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00:03:15.000So, I want to start here by kind of just examining as if we've never heard about this term before at all this idea of not guilty by reason of insanity.
00:03:27.000And the more I think about it, the more I hate it because to me, you're either guilty or you're not guilty or you're guilty and you didn't mean to do it.
00:03:36.000Maybe you're manslaughter or you did it and it was self defense.
00:03:40.000But it feels like this is a cope for a modern society that is.
00:03:44.000Increasingly looking for excuses to let people out of their accountability that they deserve.
00:03:51.000You're the expert on this type of stuff.
00:03:53.000Yeah, and I think the moment that you enter mental health into the equation, it does change things quite a bit.
00:04:01.000And we're seeing this play out across the nation where you have women and others saying that they identify with Lindsay Clancy, they can be her or they could be her.
00:04:14.000I think it's dangerous, this over-identification.
00:04:17.000There's a huge, huge difference between postpartum depression and postpartum psychosis, which is what's being looked at and really at the heart of this case.
00:04:28.000Postpartum depression affects approximately 12% of mothers who give birth, whereas postpartum psychosis, it's so small, it's such a rare occurrence.
00:04:44.000And when we make the leap from depression to psychosis, that's dangerous.
00:04:49.000And I think the other thing that we're seeing or could potentially see is the reverse of what these women, what these people are hoping.
00:04:59.000Destigmatizing it, it might make it more of a stigma because women might feel like they can't come out and talk about how depressed they are.
00:05:09.000I think you're absolutely right, by the way, because there's already men all over social media that basically are now equating postpartum depression, which is fairly normal.
00:05:18.00012% of the population, when they have a baby, they experience some degree of this, with not being safe to be around my kids.
00:05:25.000So if my wife or the mother of my children has postpartum fill in the blank, the average person is just going to be like, Are my kids in danger now?
00:05:35.000And women are not going to want to come out and be honest about it.
00:06:08.000And the same with someone who's psychotic, but these are much different things.
00:06:13.000And as we saw play out with Clancy, one of those drove her to murder her sweet innocent children.
00:06:20.000Depression usually doesn't drive someone to murder innocent people or anyone, actually.
00:06:26.000I mean, what stands out to me that is interesting, my understanding is that insanity is usually supposed to mean like you are totally insensible to the moral ramifications of what.
00:06:40.000I think pleas of temporary insanity have actually mostly been abolished across the US, but that's essentially what she has a modern therapeutic version of this that she was in temporary psychosis.
00:06:52.000We were debating the other day, uh, one of the defense or one of the prosecution witnesses, I believe, uh, he was testifying that she apparently only heard these voices this one time, right?
00:07:04.000And that didn't seem to fit the pattern of psychosis that he knew.
00:07:09.000And we were discussing whether maybe she came across more like a family annihilator, like men who decide, I want to kill myself and I'm going to take my family with me.
00:08:27.000All of the evidence that you've heard, even the experts that the Commonwealth put before you, say that she was suffering from mental illness and she tried to kill herself.
00:08:40.000The issue is whether at the time she killed Cora, Dawson, and Callan, she knew the difference between right and wrong and whether she could conform her behavior to the requirements of the law.
00:09:20.000That's quite a statement to say she did nothing wrong in her life.
00:09:24.000And maybe she didn't do anything wrong, but she certainly did at that moment.
00:09:29.000You know, I think we can say we understand suffering and be empathetic, but to say that we truly know her thoughts, we just don't.
00:09:39.000I found the account of hallucinations to be, as she described it, it would be very, very unusual to experience it that way.
00:09:49.000Never having, not before, not since, constantly for 18 minutes.
00:09:56.000However, if this was a thought, An unwelcome, intrusive thought, but still a thought that's basically this is your last chance.
00:10:06.000You have to kill the kids so you can kill yourself.
00:10:10.000Then that would be consistent with thoughts that she'd been experiencing for some time.
00:10:16.000That was the clipping question everybody's still talking about because that guy's basically calling BS on the this was the first time I ever heard this voice thing.
00:10:26.000He's a psychotherapist and author of Therapy Nation.
00:10:30.000Which I just love because it's such an important topic that I genuinely think we're over medicated.
00:10:38.000And if you rely on only therapy and not good actions, not good behaviors, good habits, good family life, you're going to be not as well off as you could be.
00:10:49.000And that book deals with that very important topic.
00:10:51.000Okay, so, Doctor, we have these, I guess, five different options that could happen here found not guilty, guilty of first degree murder, guilty of second degree murder, guilty of manslaughter.
