Big Data Poll s Rich Barris and Andrew Yang join me to discuss the latest polling numbers on the Trump administration and how they reflect the growing dissatisfaction with the president's focus on foreign policy and other foreign issues. Who's better able to handle immigration, the economy, or foreign policy?
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00:01:09.000All right, welcome back to the Charlie Kirk Show.
00:01:13.000We're going to be talking about polling.
00:01:15.000There's been some polling news, and it really gets to the heart of a bunch of questions that we have about foreign versus domestic focus of this administration, the economy, what's going on with ICE rates.
00:01:26.000Here to help us unpack it is Rich Barris from Big Data Poll, the people's punt.
00:01:36.000Well, so you were early on this, where, and you highlighted this in some of your polling that voters, Trump's base, feel that there's perhaps maybe too much focus on foreign issues, whether that be Iran, Venezuela, Israel, Ukraine, not enough on domestic issues, meaning, you know, I guess the economy, affordability.
00:01:59.000So we talked about that, I feel like a couple months ago now, Rich.
00:02:02.000And now the Wall Street Journal is chiming in, and they had this big article that it's Trump's economy and voters are unhappy with it.
00:02:54.000Because it has long become a problem for presidents.
00:02:57.000They'll lament after they get out of office that I had so much I wanted to do with the domestic agenda, but I got entangled with foreign stuff and it just overshadowed my presidency.
00:03:06.000This has long been a complaint going back to Woodrow Wilson.
00:03:10.000He had a big domestic agenda that got swallowed up by the Great War, of course.
00:03:14.000Look, the president's job is, of course, one that is dealing.
00:03:18.000They're almost the chief diplomat of the country, but it's about optics.
00:03:22.000And this is, I think, particularly, this problem is particularly exacerbated with Donald Trump because he ran as America first president.
00:03:31.000And he ran saying that, you know, for too long, our elites have put the needs of other nations and the needs of the blob and the needs of military industrial complex, you know, elitists ahead of the needs of the forgotten man and woman.
00:03:44.000And they will not be forgotten any longer.
00:03:47.000I mean, that's verbatim out of Donald Trump's mouth.
00:03:49.000But he's just gallivanting with foreign entanglements day after day.
00:03:57.000This is also from the Wall Street Journal poll.
00:03:59.000And this is what I'm trying to reconcile here, Rich, because 232, if you could throw it up in the middle here, guys, it says, who's best able to handle border security?
00:05:25.000So that's important because in our polling, I remember going back in the midterms in 2014, Democrats actually were still more favored slightly, you know, to deal with healthcare, yet they got punished on it because they did something the American public didn't want them to do.
00:05:41.000They went too far and Republicans kept promising that they were going to repeal and replace it.
00:05:46.000Of course, they didn't, but that's what they did.
00:05:49.000And then in 16, of course, you still had Republicans actually eke out an advantage with healthcare, but because they didn't move on it when Trump was elected and Paul Ryan had a bigger majority, they got punished for it.
00:06:52.000You can see that the Epstein, you can see bombing Iran, make Iran great again on True Social, big drop.
00:07:01.000And, you know, we're kind of still, we got back to par with when, but then Donald Trump and Elon Musk have their big falling out over BBB and Doge.
00:07:25.000But if people go to Real Clear Politics, of course, you have all the trash thrown in that average with it.
00:07:30.000All of the people who didn't even have Donald Trump positive in approval when he was honestly almost 20 points positive.
00:07:36.000I mean, during the highlight of his second term, Donald Trump's approval rating was ridiculous, unthinkably high in our polling compared to what we had seen in the past all these years.
00:07:48.000He's been a public figure and a president.
00:07:51.000But even with all of those other polls that are in the mix in the Real Clear Politics Average, you will see the same trend.
00:07:57.000And you'll see where it looks like maybe they're going to write the ship again and then something else happens and it widens out.
00:08:03.000And then that trend is just continued and continued.
00:08:06.000Over the weekend, he actually hit a second term low.
00:08:09.000And I think it's, if we go, if we had time to go over some of the what we call elaborated responses when we're interviewing people, we give them the interview and then we say, do me a favor, just take a few minutes, or don't if you don't want to, but we'd like you to take a few minutes and tell us why you answered the way you did with these questions.
