The Charlie Kirk Show - May 08, 2023


The Great American Gaslight—White Supremacist Hispanics, Beloved Subway Schizos & Closed Border Invasions with Mark W. Smith

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border policies gaslighting
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Charlie Kirk
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Mark W. Smith
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Mark W. Smith Joe Biden Good Ranchers Donald Trump Hack Alejandro Mayorkis Producer Andrew Joe Scarborough Kyrsten Sinema Sam Harris Jordan Neely Amy Coney Barrett Thomas Jefferson Brett Kavanaugh Clarence Thomas Bill Malusian Roland Martin Neil Gorsuch Greg Abbott Neil Gorsett Jordan Ely and 7 more
Maintaining Your Faith While Culture Crumbles — LIVE with Barry Meguiar Debunking America's Over-Incarceration Myth with Barry Latzer

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This week on The Charlie Kirk Show, we talk about the New York City subway shooting, the Texas Mall Shooter, the end of Title 42, and the invasion happening on our southern border. Plus, we bring in Mark Smith to talk about gun control.

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00:00:00.000 Hey everybody, welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show.
00:00:02.000 This is Andrew Colvett, executive producer of the Charlie Kirk Show, filling in, also known as Producer Andrew, and Relief Factor fan.
00:00:10.000 But we had a packed show.
00:00:11.000 Lots going on in this country, especially coming off the weekend.
00:00:15.000 We go through it all.
00:00:16.000 We talk about what's happening in New York City with Jordan Neely.
00:00:19.000 We talk about the Texas mall shooter.
00:00:21.000 We talk about the end of Title 42 and the invasion happening on our southern border.
00:00:26.000 And then, guess what?
00:00:27.000 We bring in Mark Smith to talk about the gun debate and how this inevitably will always come back to the debate around guns and the left trying to strip us of our Second Amendment, our foundational rights as Americans, our God-given rights as Americans.
00:00:44.000 Every time there's a crisis, and they will use any excuse to do so.
00:00:47.000 We talk about all that and more.
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00:01:35.000 Hey, everybody, welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show.
00:01:37.000 This is Andrew Colvett, otherwise known as producer Andrew and Relief Factor fan, filling in for the one and only Charlie Kirk.
00:01:44.000 He's going to be taking this week to get some rest and relaxation, gearing up for what will prove to be a tremendously grueling, exhausting year as we move into the summer, into the fall.
00:01:58.000 I've seen the calendar.
00:02:00.000 It's tremendous.
00:02:01.000 So I am all in support of Charlie getting some rest and relaxation.
00:02:04.000 He needs to decompress.
00:02:06.000 Also, I will tell you: if any there are any massive stories, let's say a Trump indictment or even maybe a Hunter indictment on Wednesday, which we're going to talk about in just a second, I have it on good authority that he will be back in.
00:02:20.000 But nevertheless, we have a busy and packed show, lots of guests coming at you, and a ton of information to go over.
00:02:27.000 We got reparations in California.
00:02:29.000 We've got this New York City subway story with Jordan Neely, the gaslighting, I call it the gaslighting of the American people underway.
00:02:37.000 We've got the Texas mall shooting in Allen, Texas, and we've got this ABC WAPO polling that is just absolutely dismal.
00:02:46.000 It is a historic, and when I say that, I'm not using hyperbole here.
00:02:51.000 It is a historic dumpster fire of a poll out for Joe Biden.
00:02:57.000 And then, of course, we have Title 42 coming to an end on Thursday.
00:03:01.000 We have 700,000 illegals. 0.79
00:03:05.000 We call them illegals on this show, folks.
00:03:07.000 Everybody wants to call them economic migrants.
00:03:09.000 They want to use all these euphemisms. 0.98
00:03:11.000 Listen, I'm sure some of them are great people, but as we've seen in Texas, let's just call a spade a spade.
00:03:18.000 They're not sending their best, folks.
00:03:20.000 And yes, we do have compassion for people that are fleeing, certainly, but let's be very clear about what's going on here.
00:03:27.000 This is incentivizing a mass migration of what even Secretary Mayorkis, head of the DHS, has called the largest migration in the Western Hemisphere since World War II.
00:03:39.000 I mean, it's absolutely out of control.
