.000 Yes.
00:18:14.000 That's how it feels.
00:18:14.000 But that's our take.
00:18:15.000 Jeremy, what's yours?
00:18:16.000 No, I think that there's a lot to that.
00:18:18.000 I mean, I think it's very much this rising sloppulist right.
00:18:22.000 That we kind of have out there that's sort of pushing a lot of this.
00:18:27.000 I think some of the other folks are some of these podcast bros out there who maybe, you know, they were helpful in terms of Trump getting out his message in 2024, but now they're maybe having second thoughts and they're not sort of politically educated.
00:18:44.000 And so they're very much going on vibes.
00:18:46.000 And I mean, Andrew, I think you've done a really good job on X, sort of explaining, you know, just kind of listing all of these positions that.
00:18:54.000 Folks on the left have that are just totally incompatible with any sort of conservatism or right wing position that anybody could espouse and saying, look, you know, these two things are not the same picture.
00:19:08.000 And they really aren't.
00:19:09.000 Yeah.
00:19:10.000 And I'm actually going to throw this up.
00:19:12.000 I hate doing this, that, you know, I think it's, I don't mean to be indulgent, but you brought it up.
00:19:18.000 And I basically said, left right paradigm is dated, bro.
00:19:22.000 And then I, so I say, so I'm supposed to find common cause with the abortion up until birth.
00:19:27.000 Seize the guns and the means of production, radical feminist, anti white, pro open border, third world invasion crowd?
00:19:32.000 Not a chance, bro.
00:19:33.000 But then this reaction afterwards is very telling.
00:19:37.000 This gal, millennial expat, I guess, who now lives in Mexico, goes, Wasn't that Charlie Kirk's entire thing?
00:19:45.000 Have a conversation to bring the two sides together.
00:19:47.000 It's so telling how far from his vision this org has gone in just 10 months.
00:19:52.000 It's almost been a year, so that's another thing.
00:19:56.000 But I hear this a lot.
00:19:57.000 It's like, Oh, well, Charlie would have stood for this.
00:20:00.000 It's maddening, I can tell you from Blake and I's perspective, because we had conversations wrestling through all this stuff every day.
00:20:06.000 Charlie was as conservative as it gets in most.
00:20:09.000 In most ways, you want to know what Charlie said once to me?
00:20:12.000 He said, I will never stop trying to own the libs.
00:20:14.000 Yeah.
00:20:15.000 I mean, Charlie was willing to have Cenk at Amfest.
00:20:19.000 He was willing to debate people on their ideas, but he had a very distinct POV.
00:20:24.000 He was not muddling the waters with this left and right, is that we should just get bipartisan consensus, bro.
00:20:30.000 I mean, you knew Charlie well.
00:20:32.000 Yeah, no, absolutely.
00:20:33.000 Obviously, not as well as you guys, but certainly I know that Charlie felt that way.
00:20:38.000 I know Charlie also once told me.
00:20:40.000 That when he married Erica, he became the liberal member of that couple.
00:20:44.000 So I think certainly, you know, Erica, Erica kind of continuing on in that tradition.
00:20:51.000 And I'm sure, obviously, I know you guys and your background that aligns with you.
00:20:54.000 Let me kind of try to paint where I think they're trying to go a little bit sympathetically so that we can redirect it somewhere that's a bit more useful.
00:21:02.000 I think what they're really saying that isn't incorrect is they're seeing that there is an elite in both parties.
00:21:10.000 That, even though there are, I mean, again, there's still such substantial differences that it's never unclear for me that I want to support the Republican, but there's a lot of pro amnesty GOP people, et cetera.
00:21:23.000 We agree.
00:21:24.000 Yes, totally.
00:21:25.000 Yeah, no, no.
00:21:26.000 Right.
00:21:27.000 So they're sort of saying, look, our elite of our party is not always working for me.
00:21:32.000 And I fully agree.
00:21:34.000 And you and I, we've been dealing with this for a long time.
00:21:39.000 Right.
00:21:39.000 So we want to get them to be better.
00:21:40.000 We want a better party elite.
00:21:42.000 But that doesn't mean that there's no difference between left and right.
00:21:46.000 In fact, I have to say, as somebody who's been involved dating myself now in politics for more than three decades, I don't think it's ever been so big.
00:21:54.000 I mean, when I was in college, it was like the early Bill Clinton era.
00:21:58.000 And there really were a lot of conservative and moderate Democrats who you could work with tactically on certain things and even who might have had shared values.
00:22:08.000 And now you've got the DSA basically running the Democratic Party.
00:22:12.000 Meanwhile, the Trump administration, particularly behind the scenes, Is piling up conservative win after win from my perspective, even with my frustrations at times being noted.
00:22:22.000 And to me, just the kind of notion that there's no difference between the parties and it's just a bunch of elites trying to play us off against each other, bro, is just not very convincing.
00:22:32.000 Well, that whole paradigm, though, it's the elites versus the rest of us.
00:22:36.000 And the elites are just going to drag us into Israel's wars.
00:22:39.000 And you get the uniparty, and it's the same.
00:22:43.000 We are in agreement with the first part of what you just said completely.
00:22:46.000 We spend most of our time actually on this show attacking Republicans.
00:22:51.000 The Democratic Republicans.
00:22:52.000 The Amnesty crowd.
00:22:54.000 The Uniparty garbage.
00:22:55.000 All that stuff's true.
00:22:56.000 The senator who shut down your nomination then turned around and tried to have his bill to have every state they can sponsor their own new wave of guest workers.
00:23:05.000 Don't get it.
00:23:06.000 This guy is a liberal.
00:23:08.000 So, Senator Curtis is a lib.
00:23:10.000 And I mean, so if you're going to rail against the Uniparty, usually we're railing against liberals with a left wing perspective on policies, okay?
00:23:19.000 And so we're with you on that.
00:23:22.000 Charlie was incredibly frustrated with the GOP establishment.
00:23:26.000 He devoted his life to reforming the Conservative Party.
00:23:29.000 He used to say all the time, this is not me putting words in his mouth.
00:23:32.000 This is what he would say that I just want a conservative party that's as conservative as its voters.
00:23:39.000 And that's what we're fighting for.
00:23:41.000 So he wasn't fighting for this like fusion third way gobbledygook of, you know, sort of former right wingers slowly becoming leftists.
00:23:51.000 No, he was fighting for a defined right wing worldview to be instituted in policy in government.
00:23:58.000 And that's why he championed so many of the Of the leaders that he did, and that's why he pushed so many of the causes that he did.
00:24:03.000 And that's what stands out so much to me about any of the, oh, let's, you know, let's unite.
00:24:08.000 Left versus right is fake, is I never feel like this, there's never any payoff that I can see that's any of the issues I feel we care most about.
00:24:17.000 We're going to unite with the left because do they agree with us on borders?
00:24:21.000 No.
00:24:21.000 Those people will tell us, actually, borders and deportations doesn't matter.
00:24:24.000 Do they agree with us on faith stuff?
00:24:27.000 No.
