The Charlie Kirk Show - The 6 State of the Union Lies Biden Will Tell with Stephen Moore and Daniel Horowitz

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00:01:15.000 I'm excited for this conversation.

00:01:17.000 He is tough.

00:01:19.000 He is smart.

00:01:20.000 And he really sees things correctly, especially on what I consider to be the issue that all of a sudden disappeared, which is COVID fascism.

00:01:30.000 And I learned a lot.

00:01:31.000 And most of what I learned these last couple years about my fellow citizens was awfully depressing.

00:01:37.000 Liberty is a value that most Americans do not think should be protected.

00:01:45.000 Daniel Horowitz is with us.

00:01:46.000 His book, Rise the Fourth Reich, with Steve Dace, is coming out February 14th, confronting COVID fascism with a new Nuremberg trial.

00:01:55.000 So this never happens again.

00:01:57.000 There's a lot there.

00:01:58.000 Daniel, welcome to the program.

00:02:00.000 Daniel, you are a religious Jew.

00:02:02.000 You take your Judaism seriously.

00:02:04.000 And I'm sure you don't like the media and or the chattering academic class using Nazi references just for the purpose of it, but you intentionally use a Reich reference. 0.80

00:02:18.000 As a religious Jew, you're not doing so flippantly.

00:02:23.000 There's a lot of weight to that.

00:02:25.000 Walk us through the argument as to why what we just lived through with the COVID fascist regime is morally equivalent to what Adolf Hitler attempted to do in the 1940s. 0.77

00:02:35.000 And we didn't just live through it.

00:02:37.000 It is still going on, shockingly, in a greater magnitude than when we started writing the book.

00:02:44.000 We obviously have one of our witnesses at our Mach Nuremberg trial we have in the book is a child holocaust survivor.

00:02:51.000 And the parallels are too numerous to even draw upon with this conversation, but we'll mention a few of them.

00:02:57.000 So one of the lead ships in that armada in the Third Reich, and it's important to talk about the 1930s, you don't get to Auschwitz in a vacuum.

00:03:08.000 And it was, it started at a governmental level, but it desensitized the people who went along with it.

00:03:14.000 This notion that you could declare another human being or group of human beings a threat to your health.

00:03:22.000 And therefore, the sky is the limit in terms of what you can do to them.

00:03:27.000 The leadship in that armada was public health nationalism, that the notion that individual rights are subservient to public health goals.

00:03:38.000 This was a big part of it.

00:03:39.000 This is why all the academic papers that have been written on this subject agree that the doctors and the scientists joined the Nazi party at a higher level than anyone else in greater numbers.

00:03:53.000 This is because they felt this notion, and this is what was established in 2020, that the government could declare you, Charlie, without prima fascia evidence, a threat to the public.

00:04:05.000 And unless you cover your breathing holes, I mean, say what you want about the yellow star.

00:04:10.000 We actually have yellow stars in some hospitals now.

00:04:13.000 They literally call them gold stars, yellow stars to identify if you have the shot, whether you have to cover your face.

00:04:18.000 Those things were put on your lapel.

00:04:20.000 They were humiliating.

00:04:21.000 This is put on your breathing holes, which we now know increases your CO2 levels and obviously doesn't stop the pathogen.

00:04:30.000 And we now have just this week, a big American WHO official came out talking about the need to track and trace everyone in perpetuity.

00:04:39.000 We now know the CDC is working on, they have ICD codes to track those who didn't get the shot and for what reason?

00:04:46.000 Reluctance.

00:04:49.000 So again, just Charlie, the broader point here is medical nationalism and your body is subservient to an elite's view of public health objectives.

00:05:01.000 That is the number one parallel that we have that needs to be stopped.

00:05:05.000 In the Talmud, it says the best doctors go to Gehenna or hell.

00:05:11.000 Did you know that?

00:05:12.000 You know, it was one of the cryptic statements that our whole life, we never really had a handle that what in the world does that mean?

00:05:20.000 And 2,000 years ago, and now you read it, you say, of course.

00:05:27.000 We have all been passing around that statement because what it likely means is that the best, the ones who think they are the best, how you could look at other people and you could have other doctors in front of you saying, look, we are treating like the case of Dr. Brian Tyson, 7,000 people with success.

