The Charlie Kirk Show - The Terrorists Among Us with Kash Patel and Dinesh D’Souza

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00:01:32.000 Cash, welcome to the program.

00:01:33.000 Cash, tell us about how our government is being infiltrated.

00:01:36.000 I wish the following were fiction.

00:01:38.000 It's good to be with you.

00:01:38.000 Look, I'll just give you three quick examples.

00:01:41.000 The top envoy for the president, for President Biden, Robert Mallee, has been suspended by the FBI.

00:01:47.000 His security clearance has been suspended.

00:01:50.000 And they have not provided us with any details as to why other than saying he mishandled classified documents.

00:01:55.000 I can see the humor in that already.

00:01:57.000 So the guy that's supposed to keep us out of war is on the sidelines on us on leave of absence.

00:02:02.000 He himself installed one of his former employees, Ariana Tatabai, a Palestinian, excuse me, an Iranian American, as the chief of staff for the Secretary of Defense for Special Operations.

00:02:13.000 That is a massive position.

00:02:15.000 She has now been caught emailing the Iranian foreign ministry while in the United States of America when her job was to advance American interest against Iranians and ask for their permission to do that job.

00:02:29.000 We reported this to the Department of Defense.

00:02:31.000 She still has a top secret security clearance along with code word access and is still employed there.

00:02:36.000 And lastly, you have Mehar Battar, the number one intelligence operator at the White House.

00:02:42.000 He's the head of intelligence programs, formerly Adam Schiff's bagman, liar of Russia Gate, is now a Palestinian pro-national, and we've got the photo for it. 0.91

00:02:52.000 And he's in charge of what intelligence collection is prioritized.

00:02:56.000 He is standing in a photo in front of a wall that says pro end apartheid in Israel.

00:03:03.000 So how did these people ever get security clearances?

00:03:07.000 I mean, and how many of them have security clearances?

00:03:09.000 Actually, can you just repeat that and go through that?

00:03:11.000 Let's start there.

00:03:12.000 Yeah.

00:03:13.000 So all three of these individuals have the highest security clearances in the land.

00:03:18.000 A top secret, secure compartmented information access, along with code word and special access programs, as we call them.

00:03:25.000 SAPS.

00:03:26.000 Mahar, specifically at the intelligence office in the National Security Council, possesses the highest security clearance there is.

00:03:34.000 And the lady is chief of staff for special operations DOD is not far behind her. 0.93

00:03:39.000 And Robert Malley would have had access to our most sensitive Iranian programs and collections as this presidential envoy for Iran.

00:03:47.000 And somehow, two or three of them still have their security clearances.

00:03:51.000 Two of three of them are still employed.

00:03:53.000 And people keep asking me, how did we miss the war by Hamas? 0.55

00:03:58.000 Is how you miss it when you're not looking for it and you have an Iranian. 1.00

00:04:01.000 Are you suggesting that these people in the American government knew that Hamas was building up military presence and that our own government hid the intel so Jews could get killed?

00:04:12.000 I think it's a little more detailed than that.

00:04:16.000 Saying that there was intelligence that Hamas was going to attack Israel is like saying we have found new evidence that the cartels were going to ship drugs into the United States of America.

00:04:25.000 That intel is there every day, all day long, and it's developed continuously.

00:04:30.000 But when you have leadership like these individuals like Joe Biden, who tell the intelligence community our priority is climate change, our priority is the setting sun.

00:04:40.000 The existential threat to the world, as John Kirby said on the lawn of the White House just two weeks ago for President Biden, is climate change.

00:04:48.000 When you do that, you just move over the beams of collection and the people doing the work and they're forced off mission.

00:04:55.000 And this is what happens.

00:04:56.000 So tell us about this Iran experts initiative.

00:04:59.000 It started in 2014.

00:05:01.000 It seems like an influence scheme.

00:05:03.000 And Cash, we had, I mean, you know, this Michael Flynn went through hell for being a quote-unquote foreign asset.

00:05:10.000 Right.

