00:00:01.000Today in the Charlie Kirk Show, Eric Metaxas, a Christian, and James Lindsay, an agnostic, on stage with me talking about wokeism and the need for the church to rise up live from Turning Point USA's America Fest.
00:00:15.000I encourage you to get involved with Turning Point USA today at tpusa.com.
00:00:46.000His spirit, his love of this country, he's done an amazing job building one of the most powerful youth organizations ever created, Turning Point USA.
00:00:55.000We will not embrace the ideas that have destroyed countries, destroyed lives, and we are going to fight for freedom on campuses across the country.
00:01:55.000It means learning to believe that the world is made out of dehumanizing forms like racism and sexism and classism and ableism and disablism and fatphobia.
00:02:06.000And that it's made out of domesticating modes like education, culture, media, et cetera, that grind you into believing that this is how it's supposed to be.
00:02:15.000And you are awakened to this so that you can denounce it at every turn to destroy the world that exists so that a more perfect world might be born in its ashes.
00:02:26.000So a more perfect world might be born if you abolish all of those things.
00:02:31.000Yeah, you got to get the existing society out of the way, Charlie, in order to have room for the utopia.
00:03:22.000It is a project to try to kill God, to destroy God, to create a tower of Babel, to climb into the heavens of our own accord without his help.
00:03:36.000And when we get up there, we can murder him and we can be God.
00:03:40.000That is what Satan promised in the garden.
00:03:43.000You see it all through history, certainly in the French Revolution and with the advent of Marxism and into the last century and into this century.
00:03:54.000But we've never seen it as clearly as we're now seeing it.
00:03:58.000They used to talk about it as this, it's this wonderful utopianist scheme.
00:04:02.000You know, in 1968, it was flower power.
00:04:05.000Now we see the vileness and the evil of it on display.
00:04:10.000It is at war with everything that is good and beautiful and true.
00:04:36.000The reason I wrote my book, Letter to the American Church, was because I saw horrific, undeniable parallels between the silence of the church in Germany on the lead up to Hitler taking power with the silence of the American church today with globalist, atheist, Marxist authoritarians trying to take power.
00:05:18.000And the Nazis said, go ahead, preach your little toothless, idiotic gospel.
00:05:23.000And when you leave that building on Sunday morning, you bow to the secular authority of the state.
00:05:30.000That is exactly what they say to people who go to the official churches in China today.
00:05:34.000And that's what they're trying to do here.
00:05:36.000And the horror, and this is a horror, is that many American church leaders have bought these lies and are unaware that they are ushering in satanic evil on par with what the silence of the German church ushered in in the 30s.
00:05:53.000And that's why my book is written as a warning to the American church to say, I know that there are good people that are getting this wrong.
00:06:01.000Those who can still hear these things, I wrote the book for them by God's grace.
00:06:06.000If enough people will understand this and understand that we have an obligation before God to live out our faith, not to talk about it, not to say I believe it, but to live it out and to speak against evil.
00:06:18.000If you're not doing that, it proves you have no faith, which if you think you're saved by faith, then you should be very scared by that.
00:06:27.000James, you are agnostic, and yet you are nodding along with Eric saying that this is demonic and they want to replace God.
00:06:44.000A lot of people don't bother to read Karl Marx, and most Marxists don't seem to have bothered to read Karl Marx.
00:06:49.000Karl Marx believed that man begets himself and it's his job to find that out about himself and to complete himself.
00:06:58.000And when man completes himself, guess how you're going to be?
00:07:02.000So you're going to cast down anything like religion.
00:07:04.000He says the criticism of everything begins with the criticism of religion.
00:07:08.000This is the famous opium of the masses rant from 1844.
00:07:12.000He says, what you're going to do is you're going to become aware that you are incomplete and that you can complete yourself through man's processes, through social processes, through becoming aware of the true nature of reality, which, P.S., he's the only one who knows what it is.
00:07:26.000And then we're going to live in the kingdom.
00:07:28.000We go forward to a Marxist from the 1960s or 1950s in this case, Herbert Marcuse.
00:07:33.000He writes an Eris in Civilization explicitly, his book about grooming.
