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00:01:54.000So, there, this story, if you guys haven't heard about it, there is an autonomous zone that has developed right at the border where they're trying to construct the border wall.
00:02:04.000And there was a tree in place that a bunch of sort of like, if you just put your mind back in the summer of love, the Chaz Chop.
00:02:16.000You have a bunch of crazed leftist Antifa types camping out at the border trying to block the demolition of a tree to take out this tree that would get in the way of a border wall.
00:02:27.000Why don't you tell us what you saw here?
00:03:22.000That road right there is the easement.
00:03:24.000So, you have actually this area, they're trying to build a double border wall because it's called a quick hitter spot.
00:03:29.000So, this means that you have cartel activity, human smuggling, drug smuggling activity happening in this corridor at a higher rate than anywhere else.
00:03:36.000So, it's a high priority to get this double border wall up.
00:03:38.000But these activists, they've kind of almost posed themselves as environmentalists.
00:03:42.000And as this has dragged on, it's been going on since July 27th.
00:04:46.000So, they hadn't, you know, they knew that the guys up top were good, you know, me and our camera op were good, but they didn't know Brandon yet.
00:04:52.000So, the Border Patrol guys down there sent him under the tape to the private property.
00:04:56.000And these guys are like, What you don't belong over here, yeah.
00:04:59.000And they immediately start assaulting him.
00:05:01.000You know, they broke his meta glasses, they tried punching him, tried breaking his camera.
00:05:05.000So, naturally, he says, I'm getting out of here.
00:06:24.000Got this goon over here just yelling at me.
00:06:26.000And now we got these construction trucks coming to tear down this tree that all these far left activists are protesting over because they don't want the tree torn down so that they can't finish building the border wall.
00:06:42.000And I told him, I'm like, you guys are all posing as environmentalists when the only thing you care about is the wall because you have nothing better to do with your time.
00:07:15.000It's like a patchwork of federal reservation lands and of private land kind of in this place.
00:07:20.000So, The private land owners that happen to own all this land along the easement, they are in support of these protesters and in support of their directors.
00:07:28.000Why would they be in support of a bunch of drug smugglers that can get in?
00:07:32.000Well, and you have other groups like this all throughout Arizona and through Texas as well.
00:07:36.000I mean, in Aravaca, you have similar things going on.
00:07:39.000So this isn't anything out of the normal.
00:07:41.000It's just the fact that no media has really known this has been going on since July 27th.
00:07:46.000And the fact that this has been able to go on since then, it needs to be addressed.
00:07:50.000And that was the whole point of coming down here, to shine a light on it and say, hey, You guys need your help down here.
00:07:57.000These Border Patrol guys should be all arrested.
00:07:59.000Yeah, it well, it seems fascinating to me.
00:08:01.000You said there are people coming in from all over, and I assume you've seen are you just running into the same people almost anywhere you go in the country when you look for these Antifa types?
00:08:11.000Like, how many people are actually involved in this movement, such as it is?
00:08:16.000I wouldn't say you run into the exact same people, but it's the exact same organizations, the exact same money, the funding, the mutual aid movements.
00:08:23.000Is I mean, we have videos there, it's you know, from Minnesota to Arizona in solidarity.
00:08:43.000You know, I covered a protest in LA on May Day.
00:08:46.000All of their funding, everything that they had supplied, came directly from the guys in Minnesota.
00:08:50.000So I would have, I would say, you know, I can't 100% confirm that their stuff is coming from Minnesota, but there are people from out of state, from Minnesota, from Portland, from Seattle, from these other Flashpoint areas that have been flying into this area.
00:09:03.000All right, I want to play SOT 20 because this is what I'm zeroing in on that this is unacceptable.0.93
00:09:08.000You film this, and it's all these Antifa types running around.
00:09:11.000They grab a couple of them, then they just let them go.
00:09:14.000I don't, for the life of me, understand what the heck's going on here.