00:05:48.000 You ought to look at what they're doing.

00:05:50.000 You could have thousands of people saying, we are being injured, and you don't even need to take their word for it.

00:05:55.000 But you have the CDC's own pharmacovigilance.

00:05:59.000 You know, from day one, over 3,000 entries per day covering over 14,000 maladies, every organ system in the body.

00:06:09.000 I mean, this was very early on.

00:06:11.000 And again, what we prove in the book, and it's been even more since it came out, is this wasn't just a case of, oh, I burnt the toast.

00:06:20.000 They knew this from day one.

00:06:22.000 They knew it in August 2020 in the clinical trials.

00:06:25.000 They contracted with General Dynamics to prepare for at least 1,000 bears entries per day.

00:06:32.000 Pfizer knew this with over 1,200 deaths and 45,000 serious injuries covering 1,400 serious AEs that they listed in nine pages.

00:06:43.000 They knew that in the first few weeks of its initiation before any younger person ever got this.

00:06:50.000 And to this day, they're still going on and on.

00:06:53.000 They have more mRNA.

00:06:55.000 And our best estimates, and I think this is conservative, that 7.5 million people at a minimum globally died so far.

00:07:04.000 Say that again?

00:07:04.000 How many?

00:07:05.000 Say that again.

00:07:06.000 7.5 million.

00:07:08.000 And they knew this.

00:07:09.000 Daniel, that's a huge number.

00:07:11.000 7.5 million.

00:07:12.000 Prove that.

00:07:12.000 Prove that to me.

00:07:14.000 So we have two data points.

00:07:15.000 One points to 7.5, one points to about 7.8.

00:07:21.000 Basically, the first one is Michigan State University just came out with an extrapolation based on a survey that as of December 20th, 2021.

00:07:30.000 So after the first year of the shot, 278,000 Americans died.

00:07:35.000 So what I did is I said, hey, how many doses were administered in the US then?

00:07:40.000 And then I extrapolated it for the world now.

00:07:43.000 It's 13.24 billion.

00:07:45.000 And that would work out to 7.5 million.

00:07:48.000 Another case is if you look at the theirs deaths in the United States, and I'm forgetting where it's at, maybe it's at 12,000 or so right now.

00:07:57.000 We know that almost nobody reports things to theirs.

00:08:00.000 I mean, that is obvious.

00:08:02.000 It's exhausting.

00:08:02.000 I don't know.

00:08:03.000 It's very bureaucratic and cumbersome.

00:08:04.000 Very bureaucratic.

00:08:05.000 It times out on you.

00:08:07.000 You know, once you get all the information, you got to restart it.

00:08:10.000 Even a lot of people with very prominent injuries in the clinical trial didn't submit it.

00:08:15.000 Anyway, we always wondered what was the underreporting factor.

00:08:19.000 And a lot of estimated somewhere between 20, 30, 40, somewhere around then.

00:08:24.000 Previous studies have shown that.

00:08:25.000 We now have a number of 26.

00:08:28.000 So by a factor of 26, where do we get that from?

00:08:31.000 CDC's own other system.

00:08:33.000 We now know, thanks to FOIAs, aside from theirs, they had vSAFE.

00:08:38.000 All along, they were tracking people would sign up to report on a reporting app, adverse events.

00:08:46.000 And that was called vSAFE 10.8 million registered.

00:08:50.000 That's a pretty large sample size.

00:08:52.000 Not everyone who got the shots.

00:08:54.000 It's over 230 million people, but a lot of people, big sample size.

00:08:59.000 Number one, they found a 7.7% rate of clinical level injury where you have to seek medical attention.

00:09:06.000 I mean, that's utterly insane.

00:09:09.000 But an interesting tidbit came out from that.

00:09:13.000 That among the people, we have the number among the people who participated in vSAFE, how many filled out a theirs report?

00:09:22.000 And it's 126.

00:09:24.000 And if anything, the people that volunteer to report to vSAFE relative to the general population would be more, you would think, more inclined to report to theirs.

00:09:37.000 So again, if you take the underreporting factor of 26 from CDC's own vSAFE just opposed to theirs, you multiply the theirs' deaths by 26.

