00:00:32.000His spirit, his love of this country, he's done an amazing job building one of the most powerful youth organizations ever created, Turning Point USA.
00:00:40.000We will not embrace the ideas that have destroyed countries, destroyed lives, and we are going to fight for freedom on campuses across the country.
00:01:13.000Well, I mean, we see that Soros-funded Manhattan DA Alvin Bragg seems like he's pretty determined to bring these political charges against President Trump and indict him on his bogus legal theory, trumped up charges on a bogus legal theory.
00:01:30.000They, you know, I don't know if he's pausing or backing down or what, because it seems like we're hearing word that the indictment could be pushed back to next week, but you still have the Bragg's office coordinating with the Secret Service, other federal and state and local law enforcement agencies.
00:01:49.000They have the security fence around the Manhattan courthouse.
00:01:52.000So it looks like it's bull steam ahead for Alvin Bragg.
00:01:56.000Mission accomplished for him politically.
00:01:58.000He's campaigned on the fact that he wants to take out Trump.
00:02:01.000If you look at his Twitter, both his Manhattan DA office and his personal Twitter feeds, he has penned tweets showing his Trump arrangements.
00:02:10.000And so this is going to backfire spectacularly on the Democrats.
00:02:33.000But if you look at what they're going to do is unify the Republican Party around President Trump, they're going to do the impossible, which is to I agree with that.
00:02:44.000I'm just not sure if regular people, I think, I'm not sure if it's going to have this.
00:02:47.000And I've been waiting for the boomerang for years, what I'm getting at, right?
00:02:50.000And I don't mean to be cynical, but I see no evidence that any of this stuff actually backfires.
00:02:55.000It just seems as if we become less free.
00:02:57.000I mean, Gretchen Whitmer won re-election in Michigan by eight points, and she was cruel to her people.
00:03:03.000The news cycle just kind of moves on, it seems.
00:03:06.000Well, I mean, I think this is waking up people.
00:03:08.000This is the first time that I can remember in U.S. history where we've had such a political prosecution against, certainly against a former president, but where you have just blatantly politicized the justice system to take out your political enemy.
00:03:25.000I think this is going to wake up people.
00:03:33.000Notice how the National Democrats are not crowing about this.
00:03:39.000You get the crazies out there like Maxine Waters out there calling for Trump scout, but you're not seeing a lot of other Democrats doing this because I think they know that this is going to backfire.
00:03:48.000I mean, it's like during the Kavanaugh thing.
00:03:51.000They went too far during the Kavanaugh confirmation with their Me Too stuff.
00:03:55.000It backfired when Republicans picked up House seats, or excuse me, when Democrats picked up House seats and won the House in 2018, Republicans took out four Senate Democrat incumbents and picked up two seats.
00:05:17.000It's time for Republicans to take off the gloves, put on the breast knuckles, and break the Democrats' glass jaws.
00:05:24.000Because this is always a one-way ratchet for Democrats.
00:05:27.000They will weaponize the justice system.
00:05:30.000They're going after Trump, Trump's top aides, his supporters, and we sit back and do nothing.
00:05:35.000We need prosecutors and red states to start going after the Democrats.
00:05:39.000A good place to start is, hey, did you have a riot in St. Louis by any chance?
00:05:46.000Maybe the Republican Attorney General of Missouri, for example, should look at bringing RICO charges or some other charges at whoever's funding BLM and Antifa, maybe George Soros.
00:05:57.000We need to stop being weak and stupid on the Republican side of the aisle, on the conservative side of the aisle.
00:06:03.000We have to give them a healthy dose of their own medicine.
00:06:07.000And that's why I say, hey, for all the Democrats out there watching, when we start purp walking all your favorite Democrats, you're not allowed to complain.
00:06:16.000If you indict Donald Trump, when we finally got our act together and we get attorneys general that are not a waste of rations, and we start all of a sudden putting, you know, top-level Democrats in handcuffs and we just start going in subpoenas, you guys are done.
00:07:13.000If this Fulton County DA is going to go after Trump, maybe the Georgia legislature, maybe the Georgia governor, maybe they should take away the power from these local DAs and just...
00:07:23.000Well, Brian Kemp is not going to do that because I think Brian Kemp is enthusiastically cheering for the indictment of Donald Trump.
00:07:28.000He is not a friend of Donald Trump at all.
00:07:31.000And same with Rothensperger and all the people that are helping in that indictment.
00:07:34.000And isn't that interesting, though, Mike?
00:07:35.000How many Republicans are quietly assisting this push to criminally indict Donald Trump?