00:10:18.000And this is why I said I need to make some calls because, like, this is, that's unacceptable that any law enforcement officer in this country gets treated that way.
00:10:26.000If you touch a cop, you're going to jail.
00:10:30.000When you were down there, did you talk with law enforcement, Border Patrol?0.98
00:10:36.000Did they express frustration that they haven't been able to do what needs to be done to deal with these freaking thugs that are obstructing law enforcement?0.96
00:10:45.000Yeah, we can say that for the least.0.94
00:10:48.000I've talked to countless Border Patrol agents down there, both me and my camera, I know Brandon spoke to some as well, and every single one of them are frustrated.
00:10:56.000They feel like they don't have the support.
00:10:58.000They feel like they're being played with, right?
00:11:56.000You don't really feel comfortable roughing up a screaming woman, even if they're getting in your face, shoving you, hitting you.
00:12:04.000But they know, and the left knows this.
00:12:07.000We mentioned this when we had the ICE stuff last year with the shootings that they are basically intentionally trying to create some sort of violent crisis with their activists.
00:13:02.000Moment, it reminded me of the 2020, uh, or the you know, those videos, the meltdowns, or like the women at inauguration.
00:13:07.000Yeah, when we were filming, it's sad we clearly had to remove some swearing there because it just sounds like they're screaming directly after that.
00:13:14.000They started to all chant in unison, never forget, as if this was like 9 11, right?
00:13:18.000So I was like, Oh, that was beautiful.
00:13:20.000I almost want to play that again, uh, play the B roll again, yeah, play the B roll.
00:13:24.000It's so good though to hear them screaming.
00:13:26.000And I did hear a couple, I did hear a couple male like screams, yeah, never forget.
00:13:31.000So listen, here's what needs to be done you flood that zone.
00:13:35.000And you arrest every single one of them and you touch a cop, you're going away for 10 years.
00:13:40.000If that was actually how we dealt with these miscreants, I'm trying to find nice words other than the pejoratives that I really want to use.
00:13:49.000If this is how we dealt with them, this wouldn't be happening.
00:13:52.000You go away for 10 years, you touch a cop.
00:13:57.000We need the border wall right here.1.00
00:13:58.000By the way, these people are ridiculous.0.99
00:14:01.000This is the most insane objection to anything.1.00
00:14:04.000This is a hot spot on the border where cartels are smuggling.
00:14:07.000People and drugs, it needs to be shut down.
00:14:10.000This is poison coming into our country.
00:14:12.000This is crimes against humanity coming into our country.1.00
00:14:16.000And these idiots are worried about a cottonwood tree.1.00
00:14:19.000Well, and that's, they're not actually worried about the cottonwood tree.1.00
00:14:21.000That's the thing is, yeah, they may care a little bit about nature.
00:14:25.000They may care about the cottonwood tree, but that is the tool that they are using for their activism to actually get this border wall shut down.
00:14:32.000It's just that with leftists, you see this time and time again through 16 through now, is they attach themselves to Any movement to any topic that they see to further their revolution or their goals.
00:14:43.000You know, 2016 BLM, then the pro Palestinian movement with the riots and everything going on.
00:14:48.000And they just kind of hop from one thing to another because this didn't work or this advanced our cause at least this much.
00:14:54.000Okay, what's the next thing to advance our cause?
00:14:56.000And that's exactly what they're using here.
00:14:58.000Well, I mean, and it goes to a deeper, more fundamental level.
00:15:01.000I mean, you couldn't get conservatives to do this at all.
00:16:09.000And I would rather get in a firefight in Africa, right?0.74
00:16:13.000I was in Africa for a month last year.
00:16:15.000I'd rather get in five firefights than have to cover one of these events again.
00:16:18.000And why, you know, that sounds crazy is these people are so unpredictable.
00:16:22.000They're so volatile that any second can just alter your entire day or your entire life, right?
00:16:30.000They're just so unhinged to the extent that you don't know what they're going to do.