00:03:42.000 We're already, and I'll play this tape in just a second.
00:03:44.000 We're already being told everything's at capacity.
00:03:47.000 I mean, we've been being invaded.
00:03:49.000 We call it a soft invasion, a cold invasion since Joe Biden took office.
00:03:54.000 That much is clear.
00:03:55.000 And what we're about to see unfold at the southern border is a humanitarian catastrophe of epic proportions.
00:04:03.000 And it's not funny.
00:04:05.000 It's not, there's nothing, there's no upside.
00:04:08.000 It simply is the fact.
00:04:10.000 And it's a self-inflicted wound.
00:04:11.000 You can see that right now if you're watching some of the B-roll from the border.
00:04:16.000 Joe Biden is sending 1,500 troops to the border to basically push paperwork.
00:04:22.000 They're not allowed to interact with migrants.
00:04:24.000 They're not allowed to do any of the actual work that you might associate with border patrol activities.
00:04:31.000 They are just there, I guess, as a PR ploy.
00:04:35.000 And they're being brought in from South Carolina all the way to El Paso.
00:04:39.000 1,500 is not enough to do anything.
00:04:41.000 If you might remember, Texas had about 10,000 earlier.
00:04:45.000 And again, 1,500 is basically a PR move.
00:04:49.000 Nothing's going to happen with that.
00:04:51.000 And they're not even on the border.
00:04:52.000 They're stationed miles away from the border.
00:04:54.000 So let's play some tape here.
00:04:56.000 I want to start with the Texas invasion because it's, I think the theme today is the gaslighting of the American people. 0.97
00:05:05.000 You've got a white supremacist Hispanic shooter.
00:05:08.000 You've got a beloved subway performer in Jordan Ely who had 42 prior arrests, including hitting a 64-year-old grandma and attempted kidnapping of a seven-year-old. 0.76
00:05:18.000 And then you've got our border is closed, myorcas, even though it is wide open and we all know it is wide open.
00:05:25.000 Now, let's play some sound here.
00:05:28.000 Let's go to cut one.
00:05:29.000 This is, we're broadcasting live out of Phoenix, Arizona.
00:05:32.000 This is a little close to home.
00:05:33.000 This is Kirsten Cinema on how the DHS has not communicated properly with the state of Arizona.
00:05:40.000 Now, Arizona, New Mexico, California, Texas, they are going to receive the brunt of this invasion.
00:05:46.000 So her words are very important here.
00:05:47.000 Play cut one.
00:05:49.000 Just today, I was on the phone with the sheriff of Cochise County.
00:05:55.000 He has gotten no information from the Department of Homeland Security or the federal government about what the flow is going to look like, about what they can expect for processing in terms of how long it takes to process migrants.
00:06:06.000 He's gotten no information, neither have I, about how many buses there will be available to transport migrants.
00:06:12.000 Either the administration has that information and they're choosing not to share it, which is a problem since we're the ones who are going to deal with the crisis, or they don't have it.
00:06:21.000 And that's even more concerning because how do you prepare for an inflow of migrants when you don't know what you're going to expect?
00:06:29.000 Now, that is Democrat turned independent senator from the state of Arizona, Kirsten Cinema.
00:06:35.000 She goes on to say in cut nine that the Biden administration has had two years to prepare for this and they did not do so.
00:06:43.000 Play cut nine.
00:06:44.000 The Biden administration had two years to prepare for this and did not do so.
00:06:49.000 And our state is going to bear the brunt.
00:06:51.000 And migrants will be in crisis as soon as next week.
00:06:55.000 It will be a humanitarian crisis because we are not prepared.
00:06:58.000 We are not prepared, but that's not what DHS Secretary Hack Alejandro Mayorkis said on CBS.
00:07:05.000 He's saying that, guess what?
00:07:07.000 You know, we are prepared.
00:07:10.000 We've got all these legal pathways for these people.
00:07:12.000 They can use apps.
00:07:13.000 They're just going to get on an app.
00:07:15.000 Play cut eight.
00:07:17.000 But we also have additional lawful pathways that already have existed for people to access.
00:07:23.000 The phone apps.
00:07:25.000 Yes, the parole program for Cubans, Haitians, Nicaraguans, and Venezuelans.