00:07:40.000He writes in this book, besides that higher culture is found through the love of boys, which is in there, page 211.
00:07:47.000He also writes in that book that the way back into the Garden of Eden is by taking a second bite from the fruit of the tree of knowledge.
00:07:54.000So I agree with my friend Eric, despite my not knowing what his spiritual words mean in fullness.
00:08:00.000And James, this entire agenda is to not, I mean, we have to focus on the metaphysical part of it, but let's focus on what you just kind of really went through quickly.
00:08:12.000Grooming, war on children, queer theory.
00:08:16.000This is a very real now threat that is widespread in our schools.
00:08:22.000What's happening in the schools is positively evil.
00:08:25.000You just heard from Matt Walsh, we all heard how evil it is.
00:08:28.000We all see how evil it is because we're not necessarily evil people.
00:08:31.000And it's obvious to not evil people that messing with children, sterilizing children, putting them through double mastectomies, grooming them, hiding it from their parents, socially transitioning them, calling it gender-affirming care is all evil.
00:08:43.000I said on this stage a year ago, queer theory opens the gates to hell.
00:08:47.000You know what I was talking about now, don't you?
00:08:51.000So this queer theory stuff, though, all ties back in.
00:08:54.000For Marxists, it destroys the individual.
00:08:57.000It severs you from knowing who you are.
00:08:59.000So you become groomable into a political ideology.
00:09:02.000It severs you from your family, which might pull you back out of the cult.
00:09:06.000It severs you from your faith, which is going to look obsolete.
00:09:10.000It severs you from your culture, which looks like it's old and needs to be destroyed, just like how Mao Zedong said, go out and destroy the four olds, including old culture, old ways of thinking, in order to bring in the new reborn era.
00:09:23.000And so this is all exactly what you're saying, all exactly what you're afraid of, Charlie.
00:10:07.000In other words, we could have talked about this in political terms, in all kinds of terms in the past, but the evil has become more evil, more pronounced.
00:10:16.000That's to me the joy of the advent of Donald Trump.
00:10:20.000He flushed the birds out, to use another Tucker reference.
00:10:24.000And we now see what was there all along.
00:10:28.000And so all kinds of people, whether it's James or Tucker, who would not ordinarily see things along a spiritual spectrum, you really can't help but see it.
00:10:40.000And if you see it along a spiritual spectrum, that's when you say, okay, God calls his church, those who dare to call themselves Christian.
00:10:50.000If you don't call yourself Christian, you're out.
00:10:52.000God is saying to the people who dare say, I'm a Christian, I believe Jesus died on the cross for me and rose from the dead, defeated death.
00:11:01.000Okay, now you need to live that, or I know you don't believe it.
00:11:05.000And the evil that is coming into our culture now, let's face it, this is God's judgment on the church.
00:11:13.000If the world goes to hell, it is those who claim to believe in Jesus who did nothing and said nothing.
00:11:19.000There are plenty of pastors and Christian leaders that are being silent in the face of evil.
00:11:24.000Their silence is absolutely no different than the silence of the Germans and the rise of the Nazis.
00:11:30.000But their excuses are also exactly the same excuses.
00:11:35.000So in the book letter to the American Church, I kind of explain why they believe these lies and these excuses and why Bonhoeffer spoke against them and tried to clarify that you're getting this wrong.
00:11:47.000And if you don't get this right immediately, we're in big trouble.
00:11:51.000Clearly, they waited and waited, and they waited just too long.
00:11:55.000And when many of them woke up, they realized we have no voice, we have no power, the church has been crushed, and the forces of evil have won.
00:12:04.000That will happen in the United States if the American church does not wake up.
00:12:09.000So, and James, is that an over-exaggeration?
00:12:25.000There is one pastor here that went to the media and said, look, I think that what Turning Point USA is doing is wrong and TP USA faith because we should have racial reconciliation and that Jesus would have done this and that we should have white privilege seminars and that we need to love, you know, the disadvantaged and all of these things.
00:12:47.000James, what will a country or the church or the civilization look like if we embrace these ideas?
00:13:13.000And when we talk about the infestation or the weakness or whatever other pieces, because both are happening, it's not just that we have naive pastors, naive theologians.
