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00:02:59.000But I was horrified, truly, truly disgusted, actually, in what happened in Minneapolis.
00:03:06.000And of course, what we're talking about is what happened at City's Church in Minneapolis when Don Laman tags along with a group of far-left agitators, and I would say communists even.
00:03:20.000And by the way, we're finding Bolsheviks.
00:03:22.000And this is what one of the things I want Blake to explain to the audience is I think increasingly the best analogy for what's going on in Minneapolis, but you've seen it in Portland, you've seen it in LA, you've seen it in all these cities, you've seen it in Atlanta when they went after the police training facility.
00:03:41.000You see it with this Antifa front groups and these street gangs.
00:03:57.000It's, if you really just go into history, probably one of the most defining features of radical left political movements from the French Revolution 230 years ago on down into really the present is they'd call it anti-clericalism, anti-religion, anti-clergy, anti-anti-churches, anti-Christianity.
00:04:22.000And so the Bolsheviks are the most notorious one.
00:04:24.000They blew up, when they seized power, they blew up churches.
00:04:36.000Well, okay, not a fun, a good history of the Russian Revolution.
00:04:40.000Preface that by Blake thinks all history is really enjoyable.
00:04:45.000So, for example, they would torture priests and then make them do mock debates with atheists where they would admit that they were liars or wrong about everything.
00:04:55.000Although sometimes the priests would not go along with it.
00:04:58.000There was a very, the reason I said it was fun was this priest was made to argue about whether God exists.
00:05:05.000And so the priest asked the guy, where did reality come from, if not for God?
00:05:12.000And the Bolsheviks said reality and life evolved itself into existence.
00:05:18.000And the peasants who were watching thought this was so stupid, they immediately voted the priest the winner, which was not the way the stream was supposed to go.
00:05:25.000But there's always this spectacular violence in countries you're not even familiar with.
00:05:28.000Mexico 100 years ago had a revolution, huge amount of violence against religious and churches.
00:05:42.000They would loot these churches of all of their valuables and say that these are being hoarded against the poor when really a beautiful church is one of the things that it's one of the most beautiful things the poor have direct access to.
00:05:55.000That's a church that has beautiful things belongs to all the believers.
00:05:59.000It's not that it belongs to the church.
00:06:02.000And it's just a recurring thing that happens over and over and over again.
00:06:06.000And so it's not terribly surprising that in Minneapolis, as we get left-wing agitation against police, against the public, against pastorby, essentially, that this would also turn into agitation against churches and against Christians.
00:06:21.000And as I said online yesterday, this one was unarmed.
00:06:25.000But if they thought they could get away with doing it while armed or using violence, I think they would because they have for hundreds of years.
00:06:31.000Well, and this is what's so infuriating.
00:07:06.000He doesn't understand the law because Harmeet Dylan is now on record this morning saying that this was 100% a violation of the FACE Act, which protects places of worship, which protects people to be free to go and pews, to pray.
00:08:14.000In the beginning of the church service, the pastor was speaking, and Nakima stood up and said her piece, and then the protesters surrounded her.
00:08:38.000You can hear them just shouting the bile, the vitriol, the anger just spewing out of these people's mouths.
00:08:45.000And by the way, we're going to have Megan Basham on at the second half of this hour, and she's done research on some of these protesters.
00:08:51.000Many of them have been arrested for this before.
00:08:54.000And so now you've got to ask yourself, well, if they're getting out and they're doing it again, then maybe they're not getting charged in prison long enough.
00:09:33.000I thought the pastor did a beautiful job.
00:09:35.000It's actually a pretty insightful view of the left-wing attitude that they always believe they have the right to kind of do what they want.
00:09:44.000We have the freedom of assembly, freedom to protest by bursting into your church.
00:09:52.000It's just like whenever they would attack our events on campuses, even before the tragedy, just they would blame, you know, they would blame Charlie.