00:05:10.000 I mean, I could go through the list, but we have actual foreign assets now with high-level security clearances that might be leaking and or back channeling to our enemies.

00:05:21.000 Like, what's going on here?

00:05:22.000 Does the Department of Justice exist anymore?

00:05:25.000 No.

00:05:25.000 Look, Semaphore and Revolver have done some fantastic reporting on this, but the Iranian initiatives that you're talking about is literally a covert operation play from the Ministry of Defense, the place that was led by Javed Zarif, one of the Ayatollah's bagmen.

00:05:40.000 And what they do is they seed people in not just the United States, but other places that are enemies of Israel into positions of power.

00:05:48.000 How do you ask that Ariana Tabate, the lady I said that is chief of staff at DOD special ops, how does she have a relationship with the Iranian foreign ministry and then get a job conducting special operations policy decisions at the Pentagon? 1.00

00:06:03.000 She has been in communication with the Iranian initiative for a decade that we can now see going back to 2014.

00:06:10.000 Then she went to work for Robert Malley and Robert Mallee, mind you, was the principal architect of Obama's JCPOA, the Iran nuclear deal.

00:06:19.000 These coincidences are not coincidences.

00:06:22.000 These are a collateralized effort by the Iranian regime to layer in a offensive mechanism to weaken the United States. 0.79

00:06:32.000 And look where we are today.

00:06:33.000 So do we have any guesses as to why Malley put on leave?

00:06:38.000 Well, that's the question that everyone should be asking, Charlie.

00:06:42.000 This, of all the things they could have done, Chris Ray's FBI, who unlawfully investigated me and so many other Americans while I was doing my job in Congress, stripped this person of his security clearance and provided no details of it.

00:06:57.000 If they did that decision, that means there was some monumental breach of the security clearance process and his handling of classified information involving Iran.

00:07:07.000 But we're never going to find out because this Congress and the House Intelligence Committee for the Republican majority has been woefully absent on this issue.

00:07:15.000 Like this should be the only thing they're answering because if there was a larger leak and there are more associates involved in this Iranian infiltration, then we need to know that.

00:07:27.000 Yeah, I mean, and I guess like, where is the oversight?

00:07:30.000 It's completely and totally non-existent.

00:07:32.000 But also, I mean, aren't these people violating the Ford Agent Registration Act?

00:07:37.000 Well, they're violating so many different things.

00:07:39.000 If you're working at the behest of a foreign government against American interest, if you're working at the behest of a foreign government and lobbying U.S. interests and didn't register, I mean, there's fraud, there's corruption, conspiracy, so many charges.

00:07:52.000 But to me, that's secondary than the fact that these three individuals are in power, and we don't know why the most powerful of them all was removed.

00:08:02.000 And he has installed the Ariana over at the DOD, and she was allowed to keep her security clearance.

00:08:09.000 Here's the kicker.

00:08:10.000 The lady that cleared Ariana Tabate over at the DOD after this information was brought to light was Rihanna Warkala. 0.95

00:08:16.000 Do you know who that is?

00:08:18.000 She was Mahar Batar's number two on the House Intel Committee for Adam Schiff.

00:08:22.000 Those two people wrote the Schiff memo.

00:08:24.000 These people are calling balls and strikes.

00:08:26.000 So let me ask you, just generally, are there people in our government loyal to multiple countries?

00:08:32.000 Seems like it.

00:08:33.000 I hate to say that, but it seems, and look, as good as we are, you got to remember the CIA had a Russian asset infiltrate their systems for what, 15, 20 years?

00:08:44.000 Same with the FBI.

00:08:45.000 These guys are in federal prison.

00:08:46.000 I think one of them just died like last month.

00:08:48.000 But it's not news that they're doing this.

00:08:51.000 And it's not news that the newest enemy in the modern era, Iran, has been doing this for 10, 20 years. 0.98

00:08:58.000 And now they have a fresh funding cycle from the CCP and a global war distraction for Joe Biden on two fronts.

00:09:06.000 And they are taking advantage of that terrain.