00:24:27.000 They're usually very hostile to religious faith.
00:24:29.000 Do they agree with us?
00:24:31.000 What do they agree with us on?
00:24:32.000 Yeah, so Jeremy, play this out.
00:24:34.000 So, say we find this third wayism and we unite, and again, I think my central premise, I'm not some rabid Zionist.
00:24:43.000 The internet likes to say that we're Zio shills and all this stuff.
00:24:47.000 That's not, I will tell you, the more that I see of these low IQ Israel juicebergs, as you call them, the more off putting I find it, actually, because it's just really gross.
00:25:00.000 But let's say we combine forces.
00:25:03.000 What happens next?
00:25:04.000 Do you think that the leftists that you link arms with are just going to slowly stop believing all their things?
00:25:09.000 They're going to come our way.
00:25:10.000 Are they going to cede ground?
00:25:12.000 No, absolutely not.
00:25:13.000 And I mean, Israel is certainly one of the flashpoint issues, right?
00:25:16.000 And it's, and I mean, again, I've taken some heat at times for some skepticism, not like extreme skepticism about the way that we manage that relationship.
00:25:27.000 But again, it's from what terms are you doing it?
00:25:30.000 I'm coming from a perspective of I just want to make sure that America's interest.
00:25:34.000 Is always being taken care of first, that America is strong, et cetera, et cetera.
00:25:39.000 You know, these guys, as you said, they're sort of Jewspergs, or they don't really understand that a lot of the reason, not all of it, but a lot of the reason that a lot of the critics of Israel just completely monomaniacally excess about Israel is that it's a function of like, well, the Jews there, they're white, and this is about, you know, kind of being anti white.
00:25:59.000 And what sort of common cause does a conservative American party have with that?
00:26:04.000 Not very much.
00:26:05.000 So, I mean, I think with a lot of these things, right, it's like they're against whiteness.
00:26:09.000 They're against success.
00:26:10.000 They're against a lot of the things that make America great.
00:26:13.000 And it may happen tactically that there's a tiny bit of a false horseshoe of, oh, they might happen to wind up in a similar place on some small issue with me.
00:26:26.000 But the kind of underlying worldviews are just so incompatible that they're really just not people except in very, very rare circumstances that we can ever really work with.
00:26:35.000 Yeah, and if you could find a one off issue here or there, you know, Matt Gaetz used to do that sometimes where he'd find a one off issue where he could link arms with like AOC or Ilhan Omar, but they were very, very niche things where, and I thought that was fine.
00:26:48.000 That was whatever.
00:26:50.000 But yes, like the overwhelming majority of the world views are completely incompatible, and you made the point that they have gotten further and further apart in the last two, three decades.
00:27:00.000 So, Jeremy, we're getting rave reviews on your use of the term sloppulist.
00:27:06.000 Which it feels really, it feels really apt.
00:27:10.000 You know, I'm against labeling, like, okay, I'm actually against labeling the woke right stuff because it becomes, it kind of, it becomes like the term anti Semitism where you end up applying it to people that don't deserve to be.
00:27:22.000 I mean, Charlie was called an anti Semite a bunch of times and we hated it.
00:27:24.000 It was completely unfair.
00:27:26.000 But I just will tell you, Sloppy List is pretty great because it does feel like it is completely ill informed and it's a misunderstanding of history, by the way.
00:27:38.000 The radical left really does know no bounds and they will go as far as they need to go.
00:27:44.000 And this is why you're seeing the rise of assassination culture, you're seeing the inversion of morality in the weirdest of ways, Jeremy.
00:27:50.000 It's all tied in with Lindsey Clancy, it's tied in with Charlie Trutherism and this whole move.
00:27:57.000 It seems to be the same actors time and time again.
00:28:00.000 Yeah, that's right.
00:28:01.000 I mean, I think you hit on the really key element, which is that liberalism does not have a limiting principle.
00:28:07.000 It's always the next step of liberation.
00:28:10.000 And they can't just sort of take the win and go home.
00:28:13.000 And that's why you see stuff like the trans thing.
00:28:16.000 And the first time I saw liberals really kind of rallying around that issue, I was like, that's just so insane.
00:28:21.000 You're never going to be able to convince normal people that that's good.
00:28:25.000 And this may be the hill they die on, but they can't retreat from it because that would kind of imply that there's a natural endpoint.
00:28:33.000 To their liberation, quote unquote, project, and they can't do that.
00:28:36.000 And so, yes, and then it just goes down this conspiracy rat hole, et cetera.
00:28:40.000 You know, you get into the Charlie Trutherism, you get into the kind of just most extreme sort of conspiracy theories out there, and you sort of see people going on toward this train wreck, and sometimes are a little bit powerless to stop it.
00:28:55.000 But we're just wise as conservatives and folks on the right to stay as far away from it.
00:28:59.000 This is the point I want to like hammer home with you.
00:29:02.000 And you made the point, I think, brilliantly.
00:29:05.000 We agree that the conservative establishment and many of our politicians we send in Washington, they betray our values, and you do get this kind of uniparty effect.
00:29:13.000 I totally agree.
00:29:15.000 And so, what we're doing is we're working our tails off to make sure that more of them are like Brandon Gill or whatever, insert a positive name there.
00:29:25.000 We're trying to reform from the inside and make the whole party more conservative.
00:29:29.000 So, we actually put wins up on the board.
00:29:31.000 And by the way, we've made progress.
00:29:33.000 And you talked about how the Trump administration, okay, you can be upset about Iran.
00:29:37.000 I'm a little bit upset about Iran too.
00:29:39.000 Okay.
00:29:39.000 You can be upset about some of the decisions that have been made, but you cannot take away from the fact that what we are getting from a pure policy standpoint is vastly different than what we would have had we put, you know, Kamala Harris in the White House.
00:29:52.000 Second point, we have been lied to about everything.
00:29:55.000 I get it.
00:29:56.000 You know, COVID was from a wet market.
00:29:58.000 Oh, okay.
00:29:59.000 You know, 15 days to slow the spread and wear masks.
00:30:02.000 I would even want to specify that.
00:30:04.000 Like, we have not been lied to about everything.
00:30:06.000 We got lied to about COVID.
00:30:07.000 And that really is.
00:30:09.000 Upset a lot of people.
00:30:10.000 But we've been lied to about Hunter's laptop and about, you know, this most secure election in America's history.
00:30:14.000 I get it.
00:30:16.000 But where is the distinction between, you know, conspiracies that have some merit and have some evidence and some facts behind them?
00:30:24.000 And, you know, the sloppulous stuff that we're seeing in this fusion of the right.
00:30:30.000 Like, how do we reestablish good sense, facts, evidence, logic?
00:30:37.000 Yeah.
00:30:37.000 I mean, there's no substitute for just.
00:30:40.000 people building credibility.
00:30:41.000 And I think this has been one of the problems.
00:30:43.000 I mean, obviously, the great thing about the kind of destruction of the sort of regime or quote unquote mainstream media has been that more voices like ours in this conversation can take place.