00:16:34.000At least in a situation where I'm in a firefight overseas or something, one of these more sketchy situations that it seems like on the surface, there's more control there.
00:16:42.000I have security, my security, they're professionals, right?
00:16:45.000In this situation, it's me, Brandon, and our camera operator.
00:16:48.000In the middle of nowhere, an hour and a half from the city.
00:16:51.000That's surrounded by law enforcement, though.
00:17:22.000That's pretty cowardly, but you can't really blame them when you've seen what's happened to all of our ICE agents around the country and the way that they're already talking about how to persecute these people.
00:17:30.000Yeah, that's really what's going on here the admin is probably trying to take a soft.
00:17:34.000Touch approach to not create a news cycle.0.91
00:17:38.000But the problem is, when you do this, you get this whole other news cycle where you get a Chaz Chop situation right at the border.
00:17:45.000We want to avoid viral videos of, I mean, certainly like someone getting shot, but Antifa members getting arrested, getting charged, getting in prison.
00:18:15.000And by the way, normal Arizonans want their border shut off and they don't want fentanyl and human trafficking coming up through the South.
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00:20:00.000Man, we got a ton of emails from you guys about that border story.
00:20:03.000I think my favorite was the guy who said, Do we have a kind of gun that shoots sound, like a sound gun that makes them poop their pants?0.69
00:21:29.000Protests going crazy at Cornell yesterday.
00:21:31.000Here are feminists roar, all this stuff.
00:21:34.000Heather McDonald, you are an apt observer of the human condition and of the pathogens that are infecting the modern mind.
00:21:42.000How do you view what happened at Cornell?
00:21:44.000Well, we're seeing the rule that you're supposed to believe survivors, but only when they tell you that they've been raped.
00:21:52.000If a putative survivor tells you she's not been raped, that's merely all the more proof that she's been raped so violently that she's in trauma.
00:22:03.000And cannot possibly process her experience accurately.
00:22:08.000And because the Jane Doe, and I hope she will be eventually unmasked, sent an amazing trove of evidence suggesting that she viewed this episode as voluntary, as consensual.
00:22:24.000I would like to submit the proposition that if you have been subjected to the second most violent felony that a female can ever experience in her life, which is rape.
00:22:35.000Second only to murder at a frat house, you do not solicit an invitation to go back to that rape den for more.
00:22:45.000And yet she was so happy when she finally got the invitation to go back and she called her alleged rapist her friends.
00:22:55.000And as you say, Andrew, it was only when the president of that frat house disinvited her for her own good because her reputation was being.
00:23:07.000And we can talk about how, what a discovery, a pleasant discovery to learn that the idea of slut is still allowed on campus.0.99
00:23:18.000But she proceeded to, you know, try and maintain as much contact with her alleged rapist as possible.0.90
00:23:27.000But if you believe Kathy Hochul, the governor of New York, if you believe Letitia James, if you believe Alexandra Ocasio Ortiz, most appallingly, if you believe the president of Cornell, Who we're supposed to assume has some shred of rationality and some, you know, reality based touch with his community, if you believe him, this was rape from the start.
00:23:52.000And what we need to do is beef up the campus rape bureaucracy even further.
00:23:58.000I feel like a way to more honestly frame this would be to stop calling it the Cornell 7 and start calling it the Cornell 1.
00:24:05.000Because that's who the wrongdoer here is.
00:24:07.000Well, I think there's a lot of bad behavior, but that is.
00:24:10.000There's a clear difference between dissolute, immoral behavior and actively decided to get the legal system involved, turn this into a giant nationwide story to, I feel we all agree, avoid confronting the reality of one's own behavior.
00:24:44.000Her texts are out there where she is exonerating her alleged rapists, where she is saying, love you to one of them, where she is saying, we all know that none of this was illegal, what went on that night.
00:25:01.000And yet all of that evidence is being systematically removed.
00:25:05.000Once reported, it then disappears from the record.