00:11:05.000Or not guilty by reason of lack of criminal responsibility.
00:11:10.000This is the Massachusetts version of an insanity defense.
00:11:13.000And I was reading about it, and it's apparently much more generous than most insanity states.
00:11:40.000So, if they find her not guilty by reason of insanity or lack of criminal responsibilities, how they say it in Massachusetts, this is legally an acquittal.
00:11:51.000The court would start civil commitment proceedings to a psychiatric facility.
00:11:55.000The initial commitment is typically six months and can be renewed in one year increments if she remains a danger.
00:12:02.000Well, we could see that she could lead a life like John Hinckley, who I believe was released a couple of years ago, and he's shopping at the local grocery store, I believe, in Virginia.
00:12:58.000We saw it with the whole Luigi case where he had his gripes about the insurance industry and he committed the heinous crime of gunning down the CEO.
00:13:08.000And we saw all these completely ignorant people over-identifying with that and saying that they stand with Luigi.
00:13:18.000And of course, Luigi last week admitted to the killing and guilt.
00:13:23.000So, this is dangerous what you're showing on the screen here, these people that are so enthusiastically identifying, over identifying with Clancy.
00:13:32.000Do you think this is a, if you had to put your finger on where this is coming from, is it social media?
00:13:39.000And just to go back to that clip you just showed, one woman was holding her child.
00:13:45.000You know, I wonder if someone had lost, if someone was a grandmother to a child and lost that child, would they still be so sympathetic or empathetic towards Clancy?
00:14:29.000Why should society have to deal with somebody that is guilty of murdering three people but then acquit them because their momentary break with reality or something?
00:14:42.000They should still be held accountable.
00:14:43.000Like my thought process that I've said a few times is I don't think for a moment we would tolerate this exact same line of argument if the person was a 19 year old male who'd done a school shooting.
00:14:55.000If he said, Oh, I took all these pills, I'd been to all these doctors.
00:15:06.000Are most murderers, by definition, insane on some level?
00:15:12.000Well, in my opinion, if you're at the point where you can kill someone, something is not quite right.
00:15:17.000Whether you're legally insane or not, we don't know.
00:15:21.000I think there are complexities to the cases out there, but it's just not normal to have the desire to kill someone, whether that's the CEO of a health insurance company.
00:15:49.000If in a week, think about it, we could have someone who killed her kids not in prison, but in a psychiatric hospital, and in six months, possibly back on the streets.
00:16:02.000Yeah, I mean, that's what we're looking at here.
00:16:03.000And I think it's a huge societal danger.
00:16:05.000That's why we're, I think that's why it's captivated the nation because.
00:16:09.000Of this idea, it's just a moral inversion.
00:16:12.000Our collective brains, so cooked by social media and true crime and Dexter and Breaking Bad, where we're rooting for the bad guy.
00:16:21.000We're rooting for the murderer who, in this case, killed three kids.
00:16:25.000And then we have to think about her own kids.
00:16:27.000And we have to think about it with the jury pool that we might face with the Tyler Robinson hearing.
00:16:33.000But think about the Daniel Penny case a couple of years ago on the New York City subway where he was being heroic and.
00:16:43.000He saw what looked like a deranged person on the subway and he took action to defend all the passengers on that train.
00:17:08.000I love the subhead How America Got Hooked on Therapy and Why It's Left Us More Anxious and Divided.
00:17:14.000I've said it on the show, but I think we would do a lot better.
00:17:18.000Honestly, if we went back to the old way where you go to the pub and you talk to your friends over at Guinness or something, whatever your thing is, just get back to common sense.
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00:19:33.000And Joshua's doing the hard work of not only going back and talking to the people of Springfield, but he's also commissioned polls about this.
00:19:46.000Thank you for doing this, actually, you know, because when we talk about the forgotten men and women of America, this is what we're talking about the people of Springfield that had their community overrun by foreigners that they didn't ask for, that overturned their home and upset a way of life that they'd been enjoying for decades, if not centuries.
00:20:04.000Joshua, what are you finding out about the people of Springfield?
00:20:08.000First and foremost, thank you for having me on, guys.
00:20:11.000And the feedback that surprised me most, I spent 10 weeks on the ground in Springfield, Ohio.
00:20:16.000I live pretty close by, so it's not as impressive as it sounds.
00:20:20.000But the first, let's say, unexpected reframe of the entire story was when I began interviewing residents and they commented on the disappearance and the consumption of the cats, ducks, and geese, and so on and so forth.