00:09:48.000 In the U.S., again, you'll get several hundred thousand deaths in the U.S., about seven and a half million globally.

00:09:54.000 Just to make sure I understand, are you saying that more people died from the vaccine than died in the Holocaust?

00:10:00.000 There's no doubt about it.

00:10:02.000 And this is just the opening salvo before we get to the long-term injuries.

00:10:07.000 Daniel Horowitz with the new book, and you guys got to check it out, The Rise of the Fourth Reich, confronting COVID fascism with a new Nuremberg trial so this never happens again. 0.55

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00:11:21.000 Daniel, I want to get to two pieces of tape here, so we're going to go fast.

00:11:25.000 But you said it's still going on.

00:11:26.000 You're right.

00:11:27.000 This is 24.

00:11:28.000 I believe it is a recent ad advocating for what seems to be a booster shot, Play Cut 24.

00:11:34.000 If this were the real COVID-19, I would be in real trouble because I have asthma.

00:11:41.000 And I have depression.

00:11:44.000 I have diabetes.

00:11:46.000 And I struggle with my weight.

00:11:48.000 For us, COVID is a whole different ballgame.

00:11:53.000 In fact, you could be one of almost 200 million Americans with a high risk factor.

00:11:57.000 That makes COVID even riskier.

00:12:01.000 Which is why you need to be ready and have a plan.

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00:12:22.000 Because if you get COVID on top of asthma, like I did, the last thing you want to do is wait and see.

00:12:28.000 Be ready, have a plan.

00:12:31.000 And ask your doctor about treatment options that may help.

00:12:34.000 Brought to you by Pfizer.

00:12:35.000 Daniel, your reaction, and then I want to take about a minute to answer.

00:12:39.000 Then I want to get your opinion on something, your thoughts.

00:12:41.000 We're one of the only countries that allow that direct to consumer advertising from pharma, but that's all with our indemnity of liability, with our funding, our government taxpayer marketing of it that enabled them to do that.

00:12:54.000 Couple things here.

00:12:55.000 First of all, the New York City Health Department even admitted in a tweet recently, you're more likely to get COVID if you had the shot.

00:13:03.000 I mean, that is universal in all the literature out there.

00:13:08.000 The more you inject, the more you infect.

00:13:09.000 So it's actually negative efficacy.

00:13:12.000 You know, a study from BMJ just came out over the weekend from Scandinavia that you're five times more likely to get myocarditis from this shot than from the virus.

00:13:23.000 But moreover, it's not about this versus that.

00:13:26.000 The virus is a problem too.

00:13:28.000 That's what we address in the book as well.

00:13:30.000 That didn't come out of nowhere.

00:13:32.000 That came through HHS and DARPA on the defense military establishment working with these so-called private vendors on gain of function.

00:13:40.000 Pfizer recently admitted they're doing more of it, but the government forces them to do it.

00:13:45.000 How is it that three years into this, we don't have a handle on which pathogens they're creating, where, and what vaccines they're promoting alongside it?

00:13:54.000 Because I'll tell you, they're going to do this again.

00:13:57.000 So I got to get your opinion on this, Daniel.

00:13:59.000 I'm immensely curious, and I have no idea how you're going to answer.

00:14:02.000 Okay.

00:14:04.000 When I ask people that take the Torah seriously and study it and are Jews about their opinion of the devil and diabolical forces, I get answers all over the place because it's not exactly clear. 0.97

00:14:17.000 Daniel, I mean, you look at Pfizer sponsoring the satanic performance, the Luciferian, you know, dancing with Sam Smith last evening.

00:14:25.000 It seems as if some of this has to be diabolical.

00:14:28.000 Do you believe that there are satanic diabolical forces at play here?

00:14:32.000 Yes.

00:14:32.000 And that's why we wrote The Rise of the Fourth Reich.

00:14:35.000 This is what I learned.

00:14:36.000 I think a lot of us prior to COVID thought, yeah, farm agreed.

00:14:40.000 Farm agreed.

00:14:40.000 They want to make money.

00:14:41.000 They want to perpetuate a system that earns them the most money possible.

00:14:45.000 And that is true.