00:25:08.000And you have this absolutely conventional, trite, You know, by the book formulaic narrative coming out, which was that this was a rape, despite the evidence that's already on the record.
00:25:27.000And we'll see, you know, whose side wins at this point.
00:25:32.000The fabulists who are committed to the idea that there is a patriarchy, because this is something that goes way beyond the betrayal of universities of their academic mission.
00:25:54.000You know, we've seen the destruction of the due process protections that males should have in these kangaroo court tribunals.
00:26:06.000But the people that are committed to this narrative of a patriarchy that oppresses women have no shame.
00:26:14.000They're continuing with this, and we'll see if those wins or the people who can actually look at evidence.
00:26:22.000And draw rational conclusions from it.
00:26:25.000Well, you mentioned this destruction of males.
00:26:29.000I think it's very apt because Kathy Hochul, the governor of New York, has assigned Letitia James as the special prosecutor to investigate the criminality of this case, alleged criminality.
00:26:41.000And we have a clip of this special prosecutor, Letitia James, the most biased political prosecutor anywhere in the country, probably.0.99
00:26:50.000I mean, Chris Mays gives her a run for her money here in Arizona.
00:27:31.000I really wish you would go away silently because I can't listen to you anymore.
00:27:35.000But so, this woman who is on record saying things like too male, too pale, too stale is now in charge of the investigation into seven fraternity brothers at Cornell.0.97
00:27:47.000So, that right there tells me she should recuse herself because she is incapable of being unbiased and letting justice go where the facts lead.0.54
00:28:08.000Well, this was something that was, I hope, not an adumbration of the just grotesque violation of the law and of due process and legal procedure down in Duke, where a clearly psychotic black stripper was invited to a party at, I think, was it the rugby players?0.77
00:28:46.000And she spun this story about completely brutal, violent assault on her.
00:28:55.000None of the evidence bore this out the DNA evidence, the semen, you know, rape test kits none of it was borne out.
00:29:04.000And yet the district attorney in, Durham, North Carolina, proceeded to go after these lacrosse players in spite of the clear exculpatory evidence.
00:29:20.000And this was brought into our typical meta narrative that America is both racist and patriarchal.
00:29:31.000And the real sin that these lacrosse players had committed was being too pale and too male.
00:29:38.000Finally, Justice was done, but after years of struggle, they had their lives ruined, Heather.
00:30:13.000He is accusing Jane Doe of raping him.
00:30:18.000He is citing that he was too intoxicated to give consent.
00:30:22.000Ingalls reportedly told Cornell investigators that he was too intoxicated from alcohol and ketamine to give consent.
00:30:28.000Quote During Cornell's investigation, Ingalls said he was too intoxicated to consent and suggested that Jane Doe actually assaulted him, according to school records.
00:30:51.000She chose to partake in multiple threesomes.1.00
00:30:54.000But yet, so she has all her body, her choice.
00:30:57.000But yet, it is made to be believed if you look at the protesters and all this stuff that it's the seven dudes from Cornell and the Fred House that took away her choice.
00:31:09.000This is the complete double standard that we're supposed to banish traditional sexual mores that are actually.
00:31:17.000The only thing that is going to prevent more of these drunken bacchanals, which is sexual modesty, even, God forbid, chastity, and male chivalry.
00:31:29.000And we're supposed to believe that that's all oppressive and patriarchal, and that men and women, males and females, are absolutely equal on the sexual battleground field, and that the female libido is just as active, just as voracious, omnivorous as the male libido, all of which is completely untrue.
00:31:52.000So the females are strong women together.
00:31:54.000And yet, it turns out the way these campus rape narratives work is that it is still.
00:32:01.000Completely on the male's responsibility.
00:32:04.000He may be drunk, she may be drunk, but in traditional terms, and this is what the Ingalls suit is pushing back against, the male is responsible both for himself and for the female.