00:09:09.000 And this does not even touch on the Brookings Institution, Middle Eastern money into university campuses, Middle Eastern money into 501c3, 501c4s, CARE, the Council for American Islamic Relations.

00:09:23.000 I mean, basically what we have here is people within the American government loyal to Ukraine, Iran, Pakistan, China, all feuding with each other.

00:09:31.000 America is like a colony of the entire planet, and our government represents every other country except our own. 0.62

00:09:37.000 Yeah, and you raise a good point.

00:09:38.000 Look, what's going on at the southern border is directly related to the conversation we're having.

00:09:43.000 Iranians and the CCP have been seeding terrorists through our southern border.

00:09:48.000 DHS just admitted that at least two dozen have got in in the last year and they've lost them.

00:09:53.000 They've lost them in the United States of America.

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00:10:59.000 Cash sleeper cells in the United States that might be activated.

00:11:03.000 Hamas and Hezbollah terrorists could already be in the U.S. Your reaction.

00:11:07.000 They're already here.

00:11:08.000 And you don't have to take my word for it.

00:11:10.000 DHS Secretary Mayorkis of the Biden administration admitted a couple of months ago that at least two dozen known terrorist affiliates with organizations like Hamas and Hezbollah in Iran have entered illegally through our southern border.

00:11:23.000 And the DHS and the FBI do not know where they are today.

00:11:27.000 Now, that's what they're admitting.

00:11:28.000 When you have 275,000 illegals cross this country every month, two dozen to me sounds like a low estimate.

00:11:36.000 But here's the reality.

00:11:38.000 What if there's more?

00:11:39.000 How about if there's only one or two and those guys get activated and you have another 9-11 on U.S. soil? 0.85

00:11:45.000 And remember, the one thing with terrorists, they have, or the two things, are a hatred for America and an incredible amount of patience.

00:11:52.000 So they will wait and see themselves in the community for years.

00:11:55.000 And no one has anything to say about Maorkis or Chris Ray and their efforts to locate these people.

00:12:01.000 They're just saying they're out there somewhere and the fake news is just steamrolling over that media cycle.

00:12:08.000 Let's play cut nine. 0.68

00:12:09.000 The intel arm of CBP has a new bulletin out and the headline is pretty alarming.

00:12:14.000 It says in bold letters right at the top, foreign fighters of Israel-Hamas conflict may be encountered at Southwest border.

00:12:21.000 The Daily Caller got a copy of this material.

00:12:23.000 It was distributed three days ago, and it's about Hamas, Hezbollah, or Islamic Jihad fighters exploiting the poorest border to get into the U.S. Part of the concern is that terrorists can see a ton of traffic down there.

00:12:35.000 One, rather, the new number is 2.48 million encounters in a fiscal year, and among them at least 172 people from the terror watch list.

00:12:45.000 So these are just people we know of, right, Cash, not the Godaways that are in the interior of the United States. 0.60

00:12:50.000 That's a key point.

00:12:52.000 These are the ones the Biden administration is telling us about.

00:12:55.000 These 24 are the ones the Biden administration is saying they were encountered and lost.

00:13:00.000 The Iranian regime and the CCP and the Russians are combining forces with other terrorist organizations around the world to seed these people into America because it is in their collective interest. 0.86

00:13:12.000 They don't care if it's Russian, Chinese, or Iranian.

00:13:15.000 They just care that they're here and they're funneling that money and system through our southern border.

00:13:21.000 And your point is spot on.

00:13:23.000 Where is Congress or anyone with oversight or executive branch authority to say, what about the people that we don't know about?

00:13:30.000 What are we doing to protect everyday American communities, schools, houses of worships?

00:13:35.000 What is our law enforcement doing or assisted with by the federal government to track these people down?

00:13:41.000 And there's no answer from this White House on any of that.

00:13:44.000 So, Cash, you've spent some time in the House of Representatives.

00:13:47.000 What is your advice to try to get a speaker and proceed?

00:13:50.000 Because we have this funding deadline coming up.

00:13:52.000 And also, there's very little to any oversight happening now.

00:13:55.000 It's as if the whole House has just been vaporized the last three weeks.