00:20:35.000And they said, you know, that's one of the good things about the Haitian influx, they solved our stray cat problem.
00:20:40.000It was a real big problem, apparently, with feral cat colonies all over, together with the Canadian geese.
00:20:46.000And this was a cultural enrichment that was, in fact, a positive.
00:22:06.000Is there have been public safety issues, there's been education issues, there have been jobs that are basically handed over to the Haitian migrants that the locals were never allowed to apply for.
00:22:17.000And the scariest part is that as people began sharing their experiences, the eyewitnessing of the, I guess you could call it abduction, spell abduction there with a D U C K, and the geese and the cats and so on and so forth, the biggest problem is the public safety issue.
00:24:01.000You know how I knew that they were eating the cats and the dogs and the geese or whatever?
00:24:06.000Is if you look at an image of Haiti from the map, did you know it is the only sort of border between nations that you can see from space that doesn't include like a river or some other sort of geographic?
00:24:20.000Because the Haitians plunder their own land.
00:24:24.000The left side is Haiti, the right side is the Dominican Republic.
00:24:36.000So, if in a culture where people do that to their own natural beauty, I'm supposed to be shocked that when they see, as you said, the third world gaze fall upon a cat or fall upon a duck or a geese, a goose, that they're not going to just take it for their own.
00:24:51.000This is what they do in their culture.
00:24:56.000And even the worst part about it is that it also falls upon the children.
00:25:00.000There are a number of rather depressing reports in the book from local concerned parents, including footage that I was granted access to of Haitians attempting to abduct little white boys and little white girls in Springfield.
00:25:16.000There is absolutely a racial element here that was not introduced by the locals.
00:25:21.000In fact, many of the locals have not shared their stories of Felix and Garfield going missing, or they haven't shared what happened to the ducks or the geese.
00:25:29.000And not just that, but we're also talking squirrels, mice.
00:25:34.000In fact, the evidence I was shown of the first voodoo ritual involving the slaughter and otherwise the processing of animals goes back to 2020 in Springfield.
00:25:46.000I also have interviewed and spoken with current and former law enforcement, first responders, local politicians, community movers, and shakers.
00:25:56.000And the worst part about all of it is that it's falling on the locals, the people who are vulnerable in this post industrial Rust Belt community.
00:26:06.000That had already been in many ways hollowed out by NAFTA previously.
00:26:10.000Springfield was supposed to be a great American turnaround story, by the way, because during Trump's first term, a number of factories and employers either announced expanded operations or new facilities and whatnot.
00:26:24.000So all of these jobs were supposed to be created for Springfield.
00:26:28.000Then Biden comes in and intercepts a success story and begins the great population replacement of heritage Americans with foreigners by the tens of thousands.
00:27:01.000There's inconsistent policing, there's multiple standards of justice, depending on whether or not you're a white American or you're a black Haitian.
00:27:10.000And I've also got some evidence in which I present that there's significant under prosecuting of the Haitians that the white heritage Americans are not receiving access to.
00:27:23.000We hold them to a lower standard, a double standard.
00:27:26.000The white Americans are going to get, you know, nickeled and dimed and they're going to get prosecuted by the letter of the law.
00:27:32.000And the Haitians are going to be given, you know, every excuse in the book to get out of it.
00:27:36.000Even while they're apparently, you know, running their cars into poles and buildings because they don't know how to drive according to our rules.
00:27:43.000They're eating cats, which, by the way, probably sounds illegal.
00:27:47.000There's many different, you know, I guess, wrinkles here.
00:27:52.000But you also have told stories and heard stories of families getting ripped apart because some.
00:27:57.000Springfield residents couldn't take it and they bailed.
00:28:00.000And so this is like literally, and then the family left behind is now torn apart.
00:28:06.000We talk about this with, you know, James Talrico is talking about this little boy in Texas, Liam, and that we deported a little three year old or five year old or whatever he is.
00:28:16.000It turns out the dad entered illegally twice after being sent back.
00:28:21.000And now the Dems are like, you're ripping families apart.
00:28:35.000When I first began interviewing heritage citizens, they suggested that I need to ask widely the important questions, such as do you know anyone who has left Springfield or has left Clark County because of the Haitian influx?
00:28:50.000And almost 40% of respondents in our poll, which again is the first and the only professional and scientific poll of Springfield, Ohio voters.
