The Charlie Kirk Show - The Conservative World Reacts with Kevin Roberts and Kash Patel

00:00:00.000 Hey, everybody.

00:00:01.000 Today on the Charlie Kirk Show, Kash Patel joins us to react to the news that Donald Trump very well might be arrested any moment now.

00:00:09.000 We dive deep into this topic.

00:00:11.000 Also, Dr. Kevin Roberts from Heritage Foundation joins us to react what we can do about it.

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00:00:42.000 Charlie, what you've done is incredible here.

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00:01:26.000 You'll be able to separate the different types of shows, different types of podcasts, different types of live streams based on three categories.

00:01:34.000 People that are like, oh, there might be legitimate charges here.

00:01:37.000 They're a waste of time.

00:01:38.000 The second of which will be kind of the normie take.

00:01:41.000 Okay, this is bad and wrong, and let's write an op-ed about it and let's tweet about it.

00:01:46.000 That'll show them.

00:01:48.000 The third category is where we live, which is the most important, which, yes, it's wrong.

00:01:53.000 Yes, it's bad.

00:01:54.000 Here's why it's bad.

00:01:55.000 And then we ask the question: why are Republican district attorneys and attorney generals not using political power to investigate, subpoena, and eventually indict the members of the Democrat crime family?

00:02:06.000 Why is that?

00:02:07.000 What's the answer?

00:02:07.000 Why can't we just get one of these people to go to jail?

00:02:11.000 Dr. Kevin Roberts does a fabulous job running the Heritage Foundation, heritage.org.

00:02:17.000 Kevin, welcome to the program.

00:02:20.000 Great to join you.

00:02:21.000 Here we are in America at this crossroads where not everyone knows what time it is.

00:02:26.000 You certainly do.

00:02:27.000 Your audience does.

00:02:28.000 And so it's always a great pleasure to be with you.

00:02:30.000 Thank you.

00:02:30.000 So we're about to see, it looks like the arrest of Donald Trump on awful and terrible charges.

00:02:37.000 You mentioned what time is it?

00:02:39.000 Why don't you elaborate on that?

00:02:40.000 What time is it?

00:02:41.000 Is it time for op-eds and newspaper articles?

00:02:44.000 No, man.

00:02:45.000 That's DC swamp think.

00:02:47.000 What time it is is for people to recognize, A, we do have to do one bit of recognition.

00:02:52.000 I don't mean that passively, but recognize that we have a two-tiered system of justice in this country that's relevant regardless of what someone thinks about President Trump.

00:03:02.000 And so if I encounter someone who isn't as grateful for him as you and I and your audience are, I say it doesn't matter because if this can happen to him, it can happen to all of us.

00:03:11.000 But number two, we really do need to, and I mean this figuratively, because of all the charges that will come my way and your way if it's taken literally, to tear out root and branch this two-tiered system of justice, whether it is going into the Federal Bureau of Investigation and totally starting from scratch, or as my heritage colleagues have done, Collie Stemson and Zach Smith, they've been analyzing with great detail the rogue prosecutors in this country,

00:03:40.000 including this Joker in New York.

00:03:42.000 We have to completely overhaul that.

00:03:44.000 The time is for action.

00:03:46.000 And by action, Charlie, I mean action that changes things permanently.

00:03:51.000 Understanding that the left hates us and they hate what we believe.

00:03:55.000 And by calling for this action, we're not calling for violence, obviously, quite the opposite.

00:04:00.000 What we're calling for is for sober-minded, conservative Americans, centrists who don't care who their political candidate is to go take action in fixing this problem rather than just sitting around stroking our beards and writing op-eds about it.

00:04:15.000 Yeah.

00:04:15.000 And so the average everyday person is becoming sharply cynical, and that means your country is about to fall apart.

00:04:22.000 People that pay their taxes, they send their kids to school, they go to church, they run businesses, they don't commit crimes.

00:04:29.000 Some of them like Donald Trump, some of them don't, but the ones that do, they really have admiration for what he's done for the nation.

00:04:36.000 And then they see just the nonstop barrage of crimes by the other side, James Comey, Peter Strzok, not just crimes, you know, outside of government, but in government, right?

00:04:46.000 All that, those cast of characters.

00:04:48.000 And then they see violent crime go up, like in Washington, D.C., those two girls who murdered the Uber driver got juvenile detention up until 21, one of the most horrific videos.

00:04:59.000 And the local DAs just kind of say, yeah, that's fine.

00:05:02.000 Or if you firebomb police officers, or if, for example, in Georgia, when you kind of bring 150 people to go bomb a police training facility, Cop City, they only arrest 20 or 30 of them.