00:30:55.000 And I think the danger, though, is that, you know, you get a lot of low quality stuff out there and you get a lot of people who can just sort of say whatever and there's no accountability.
00:31:05.000 And so bringing that accountability, I think, is really important, demanding, Facts, demanding kind of standards of evidence.
00:31:13.000 I mean, I think it's incumbent upon us to really push those things.
00:31:18.000 And so we should do that.
00:31:20.000 But you go back to this, you go back to this administration again.
00:31:24.000 For the people, again, I could obviously share my frustrations with certain things in this administration, but there's like even a million small things being done every day that this administration has done that I've been waiting for decades for it to happen.
00:31:39.000 And anytime somebody says, oh, they're not doing anything, that is just a sign to me that they're not really serious people about politics.
00:31:48.000 Because I've got a lot of friends in this administration.
00:31:50.000 They're doing great work.
00:31:52.000 Doesn't mean I love everything.
00:31:54.000 But if you can't tell the difference between this and the left, you need your vision checked.
00:32:00.000 Yeah.
00:32:00.000 And I think about what you say, and it is genuinely important that we need some ability to call out people when they're lying, when they're using low standards, when they're not presenting evidence for things.
00:32:13.000 Because we believe in free speech.
00:32:14.000 The conventional centrist left wing attitude is oh, well, this would all be easy.
00:32:18.000 We should just censor these people.
00:32:20.000 We should not allow them to talk in public.
00:32:22.000 We don't want to take that route.
00:32:25.000 Or they would say we should just trust in these big institutions, but we know those institutions have failed us in bad ways.
00:32:30.000 So, do you have any ideas on how we can bring this about?
00:32:34.000 Because I just think about what I've heard people say before.
00:32:37.000 You can't have the answer of if everyone could just do X. Everyone has never just done X.
00:32:43.000 I have a specific question in this vein.
00:32:45.000 A lot of people, and by the way, Spencer Pratt talked about it too these algorithms feed and reward the most brazen, evidence free kind of crazy stuff.
00:32:57.000 So, is there, how do you approach it?
00:33:00.000 Do you take it on at the algorithm level with the companies, legislation?
00:33:04.000 I mean, what are the ideas you would float?
00:33:06.000 Yeah, I mean, maybe there's some things to be done in the algorithm.
00:33:10.000 I'm a little nervous about legislation.
00:33:12.000 I mean, the kind of New York Times versus Sullivan sort of standard people do say, you know, I think it's good that it's hard to get Bible convictions and things like that.
00:33:23.000 On the other hand, I don't need to tell you guys this.
00:33:27.000 The stuff that Candace Owens has been doing, you know, to me, like that sort of thing and other things in that vein or things where somebody just blatantly does obviously lie unrepentantly, you know, maybe you do need a greater degree of accountability.
00:33:42.000 But I think sort of beyond that, conservatives, we can police our own institutions.
00:33:47.000 We can call out people who are presenting things without evidence and presenting falsehoods and we can sort of derank them within our ecosystem.
00:33:57.000 And I'm seeing some of that go on, but I just think, you know, we need to be doing that more.
00:34:01.000 We need to To have higher standards as conservatives and just continue to move in that direction.
00:34:07.000 Well, I think it's a fascinating conversation that, you know, somebody texted me last night, Jeremy, and said, Everything that you've lived through in the last year is so unprecedented.
00:34:17.000 It's all unprecedented.
00:34:18.000 Like, all of this is history in the making.
00:34:21.000 And it kind of feels sort of apt that this horseshoe is kind of coming, you know, I think it, I'm not sure if I'm a full ascriber to the horseshoe theory, right?
00:34:31.000 But it's difficult at this point not to acknowledge that at some point, This does come full circle and they start parroting the same ideas or talking about this unity, this third way, which is really just leftism repackaged.
00:34:46.000 And it just feels like a logical continuation of a very historical arc that we have been on over the last year.
00:34:53.000 And we just have to keep fighting for sanity.
00:34:55.000 And thank you, my friend, for being on Team Sanity.
00:34:57.000 It's always a pleasure to have you.
00:34:59.000 God bless you.
00:34:59.000 Thanks so much for having me on.
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00:36:29.000 She's the author of the book, Nothing Left Confessions of a Democrat Operative.
00:36:35.000 And I asked myself over the weekend, I said, who could we bring on to help us get inside the mind of the modern left?
00:36:44.000 And that would be Evan.
00:36:46.000 So, Evan, sorry, the role falls to you.
00:36:49.000 It's good to have you back.
00:36:51.000 How are you doing?
00:36:51.000 How's the book going?
00:36:53.000 I've seen it everywhere.
00:36:54.000 So, oh my god, you guys, it became a New York Times bestseller.
00:36:58.000 Wow, I didn't do that.
00:37:00.000 That's fantastic.
00:37:00.000 I did the first interview with you.
00:37:02.000 I don't know if you know that, but yeah, yeah, you were like the first official interview that I did about the book.
00:37:08.000 So, thank you so much.
00:37:09.000 You get all the credit then, all credit to you.
00:37:13.000 It was very brave what you did.
00:37:14.000 So, yeah, no, and by the way, you came at it from a personal angle too, right?
00:37:19.000 You talked about how your son and his future really kind of was a transforming moment for you, but you were all in.
00:37:26.000 You were all in with these guys, and you worked with a lot of the names that people are seeing right now from El Syed and Bernie Sanders and AOC and the squad.
00:37:37.000 And, you know, there's this video.
00:37:39.000 I mean, there's all the Hassan Piker videos.
00:37:41.000 We played a lot of them in hour one where he's mocking Charlie's death.
00:37:45.000 He's gloating over it.
00:37:46.000 He's singing songs in front of these crowds of DSA activists.
00:37:51.000 And, you know, and then we have this drag queen show, and they're mocking Charlie's assassination.
00:37:57.000 And I sent you this over the weekend, and you said, yeah, you were.
00:37:59.000 Disgusted by it.
00:38:01.000 And I haven't played it yet because I just, I almost don't want to subject our audience to it.
00:38:07.000 But it's important to show hard things sometimes because I want people watching this show to understand what's actually going on here, what's like really, what they're willing to do in front of each other.
00:38:20.000 And they do it with impunity, they do it with no shame.
00:38:23.000 So I've decided we're going to show it.
00:38:25.000 And here it is SOT 21.
00:38:35.000 And there's a longer clip that you can see, but this is a drag queen show.
00:38:39.000 And that is a drag queen up on stage mocking Charlie's murder with complete freedom shirt and blood.
00:38:48.000 And it's just so disgusting.
00:38:52.000 I don't know how we got here, but I have theories.
00:38:55.000 You lived it.
00:38:56.000 How did we get here?
00:38:57.000 Oh, man.
00:38:59.000 Yeah, the snickering, the laughter, just that video repulsed me.
00:39:04.000 I saw it too, and I didn't.
00:39:06.000 I didn't comment on it or share it for the same reason that you just said, Andrew.