00:29:42.000Joshua, the question then becomes okay, so you got Governor DeWine is out there simping for these guys, saying they just came here to work and all this stuff.
00:30:06.000And this is where we want to walk back just a few weeks.
00:30:09.000So, as far as I know, I broke the story three weeks ago that ICE was finally on the ground in Springfield.
00:30:15.000They began in the surrounding areas of Clark County, kind of moved in to encircle the city.
00:30:20.000Since then, the reports I'm getting from the locals, there's this heritage citizenry open source intelligence network, the OSINTS that I call them throughout the book.
00:30:29.000There's hundreds of them that are involved and thousands of them who credibly report tips.
00:30:35.000And what they're telling me is that approximately one to two dozen per day are being detained.
00:30:41.000As of the end of TPS, there were anywhere between 8,000 and 15,000.
00:30:46.000I know it's a wide range, but some of them have been spreading.
00:30:49.000They've moved to Huber Heights, Inglewood, Troy, Tip City, Beaver Creek, Lima, as well as Findlay, Ohio.
00:30:55.000I regularly get tips from these areas that, oh, three families have moved in next door.
00:30:59.000So you've got like a two bed, one and a half bath house, and suddenly three families of three children.
00:31:06.000Generations of Haitians will be living in there.
00:31:09.000They have very different understandings of the world and living arrangements and whatnot, and diet, obviously, than we in the United States do when they bring their culture in here.
00:31:18.000But what's also been happening in Springfield is the Springfield City Schools whistleblower has shared that new Haitian families are showing up from Indiana and from Florida and are signing their kids up in Springfield, and that there are white vans being seen all over town, basically transporting or busing in Haitians with green cards to replace.
00:31:41.000I don't know what percentage or how many, but all I'm hearing is lots, many.
00:31:47.000This is what I'm hearing from the heritage citizens of Springfield that these new Haitians with green cards from Indiana and Florida are being brought in to replace the ex TPS illegal Haitians who have either disappeared into the shadows or are doing some sort of under the table work.
00:32:05.000But now these area employers, they're preferring to hire the Haitians still, again, likely paying them significantly less.
00:32:12.000Some of the reports that I saw is that Americans who are earning $30 to $35 per hour.
00:32:17.000We were replaced by one to two Haitians on temporary employment contracts, earning between $10 and $12 per hour.
00:32:25.000So it's approximately 67% less you got to pay them.
00:32:29.000And because the work tends to be shoddy, you know, you just hire two of them to kind of have two people do the work of one American.
00:32:35.000And you still have to, you know, you can still pay them less.
00:33:05.000We just reported, Governor, that ICE is planning to mount a series of operations, including here in Ohio, to target, arrest, and ultimately deport some of the Haitian immigrants who are said to lose their legal status here.
00:33:18.000What is your initial reaction to that?
00:34:14.000We don't care about your grandma being able to sit on her front porch and drink tea in peace and harmony and understand her community and know her neighbors.
00:34:26.000Yes, the correct number of Ohioans displaced by Haitians is zero, and every number above that is intent of policy because the purpose of a system is what it does.
00:34:36.000Notice that in that little clip there, I think that was to CBS, Governor Republican again.
00:34:43.000By the way, the vast majority of the elected officials of the city of Springfield and Clark County who love the Haitians are also Republicans.
00:34:50.000We've got these people who own businesses that employ Haitians, they have groceries and other businesses that receive the EBT and the WIC and et cetera.
00:34:59.000That the welfare money that's being spent by all these new Haitians, that they're getting this freebies, gimme, stimme, and handouts.
00:35:05.000They also own properties that are renting to Haitians and they can charge them extra because they don't know any better and they can engage in all manner of renter exploitation.
00:35:15.000But because they're from a different culture, they don't understand that those sorts of things that you can't just lie, cheat, and steal, that we don't do that in America, to cite the viral New York City cop.
00:35:24.000But what Governor DeWine had just said is that there were all these jobs available that were not going filled by other people.
00:35:31.000He's talking about his constituents, his voters, Ohio citizens.
00:35:36.000The people of Springfield are other people.
00:35:40.000What I had been hearing from the beginning of this whole saga, when the first Haitians began showing up in mass starting in 2020.
00:35:47.0002021, then the ballooning from that point on to the tens of thousands is that these new jobs that were promised during the Trump administration vanished, and all of a sudden, thousands of Haitians have these jobs.
00:36:01.000This is a consistent complaint from the people that the jobs were not being advertised, they were not opportunities to even apply for them.