00:08:15.000If you're a DA, if you're a sheriff, if you're an attorneys general, and you're not currently investigating one of the top 30 criminal actors from Soros to any of these people, the Zuckerberg Zuckerboxes, we have to primary these people, we have to remove them.
00:08:29.000And when I talk to these attorneys general, they're kind of really sheepish and weak, Mike.
00:08:33.000I mean, I was just talking to another one.
00:08:34.000I said, why don't you have any current investigations into Clinton or into Zuckerberg, who had drop boxes in your state?
00:09:11.000We need to fight back and give them a healthy dose of their own medicine and make them stop doing what they're doing by giving them a dose of their own medicine.
00:09:19.000What, if anything, can we do to slow down Bragg?
00:09:21.000Jim Jordan is saying he wants to subpoena him and have him testify.
00:10:02.000As soon as they announced all these investigations, we should have had all the attorneys general together, say, boys, is a sad day in America.
00:10:10.000But we fight fire with fire around here, and America's worth preserving.
00:10:14.000Therefore, here's our current investigation into all of you that flew on Epstein's plane down with underage girls.
00:10:20.000Zuckerboxes, funding of BLM, funding of all this stuff.
00:11:09.000It's so easy for a prosecutor to get an indictment.
00:11:12.000You can indict a ham sandwich, as people say.
00:11:14.000So I think that they are absolutely going to indict Trump on these bogus charges, trumped up charges.
00:11:21.000And, you know, like we talked about, Charlie, this is so bad for our country, but we cannot unilaterally disarm our Republican prosecutors around the country need to fight fire with fire.
00:11:37.000I don't, I am so tired of the Democrats, you know, going after Republicans and the Republicans win power and say, you know, we're going to reset.
00:11:46.000We're going to get back to the old normal.
00:11:51.000We're dealing with the Marxist left, and they're going to constantly keep doing this until I think.
00:11:56.000And I'm glad to hear you say that because I think that's the only fear with constantly saying there'll be a boomerang and backfire because I think it's an excuse for an action, not for you, but some people.
00:12:04.000I mean, I was talking to somebody recently.
00:12:06.000They said, well, this is going to backfire.
00:12:13.000But eventually we'll be able to fix it through long-term cultural change.
00:12:16.000What you're suggesting is no, The only thing they understand is handcuffs and prison time.
00:12:21.000And it's long past time the Democrat mafia starts to actually have to go through the same sort of punitive process that they're doing to us.
00:12:30.000Yeah, I called it the dead chicken strategy during the Kavanaugh confirmation.
00:12:34.000You have to, when I clerk for Justice Gorsage, Justice Thomas told us when he grew up on the farm in Georgia, when dogs killed chickens, you would wrap that dead chicken around that dog's neck.
00:12:45.000And as it rotted around that dog's neck, that dog lost the taste for chicken.
00:12:49.000And we need to do the same thing to Democrats, wrap those dead chickens around their necks, start indicting George Soros-funded groups, BLM, and Tifa leaders who are clearly violence, clearly committing tax evasion.
00:13:05.000We need to stop being weak and stupid on the right.
00:13:08.000I mean, how is it in what galaxy is it just that Hunter Biden continues to walk free and Donald Trump faces an indictment?
00:13:17.000I mean, that right there is an insult to every Republican aging.
00:13:22.000And I know a lot of these people and I've talked to them and I get nothing but excuses, Mike.
00:13:26.000I get nothing but excuses from local DAs.
00:13:28.000Meanwhile, they have Trump in Fulton County.
00:13:48.000White Republican men in the South and also lawyers are the weakest people on the planet, right?
00:13:54.000They are, they are, well, I don't want to say it on your air, but they need to find their backbones and they need to start fighting back because we're going to lose our country if we don't fight back.
00:14:07.000I mean, I don't want to paint with too broad of a brush.
00:14:09.000You said it, but is it kind of, is it the post-World War II German syndrome that they grew up just being told they're horrible people their whole life?
00:14:17.000So they just kind of cower in a corner and they're constantly being apologized.
00:14:20.000I mean, that's at least what I get when I meet with German conservatives.
00:14:23.000They're always like afraid to be too radical because they were told that their grandfather did something really bad.
00:14:32.000They are so fearful of being accused of being racist or sexist or, you know, anti-gay or whatever the issue is that they're paralyzed by this fear.
00:14:43.000And what they need to do is say, you know what?
00:14:45.000Democrats accuse everyone of being racist and sexist and homophobic and transphobic.
00:15:02.000And especially right now, I mean, it's just, and by the way, somebody, you know, a lot of people are emailing us.
