Nebraska is close to passing a bill that could guarantee Donald Trump another electoral vote in 2020, but it's up to the Governor and the unicameral legislature to get this bill passed. Today's special guest is Charlie Kirk, the founder of Turning Point USA, an organization dedicated to fighting for freedom on college campuses.
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00:02:14.000But what happened yesterday was one of the great movements that we've seen in quite some time.
00:02:20.000The power of this audience, the power of all of you that picked up your phones, that decided to let your voice be heard, in particular, those of you in Nebraska.
00:02:31.000We sent out a tweet yesterday saying that Nebraska needs to fix this.
00:02:34.000This is a way to guarantee Donald Trump gets another electoral vote.
00:02:38.000It guarantees another vote to make Donald Trump more likely to become the 47th president of the United States.
00:02:47.000And if you're trying to win the presidency, you want as many options as possible.
00:02:52.000Our working theory on this program is that the Rust Belt elected Donald Trump in 2016, and the Sunbelt very well might elect Donald Trump in 2024.
00:03:03.000It stops giving Democrats a free electoral vote in a red state in every election indefinitely.
00:03:09.000So we decided to make a point out of it.
00:03:10.000And the governor of Nebraska, to his great credit, Governor Pillin, came out and said, I support this bill and I will sign it.
00:03:18.000That came out of nowhere, but it came from you.
00:05:04.000I would introduce yourself as an out-of-state citizen and a proud patriot because I see it both ways, because this is not really a Nebraska issue.
00:05:11.000In some ways, it is, but it's really a national issue.
00:05:26.000The two individuals that really this is weighing on, because the governor will sign it, President Trump is behind it, is Senator Ray Aguilar and Senator Rita Sanders.
00:05:37.000These two individuals can become heroes.
00:05:40.000Now, I'm going to share these phone numbers, but if you're out of state, it's especially important to be respectful.
00:05:46.000The last thing that we want to do is for annoying people to call from out of state and start bullying them and telling them what to do.
00:07:13.000And now Democrat operatives from San Francisco to Seattle to LA to Chicago to Boston to D.C. are freaking out because this changes the entire electoral math for Joe Biden.
00:07:25.000If Nebraska gets this done, Joe Biden's path becomes harder.
00:08:00.000Technically, Republicans get four, and President Biden, Democrats get the one from Omaha.
00:08:04.000If that changes, and we don't know that it will, the state legislature is going to look at it.
00:08:07.000But if that changes, that takes away Biden's best path to win.
00:08:11.000Because if you get, if he wins, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, Michigan, but loses the other swing states and no longer picks up the one in Nebraska, 269, that leads playbook this morning, the alarm among Democrats that this is possible.
00:09:13.000And so for those of you that might be calling, Senator Aguilar or whatever, any of these individuals that we're not quite sure, insiders are telling us they might be holding it up, just be super sweet.
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00:11:12.000The Nebraska state party chair is going to come through.
00:11:14.000You're trying to tell me that if there was a crisis in Nebraska, a natural disaster, they couldn't pass a bill quickly.
00:11:21.000That if there was some sort of urgent measure, this is urgent.
00:11:24.000You have a regime that's destroying the country and Nebraska is about to send one of their electoral votes in a goofy way that only one of the state does.
00:11:31.000I understand there's probably a lot of stuff that they got to get done.
00:11:33.000They probably have to, you know, do budgeting and taxes and all sorts of, I get all that.
00:11:37.000But we're talking about the Republic here and the eyes of the nation are now in Nebraska.
00:11:42.000And I mean, I'll listen to all of your parliamentarian excuses.
00:11:46.000Now, just so we're clear, Mr. Aguilar is now a yes on winner-take-all, which is huge, everybody.
00:11:52.000So I think we can temporarily suspend the phone calls to Aguilar's office.
00:11:58.000If you want to call them, say thank you and try to ask, hey, how can we help?
00:12:55.000Nebraska governor Jim Pillan yesterday threw his support behind a bill that would deliver all five of the state's electoral votes to the state white winner of the presidential race rather than allocating them by congressional district political rights.
00:13:06.000It could shake up the presidential election.
00:13:08.000Joe Biden, for Joe Biden, it would take away his easiest path to 270.
00:13:13.000Win the blue wall, states of Michigan, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania plus one electoral vote from Metro Omaha.
00:13:17.000Pillen's announcement came under pressure from MAGA activist Charlie Kirk, though Nebraska Democrats tell semaphores Dave Weigel they're confident the bill won't pass the legislative session that ends next week.
00:13:27.000Do note, quote, the Democrat majority legislature in Maine, the other state with piecemeal electoral voting, also ends the session next week.
00:13:39.000And not only do we have the numbers, a old school Democrat who's a socially conservative Democrat in Nebraska, he just switched parties.
