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00:00:00.000Hey everybody, today on the Charlie Kirk Show, Citizen Kane joins us for a state of the race, a little temperature check, then also Mike and Schellenberger about a bombshell story, bombshell story, out of the Central Intelligence Agency and the FBI.
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00:02:09.000And in 13 days, we have the first debate finally agreed to on ABC, September 10th.
00:02:15.000And so hopefully that, you know, it's funny, you mentioned North Carolina.
00:02:18.000That's a state we didn't even think we were going to have to really worry about.
00:02:21.000I mean, it was still sort of within the margin of error, um, a month ago, six weeks ago.
00:02:28.000And polls, you know, polls have shown some different things, but I've been reading a lot.
00:02:32.000I'm sure you have too, from Rich Barras.
00:02:34.000The People's Fund and his analysis of a lot of these polls.
00:02:38.000And I'm still feeling confident, Charlie.
00:02:40.000I feel that we have a different level of ground game.
00:02:43.000We have a different sort of approach to ballot harvesting.
00:02:47.000I feel like in Pennsylvania, we're registering truck drivers.
00:02:52.000In Pennsylvania, we're registering out-of-state fraternity brothers at, you know, the 20 or 25 large colleges and universities.
00:03:02.000I feel like we've made substantial changes since 2020 when we had great turnout, fantastic turnout, 75 million record turnout, in fact, and I feel a number is coming higher than 80 million.
00:03:15.000You know, we talked about 100 million votes for Trump.
00:03:18.000That's sort of our, has been our rallying cry, but I feel like we're going to have another bump up just like we did in 2020.
00:03:26.000What are you feeling in the last four or five days?
00:03:29.000Well, I definitely have seen the data start to normalize and stabilize.
00:03:34.000So even the Hill-Emerson poll, which is a left-leaning poll, came out this morning, had Trump up three in Arizona, had Trump up one in North Carolina, up one in Wisconsin, and tied in Pennsylvania with leaners to Trump.
00:03:46.000With that map, Cain, even if he falls short in Nevada, Georgia, and Michigan, he is the 47th President of the United States.
00:03:54.000If you win Pennsylvania, you win Arizona, Wisconsin.
00:03:57.000Now that's a goofy map, but Kamala Harris and her campaign, they absolutely see a path in Georgia.
00:04:48.000It's Mark Halperin, who basically foreshadowed this Emerson poll and is saying, hey guys, just so you know, there's both private and public polling that is coming that is not going to be great for Kamala Harris, and you might see her path start to shrink.
00:05:03.000This would explain why Kamala Harris is doing a bus tour in Georgia.
00:05:32.000And there's some private polling that suggests that nationally in the battleground states, She's not ahead.
00:05:40.000She might be ahead on paper, but well within the margin of error.
00:05:44.000And there's some battleground states now where I think Donald Trump's, on this trajectory, is going to be ahead.
00:05:50.000And it may be, regardless of what happens in the interview and regardless what happens in the debate, it may be that by the middle of September, when things have calmed down, when the Trump campaign have had time to prey on some of the weaknesses that I suggested, that he's ahead in all the Sun Belt states.
00:06:08.000and ahead in Pennsylvania, and competitive in Michigan and Wisconsin, which would be roughly
00:06:14.000where Joe Biden was before the debate, with a single path to 270 electoral votes, the three
00:06:22.000Great Lakes states and Nebraska too. And that would be a scary position for the Democratic
00:06:27.000Party to be in from mid-September through Election Day.
00:07:53.000And also, let's stay positive and stay realistic and listen to what guys like Halprin are saying and remember this sort of polling deficit.
00:08:46.000That it was a new battle we're gonna have to fight.
00:08:48.000So I wanted to slap some people in the face with a little polling reality.
00:08:52.000It doesn't mean that I don't understand that this is a propaganda effort done through how they sample these polls, who they choose to poll.
00:09:01.000But at the same time, we needed to be woken up after sort of, you know, look, after Trump's RNC And where Biden was polling and before he was replaced, we were looking at winning all seven swing states plus five others.
00:09:14.000I mean, we were looking at potential 350 electoral votes.
00:09:50.000And again, they're going to have sentencing.
00:09:51.000They might try to do monkey pox, bird flu, lobster flu, swine flu, salt and pepper flu.
00:09:56.000I don't know what they're going to try to do, OK?
00:09:58.000They're going to throw the whole thing at us.
00:10:00.000But Nate Silver, I just want to repeat this.
00:10:04.000Nate Silver, who's no longer with FiveThirtyEight, even though he has the Twitter handle, On August 14th, he gave Trump a 42% chance of winning.