00:14:00.000 Your thoughts, Kash Patel.

00:14:02.000 Yeah, look, I mean, I know a lot of those folks over there.

00:14:04.000 A lot of them are my friends, but it's not like they had oversight and hyperdrive before this whole speaker debunked.

00:14:09.000 And it's not like they can't continue the oversight right now.

00:14:12.000 The thing they can't continue is legislating.

00:14:14.000 And the ironic thing of all that is they can't continue a CR and an omnibus if they can't find a speaker, which I think is ironic since those things are actually illegal when you look at them and have been destroying America for decades.

00:14:25.000 But in oversight, like the House Intelligence Committee should be just doing one thing, issuing subpoenas for the three individuals we talked about, Robert O'Malley, Mahar Battar, and Arnold.

00:14:35.000 Yeah, I agree.

00:14:36.000 We're giving all the documents.

00:14:38.000 How many subpoenas have they issued?

00:14:39.000 House Intel, zero.

00:14:41.000 How is that possible?

00:14:43.000 I don't know.

00:14:44.000 Maybe we need to go back there and run it ourselves, but these guys just don't want to do the oversight.

00:14:47.000 No, but is that Congress-wide?

00:14:49.000 No subpoenas or just House Intel?

00:14:51.000 That's House Intel.

00:14:52.000 I know judiciary and oversight, OGR have issued like six, but again, you can issue subpoenas.

00:14:57.000 And if you don't enforce them, when they violate the law, Chris Ray and Merrick Garland, they're completely meaningless.

00:15:03.000 And we haven't enforced a single one.

00:15:04.000 We haven't exacted a price out of their felonious conduct.

00:15:07.000 And we've done so at the failure to the American people's constitutional oversight.

00:15:11.000 Yeah, I mean, I don't understand what the House is doing.

00:15:13.000 It's unbelievable.

00:15:15.000 And they kind of just sit on their hands and want more money.

00:15:18.000 Okay, Cash Prayer.

00:15:19.000 Charlie Kirk for Speaker of the House.

00:15:20.000 Yeah, not quite.

00:15:21.000 I would win four votes.

00:15:23.000 All right.

00:15:23.000 Thank you, Cash.

00:15:24.000 Appreciate it.

00:15:25.000 Thanks, bud.

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00:16:30.000 Welcome to the program, Dinesh D'Souza, filmmaker of Police State.

00:16:34.000 Dinesh, I want to play the trailer first, and then we will dive into it.

00:16:37.000 Play cut 28, please.

00:16:41.000 Donald Trump and the MIGA Republicans represent an extremism that threatens the very foundations of our republic. 0.98

00:16:55.000 Chief Division Council and DOJ have approved a no-not breach.

00:17:00.000 We want the subject to be on display.

00:17:03.000 Looking the walk of shame, full visual impact.

00:17:07.000 Any questions?

00:17:09.000 Are we becoming a police state?

00:17:12.000 Government told American citizens they couldn't go to church on Sunday.

00:17:15.000 I've never seen anything like it.

00:17:16.000 It may be the Russia other people grew up in, but not my America. 0.63

00:17:19.000 Get me out of warrant.

00:17:20.000 Come to the door now.

00:17:21.000 If they're coming for me, they're coming for you.

00:17:23.000 Hands on your head.

00:17:24.000 These are anti-government.

00:17:26.000 We have freedom of religion and freedom of speech.

00:17:29.000 Violent extremists, and they must be dealt with.

00:17:33.000 We can do anything we want.

00:17:37.000 Police state.

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00:17:49.000 Dinesh, tell us all about it.

00:17:51.000 Well, it's a film that asks a very startling question that if we had asked it just a few years ago, people would think we were nuts.

00:17:58.000 They would think I was making a film about maybe China or Iran or North Korea.

00:18:03.000 But suddenly we can, with all seriousness, look in the mirror and ask, is America still a free society?

00:18:10.000 I mean, just go down the basic liberties in the Bill of Rights, and you'll see that every single one of them has been threatened, has been abridged.