00:36:08.000And then suddenly, you're getting laid off and replaced by Haitians.
00:36:11.000This is why the white vans is such a big part of your story because these are these are employer networks.
00:36:20.000They drive them up to places like Springfield, flood the community with cheap labor, and it's all known.
00:36:25.000There's a little dark web of these people, and they do it all the time.
00:36:29.000So that's why they didn't advertise the jobs.
00:36:31.000That's why the jobs that were created under Trump 1.0 never got filled by Americans or they're shipping in green card Haitians now, which I'd love to know why they have a green card.
00:37:13.000And Big Data Poll has all the polls, the questions, the sample sizes, and you can break down by demographics, which gets pretty sketchy.
00:37:20.000Who really supports the Haitians in the community?
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00:41:51.000I talked about this last night with some of us that Charlie, he's traveling all the time.
00:41:56.000And sometimes he would have audio mishaps where he would be on air and his guest would be on air, but he couldn't hear the guest.
00:42:04.000And what he would do is he would go, Can't hear Andrew, Blake, tell me what they're saying.
00:42:09.000And we would have to very hastily listen and just be pounding out whatever the guest was saying so that Charlie could ask a question that was at least.
00:42:18.000Directional to what the guest was actually saying on the show, but he wouldn't be able to hear it.
00:42:22.000That was when I got alert, alert, can't hear, can't hear.
00:42:25.000So, you know, Blake and I would have to transcribe what the guest was saying so that you and the audience had no idea he couldn't hear.
00:42:30.000He would just respond back and we'd say, Go, now your turn.
00:42:34.000One of the other funnier ones was when we were on Thought Crime a couple weeks ago and the whole power and like the entire block went out like in the middle of the show.
00:42:43.000Yeah, so we were like mid sentence and just everything crashed.
00:42:46.000Yeah, that was a good show too, by the way.
00:42:48.000I would say another one that was kind of funny was.
00:42:51.000It's not funny actually because he ended up having to get stitches.
00:42:54.000But we had a pastor in the other, when we had the studio in the other building, and he was going around the desk to, I think, to get seated, and he hit, one of the lights hit him in the head, just blood everywhere.
00:43:31.000My question is I'm in California, and they just passed the Nick Shirley Act.
00:43:40.000And my question is I want to know your thoughts about it.
00:43:45.000All those Democrats that are up for reelection, I'm thinking we should expose their names and say these are the people that are trying to squash free speech, Mia Bonta being one of them.
00:44:12.000So, it says it protects the identities and addresses of immigration service workers, restricts doxing, and creates penalties for certain contacts and criminal penalties for basically just releasing identities of immigration service workers.
00:44:32.000The law also makes it illegal to post, display, sell, or distribute a participant's personal information or images online when done with specific intent to threaten, intimidate, incite imminent great bodily harm, or place the person in objectively reasonable fear for their safety.
00:44:47.000Basically, it's saying that it's claiming that Nick Shirley was trying to dox people.
00:44:54.000He was doing investigative journalism and exposing fraud.
00:44:57.000So, once again, Democrats are on the side of no transparency, no exposing fraud, and protecting criminals at the expense of somebody like Nick Shirley, who was.
00:45:07.000Actually, doing a good thing for society and for the country.
00:45:11.000So, when it gets to the point of what do you do about it, the problem here is that California probably supports it.
00:45:19.000You're in California, but there's a lot of people in California that just think of Nick Shirley as a pesky little conservative white boy and they want to get rid of him and they don't want him harassing them on their streets.
00:45:42.000The narrative, if you're in a blue media sphere, which is on Blue Sky or in their own chat groups or watching left media sources, is basically that Nick Shirley goes and harasses innocent immigrants who did nothing wrong and he accuses them of crimes.
00:45:58.000And then the Trump administration sends ICE into their neighborhoods and they terrorize and shoot people.
00:46:04.000That is what the left believes happens with Nick Shirley.
00:46:07.000And that's why it's so easy for them to pass bills like that.
00:46:10.000And we wish we could fight against this, but.
00:46:41.000You know, when you talk to a Democrat, what they actually believe, they believe that conservatives are trying to get them, that we're trying to get them killed.
00:46:47.000I mean, They go full projection mode because these are the things they're doing to us, actually, right?
00:47:39.000Before I start, I just want to let you know we're praying extra hard for you guys for the next two weeks.
00:47:43.000I'm sure it's going to be a very difficult time for you, but that you guys have done yeoman's work this last year carrying on Charlie's legacy.
