The Charlie Kirk Show - The REAL Reason Durham Is Starting with Michael Sussman with Kash Patel

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00:00:18.000 I could tell you what, as he goes through what's happening, Kash Patel, everybody.

00:00:24.000 What's on Durham's mind?

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00:01:46.000 Okay, everybody, Charlie Kirk here with the legendary and the great Kash Patel.

00:01:51.000 I'll tell you what, I get more Kash Patel alerts from people. 0.80

00:01:55.000 They're sending me stuff, and you're a very famous man, Cash.

00:01:58.000 Charlie, I'm trying to keep up with you and the efforts you're putting out.

00:02:00.000 Yeah, I mean, you were on Maria's show yesterday, right?

00:02:03.000 Yeah, Devin and I, she thought it would be fun to have Devin and I, the Russiagate guys, on the day before the Russia Gate trial for stuff now.

00:02:03.000 Recently, right?

00:02:10.000 So I want to get into that.

00:02:11.000 You have a new book out called The Plot Against the King.

00:02:14.000 It's a children's book, right?

00:02:15.000 It's a children's book.

00:02:16.000 Oh, this will drive them crazy. 0.57

00:02:18.000 So basically, what we thought was, yeah, it's called The Plot Against the King.

00:02:21.000 And look, we said it in medieval times, and we thought they're shoving critical race theory down our children's throats and down our youth.

00:02:27.000 Why don't we educate our children about the truth?

00:02:30.000 And the biggest story of our generation, Charlie, is the Russiagate hoax.

00:02:34.000 And no one's teaching our kids about it.

00:02:36.000 So we had this idea to say, let's set it in medieval times.

00:02:39.000 We'll have a king named Donald.

00:02:40.000 We'll have Hillary Queenton. 1.00

00:02:41.000 The MAGA King.

00:02:42.000 The MAGA King.

00:02:43.000 He played right into it.

00:02:44.000 I mean, could we have set it up any better?

00:02:47.000 We've got Hillary Queenton and the Shifty Knight. 1.00

00:02:49.000 And of course, the Knight of the Round Table, Devin.

00:02:52.000 And it's our quest for truth.

00:02:54.000 And the simple issue is, why shouldn't we educate our children on what actually happened in Russia Gate?

00:03:00.000 It's for anyone four and up.

00:03:01.000 And honestly, adults should get out of the way.

00:03:03.000 But we don't know all of it yet.

00:03:04.000 We don't know all of it, but that's why we can write a part two.

00:03:06.000 Oh, there'll be a sequel.

00:03:08.000 So it's called Plot Against the King.

00:03:12.000 Yep.

00:03:13.000 And you can go to Plot Against Turkey.

00:03:15.000 It's the number one child's book right now on Amazon.

00:03:17.000 And we haven't even technically.

00:03:20.000 I'll tell you what.

00:03:21.000 There might be some not-so-subtle cues and clues in here.

00:03:25.000 There's a few.

00:03:26.000 I think your audience is going to have fun with those.

00:03:28.000 Oh, yeah.

00:03:30.000 They got to dig through it.

00:03:31.000 So.

00:03:31.000 Okay.

00:03:32.000 Sorry, it's on plotagainsteking.com.

00:03:34.000 Just go have nuts. 0.98

00:03:35.000 So people aren't as into this day-to-day drama of the kind of Sussman Durham stuff for good reason because they're too busy trying to figure out how to feed their family and pay for gas and all that stuff. 0.98

00:03:35.000 All right. 0.98

00:03:47.000 And get baby formula. 0.94

00:03:48.000 So let's, we do this almost every time you're on, but I think it's worth kind of going through again.

00:03:52.000 So today is the beginning of the Sussman trial.

00:03:54.000 What is Sussman? 0.76

00:03:56.000 What are the charges Sussman is facing?

00:03:57.000 Okay, let's boil it down.

00:03:59.000 Sussman, the head lawyer for the Hillary Clinton crime syndicate, as I refer to them as.

00:04:04.000 He was law partners with the guy Mark Elias, who you guys, your audience has definitely heard about.

00:04:09.000 Mark Elias is basically an uncharged co-conspirator.

00:04:12.000 So, what John Durham did was he said, How can I get at the Clinton enterprise?

00:04:17.000 And you do it by getting a case, what's called lying to federal agents, right?

00:04:21.000 So, Sussman, the Clinton lawyer, who started the fusion GPS narrative for the Christopher Steele dossier for the Alpha Bank server nonsense, he got the money, tens of millions of dollars through the Hillary Clinton campaign.

00:04:33.000 He set up the infrastructure, and then he goes, Okay, I've got the goods, and he knew they were false, but he takes these false goods and goes to the text message, right?

00:04:42.000 Saying I'm doing this on my own capacity, not for a client, right?

00:04:47.000 And let's just put this into perspective: do you think any everyday American can call the general counsel, the FBI, overnight and get a meeting?

00:04:54.000 No, and that's what's like, oh, hey, buddy, I'm coming in.

00:04:58.000 That just goes to show this kind of interinstitutional graft that's existed, right?

00:05:03.000 And to me, it's a stroke of genius by Durham because what he's saying is documents don't lie.

00:05:03.000 Yeah.

00:05:10.000 You testified to Kash Patel under oath four years ago, literally, that you were there on behalf of the Hillary Clinton campaign.

00:05:18.000 Then you sent out a text message the day before you met with the FBI general counsel saying, I'm coming in as a good Samaritan.

00:05:26.000 Then you met with the FBI general counsel, who's the star witness in this case, by the way, who's going to testify that Michael Sussman walked into FBI HQ one day after making a phone call for a meeting and said, I'm not here on behalf of anyone.

00:05:40.000 I'm here as a good Samaritan.