00:39:11.000 It's just like, why subject or why even give air to that?
00:39:16.000 But I think that there is this real, like, I'm going to call it, it's a wicked streak on the left specifically.
00:39:28.000 When I was inside of Progress Inc., that's what I like to call it now, it was kind of hard at times to see.
00:39:37.000 Although I think I. Did experience some disillusionment with the way that they would talk about, like, my family, for instance.
00:39:46.000 You know, I'm from the middle of the country, and a lot of my family members voted for Donald Trump.
00:39:50.000 And even though I didn't agree with them back then, I still never turned my backs on them.
00:39:55.000 I never canceled them.
00:39:57.000 You know, I would never argue with my grandma about Donald Trump.
00:40:00.000 I didn't, she was too precious to me.
00:40:01.000 I didn't want to argue with her.
00:40:03.000 But I would see the way that they kind of like denigrated Trump supporters over time.
00:40:11.000 And it's one of the reasons that I ended up breaking with them on top of other things.
00:40:16.000 But I think that there is this real viciousness that exists on the left right now.
00:40:21.000 And it comes, part of it's like from a lack of control.
00:40:25.000 I feel like they feel like they're slipping grasp over the culture, they're slipping grasp over politics, obviously.
00:40:33.000 But that's not an excuse, right?
00:40:35.000 And so I don't know, it's hard for me to explain because I couldn't imagine doing this to somebody, even if I didn't like them.
00:40:45.000 And, you know, I kind of experienced levels of it after I ended up voting for Trump and left the party.
00:40:50.000 Like, for example, my son stopped getting invited to birthday parties and was denied entry to preschool.
00:40:58.000 And so there's like this vindictiveness and this closed offness that I think exists more on the left than it does on the right.
00:41:06.000 And that's something that I can really see now that I'm out of it.
00:41:09.000 Yeah.
00:41:10.000 It's just like a penchant for just cruelty and wickedness, dehumanizing people, gloating over Charlie's murder.
00:41:18.000 I'm told that.
00:41:19.000 Hassan Piker just does whole streams on Kirkification memes and just mocking Charlie.
00:41:25.000 You know, Charlie was scheduled, and you were going to go with him, I believe, to debate Hassan Piker again at Dartmouth.
00:41:31.000 Oh, yes.
00:41:31.000 It was Dartmouth in like December or November?
00:41:33.000 No, it was the week after UBU.
00:41:35.000 It was just, I was doing the prep work for it, you know, making the brief, like, here's what Hassan does in his debates and here's stuff to know about him.
00:41:42.000 Yeah.
00:41:43.000 We were ready to go, and I think it's utterly revolting.
00:41:46.000 Yeah, it's just, it's wild to me that you can get, you know, people look back and I don't use these.
00:41:52.000 You could use any sort of revolution you want, whether it's the Bolsheviks, the French Revolution.
00:41:57.000 But people talk about looking back at Nazi Germany and they wonder how did everybody kind of get whooped up into this collective psychosis to do these horrible things.
00:42:06.000 But then you see this whole audience celebrating the assassination of a good man and cheering it on, whether it's Assam Piker doing it and everybody cheers or this drag show.
00:42:20.000 And it starts making you wonder, like, oh, I see how history played out, I see how these movements.
00:42:26.000 Gained traction and gathered steam, and people did insane things.
00:42:30.000 Spencer Pratt, we've been playing some of his videos.
00:42:32.000 I'm going to play this one.
00:42:33.000 We didn't play this earlier.
00:42:34.000 He just released this this morning, Sod 18.
00:42:38.000 Recently, a married mother of three young children was grappling with postpartum psychosis.
00:42:43.000 She took her three young babies into the basement, lined them up, and one by one wrapped an exercise band around their neck and strangled them to death.
00:42:51.000 And women on TikTok are supporting her.
00:42:55.000 Go ahead, look around if you dare.
00:42:57.000 You will see hundreds of psychotic women supporting Lindsey Clancy, blaming the husband.
00:43:02.000 All right, he did it.
00:43:03.000 Patrick did it.
00:43:04.000 Lindsey Clancy is obviously not guilty, she did it.
00:43:08.000 He did it.
00:43:09.000 Patrick's the one who did it.
00:43:11.000 Not Lindsay.
00:43:12.000 Because, of course, in this dystopian social media era, everything is a conspiracy.
00:43:18.000 Nothing is real.
00:43:18.000 Bad things don't happen.
00:43:20.000 Every real story is just Fed slop.
00:43:23.000 The real story is some convoluted, nefarious plot by the Jews.
00:43:27.000 What?
00:43:31.000 Tell us here, because I know there's a lot of fretting on the right about the rise of Fed slop narrative conspiracy stuff.
00:43:39.000 Would you see this on the left, too?
00:43:40.000 Maybe we don't notice it as much.
00:43:41.000 Do they?
00:43:42.000 Have lots of conspiracy theories going on.
00:43:44.000 And what are the ones we maybe don't hear about on the right?
00:43:47.000 Oh my gosh, they're still pushing Russiagate, you guys.
00:43:50.000 I was on a radio show the other night with Christine Pelosi, believe it or not.
00:43:55.000 And this Democrat that was there talking to both of us started calling Donald Trump the unelected president.
00:44:01.000 It was crazy.
00:44:02.000 And then told me that he hadn't been.
00:44:03.000 I mean, it was like they still believe this.
00:44:05.000 Like they can't accept the fact that they've lost.
00:44:08.000 But no, I think there's like, obviously, I think that there's this horseshoe thing going on right now with the left and the right with Israel conspiracies.
00:44:16.000 I think that's.
00:44:17.000 You know, something that we're seeing.
00:44:19.000 And it's interesting because I think that the new conspiracy actually on the left is that Hassan Piker is being attacked by the media and they don't understand why.
00:44:30.000 And when I tried to talk to them about it, I'm like, you guys, he's campaigned with 10 different progressive candidates this cycle alone.
00:44:38.000 When a controversial streamer who says and does the things that Hassan Piker does is campaigning with prominent politicians, like, Syed, who I used to work for, and people like Shoykat Shakrabarti and Cori Bush and all these people.
00:44:53.000 Like, of course, the media is going to notice and they are going to be able to criticize that.
00:44:58.000 I love this vein that Blake just took us down.
00:45:01.000 This idea of like, what ideas, what crazy conspiracies are the left still entertaining?
00:45:07.000 Because, and I've noticed this, you know, they say that a lie gets halfway around the world before the truth gets a chance to put on its pants or something along those lines.
00:45:18.000 And it is one of those things because if you're in an algorithmic echo chamber, you keep hearing the lies repeated, repeated.
00:45:24.000 I see this with the Charlie Kirk trutherism.
00:45:26.000 The people that are really devoted to the conspiracy theory on that, they just have basic facts wrong constantly, but they're regurgitating them and spreading them over and over again.
00:45:34.000 So they never get the fact check.
00:45:36.000 They never kind of come out of the spiral.
00:45:39.000 So what are you seeing on the left right now?