00:18:18.000 Freedom of speech, freedom of conscience or religious liberty, a right to assemble, the right to petition the government for grievances, equal rights and equal justice under the law.

00:18:28.000 I mean, can we say with a straight face that even one of those basic rights is now fully secure?

00:18:34.000 I think the answer is no.

00:18:36.000 Yeah, and so it's interesting, the timing.

00:18:39.000 You would think that it would be a bad chain of events to have your movie come out.

00:18:44.000 I think it's the opposite.

00:18:45.000 Foreign war, Israel, Hamas. 0.83

00:18:48.000 But actually, I think it's super appropriate because it shows that the government is so worried about political dissidents while ignoring other potential homeland threats and sleeper cells.

00:18:58.000 Talk about that, Dinesh.

00:18:59.000 Yeah, this is a very profound point.

00:19:01.000 How did U.S. intelligence, which has massive resources and all the benefits of the most modern technology, how did they have no idea that a thousand Hamas fighters were going to come into Israel, sometimes from the air, fully visible?

00:19:17.000 Not only did Israel miss this, but we missed it.

00:19:20.000 I think it's because our intelligence agencies have been focused domestically.

00:19:20.000 Why?

00:19:25.000 Now, how do we know that?

00:19:27.000 Because they tell us.

00:19:27.000 Christopher Wray goes before Congress, he says domestic terrorism and domestic extremism.

00:19:33.000 That is their elastic phrase to pull in you, Charlie, and Turning Point.

00:19:38.000 It pulls in Reitbart, it pulls in the Heritage Foundation.

00:19:42.000 So suddenly these organizations, mainstream conservatives, are seen as a bigger threat or perhaps a threat equivalent to ISIS and Al-Qaeda.

00:19:50.000 It's almost unbelievable.

00:19:52.000 And so talk about some of the revelations you had when putting together this film.

00:19:58.000 I mean, it's so naked.

00:19:59.000 It's so aggressive.

00:20:00.000 And the FBI is now coming out and they deny, oh, no, we're not going after this, even though they have a separate threat assessment in a newsweek.com article.

00:20:08.000 So Dinesh, I'm always curious about this when you do these projects.

00:20:11.000 You come into it with probably some ideas and preconceptions.

00:20:15.000 What did you learn in the process of doing this that was especially eye-opening?

00:20:21.000 Well, first of all, I reframed the issue as I started looking at it.

00:20:25.000 My initial thought was, are we becoming a police state?

00:20:28.000 In fact, I asked my buddies over at the Rasmussen survey, Rasmussen survey, and they did a survey that showed that 75% of people approximately think we are becoming a police state.

00:20:38.000 And I thought, wow, that's interesting.

00:20:39.000 Democrats do?

00:20:41.000 Well, if you talk to people on the left, they say, yeah, Dinesh, America is becoming a police state.

00:20:46.000 And the threat is coming from the right.

00:20:48.000 It's coming from Republicans.

00:20:50.000 It's coming from Trump.

00:20:51.000 It's coming from people who want to take away abortion rights and take away the rights of the trans people and so on.

00:20:57.000 So you've got this bizarre debate in which the question really to ask is not are we becoming a police state, but who's doing it?

00:21:04.000 Who's behind it?

00:21:04.000 And so I say, all right, let's look at how this police state got started.

00:21:08.000 Let's look at its defining features.

00:21:10.000 Let's look at how it's organized.

00:21:12.000 Let's look at who's in charge.

00:21:14.000 And then we'll have absolutely no doubt about who's behind the modern American police state.

00:21:20.000 I have two kinds of people in the film.

00:21:22.000 I have a lot of whistleblowers, informants, people who sort of explain the architecture of the police state.

00:21:27.000 I mean, how is this thing organized?

00:21:29.000 It is very distinctive elements here in America.

00:21:32.000 And the second type of person I have in the film is ordinary Americans who have come face to face with the police state.

00:21:39.000 And this is really important because there's going to be people who go, well, I'm not Donald Trump and I didn't go in the Capitol on January 6th and I pay my taxes.