00:05:42.000 And oh, by the way, here's a bag of total false information, but please go attack Donald Trump based on it, even though I know it's false.

00:05:49.000 So Sussman is being charged for lying to the government.

00:05:52.000 Right.

00:05:53.000 Any other charges?

00:05:54.000 No, for him, that's it right now.

00:05:56.000 Okay.

00:05:57.000 And so that probably doesn't overly concern him.

00:06:00.000 Is there a reason why he hasn't pled and tried to strike a deal?

00:06:03.000 Is he trying to protect the regime?

00:06:05.000 Is there.

00:06:06.000 Yeah, you nailed it, Charlie.

00:06:07.000 So generally in these types of cases, when you build a pyramid up, and me as a former federal prosecutor, that's what you do.

00:06:12.000 You go after the guys you can nail at the bottom.

00:06:14.000 And then once you convict them, they're like, oh, I don't want to go to jail.

00:06:17.000 I want to go.

00:06:17.000 So this is the easiest case.

00:06:19.000 It's a document-based case.

00:06:20.000 He said X and then he said why.

00:06:22.000 And the jury's going to see it.

00:06:23.000 His testimony.

00:06:24.000 And the law is very clear.

00:06:25.000 You can't lie to a FBI.

00:06:26.000 You can't lie to the FBI.

00:06:28.000 So I think the reason he didn't plea is because he tried to, his defense strategy was, I'm going to try this case in the media before it gets to trial.

00:06:36.000 And he wanted to build up such a corral in the fake news media that that would corrupt the jury.

00:06:41.000 The problem is, John Durham has done such a good job of not leaking.

00:06:45.000 And Sussman's lawyers have overextended their hand.

00:06:48.000 And here's the key situation that I think John Durham capitalized on brilliantly.

00:06:52.000 They basically said, oh, you, John Durham, aren't giving us enough information about our client's case.

00:06:58.000 John Durham goes, okay, I'm going to label it a joint venture conspiracy.

00:07:02.000 And I'm going to outline the individuals in the joint venture conspiracy.

00:07:06.000 And that's legal terms.

00:07:07.000 He can't just say that.

00:07:08.000 So now he's not just saying, Sussman, you're on trial, but you, the Clinton cartel, Fusion GPS, Andy McKay, Peter Strzok, are all part of my joint venture conspiracy.

00:07:18.000 Yeah, so, but why is Durham pushing this to trial when there's all this other pending stuff, right?

00:07:26.000 It's his first case.

00:07:27.000 It's his first trial as special counsel in the whole Russian gate stuff.

00:07:30.000 And to me, it's where I'd start.

00:07:31.000 It's the easiest one.

00:07:33.000 But why not?

00:07:34.000 It's not the biggest indictment, obviously.

00:07:37.000 We're talking about one singular lie to the FBI.

00:07:39.000 I mean, that's called lunch for most lawyers, right?

00:07:43.000 I mean, that's how cynical I am, right?

00:07:46.000 But why go through this where things could be revealed in court, right?

00:07:50.000 I mean, a good defense strategy for Sussman would be to try to flush out what else the government has, right?

00:07:56.000 And I think you're spot on.

00:07:57.000 That's why he didn't plea because Clinton World got to him and said, you're not plea.

00:08:00.000 We need to know what they got.

00:08:01.000 Yeah, so exactly.

00:08:02.000 Try to use this as an open-air kind of exhibit to the public to show them you don't have anything.

00:08:10.000 And that was what's shocking.

00:08:12.000 They came in, they airmailed in.

00:08:13.000 Clinton World, like Fusion GPS, started writing pleadings and they're not even a defendant.

00:08:17.000 And so did Mark Elias and John.

00:08:19.000 To try to claim privilege?

00:08:20.000 Yeah, all these assertions of attorney-client privilege.

00:08:24.000 Here's what happens.

00:08:25.000 Look, as a former guy who tried 60 criminal jury trials to verdict, and as a former public defender, he used to file these motions.

00:08:31.000 You file these things when you're running scared.

00:08:34.000 And you're like, maybe we got some legal gymnastics we can get this win on.

00:08:38.000 And they've lost every major battle.

00:08:41.000 So every motion that is being filed, right?

00:08:43.000 Yep.

00:08:43.000 So, but I suppose the question is, there's nothing that Durham is probably worried about being discovered that could potentially implicate or interfere with a looming indictment.

00:08:57.000 No, and that's why it's so smart to start here, because the next series of indictments that they think he's bringing are part of the conspiracy.

00:09:04.000 The Andy McCabe, the Peter Schox, those are hard to lay out.

00:09:07.000 But if you get the guy at the base of the pyramid who's in charge of all the money and who initially lied.

00:09:11.000 Yeah, but he has no leverage, though, over him, though, right?

00:09:14.000 It's not.

00:09:15.000 It's building the conviction basis.

00:09:16.000 It's not that you're...

00:09:17.000 Is that right?

00:09:18.000 Yeah, it's not that you're using it.

00:09:19.000 So build that out for me.

00:09:20.000 I don't question that.

00:09:21.000 Yeah, so like, look, a mob case, right?

00:09:23.000 Everybody's seen Godfather or whatever.

00:09:24.000 When you go after the top guys in the mafia in New York.

00:09:27.000 You go after the bag man first.

00:09:28.000 You go after the bagman.

00:09:29.000 You go after the money guy.

00:09:30.000 You go after the guy who drove them around.

00:09:32.000 And then when you convict those guys, the guys up top know he's convicted.

00:09:36.000 He's facing federal prison.

00:09:39.000 And 99.9% of the time, those guys facing federal prison are like, especially a career corrupt DOJ official like Michael Sussman is like, I don't want to go to prison.