00:14:46.000 But what you are seeing, and especially the way it's seeped into the medical profession, even people that aren't at the top of Pfizer or the FDA or DARPA, this is a religious belief.

00:14:58.000 It is a religious belief.

00:15:00.000 You know, whenever we learned Bible studies, it's always hard to understand idolatry.

00:15:04.000 Have you worshiped an inanimate object?

00:15:06.000 And they will literally take something that the more you inject, the more you infect, and they'll still worship it.

00:15:12.000 It's almost like, again, in my religion, it's a religious procedure that at eight days old, you copy what Abraham was commanded to do and you get a circumcision.

00:15:24.000 They believe this is not just about money anymore, that to perfect the human body, to please the idols, you need to take every baby and make them a pincushion with an ever-growing litany of vaccines.

00:15:39.000 Now, 15 more mRNAs that code your body to produce various things in unlimited quantities throughout your body.

00:15:48.000 They're doing it with RSD in three to four months.

00:15:51.000 They just got expedited review approved.

00:15:54.000 If we don't have that new Nuremberg trial, if we don't put this to an end, they're going to do it again. 0.76

00:16:00.000 Daniel, one of the great contributions that Judaism brought the world in the Torah was it smashed polytheism and paganism. 0.90

00:16:07.000 Yes.

00:16:08.000 And it smashed this idea of child sacrifice.

00:16:11.000 It did so very clearly in God's direct intervention in Abraham's, not sacrifice of Isaac, but the test of Abraham.

00:16:22.000 Final thoughts here, Daniel.

00:16:24.000 As America becomes increasingly secular, we're being taken over by mad scientists. 0.88

00:16:28.000 Your thoughts? 0.77

00:16:30.000 This could have only happened because of paganism.

00:16:36.000 American society, our grandparents' generation would never have fallen for this.

00:16:41.000 They never would have fallen for that fear, that lack of belief in God and this utter obsessive belief that another human being is a threat to you if they don't take an intervention that you yourself are very welcome to take.

00:16:56.000 Daniel Horowitz, one of my favorite guests.

00:16:59.000 See you later.

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00:18:49.000 Joining me now is a fellow Chicagoan, or used to be Chicago.

00:18:52.000 I don't know if he's fled or not.

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00:18:55.000 Steve Moore.

00:18:57.000 Steve, welcome to the program.

00:18:58.000 Hi, Charlie.

00:18:59.000 Well, I think we both got out just in time, right?

00:19:02.000 It's only getting worse.

00:19:03.000 And I just, it's a tragedy.

00:19:05.000 We could talk about every time we're up.

00:19:08.000 Go ahead.

00:19:08.000 Yeah, no, it is a tragedy.

00:19:10.000 What the left has done to our great cities.

00:19:12.000 I mean, you and I love Chicago.

00:19:14.000 I grew up in Wrigley Field.

00:19:15.000 And, you know, when I was a kid, we used to love to go downtown to Chicago.

00:19:20.000 When I was a kid, I thought Chicago was one of the greatest cities on earth.

00:19:23.000 And I still think it's a great city, but it shows what happens when liberal progressives take over a place.

00:19:29.000 They have arguably the worst mayor in America, Charlie, in Chicago, in Lightfoot.

00:19:36.000 And it's just, it's a disgrace.

00:19:39.000 And this is what liberals do.

00:19:40.000 So, so, Steve, I didn't plan to talk about Chicago, Illinois.

00:19:43.000 It just so happens every time you're on.

00:19:44.000 We do.

00:19:44.000 Just really quick, I haven't been there in a couple months.

00:19:46.000 I'm going next month.

00:19:47.000 Is there any self-awareness by people that have been around there for a couple of generations?

00:19:51.000 This is not exactly the city it used to be.

00:19:55.000 You know, it's so funny you should ask that because I really scratched my head and I see what's happening in the great cities in America.

00:20:02.000 It's yep, Portland is being destroyed.

00:20:04.000 Seattle has been destroyed.

00:20:06.000 San Francisco has just been destroyed.

00:20:08.000 Detroit has been destroyed.

00:20:09.000 Los Angeles is being destroyed.

00:20:11.000 And, you know, you mentioned Chicago.