00:05:15.000 And, you know, this starts to kind of just pile up.

00:05:18.000 And everyday people then say, wait a second.

00:05:20.000 And now you're going to use the handcuffs.

00:05:23.000 Now you're going to use the fingerprint processing center against Trump.

00:05:28.000 Kevin, I'm deeply afraid that regular people are about to reach one of two things.

00:05:33.000 They're going to reach a simmering point that's really bad, or they're going to completely disconnect from the system in a posture of permanent cynicism.

00:05:41.000 Yeah, that's exactly right.

00:05:42.000 In fact, I think the way you frame that crossroads, Charlie, is spot on.

00:05:48.000 And I just want to underscore something that you know to be true and people who are watching or listening to us know to be true.

00:05:55.000 For someone to say that Americans are either going to be in a permanent state of cynicism or they're going to reach a simmering point doesn't mean that we're talking about Americans who are ready to start a civil war.

00:06:09.000 You know, that's what the Washington media and Adam Kinzinger and Liz Cheney want to say.

00:06:13.000 They love this false dichotomy.

00:06:15.000 Rather, you're being really thoughtful.

00:06:18.000 My colleagues at Heritage are being really thoughtful and saying, we're so concerned.

00:06:22.000 I totally agree about the cycle.

00:06:25.000 That's the last thing we want.

00:06:26.000 I just want to be very clear.

00:06:27.000 It's actually my heart is for unity.

00:06:29.000 And I think that you get closer to discord when you perp walk a president for the first time in American history over a paperwork issue.

00:06:37.000 Meanwhile, violent crime is going through the roof and the entire Democrat mafia is wealthier and more protected than ever.

00:06:43.000 Please continue, Kevin.

00:06:44.000 Sorry.

00:06:44.000 No, I appreciate the interjection because it's so crucial to make that to underscore that.

00:06:50.000 But I think the point is that there are tens of millions of Americans.

00:06:54.000 These are normal, successful people who would never be engaged in any kind of violence against anyone who are saying this country that I love, this country that perhaps some of these folks have given military service to is lost.

00:07:10.000 And really, once you reach to that point or reach that point to sum up here, Charlie, you're either going to be in a permanent state of checking out like what Tim Carney writes about in his book, Alienated America, or you're going to reach a simmering point where you start contemplating things that are not at all healthy.

00:07:28.000 And you care about, I know that I and my colleagues at Heritage care so deeply about the social fabric of this country.

00:07:36.000 When we see what's happening to President Trump, when we see what's happening to people like Mark Hauck, the pro-life leader in Pennsylvania, we realize it's a different set of rules if you are a conservative and we've had enough.

00:07:48.000 And so the everyday person, and our emails are just getting flooded.

00:07:48.000 Yeah.

00:07:52.000 We've gotten thousands of emails.

00:07:54.000 People say the country is over, it's gone.

00:07:56.000 I want to just challenge some of you out there, which is the attitude we're going to have: yes, we're going to acknowledge all the issues, but I also, I don't know if the left has gone through this calculus, but I'm sure it would be a, in their own calculation, an unexpected and lovely additive.

00:08:13.000 They would love for us to just give up because of all this, right?

00:08:17.000 They'd love for us to say, oh, what's the point?

00:08:18.000 They're just going to lock all our guys in jail. 0.68

00:08:20.000 There's nothing that we can do.

00:08:22.000 And instead, we have to have an intentional attitude of perseverance.

00:08:27.000 Yes, it's unjust.

00:08:28.000 Yes, we're going to do something about it.

00:08:30.000 But the worst thing we could possibly do is have them rob us of our passion or enthusiasm for America.

00:08:37.000 And as you know, Charlie, I like to refer to myself as a recovering academic.

00:08:37.000 Yes.

00:08:42.000 For 25 years, I've been fighting the radical left, especially in academia.

00:08:47.000 And I can tell you from my days when I was a young history professor, totally outnumbered as a conservative Christian.

00:08:53.000 I went home in that first year and I told my wife, I said, you know, I think they expect me to give up.

00:08:59.000 And that, as I've gone to state capitol, Austin, Texas, and now Washington, D.C., it's so true.

00:09:06.000 They expect good people of faith, people who love this country, love their neighbor, would give them the shirt off their back, regardless of their politics, to just say, America's over.

00:09:15.000 And so I would absolutely reiterate what you just mentioned, which is I understand fully everyone's frustration.

00:09:22.000 And yet, this country still has a path, albeit narrow, ahead.