00:09:48.000 No, no, I know, but then is there a moment in between conviction and sentencing where they go to the government and cooperate?

00:09:54.000 I've had it happen all the time.

00:09:55.000 Okay, so talk about that.

00:09:56.000 Yeah, so in federal court.

00:09:57.000 Because the judge does the sentencing, right?

00:09:59.000 Right.

00:09:59.000 The judge does the sentencing, but in federal court, it's a little different than state court.

00:10:02.000 That sentencing, say Michael Sussman's convicted next week.

00:10:05.000 Which thing's conceivable.

00:10:05.000 Okay.

00:10:05.000 Trial ends.

00:10:06.000 Yeah, right.

00:10:07.000 His sentencing won't happen for three months after that.

00:10:10.000 Is that right?

00:10:11.000 Yeah, there's a whole stage.

00:10:12.000 So there's a whole back and forth between the government and the defense that goes on about what he should be sentenced to, what he shouldn't be sentenced to, and there's all these legalese and boring stuff that happens.

00:10:21.000 But in that time, me as a public defender, I've gone to the government having lost big cartel cases.

00:10:26.000 And I've said, okay, we lost.

00:10:29.000 I need help.

00:10:29.000 Just kidding.

00:10:30.000 And my guy's like, I don't want to go to prison for 50 years.

00:10:32.000 I'm like, well, you better give the government something.

00:10:34.000 And you have room to negotiate.

00:10:35.000 Oh, is that right?

00:10:36.000 So then you as the government will say, Your Honor, even though we just prosecuted this guy successfully, he was been helped for the last 90 days.

00:10:43.000 We recommend a shortened sentence.

00:10:45.000 Yeah, they could do that.

00:10:46.000 The other thing is, Your Honor, we convicted him.

00:10:48.000 We gave him an opportunity to cooperate.

00:10:50.000 He said, no, he's a guilty person.

00:10:53.000 Max him out.

00:10:54.000 And the judge doesn't always take the recommendation.

00:10:57.000 No, it's up to him.

00:10:58.000 It's true.

00:10:59.000 It's her, but it's completely discretionary.

00:11:03.000 But the pressure from the government plays a role.

00:11:03.000 There's like rules.

00:11:06.000 Massive role.

00:11:07.000 It's not like he can go in and plead guilty today.

00:11:07.000 Massive role.

00:11:10.000 He's going to.

00:11:10.000 He can't plead anymore.

00:11:11.000 No, no, no, I understand that.

00:11:12.000 But there's that, that's interesting, that moment of time, because I'm used to kind of like, you're guilty.

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00:12:18.000 I think that this Durham thing is bigger than even how he realizes it.

00:12:22.000 And I'll tell you why, which is we have a pattern over multiple years where people see the crimes committed by powerful people and nothing gets done.

00:12:33.000 And it's not, I mean, the crimes are one thing.

00:12:36.000 We're used to kind of the self-dealing crimes, right?

00:12:38.000 We're used to kind of the Nancy Pelosi stuff where you just get like endlessly rich as a plutocrat.

00:12:43.000 We're kind of used to the Hunter Biden stuff.

00:12:45.000 We'll see, you know, what happens with that.

00:12:47.000 But the Russia gate, the Russia hoax, was something completely different, right?

00:12:52.000 This wasn't just kind of like, okay, I'm going to go take a photo op with someone from Uzbekistan and Hunter Biden gets a $100,000 wire transfer, right?

00:13:00.000 This is actually using the force of government itself to try to stop the will of the people.

00:13:07.000 Yeah.

00:13:08.000 And not just using the force of government.

00:13:10.000 It'd be one thing if they were doing it for the right and lawful reasons, which is what government is for.

00:13:15.000 They broke the law.

00:13:16.000 They violated their oaths of office.

00:13:18.000 These officers at the FBI, the DOJ, at the Hillary Clinton campaign, these so-called political leaders and government career officials, Comey, McCabe, Strzok, these people literally collected knowingly false information that they knew was paid for by a political opponent.

00:13:34.000 Then they went to a federal court and said, we are going to surveil you because we don't like you.

00:13:39.000 Just think of it, Charlie, for your audience.

00:13:41.000 If your dad, your mom, your sister, your friend, the FBI decided to tailgate them because an ex-boyfriend or lover went to them and said, this person's terrible.

00:13:49.000 You got to be on my side.

00:13:50.000 I'm going to give you $10 million. 0.98

00:13:51.000 And here's a whole bunch of trash that's false on them. 0.99

00:13:53.000 Go surveil them. 0.99

00:13:54.000 And then try to send them to prison.

00:13:56.000 But I mean, this is what frustrates me, right? 0.95

00:13:58.000 I used to support all this garbage when I didn't know any better, Patriot Act and all this stuff, right? 0.96

00:14:02.000 But now I think it's all a bunch of crap, which is we're now spying on moms and dads using FBI threat assessment tags, right? 0.96

00:14:09.000 I mean, is this all this connected in some way that if they don't feel as if there is a punishment or a consequence for abusing these instruments of power, then yeah, they're going to go spy on the parents next. 0.95

00:14:21.000 Yeah.

00:14:21.000 Exactly.

00:14:22.000 And so that's, but here's, here's, here's where I think you get it right and where most people get it wrong.

00:14:26.000 It's not a one-off.

00:14:27.000 It's not like these, these guys are evil, but they're geniuses.

00:14:31.000 They started this plan for Russia gate takedown of Trump when he was running for president, but they weren't like, we're going to stop when we defeat him as they thought they would.

00:14:38.000 They continued into government.

00:14:40.000 But what did they do once they got in government?

00:14:42.000 They used their political skills.