00:45:42.000 Sorry, I have to laugh because it's just like, I mean, even when I was working in democratic politics, you guys, I wrote this in my book.
00:45:49.000 I mean, they.
00:45:51.000 A lot of people that I worked around, I mean, we really did believe that the right wanted us, like, to die.
00:46:00.000 Like, we really, I mean, it sounds like, it's ironic, obviously, like, I'm talking to you about this now here, right, in the context of the show.
00:46:09.000 But I would just, I remember one time I actually, and I wrote about this in my book, I was at a candidate's home and he got this, like, cryptic letter in the mail, and I told the campaign manager about it.
00:46:24.000 Of the campaign, and he actually sent me to the hospital.
00:46:27.000 You guys, and I had to be.
00:46:29.000 There's like teams with biohazard suits that came in and like sprayed me down like a dog, and I had to be hooked up to monitoring.
00:46:37.000 And then they called like a special biohazard unit to the person's home.
00:46:42.000 And this was just like over a letter.
00:46:44.000 Like, there was like.
00:46:45.000 Were they worried there was like ricin in it or something?
00:46:47.000 Right.
00:46:48.000 Like, and this is, and like the campaign operatives are so paranoid that they're like opening mail at the offices with gloves and, you know, like warning about, you know, thinking that they're.
00:47:00.000 Campaign offices are going to be broken into, or that they're going to be.
00:47:03.000 So there's just like this constant paranoia.
00:47:07.000 I remember even after I went viral in 2024, one of the people that I used to work for, because I was worried because I was getting like kind of some death threats from people on the left, actually.
00:47:19.000 And I wrote to, I was talking to one of my former candidates, and he was like, Oh, you don't need to worry about anybody on the left hurting you, Evan.
00:47:26.000 Only the right does that.
00:47:29.000 And so I think that is kind of.
00:47:32.000 The way that the left has looked at the right for a long time, when over the past, I mean, especially over the last few years, all of the political violence has literally come from the left.
00:47:43.000 I mean, and so this is like something they haven't come to terms with.
00:47:48.000 I mean, there's an interesting study that they've looked at this, and a real pattern is liberals tend to believe conservatives hate them much more than conservatives actually do.
00:48:00.000 And the reverse, conservatives do not realize that liberals hate them as much as they do.
00:48:05.000 Yeah, that makes.
00:48:06.000 All the symptoms.
00:48:07.000 And it all tracks.
00:48:07.000 I mean, liberals are way more likely to have broken up with someone over politics.
00:48:11.000 They're more likely to have cut off contact with a family member over politics.
00:48:14.000 It's all what you would expect if there's asymmetry in how much hatred there is to go around.
00:48:21.000 Well, this is very interesting.
00:48:22.000 So, Blake just brought it up.
00:48:24.000 This is a video that was going around over the weekend over this Lindsey Clancy trial.
00:48:29.000 And this woman is talking about her new dating vetting process, SOT 8.
00:48:35.000 My new vetting process for if I want to date a man.
00:48:39.000 First date question I'm always going to be asking him is Do you think that Lindsey Clancy should go to jail for what she did?
00:48:47.000 And if that man says yes, I'm getting up and walking out right then and there.
00:48:50.000 I cannot spend the rest of my life with someone who thinks that that woman is guilty and deserves jail.
00:48:56.000 Those guys are so lucky.
00:48:58.000 They're so lucky that she's so honest.
00:49:00.000 But you think you worry about the opposite the really thirsty guys who are just like, Yeah, it's really terrible what they're going to do to that woman who murdered her kids.
00:49:09.000 You know, there's going to be some opportunists out there.
00:49:12.000 But that is very leftist.
00:49:13.000 In approach, like, oh, you don't think a woman who strangled three of her children deserves to be imprisoned?
00:49:20.000 And then that's her vetting.
00:49:21.000 That's her line she's drawing in the sand.
00:49:25.000 Lindsey Clancy is OJ Simpson for white women.
00:49:28.000 That's what I've determined.
00:49:31.000 I mean, I don't get this phenomenon, you guys.
00:49:34.000 As a mom, I find it completely disgusting.
00:49:37.000 Yeah, it's very strange to me.
00:49:41.000 Well, check this out.
00:49:42.000 So, a lawyer is, I guess he's like, practices family law.
00:49:47.000 And they're actually using women's TikTok videos against them now.
00:49:51.000 I think this is brilliant and they should pursue this.
00:49:53.000 Sot 9.
00:49:55.000 100%.
00:49:56.000 I've already been consulting with some men in custody cases where their baby mama has been doing the solidarity, hold the heart thing with the Lindsey Clancy stuff.
00:50:07.000 And he's like, hey, this woman's got all kinds of former depressive issues.
00:50:11.000 She's had self harm issues.
00:50:12.000 This now is evidence and validation that I have of that fact.
00:50:16.000 You know, prior allegations with no evidence, but allegations of hitting the kids.
00:50:23.000 And so, yeah, we're going to go and swing for the fences and we're going to try to strip this woman from having visitation rights.
00:50:28.000 I want to be able to have a forensic psychiatrist interview this woman to see just how wackadoodle she is.
00:50:34.000 And we're going to use her TikTok posts.
00:50:38.000 Smart.
00:50:39.000 I mean, honestly, if you are a woman that is posting in solidarity, going, same, Lindsay, same, while you're holding your child, and it turns out the backstory is that you're separated and your husband, you know, or your former.
00:50:53.000 Husband, the baby's father doesn't have access to that kid or can't protect that kid.
00:50:57.000 I think that's totally right.
00:50:58.000 I think it's totally right.
00:50:59.000 But, anyways, we're getting a little off track here.
00:51:02.000 I guess to get it back to the left's psychology, what direction do you see this headed in?
00:51:08.000 Do you think they can chill out?
00:51:10.000 And if they don't chill out, what's it going to mean for the country, Evan?
00:51:14.000 Oh, guys.
00:51:15.000 I mean, I was hoping that my book would open a conversation up about chilling out.
00:51:23.000 people on the left have kind of ignored the book.
00:51:25.000 But I think that the direction for the country is going to be one of just further divisiveness and extreme partisanship.
00:51:34.000 I don't think that Democrats have really confronted any of their issues from previous election cycles.
00:51:41.000 I think that they might do really well this midterm cycle, which is often the case, as you guys know.
00:51:49.000 In the first midterm after the presidency changed powers, the opposition party usually does well.
00:51:55.000 And I think that will embolden them and teach them all of the wrong lessons.
00:52:00.000 But it'll be really interesting headed into 2028.
00:52:03.000 I would not be surprised.
00:52:05.000 I've said this, people think I'm being a contrarian, but I'm not.
00:52:08.000 I don't think AOC is going to run for president in 2028.
00:52:12.000 I don't think she has it in her.
00:52:14.000 I don't think she really wants to rock the boat.
00:52:16.000 However, if Abdul Al Sayed wins in Michigan, I knew him.
00:52:22.000 I think he will try to run for president.
00:52:24.000 And I can see that's interesting.