00:08:27.000And this weekend really was bad for the president because they felt like he was getting back on track.
00:08:33.000And now everyone's just expecting, Andrew, everyone is just expecting within the next like couple of days to a month, nobody ever knows with Donald Trump.
00:08:41.000They're just expecting him to bomb Iran and they're disappointed.
00:08:44.000And again, you know, I thought we were going in the right direction here.
00:08:47.000Now, and a lot of people on the right are more concerned.
00:08:53.000One guy that was just interviewed about 40 minutes ago, he put it better than I even could.
00:08:58.000You know, we have an ICE issue we have to deal with.
00:08:59.000There's immigration problems going on right now.
00:09:02.000Every second that you spend talking about whether or not we're going to bomb Iran and regime change is a second you waste telling the story to the American public about why ICE is out there doing what they have to do.
00:09:14.000You know, and even he himself said, as of right now, I understand why people are angry with ICE and I understand why it looks like they're not trained well enough.
00:09:23.000I mean, we just seeded the, until a few weeks ago, until the shooting, we just seeded that argument to the left.
00:09:30.000And they have been free since late last year to just tell the American public whatever story they wanted to tell them about ICE.
00:09:37.000And, you know, it's just Washington doesn't walk and chew bubblegum very well at the same time.
00:09:42.000So, Rich, we obviously have some friction on ICE over the events in Minneapolis or bad PR with certain types of raids.
00:09:50.000Do you interpret this as something we've said, both of us have said, this is clearly a huge issue that they kind of need to win.
00:09:56.000They can't lose in Minneapolis where they're not enforcing.
00:09:59.000Is this something they power through that if they keep enforcing the law, people get used to it in the same way that they got used to Obamacare, which was unpopular at first?
00:10:08.000Well, we may have to go into a break here, but 20 seconds.
00:10:13.000You know, that's a complicated response, but initially I'll say this.
00:10:16.000I think they can power through it if they give the correct message.
00:10:19.000It's just right now they're so far behind.
00:10:23.000Most voters that are just like ignore me voters, Blake, do want ICE to like kind of back off a little bit until the administration explains to them better what they're doing.
00:10:32.000I totally agree, and it's frustrating because I think that's the exact wrong reaction.
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00:12:30.000If you ask the average American what constitutes a crime that puts you on the top of ICE lists, they have no idea.
00:12:36.000So, and they don't automatically trust that these people are drug dealers, they're murderers, they're whatever rapists, because the left is telling another story.
00:12:45.000The left is telling a story that you could have had a parking ticket that you didn't go in and pay and they came and ripped the child out of your hands.
00:12:52.000I mean, this is what they're actually hearing.
00:12:55.000And as of right now, there's just complete confusion over what would put you at the top of that list.
00:13:00.000You know, we spoke to a Trump voter in Texas for a focus group, and he basically said, you know, I'm 100% on for ICE.
00:13:07.000I get that, but I do have a neighbor who's been living next to me for 25 years.
00:13:11.000Like, if he forgets to pay the toll, you know, are they going to come get him?
00:13:40.000And ICE wears masks because if they're doxxed while they're out doing their job, some lunatic could come to their house and hurt their wife and children, right?
00:13:50.000And unfortunately, we know it better than most.
00:13:53.000But the American public doesn't know that.
00:13:55.000The administration, the right, we just did not do a good enough job explaining to people that ICE is not running around with masks on because they're like stormtroopers, you know, or the, you know, whatever other word the left wants to use to describe them that we all know is, you know, an outrageous link, but that has worked.
00:14:15.000And I mean, going back, what do I got, 30 seconds here?
00:14:18.000Going back to late last year, going to the fall last year, we began to hear this and tried to put the flare in the air and say, look, you have to explain to people why they do it the way they do.
00:15:16.000We need to get aggressive on this stuff because this is all very plain if you have two eyes.
00:15:21.000But I agree that the Joe Rogan sentiment is basically where the country's at right now, which Joe Rogan, to remind people, went on his podcast and he said he talked about them being masked.
00:15:46.000Cleaning up that mess sometimes gets messy.
00:15:48.000But in the totality of all of the 650,000 deportations, we know that about 70% of those have committed an additional crime after entering the country illegally.