00:20:14.000 They have, you know, not just the worst mayor in America, but arguably one of the worst governors in America.

00:20:20.000 And I call him Putzger, but they call him Pittsburgh.

00:20:24.000 And he just got re-elected. 1.00

00:20:25.000 So I'm like, if people in Illinois are so stupid to re-elect the guy who's destroying their state, maybe they deserve this. 1.00

00:20:32.000 That's a deeper moral question, right? 1.00

00:20:34.000 But it really does.

00:20:37.000 So, Steve, you have a fabulous piece in the New York Post, and this is you playing your best role in clairvoyance because you know already what he's going to do.

00:20:46.000 Six lies Biden will tell in his State of the Union.

00:20:50.000 Let's go through them one by one.

00:20:52.000 What is number one?

00:20:54.000 Well, I forget the exact order, but I'll mention a few of them right to start out.

00:20:58.000 One of the things he's going to say is that he's reduced the deficit.

00:21:01.000 Have you heard him say that, Charlie?

00:21:02.000 I've reduced the deficit by $1.4 trillion.

00:21:05.000 And I've always scratched my head thinking, how can the king of debt, the person who's borrowed more money than any president in American history, say that he's reducing the deficit?

00:21:14.000 And what he's doing is he's saying, well, we borrowed $2.8 trillion in my first year in office, $2.8 trillion at all-time record high.

00:21:21.000 And this year, last year, we only borrowed $1.4 trillion, which is also one of the highest levels ever.

00:21:27.000 So he's saying he's claiming credit for reducing his own deficit level, even though we've borrowed $4.2 trillion while he's been president.

00:21:36.000 So it's a false statistic.

00:21:38.000 He is the king of debt and he's bankrupting this country.

00:21:41.000 Yeah, I mean, I increased it and then it went down a little bit so that I could take credit for decreasing it. 0.91

00:21:47.000 It's silly.

00:21:48.000 Exactly.

00:21:49.000 It's like a person who gains 50 pounds one year says, oh, you know, I went on a diet and I only gained 30 pounds the next year.

00:21:56.000 It's like, what?

00:21:58.000 You're still pretty fat.

00:21:59.000 Well, no, You're up 80 pounds.

00:22:02.000 That's what's so sick about this is that, okay, so I gained 50 one year and then I gained 30.

00:22:08.000 And they say, well, my weight deficit is down 20 pounds while you sound so great.

00:22:12.000 Yeah, but your net fat is up 80 pounds in two years.

00:22:15.000 No, no, no, but the rate of growth of which I'm gaining weight is down 20 pounds.

00:22:20.000 You look at him, you're like, you're up 80 pounds.

00:22:24.000 Now, second one has to do with energy policy.

00:22:26.000 And this is one, you know, I've written books on energy policy.

00:22:29.000 As you know, Charlie, you and I have talked about this before with President Trump.

00:22:32.000 He made America energy independent and not just energy independent, but energy dominant when he was president for the first time in my lifetime.

00:22:40.000 And I'm 62 years old.

00:22:41.000 And so Biden comes in and he's saying that he has promoted American drilling when in fact he, whereas Trump brought in tens of millions of new acres of production, Joe Biden has actually reduced the number of permits more than any president going back all the way to Harry Truman.

00:23:03.000 I think one of the great successes of the Trump administration was his wins on energy independence.

00:23:10.000 It's good for us geopolitically.

00:23:12.000 It was good for us economically.

00:23:14.000 It was good for middle class wages.

00:23:17.000 It was across the board.

00:23:19.000 Except for the radical environmentalist who said it was contributing to man-made climate change, which there's no evidence that that was.

00:23:27.000 It's actually the opposite, that emissions were going down and the more we were using natural gas.

00:23:32.000 Just talk a little bit more, Steve, about how tragic it is what Joe Biden has intentionally done with energy independence.

00:23:39.000 Donald Trump made us the envy of the world when it came to energy policy.

00:23:44.000 Yeah, so we would be producing roughly, according to my buddy, Casey Mulligan, one of the top economists in the country, we did a study finding that we'd be producing 3 million more barrels of oil a day, a day if Trump were still president.