00:32:15.000She's viewed as a helpless victim, somebody without any agency.0.65
00:32:20.000Now, I'd be willing to sign on to that idea.1.00
00:32:24.000You know, I'm not a big fan of strong women together.1.00
00:32:27.000I think there are very real psychological and physical.0.97
00:32:32.000And frankly, cognitive differences between males and females.
00:32:36.000So let's go back to that because it would actually restore a thousand millennia long understandings about the complexity, the challenge, the difficulty, the mystery of sexual interaction.
00:32:54.000But if we're not going to go back to that, then this double standard that exonerates females and makes males their protectors is a complete.
00:33:05.000Hypocritical violation of the feminist norm.
00:33:11.000So, you know, this is a narrative that is unfalsifiable.
00:33:15.000We're told, Blake and Andrew, that we're supposed to believe survivors, but only when they're claiming their victimhood.
00:33:24.000If they say they're not victims, then you just chalk that up, you know, as I say, to the rape culture and they're being brainwashed into thinking that they're not victims.
00:33:44.000Everybody acted poorly and it's, it's terrible to see.0.96
00:33:49.000But here's the facts Jane Doe admitted to her sorority big sister that she was acting, the rumors of her acting like a, she used the word slut, were unfortunately true.0.84
00:34:01.000She texted one of the men she eventually accused of gang rape that none of the sexual stuff was illegal.0.87
00:34:07.000And honestly, I really like being with you and Matt.
00:34:11.00010 days later, she was so excited to go back to the same frat house where she was allegedly assaulted for the Halloween party that, Hart, I'll bring my SIGs tomorrow.
00:34:25.000And then she only decides after she gets disinvited by the president of that frat that it so I guess it happened October 19th, the alleged incident.0.79
00:34:35.000And then on November 3rd, she changed her story to, I was raped.0.87
00:34:47.000And now I understand sometimes things happen, there's a processing that happens there.
00:34:53.000But it doesn't, and I think this is the point where you can really help us here, Heather.
00:34:59.000It feels like, based on the facts, she regretted this sexual orgy thing that she did.
00:35:07.000And then she, in order to save face, in order to help her reputation, she changed her story.0.90
00:35:12.000And she's going to ruin seven boys' lives.
00:35:16.000I think a big picture, though, that we want to drive home is if she successfully pulls this off, if this leads to criminal charges, if this leads to changes in law, if this brings back the old Biden, Obama era, Title IX policies.0.99
00:35:32.000You should lay out what are we bringing back if we allow this story to grow out of control with the narrative they're trying to sell us?
00:35:38.000Well, you know, if males had any sense, they would start acting sensibly themselves because they are going to be facing and probably still are.
00:35:49.000A complete miscarriage, a perversion of justice.
00:35:53.000We're going to go back to these awful tribunals where the male is not allowed to confront his accuser.
00:36:04.000He may not even be told of the charges against him.
00:36:07.000This is throwing aside hundreds of years of one of the greatest accomplishments of Western civilization, which is due process of law.
00:36:17.000So males are going to be under constant threat.
00:36:21.000Of having their future lives destroyed.
00:36:24.000Here's what they should do if they had any sense.
00:36:27.000Don't get involved with a girl who's drunk, and when you're drunk as well, walk her home after a date, kiss her goodnight, give her some flowers, and walk away.1.00
00:36:42.000If the Title IX rape administrators really believed that what was going on on campuses is rape and not, as you say, Blake, simply regretted sex.0.98
00:36:55.000Regretted hookup sex, drunken hookup sex, where the female afterwards thinks, gee, he doesn't appear as moved by this as I am.0.91
00:37:03.000You know, I'm going to play the rape card.0.78
00:37:06.000If the Title IX administrators believed that females were operating in this tsunami of sexual violence, they would tell the females do not get drunk, get in bed with a guy who you may or may not know very well, and take off your clothes.0.84
00:37:21.000Instead, dance with the guy and go home, go to your bed at night.