00:09:28.000 And President Trump would be the first to say that this is worth fighting for.

00:09:32.000 Other people who want to lead this country are saying the same thing.

00:09:35.000 That isn't empty talk.

00:09:36.000 We can both fight the system, this two-tiered system of justice, while also recognizing that by doing so, we're hopefully broadening, we're widening that narrow path ahead.

00:09:47.000 I hate hollow optimism, Charlie.

00:09:50.000 So I'm not just saying this to encourage people.

00:09:52.000 I'm saying it because I know, as you do, traveling this country every week, visiting with real Americans, there is a chance for us to save this great republic.

00:10:02.000 There is no chance if we all decide to stop fighting for it.

00:10:06.000 I agree.

00:10:07.000 And boy, the hits keep coming. 0.95

00:10:11.000 If I was the devil and I wanted to try to get people to give up, I would have banks collapse, the currency on edge, us involved in these stupid foreign conflicts 5,000 miles away, keep our own border open and use the power of arrest against a former president for a paperwork issue while violent crime is skyrocketing. 0.98

00:10:30.000 That's only if I was a diabolical figure. 0.94

00:10:32.000 Dr. Kevin Roberts from Heritage.org, thank you so much.

00:10:35.000 God bless you.

00:10:36.000 Thank you.

00:10:38.000 Okay, a couple things.

00:10:39.000 People say, Charlie, what's the solution?

00:10:40.000 What's the solution?

00:10:41.000 We've actually, I've laid out a solution, and it's very simple.

00:10:44.000 You must acknowledge it's a sad day in America, number one.

00:10:47.000 Then, number two, you must suck it up and you must call on every attorneys general and every DA to say, we are going to investigate the Democrat crime mafia. 0.57

00:10:58.000 We're going to create the Republican Attorney General and DA member counsel, and we are going to say to the Podestas, to Soros, to Clinton, to Biden, to Obama, we're going to investigate you.

00:11:12.000 We're going to subpoena you.

00:11:14.000 We're going to have grand juries impaneled. 0.97

00:11:16.000 You're trying to tell me that Bill Clinton and Bill Gates rode on a plane with Jeffrey Epstein?

00:11:20.000 I'm going to issue a subpoena to learn all about that.

00:11:24.000 You're trying to tell me Mark Zuckerberg illegally fundled $400 million in the 2020 election?

00:11:29.000 We're going to issue a criminal subpoena to learn all about that.

00:11:32.000 But it would require our side to have a spine, and it would require our side to stop being comfortable.

00:11:39.000 You see, they are in the trenches.

00:11:41.000 They are knifefighting, dirty, trench warfare activists.

00:11:48.000 And we are the higher people. 0.90

00:11:51.000 We're going to lose.

00:11:53.000 That's the solution.

00:11:54.000 But also, it requires a proper response.

00:11:57.000 We've been receiving a lot of emails about how have presidential candidates respond to this.

00:12:01.000 Let me first say a positive response here.

00:12:05.000 Vivek Ramaswamy, I think, has so far had the best response here, calling on every other person running for president to say this is an outrage.

00:12:17.000 Good for him.

00:12:17.000 Play cut 14.

00:12:19.000 I would like for even the beloved donor class favorites in this race, including Nikki Haley, including Ron DeSantis, to join me in calling on the New York Manhattan District Attorney to abandon this political persecution through prosecution.

00:12:38.000 It's a very clear statement.

00:12:40.000 Either you're on that side of actually avoiding that political persecution as prosecution, or you're not.

00:12:46.000 And if you're not, that's fine.

00:12:47.000 You better explain why.

00:12:48.000 He's so clear.

00:12:49.000 I got to give him credit.

00:12:51.000 He has changed the dialogue, and I think he has really made this, he's made at least politics the last couple weeks, Vivek, a lot more entertaining, and he's raised the bar.

00:13:02.000 I mean, he got all these people.

00:13:03.000 He got people like, oh, yeah, abstractions.

00:13:05.000 He says, no, this is clear.

00:13:06.000 We have this over that.

00:13:08.000 Good for him.

00:13:09.000 Now, I have a great deal of respect for Ron DeSantis.

00:13:12.000 I think he should have handled this response differently.

00:13:15.000 I think this, he should have read the room and understand, understood that the Republican base, it's not even about Trump.

00:13:21.000 It's not about any of this.

00:13:23.000 This is pure principle.

00:13:28.000 And Ron DeSantis is receiving a lot of negativity based on this response.

00:13:32.000 I think Ron DeSantis meant well.