00:23:57.000 If we just stuck with his pro-American energy policy, we'd be producing 200 to 250 billion dollars more in oil output.

00:24:05.000 Just think of that, what that would do to the economy.

00:24:07.000 And I would add to all the virtues you said.

00:24:09.000 Also, think of the jobs.

00:24:10.000 The people in the oil patch make over $100,000 a year for the truckers, workers, and drillers.

00:24:17.000 And then that's related to, by the way, another Biden lie.

00:24:21.000 He's going to actually say with a straight pace that he's lowered gas prices.

00:24:25.000 And it's exactly the same thing with respect to the deficit.

00:24:28.000 Wait a minute.

00:24:29.000 When Trump left office, it was $2.59 a gallon.

00:24:33.000 And so now this past summer, it went up to $5.50 a gallon.

00:24:38.000 And he's saying he's brought it all the way down to $350,000 a gallon.

00:24:41.000 But wait a minute, it's still a gallon more than it was when.

00:24:45.000 So it's the same kind of distorted logic this president uses.

00:24:50.000 And just really quickly, Steve, I want to get your thoughts on this.

00:24:53.000 The fact that America is the only major country that allows the private ownership of minerals is a big deal.

00:25:01.000 And so I think as an intermediary, I could see the Democrats or Biden arguing for government control of oil or natural gas.

00:25:09.000 Can you just riff on that for a second?

00:25:11.000 Because Saudi Arabia, Russia, Venezuela, it's all owned by the state.

00:25:15.000 The fact that we have private ownership of minerals has led to fracking, hydraulic exploration.

00:25:21.000 Just talk about that for a second.

00:25:23.000 Well, we have not only do we have more oil and gas and coal than any other country, we have more precious minerals than any other country in the world as well.

00:25:31.000 And this is a treasure chest.

00:25:33.000 We were endowed by God with more resources than any other country.

00:25:36.000 We're a wonderful country that's so blessed.

00:25:39.000 And we estimate, by the way, the value of these assets, Charlie, are you sitting down?

00:25:45.000 I think you are.

00:25:46.000 $60 trillion.

00:25:48.000 So if we were to drill for these and if we were to mine for these resources, we could produce revenue for the government, because the private companies would pay the government royalties, for we could probably knock off a couple trillion dollars from our national debt and create jobs and have the resources we need.

00:26:06.000 So we don't have to get them from China and other countries again, it's a no-brainer. 0.69

00:26:11.000 And yet it's a no-brainer that the Biden people don't seem to get.

00:26:14.000 It's because they're uh, they're environmentalists.

00:26:16.000 What's the next on your list?

00:26:18.000 Oh, the next one is when he says oh, he has another.

00:26:21.000 He says he's brought inflation down and and he says he's saying that um, the inflation is lower now than what he inherited.

00:26:29.000 Now, that's a.

00:26:30.000 That's quite a laugher, because do you know what the inflation rate Charlie was when Trump left office?

00:26:37.000 The inflation rate uh, three and a half, four percent, i'm just estimating one and a half to two percent.

00:26:45.000 And so then it went from one and a half to 2% in 18 months.

00:26:50.000 I mean, how do you do this?

00:26:51.000 Go from one and a half to 2% under Trump to 9% under Biden.

00:26:55.000 And then now it's come down.

00:26:57.000 He's going to say, oh, look, I brought it down from 9% to 6.5%.

00:27:00.000 Well, 6.5%, Charlie, is still one of the highest rates in 40 years.

00:27:04.000 Yep.

00:27:04.000 That's right.

00:27:06.000 So you have to, just kind of as a side note here, Steve, I'm going to ask you to predict more macro.

00:27:12.000 Where do you think this economy is headed into the summer?

00:27:15.000 Because Janet Yellen, some breaking news.

00:27:17.000 She just came out front page of yahoo.com saying that you do not have recessions in time like this. 0.94

00:27:23.000 Anything that she says or these fools say, I tend to discount because they've been rumbling at everything. 0.52

00:27:27.000 Where do you think we're headed, though, Steve? 0.97

00:27:29.000 Because I do not have faith in the current state of this economy.

00:27:34.000 What do you think?

00:27:35.000 Yeah, I'm with you.