00:37:25.000That would end this epidemic overnight.0.98
00:37:29.000There would be not a single rape left because this is drunken, regretted hookup sex, as you say.1.00
00:37:36.000And the fact is, if it is going on and females are so stupid to walk into it anyway, they don't believe they shouldn't be on college campus.1.00
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00:39:17.000Here to unpack this and to see if there is causation is Mike Benz, one of the guys that is the best at connecting the dots and best at following the money trails.
00:39:27.000Mike, welcome back to the show, my friend.
00:39:31.000You have called Brazil the Truman Show because it was basically astroturfed in so many ways.
00:39:38.000A lot of funding that you have tracked down.
00:39:40.000Tell us what you mean when it comes to Brazil and USAID.
00:39:44.000In 2018, when Bolsonaro swung into office in October of that year, there was a massive effort to basically stop his ability to govern and then to ultimately fund his ouster in the form of Lula and the Workers' Party that stretched for the first two years of the Trump administration and then the first two years of the Biden administration.
00:40:11.000And it is really a clean example of the foreign policy establishment not only being able to use a government agency to hijack U.S. foreign policy, but to do it behind the president's back because the way USAID is structured allows it to be even more flexible, deniable, and less oversight than even the Central Intelligence Agency.
00:40:34.000So if you want to get rid of a president in a foreign country, USAID is usually the best way, and I can walk through all the ways that was done in Brazil.
00:40:58.000Like, when they say we're funding civil society efforts in Brazil, how does that translate to a politically legible outcome we could recognize here?
00:41:17.000There's something that's really important, I think, for people to understand about the technical difference between the intelligence community and USAID, because it's something that is kind of a very nefarious underpinning of how USAID was able to get away with this.
00:41:32.000When the Central Intelligence Agency started getting in trouble in the 1960s and 70s and went through a number of reforms to its processes and practices, something called a presidential finding.
00:41:46.000Became required, which meant that every single covert action that the CIA does has to be approved in writing by the President of the United States.
00:41:56.000That way, there's no miscommunication about the President not authorizing a CIA covert action.
00:42:02.000USAID does not have that constraint on it.
00:42:06.000So, if USAID wants to do the equivalent of a CIA covert action but not tell the President about it, they can do that.
00:42:15.000And that's what What really distinguishes them both from state and CIA.
00:42:20.000So they were really able to go behind President Trump's back when it came to the situation in Brazil for the first two years of Bolsonaro's term and then went haywire during the Biden era.
00:42:33.000But on the civil society front, civil society is a kind of play, if you will.
00:42:41.000It preys on obviously the word civil, but really what's distinct from is governmental.
00:42:47.000So just in the same way that you have sort of criminal and civil.
00:42:51.000Court and criminal and civil procedure.
00:42:55.000When you're dealing with NGOs, when you're dealing with non governmental organizations that sweep across all the different layers of a society, they call that civil society to distinguish it from the public sector and to distinguish it from for profit companies.
00:43:11.000In every USAID operation, there's something that they refer to as a kind of whole of, well, they call it the whole of society framework, which is about mobilizing government actors, for profit private sector actors, non profit civil society actors, and media.
00:43:28.000And media can either be for profit or civil society, depending on whether it's a for profit or non profit.
00:43:35.000And so you get all four of those categories of institutions together, and you have virtually every institution in society.
00:43:44.000And that is a standard part of the playbook.
00:43:46.000And I can walk through, if you'd like more detail, about how that whole of society apparatus was mobilized to capture civil society in Brazil.
00:43:56.000And I do want to get in those details.
00:43:59.000You're basically saying after Bolsonaro was elected, USAID mobilized through Brazilian civil society, pumping money and strategy.
00:44:09.000I mean, are American officials flying down to Brazil, orchestrating this, architecting this?
00:44:16.000Is it that direct, saying, hey, we're going to get the left wing back in power and here's how we're going to do it?
00:44:21.000Well, it depends on what year you're talking about, I suppose.
00:44:26.000For 2018, 2019, 2020, during the Trump years, this was done through USAID funding.