00:21:47.000 And so this police state has nothing to do with me.

00:21:50.000 The FBI is never going to come bashing through my door.

00:21:53.000 And my message to that guy is you could not be more wrong.

00:21:57.000 Yeah, and it's not, the police state isn't coming.

00:22:00.000 It's already here.

00:22:01.000 And so I guess one of the frustrations I have, Dinesh, is why are Republicans still funding this?

00:22:08.000 I think Republicans, and we saw this with the Jim Jordan secret vote, that was really telling because it shows that the Republican Party is divided right down the middle.

00:22:17.000 Now, it's not divided, I don't think, between people who are like conservative and or not conservative or true Republicans versus rhinos. 0.98

00:22:26.000 I think the real division is this.

00:22:27.000 On the one side, you've got a group of Republicans, a little more than half, who recognize we're no longer in the Reagan era.

00:22:34.000 Our old tactics don't really work.

00:22:36.000 We're now in a domestic Cold War and a new situation that calls for new tactics.

00:22:41.000 And that's the MAGA wing of the Republican Party.

00:22:44.000 And then you've got a kind of traditional, kind of conservative in the old operational sense, Republicans.

00:22:51.000 And they basically think, oh, no, nothing's changed.

00:22:54.000 Well, you know, Republicanism stands for exactly the same things as it always has.

00:22:58.000 Let's not rock the boat or get too crazy around here.

00:23:01.000 And this is the schism running right down the center of the Republican Party.

00:23:05.000 Do you think that there are a fair amount of Republicans that are supportive of what is happening?

00:23:13.000 I mean, they're almost, they want to be on the side of the regime.

00:23:16.000 They want to be wearing the favorable jersey.

00:23:19.000 You know, I think, Charlie, what it is, is that let's remember that this police state, weirdly enough, has a bipartisan origin.

00:23:25.000 Its roots go back to the aftermath of 9-11, when a lot of people, me included, I'm ashamed to say, said at the time, you know, we got to give the government these enhanced powers because it's not just a matter of following up with detective work after a crime.

00:23:40.000 You've got to prevent these things from happening before they happen.

00:23:43.000 And so what even though there were people like Ron Paul and of course Rand Paul who warned, listen, don't give the government so much power.

00:23:51.000 They are going to abuse it, which of course turned out to be the case.

00:23:54.000 So one of the great ironies is that many of us helped to, in our own way, create a police state that has now turned around and defines us as the terrorists.

00:24:05.000 This is literally like a bad dream.

00:24:07.000 It's literally unbelievable.

00:24:08.000 And yet here we are.

00:24:10.000 And yet here we are.

00:24:11.000 And so you sat down with Jim Jordan.

00:24:14.000 From your perspective, what policy solutions have you seen?

00:24:19.000 Or like, what do you think is a legitimate legislative, let's just say, agenda that could be put forward to help fix this police state?

00:24:30.000 Because that's an element of this, right?

00:24:31.000 We have to identify the problem.

00:24:33.000 What do you think can be done to actually solve this?

00:24:36.000 Well, I think that the Supreme Court can, and I think will.

00:24:40.000 They're moving slowly.

00:24:41.000 The Missouri versus Biden case on censorship is kind of making its way up.

00:24:45.000 They lifted the injunction, but they're going to hear the case and make a decision next spring.

00:24:50.000 I think that they will deliver a dropkick to digital censorship, which is not to say that they will stop it completely.

00:24:57.000 Facebook and YouTube can continue to censor.

00:25:00.000 They just cannot continue to collude with the government to do that.

00:25:03.000 I think that's going to come down the pike. 0.99

00:25:05.000 That will be a huge victory.

00:25:07.000 I do think that if you don't have the House and the Senate and the presidency, you are obviously hampered in what kinds of legislative solutions you can have on your own.

00:25:16.000 The House is in a position, though, where I think they can pursue ruthlessly the investigative paths of exposing the police state.

00:25:24.000 And they need to do that at every juncture that they can.

00:25:26.000 The real power right now is with governors and secretaries of state and attorneys general at the state level.