00:10:16.000The entitlement is truly through the roof, and it's disgusting.
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00:11:24.000We're going to keep going through these clips because they are legitimately disgusting.
00:11:36.000I was texting with Mark Halperin, who we're going to get back on the show, and this Joe Rogan-esque sentiment that, oh, there's masked agents.
00:11:45.000And secondly, you see this where there was a big bust of child predators in Northern Virginia right before Abigail Spangberger, the new governor, comes into power.
00:11:56.000Now, Democrats control all of Virginia.
00:11:59.000And what was the first thing they did?
00:12:00.000They cut off cooperation with immigration enforcement.
00:12:04.000So there's a big drug, big bust of child predators.
00:12:08.000The next day, they cut off immigration cooperation.
00:12:11.000They do this because Abigail Spanberger wants more rapists in your country.
00:12:17.000Abigail Spanberger, much like members of the Biden administration, celebrates internally when she sees a story about someone from Central America or someone from Africa or someone from the Middle East who kills an American child, rapes an American, robs an American.
00:14:13.000And they're going to come for Christians because they know Christians are the last firewall to freedom in this country.
00:14:17.000They know that Christianity gives you true freedom to put the state in its rightful place, to not worship it, to not deify it, but to demand freedom, that God gives us our freedoms.
00:14:31.000And meanwhile, I just can't get over it.
00:14:34.000The difference between the left and the right here, they would never have got to go to us to destroy, to go into a church.
00:15:41.000He then talks to what Blake would say is the most sinister, probably, of all the forces in the state of Minnesota, and that's Attorney General Keith Ellison.
00:15:49.000So he goes and does this church raid, traumatizes little kids, and then he talks to the top cop in the state of Minnesota about it, 228.
00:16:46.000We do live in upside-down bizarro world now.
00:16:49.000And then he asks about the church, 230.
00:16:53.000You heard what some of the folks said in there, you know, that this is they shouldn't be there and, you know, they shouldn't be uncomfortable and this is our house and whatever.
00:17:04.000That's what protesting is about, is to make people uncomfortable.
00:17:07.000You may not like it, but I mean, if they went into a church, you know, any church.
00:17:12.000Yeah, so now he's trying to walk it back, by the way.
00:17:15.000Protesting is about making people uncomfortable.
00:17:18.000That sounds like what Ilhan Omar, AOC say, the new Bolsheviks.
00:17:22.000It's actually so sinister because, no, like a big point of protest is to just show that a lot of people support a cause.
00:17:31.000That's the point of you turn out a million people on the National Mall.
00:17:34.000That's the point of you turn out at a city council meeting at your state legislature.
00:17:40.000You show a lot of people believe this.
00:17:42.000The point of these, when you make people uncomfortable, the point of this is to subvert the normal political process using fear.
00:17:49.000And so you have to say, okay, you should actually give us what we want because you're worried the next time we'll shoot you.
00:17:56.000You're worried the next time we'll burn down your church.
00:18:26.000So I would fully expect, and we are preparing for an influx of more agents, more of the very visible public theatrics of the raids, of the harassments.
00:18:54.000You desecrate churches because you're entitled, because you're ignorant, you're ill-informed, and you refuse to cooperate with law enforcement.
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00:21:38.000I've just been, we've, the whole first half of the show, we've just been going off on Don Lemon, Don Lamon, and Keith Ellison, this whole Bolshevik neo-Bolshevism that is taking over the, I would say, the activist class, the agitator class of the far left.
00:21:54.000Find it incredibly disgusting, very disturbing what's going on here.
00:21:59.000Give us your reaction of what we saw in Minneapolis at City's Church, and then you have some, you've been doing some research and some investigation into some of these players that were involved in this.
00:22:12.000Yeah, I mean, obviously, it's appalling and abhorrent to see what these activists did storming into this church.
00:22:17.000You know, I've talked to some pastors associated with this church.