00:07:30.000 We are expanding our family reunification programs.
00:07:34.000 Yeah, see, that's their messaging.
00:07:36.000 Everything has to be humane.
00:07:37.000 So remember, let's play the tape back here.
00:07:41.000 Now, I'm not actually going to play tape, but let's put the timeline together here.
00:07:46.000 We had the most secure border in our history, at least modern history, under President Trump.
00:07:51.000 Joe Biden comes in, dismantles everything.
00:07:53.000 Remain in Mexico, now Title 42.
00:07:57.000 This is, we had 1.7, I believe, in 2021 migrants crossed the border. 0.92
00:08:02.000 We had 2.3, almost 2.4 in 2022.
00:08:06.000 And now already, we're in the beginning of May, and we already have about 1.3 million that have crossed just so far.
00:08:14.000 And we have 700,000 that are about to mob the border on Thursday.
00:08:18.000 When this Title 42, the COVID era rule from the Trump administration that was, that the Biden administration has been trying to revoke since they got into office, but the courts have blocked.
00:08:30.000 Well, that's no longer the case.
00:08:32.000 It is now going to be revoked on Thursday.
00:08:35.000 We have 700,000 all at once.
00:08:38.000 The footage is just horrible.
00:08:40.000 Bill Melusian from Fox News was providing us with some aerial coverage of this.
00:08:47.000 I believe it's cut 200.
00:08:51.000 Let me just put this in perspective.
00:08:54.000 Cut 25 is another image.
00:08:56.000 Now, 700,000 people, 700,000 people is a tremendous amount of people.
00:09:04.000 It's bigger than the city I live in.
00:09:07.000 It is probably about the size of San Francisco, actual San Francisco proper, not surrounding areas, but actually the city.
00:09:14.000 I mean, just look at those.
00:09:15.000 Those are seven stadiums that all hold 100,000 people.
00:09:20.000 And that's just to start kind of helping you to wrap your mind around just what a sea of humanity is about to pour over the southern border.
00:09:31.000 And what we're being told is, again, by folks like Secretary Mayorkis, that this, everything's secure.
00:09:40.000 The border is perfectly secure.
00:09:42.000 They have apps that you can get family reunification.
00:09:44.000 Folks, I want to remind you: 85,000 unaccompanied minors have been lost in the system.
00:09:52.000 85,000 unaccompanied miners have been lost in the system.
00:09:58.000 We can't find them.
00:09:59.000 They just went into the interior.
00:10:01.000 They said they had an aunt or an uncle living in Washington or Minnesota or Iowa, and they just poof, vanished out of the system.
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00:11:56.000 Is our border open?
00:11:59.000 You know, I keep hearing different things.
00:12:01.000 Play cut 29, Secretary Mayorkis.
00:12:04.000 The border is not open.
00:12:06.000 It has not been open, and it will not be open subsequent to May 11th. 0.91
00:12:13.000 Ah, it won't be open, except for those 700,000 illegals that want to rush the border. 0.57
00:12:20.000 Now, this is, again, I said this before. 0.94
00:12:23.000 The theme of today's show is the utter, absolute, ridiculous gaslighting of the American people by the left. 0.94
00:12:30.000 I hate to say it. 0.94
00:12:31.000 Our border is wide open.
00:12:33.000 Everybody knows it. 1.00
00:12:35.000 That's why they're coming in record numbers.
00:12:37.000 The Biden administration, by virtue of their lax border policies, has created a powder keg, an incentive strategy, basically luring these people in here.
00:12:49.000 There is clip after clip of migrants, illegals, that are saying, listen, we know Joe Biden is going to let us in.
00:12:57.000 That's why we're coming.
00:12:58.000 They're wearing Biden for president shirts.
00:13:01.000 This is destructive.
00:13:03.000 It's intentional.
00:13:05.000 And it's absolutely horrendous.
00:13:07.000 And it's a disrespect to our entire nation, folks.
00:13:09.000 This is probably, and Charlie will tell you, this is probably one of my top three issues all the time, the border.
00:13:16.000 I've watched as the country has been transformed over my lifetime because of our lax immigration policies, our failure to enforce basic, common sense border security.
00:13:29.000 Trump, we got close.