00:14:20.000And, you know, for those people, and there are many in the church who've bought this lie that we're not supposed to be political.
00:14:27.000And then there are other people that just defeat us and they say, well, America has run its course.
00:14:31.000Charlie, you mentioned this yesterday in your talk.
00:14:34.000The idea that empires have an arc of about 250 years and we're just, ladies and gentlemen, this is not an empire, okay?
00:14:43.000Lincoln called us God's almost chosen people.
00:14:47.000God chose this nation in a way that he has never chosen another nation to be a beacon of freedom for the whole world.
00:14:58.000So when you compare us to any other empire or whatever, it doesn't work.
00:15:05.000There never has been a nation founded on God's principles whose founding documents reference God and say that he is the one that gives us our rights.
00:15:16.000So the idea that, well, there's nothing we can do, particularly if the church does nothing, we will go to hell very, very swiftly.
00:16:10.000They're giving their kids TikTok, which, by the way, if you love your child, you should make sure they never access TikTok.
00:16:16.000There is no argument to have that poison.
00:16:22.000And if your child has TikTok, they'll be more likely to commit suicide, have depression, anxiety, be on psychiatric medication, or become trans.
00:16:36.000All this trans stuff, just before we get to the practical, really, I know we're short on time, but I want to be very clear.
00:16:40.000When I said Hermetic earlier, the goal in the Hermetic faith as an old ancient esoteric occult, whatever you want to call it, religion, is in fact to remember first that you are the third person of the Godhead, you are God, and that you are to ascend to the realm of the self-begotten.
00:18:32.000And in five years, everybody going through these schools right now comes out broken, messed up, and does it again with even less ability to fight back.
00:20:15.000But I want to say, if you want to know how bad things are, when I wrote my book letter to the American church, I submitted to the publisher.
00:20:22.000That day I got a book in the mail from Zondervan, a Christian publisher.
00:20:26.000The book was written by Charles Stanley, huge mega church pastor in Atlanta.
00:20:32.000And the book effectively argued precisely the opposite of everything I say in my book, using scripture verses and misunderstanding of history and basically advocating that the church avoid the culture wars, avoid getting involved in these things.
00:20:48.000Just stick to the gospel, you know, just like the Chinese communists want you to just stick to the gospel.
00:20:53.000And I read the book because I felt obliged to understand how somebody could think this.
00:21:05.000There was a big, happy blurb from Jim Daly, the head of Focus on the Family.
00:21:12.000And I want to say, if you've ever given money to Focus on the Family, you need to write a letter to Jim Daly and help him to understand he's a good man.
00:21:24.000There are many good men and women getting this wrong.
00:21:27.000They need to understand that there will be consequences if you get this wrong.
00:21:32.000And we need to understand it is that bad that someone that we would think of shares our values is saying, yeah, I'm all on board with silence in the face of evil.
00:21:41.000Let's just stick to our little gospel.
00:21:45.000It has led us to the horror where we find ourselves today.
00:21:49.000And unless we repent, what happened in Germany in the 30s will be nothing compared to what will happen because of the silence of the American church.
00:22:03.000It's so incredibly important that you get involved, that you do something, that you figure out what you can do, and you do it.
00:22:11.000Protecting your kids, I just pleaded with you.
00:23:31.000If 11,000 people over the course of four days go back to 50 states and become super activists, run for school board, run for state legislature, start a new school, start a new church, pressure an elder board, start a social media channel, pray and fast for your nation, whatever it is.
00:24:43.000If you are not living out your faith self-sacrificially, if you are behaving as though you're afraid of death, you're afraid of getting canceled.
00:24:52.000God knows and the devil knows you don't believe what you claim to believe.
00:24:57.000So the question is: we have a moment in history now, we get to live out our faith.
00:25:04.000If you don't live out your faith, you're either calling God a liar or you are just pretending there's some safe third religious way.
00:25:13.000I can just be quiet and do what I want to do.
00:25:17.000God has given us a privilege, folks, that live in a moment in history right now where what you do matters.
00:25:24.000And if you have very little money and you give a dollar, God will bless that dollar infinitely because we're talking about God and it's not about money.