00:10:11.000Now, he has Trump as the favorite at a 52.4% chance of winning, which is consistent with all the data that we've seen.
00:10:20.000With all the data that we've seen, Cain, that there seems to be a big slowing down.
00:10:24.000Here's the analogy I give, is that they've been having an all-night rave at the Democrat Party, and the drugs are wearing off, and morning is here, and they have a heck of a hangover, and people are realizing they made a bad mistake.
00:10:43.000We had last month saving babies with preborn by providing ultrasounds.
00:10:47.000And we're doing again this year what we did last year.
00:10:49.000We're going to stand for life because remaining silent in the face of the most radically pro-death administration is not an option.
00:10:55.000As Sir Edmund Burke said, the only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing, and we're not going to do nothing.
00:11:01.000Your gift to preborn will give a girl the truth about what's happening in her body so that she can make the right choice.
00:12:47.000I think that who, you know, who has been more afraid since this debate talk has been, has been thrown around for the last three weeks or a month.
00:12:55.000I think it's been the Kamala campaign.
00:13:10.000I love when I come on your show and I've got four things written down that are going to go into the stack because you've told me about them.
00:13:17.000The Nate Silver stuff, the Halperin video.
00:13:21.000Are both gonna be in there, as well as the Emerson poll.
00:13:23.000Here's something we haven't talked about, Charlie.
00:13:25.000I'm gonna call it the Steve Bannon, November 1st, I finally got my ass out of jail effect.
00:13:31.000Like, how about that for a rallying cry?
00:13:33.000You know, where do you want the most momentum?
00:13:36.000I say you want the most momentum in the final five days.
00:13:39.000When is Steve Bannon getting out of his 123-day persecution for a misdemeanor?
00:14:19.000Maybe what Halperin is saying, and Halperin's a smart dude, is all of this hype is worth one freaking point.
00:14:26.000That at the end of all this, when we're staring this thing down on November 1st, before the Bannon effect starts, That Kamala has gained maybe one point over Biden.
00:14:36.000At that point, they're biting nails, sweating, sweating.
00:15:25.000Look, you just heard it from the hardest working man in show business.
00:15:28.000Charlie may be too young to know that phrase.
00:15:30.000I think that's what, if I'm not mistaken, I think that's what John Belushi demanded to be introduced at when he was doing all his Blues Brothers shows.
00:15:40.000The hardest working man in Hollywood or in show business.
00:15:43.000But Charlie and Andrew and Tyler are the hardest working dudes in politics.
00:15:49.000These guys are all under 35, busting their asses for their children and their future grandchildren.
00:15:57.000And I feel like the average person out there, it's register people to vote in the states where ballot harvesting is allowed.
00:16:10.000Take that voter registration forms, go to your local office, get a hundred of the forms, put them in your car and take them everywhere you go.
00:17:20.000So, Michael, we could play some of this piece of tape here, but first I want to get your opening remarks on your take on Mark Zuckerberg's letter to Jim Jordan.
00:17:31.000I mean, the first thing I would say is that I think this is, we now have enough information for independent journalists like myself.
00:17:41.000I'm not a partisan, I'm an independent, and I'm not even voting this year.
00:17:45.000But I think there's enough information now to say that both the CIA and the FBI broke the law, broke at least two laws, the Wiretap Act and the Hatch Act, To interfere in the 2020 elections on behalf of Biden and against Trump.
00:18:04.000And there was a detail in the Zuckerberg letter that wasn't there about Burisma.
00:18:09.000It mirrors exactly the Aspen Institute's disinformation operation that it ran on behalf of the FBI for Biden and against Trump.
00:18:27.000I think it's an understanding that many people have been working towards for a lot of time and people before I wrote about it were working on this and writing about it.
00:18:37.000I now feel comfortable to say I think the evidence is now overwhelming that both CIA and FBI interfered in the 2020 elections.
00:18:44.000To what extent did they interfere, and what did that mean for the end result, if you were to speculate?
00:18:50.000Was it just kind of paperwork interference, or do you think, as a journalist, it had substantive, result-directed interference?
00:18:59.000You mean, do I think it had an impact?
00:19:00.000Yes, a material impact on the outcome.
00:19:04.000I mean, I think you start to get to... I mean, remember, we're not very good at Because the problem is we can't get inside people's minds and decisions and choices that people make are very complicated.
00:19:18.000So it'd be hard to say definitively that the efforts of the U.S.
00:19:23.000intelligence agencies were the decisive factor in Biden's defeat of Trump.
00:19:31.000But I will say as somebody that voted for Biden, And saw the Hunter Biden laptop story.