00:13:31.000 He needed four more years to get the job done.
00:13:34.000 The wall was getting constructed. 1.00
00:13:35.000 Remain in Mexico was tremendously effective.
00:13:39.000 There was a deal with the Northern Triangle countries that were basically he, here's what Trump did.
00:13:45.000 And this is, of course, not what Biden's doing or borders are, Kamala Harris, is hanging our trade, the weight and the strength of our trading partnership with these countries over their head and saying, you will not get another dime.
00:14:02.000 You will not get another dollar.
00:14:04.000 You will be tariffed and taxed into oblivion if you do not stop these people from coming.
00:14:09.000 And guess what?
00:14:10.000 They stopped.
00:14:11.000 And then as soon as you say, oh, we have to do the humane thing, this is what happens.
00:14:15.000 So let's talk about gaslighting, okay?
00:14:20.000 Let's just play cut four.
00:14:21.000 This is California rep Pete Aguilar trying to gaslight you, the American public.
00:14:27.000 We need an orderly process.
00:14:29.000 I agree with you, Joe.
00:14:30.000 That's absolutely something that we need to do.
00:14:33.000 What House Democrats want to also make sure that we focus on are these root causes of migration.
00:14:38.000 You know, people are fleeing in difficult and dangerous conditions.
00:14:41.000 They're fleeing economic issues.
00:14:43.000 They're fleeing because of climate change.
00:14:46.000 Oh, gosh.
00:14:47.000 They're fleeing because of climate change.
00:14:49.000 I dare you, Mr. Aguilar, to go down to the border and ask how many of those 700,000 illegals that are about to rush over the border are coming because of climate change.
00:14:58.000 Absolute joke.
00:15:00.000 Okay, this is like the liberal, progressive, Marxist version of like neocon sickness. 0.97
00:15:10.000 It's a brain sickness.
00:15:12.000 The neocons thought they could go into Iraq or Afghanistan and transform those countries, and it only took 20 years to figure out that you couldn't.
00:15:18.000 Meanwhile, we've got an absolute urgent right now crisis on the border, and these guys are still talking about dealing with root causes.
00:15:27.000 You cannot play God with countries that don't want to be run or governed or orderly.
00:15:33.000 It does not matter what the United States of America does.
00:15:36.000 All it takes is looking at El Salvador.
00:15:39.000 El Salvador was not being run very well.
00:15:42.000 Let's just say that.
00:15:44.000 And then you get a new president in who institutes law and order, deals with the negative headlines the world over, calling him a tyrant and saying that he's stripping all these criminals of their civil rights.
00:15:54.000 Well, guess what?
00:15:55.000 Murders are down almost 90% in El Salvador.
00:15:57.000 That's a country that you can work with.
00:15:59.000 The Northern Triangle countries are being managed poorly, poor economics, poor rule of law. 0.69
00:16:07.000 The cultures are not ready for us to deal with the root causes in many instances.
00:16:11.000 And yes, I feel terrible for some of these people that are living in absolute destitute situations.
00:16:16.000 I completely understand that.
00:16:18.000 I'm all ears.
00:16:19.000 But to think that we are going to just turn a blind eye to the border and say, hey, we're going to deal with these root causes.
00:16:24.000 And guess what?
00:16:25.000 Kamala Harris is going to be the one to deal with it is an absolute joke. 1.00
00:16:28.000 And it's an insult to your intelligence, you and the audience. 0.89
00:16:31.000 But of course it is.
00:16:32.000 I think I got enough time for this.
00:16:33.000 This is Joe Scarborough calling him out.
00:16:35.000 Play cut five.
00:16:37.000 But we've been saying this for three, four, five, ten, fifteen years.
00:16:42.000 There is a massive crisis at the southern border right now.
00:16:45.000 I'm not telling you anything you don't know, but it's only getting worse.
00:16:51.000 And it's going to continue to get worse over the next two, three, four, five years unless we do something now.
00:16:58.000 So.
00:16:59.000 Guess what, folks?
00:17:00.000 Joe Scarborough, being honest for once, got to call it out every so often.
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00:17:58.000 I want to play this cut.
00:18:01.000 Okay, let me set the stage here.
00:18:04.000 Terrible tragedy happened in Texas, in Allen, Texas over the weekend.