00:14:44.000 I hate to call them that, but to go in and see deep state officials into places like the FBI and say, how do we advance our knowledge now that Trump's in?

00:14:53.000 How do we take him out?

00:14:54.000 And we take them out by calling parents domestic terrorists because they support Donald Trump.

00:14:58.000 We call people racist because they support Donald Trump.

00:15:01.000 We call CRT, they call it the bedrock of fundamental learning.

00:15:05.000 And I call the plot against the king the bedrock of fundamental learning, right?

00:15:09.000 But they advanced that because the political leaders did their work for them.

00:15:13.000 And not just under this administration, they did it under Donald Trump and his appointees, too.

00:15:18.000 That's the part that ticked me off the most.

00:15:20.000 Yeah, and you saw it from every angle, right?

00:15:22.000 So you saw it from being a staffer for Devon.

00:15:25.000 You saw it from being, I think, chief of staff, right?

00:15:27.000 Acting chief of staff for Department of Defense, right?

00:15:30.000 And being actually within our military and all that.

00:15:32.000 And you've seen it from every possible angle.

00:15:34.000 And so now there is kind of this remnant investigation.

00:15:38.000 It kind of is like the last gasp of the American justice system.

00:15:42.000 And I believe that if this does not end in serious, consequential perp walks and indictments, that I don't think we're prepared for the cynical asteroid that's going to hit American conservatism.

00:15:55.000 That's a great way to put it.

00:15:56.000 And I've never heard it put quite like that.

00:15:58.000 You're absolutely right.

00:15:59.000 Accountability.

00:16:00.000 That's why I went in to become a terrorism prosecutor, to take out terrorists who killed Americans, right?

00:16:05.000 That's why a lot of us signed up for the national security mission, accountability.

00:16:09.000 But what pissed me off and why I left the Department of Justice is the lack of internal accountability when people within DOJ and FBI break the law, Hillary Clinton email server scandal, Russia Gate, whatever, what have you.

00:16:20.000 Ukraine impeachment fiasco, uranium one, talk about whatever you want, right?

00:16:24.000 Corrupt officials, we showed, we use Russia Gate to show that it didn't just happen there.

00:16:28.000 It happened everywhere.

00:16:29.000 What Americans are craving is the accountability that would have happened to them had they broke the law.

00:16:34.000 And you're right.

00:16:35.000 In Aristotle's metaphysics, and Socrates said the same thing, which is the human soul has a yearning for justice.

00:16:41.000 And I pay my taxes, you pay your tax.

00:16:43.000 I follow traffic laws.

00:16:44.000 We don't commit crimes.

00:16:45.000 And you see these people commit the most flagrant crimes and nothing happens to them.

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00:19:36.000 Cash, isn't the new studio great?

00:19:38.000 This studio is awesome.

00:19:40.000 And I'm glad that I'm like the first guest to be in here.

00:19:42.000 Yeah, you actually are.

00:19:43.000 You are the inaugural guest.

00:19:43.000 You are the first guest.

00:19:45.000 I'll take it.

00:19:46.000 So we're running your ad behind you, just so you know.

00:19:49.000 Okay, can I just talk about this real quick?

00:19:50.000 Please.

00:19:51.000 Yeah.

00:19:51.000 So what better way to go after the left than go to the heart of the enemy's kingdom?

00:19:57.000 So in Times Square, this billboard is literally launching in 20 minutes and it is going to play 100 times a day for the next week.

00:20:07.000 DurhamWatch.com.

00:20:08.000 We actually have the biggest theater and we're going to force it down the mainstream media's throats and every corrupt bureaucrat in New York City.

00:20:16.000 And we are going to educate the world on what Durham Watch is, what happened in Russia Gate.

00:20:20.000 And you can follow it.

00:20:21.000 I'm going to do live daily updates on truthsocial.cash for the for the trial.

00:20:26.000 And this is the first of three to come.

00:20:28.000 So there's jury selection and stuff happening right now.

00:20:30.000 So I love the billboard campaign.

00:20:34.000 So now I want to get into the nitty-gritty of this.

00:20:35.000 Okay.

00:20:36.000 So Sussman gets indicted.

00:20:38.000 Yes or no?

00:20:39.000 What do you think?

00:20:39.000 It's a DC jury.

00:20:40.000 Not indicted.

00:20:41.000 Convicted.

00:20:41.000 I'm sorry.

00:20:42.000 Yes.

00:20:42.000 I'm sorry.

00:20:43.000 He gets convicted.

00:20:44.000 You think so?

00:20:44.000 Because here's a quick reason, right?

00:20:47.000 Most conspiracies and most lies, they're like, he said, she said, he said, she said.

00:20:50.000 John Durham has him under oath saying.

00:20:53.000 What could the defense possibly say with the tax message?

00:20:55.000 They're going to do two things.

00:20:56.000 They're going to try to do this thing called jury nullification, which is unlawful.

00:20:59.000 They're going to be like, you have to feel so bad for our client.

00:21:02.000 Please don't convict him, right?

00:21:02.000 He saved the world.

00:21:04.000 It's the.

00:21:04.000 But they have a way to do that without doing it.

00:21:06.000 Right.

00:21:06.000 So you can't straight on say it, but they're going to be like, Sussman's a hero.

00:21:09.000 He was working for the right side.

00:21:10.000 High pressure campaign.

00:21:11.000 He was in a taxi when he sent it.

00:21:13.000 He didn't quite understand, like, or whatever.

00:21:14.000 And they're going to basically say this thing called materiality.

00:21:16.000 That's the key when you lie to a federal official.

00:21:18.000 They're going to be like, oh, yeah, he lied, but so what?

00:21:20.000 No big deal.

00:21:21.000 And John Durham's going to come in and be like, you lied about the most consequential investigation in U.S. history.