00:25:33.000 If they were to bring some indictments against prominent Democrats, indict Maorca's for child trafficking in Texas, for example, that would be a good place to start.

00:25:41.000 Suddenly, the left begins to feel that they too are coming under the gun.

00:25:45.000 I mean, remember when Elon Musk banned some leftist journalists on Twitter for one day?

00:25:50.000 The freak out, you wouldn't even believe it.

00:25:52.000 They were quoting Jon Stuart Mill, raving about the benefits of free speech.

00:25:57.000 So when it happens to them, they discover the virtues of constitutional liberty.

00:26:02.000 Yeah.

00:26:02.000 And so do you think really, after reflecting on this, Dinesh, it is time for Republicans to embrace political power?

00:26:08.000 That's what you're getting at, right?

00:26:09.000 Which is we have to make them as fearful of raids as we are.

00:26:14.000 This is absolutely critical.

00:26:15.000 And it's very important to realize that the founders knew this.

00:26:18.000 The founders did not think that our constitutional liberties can be protected by a paper document.

00:26:23.000 All you have to do is ignore the document.

00:26:24.000 Don't read it.

00:26:25.000 The founders believed that you needed a certain architecture of government, separation of powers, checks and balances, but you also need a rational and mutual fear between the majority and the minority.

00:26:37.000 Each has got to be privately terrified about what the other can do.

00:26:42.000 And that creates an environment in which everyone's liberties are a little bit safer.

00:26:46.000 Yeah, there needs to be an equal and opposite reaction.

00:26:50.000 So Dinesh, just plug the movie one more time, how people can find it.

00:26:53.000 Please plug it one more time.

00:26:55.000 It's in hundreds of theaters today, October 23rd and Wednesday, October 25th.

00:27:01.000 We bought out these theaters so you can only get tickets in one place, policestatefilm.net.

00:27:06.000 You can't get them at the theater.

00:27:08.000 You cannot get them at Fandango.

00:27:09.000 Go to the website.

00:27:10.000 Friday, October 27th is the virtual premiere.

00:27:14.000 So if you can't make it to the theater, no problem.

00:27:16.000 You can watch at home, join the virtual premiere.

00:27:19.000 It's a full screening of the film, live Q ⁇ A with Dan Bongino and me to follow, and all for the price of a movie ticket.

00:27:25.000 So policestatefilm.net is the one-stop shop to get your tickets.

00:27:30.000 So please go there now.

00:27:31.000 Check it out right now, policestatefilm.net.

00:27:34.000 Dinesh, thank you so much.

00:27:35.000 My pleasure.

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00:28:35.000 I'm going to cover this extensively tomorrow.

00:28:37.000 There's too much fog of war stuff, okay?

00:28:39.000 But I stand by my tweet, obviously.

00:28:41.000 I sent out a tweet and I said, look, I'm a Christian, and if a church gets hit in war, I consider that to be a tragedy, especially an old church that is, by some accounts, 1,700 years old.

00:28:52.000 If that's right, that's unbelievable.

00:28:55.000 And my tweet was this.

00:28:56.000 I'm going to read the tweet, and it's going viral and getting some incredibly nasty messages about it, which again just proves the point.

00:29:03.000 Guys, really?

00:29:04.000 Okay, I'll get to that in a second.

00:29:06.000 Until now, I've refrained from tweeting about the damage done to the 12th century Greek Orthodox Church at St. Porpurius.

00:29:14.000 Boy, I butchered that in Gaza.

00:29:16.000 After last week's hospital fiasco, I've waited.

00:29:19.000 I wanted to wait for more facts to be established.

00:29:21.000 But it now seems confirmed that Israel did actually bomb a building adjacent to the church, killing Christians who were sheltering there, including family of Justin Amash, former congressman of whom I have some very spirited disagreements.

00:29:34.000 I think I went after him a couple years ago.

00:29:36.000 Frankly, it's wrong that there was substantially more outrage when Gaza's own militants shot their own rocket at their own hospital parking lot than when Christians died sheltering in the oldest church in Gaza.