00:18:10.000 Absolutely horrific.
00:18:11.000 Eight people dead, seven wounded, three critically.
00:18:14.000 The gunman is also dead.
00:18:16.000 He was killed by a brave police officer that was actually at the mall for a completely separate reason.
00:18:22.000 He was on a separate call and he was there to respond.
00:18:25.000 Thank God he delivered the fatal shot to this gunman.
00:18:30.000 Now, here's the big controversy.
00:18:32.000 And then there's actually two controversies.
00:18:34.000 So he had an AR-style weapon is what they're saying, an AR-15 style weapon.
00:18:39.000 It is their gun of choice.
00:18:40.000 Now, folks, the gaslighting of America is real.
00:18:44.000 It continues, whether they're talking about an open border that is actually closed or they're talking about gun deaths.
00:18:51.000 Now, you're going to see protests.
00:18:53.000 You're going to see the moms against, you know, this issue or that issue.
00:18:57.000 Now, I believe their feelings, their emotions are real.
00:19:01.000 I'm not trying to discount the horror that some families have lived through.
00:19:05.000 But if you stacked up all of the gun deaths in America from the inner city that have been perpetrated by black-on-black crime, gang-related crime with handguns or shotguns that are used at close range versus AR-style military rifle, military grade, whatever euphemism they like to use and throw in there. 0.51
00:19:26.000 And by the way, they don't understand the definitions of guns.
00:19:29.000 And they always get this wrong.
00:19:30.000 They just think assault rifle.
00:19:32.000 Nobody should have an assault rifle and they can't define it.
00:19:35.000 If you stacked up all the handgun deaths in America in our inner cities against shootings like the horrible thing that happened in Allen, Texas, that inner city shootings with handguns would dwarf by many, many magnitudes.
00:19:50.000 And we're going to actually put that data together because I want it.
00:19:53.000 And we've looked it up before.
00:19:54.000 I'm just not super current on it right now, but I know for a fact it would blow your mind.
00:20:00.000 Now, do they talk about that?
00:20:02.000 Do they talk about these handgun deaths?
00:20:07.000 You know, I don't think they do.
00:20:08.000 And actually, I'm told that we have Mark now on the line.
00:20:11.000 Let's go ahead and bring Mark Smith in.
00:20:13.000 He is the author of the new fantastic book, Disarmed.
00:20:17.000 And it's actually sort of related to Ukraine, but it's completely relevant to what we're talking about.
00:20:22.000 What the Ukraine War Teaches Americans about the right to bear arms with Mark Smith.
00:20:27.000 Mark, welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show.
00:20:29.000 Thank you for joining.
00:20:29.000 Hey, thanks for having me on today.
00:20:31.000 Well, you know, we had a little tech snafu, it sounds like there, and I was getting on a roll there.
00:20:36.000 So I apologize for getting in a little late here.
00:20:38.000 But, Mark, I'm so glad that you were available today because, you know, this gun issue with every one of these shootings that we see happen, especially in these public places, it just, the left goes crazy.
00:20:52.000 Now, we're all sad about the tragedy in Allen, Texas, but, you know, there is this issue about an armed citizenry that our founders understood very, very well, especially given the context of their historical moment.
00:21:07.000 Make the case to us why the founders were so wise in the way that they set up the Constitution and the Second Amendment, the Bill of Rights, and make the case to the American, the people watching and listening why we need to protect this sacred right.
00:21:23.000 Well, the founding fathers, when they constructed the Constitution and the Second Amendment's right to keep and bear arms, they read every single thing on the planet to give them guidance about how to best create a government that would not only govern effectively, but most importantly, would protect the freedoms and individual rights of the American citizens because they were very concerned that they didn't want another king or some sovereign that would take away rights in the name of public safety or, you know, to just take over because of control.
00:21:52.000 So the founding fathers codified the right to bear arms, which is a pre-existing right, right?
00:21:57.000 The Second Amendment, right to keep and bear arms, does not create anything.
00:22:01.000 It simply memorializes a preexisting right to self-defense, a preexisting right to keep and bear arms.
00:22:08.000 Now, we know that arms is the best way to protect humans, human lives, and human freedom away from evil.