00:44:33.000The National Endowment for Democracy, the Wilson Center, the Atlantic Council, the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, and a raft of the, what's something called the Consortium for Elections and Political Process Strengthening, CEPS, which are three of those that I just named are giant umbrella NGOs that themselves fund 20 to 30 sub NGOs underneath them.
00:44:59.000For example, in Brazil, the CEPS network, I think, stretched to about 50 disinformation.
00:45:06.000Related NGOs themselves, the TSE court, the Alexandra de Moraes court.
00:45:12.000I believe four of the nine flaggers on the court that had an inside WhatsApp line directly to Moraes were funded by USAID.
00:45:24.000The concept to form a task force on disinformation out of the TSE, the Alexandra de Moraes court, was basically.
00:45:35.000Invented by USAID grantees who ended up making up, I think, like something between 40 and 50 percent of the initial task force members.
00:45:47.000They became USAID, which was funding all the different NGOs that trained and staffed and flagged all of the disinformation online.
00:45:59.000And then I literally testified in front of the Brazilian Senate Foreign Relations Committee and showed pictures from the USAID grantee websites of them training.
00:46:08.000Alexandra de Moraes on disinformation.
00:46:12.000They actually sent some of their delegates, including the same people they used to censor the 2020 election in the United States, including the Stanford Internet Observatory, the Atlanta Council Digital Forensics Research Lab, who were all sent down there and made basically members of the court task force.
00:46:33.000You had insane situations where USAID was getting feedback from its grantees about how it was training the judges, and USAID.
00:46:45.000I'm trying to think about what I'm at liberty to say.
00:46:50.000There are documents that you can FOIA that would show how USAID would instruct its grantees to actually remove the USAID logo and change its guidance to the TSE court to remove references to Bolsonaro in its targeting of censorship because they were afraid that these USAID grantee directives would leak and it would show how politicized and how top down it was from the U.S. government.
00:47:18.000I think it's safe to say, Mike, you are the best.
00:47:22.000There is around at connecting dots that nobody else is connecting.
00:47:26.000It's crazy what you found, the way you've dissected the British censorship apparatus, especially.
00:47:31.000I was so impressed by when you were laying out, oh, this is how the UK government actually funds these orgs, and then they lobby to censor people in the US, and you get that transatlantic traffic, so to speak, where that's how they control speech.
00:47:45.000They go to Britain when they can't do it in America, they go to America when they can't do it in America.
00:47:48.000Well, and fundamentally, I feel different about the transatlantic thing than I do about the Western Hemisphere thing, because this is our hemisphere.
00:47:57.000And I'm a non interventionist guy, but this is why what I think Marco is doing throughout Latin America is really, really important.
00:48:05.000But what you're saying is that there was a concerted effort, right at the break, you said this, to remove USAID markers, to remove mentions of Bolsonaro, because they knew what they were doing was blatantly, brazenly political and biased.
00:48:50.000It reminds me of a sort of acme cartoon where, I don't know, someone gives Wile E. Coyote a present and there's a bomb inside or that sort of thing.
00:49:02.000Parting gift from USAID when he was the policy and budget director in the 1980s was a USAID hand grenade.
00:49:09.000If you recall, he held that up on Piers Morgan.
00:49:12.000It was a hand grenade from USAID with his name engraved.
00:49:15.000And I think that's just a very apt way to understand the agency's operations in disguise.
00:49:21.000But in Brazil, what you had was, now again, Brazil is the second largest, sort of, you know, Andrew, what you were saying about the importance of the Western Hemisphere and various.
00:49:52.000It's the, I think, world's largest producer of beef and other food products.
00:49:58.000And what it does in terms of its trade has a significant impact both on the U.S. and on U.S. businesses.
00:50:08.000And Financial firms, in terms of their investments, because there is just a lot of money to swing around that hangs in the balance.
00:50:18.000And, you know, famously, Lula has transitioned his economy in significant part to the Chinese rather than to the Americans.