00:29:48.000 Accidents happen in war.

00:29:50.000 Not only that, but Hamas loves to use soft targets as staging grounds and human shields, so they can scream about Israeli atrocities after strikes. 0.60

00:29:58.000 Nevertheless, I have been disappointed by Israel's response.

00:30:01.000 What intelligence was Israel responding to?

00:30:03.000 What target were they going after that justified putting a historic church in danger?

00:30:08.000 Israel says the church blast is, quote, under investigation, but contrition and a full accounting should be the top of Israel's priority list.

00:30:15.000 Israel quickly apologized recently when it mistakenly targeted an Egyptian position.

00:30:21.000 Christians around the world are Israel's number one ally, and if a Christian church was targeted, we need to know exactly why and how.

00:30:28.000 The building itself goes back 900 years, but it's a congregation that goes back 1,700 years.

00:30:33.000 Now, let me just kind of build this out a little bit.

00:30:37.000 If a Christian country was at war and mistakenly bombed a very old Israeli kibbutz that was 1700 years, that would be wrong.

00:30:47.000 And I'm not saying it was targeted.

00:30:49.000 Targeted an adjacent building looks like an accident.

00:30:53.000 But, you know, a very great Jewish friend of mine agrees, quote, Israel can't wait days to respond.

00:30:59.000 Otherwise, fake news fills the void.

00:31:02.000 And I think that's exactly right.

00:31:04.000 Israel needs to beef up their PR war here. 0.65

00:31:07.000 And so over the weekend, and again, I'm getting attacked for saying this, but it's true.

00:31:12.000 Over the weekend, this story spread and it spread and it spread and it spread.

00:31:17.000 And it made it seem as if that Israel intentionally targeted church.

00:31:20.000 Now, if you read my tweet, I did not say that.

00:31:23.000 In fact, the tweet says, damage done to 12th century church.

00:31:29.000 Accidents happen in war.

00:31:31.000 They targeted something adjacent to it.

00:31:33.000 I say that in there.

00:31:34.000 So you have this spread, essentially, very quickly.

00:31:39.000 And people then are not sure what to believe.

00:31:44.000 Justin Amash tweets out that his family was killed in this because they thought they were safe in a church.

00:31:51.000 And so it's, look, the IDF needs a rapid response room on the PR front.

00:31:57.000 And what I don't quite appreciate, I'll be honest, is a lack of self-awareness by some pro-Israel advocates that are quite not reading the room and say that, hey, Christians in America are not like thrilled to see news of old churches being bombed.

00:32:18.000 And so some sensitivity would be someone with PR skills of the Israeli government come out and be like, wow, that's not what we intended.

00:32:25.000 This is terrible.

00:32:26.000 This is awful.

00:32:27.000 And, you know, this is why we did it.

00:32:31.000 The attitude of some people at the top of the Israeli government and that people that I've been texting are pro-Israel is they are offended at me, at the idea that anyone would even care about this.

00:32:43.000 And this doesn't change that Israel has a right to defend itself.

00:32:48.000 Okay?

00:32:49.000 There's Hamas to the front, Hamas to the south, Hezbollah to the north, but there is this unfolding information war.

00:32:56.000 And if I could be honest, to the Israeli government, you guys are failing this information war so terribly.

00:33:03.000 And then there's almost this arrogance, like, well, why do you guys care?

00:33:08.000 If a 1700-year-old Jewish community was bombed and Jews were killed in a bombing of a Christian, like I'm gonna give you an example, okay?

00:33:18.000 When America invaded Iraq, if there was like this super old Jewish community in Iraq that got bombed and an old, old like Jewish temple dating back to the times, I don't know, Maimonides got bombed, that would probably be news, rightfully so. 1.00

00:33:35.000 Boy, Israel needs to step up its PR game big time. 0.94

00:33:38.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.

00:33:39.000 Email us as always, freedom at charliekirk.com.

00:33:42.000 Thanks so much for listening, and God bless.

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The Charlie Kirk Show - October 23, 2023

The Terrorists Among Us with Kash Patel and Dinesh D’Souza

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