00:15:08.000They're saying, well, Charlie, why is it that we haven't done this?
00:15:13.000And they're weak and they're stupid and they're also very self-interested, but it has to be a demand from voters.
00:15:18.000And I hate to say it, but we're going to have to have Alvin Bragg's running for office where they say, elect me and I'll go investigate Hillary Clinton.
00:15:25.000I mean, these are going to have to start being promises now.
00:15:34.000Maybe when President Trump wins back the White House in 2024, after Alvin Bragg indicts him, he can make me his acting attorney general for a few months because I can't get Senate confirmed because I'm too crazy.
00:15:46.000I'll give Democrats a healthy dose of their own medicine if I'm the acting agent.
00:15:50.000I'm joking, but we need people who are willing to go in there and fight.
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00:17:37.000So, I want to, I got, I got several questions to ask.
00:17:39.000I also want to ask about your comments you made yesterday about Ron DeSantis, but I'm just pushing back a little bit on this talking point I keep hearing from people that a Trump arrest is going to lead to a backlash.
00:18:01.000You know, I think that it's a bit more complicated than that.
00:18:05.000You know, in terms of nomination polling, you know, since a little bit before the midterm, after the midterm, and then, you know, in the couple of months that have developed since, this decline in Ron DeSantis' support is been weeks in the making, Charlie.
00:18:23.000I'm trying to put this right, but there had been some other things that had gone on.
00:18:28.000And I mean, we could talk specifically about them, but people started to question, you know, whether he had the right people around him, who was funding him, things like this that really started to raise people's eyebrows.
00:18:42.000And then over the weekend, the silence and then Monday, you know, kind of confirming it was a very structured response, a very managed response.
00:20:12.000He did uh, hold it for that night and then recede a little bit.
00:20:15.000What i'm not really comes out, it's going to be big.
00:20:18.000I meant less Trump De Santis, we'll get into that.
00:20:20.000I meant more broadly that somehow independents are going to be swayed by the criminalization of our just our politicization of the justice system.
00:20:27.000I, I don't see evidence of that, do you?
00:20:30.000I think uh, even though this will probably be a made-for-tv show trial, I think eventually there'll be something else to talk about.
00:20:37.000Charlie and people you know that are not political junkies like us, that are, that are normies.
00:20:42.000Uh, they're going to be thinking about other things.
00:20:44.000We've asked in the past independents, the entire electorate, you know, whether or not they expected Donald Trump to be indicted number one and number two, whether or not they thought it was legitimate or it was political persecution.
00:20:56.000I really do think this stuff is baked in a lot of people's minds uh, that they, they didn't think that people were going to leave Donald Trump alone, that this, you know, attack legally on him was ever going to go away, and most people do see it as a political persecution.
00:21:10.000So I just, you know, I I think again, I mean the term i'm i'm looking for here is baked in the cake.
00:21:16.000I I I, at the end of the day, I don't know that I see it as a mass red pill event, you know, for independence I?
00:21:23.000I just don't think that you know that will matter to Republicans.
00:21:27.000But some of those independents are just going to look back and the answer that, the question they're going to ask themselves by the time we get there, is whether or not the country is more stable or doing better uh, than it had been doing under Donald Trump.
00:21:42.000Um, and we are, by the way, polling general election head-to-heads right now and it's going to come out very soon.
00:21:47.000So uh, you know he's, he's still by far the strongest candidate, and so let's kind of let's go through the DeSantis thing you said yesterday on, I think, Steve Bannon's program.
00:21:57.000That, Steve Bannon, that you think, Steve Bannon, I'm sorry, you think that Ron DeSantis Scott, Walkered himself.
00:22:08.000If you go back and look at it, I don't think anybody can make anyone can objectively look at that video and not come to the same conclusion.
00:22:17.000They spent 72 hours almost working on the response, and then the the quib that he threw in there like a zinger he was supposed to be and look, he's going to run for president right, so he's not running yet, but it's fair game.
00:22:39.000But if you want to explain to the Republican voter that you're serious and you understand where we are right now as a country, what we're facing, that this is a uh you know I hate to use this word, but that this is a war for the Soul of the country, uh, then you need to be more serious than this.
00:22:59.000And he he could have, Ron DeSantis could have had a big moment yesterday, even though he waited, which he should not have.
00:23:06.000That was a canned, very Scott Walker-like response.
00:23:09.000For those who don't know what I'm talking about, second presidential debate.
00:23:12.000Scott Walker was once considered a very strong governor, strong candidate, the dark horse, if anything.