00:52:26.000 I want to dwell to.
00:52:27.000 Talk to Mark Halpern about that because he thought it was not likely.
00:52:30.000 Yeah, I've heard people make that same estimation.
00:52:34.000 He wants to kind of do the Barack Obama thing where you've been in the Senate for two years and then become president.
00:52:41.000 Evan Barker, former Democrat operative, fundraiser, author of Nothing Left, the New York Times bestseller.
00:52:46.000 Throw it up there, guys.
00:52:48.000 Evan Barker, thank you so much for joining us and taking us inside this horror show inside the left wing psychology.
00:52:56.000 To say the least.
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00:53:58.000 All right, Tyler Boyer is the COO of Turning Point Action.
00:54:02.000 And I wanted to have you on, Tyler, because we are in that final push.
00:54:06.000 We're probably going to be doing these segments almost on a weekly basis.
00:54:09.000 I want marching orders.
00:54:10.000 I want what are we looking at?
00:54:12.000 What are we looking forward to this week?
00:54:14.000 How do people get involved?
00:54:16.000 So, first and foremost, we launched Commit 100 that's right behind Blake's head, tpaction.com/slash 100.
00:54:22.000 To get involved, plan a vacation to Arizona in particular.
00:54:27.000 We need the help in Arizona, but also we are opening up to New Hampshire and Nevada.
00:54:32.000 We have headquarters in all three of those states.
00:54:36.000 So, and obviously our home base is Arizona.
00:54:39.000 But we have this dragout fight that's going to happen in Arizona.
00:54:42.000 I think a lot's going to come down to Arizona.
00:54:45.000 Andy Biggs, in their poll that just got released last week, had him down only 1.5 points.
00:54:50.000 Who did that poll?
00:54:51.000 Because there's polls that show him down more.
00:54:53.000 And then there's.
00:54:54.000 There was a.
00:54:55.000 So, the part of the problem that exists in a lot of these places is that some polls are taking all of the gubernatorial candidates into account.
00:55:04.000 Some are taking none, only just the Republican Democrat.
00:55:08.000 In Arizona, we have a Green Party candidate on the ballot.
00:55:11.000 That person has historically taken 2%, 3% of the vote away from the Democrats.
00:55:16.000 You have an independent on the ballot this year.
00:55:20.000 That's no labels party.
00:55:22.000 No one's ever seen this happen before in a gubernatorial setting.
00:55:26.000 I didn't even know Labels was still doing its thing.
00:55:30.000 And they have historically taken more Democrats away.
00:55:33.000 So the polls are kind of all over the place.
00:55:36.000 We've seen how bad the polls have been this year.
00:55:39.000 They've been off double digits in a lot of the Democrats.
00:55:41.000 I was checking.
00:55:42.000 Apparently, the Democrats have been overestimated in six straight cycles nationwide.
00:55:48.000 So the Democrats have been overestimated in six straight cycles, and it has been a qualified research process.
00:55:57.000 Panel has put together all of the different polls, and they've been overestimated on average more than 5% in how these polls are being taken.
00:56:06.000 So, what this comes down to, and what that's simple to say, is what this comes down to is a turnout race.
00:56:13.000 In all of these swing districts, every single swing district, Republicans outnumber the Democrats as a whole.
00:56:21.000 There are more registered Republicans in these swing districts than registered Democrats.
00:56:24.000 You're talking about all the races you're watching, kind of thing.
00:56:26.000 All the races for Congress, there are more Republicans than there are Democrats.
00:56:31.000 In Arizona, Nevada, and New Hampshire, where we are doing our commit 100 again, tpaction.comslash 100, get signed up.
00:56:38.000 We have more Republicans than Democrats.
00:56:40.000 So, if Republicans just turn out the same percentage as Democrats, you will have in Arizona close to a between a potential three to five point advantage just in turnout.
00:56:54.000 Now, you have again, you have independents, so then that brings in the independents.
00:56:58.000 Are you going to lose, you know, three to five points on independents?
00:57:02.000 Are you going to lose?
00:57:03.000 We haven't, we're not seeing that in polls.
00:57:05.000 Like, actually, in most polling that we're showing, and we're tracking this pretty closely the generic congressional ballot polling that the states, again, Andy Biggs in Arizona has only been down on average about four points, even with the overestimation of Democrats in those.
00:57:25.000 There's a second thing that we're also seeing that that is happening in polling is that they're overestimating minorities showing up to vote, which is not traditionally a thing in midterms.
00:57:36.000 And they're also overestimating young people by about five or six points.
00:57:41.000 And so, one of the polls that we saw that was taken that had a wide gap in Arizona that was conducted by AARP actually had about a six point advantage for young people when we actually saw a huge suppression in this last primary across the country where young people are not showing up.
00:58:00.000 Yeah, they're not.
00:58:01.000 They're not.
00:58:02.000 That was the Thomas Massey effect, for example.
00:58:04.000 And so, you and again, some of this we're seeing on our side, right?
00:58:08.000 Youth organization with TPUSA.
00:58:10.000 We're seeing a lot of young people just kind of, again, disillusioned because of the media and things like that that are out there.
00:58:16.000 Yeah.
00:58:18.000 You know, I think the president has a lot to do to try to turn that around.
00:58:23.000 And we're certainly going to need to do that before 2028.
00:58:25.000 Yeah.
00:58:25.000 But in this midterm election, there's a lot to vote for.
00:58:29.000 And, you know, again, in some of these states, Arizona and Nevada in particular.
00:58:33.000 We've got the all hands on deck graphic.
00:58:36.000 This is put together by Tyler's team over at Turning Point Action, the all hands on deck.
00:58:42.000 Yeah, there's a graphic.
00:58:45.000 There it is.
00:58:47.000 So, there's a number of races that matter a whole lot in particular that young people in particular can get behind, but our senior voters have to show up.
00:58:58.000 They have to show up in a big way.
00:59:00.000 Men have to show up in a big way.
00:59:02.000 So, there's three ways that we can lose this election in swing states and swing districts.
00:59:08.000 One is that seniors sit at home and they don't vote or they forget to vote.
00:59:12.000 In most cases, when we talk contact voters, we have Hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of full time people out in these three states right now, when contact voters, they actually think that they voted in the last number of elections that they didn't vote in.
00:59:24.000 That's so wild.
00:59:25.000 So, yeah, it's actually not even a situation where it's like, I don't want to vote, or, you know, again, I'm disillusioned or whatever.
00:59:33.000 That's a minority of voters.
00:59:35.000 A majority of these people, a vast majority of these people, just think they voted.
00:59:40.000 Like the low props that you're contacting.
00:59:42.000 They think that they voted.
00:59:43.000 We're exclusively talking to people who did not vote in the last two elections.
00:59:50.000 And they think they voted almost every time.
00:59:53.000 What's usually the story there?
00:59:54.000 They voted in a primary, but not the general.
00:59:57.000 And they registered to vote.
00:59:58.000 And again, this isn't to be offensive to seniors, but there's some seniors that just forget.