00:22:20.000They're telling me that the children were terrified, that they were crying, that, and I think the pastors handled it very well, but they did have to end the service early because these kids were terrorized and they couldn't continue with the service.
00:22:32.000So they shut it down and they reconvened later that night and finished holding the service after all of these protesters left.
00:22:39.000But, you know, what I think is really important to note here is that the police, the local law enforcement, did not arrest anyone.
00:23:47.000And he has been seen repeatedly outside of Christchurch in DC as well, because that's the church that Pete Hegseth goes to.
00:23:55.000So he's been there harassing them weekly.
00:23:59.000And I spoke to one of the pastors associated with that church, and he told me that it has become so severe that at one point they screamed through bullhorns with amplification, and they actually burst a church member's eardrum with these tactics and sent him to the hospital.
00:24:14.000So, you know, one question I have at this point is how these guys are able to continue harassing churches and church members this way and why they're not behind bars.
00:24:22.000Because William Kelly was reportedly arrested a few weeks ago in D.C. for this very kind of thing for harassing DC church.
00:24:29.000And he's released again and back out on the streets bothering Christians.
00:24:39.000And you know what's interesting about this, though, because you are the author, of course, of Shepherds for Sale, New York Times best-selling author.
00:24:48.000You came on and talked about it with Charlie.
00:24:51.000And one of the storylines here that I don't think people are paying enough attention to is that this was an SBC church, and you've done a lot of investigations into some of the leadership at SBC.
00:25:04.000And then you sent me this article from the Baptist press.
00:25:07.000And, you know, you've got this crazy leaders of 13 Southern Baptist ethnic groups.
00:25:22.000And then they go on to, you know, it's Haitian, Hispanic, African-American, Chinese, Filipino, Nigerian, Liberian, Ghanaian, Korean, Burmese, Thai, and Vietnamese leaders signed a statement and they sent it to Baptist Press basically saying that, yeah, we, you know, countries need to have borders, but we basically can't do anything to enforce those borders.
00:25:41.000We don't think deportations are necessarily always very nice, and maybe we just do fines instead.
00:25:50.000And so that's a part of the backstory that a lot of people following what's been happening on the ground with this church in Minneapolis won't understand.
00:25:56.000So the rank and file Southern Baptist churches are typically very conservative.
00:26:01.000A lot of them will stay out of politics.
00:26:03.000And I understand that this church, I've been told, is not a church that's particularly involved in politics.
00:26:09.000They are not what you might think of as a culture-warring church, but they do have a pastor on staff who serves as a field director for ICE.
00:26:17.000And that is why they were targeted because they have a law enforcement officer on their pastoral staff.
00:26:22.000And the irony there is that the national leadership of the Southern Baptist Convention, though, as is the case in so many Christian denominations, are much more progressive than the rank and file and the ordinary churches.
00:26:35.000And that is the case in the Southern Baptist Convention.
00:26:38.000So, you know, it pains me to say this because I am a Southern Baptist, but you're right, Andrew.
00:26:42.000We need to take a look at this because just this past April, these national leaders of the Southern Baptist Convention contributed to this false narrative about ICE, that they're dangerous, that they're terrorizing people, when certainly all they're trying to do is enforce the law and to restore order to our immigration system.
00:27:03.000So back in April, as you said, all of these quote-unquote leaders of the various ethnic groups within the SBC and this is really important, the lobbying arm, the policy arm of the SBC, which is the Ethics and Religious Liberty Commission, which is paid for by Southern Baptist Tithes, put out a statement further creating this notion that churches have reason to fear ICE.
00:27:29.000And so, you know, one of the things that they said in this statement that they released, and I'll just read you a little bit of it.
00:27:35.000We are concerned that the current impact on religious freedom as worshipers decide not to attend worship services out of fear because federal agents will carry out law enforcement duties in church buildings.
00:28:01.000ICE has conducted their business whenever a church is involved, respectfully, with, you know, staying out in the parking lot, getting permission before they enter buildings.