00:13:47.000We now have the ability for this to pass without a filibuster in Nebraska.
00:13:52.000McDonnell switches parties live from Nebraska.
00:13:55.000State Senator Mike McDonnell tells NCN, which I imagine is Nebraska Conservative News Network or something, quote, today I am changing my party affiliation to Republican, adding the Democrat Party has, quote, decided to punish me for being pro-life.
00:14:11.000So far, no word on his future political plans.
00:14:14.000We have the chair of the Nebraska GOP coming on next.
00:15:14.000And I think we're going to get this done.
00:15:16.000I think that if we keep the pressure on, again, I guarantee you right now, Democrats are flying in operatives right now to Omaha, into Lincoln, to try to do some dark arts.
00:15:27.000The fact that MSNBC tells you that this could disrupt Joe Biden's pass to the White House, that right there, signed, sealed, and delivered.
00:15:34.000They're telling you that this could actually hurt the Democrat chances.
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00:17:48.000Joining us now is the state party chair of the state of Nebraska, Eric Underwood.
00:17:57.000So give us the update from the ground in Nebraska.
00:18:01.000What do we need to do to get this thing done?
00:18:03.000Well, you've been doing a lot of what I was hoping to have done there.
00:18:06.000By you bringing in the outside influence is what's going to make a big difference here.
00:18:11.000We found that this bill, the winner-take-all, has not only national attention and national effect.
00:18:19.000It affects us here in Nebraska more than we ever realized.
00:18:22.000Many of the senators that are at the unicameral would not have to fight so much Democratic money if this one electoral vote wasn't given away to the Democrat.
00:18:31.000So what we need to do is understand that the unicameral is a one lawmaking body in Nebraska.
00:18:36.000So you've got 49 individuals that decide.
00:18:39.000In this situation, we've got to get 32 to 33 of them to get through our filibuster, and then they can move this bill through and get it signed to the desk of our governor, Jim Pillan, who has already said that he's going to vote for it.
00:19:07.000So Senator Brewer is the committee chair, and the committee chair then helps plan the agenda for any subcommittees that go through there.
00:19:14.000Most of our committees have seven or eight individuals that would be voting on to get it through.
00:19:18.000If Senator Aguilar and Senator Sanders are in agreement with this, that would make it a 6-2 vote to move this bill to the floor.
00:19:25.000So respectfully, and I have a great relationship with Senator Brewer.
00:19:29.000I think that this is something that they can help get done to move this out of committee and then get it back onto the floor.
00:19:35.000And that's where the interesting time comes of our process, where it'll have to be voted on three times by a minimum of 25 people to pass it each time.
00:19:45.000But we have to deal with the filibuster.
00:19:47.000To break that filibuster, we need 33 votes.
00:19:50.000And as you just appropriately said, we have one more Republican unicameral senator as of today.
00:21:03.000They care about Omaha or Sarpi, other counties that are in Douglas or in Congressional District 2.
00:21:09.000No, they care about the fact that there's one electoral vote.
00:21:12.000So if we can move this to the floor and you can get 33 senators to automatically just vote for cloture, which bypassed the filibuster, we could move this through if they wanted to, but they have to make it a priority.
00:21:24.000And that's a priority in the sense that this is important priority.
00:21:36.000Procedurally, they could make this happen if they pushed this forward.
00:21:39.000If they came together, if they coalesced, and obviously with the governor's support, he wouldn't veto it.
00:21:44.000He's shown that he wants this to be one of his priority finishes to this congressional district or to this Senate unicameral session, as well as the fact that we could also continue into a special session if we want to.
00:22:02.000And again, you've said it very appropriately.
00:22:04.000When we build relationships with our lawmakers, when the party, the people of the party work together with the lawmakers, that's when you're going to get more things done.
00:22:13.000So I would respectfully ask Nebraskans, as you indicated, we have 600,000 Republicans versus 300,000 Democrats.
00:22:20.000600,000 Republicans could call up Senator Brewer and the 32, now 33 senators, and say, we really want this to happen.
00:22:29.000And if we do that, I think we could make this happen.
00:22:34.000We want it to be done respectfully and we want it to be done politely and persuasively.
00:22:39.000But I think that the energy is increasing.
00:22:44.000So I just want to reiterate, everybody, any excuse you might hear about how it is not a priority or there's other bills, there is no procedural reason.
00:22:54.000There is no provision in the Constitution that says that this bill cannot become law.
00:24:41.000What happened is the moment that this party decided to also support America First candidates, there started to become a separation.
00:24:49.000And so that's why we need to get back to what is our values.
00:24:53.000It's written in the Nebraska platform that we want the unicameral to change it to a winner-take-all.