00:15:58.000And we also know that there's only about 170 instances of a mistaken identity, meaning that they apprehended a citizen or somebody that was not supposed to be apprehended.
00:16:14.000They are doing an incredible job, but Blake has a controversial take on this.
00:16:19.000You don't think that they should be masked anymore.
00:16:22.000So what I would say is, if one of our biggest losing issues is the fact that these guys are masked, maybe we should bite the bullet and say, and that might lead us to better ICE agents, too.
00:16:32.000We'll get the bravest ones, the most committed ones.
00:16:35.000But sometimes you have to take a hazard for the sake of the country.
00:16:39.000And if whether we're able to save this country from illegals comes down to are our agents masked or not, I think we have to say you guys are going to have to go out.
00:16:48.000And if someone harasses you at your home, if someone attacks you, you have the absolute right to defend yourself and those people will be arrested.
00:16:56.000But especially given there are thousands of them, there is some strength in numbers.
00:18:10.000Andrew, if local law enforcement or even the FBI pull up at somebody's house to arrest a drug dealer, affect a warrant or an arrest warrant, the place is on lockdown.
00:18:20.000You're not allowed to have 10 people across the street honking horns and throwing stuff.
00:18:35.000And here, so I think the president should come out and do a full message to the nation, a sort of, you know, do it from the oval, do it, whatever.
00:18:45.000And he needs to lay out some very simple facts.
00:18:48.000You can coordinate with ICE and you won't get raids.
00:18:51.000Or you can do what Virginia has just done.
00:18:54.000After, by the way, a huge bust of a bunch of sex criminals, illegals, the next, very next day, Spamberger comes out and ceases all cooperation with immigration enforcement.
00:19:06.000And if you choose that route, well, then you're going to get ICE raids.
00:19:10.000That's the choice you have as a state, but not enforcing immigration law is not an option.
00:19:14.000The supremacy clause is still in effect.
00:19:17.000Immigration goes through the federal government.
00:19:20.000States, you do not get the right to just completely subvert the will of the people, the will of the voters, and the federal government and our laws.
00:19:26.000Secondly, you know, I know for a fact, Rich, that there's a bunch of budget left over on recruiting immigration officers, ICE agents.
00:19:34.000It was in the big, big, one big, beautiful bill.
00:19:36.000Yeah, they met recruitment goals basically immediately because it's very popular and people want to help their nation.
00:19:44.000So instead of making memes or glamour shots of certain leaders in the administration, what we need to do is we need to start, take what money's left, go do a big ad campaign, put that guy's face on it, saying you're getting in the way of us arresting a sex predator.
00:20:03.000You do not, if you are a mom, if you are a liberal woman, a leftist out on the streets saying, I want my community to be more inclusive, and you are defending sex predators and child rapists and drug smugglers on your streets, you're a dumb, dumb person.
00:20:18.000Let me just edit myself really quickly.
00:20:20.000You are not smart and you are getting lied to.
00:20:22.000You're getting propagandized by a psyop from the left that wants you to think that these are all Gestapo agents.
00:20:38.000Democrats have, Republicans have to change the way they do things because Democrats have a 24-7, 365 during election season, during off cycles.
00:20:48.000They have a constant communications thing, working from media to the entertainment industry to even if you have an iPhone, Apple's doing their job for them with push notifications, with headlines that fit them.
00:21:00.000The right has to realize that this is not just three months before an election or six months before an election.
00:21:05.000All Thanksgiving went by, Andrew, without a single ad being run during football, those football games, which had enormous ratings.
00:21:13.000They could have reached basically everybody in the country.
00:22:38.000Peter Schweitzer, he is exposing something that is truly insidious, and that is birth tourism, how our elites are using the birthright citizenship loophole, which needs to be abolished.
00:23:21.000And now because we are idiots and we have continued on with this birthright citizenship and you've got tourism and you've got people dropping off anchor babies, then what happens?
00:23:34.000Then they get into country, and when they're 21 years old, then they can use chain migration, family reunification to bring their family members over, reunite with their family members.
00:23:47.000You're eligible for U.S. citizen-only welfare programs, U.S. citizen-only loans.
00:23:54.000If you wanted to go to United States, you can go to United States College and get United States citizen tuition.
00:24:01.000Everything's available, and it's for these scions of wealthy foreign elites.