00:47:54.000I just think Charlie would be so proud of you guys and Erica and the people who I don't know behind the scenes, just all of you, such gratitude for how strong you've been this last year to carry the rest of us through.
00:48:25.000How do we get Congress to sort of like defund the DC judiciary to get like all these activist judges like defunded and like so they can't do what they're doing?
00:48:35.000And also, why aren't they impeaching all these insane activist judges who are like, it's been to the Supreme Court and then they still try to like stop it anyway once they've already been overruled?
00:48:47.000Like, I've never seen this level of insanity in people that are like federal judges.
00:49:29.000But what it does say, and I want to read the text of it, I have it right here, is the judicial power shall be invested in one Supreme Court and in such inferior courts as Congress may from time to time ordain and establish.
00:49:39.000These judges shall hold their offices during good behavior and shall, at stated times, receive for their services a compensation which shall not be diminished during their continuance in office.
00:49:50.000So this is one of the checks and balances that they embedded in our system that in other countries, I think in Britain as well, they'd seen as a tactic that judges who ruled away that The legislature, the parliament didn't like, they might strip away their salary.
00:50:07.000They might try to make it so they could not continue being judges.
00:50:11.000And so, our founders, what they did was they said, Well, you actually can't cut off the pay for a judge to try to punish them.
00:50:20.000You can only remove them from office for bad behavior, which is what our impeachment mechanism is.
00:50:25.000So, that's one of the difficulties we have these bad judges and we can't just take away their funding.
00:50:31.000That's actually not constitutionally allowed.
00:50:53.000So historically, the House has impeached 15 federal judges, and then it goes to the Senate, of course, and the Senate has convicted and removed eight.
00:51:01.000Several others have resigned before the process played out.
00:51:05.000And the last one where there was actual removal was Judge G. Thomas Porteous in 2010.
00:51:22.000At least go after a couple bad actors and send a message that, you know, this federal judicial activism, the black robe activism, it has no place in America and it needs to be stamped out so that at least they're put on notice, right?
00:51:37.000We should make an example out of like two or three of these guys.
00:51:39.000And there's other ways that they've tried to get creative.
00:51:42.000One idea is we could create additional court circuits.
00:51:46.000Like, for example, the Ninth Circuit covers California, a ton of states.
00:51:50.000I think it has by far the most people of any circuit.
00:51:53.000We could break that one up so it at least has less power over the country.
00:51:56.000Maybe it's only California and Oregon and Washington or something instead of half the West.
00:52:03.000Another idea I've seen is we could change the jurisdiction.
00:52:10.000So, for example, the DC Circuit is a very powerful one because so many federal cases go there.
00:52:15.000You could, in theory, create a new district, you could create a new appeals court and basically say more stuff is going through here and we're appointing new judges for it.
00:52:25.000There's ways to get creative with this.
00:52:27.000You're putting more and more stress on our constitutional system every time you do this.
00:52:32.000But there are ideas out there that people have found.
00:52:34.000Well, and I will tell you, it was Trump v. Casa.
00:52:38.000The Supreme Court did sharply limit nationwide injunctions.
00:52:42.000So they're still finding other ways around this.
00:52:44.000But that was a huge, huge development.
00:52:47.000A single local district judge can no longer block a national policy for everybody, it has to be ruled on the merits of that specific case.
00:52:55.000So it hasn't been a perfect solution, but it was.
00:52:59.000It absolutely was a move in the right direction and has limited their ability to just shut down national policy because some district judge in Guam thinks that they have a better idea of how to run the country and never got a vote from a single American citizen.
00:53:13.000So, hopefully, that answers your question.
00:53:15.000But it's, you know, we have three branches of government, right?
00:53:20.000And they are separate and they can get in each other's way.
00:53:23.000And honestly, sometimes that's a really good thing when a Democrat's in office.
00:53:30.000There's no doubt about it that the Democrats have weaponized it in far greater measure.
00:53:33.000I mean, well, I don't want to say that.
00:53:35.000I would say the courts have been overall a pretty good friend of ours.
00:53:38.000I'd say Democrat judges are more likely to just straight up, I mean, part of their ideologies they can invent new, they can say the Constitution's evolving.
00:53:47.000And it turns out the Constitution always guaranteed transgender rights or whatever.
00:53:52.000But we've gotten a lot of wins through the courts.
00:53:55.000And I want people to appreciate that, that you have constitutional carry across half the U.S. because courts have allowed it.
00:54:01.000You have way more educational freedom across the country.