00:21:26.000 Of course, we rearranged assets when you came in, and it's material.

00:21:30.000 So people get off on DC stuff all the time if they're one of them.

00:21:34.000 Okay, but we'll see.

00:21:35.000 So let's say Sussman gets then convicted, 90-day window more or less, right?

00:21:40.000 Sentencing window before he has to face a judge.

00:21:43.000 Do you think Sussman then sings?

00:21:46.000 I think there's a good chance because he doesn't want to go to prison, right?

00:21:50.000 Right now, right now he's going to think.

00:21:52.000 But the minimum is what, three years?

00:21:54.000 Nah, it's probably for him.

00:21:55.000 And it's probably more like a one-to-two stretch in the federal pen.

00:21:59.000 Yeah, but like not in, it's going to be at like some farm in like Massachusetts.

00:22:03.000 And the reality is any, anybody in his position wouldn't get sentenced.

00:22:07.000 He'll get out in 60 days on good behavior.

00:22:09.000 So that's the kicker about federal prison that people don't realize.

00:22:09.000 No, no.

00:22:12.000 You do 85% of your sentence.

00:22:14.000 How did Michael Cohen get out so quickly?

00:22:16.000 Well, he got a, he got like a pardon from like the, for what's it called? COVID virus and all that stuff.

00:22:22.000 But we're, remember, the Libs ended China virus last.

00:22:24.000 Oh, that's right.

00:22:25.000 Got it.

00:22:25.000 Okay.

00:22:26.000 All right.

00:22:26.000 So federal, you have to do 85%.

00:22:28.000 85%.

00:22:29.000 There's no way to get out of it.

00:22:29.000 Yeah.

00:22:31.000 Unless you cooperate.

00:22:32.000 Okay.

00:22:33.000 Got it.

00:22:33.000 That's it.

00:22:34.000 But he's looking at a couple years here.

00:22:36.000 So then, but let's talk about how, let's say, let's say Durham gets nothing from him.

00:22:42.000 Then what?

00:22:42.000 Does Durham have enough to build up the ladder?

00:22:44.000 Yeah, because people, you know, I remind people, this is his third case, his first trial, but he already convicted the FBI of lying to the federal court.

00:22:51.000 And his monster indictment is the one behind this one that he's trying in a couple of months down the road, the Danchenko indictment, where he's got this guy charged with five counts of lying.

00:22:59.000 Now, is this the computer programmer guy?

00:23:01.000 No, that guy's.

00:23:02.000 So this is a great point, Charlie.

00:23:03.000 So Danchenko is the steel source.

00:23:06.000 He is the guy that sourced the information to steal.

00:23:08.000 And he literally went to the feds and said, all of this information is BS.

00:23:13.000 Why are you using it for anything?

00:23:14.000 But his problem was he lied to them five times over about other stuff.

00:23:17.000 So smartly, John Durham's like, I'm going to charge that guy.

00:23:20.000 Now, the guy you just alluded to, the tech guy, Joffey, right?

00:23:24.000 John Durham said in a pleading, I think two weeks ago, the tech executive that Sussman hired to do the Alphabank nonsense is a current target of my investigation judge.

00:23:34.000 I'm not done with him yet.

00:23:36.000 That was essential to this case that he's bringing against Sussman because the defense was like, we want immunity for the tech executive.

00:23:44.000 I don't know if you saw this.

00:23:45.000 The defense came in and said, Judge, you have to immunize this guy, which they can't do because they're afraid of what he's going to say.

00:23:50.000 Jaffe has now said to the government, I'm going to plead the fifth because I'm a target of a federal investigation.

00:23:57.000 Now, part of this, though, is also Sussman and all of them are kind of like, why is Durham coming so hard against us, right?

00:24:03.000 Like, the rules aren't supposed to apply to us.

00:24:07.000 That's 100% right because he's like, we are above it.

00:24:10.000 We saved America from Trump.

00:24:12.000 Why are you prosecuting?

00:24:14.000 Well, they didn't.

00:24:15.000 No, they didn't, but that's in their head.

00:24:16.000 Yes, that's the intent.

00:24:18.000 So then, how do you see this playing out?

00:24:20.000 What other indictments do you think as this kind of starts to build up to a crescendo?

00:24:25.000 How far are we from a crescendo of seeing the perp walks that we deserve?

00:24:29.000 Yeah, so this is the base mid-level of the pyramid, right?

00:24:31.000 The bottom, let's call it three layers.

00:24:33.000 This is levels three and two.

00:24:35.000 The top of the pyramid, and I always tell people: let's be realistic: you're not going to indict Hillary Clinton.

00:24:39.000 We're not going to indict James Comey.

00:24:40.000 They're way too smart. 0.98

00:24:41.000 They're way too evil.

00:24:42.000 But all roads have always said lead to Andy McCabe and Peter Strzok, the deputy director of the FBI and the head of the counterintelligence agency at the FBI that ran the Russia Gate investigation.

00:24:54.000 These two guys, I mind you, have been caught lying by the inspector general's office, were fired for those lies.

00:24:59.000 And now their own notes were released last week by the defense that the FBI put out themselves.

00:25:04.000 What do the notes say?

00:25:05.000 This is stunning.

00:25:06.000 They admitted that they knew for almost a year that the Russia Gate investigation was launched on false information.

00:25:14.000 They then went to the court four times and lied about it.

00:25:17.000 And they went to the American public and leaked it selectively.

00:25:21.000 And these notes show that they knew that.

00:25:23.000 So I've always said those guys are in the biggest trouble.

00:25:25.000 And if you can indict Andy McCabe and Peter Strzzok, that is the accountability that America needs, that justice demands.