00:13:35.000 I think he could have handled this better.

00:13:37.000 Play cut 12, please.

00:13:39.000 You're talking about this situation with, and like, I don't know what goes into paying hush money to a porn star to secure silence over some type of alleged affair.

00:13:50.000 I just, I can't speak to that.

00:13:52.000 But what I can speak to is that if you have a prosecutor who is ignoring crimes happening every single day in his jurisdiction, and he chooses to go back many, many years ago to try to use something about porn star hush money payments, you know, that's an example of pursuing a political agenda and weaponizing the office.

00:14:18.000 And I think that that's fundamentally wrong.

00:14:22.000 So look, he said the right thing in the second part of that.

00:14:25.000 He did get some giggles out of the crowd.

00:14:28.000 But people are very angry at Ron DeSantis' answer there because he repeated the kind of hush money porn star thing.

00:14:36.000 And people don't want to hear that right now.

00:14:38.000 And look, our emails are lighting up and they're not exactly thrilled with Ron DeSantis saying this.

00:14:43.000 Here's what Ron DeSantis should have said.

00:14:45.000 He should have said, boy, Trump has been really unfair to me the last couple weeks.

00:14:49.000 But I don't care because this is so wrong.

00:14:51.000 This is so evil.

00:14:52.000 This is so immoral.

00:14:54.000 And I got to tell you, this makes me angry and it should make you angry.

00:14:58.000 In Florida, we're a state of freedom and liberty where due process and the Constitution will always be the law of the land.

00:15:05.000 And I am outraged at what's happening in New York.

00:15:07.000 And boy, do I have my differences with how Donald Trump has handled calling me names and stuff.

00:15:12.000 But I'm going to put that all aside and say that principle and love of country comes above all of that.

00:15:18.000 And I think Avan Bragg, or whatever his name is, should resign in disgrace.

00:15:21.000 If he would have said that, that he would have skyrocketed in popularity.

00:15:26.000 Instead, it just looked a little bit like he was trying to jab Donald Trump while he was about to be indicted as the first president in American history.

00:15:35.000 It was an opportunity.

00:15:36.000 It just kind of looked like he was just kind of doing a little bit.

00:15:38.000 And I say that as a friend of Ron DeSantis.

00:15:40.000 I'm just giving some unsolicited advice here.

00:15:45.000 I think it was actually an opportunity that was not taken there.

00:15:49.000 It wasn't awful, but boy, you, the audience, are really upset with how we handled that.

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00:17:18.000 This very well could be a historic week.

00:17:21.000 The Manhattan District Attorney Office, they're putting up barricades outside the office.

00:17:25.000 Donald Trump said this weekend he's going to be arrested this week.

00:17:29.000 So it looks as if we are heading towards an indictment.

00:17:33.000 And joining us now is someone who has actually indicted people before, and he knows what he's talking about.

00:17:38.000 Kash Patel joins us.

00:17:40.000 Cash, welcome to the program.

00:17:41.000 Hey, Charlie, great to be back with you.

00:17:43.000 So, Cash, it's an unfortunate set of circumstances we find ourselves in.

00:17:47.000 Your reaction and how we should respond.

00:17:50.000 Well, one, my reaction has been based on themes.

00:17:55.000 And the biggest theme I've been fighting against is the destruction of the two-tier system of justice.

00:17:59.000 And we see it on full display here.

00:18:01.000 We got to remind the audience: when Hillary Clinton, when we exposed that she used campaign money to pay for the dirty steel dossier, the Department of Justice refused to prosecute her, as did every state attorney's office around the country.

00:18:16.000 She was fined by the FEC for improperly utilizing campaign funds to pay for a non-campaign-related event.

00:18:24.000 So, in the worst case scenario for Donald Trump, not admitting he did anything wrong, in the worst case scenario, it's a campaign-finance civil fine.

00:18:33.000 But we have a disparate treatment of it because he's Donald Trump.

00:18:37.000 And then, you know, we'll talk about the grand jury and the new witnesses going in today later, but that's sort of the leadoff.

00:18:44.000 So, let's kind of take a step back, Cash, and I want you to kind of LARP live action role play as if you're Alvin Bragg.

00:18:52.000 Our audience is confused.

00:18:53.000 And so, I just want you, in a minute or less, just give the best case for their case as if you were having to be a prosecutor for the DA.

00:19:02.000 What is Donald Trump being charged with?

00:19:04.000 What is the precedent here?

00:19:05.000 Does that make sense?

00:19:05.000 Like, build it out so our audience just gets all the facts of actually what's going on here.