00:55:29.000But they have forced a massive amount of backlog and trying to gum up the works and delay things.
00:55:36.000And here's what I will say the national injunction piece, President Trump has faced well over 100 nationwide injunctions, and that's between.
00:56:07.000But how often is Congress delivering us any wins ever?
00:56:10.000Yeah, that's a completely different discussion.
00:56:13.000And half the time, it's completely different.
00:56:14.000And half the time, we don't have the White House idea about.
00:56:17.000Are we talking about the judicial term?
00:56:19.000Long term, the judiciary is the most conservative branch of government, and that like we have the advantage at the Supreme Court, we have a pretty good structural advantage in the appeals courts.
00:56:31.000Yes, but overall, it's been a system that's been friendly to us, which is why the left is the ones who go much more berserk about packing the courts, totally remake the courts.
00:56:41.000No, no, no, and all of that can be true.
00:57:01.000I'm just saying, yes, it is factually true that President Trump has been targeted more than anybody.
00:57:06.000Here's a clip of Charlie that the team found talking about fixing an out of control judiciary, SOT 18.
00:57:12.000There are a lot of good ideas out there right now.
00:57:14.000For example, we could create an expedited appeals process for nationwide injunctions so they go to the Supreme Court as quickly as possible.
00:57:25.000We could also make it so that lawsuits seeking nationwide injunctions are assigned to random judges or a random panel of judges.
00:57:35.000Right now, political activists will pick the friendliest judge they can anywhere in the country and they judge shop and venue shop.
00:57:46.000Almost any fix like this would require getting through Congress, which, as you know, Congress hasn't done anything.
00:58:52.000So, I'm a lifelong Eastern Oregon rancher, have to suffer the socialist conditions here in the state of Oregon.
00:58:58.000But anyway, so I would like to speak real briefly to President Trump's allowance of 300,000 metric tons of foreign beef coming into the country.
00:59:10.000First, I don't know who is advising him.
00:59:14.000And let me preface that by saying I am so appreciative of Secretary of Ag Rawlins.
00:59:21.000She is the best Secretary of Ag I've ever seen in my lifetime.
01:01:19.000Well, I mean, if do you have any others that you want to cite?
01:01:23.000Well, I okay, so let me be more specific about the diesel.
01:01:27.000Um, if my understanding is correct, it takes less uh expense to create to make diesel fuel than it does gasoline, and yet it's it's two dollars higher a gallon.
01:01:38.000And maybe I'm wrong, I'm not saying that I know everything, but it just seems like there's just there.
01:01:43.000Um, and I don't want to be crying, poor me and poor American farmer.
01:01:50.000But, you know, the fact of it, and I'm kind of switching gears here.
01:01:54.000So, politically, the production agriculture folks like myself and my sons and my family, we amount to less than one and a half percent of the population.
01:02:03.000And so, consequently, we have no political clout.
01:02:06.000But on the other hand, we have been the staunchest supporter of President Trump.
01:02:11.000And I've made a hat that instead of make America great again, it's red and it has imprinted on it make beef American again.
01:02:19.000And I know that's where his heart is at, but he's just being advised incorrectly.
01:02:24.000For short term, you know, not achievable goals because this meat packing cartel, they're not going to lower the retail meat to the consumer by 25%.
01:02:38.000And just let me just give you an example.
01:02:42.000We've seen a $20 per 100 weight drop in the price of cattle just since last week when this was announced $20 a 100 weight.
01:03:39.000It has become a political issue that beef specifically is more expensive.
01:03:43.000And, well, whether we do well in these midterms is going to play a big role in whether we're able to fully execute on literally everything we care about, whether it's the border, DEI, and agricultural policies to make stuff more American again.
01:03:59.000Now, you might be correct that he's being played.
01:04:02.000And the meat packing cartel will say, thanks for lowering our price input.
01:04:07.000We're still not going to lower prices for consumers.
01:04:11.000I don't know how that will shake out, but I guess we'll see.
01:04:16.000What struck me was we asked what's keeping prices high, and you mentioned fuel prices, energy prices, and how everything gets interconnected because why is gas more expensive?
01:04:28.000In no small part because of the issues way out in Iran, that conflict.
01:04:32.000We don't think of that as linked to beef.
01:05:52.000Biden did policies that caused mass inflation.
01:05:56.000And his line was that inflation's not happening, there's just been greed among every company all at the same time.
01:06:03.000They didn't want to make money before, now suddenly they're more greedy for money.