00:28:13.000And you had the ERLC and these other leaderships within the SBC attacking ICE, even though they are the ones who have been respectful and have worked with churches.
00:28:23.000And in the meantime, we see the result of furthering this false narrative about ICE, and it was allowing protesters to break into buildings.
00:28:31.000They are the ones that we should have been afraid of the entire time.
00:28:34.000They are the ones who are disrupting church services, screaming obscenities in the faces of church members and frightening kids going to their church services.
00:28:43.000Well, and there's reports here that I'm just looking at right now, Megan, that apparently attendance, because this narrative has spread that ICE is raiding churches, attendance at many immigrant-heavy congregations, especially Latino, Pentecostal, and Catholic services, has dropped sharply.
00:29:00.000So they say sometimes by a third or a half due to fear with some pastors excusing members from mass or moving events to private and online.
00:29:10.000So these immigrant communities are intentionally avoiding going to church because this narrative has become so strongly spread within the anti-ICE movement, anti-immigration enforcement movement.
00:29:22.000And the other part of that is that they are endangering ICE when they spread these kinds of false narratives that churches need to be afraid of ICE and Christian denominations need to be afraid of ICE.
00:29:33.000You know, the ERLC's comment on it was so appalling to me.
00:29:36.000They said that the administration needs to provide more clarity so that our pastors, churches, and ministries will be free to minister.
00:29:43.000They're suggesting that ICE is preventing churches from ministering, and that is flatly not true.
00:29:48.000So I hate to say it because I am a Southern Baptist, but what the Southern Baptist leadership has done here contributed to what we saw at City's Church in Minneapolis.
00:29:59.000So, you know, what I would love to see is some of these leaders come out and actually apologize and repent and say, we were irresponsible in our language and we were irresponsible with this statement and how we addressed ICE and how we characterized ICE.
00:30:13.000So I think if they did that, that would send a huge message that one, they recognize that they made a mistake, that they slandered ICE agents.
00:30:22.000And that includes this pastor who teaches at Cities Church, because what they are suggesting is that ICE is dangerous to Christians.
00:30:31.000They have not done anything that should have sparked a statement like this.
00:30:35.000So, you know, there is sort of this terrible irony in the fact that this is how SBC national leaders have been behaving at the same time that you have rank and file churches that are in the SBC being targeted by these left-wing progressive agitators.
00:30:51.000Well, and it's, yeah, this statement goes on.
00:30:53.000And again, this is from the 13 leaders of the ethnic groups within the 13 different.
00:31:01.000But it says, we call on our Southern Baptist leaders to stand firm for religious liberty and speak on behalf of the immigrants and refugees.
00:31:09.000It says we ask that consideration be given to their paying a fine and or other penalty in lieu of deportation.
00:31:19.000I'm like, the national leadership of the SBC has been backing amnesty policies for a long time now.
00:31:25.000And, you know, not to plug my book, but if you want to know a little bit more about that, part of the reason they've been doing that is because they're involved with left-wing NGOs that are funded by George Soros to back those kinds of amnesty policies.
00:31:38.000They're, you know, working with groups that are part of those NGOs who receive hundreds of millions of dollars from the federal government to further illegal immigration.
00:31:46.000So, you know, there's certainly a monetary incentive here, but also I think part of it is they're always looking for a way to sort of coddle up to the secular progressive left-wing media.
00:31:58.000And so you will see these kinds of statements that feed into those kinds of false narratives about ICE and about immigration.
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00:33:31.000This is an exchange, Megan, that he had with Keith Ellison after the church incident happened.
00:33:38.000And Keith Ellison, the top cop, the Muslim sympathizer that probably is getting political kickbacks from the Somali fraud ring, is here defending their right to the First Amendment to go raid a church.
00:33:50.000The top cop is unaware of the FACE Act, apparently, in the state of Minnesota.