00:19:10.000 So, if you had a case, if I was Donald Alvin Bragg, I would want to bring a prosecution based on not just a campaign finance violation, because that in and of itself is a civil, non-criminal penalty.

00:19:24.000 When you tie it to another crime, to use it to conspire to do something illegally, then that becomes a felony.

00:19:33.000 And if I was Alvin Bragg, that's what I would have to tie it to just to get past the statute of limitations argument, which is a whole separate issue.

00:19:41.000 So, what I would do is show that this money was utilized not just illegally, unlawfully and improperly for campaign purposes, but to extort someone else to get a definitive result that they would not have otherwise gotten, i.e., a bribe.

00:19:57.000 And I mean, this case seems shaky at best.

00:19:59.000 He must be very confident in the jury pool that he'll be able to attract in New York, right?

00:20:05.000 Well, it's New York City, Charlie, and you know how that goes.

00:20:07.000 I guess the only worst jury pool is Washington, D.C.

00:20:10.000 But here's the interesting part.

00:20:12.000 The jurors, no matter what, from my perspective as a public defender and a national security prosecutor, having been on both sides of it in grand juries and been a grand jury targeted witness myself, you still have to listen to the witness.

00:20:24.000 And one of their main witnesses is a convicted federal felon, Michael Cohen, who is convicted of lying and defrauding people out of their own money.

00:20:34.000 And their entire case supposedly is built on his testimony.

00:20:38.000 They have a new witness going into the grand jury, I think in like 35 minutes or so here, who is going to contradict supposedly everything Cohen says.

00:20:46.000 And this new witness has no felony record, has never lied, has never defrauded anyone.

00:20:50.000 So the jury still has to get through that.

00:20:52.000 I know the jury pool is tainted.

00:20:53.000 It's probably going to be pretty bad anyway.

00:20:55.000 But that's a significant piece of evidence that Donald Trump will have going forward should he be indicted.

00:21:03.000 Yeah.

00:21:03.000 And I mean, Cash, what we have here, though, is a beyond overreach.

00:21:07.000 The predecessor refused to pursue this case.

00:21:11.000 The DOJ refused to pursue this case, but they're going to try to go through it with it anyway.

00:21:17.000 And it is revenge.

00:21:18.000 It's revenge-driven politics for Donald Trump winning in 2016.

00:21:23.000 And they're also just trying to do it in the most ridiculing and humiliating way possible, right?

00:21:28.000 Donald Trump used to be the darling of New York.

00:21:31.000 He helped build New York, and then they want to indict him there.

00:21:33.000 Your thoughts, Cash?

00:21:35.000 Yeah, they want to use him as the continued pinata.

00:21:40.000 This is going to be the time from their perspective in their heads, we finally get him.

00:21:44.000 And I just don't agree with that.

00:21:45.000 It's going to be yet another gesticulation derived from the deranged theories of Russia Gay onto Ukraine impeachment one, two, Jan 6, what have you.

00:21:54.000 Every prosecutor from Mueller to Weissman to DOJ, Garland, and Chris Ray and Rosenstein has been trying to get Trump.

00:22:01.000 And do you think it's going to be this local state prosecutor who's funded by George Soros after the DOJ precedent has already been set and these guys couldn't charge Trump?

00:22:11.000 He's going to come up with a six-year-old crime that's going to take out Teflon Don and the next president of the United States.

00:22:18.000 I just don't see it.

00:22:19.000 Yeah, it just, so if this ends up happening, what does this mean for 2024?

00:22:26.000 Look, I'm not the political expert, but maybe I'll borrow from Elon Musk, who I don't often borrow from.

00:22:31.000 Donald Trump wins in a landslide.

00:22:33.000 This is going to cause a political implosion, I think, if he's charged, because what people are going to do is the ones that aren't you and I in your audience who focuses in on this stuff a lot, a lot of other Americans are going to be like, what is going on with this two-tier system of justice?

00:22:49.000 I don't want my family and my friends prosecuted because they voted for Trump.

00:22:53.000 That's what's going on here.

00:22:55.000 And it's going to expose that drastic divide.

00:22:58.000 And DOJ and FBI have now extended into the state judicial system.

00:23:04.000 And I just don't think it's going to be good for them.

00:23:06.000 So the audience is pretty fired up about what I think was a missed opportunity for Ron DeSantis.

00:23:11.000 Some people think that it was fine.

00:23:13.000 Most people in our audience are really upset about it because it was just misreading the room.

00:23:16.000 I think it was a missed opportunity.