01:00:03.000 It's a senioritis moment.
01:00:05.000 It's like they just forget.
01:00:07.000 You know, you voted when you're old, you voted a lot of times throughout your life.
01:00:11.000 Yeah, that's true.
01:00:12.000 And so it all starts to blend together the same way that family vacations on an annual basis blend together.
01:00:17.000 It's like, when did we go?
01:00:19.000 Yeah, that makes sense.
01:00:20.000 That makes sense.
01:00:20.000 Right?
01:00:21.000 Like it's the same type of thing.
01:00:23.000 Primary elections are also very confusing because they're different in every state, and the Democrats have intentionally made primaries more confusing.
01:00:29.000 And, you know, case in point, Alaska with ranked choice voting and things like that, right?
01:00:34.000 Is that things are now more confusing, and people, and you have top two primaries in California and other places, right?
01:00:41.000 So people actually sometimes think that their vote had already counted by just voting in a primary election.
01:00:49.000 The third thing is, there's people that just get busy and, you know, You just get busy on election day.
01:00:56.000 Well, all that you're doing, though, here, Tyler, is you're building the case for why Commitment 100, why Chase the Vote is so important.
01:01:02.000 Because a lot of these people, if you talk to them, they'll get their ballot in.
01:01:07.000 Yeah.
01:01:07.000 That's right.
01:01:09.000 Explain kind of the, because you've done door knocking yourself.
01:01:12.000 You don't just organize the teams that do it.
01:01:14.000 You've done it.
01:01:15.000 When people encounter you at the door, are they mean most of the time?
01:01:18.000 Are they nice?
01:01:20.000 What's that like?
01:01:20.000 No, most of the people that we're actually assigning out.
01:01:23.000 So our Commit 100 program is really simple.
01:01:24.000 We're assigning you 100 voters.
01:01:26.000 And they're the best possible voters for you to go contact.
01:01:28.000 So they're probably conservative.
01:01:30.000 They're conservative.
01:01:31.000 They probably want to vote for the same ideas, values, candidates that you support.
01:01:35.000 Yeah, about 90%, at least 90% of the time, right?
01:01:38.000 And there's a 10% that are like, again, that disillusion.
01:01:42.000 The super minority of people are disillusioned, don't want to vote for a specific reason or whatever, right?
01:01:48.000 Like they hate Trump or whatever they've decided.
01:01:52.000 But 90% plus are like, oh, yeah, yeah, cool.
01:01:56.000 I would love to.
01:01:56.000 I would love to.
01:01:57.000 Tell me what to do.
01:01:59.000 Or like, yeah, I always vote.
01:02:00.000 It's like, no, you don't.
01:02:01.000 And you just need to walk them to their mailbox or walk them to the polling place.
01:02:05.000 So, if you sign up for Commit 100, what kind of support will Turning Point Action give you?
01:02:10.000 So, we give you the 100 people that you should contact.
01:02:12.000 We train you on our application and our process.
01:02:15.000 On your phone.
01:02:16.000 Yep.
01:02:16.000 Yep.
01:02:17.000 So, and then we actually, if you come out to Arizona, Nevada, or New Hampshire, if you sign up early, we will actually provide you a hotel room.
01:02:28.000 So, you can come out with a spouse.
01:02:31.000 Again, the way that I say is like, come out, knock some doors during daylight.
01:02:36.000 Go to dinner, you know, enjoy, you know, vacation essentially in Scottsdale or Las Vegas.
01:02:42.000 Spend the days contacting voters.
01:02:43.000 That's right.
01:02:44.000 And then you spend your day contacting voters.
01:02:45.000 It's a fun time.
01:02:47.000 And it's, and you're doing something to help save the country.
01:02:50.000 Yeah.
01:02:50.000 Now, this is the thing that I wanted to say.
01:02:53.000 This is so critical.
01:02:54.000 And probably the most important thing right now is so critical is that the Democrats are going to unload everything that they have because this is their Hail Mary.
01:03:03.000 If they lose 2026 in a big way, like they don't capture the House, They don't win some of these swing states.
01:03:09.000 They are totally toast for like 20 years.
01:03:12.000 I'm not kidding, 20 years, and there's a process, a thought process to all that.
01:03:17.000 Our side cannot be asleep at the wheel.
01:03:19.000 And regardless of what I call the establishment groups, the national apparatus does, our grassroots has to show up and vote.
01:03:30.000 We have good candidates, good trajectory for Congress.
01:03:35.000 And specifically, Andy Biggs is another.
01:03:39.000 Trump DeSantis situation that could change the country.
01:03:42.000 So, this is the all hands on deck for these races.
01:03:45.000 Starting at the top, we have Tyler Boyer, COO of Turning Point Action.
01:03:49.000 We're going to walk through each of these.
01:03:51.000 All right.
01:03:51.000 So, the top row is get John Slanunu elected in New Hampshire Senate, get Andy Biggs elected AZ governor, and protect Joe Lombardo because he's obviously the incumbent Nevada governor.
01:04:03.000 So, let me whip through these real quickly.
01:04:04.000 So, Andy Biggs, and again, you heard it with Rich.
01:04:09.000 I mean, We have a strong turnout base that we've fostered over the last two elections in Arizona.
01:04:16.000 People are livid on our side.
01:04:18.000 Just so you know what he's saying.
01:04:20.000 So, we had Rich Barris come on the show, and he's basically comparing all the states.
01:04:24.000 He tells me that the state of Arizona is the only one that's kept pace where you want your primary voter totals to be at.
01:04:33.000 So, we had a great showing in Arizona, large in part because of the work that we're doing at Turning Point Action.
01:04:38.000 We've got all these ballot chasers scattered across the state.
01:04:41.000 They're chasing these ballots already, and we're light years ahead of where we were in 2024.
01:04:45.000 So, our staffing and organization.
01:04:47.000 In a lot of the other swing states, there was a dramatic undervote with Republicans in the primary.
01:04:52.000 We did not have that because, again, we're working our butts off.
01:04:55.000 And Andy Biggs is, again, like you could turn Arizona into Florida.
01:05:01.000 He's such a blessing.
01:05:01.000 And scare.
01:05:03.000 You got to get him over the fish line.
01:05:05.000 Joe Lombardo right now is looking really good.
01:05:07.000 We have all of our bodies on the ground there, too.
01:05:09.000 Our team is crushing it on the ground.
01:05:12.000 And things are looking really good because everyone is like, it looks like the Democrats are completely abandoning their candidate there.
01:05:19.000 And Joe's polling badly, or did they have a scandal?
01:05:21.000 Or, uh, they just have a bad candidate.
01:05:24.000 And Joe Lombardo's popular, and Joe Lombardo's likable, he's great.
01:05:28.000 Uh, he's been awesome, he's been awesome to work with.
01:05:30.000 His team is great, he's got a great campaign manager.
01:05:32.000 Good, uh, and so he's up, he's up, and depending upon the polls that you look at, anywhere from eight to 12 points in a lot of the polls.
01:05:40.000 That's really healthy.