00:22:17.000 Evil has been with us since Cain killed Abel.
00:22:20.000 It's not the guns, it's the humans.
00:22:22.000 Remember, the founding fathers, when they talked about the adoption of the Constitution, specifically said that if men were angels, there would be no need for government.
00:22:33.000 The point of government is to protect our fundamental human rights, including against those who are criminals and evildoers.
00:22:39.000 Now, there's a very important philosopher that the founding fathers look to extensively that doesn't get nearly enough credit.
00:22:46.000 And I've written extensively about this Italian Enlightenment philosopher by the name of Cesar Beccaria.
00:22:52.000 He literally wrote, he literally wrote in his book that the Founding Fathers read and Thomas Jefferson and John Adams wrote down that any kind of gun control or arms control does absolutely nothing to stop criminals and bad people from doing bad things to good people.
00:23:08.000 It only makes it easier to target good people in the law abiding.
00:23:13.000 That was Cesar Beccaria, a philosopher who literally wrote what I just said before the adoption of the Second Amendment.
00:23:20.000 It's not an NRA slogan from the 21st century.
00:23:22.000 It's actually a philosopher from the 18th.
00:23:25.000 And the Founding Fathers understood this when they wrote the Second Amendment.
00:23:27.000 And of course, we know from our lived experience today that the best way to thwart evildoers is with guns, which is why we protect our royal elites at the coronation with guns.
00:23:39.000 We protect our political elites like Joe Biden with guns.
00:23:42.000 We protect Times Square with police officers carrying AR-15 style firearms.
00:23:47.000 We protect our financial elites with guns and so on and so on.
00:23:50.000 The only people the left doesn't want protected with guns are the ordinary American citizen because they don't want us to be citizens.
00:23:56.000 They really want us to be serfs or subjects at the end of the day.
00:23:59.000 Yeah, that's really well said, Mark.
00:24:00.000 And I didn't do your intro justice here.
00:24:03.000 You know, you're also a constitutional attorney.
00:24:05.000 You're a member of the U.S. Supreme Court bar and a New York Times best-selling author, among all those things.
00:24:10.000 And, you know, your bona fides really shine through when you're talking about this issue.
00:24:15.000 I'm going to play a clip here from one of the largest, biggest blowhards on planet Earth, Roland Martin, who couldn't keep a job at CNN.
00:24:24.000 And we could discuss that at another time.
00:24:26.000 But he's just, he's just awful.
00:24:28.000 I mean, I hate to, you know, I'm not trying to be mean here. 0.99
00:24:30.000 He's just awful.
00:24:31.000 But listen, he's echoing here a sentiment, especially after each one of these shootings, especially the school shootings.
00:24:39.000 These mall shootings are horrible.
00:24:41.000 I totally.
00:24:43.000 But it is, this is a potential weakness.
00:24:47.000 This is a potential for conservatives heading into future elections.
00:24:51.000 This gun issue.
00:24:52.000 Let's just have you respond to it here.
00:24:54.000 Play cut two.
00:24:56.000 The only way to change any of this is to completely wipe out the Republican Party.
00:25:02.000 Somebody has to say it. 1.00
00:25:03.000 Greg Abbott, the governor, is sick and demented. 0.96
00:25:06.000 He has literally done nothing because they are so in love with guns and so in love with the Second Amendment crowd that they do not care to see bodies piled up on the sidewalk. 0.98
00:25:19.000 All right.
00:25:19.000 So, Mark, I'm going to play devil's advocate here, and I'm going to pose a question that you'll often hear.
00:25:25.000 Mark, why can't we just have some reasonable, very popular gun control measures passed?
00:25:32.000 Why aren't you willing to look at any of it?
00:25:33.000 Maybe can we just get rid of the AR-15s, these assault-style military-grade rifles?
00:25:39.000 Can't we just get rid of those?
00:25:40.000 Because that's what they were using at this Allen Mall, this maniac, this 33-year-old Hispanic white supremacist that the media would say.
00:25:48.000 Can't we just have some sensible gun control measures, maybe deal with the magazine capacity?
00:25:53.000 What's your answer to that, Mark?
00:25:56.000 Well, when people commit violent crimes or they misbehave, they should be put in prison, right?