00:23:18.000 Let's replay it for you, Cash, and I want your reaction.

00:23:20.000 Play cut 14, please.

00:23:22.000 You're talking about this situation with, and like, I don't know what goes into paying hush money to a porn star to secure silence over some type of alleged affair.

00:23:32.000 I just, I can't speak to that.

00:23:35.000 But what I can speak to is that if you have a prosecutor who is ignoring crimes happening every single day in his jurisdiction, and he chooses to go back many, many years ago to try to use something about porn star hush money payments, you know, that's an example of pursuing a political agenda and weaponizing the office.

00:24:01.000 And I think that that's fundamentally wrong.

00:24:05.000 Second part I thought was fine.

00:24:06.000 The first part is getting a lot of backlash.

00:24:09.000 I think some of it is a little overblown, but I do think Ron DeSantis missed an opportunity.

00:24:14.000 He could have stepped up and stood for principal here.

00:24:16.000 And I don't think he quite understands how the conservative base is viewing this, which is a Stalinistic development in our once-free country, Cash.

00:24:25.000 Look, yeah, it's no surprise that I'm obviously all in for President Trump.

00:24:28.000 So that bias aside for your audience, I do think Governor DeSantis is doing a great job in Florida, but that initial statement is the one I would focus on, the disclaimer, and I'm using quote marks, because why did he need to talk about the purported facts in the case or not facts?

00:24:42.000 Why didn't he just jump in as one of the most popular governors of our time and say, let's destroy the two-tier system of justice?

00:24:49.000 I in my state don't target people based on political orientation.

00:24:53.000 We chase down criminals.

00:24:54.000 We trace down murderers, rapists, and drug cartel characters.

00:24:58.000 Instead, he bookended his statement, which was late, by the way.

00:25:02.000 He could have done this like a week ago, like Vivek Ramaswamy and others have done it, who were smart to politically capitalize on it.

00:25:08.000 He bookended it.

00:25:09.000 And the middle part of the statement, which was correct, sort of gets drowned out.

00:25:14.000 And now he's dug himself into an even deeper political hole because he chose to be reticent when he should have just been fired up out of the gate.

00:25:22.000 So, Cash, I'm not thrilled to suggest this, but I believe it is the only way forward.

00:25:27.000 We live in a power struggle with Marxists and totalitarians, Leninists, Stalinists, Maoists that have taken over our government.

00:25:35.000 The Democrat crime mafia has largely gone untouched.

00:25:37.000 Durham was a complete swing and a miss. 0.97

00:25:39.000 I don't even know if he's still doing his thing.

00:25:41.000 It's a waste of time.

00:25:42.000 Isn't it time for us to use district attorneys and AGs to start investigating and indicting the members of the Democrat mafia?

00:25:50.000 Well, you know, Charlie, I'm reminded of this great guy who has a show out of Arizona and this other guy who talked about using district attorneys and state attorney generals such a long time ago.

00:25:59.000 I have to go search the history records for what show that's going to be.

00:26:02.000 No one listened to me, but that's okay.

00:26:04.000 Who says these things, who has these brilliant ideas?

00:26:06.000 But you're right.

00:26:07.000 Look at the weaponization use of a district attorney in New York City for political purposes.

00:26:12.000 What if our AGs in everyday America started chasing down Democrats who we know actually commit crimes that tie campaigns finance violation to felonies and other such matters?

00:26:24.000 Why don't we chase them down if our federal government is? 0.78

00:26:28.000 Hey, Bill Gates, can you come in for a testimony in front of a grand jury?

00:26:31.000 Did you fly on a private plane with underage girls illegally trafficking them? 0.98

00:26:35.000 I mean, just a simple question, Bill Gates.

00:26:37.000 Bring in your attorneys.

00:26:37.000 Yes or no?

00:26:38.000 It's fine.

00:26:39.000 I mean, just who else was on the plane?

00:26:41.000 What did you do on that island, Bill Gates?

00:26:43.000 Like, that's how Republican AGs should operate, but that would require courage of which Republicans have none.

00:26:49.000 It's absolutely mind-boggling.

00:26:51.000 And you're right.

00:26:52.000 You don't need the conviction.

00:26:53.000 This is what I've been saying about the new Congress and the House Republicans who are trying to chase the shiny object.

00:26:58.000 Get the documents, get the testimony, put it out to the American people.

00:27:01.000 If one Republican attorney general, DA would swear in six witnesses, whether it's on Epstein or what have you, and just put that information out there, that would be...

00:27:11.000 How about another one?

00:27:12.000 Mr. Hunter Biden, you have been subpoenaed.