01:05:40.000 All right, uh, Sununu, uh, John Sununu.
01:05:43.000 Is one of the quietest, like I think the silent Senate killers for the left right now because he's only polling about a point down in every poll.
01:05:56.000 Interesting.
01:05:58.000 He has one of the greatest, strongest name IDs because of the Sununu name.
01:06:03.000 His brother was former senator that lost a seat, and then his brother was governor.
01:06:12.000 But John is a great conservative.
01:06:15.000 He comes in, whips up our team.
01:06:18.000 I mean, we have more bodies on the ground again in New Hampshire than have ever been put before, chasing low permissive votes.
01:06:25.000 And what's really exciting about New Hampshire is that the media market that they share with Maine, remember, keep this in mind Maine and New Hampshire's media market is the same.
01:06:36.000 So, you get a lot of great crossover, I think, that we'll get from the border of Susan Collins win.
01:06:45.000 Well, you know what's interesting about Susan Collins?
01:06:47.000 A lot of people in our base don't like Susan.
01:06:49.000 I totally understand that.
01:06:51.000 JD, though, was campaigning for her in Maine this morning.
01:06:55.000 So, that's interesting.
01:06:56.000 And Charlie always gave Susan Collins a pass because.
01:06:59.000 We want the most conservative lawmakers we can get.
01:07:02.000 And here's the truth with Susan Collins that when we need her, She's been there.
01:07:08.000 And also, if we lose her, we're unlikely to ever get that seat back.
01:07:12.000 Period.
01:07:13.000 She's different than Murkowski, where she has shown up.
01:07:18.000 Of course, she and Murkowski have shared some pretty bad votes.
01:07:22.000 But she has shown up way more statistically and split off from Murkowski in way more scenarios.
01:07:30.000 And she doesn't represent a red state like Murkowski does.
01:07:34.000 And I'll give you the background.
01:07:35.000 Yeah, I'll give you the background too.
01:07:36.000 Yeah, Murkowski's in a red state, a double digit red state, and she's ruined that state.
01:07:41.000 Susan Collins has helped maintain something there.
01:07:44.000 And Susan Collins will actually sit down with leadership.
01:07:47.000 She will work together.
01:07:50.000 Murkowski won't do that.
01:07:51.000 Right.
01:07:51.000 So Susan Collins.
01:07:52.000 Murkowski's a Democrat.
01:07:54.000 Let's be honest.
01:07:54.000 She's probably going to caucus.
01:07:56.000 She's probably going to go independent and caucus with the Dems.
01:07:58.000 But let's go through the rest of this list and I'll just give you like a heads up.
01:08:02.000 Yeah.
01:08:02.000 And again, a lot of people on this graphic, you should try to support financially.
01:08:08.000 So if you can give a little bit directly to them, great.
01:08:11.000 Or in some of these, these are swing districts where you can come help us in Arizona and other places.
01:08:16.000 Yeah.
01:08:16.000 So you have Jay Feely, former kicker for the Arizona Cardinals, broadcaster.
01:08:20.000 He's doing a great job.
01:08:21.000 He's running against a DSA candidate and Amish Shah, who lost last time to David Schweiker.
01:08:27.000 And David Schweiker was an extremely flawed candidate for many years.
01:08:31.000 I think Jay Feely has the Scottsdale vibe surrounding him, and he's going to be able to get over the finish line.
01:08:38.000 He needs help, though.
01:08:38.000 We've got to turn out every single vote.
01:08:40.000 Wances Gamati's in the fight of his life.
01:08:42.000 He's up against a lesbian.
01:08:44.000 That is pretending to suppress her lesbianism and promote her military acumen.
01:08:52.000 Right.
01:08:53.000 But she's Hispanic.
01:08:54.000 She's got a Hispanic last name.
01:08:55.000 She's totally dodging the whole LGBTQ stuff.
01:08:59.000 That lady is a trans supporter, trans rights supporter.
01:09:04.000 I mean, really radical stuff.
01:09:06.000 I mean, we're talking about uber, uber radical.
01:09:08.000 She'll be one of the most radical.
01:09:10.000 Wances Kamani.
01:09:11.000 By the way, for people who don't know, the balance of power in the house has come down to Wances Kamani before, and it might come down.
01:09:18.000 To want Siskiyamani again.
01:09:19.000 Yeah, last election, 2024, we were watching this race really closely because it basically came down to Juan and a couple other races.
01:09:25.000 Yep.
01:09:26.000 And Juan is a great family.
01:09:27.000 It's just crazy how much the House is coming down to Arizona because we're one of the only states that has proper swing districts anymore.
01:09:34.000 Yeah.
01:09:34.000 So Derek Van Orden in Wisconsin.
01:09:36.000 Derek Van Orden in Wisconsin, I think it's actually a bellwether.
01:09:39.000 Is a bellwether race.
01:09:40.000 So Derek Van Orden in Wisconsin, if he does not win rural Wisconsin, we are in trouble.
01:09:48.000 I think in the Midwest moving forward, if we're not taking his time, he's a good dude too.
01:09:53.000 Scott Perry.
01:09:54.000 Scott Perry, we know, Freedom Caucus guy.
01:09:57.000 He's in a competitive district.
01:09:58.000 Pennsylvania's 10.
01:09:59.000 Iowa's really next to Arizona, the most critical.
01:10:02.000 So you got Marionette Miller Meeks, which a lot of people are out on Marionette, but she has pulled a rabbit out of a hat before.
01:10:10.000 She did last election.
01:10:11.000 She did last election.
01:10:12.000 She won by like 12 votes or something?
01:10:14.000 Yeah, well, that was her original election.
01:10:16.000 She won just barely.
01:10:17.000 But Zach Nunn is an awesome young guy.
01:10:21.000 Iowa's third.
01:10:22.000 Very moderate, matches that district perfectly.
01:10:25.000 And again, I'm pragmatic when this comes.
01:10:27.000 Moderate, she's running moderate districts.
01:10:29.000 Zach Nunn has been a good friend to the movement.
01:10:32.000 And he's friendly to everyone that we work with.
01:10:35.000 Tom Barrett, same thing.
01:10:37.000 We helped Tom in Michigan Seven last time.
01:10:39.000 We stacked a bunch of ballot chasers in Michigan Seven.
01:10:43.000 That was Slotkin's old district.
01:10:44.000 She became senator in the same year that her former district went red.
01:10:49.000 Yep.
01:10:50.000 So that has to maintain.
01:10:53.000 Michael Bouchard is the son of the sheriff, very popular sheriff.
01:10:58.000 That's in Michigan 10.
01:10:58.000 In Michigan 10, that's running for John James' seat.
01:11:03.000 That's running for governor right now.
01:11:06.000 And then we really like Derek Marin a lot.
01:11:09.000 That Ohio Nine district has had a number of different candidates running it.
01:11:14.000 That is a very blue collar district that has a Republican voter advantage.
01:11:20.000 Good.
01:11:20.000 Again, reminder all of these districts together have far more Republicans than we have Democrats.
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