00:27:36.000 I think it's an incredibly fragile economy.

00:27:38.000 I think it's precarious.

00:27:40.000 I think we're just drenched in red ink and debt, both at the federal level and consumers are taking on more debt.

00:27:47.000 So look, the positive sign on the economy is we did get a very good jobs report.

00:27:52.000 The jobs market is good.

00:27:53.000 But Charlie, every month that we have this high inflation, it's like a tax on poor people.

00:27:59.000 And so middle-income and poor people are falling further and further behind financially every month that Biden is in office.

00:28:07.000 We estimate about $4,000 of lost income for the average family.

00:28:11.000 And just to give you an example, there's an article in CNBC today that said Americans, more and more Americans have to go to the dollar store to buy their groceries because they can't afford to grow to the grocery store.

00:28:24.000 Yeah, that's not sustainable.

00:28:27.000 And so I think you're already starting to see the fault lines a little bit in real estate prices.

00:28:33.000 They're starting to go down 8%, 10% year over year.

00:28:37.000 But it is kind of a weird set of economic circumstances, isn't it?

00:28:42.000 Because you're near full employment, near it.

00:28:46.000 You have, but you're starting to see some disturbing canaries in a coal mine of the tech companies that are preemptively laying off really high-paying jobs.

00:28:57.000 30 seconds, Steve, your thoughts.

00:28:59.000 Well, the forecast, the standard forecast by every economic model, including the congressional budget office, is that if we stay with Biden policies, we'll grow at 1.5% per year for the next decade.

00:29:10.000 Charlie, that is a disaster.

00:29:12.000 That's like a turtle pace of growth.

00:29:15.000 I'm with Larry Kudlow.

00:29:16.000 We got to grow at 3.5% to 4%.

00:29:18.000 We've got to get back to the Trump policies that created the best economy ever.

00:29:22.000 And it's not simple.

00:29:23.000 And Biden has reversed every good thing that Trump has done on the economy.

00:29:28.000 I'm afraid we got to grow even more than that, Steve, if inflation keeps up.

00:29:31.000 If you're not at least growing.

00:29:33.000 That's true.

00:29:34.000 Good point.

00:29:34.000 If you're not even growing at the rate of inflation, I mean, you're really in a tough spot.

00:29:38.000 Think about it.

00:29:39.000 So you create all these trillions of dollars and you can't even keep the growth rate consistent with inflation.

00:29:44.000 Maybe there's been trillions of dollars of malinvestment.

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00:30:50.000 Steve, which what other lies can we expect that we have not covered yet?

00:30:55.000 Well, I left out one of the one of the real whoppers. 0.51

00:30:58.000 And I guarantee you, he's going to talk about this.

00:31:01.000 He's going to say that the border is under control.

00:31:03.000 Now, Charlie, how can the president, and he's been saying that?

00:31:07.000 He said, border's under control.

00:31:08.000 There's no problem at the border.

00:31:10.000 We have seen more illegal crossings, like three times as many as we did under Trump.

00:31:15.000 And the numbers continue to go.

00:31:17.000 And those are just some people we know have crossed the border.

00:31:19.000 So we know probably hundreds and hundreds of thousands have escaped through the border, you know, unknowingly.

00:31:26.000 And we call those getaways.

00:31:29.000 So this is an absurd idea by Biden.

00:31:36.000 And he will talk about we're doing everything we can to stop the border.

00:31:39.000 No, all he would have had done to stop the border crisis is just keep with the Trump policies and continue to build the wall.

00:31:47.000 What's the sense of building 80% of a wall and not continuing to build it?

00:31:52.000 Doesn't make any sense.

00:31:53.000 So Steve, kind of to summarize all this together, you know, the American economy is in a very fragile state.

00:31:59.000 Biden is intentionally doing all this, in my personal opinion.

00:32:03.000 61% of Americans rate the economy as bad.

00:32:06.000 Let's play cut eight.

00:32:08.000 CBS poll, let's play cut eight.

00:32:10.000 Six in 10 Americans believe the economy's condition is bad.

00:32:14.000 Pessimism that has been in place over the last year.

00:32:17.000 Among all America's challenges, our poll says the top priority, lowering inflation.