00:19:36.000I myself dismissed it as Russian disinformation because not just because of the 51 former CIA directors and other senior intelligence officials signed a letter saying that's what it was, but also because Twitter and Facebook And other seemingly independent institutions, both news media and social media, had said the same thing.
00:20:03.000And so, you know, would that have changed my mind?
00:20:11.000But I think that whether or not it would have changed the outcome of the election, the fact of it is extremely serious.
00:20:21.000It's a, I mean, I can't think of anything else in American history where the intelligence and security agencies interfered in an election in such a shocking, coordinated, systematic way, and not once, but multiple times.
00:20:38.000I mean, I just can't think of another time in American history.
00:20:40.000Maybe there's some moment we haven't learned about, but I can't think of any point in American history where we've seen anything like that.
00:20:46.000And of course, hundreds of years of Western liberal democratic governments have fought against that kind of thing. We don't want the
00:20:54.000king's men to be able to arbitrarily break the law. We have constraints on both our law
00:21:03.000enforcement officers and our intelligence agencies. It's sort of, it's really, it's like Magna Carta
00:21:44.000It's as far back as I feel comfortable saying that it went.
00:21:47.000But CIA interference goes back to 2016.
00:21:51.000So you're looking at a really sweeping counter-populist effort by American intelligence and security agencies spanning, you know, a very significant amount of time and arguably continuing.
00:22:04.000I mean, I think not arguably, it is continuing in the sense that justice has not been served at a minimum.
00:22:11.000Christopher Wray is still the director of the FBI, incredibly.
00:22:17.000Gina Haspel, the former director of the CIA, has not been brought to account.
00:22:24.000There's no real investigation into it.
00:22:27.000Whatever people have called an investigation until now is obviously insufficient.
00:22:32.000So I think it's a really serious moment, at least for people like me that have not been comfortable kind of coming out and saying so strongly what I felt the need to say over the last few days.
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00:23:44.000This goes down to this idea, as you say, the Magna Carta in 1215 of June,
00:23:52.000that the king is not above the law and that there's this idea above the king.
00:23:58.000And of course, that eventually led to the birth of Western civilization and common law
00:24:03.000and individual initiative and sovereignty and due process and checks and balances.
00:24:07.000But yes, this idea that your intel agencies get to choose who your leaders are, that's a violation of like an 800-year unbroken chain, right?
00:24:16.000Yes, certainly, and certainly in the liberal democratic period of the last several hundred years.
00:24:22.000So then the question is, I mean, there's a lot of frustration online and people that have been, you know, making this point like yourself for a very, for a very long time.
00:24:30.000And there's a lot of frustration and, um, yeah, I mean, I think there's a lot of, you know, there's a lot, I, for me, I think it's important that people that, that, that are not Trump supporters, that don't agree with Trump, that don't like Trump, that are not going to vote for Trump.
00:25:18.000But I just think I just kind of look forward and I go, you know, historians will know.
00:25:22.000I mean, hopefully historians recognize what happens sooner rather than later.
00:25:28.000But I think the evidence is now overwhelming for any kind of You know, anybody, any independent, reasonable person to look at the facts, you can't look at them and walk away saying, concluding anything other than the CIA and FBI interfered in the 2020 elections.
00:25:44.000What's to stop them from interfering in this election?
00:26:19.000He wrote, the book is called Revolt of the Public, and it's just about the power of social media for disintermediated direct access and conversations like the one we're having, but just social media being able so that a populist figure like Trump is not just, you know, Prevented from emerging as a serious candidate because he can speak directly to the public and how that's just a revolution as large as the print the invention of the printing press and its dissemination in the 15th and 16th centuries in Europe and all of the revolutions it resulted in and wars and as people dealt with the fact that they were able to communicate with each other, you know peer-to-peer communications and
00:27:06.000When I did that Twitter, so my involvement in this goes back to this Twitter files thread on the Hunter Biden laptop.
00:27:15.000One of the most important aspects of which is that I discovered and described what is clearly an FBI operation through the Aspen Institute.
00:27:26.000To pre-bunk or preemptively brainwash a program, both all of the top journalists at all the major media outlets and the top censors in the social media platforms, including Facebook and Twitter, so that to prepare them so that when they saw the Hunter Biden laptop, they would censor it.
00:27:45.000Or they would, if they were journalists, they would cover it, but focus it in a way on this idea that it was Russian disinformation.
00:27:52.000So that was run through this ostensibly independent NGO called the Aspen Institute, which is funded by the US government and was clearly working as a proxy front group.
00:28:05.000You might call it an intermediary or cut out to engage in illegal political action that violates the Hatch Act by the FBI to run this disinformation operation.