00:26:01.000 But the one thing we do not do about constitutional rights is we do not punish the millions of Americans that lawfully own firearms because of the misconduct or the misuse of a handful of psychopaths.
00:26:13.000 At the end of the day, if Americans do not like the right to keep and bear arms, they have an option.
00:26:19.000 They can try to amend the Constitution using Article 5.
00:26:23.000 Remember, the Constitution has been amended 27 times in American history.
00:26:28.000 So you can amend the Constitution.
00:26:30.000 The reason why it's not doable is because Americans overwhelmingly support the right to keep and bear arms, especially now more than ever before, because all of these tragedies basically teach us one thing, that when seconds count, the police are minutes away.
00:26:46.000 The police are not able to protect us, whether it be in the 2020 riots of the summer, whether it be in the post-Katrina, you know, after a catastrophe like post-Katrina, where the civil authorities can't show up.
00:26:58.000 The reality is, no matter how earnest police officers are, the government is not going to be able to protect you, which means you are your own first responder.
00:27:06.000 And again, there's nothing that's gone on in American life that suggests that the wisdom of the founding fathers is not accurate, which is the most important thing is to have armed citizens to thwart all forms of tyranny, which I talk about in my book about Ukraine, which it's interesting that the anti-gun left in America wants to take guns away from us and give them the Ukrainian citizens.
00:27:26.000 But what's the point of the guns in Ukraine?
00:27:28.000 It's to thwart a form of tyranny no different than what we have here in America.
00:27:31.000 You're making a great point, and actually two great points.
00:27:34.000 One is, you know, we love the hunters.
00:27:37.000 We love the conservationists.
00:27:39.000 That's, you know, my family background is very much that.
00:27:42.000 But that's not why the founders created the Second Amendment.
00:27:45.000 The founders created the Second Amendment to fight tyranny, a tyrannical government.
00:27:50.000 And you said something earlier.
00:27:52.000 You said they use health crisis, public health crisis.
00:27:55.000 Now that was COVID to take away our rights.
00:27:58.000 And now it's going to be this mental health crisis, which is causing various people to just shoot up schools and malls.
00:28:08.000 They're going to use that to take away law-abiding citizens' rights.
00:28:11.000 And the final, the point in that is that Americans don't want this.
00:28:16.000 This is what the left doesn't understand.
00:28:17.000 We don't actually want this because guess what?
00:28:20.000 We keep electing people that block the revocation of our arms.
00:28:24.000 It's just simple.
00:28:25.000 It's democracy.
00:28:27.000 Now, Mark, I wanted to zero in on something.
00:28:29.000 You said, it was just so clear when you said it.
00:28:31.000 You said, guess what?
00:28:33.000 Americans don't want this.
00:28:34.000 You can throw all the tantrums you want, leftists, but Americans do not want to be disarmed.
00:28:40.000 We keep electing these people that have told us that they are going to defend this sacred right that our founders enshrined.
00:28:48.000 And you'll often hear this as well.
00:28:49.000 People don't like democracy or representative democracy, which is a republic, right?
00:28:55.000 That it's muddle-headed.
00:28:57.000 It takes a long time to move anything.
00:28:59.000 Well, that's a good thing that they can't just strip our rights away.
00:29:02.000 If COVID taught us anything, it's that when they move with quickness, a ton of disasters follow in its wake.
00:29:09.000 What's your thoughts on that, Mark, as we think about this democratic struggle that actually we're winning?
00:29:16.000 Conservatives don't take victory labs very often, especially this day and age, but we are winning this fight.
00:29:22.000 Why do you think that is?
00:29:23.000 Well, I think that the Americans understand that government is not able to protect them.
00:29:30.000 I think there's countless examples of this.
00:29:32.000 And every time there's another so-called mass killing, remember yesterday there was a mass killing with a truck down in Texas, too.
00:29:39.000 So it's not just guns.
00:29:40.000 People use all sorts of means to kill other people.
00:29:43.000 And the government is realistically not in a position to protect you most of the time.
00:29:48.000 We got to keep in mind, though, that this is the one cultural issue that the conservatives have been tremendously successful in and are on the march.
00:29:55.000 I think there's many reasons for that.