00:25:32.000 So, yeah, I mean, but the McCabe thing, I thought that was already kind of handled.

00:25:32.000 Yeah.

00:25:39.000 So just for him lying about leaking, right?

00:25:42.000 Nothing about his activities related to Russia Gate has been handled.

00:25:45.000 But are you saying that Sussman was in coordination with McCabe and Strzok as well?

00:25:45.000 Right.

00:25:49.000 Is that right?

00:25:50.000 Yeah.

00:25:51.000 So was Sussman then he reached out to this general counsel guy and did McCabe and Strzok know that?

00:26:00.000 Yeah.

00:26:00.000 Do you know who was, and this is what John Durham brilliantly proved.

00:26:03.000 He put them all in one meeting in March of 2017, John Durham.

00:26:08.000 He put Strzok, Paige, Lisa Page, Andy McCabe, Baker, the acting attorney general, and other high-level DOJ employees in one meeting in one room talking about Michael Sussman's alphabet.

00:26:20.000 But he put them meaning he's figured out they were all in a room.

00:26:23.000 Through their own notes.

00:26:24.000 Okay, so Durham wasn't there, obviously.

00:26:25.000 Yeah, right, right.

00:26:25.000 I'm sorry.

00:26:26.000 Yes.

00:26:26.000 Okay.

00:26:27.000 So their own notes, there was kind of an all-hands-on-deck meeting in 16 or 17?

00:26:32.000 Both for six months about the Sussman Alpha Bank information, about the Steel Dossier information, how to handle it, what to do with it.

00:26:39.000 And they put in their own notes that they knew the information was bogus.

00:26:45.000 So why can't this go to Hillary or Comey? 0.99

00:26:49.000 I mean, you're talking about tens of millions of dollars.

00:26:51.000 Yeah.

00:26:52.000 It's insane amounts of money.

00:26:53.000 Here's the problem, right?

00:26:54.000 You know, what I think is John Durham's report can go to Comey and Clinton, and that's about as good as we're going to get.

00:27:01.000 I don't think the conventions can, because look, I used to work with James, literally with James Comey, right?

00:27:05.000 When he was running the FBI and I was a terrorism prosecutor.

00:27:08.000 The guy is too smart.

00:27:09.000 He knows how to put up walls and make sure it never comes back to him on a string.

00:27:14.000 But he's the first guy to throw everyone else under the bus.

00:27:19.000 Andy McCabe, Peter Strzok, Lisa Page, everyone.

00:27:21.000 So that's.

00:27:22.000 But I mean, if McCabe is facing 10 years in federal prison, he might sing.

00:27:26.000 But that's an unlikely thing, right?

00:27:27.000 I mean, he still wants his daughter to get into Harvard and like all this, you know, the perks of the ruling class or whatever, right?

00:27:33.000 Right, right.

00:27:34.000 So they will threaten all of that, right?

00:27:36.000 Parking pass rescinded, wife off some museum board, right? 0.99

00:27:40.000 No, do you and grandkids will never go to state all the way to the bottom?

00:27:42.000 Andy McCabe's wife ran for statewide office in Virginia.

00:27:42.000 People forget this.

00:27:46.000 Oh, that's right.

00:27:46.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:27:46.000 And Terry McCullough.

00:27:47.000 $700,000.

00:27:49.000 No, no, that's all part of the machine, right?

00:27:49.000 That's right.

00:27:51.000 It's part of the blackmail operation that exists there.

00:27:55.000 And so, yeah, I mean, I guess Clinton World is freaked out.

00:27:59.000 Elias, is he going to get indicted?

00:28:01.000 Oh, I think he is in even more trouble than Sussman. 1.00

00:28:03.000 So tell me why.

00:28:04.000 So Elias was the head honcho, right?

00:28:06.000 Michael Sussman was the co-partner when they orchestrated the entire operation, when they were both the heads of the political law department at Perkins Cooey, the law firm, right?

00:28:16.000 Mark Elias has made a name for himself going out and suing on behalf of Hillary Clinton and the Democrats, doing redistricting.

00:28:23.000 He is their, he's their legal guy.

00:28:25.000 And Mark Elias is the one that went out and hired Fusion GPS and went out and found, made Fusion GPS find Christopher Steele and orchestrated the whole narrative to have the Steele dossier as a tool to go spy on Donald Trump.

00:28:38.000 And so if you've noticed, Mark Elias left his law firm right before Sussman got indicted.

00:28:45.000 That's not a coincidence.

00:28:46.000 Took his political law practice elsewhere and has made no public statement since his partner Sussman got indicted because John Durham has basically told him, you are an unindicted co-conspirator.

00:28:58.000 Which very well could become an indicted co-conspirator.

00:29:00.000 Which very well could be.

00:29:01.000 Why hasn't it happened yet?

00:29:03.000 So when you build cases like this, and this is what I used to do, I would get the guy I needed to nail first, right?

00:29:08.000 And I would put out in my indictment that I have unindicted co-conspirators, essentially what John Dermis said.

00:29:13.000 I have a joint venture conspiracy.

00:29:15.000 I've got all these other folks here that I'm looking at.

00:29:17.000 So you get the first guy because then you can go to the others.

00:29:21.000 And once you charge them and be like, I already convicted this guy, I'm going to convict every one of you other people.

00:29:26.000 I need one of you to sting. 0.99

00:29:27.000 Who's it going to be?

00:29:29.000 That's how you methodically build up.

00:29:30.000 Elias has a lot of secrets, though.

00:29:32.000 A lot deeper than just this, though.

00:29:33.000 Elias is the gatekeeper of the ballot election stuff.

00:29:37.000 I'm telling you, Elias is like, he's.

00:29:40.000 But that's why you don't go after him first.