00:24:59.000So if that's what our platform says, isn't that something that we should honor?
00:25:03.000We decided to come together as the party and say that the central committee voted on the legislative plan to make this happen.
00:25:09.000We also wanted to make some of the unicameral changes to the rules so that this sort of stuff wouldn't happen where you get through a 60-day session and you have an opportunity that you can make this move forward.
00:25:51.000Well, and that would be, you know, the relationship where I can call them up or text message these senators and say, let's make this work.
00:25:56.000I started this timeline for this plan over eight, nine months ago, including with Senator Lippincott, who's the one that drafted the bill.
00:26:04.000I asked him to be able to prioritize it so it could be pulled instantly out of committee and not have to go through that.
00:26:09.000He just wasn't able to do that this year.
00:26:11.000And I understand that he's got many other voices that are with him.
00:26:15.000But I even went to the RNC last year, Charlie.
00:26:18.000I had a meeting with Rona McDaniel and said, I think this is something that's going to happen.
00:26:22.000I think this is something that can happen, but I need outside help.
00:26:26.000And I was basically told that it wasn't much of importance.
00:26:30.000And so when you start to look at how I was going to influence this, I continued to use the volume of people.
00:26:36.000And now with what happened over the last 24 hours and your efforts, and as you were talking with Steve Bannon today, that effort of activating the grassroots have multiplied this a million fold.
00:26:47.000I could never have imagined this happening.
00:26:53.000Just under the prior RNC leadership who's gone, they said that another electoral vote for Republicans wasn't a big deal.
00:27:01.000It was indicated that they couldn't do much from their level and they really couldn't support me more than just she might talk with one or two elected officials here and see if there was any interest in it.
00:27:17.000That's why I attended your RNC meeting before the last RNC meeting because, and I speak very, very highly of the fact that we are looking at relational organizing.
00:27:26.000I do a coffee with chairman newsletter every week.
00:27:29.000And the fact that Nebraska has been archaic in the idea of connecting to the people at the door.
00:27:34.000And that's really where I think the influence is changing in Nebraska.
00:27:37.000You no longer have one person or two people bringing all in multi-millions of dollars, campaign consultants deciding what Republican values are.
00:27:46.000You have the people with a greater voice.
00:27:48.000And this is key in this populous world that we're living in, where people are driven to be a part of a difference.
00:27:54.000They don't want kingmakers, they want to be difference makers.
00:27:57.000You want to know the way that you get them more involved?
00:28:01.000Give them the opportunity, provide them resources, provide them education.
00:28:05.000We did a parliamentarian training class, and we had people from outside the state, North Dakota, come and zoom in to the parliamentarian class.
00:28:12.000Because the more educated the grassroots are, the more empowered they are to do this through the process.
00:28:18.000And so, our concept here is to honor the Constitution and defend the platform.
00:28:23.000And we are looking at getting constitutional and platform Republican CPRs because CPRs will revive this party.
00:29:11.000I've been having conversations for the last eight months trying to prepare for some scenario such as this to happen, as I indicated with the RNC, with multiple people at the RNC, because I also thought if it did come up, it would make national news.
00:29:25.000I don't want Nebraska to be the flyover state.
00:29:26.000The whole reason that we had Kerry Lake here at the beginning of this year is because I wanted to get as close as we could to the presidential nomination.
00:29:33.000Nebraska's primary doesn't happen until May 14th.
00:29:36.000And I think Nebraskans want to be a part of the equation.
00:29:38.000They want to be a part of being difference makers.
00:29:41.000I've got a very strong grassroots group here.
00:30:00.000We went from having 2,000 county convention delegates two years ago to over 4,000 this year across our 93 counties because people are ready to be involved.
00:30:09.000Now, here's the thing: at some point, somewhere when your voice starts to get active here, there has to be a coalescing.
00:30:16.000There has to be the unity that people speak of, but it has to be around our values and not candidates or incumbents.
00:30:22.000And that's a challenge that's happening right now in our party.
00:30:25.000If an incumbent is not endorsed, if we start to look at America first individuals, such as Dan Fry or John Glenn Weaver or John Walls, if that happens, then we might get a stagnation, a break of the relationships when it comes to our ability to unify on the values.
00:32:11.000We have the right leaders at the unicameral with the right guy.
00:32:13.000So, if that's the case, if that's the right case, Eric, then there should be nothing left that is getting in the way.
00:32:18.000We have Donald Trump's support, the nominee's support, we have your support, the governor's support.
00:32:23.000What we're going to do is we're going to continue to have those respectful conversations and we're going to move through the parliamentarian, the procedural process, and we're going to see where this ends up.
00:32:31.000And we're going to find out whether or not our Republican senators believe that they can be difference makers as well.
00:32:40.000And that's what you're going to see happen.