00:28:21.000When Martin Goury, to finish the story, when this amazing CIA analyst read it, we spoke and he just said, this is not what the CIA used to be.
00:28:31.000There was a firewall between the CIA and the FBI.
00:28:35.000The CIA and the FBI can't involve themselves in politics.
00:28:40.000Obviously, it's illegal, but it's also just not the culture of those institutions.
00:28:45.000Those are not institutions The directors of those institutions are supposed to go do nonpartisan work.
00:28:50.000But after the election, and you know, they go be boring, he would say they would be boring after they were directors, they would go out and, you know, work on they work at boring think tanks, and it was very bipartisan.
00:29:01.000This thing of these guys, the directors, the agents, the senior executives, the general counsel, these guys engaging in partisan politics, for Martin, it was just shocking.
00:29:13.000You know, it's not something that those agencies had done.
00:29:17.000And so this desire to undermine the presidency of Donald Trump and then interfere in the elections.
00:29:27.000Is a real watershed in American society and I think, you know, it's very much of a Black Pill moment in the sense that I think it's very frightening to know that that was that has been going on and that those folks felt entitled to manipulate our minds.
00:29:58.000I mean, I think we need to have we need to Be very vigilant in protecting our freedoms and watching these guys.
00:30:08.000We reported on continued, we think, intelligence and security agency disinformation around Russia in Europe a few months ago in relationship to counter-populism against right-wing populist parties in Europe.
00:30:26.000Um, but yeah, we should, I think, be very vigilant that it could be happening now in some way that we don't understand or see, or that it will happen between now and the elections.
00:30:35.000Michael, please plug your stuff, how the audience can support you.
00:30:38.000Well, we love subscribers, preferably paid ones.
00:30:41.000So, but either way, you can find me at Shellenberger at X.com or you can, and you can subscribe both to our, we give away a bunch of free content and then we, Have some for subscribers only and that's how we support our work.
00:31:27.000Obviously, none of us can get inside the mind of Mark Zuckerberg, but we can, of course, speculate.
00:31:33.000And there's a lot of, I think, motivations he would have.
00:31:35.000I mean, I think my read of it is that he and his team felt that they had not properly dealt yet with this issue and that it's a problem for them With, I assume with Republicans in particular, you know, and that's enough to really hurt the brand.
00:31:57.000You know, Zuckerberg, everything he does has to be to maximize shareholder value for Medicorporation, which owns Facebook.
00:32:02.000So I think they calculated they needed to, you know, and another way to read it is it's kind of a repositioning of Facebook back as a nonpartisan entity.
00:32:13.000And it had to clean up these three issues, which was really the censorship on COVID, The Hunter Biden laptop, I mean, their involvement in the disinformation effort.
00:32:27.000And then the third thing was Elon Musk and Mark Zuckerberg at the same time.
00:32:35.000Zuckerberg said that the donations that he made in 2020 were nonpartisan, the sense among, I think, a lot of Republicans.
00:32:44.000And you, I think, have been arguing this is that they were biased towards helping Democrats get out the vote.
00:32:50.000And he said that he wouldn't be making any donations at all this year.
00:32:53.000So, you know, I thought that it was, you know, it comes in a context where Zuckerberg also said that he admired Trump's response to the assassination attempt.
00:33:03.000And it's notable that he says this, that in the document, in the letter, he said that, Uh, you know, that the, that he regrets succumbing to the pressure of the Biden White House.
00:33:17.000You know, I think they were, that, that's a way of biting back a little bit.
00:33:21.000Um, and, uh, you know, kind of, and, you know, and obviously throwing, you know, not taking, he did take responsibility, but also, you know, um, making the Biden administration own it a little bit as well.
00:33:50.000I mean, I just couldn't, when I saw the article, so the headline is, in the absence of a representative for the X network in Brazil, the Supreme Court of Brazil has blocked Elon Musk's Starlink bank accounts.
00:34:05.000I mean, it's basically Brazil has retaliated.
00:34:09.000They're not able to arrest anybody from X in Brazil, which is what they want to do.
00:34:17.000And so he's retaliating by freezing the bank accounts of a completely different corporation.
00:34:23.000Which is Elon Musk's Starlink, which of course is this satellite internet service that Elon launched through SpaceX.
00:34:34.000I mean, the two are sort of related, but it's the satellite communications network.
00:34:38.000And it's been providing, you know, I think the service to a lot of really remote parts of Brazil, particularly in the Amazon.
00:34:45.000And I think that's part of the Musk's appeal in Brazil has been related to this incredible technological breakthrough of the satellite Internet.