00:27:12.000 Another one.

00:27:15.000 Who bought your paintings?

00:27:16.000 Exactly.

00:27:17.000 What did you know about those paintings?

00:27:19.000 You're trying to tell me that there's not any red state DA or AG jurisdiction over this?

00:27:23.000 Or how about the woman he impregnated in Arkansas?

00:27:25.000 I mean, final thoughts, Cash.

00:27:27.000 No, how about the million dollars that came in from the CCP to Joe Biden's family, his brother, his dead brother's wife, who he ended up with, which is a whole other disgusting thing.

00:27:38.000 When did she get the money and why did you bring her into the matter?

00:27:41.000 We're talking about seven figures.

00:27:42.000 Let's just put the banking statements out, which I hope Jim Comer does.

00:27:46.000 He's been doing the right thing on the investigative front, but we need those documents, ASAP.

00:27:51.000 Yeah, but that would require Republicans with courage and a will to save the country.

00:27:55.000 Instead, we're going to get a lot of op-eds, and they're going to keep on indicting us.

00:27:58.000 They'll keep on issuing subpoenas, and they're going to try to put us all in prison while we tweet.

00:28:02.000 Thank you, Cash.

00:28:03.000 Appreciate it.

00:28:04.000 See you soon.

00:28:04.000 Go to fightwithcash.com.

00:28:06.000 Appreciate it.

00:28:06.000 Thank you.

00:28:07.000 They're going to perp walk a president and we're going to tweet about it.

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00:28:25.000 What if I told you that if you wanted to go to bed at 9, you could be asleep by 9.05?

00:28:28.000 Daisy, who works on our team, I said, look, you got a big problem.

00:28:32.000 You're not having enough magnesium, right?

00:28:34.000 True story.

00:28:35.000 And she tried it, and she came back to work the next day, and she said, Charlie, I don't even remember going to sleep.

00:28:41.000 Boom, you fall asleep.

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00:30:24.000 Just to understand the mind of the left, you have some very broken people.

00:30:27.000 They have this fetish.

00:30:28.000 They have this wet dream.

00:30:29.000 They have this fascination with seeing Donald Trump in an orange jumpsuit.

00:30:35.000 It's not just because of Trump.

00:30:36.000 It's because of what he represents.

00:30:37.000 It's the fact he was able to displace them from power.

00:30:42.000 This is a source of meaning for them, purpose.

00:30:46.000 There will be celebration.

00:30:47.000 I don't know if there'll be celebration on the streets.

00:30:49.000 I wouldn't be surprised if there will be celebration in the streets, if Donald Trump is actually arrested.

00:30:55.000 But for them, this is how they temporarily filled an existential void.

00:30:58.000 Many of them don't have children, or if they do, that doesn't give them meaning.

00:31:02.000 Many of them do not believe in God, and so they do not have any sort of connection or yearning to be connected to the divine.

00:31:08.000 They live in really crammed apartments in Brocks, the Bronx or Brooklyn.

00:31:12.000 They've been told that you're unhappy because of the orange man, and now you must put orange suit on orange man.

00:31:17.000 That's very, very complex thinking on behalf of the New York City activist class.

00:31:24.000 And of course, that's not the way life works, but that's a main driver here.

00:31:28.000 This is not rational.

00:31:29.000 You're dealing with pathological behavior.

00:31:33.000 Almost diabolical, mind you.

00:31:35.000 I'm going to play a piece of tape here from Jonathan Turley, legal expert.

00:31:41.000 I want to play both of them.

00:31:42.000 So we'll start with cut eight, then cut nine.

00:31:43.000 Play cut eight, please.

00:31:45.000 One would say that Bragg is outside of his lane, but in this case, he's on a completely different highway.

00:31:51.000 I mean, this is an effort by a state official to effectively prosecute a federal crime, a crime that the Department of Justice decided not to prosecute.

00:32:04.000 Next one, play cut nine, please.

00:32:06.000 I think Bragg is out of time.

00:32:08.000 The statute of limitations is about two years on this offense.

00:32:13.000 That has already run.

00:32:14.000 You can extend it to five years if you connect it as a felony to another crime.

00:32:20.000 Even at five years, I'm not sure the time has not run out.

00:32:24.000 So there's going to be some very intense challenges here.

00:32:28.000 But they've never cared about the law.

00:32:30.000 These are postmodernists who believe that you can make up your own truth.

00:32:33.000 They don't care if the legal theory is weak on this one.

00:32:37.000 They think he should have been successfully impeached twice.