00:32:23.000 Three in four people said they worry about it the most.

00:32:26.000 Over the next year, our poll shows roughly six in 10 Americans expect the economy to be in recession or slowing.

00:32:34.000 Many everyday Americans are sweating this economy.

00:32:37.000 Instability generates insecurity.

00:32:40.000 So Steve, it's just a matter of time, in my opinion.

00:32:43.000 And I just, I don't want to fearmonger, but if the foundation of two out of three Americans think that things are awful and terrible, eventually that's going to reflect in real estate prices, consumer behavior, savings.

00:32:56.000 I mean, we're seeing some rather troubling leading indicators, aren't we?

00:33:00.000 Yeah, let me touch on that last one you mentioned, the savings rate.

00:33:04.000 So remember, that was another thing that Biden kept saying is we have the record high savings rate.

00:33:08.000 No, we don't.

00:33:09.000 We have a record low savings rate right now.

00:33:11.000 Article in the Bloomberg today that the amount of credit card debt has reached an all-time level.

00:33:20.000 And this is because incomes are falling behind inflation.

00:33:23.000 And so more and more Americans either have to take on more credit card debt, which is, by the way, dangerous because, you know, Charlie, some of those credit card companies will charge you 25 or 30% interest.

00:33:34.000 And also, Americans are now starting ready for this.

00:33:37.000 They're digging into their 401k plans to pay their current bills.

00:33:42.000 You do that, you're going to pay an enormous penalty.

00:33:45.000 So Americans are financially stressed out.

00:33:48.000 You have to pay, you have to pay the income tax plus 10%, I think.

00:33:52.000 Exactly.

00:33:52.000 Yeah, it's income plus.

00:33:53.000 And then good luck.

00:33:54.000 Don't do that, folks.

00:33:56.000 Do not take money from your 401k plan.

00:33:59.000 Do not amass more debt on your credit card. 0.99

00:34:04.000 I think the best thing to do is to vote against these morons who put in place these economic policies. 1.00

00:34:10.000 The last line in my piece, by the way, Charlie, is the takeaway from Biden's speech tomorrow night will be liar, liar, pants on fire. 0.99

00:34:20.000 And what's the most frustrating part of it, Steve, is we've gone from a set of economic political communication strategies from I feel your pain to you're not in pain. 0.80

00:34:33.000 Or I caused your pain.

00:34:35.000 Yeah, it's just, but what's amazing is that Joe Biden is not going to give an inch to that people are even suffering or that they are feeling less than ideal.

00:34:47.000 It's just he's going to try to convince people that things are actually wonderful.

00:34:51.000 I just, I can't, for the life of me, think this is a sustainable political equation.

00:34:55.000 Closing thoughts, Steve.

00:34:57.000 And there's a reason for this.

00:34:59.000 As you know, I live in the swamp, Charlie.

00:35:01.000 I live in Washington, D.C.

00:35:03.000 And the swamp is a bubble.

00:35:05.000 People don't, in Washington, don't know what's happening on Main Street USA.

00:35:09.000 They have no concept.

00:35:10.000 Joe Biden doesn't know how real Americans are doing.

00:35:13.000 So this is why, you know, what was Donald Trump's strongest argument for being elected president?

00:35:18.000 Drain the swamp.

00:35:19.000 Biden isn't draining the swamp.

00:35:21.000 He's making Washington rich at the rest at the expense of all the rest of us.

00:35:26.000 Steve Moore, check out his newsletter.

00:35:28.000 What is the name of your newsletter again?

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00:35:34.000 And Charlie, you're going to love this.

00:35:35.000 Even in an inflation era, it's free.

00:35:38.000 It doesn't cost anything.

00:35:39.000 That's right.

00:35:40.000 It has doubled in price, which is nothing.

00:35:43.000 Zero times two is still zero.

00:35:45.000 Steve, thanks so much.

00:35:46.000 Appreciate it.

00:35:46.000 Okay, Charlie.

00:35:47.000 Have a great day.

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00:35:50.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.

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The Charlie Kirk Show - February 07, 2023

The 6 State of the Union Lies Biden Will Tell with Stephen Moore and Daniel Horowitz

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