00:29:42.000 I know, but you want to talk about a guy that if you ever, if you ever had a truth serum and you could have an hour with somebody, he'd tell you everything, man.

00:29:50.000 Well, I mean, he would know everything.

00:29:52.000 I'm sorry.

00:29:53.000 And he might.

00:29:53.000 He might be forced to once.

00:29:54.000 I don't know.

00:29:55.000 He's pretty loyal to the regime.

00:29:56.000 And they're loyal to him, though.

00:29:57.000 I mean, you want to talk.

00:29:58.000 He was the mastermind behind Stacey Abrams, mastermind behind Center for Technology and Civic Life.

00:30:04.000 He's suing in every corner across the country for redistricting.

00:30:07.000 I mean, he's a slippery guy. 0.98

00:30:09.000 No, he's a total weasel. 1.00

00:30:11.000 He's a complete idiot. 1.00

00:30:12.000 And he's made a fortune out of being one of the Democrats' strongest legal minds. 1.00

00:30:18.000 But that's what they do better than us.

00:30:19.000 They back him and he backs them.

00:30:21.000 And we never coalesce like they do.

00:30:23.000 That's what I'm saying.

00:30:24.000 What about Podesta?

00:30:25.000 Is Podesta in any of this?

00:30:26.000 He's in the middle of it.

00:30:27.000 He's been identified and named by John Durham in the Sussman case as the guy who led the Clinton campaign, who testified to me under oath about his relationship and involvement.

00:30:37.000 Podesta testified to you?

00:30:38.000 Yeah.

00:30:38.000 Podesta did.

00:30:39.000 Sullivan did.

00:30:40.000 Elias did.

00:30:41.000 All of these depositions are available online now.

00:30:44.000 Rick Rinnell and I declassified them.

00:30:46.000 This is when you were running off this.

00:30:49.000 Oh, this is at DNI.

00:30:49.000 So, no, so here's a quick story.

00:30:51.000 I took 60 depositions under oath when I was at Congress running Russia Gates, Susman, Elias, all these people, attorney generals, everyone.

00:30:58.000 Adam Schiff comes in and buries them under classification.

00:31:00.000 Fast forward two years down the road, Rick and I are running DNI.

00:31:03.000 We go out and release every single transcript.

00:31:05.000 They're on the internet.

00:31:06.000 They're everywhere.

00:31:07.000 They're on fightwithcash.com.

00:31:08.000 Every single transcript.

00:31:10.000 Your audience can go and read them and see what we set up as their conspiracy.

00:31:14.000 Yeah, I suppose what I'm getting at, and we're going to have you back as these kinds develops.

00:31:17.000 I want to kind of have a board of how this all connects is how high can this go to both serve justice, which is to give every man what is their due.

00:31:25.000 And boy, is there a big due for these people, but also just to kind of send a little bit of a message to our base that the rule of law still exists in America, that it's not some sort of mirage.

00:31:35.000 It's not an aberration.

00:31:36.000 This is not some sort of kind of meaningless exercise, right?

00:31:40.000 Because a lot of people right now are going through intentional decisions every day to be ethical and to be a good person.

00:31:47.000 And if you feel you're represented by this banana republic and by kind of a cartel of criminals, you start to have a pattern of behavior.

00:31:55.000 I don't think we are willing to really go under.

00:31:58.000 I don't think you don't, you know, I don't want to live in a country where every normal person says, yeah, if you just want to commit crimes, run for Congress.

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00:33:11.000 We've been talking about all sorts of different, I mean, we've kind of been focusing mostly on the Sussman thing, the Durham thing.

00:33:16.000 Just to close that up, what's the timeline here?

00:33:18.000 What do you think?

00:33:19.000 Jury selection is underway right now.

00:33:21.000 That usually takes one to two days in federal court.

00:33:23.000 This is a document-heavy, witness-heavy case.

00:33:26.000 So it'll probably go about 10 days, is my estimate.

00:33:29.000 Seven to 10 days.

00:33:30.000 So if we get a conviction or verdict, I should say, by the end of next week, we're doing good on time.

00:33:35.000 It might be a little longer.

00:33:37.000 Yeah, and I sure hope so.

00:33:38.000 I mean, the way this is progressing now, it still remains unclear as all that kind of continues.

00:33:43.000 Okay, you spent a lot of time at the president.

00:33:45.000 Where's his head at with kind of how things are progressing politically?

00:33:49.000 I mean, there's rumors he's going to run in 24.

00:33:52.000 What do you think?

00:33:52.000 I mean, I think they're past rumors.

00:33:54.000 I'm not going to end that sentence with the conversation I had with him two weeks ago when we were golfing down in Mar-a-Lago.

00:33:59.000 But he's, as you know, just as well as I do, he's extremely politically involved in everything on the midterms.

00:34:06.000 He's raising money for his super PAC.

00:34:07.000 He's going around the country doing rallies for governors, for Senate candidates and the like.

00:34:12.000 He wants to go out there and win big in the midterms and make sure that he wins with candidates who are going to defeat the people that voted to impeach him and the rhinos that basically helped get him out of office. 0.90

00:34:24.000 So he's as motivated as I've ever seen him.

00:34:26.000 But the kicker is he's in the best mood and spirits and health as I've ever seen him.

00:34:31.000 Yeah, he looks great.

00:34:32.000 He looks great.

00:34:33.000 He's super happy.

00:34:34.000 He is back on social media, which has landed him.

00:34:37.000 Yeah, so you're involved in Truth Social.

00:34:39.000 Yes.

00:34:40.000 It's going well.

00:34:41.000 It's going well.

00:34:41.000 So I have to now publicly disclose that I'm a board member of Truth Social.

00:34:44.000 Oh, is that right?