00:24:05.000And it's this ticking time bomb because they were doing this.
00:24:08.000We've cut down on this a decent amount, but they were doing it in a totally uncontrolled way 18, 20, 25 years ago when China was first starting to really become wealthy.
00:24:22.000And it's absolutely infuriating because even if, even if you granted that the 14th Amendment stupidly allows this, Congress and our states could easily, they should easily just go and vote and say and do an amendment that 100% clarifies nobody who's doing this particular loophole is a United States citizen.
00:24:44.000And the fact that they don't is incredibly sinister because you can't help but wonder who basically wanted to make the donation to make sure that that would just never happen, that there's always going to be a way for foreign elites to have a back door to get United States citizenship and everything that that comes with.
00:25:02.000Yeah, well, and they're doing it obviously as I believe the CCP is behind it.
00:25:08.000They're intentionally gaming the system.
00:25:10.000And it begs the question: why do we allow this to continue?
00:25:15.000And it's because Democrats want to transform the electorate.
00:25:18.000They hate America as it's currently constituted, as it's historically been constituted.
00:25:29.000And they think the way that their terrible ideas, which have never been able to gain majority support and traction in this country, the only way to do that is to import a foreign electorate, completely transform the body politic with people that will be more amenable to what they believe.
00:25:47.000And why would we do this in an era where you can do birthright citizenship?
00:25:51.000The 14th Amendment, even if you made the argument that birthright citizenship was somehow supported by the drafters of the 14th Amendment, which it was clearly not, if you actually look at the oral proceedings that happened right around the drafting of the amendment, they clearly did not want foreigners to be involved.
00:26:07.000It was to give freed slaves citizenship because they were born and raised in America.
00:26:12.000But even if you did that, the drafters had no conception that air travel was going to be a thing.
00:26:18.000They had no conception that you could get a ticket from China to America for about like 800 bucks and drop off a baby in a U.S. territory in the Pacific.
00:26:28.000And all of a sudden, that baby would then have full voting rights in the United States.
00:26:38.000The Supreme Court announced on December 5th, 2025, so a little over a month ago, that it would review the birthright citizenship case known as Trump v. Barbara.
00:26:48.000And it's going to be here hearing oral arguments in the spring of 2026.
00:26:52.000So this year, so likely in April or May, we're going to get hearings, oral arguments for that.
00:26:57.000A final decision is anticipated by the end of the court's term, so late June or early July 2026.
00:27:02.000So hopefully the court is going to rule the right way on this.
00:27:06.000A lot of people seem to be very skeptical that they are going to do so, but nevertheless, I'm hopeful.
00:27:12.000I think it's one of the more clear-cut examples.
00:27:16.000If you have any spine, if you have any common sense, you would read the oral arguments that happened in the drafting.
00:28:22.000We've talked about how important it is to not cede the ground that ICE is a paramilitary, that ICE is some like Gestapo, that ICE is anything but normal police.
00:28:33.000And one of the things that's important with normal police is if they're not on a tactical or undercover special operation, police officers do show their faces publicly.
00:29:12.000The National Guard are attacked, too, in D.C. 1,000%.
00:29:15.000Yeah, I mean, that was a horrific, horrific thing.
00:29:18.000So I'm sort of, I'm still processing your suggestion, but I understand where it's coming from because this audience is not necessarily the same audience that we need to convince the normies in the middle, right?
00:29:29.000They're listening to Joe Rogan saying that because they're masked, they're the Gestapo.
00:30:19.000But we do need to do a better job messaging.
00:30:21.000And maybe the first step before we consider that as an option is we need to actually have President Trump go out, give a national address, tell exactly what the dynamic is happening in the streets of Minneapolis and other places, and explain to states like Virginia.
00:30:34.000If you're going to stop coordinating with ICE, then listen, you're going to leave us no choice but to get these predators and these bad people off the streets doing it the hard way.
00:30:42.000You could do it the easy way, you could do it the hard way, but there's no option where you don't play along and obey federal immigration.
00:30:48.000It could even be something as they'll be masked in any state where they're also a sanctuary state that doesn't cooperate with them.
00:30:56.000Yeah, we'll take the masks off in Texas and Florida.