00:29:57.000 One, of course, is that you have a Second Amendment that's actually in the text of the Constitution that says we have the right to keep and bear arms.
00:30:03.000 Then you have a Supreme Court, thanks to President Trump's nominations of three justices.
00:30:08.000 And when people ask me, what has Donald Trump done for the Second Amendment?
00:30:11.000 I say Neil Gorses, Amy Coney Barrett, and Brett Kavanaugh, who made up the majority in the Bruin case that, of course, re-vindicated the right to keep and bear arms just last year.
00:30:21.000 So you have a Second Amendment that's being robustly defended by the courts now, including the Supreme Court.
00:30:25.000 And then as a practical matter, we now have today 27.
00:30:29.000 Let me repeat that number, Andrew.
00:30:31.000 27 states allow people to carry handguns without a permit because their handgun permit is the fact that they're American citizens.
00:30:40.000 And that is 27 states.
00:30:41.000 That is the majority of the states.
00:30:43.000 And that number just, you know, we just added Nebraska and Florida. 0.72
00:30:46.000 So obviously, when it comes to the states, the gun issue is a winning one.
00:30:51.000 And you see where the anti-gun, and I talk about this quite frequently, the anti-gun movement is doubling down in the states that they control all the organs of government.
00:30:59.000 So they're doubling down and going crazy with gun control in New York, California, Oregon, Washington, these places where they control all facets of government.
00:31:08.000 That's where they're making headway.
00:31:10.000 And they're not really making headway on offense.
00:31:12.000 They're just doubling down in the home territories that they control.
00:31:14.000 But they're in retreat all across America because even in those states, a lot of those have already been enjoined or at risk of being enjoined and thwarted by courts that are enforcing the Second Amendment against that massive resistance we're seeing in certain blue states that don't like guns.
00:31:29.000 Well, you know, you bring up the Supreme Court, and last week, obviously, we saw this massive attack on Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas.
00:31:36.000 There's been other attacks on Neil Gorsuch.
00:31:39.000 Then, meanwhile, we find out that Soda Mayor is guilty of not recusing herself from Penguin Random House cases in which Penguin Random House was at risk of losing millions and millions of dollars in copyrights.
00:31:56.000 So, I mean, there's this whole battle here.
00:31:59.000 And we always say, don't listen to the noise, get above the noise.
00:32:03.000 What's really going on?
00:32:04.000 And I think you hit it right on the head. 0.74
00:32:06.000 I think it's abortion. 0.68
00:32:07.000 I think it's gun rights. 0.67
00:32:08.000 I think this attack on the Supreme Court of the United States is about gun rights and abortion, gun rights and abortion. 0.55
00:32:15.000 They want to pack it.
00:32:16.000 They want to delegitimize it.
00:32:19.000 And they want to control it because it's the last thing standing in the way of the left stripping so many of our rights away.
00:32:26.000 Mark, one minute, final thoughts.
00:32:29.000 Well, yes, remember, going all the way back to Greco-Roman times, there are three essential components to being a citizen and not a serf.
00:32:36.000 That is the right to have property, that is the right to vote, and it is the right to have firearms, or I should say, the right to have arms to be able to defend yourself. 0.78
00:32:45.000 If you don't have those three essential components of being a citizen, the right to arms, the right to property, and the right to vote, you're a serf.
00:32:52.000 The left in America, as far as I can tell, doesn't want us to be citizens, and they certainly want us to disarm.
00:32:59.000 It's a lot easier to bully people when they're disarmed, as we see all across the country.
00:33:05.000 Or I should say all across the world, but I should say that the Ukraine thing, as I write about in my book, Disarmed, really does illustrate the importance of an armed citizenry.
00:33:12.000 Because 10 years ago, the Ukrainians had an opportunity to adopt the Second Amendment and give themselves the right to bear arms.
00:33:18.000 They chose not to do that. 0.91
00:33:19.000 And now, when they're invaded, of course, they're handing out weapons to the citizens to defend the country.
00:33:23.000 10 years too late.
00:33:25.000 They shouldn't have been.
00:33:25.000 They were disarmed.
00:33:26.000 And they learned their lesson.
00:33:27.000 Well said, Mark.
00:33:28.000 Thanks for joining the show.
00:33:29.000 That's Mark W. Smith.
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