00:32:40.000 They think he should be in jail for January 6th.

00:32:43.000 They think he's a criminal.

00:32:45.000 They've thought that for a while.

00:32:48.000 They yearn to put the people they hate in handcuffs.

00:32:52.000 They find pleasure and thrills in the suffering and the cruelty of others.

00:32:58.000 The cruelty is the point.

00:33:00.000 He's been investigated for 40 years of work.

00:33:04.000 Not, he's been investigated for 40 years, but they investigated 40 years of work.

00:33:07.000 He's a developer, and this is the best that they can find.

00:33:10.000 And yeah, they found a couple tax issues with Weissman or Weisberg, Alan, the guy that worked in his office as a CFO.

00:33:19.000 And that's it.

00:33:20.000 When a country starts to engage in naked political persecution, you start to go places we've never gone before.

00:33:29.000 And, you know, somebody says, you know, Charlie, we're not as divided as we were in the Civil War.

00:33:35.000 You could say what you want about the Civil War.

00:33:37.000 This never happened in the Civil War.

00:33:38.000 Perp Walking, a former president.

00:33:41.000 What makes the regime different than almost any other regime in history is that instead of governing, instead of improving the welfare of the nation that they are in, instead of fighting for the citizens and saying, you know, we've got a fentanyl problem and a middle-class wage problem, and oh, yeah, we have banks collapsing.

00:34:02.000 It's as if the current regime bases their success on how many bad guys or people they hate they can put behind bars.

00:34:15.000 Their power depends basically on criminalizing the opposition in one form or the other.

00:34:21.000 So when I call these people Maoists, I absolutely believe it. 0.99

00:34:27.000 Trump is, of course, the most standout example, but don't forget Douglas Mackey, the FBI spying on parents, the criminalization of the justice system against Steve Bannon or Mark Hauck.

00:34:40.000 They look at success not based on all the objective independent metrics that we would.

00:34:48.000 Do you have a border?

00:34:50.000 Are you balancing the budget?

00:34:52.000 Are you able to have a safe country?

00:34:55.000 Is violent crime going down?

00:34:57.000 Are you able to fund your social services?

00:35:00.000 Are people happy?

00:35:01.000 No, instead, the country is the most oppressed, the most suicidal, most alcohol-addicted, most psychiatric drug-addicted in history.

00:35:08.000 The border is wide open and 5,000 people are crossing it every day.

00:35:11.000 We've now spent $200 billion on a proxy war 5,000 miles away.

00:35:17.000 Middle-class income is going up.

00:35:18.000 Inflation at a record high.

00:35:20.000 We have a couple bank collapses.

00:35:21.000 That very well could be the entire banking system.

00:35:24.000 But the way the regime judges their own success, when they give themselves their own report card, their report card is: did we put people we hate in jail?

00:35:38.000 That's how they judge success.

00:35:42.000 And that shows that we're dealing with very broken and evil people.

00:35:45.000 This should not be a mystery.

00:35:47.000 And by the way, every pastor in America, they won't, because most pastors are cowards and feckless, they should be giving clear sermons about the evil act of using the government to indict political opponents, the tyranny of it.

00:36:03.000 And we're just supposed to take it.

00:36:04.000 Yeah, okay, everything's just fine.

00:36:06.000 And I guess we'll just live to fight another day.

00:36:08.000 The country is crumbling around us.

00:36:10.000 We are on the razor edge of totalitarianism.

00:36:12.000 And that does not mean we fight back.

00:36:14.000 That means we have to do more.

00:36:18.000 The other reason they're doing this, and this is not a stated reason, they want to put on display.

00:36:23.000 They want to try to chill your activism.

00:36:26.000 They want to try to chill your speech.

00:36:28.000 They want you to be afraid that you could be next.

00:36:31.000 And by the way, you might be next.

00:36:32.000 You might be audited next.

00:36:33.000 You might be indicted next.

00:36:34.000 You might be raided next.

00:36:35.000 They want to have the symbol of the MAGA movement, Trump himself, put behind bars.

00:36:41.000 And that's going to give them some sort of sick thrill. 0.99

00:36:43.000 These are broken, very sick people.

00:36:46.000 Stay peaceful.

00:36:47.000 We'll see if tomorrow, for the first time in American history, a former president gets arrested.

00:36:54.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.

00:36:56.000 Email me your thoughts as always, freedom at charliekirk.com.

00:37:00.000 Thank you so much for listening, and God bless.

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The Charlie Kirk Show - March 20, 2023

The Conservative World Reacts with Kevin Roberts and Kash Patel

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