00:23:17.000And he killed himself 48 hours after he made that.
00:23:20.000Mr. President, we don't need an apprentice in the White House, courtesy of George Will's wife, who he handed his campaign to, and she ran it in the ground.
00:23:27.000Very much, by the way, the same group of people, the Paul Ryan consultant class that now surround Ron DeSantis.
00:23:34.000So it shouldn't surprise anybody that the kind of content you're getting out of Ron DeSantis is what we saw from Scott Walker.
00:23:41.000Republican voters recoiled from that, even though at that time they weren't sure yet, not and definitely not all of them.
00:23:48.000We're not sure yet what to make of Donald Trump.
00:23:51.000But what they saw with Scott Walker was that he was trying to be somebody he wasn't because he was listening to consultants and Donald Trump was being authentic, being who he was.
00:24:00.000And what Ron DeSantis did yesterday was come out and be somebody that the voters did not think Ron DeSantis was.
00:24:23.000Without a doubt, Charlie, I mean, I would love to go through some of these demographics.
00:24:27.000I don't know how much time we have, but got a couple minutes.
00:24:29.000Do it quick because I want to get to other candidates just for interest of garden variety, but please continue.
00:24:36.000Anyone who wants to beat Trump in a Republican nomination has got to break his 30-plus point stronghold lead on non-college, non-college voters in the Republican primary.
00:24:46.000They will dominate a Republican primary.
00:24:49.000Even post-grads, Trump now leads with again in our polling.
00:24:53.000Four-year college grads, surprisingly, are a little bit closer.
00:24:57.000But the bottom line is DeSantis basically forfeited what base he was trying to create.
00:25:02.000And then the younger voter, Charlie, you would love this.
00:25:06.000I mean, the 18 to 24 Republican voter is a Trump or bust voter.
00:26:36.000And by the way, you got to give it to Vivek, who was smart.
00:26:39.000He knew that she is taking a lane all of her own, but he knew that Ron DeSantis was trying to walk a tightrope, you know, doing this tightrope act where, you know, I kind of want Trump to be damaged politically by these indictments.
00:26:52.000That is the pitch he's been making to donors.
00:26:55.000I'm just going to say that out loud because it's true, but he can't let the Republican voter know that.
00:27:00.000And Vivek is over there shaking the rope, inviting Nikki and Ron to come and have a press conference with him.
00:27:06.000And Ron just bought it, but Nikki Haley was too busy talking about Ukraine.
00:27:12.000I mean, she's at like six or seven percent, Charlie.
00:27:15.000I mean, at this point, I don't know where she plans on breaking through.
00:28:11.000And by the way, Charlie, they had been doing this to the conservative base of the Republican Party, you know, the conservative alternatives for years before Trump came along.
00:28:20.000It was always, you know, your guy may win Iowa, but we're going to beat him in the rest of the nomination.
00:28:25.000And then you just have to suck it up and hold your nose and vote for our guy.
00:28:29.000I'm not even convinced they were ever truly conservative, let alone, you know, what the Republican Party stands for now.
00:28:36.000They simply, the only explanation, Charlie, is they don't care.
00:28:40.000Yeah, or there's a lifestyle they're trying to support catering to a very specific type of funding.
00:30:13.000So, Rich, are you seeing any other candidates that might announce for office that might be any sort of competitors, or is this just kind of entertainment at this point?
00:30:22.000You know, I really think it's entertainment.
00:30:50.000There's polling we can go back and look at, Charlie, from 15 and 16.
00:30:54.000Yeah, he's a former president now, but he didn't have this level of dominance even when it became clear that he was going to clinch the nomination.
00:31:02.000Even polling back then, he didn't have that kind of dominance.
00:32:33.000So let me ask you, I think a couple attack vectors, though, that Trump has to be careful with is the vaccine and the people he had around him.
00:34:21.000McDonald's, Little League games, you know, living rooms, you know, just like out of nowhere, all of a sudden he just shows up at a VFW meeting, right?
00:34:31.000And he just starts talking to people, right?
00:34:34.000Charlie, that's where he was, where he always was best in the 2015-16 primary.
00:34:40.000I remember in New Hampshire, he just popped up at the Manchester Police and the fire department heard he was over there and they were all trying to get on the trucks and race over to talk to him.
00:34:48.000He was shaking the hands of like 15 people and then people were swarming.
00:34:52.000You know, Trump is over there talking to the cops.
00:34:55.000That was the best that he, you know, presented himself that whole election cycle.
00:35:01.000In Iowa, there were farmers who were on the fence and they won over.