00:34:48.000I mean, I know that Don Lemon is not the sharpest tool in the shed.
00:34:54.000I would never mistake him for an intellectual.
00:34:57.000But the idea that your free speech rights entitle you to barge into a church to storm in with dozens of protesters screaming at the parishioners, terrorizing their children, swearing at the pastors.
00:35:12.000No, your free speech rights do not cover that.
00:35:14.000The purpose of your free speech rights is to protest to redress for government grievances.
00:35:23.000So, you know, what I would like to see happen here is I absolutely think that Don Lemon should face charges for coordinating with Democratic operatives to break into storm and harass members of a church during their weekly Sunday church service.
00:35:37.000I mean, that is part of what's so appalling to me is that it's not like they showed up on the grounds of this church and just protested in the parking lot outside.
00:35:45.000They busted into the sanctuary as the Sunday service was going on.
00:35:49.000So, you know, the idea that something like that could possibly be legal is ridiculous.
00:35:54.000I'm actually maybe a little bit more, I don't know, frightened is the right word, but certainly deeply concerned that they are now trying to defend actions like this.
00:36:06.000Because I think maybe just a couple of years ago, even someone like Keith Ellison probably would have condemned storming into a church like that.
00:36:14.000And the fact that they are now trying to, in some way, act like this was a legitimate action, a legitimate protest, is crossing a sort of Rubicon to me that I do find really concerning.
00:36:24.000That I go, if we can't even agree that you can't do this, then we are in very dangerous territory.
00:36:30.000I think the word you're looking for is disturbed.
00:36:32.000I'm very disturbed by what happened, the fact that they're doing this.
00:36:35.000You know, and by the way, I can just tell you, an independent source has just confirmed with me that the DOJ and DHS has possession of all the camera footage from Don Lamont showing what appears to be a violation of the Face Act.
00:36:47.000So it seems like there's a whole of government approach to dealing with this and bringing accountability.
00:38:15.000These are the religions that are created by the spirit of the air, which is demonic.
00:38:20.000So we need to understand that any religion that does not honor Christ is a demonic religion and it is a false religion.
00:38:25.000So, you know, I love my friends and other faith traditions, but I don't want them worshiping false gods.
00:38:31.000So I will continually try to draw them to Christ.
00:38:33.000And that shows you that whatever else James Tallarico is, he's not a Christian because a Christian understands that when Christ says, I am the way, the truth, and the life, when he tells us that you're not getting to God through any other door, we know that that's the truth.
00:38:46.000And that's what we preach because we love people and we want them to go to heaven and we don't want them to follow false religions to hell.
00:38:52.000So, you know, I would just say that this has clearly, definitively proved that James Tallarico is no Christian, which we already knew because he doesn't follow Christ's commands on issues like protecting the unborn, on protecting life, on sexuality, and gender identity.
00:39:10.000So we knew that this was not a Christian, but I do think, and you guys can tell me what you think about this, but I think we see a growing battle culturally.
00:39:18.000And this proves that we are still a very culturally Christian nation, but we are facing a growing battle over who does Christ belong to.
00:39:26.000Because I think in the past, the left just kind of denigrated Christians and churches, but now what they're realizing is that a better method is to try to claim Christ as their own for their left-wing agenda.
00:39:38.000And anyone who knows their Bible will see why that won't work, but I think they're going to increasingly try to do that.
00:39:43.000You know, at the start of the show, we were discussing how attacks on churches are an old leftoist practice, but that's actually this co-opting of religious leaders and religious language.
00:40:40.000And it reminds me of Scott Adams, actually, what he said in one of his last streams where he said, you know, I'm very touched by all these Christians that are trying to get me to convert.
00:40:49.000He said, because it shows the sincerity of their own belief that they believe this is the way.
00:40:53.000And that ultimately helped lead Scott to converting.
00:40:58.000Do you think he got a call from James Tallarico saying, oh, actually, don't worry about it because it's all pointed towards the truth.