01:06:07.000You have to resist that temptation because the end result of that is okay, well, we'll elect left wing governments that will promise to fight greed.
01:06:19.000There is an interesting aspect of the diesel price specifically that I think we should explore.
01:06:24.000And I generally agree with Blake, but listen, we've got this diesel.
01:06:30.000You've got tight global supplies, it's expensive refining rules and higher taxes all on diesel.
01:06:37.000And I remember when I was growing up, diesel was always cheaper than gas.
01:06:40.000And at some point, it inverted, and operations like yours get squeezed because of that.
01:06:46.000And so there's also a nationwide, you know, Gas tax that we could do something about that in the short term and basically pause that tax to get relief to our manufacturers and our farmers and our ranches.
01:07:00.000So I'm all in favor of exploring all of those options because I'm with you 100%.
01:07:05.000We support American raised beef like no other, but he is climbing out of a hole that Biden started.
01:07:10.000I mean, they were importing foreign meats and foods like crazy during Biden.
01:07:15.000And I know I don't have to tell you this, sir.
01:07:17.000We love our ranchers and we got his back, and we're going to.
01:07:21.000You know, the diesel prices, and then you got the Mexican screwworm, and then you've got the fertilizer cost.
01:07:28.000I mean, they're really up against it, and they are the backbone of this country.
01:08:16.000I just wanted to ask about the memorial that's happening September 10th.
01:08:21.000I've heard, you know, it looked like there was an invite, but I wanted to know if there was.
01:08:27.000You know, is that going to be online or no?
01:08:29.000Or, yeah, we're going to have it online.
01:08:31.000And, uh, but if you want to go in person, uh, I believe you can.
01:08:34.000I can, we can get the URL here real quick.
01:08:37.000Um, the, uh, do we, can you look for that?
01:08:41.000Uh, but yeah, I mean, we have people that have been contacting us wanting to travel from all over the country to be a part of it at UVU, at the UCCU Center at, uh, on campus there.
01:09:32.000That should be a pretty wide array of places that you'll be able to watch it.
01:09:35.000And who knows, maybe it'll get carried by a TV station or two as well, if we're fortunate, because a lot of people are going to want to tune into that.
01:09:43.000And I suspect since we're holding it at that UVU facility, ideally we're able to pack the house there.
01:09:53.000I believe it's set up for 3,500 people, as I understand it, but we could, in theory, expand it if there's a certain number of registrations.
01:10:14.000But it's going to be a really special event.
01:10:17.000Andrew Seifer is going to be speaking, and Caleb Chilcutt, who was our campus chapter leader there, who's now on staff with us, which is amazing.
01:10:25.000He was our chapter leader when Charlie was killed.
01:11:02.000There's one element of Thought Crimes that I think could be better or could be improved.
01:11:07.000One of the things that frustrates me is, and when you've got a lot of people, sometimes it's hard not to talk over each other, but there is a frequent offender on the group.
01:11:17.000So, my thought, and this may be a thought crime, but I'm thinking if Jack Posso could wear a shot collar and give Blake the trigger, and anytime, because Jack most often seems to talk over Blake.
01:11:29.000And if it's anybody, it's probably going to be Blake.
01:11:31.000And so I just think if Blake had a trigger, he could hit it.
01:11:35.000And if Jack's on camera, that could add to the entertainment value as well.
01:12:38.000So, but the, but, but, you know, Thought Crime, it is a conversation and it does go round and round.
01:12:45.000And I, you know, what's interesting about Thought Crime, though, is because we see the numbers on the back end.
01:12:50.000And, and praise God, you know, some of the callers this hour have been so sweet, just saying nice things about us.
01:12:56.000And, The things we've been able to accomplish this year, I genuinely believe, is there's been so many terrible moments and there's been so many miracles.
01:13:05.000And the audience being faithful to us and sticking by us on the podcast and on this show and Real America's Voice has truly been a miracle in many ways because we don't deserve it.
01:13:16.000And, you know, we're just trying to do right by Charlie and by Erica, by their family, by this organization.
01:13:25.000And, you know, the show is separate from the org, but, you know, A lot of people see it as the same, even though it's not.
01:13:31.000And what's interesting about Thought Crime is it still is our most popular podcast episode every week when we drop it.
01:13:38.000And this goes back to when we first started with Charlie.
01:13:41.000It would always do 10 to 25% more downloads every week.
01:13:47.000And so if you guys are watching this and you have not watched Thought Crime or listened to Thought Crime, we had a great episode yesterday.