00:30:59.000There's no need because we're doing controlled handoffs at the local jails when they get pulled over for whatever crime they've been pulled over for.
00:31:06.000So, yeah, I believe that this is something that we should at least entertain.
00:31:10.000But, you know, obviously our audience is not there yet.
00:31:14.000So I want to get to Jennifer Welch, though.
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00:33:23.000Why are you thinking about genitals all the time?
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00:34:31.000This clip from Jennifer Welch, so she attacks Charlie, calls him a titty baby, which apparently is a southern expression for, you know, a child who hasn't weaned from the mom, complaining that he didn't feel safe in New York City.
00:34:45.00010 days later, about 11 days later, he would be assassinated.
00:34:50.000Now she's going off after Jesse Waters, saying that he talks about masculinity too much.
00:34:57.000And now we have other clips that I could show you where she's demanding prosecutions and you have elected officials leading, agreeing with her that as soon as they get power, they're going to prosecute us all.
00:36:18.000I mean, she's so confident in calling someone a coward because she knows that she's extremely unlikely to ever face political violence because political violence is overwhelmingly the domain of the left, especially assassinations, especially that sort of unhinged targeted violence.
00:37:00.000Do we want to actually wield power when we have it?
00:37:02.000This brings into question the filibuster.
00:37:04.000This brings in the question, are we going to get the SAVE Act requiring voter ID?
00:37:09.000There's new movement on the House side.
00:37:11.000We're going to get into that this week.
00:37:13.000Virginia Democrats, this is what he says, now have total control of the state government in Virginia and have immediately moved to do the following.
00:37:20.000End police cooperation with Trump's ICE.
00:37:22.000Pass new maps to combat Trump's gerrymandering and eliminate up to four Republican House seats.
00:37:28.000So four House seats have just been wiped off the map in Virginia.
00:38:00.000And what really stinks with Virginia in particular, and it deserves some thought, it's so bad what happened in Virginia because at least with California and New York, they're actually messing it up so bad that the states are sort of disintegrating.
00:38:16.000California's driving all their billionaires out with their wealth confiscation tax.
00:38:42.000If New York destroys the finance industry and it moves to Florida or moves to a new country, they're hosed.
00:38:49.000But Virginia, because it has Washington, D.C. there, it just has the imperial capital that can pass a law to extract wealth from the rest of the country.
00:38:59.000They can just get away with these insane things.
00:39:02.000And they don't need to have a rational state because they can just go to the federal government and say, oh, pass more laws, take more money from the states that actually do things.
00:39:45.000Our rules are what keep our side from winning.
00:39:47.000We either want to win or we will lose under some delusion that the rules mean anything.
00:39:53.000And this is the question I think that's facing us right now.
00:39:55.000When it comes to what's happening in Minneapolis, the showdown with state and local governments that refuse to remove child predators, murderers, sex traffickers, drug traffickers from the streets.
00:40:07.000And they're trying to defy federal law.
00:40:10.000This is the same question that comes with basically anything, right?
00:40:45.000And I think he has put a spine back into the conservative movement.
00:40:49.000And Charlie talked about this in right-wing revolution.
00:40:53.000Do you have the guts to use political power when you have it?
00:40:56.000Well, we have it, at least at some level right now.
00:40:58.000And I'm afraid that it's being squandered in too many places.
00:41:01.000This is the time that we are facing an existential crisis in this country.
00:41:05.000A crisis of do we have the will to use political power when we have it to do the right thing, to do things that are actually important, that actually that's why we fixated so hard.
00:41:15.000They have to win the showdown in Minneapolis, period.
00:41:18.000Because it has become so important and so symbolic for the wider country.
00:41:22.000If they can't follow through on doing immigration raids and deporting people in Minneapolis in the face of protests, in the face of screaming, in the face of harassment, in the face of organized systematic law breaking with the aid of a state government, if they back down against that after the election we won last year with this president in office, with this personnel in office, it's basically just never going to happen.
00:41:45.000And that will be the message that our base takes.
00:41:47.000So they'll be demoralized and the left will take it and they'll be inspired.
00:41:50.000They have to win the deportation battle.
00:41:53.000We have to win the deportation battle and we have to win the messaging war when it comes to that.
00:41:58.000So my message to DHS, to ICE, use that money that's still there for recruitment.