00:34:45.000 There's all these security laws.

00:34:46.000 Yeah, apparently, otherwise they'll come after me.

00:34:48.000 But anyway.

00:34:50.000 Do you own shares?

00:34:51.000 Do you have to do that too?

00:34:52.000 I get no money and I get no compensation.

00:34:54.000 I'm the one guy, Charlie, that picks up more and more roles along the way, and nobody pays me for any of them.

00:35:00.000 Well, I don't feel sorry.

00:35:03.000 So I think, so we unleashed the boss on Truth Social, what, two weeks ago?

00:35:07.000 And his following alone is 3 million human beings.

00:35:11.000 No bots, right?

00:35:12.000 No bots.

00:35:13.000 Zero bots because we have Devin Nunes as the CEO running the company.

00:35:16.000 And on top of that, the Elon Musk stuff.

00:35:19.000 We got to talk about that.

00:35:19.000 Yeah, tell me.

00:35:20.000 So people are like, what is Elon doing with Twitter?

00:35:23.000 And I literally went to the Boston Devon and I said, this is, just stay out of the way.

00:35:27.000 This is the best advertising Truth Social could have ever asked and never pay for any of it.

00:35:33.000 He's going out there and advocating for free speech, which we all should be doing anyway.

00:35:37.000 He's going out there and saying Twitter is full of more than 10 to 15% bots.

00:35:41.000 Twitter came after him just the other night because Twitter's legal department said, you can't tweet that.

00:35:47.000 We have bots on our platform.

00:35:48.000 They went nuts.

00:35:50.000 People are leaving Twitter.

00:35:51.000 He's firing the heads of Twitter.

00:35:52.000 I don't know that he's going to be able to.

00:35:54.000 I say I support Elon and what he's doing.

00:35:55.000 I don't know if he's going to complete the sale either, but what he's done is he might unintentionally just completely break the company.

00:36:02.000 It's either he owns it and he'll turn it into something beautiful because I think that's what Elon does.

00:36:05.000 He does it phenomenally well, or he'll be like, wait a second, this actually has more bots than I realize.

00:36:09.000 I'm not going to go along.

00:36:10.000 But just think of that concept, Charlie.

00:36:12.000 An individual who could one man who could come in and either make, remake Twitter or destroy it.

00:36:18.000 Who would have ever even thought that was possible?

00:36:21.000 Six to eight people.

00:36:22.000 Well, it takes the courage of Elon.

00:36:23.000 It really does.

00:36:24.000 I mean, and whether it's, let's see how much courage he does have because they're threatening DOJ investigations and SEC investments.

00:36:30.000 I mean, that's the way the regime works, right?

00:36:32.000 Censorship is central to their plans.

00:36:35.000 If you can't shut people up, well, no, that's why Twitter themselves came after him and said you violated a non-disclosure agreement.

00:36:41.000 That's right.

00:36:41.000 Now we're going to refer you to the SEC and DOJ.

00:36:44.000 Yes, that's right.

00:36:44.000 But the thing about Elon, he's like, I don't care about that.

00:36:46.000 You know, like, I don't know the guy, but you can see how he operates.

00:36:49.000 That's not going to stop him.

00:36:50.000 There's, there's a, um, there's an his superpower is also his greatest liability, which is he's kind of on the spectrum in the way where like he doesn't, like the kind of social awareness thing doesn't care.

00:37:02.000 I think that's awesome, by the way.

00:37:04.000 I think that we could all learn something.

00:37:05.000 No, if you're looking at him, he's tweeting at like 2 a.m. about NDA violations and things like that because that's how hard he works.

00:37:12.000 And, you know, and look, actually, we just launched the desktop version of Truth Social.

00:37:16.000 So now we're on laptop computers and computers everywhere.

00:37:19.000 Well, I just, that's awesome.

00:37:20.000 I just laugh when these journalists are saying, Elon Musk is destroying society.

00:37:23.000 I said, if Elon Musk put some brain power towards destroying society, you wouldn't want to see what he came up with.

00:37:29.000 Like Elon Musk, a year in the basement, like he could do killer robots or something.

00:37:33.000 Buying Twitter, you should be thanking him.

00:37:34.000 No, no.

00:37:35.000 And just staying on Elon, but shifting gears a little bit.

00:37:38.000 As chief of staff at the Department of Defense, right?

00:37:40.000 Our biggest chunk of budget to a private contracting entity went to all of Elon Musk's company, Space Corps.

00:37:47.000 But hang on.

00:37:47.000 We did it.

00:37:48.000 Do you know how much money that guy saved us in space?

00:37:50.000 Do you know how much we are dominating in space because of government?

00:37:55.000 So that's a legitimate thing.

00:37:56.000 It's a legitimate program.

00:37:58.000 And he saved us, I'm not kidding you, 20 to 30 billion.

00:38:01.000 So we could send it to Ukraine.

00:38:02.000 Right, exactly.

00:38:04.000 And Pelosi can buy Pelotons.

00:38:06.000 Yeah.

00:38:08.000 FightwithCash.com, the plot against the king.

00:38:10.000 Sure, hope that there's some perp walk soon.

00:38:12.000 I'm counting on you, Cash.

00:38:13.000 You have nothing to do with it, but I'm going to blame you anyway.

00:38:15.000 No, just blame me.

00:38:16.000 It's okay.

00:38:16.000 Cash, you're a great American.

00:38:18.000 Thanks for joining us.

00:38:21.000 Thank you so much for listening, everybody.

00:38:23.000 Email me your thoughts as always: freedom at charliekirk.com and support the Charlie Kirk show at charliekirk.com/slash support.

00:38:30.000 Thank you so much for listening.

00:38:31.000 God bless.

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