00:50:26.000But I think, given the overlap between sort of the Chinese diplomatic and financial sphere and many of the folks around the Biden foreign policy and national security world, there's a weird natural synergy there in terms of what happened.
00:50:41.000But in terms of, I mean, obviously the U.S. has been involved in Brazil since at least the 1960s when there was the sort of military coup that the U.S. played a fairly significant role in.
00:50:55.000But what we've seen over the past decade is a kind of reversal of the Cold War, where instead of having, you know, sort of right wing regime changes of left wing administrations for oil, You have a kind of reverse where you have left wing regime changes of right wing governments for like clean energy.
00:51:25.000Mike, just because we only have a couple minutes here first, so of course we did dismantle USAID.
00:51:31.000That's what's led to this speculation.
00:51:33.000We've been able to uncork a right wing revolution, as it were, throughout Latin America.
00:51:38.000Is there anything additional that the Trump administration should be doing to make sure this doesn't come back if we get another Democrat government or just to?
00:51:46.000Remove remaining pieces of this apparatus where they might exist in the DC blob or around the world?
00:51:53.000And then finally, after answering that, if you have a second, do we have to watch out for anything in Brazil?
00:51:58.000It looks like odds are very good the runoff will go Bolsonaro's way, but are there tricks that the Lula regime might use to do something a little sinister and shady?
00:52:10.000First, I think on your first question, I think naming and shaming and putting things on a jumbotron actually has a very powerful chilling effect, even without the permanence of legislation.
00:52:21.000Even without an executive order or, I don't know, some compelling lawsuit outcome that legally bars that from happening again.
00:52:29.000When people see their predecessors getting dunked on and posterized, they don't want to be that next person when they go into government and be kind of the next person in line as soon as another four years goes by to be dunked on.
00:52:48.000And I do think that having transparency around the USAID files, being able to publish them publicly is of.
00:53:45.000And a huge part of that, which kind of gets to the second part of Blake's question, is it connects to everything else.
00:53:53.000USAID did not act as an island, it coordinated with the State Department, it coordinated with the National Security Council, it coordinated with the Department of Work, it coordinated with the European Commission.
00:54:03.000It coordinated with NATO and the Brits and the German Ministry of Foreign Affairs and the like.
00:54:14.000And so, removing that doesn't just get rid of the agency itself.
00:54:18.000It gets rid of a lot of touch points into a lot of rogue, completely independent actors on U.S. national security and foreign policy.
00:54:27.000But what I would say is the one thing that does concern me is if you take away that.
00:54:35.000Such a powerful soft power element, the compulsion to replace that with hard power through having the military do what used to be done, having the military do ham fistedly what used to be done relatively slickly by USAID has its own set of drawbacks.
00:54:56.000Do you think, and that makes perfect sense, we've got 20 seconds here, are you concerned about the runoff on October 25th in Brazil?
00:55:06.000The TSE court has a tremendous amount of power.
00:55:09.000You know, they could, in theory, do what was done in Romania and what was threatened to be done in Germany, where, you know, they could technically find some reason to try to annul or to try to mass ban everything.
00:55:22.000But I think at this point, the diplomatic pressure would be extremely intense and it may be better to go gracefully.
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00:56:25.000We know what we know, obviously, about whatever the Russians have provided, which is it seems that there was a worker at the lab that was infected, and there's concern that that, you know, could have spread at least internally.0.71
00:56:37.000So you've seen them do quarantines and deaths of that nature.
00:56:41.000There's very limited travel between the U.S. and Russia, obviously, but like anything else, something like that gets out and could quickly spread.
00:56:57.000So, a lot of you have probably heard about this plague outbreak.
00:57:01.000Well, we got to figure out how bad it is, how concerned we should be out of Russia.
00:57:06.000But if you were like me, are we going to have another plague?
00:57:09.000You're literally having PTSD, you're getting like a twitch, mysterious disease, covet all over style country, lab outbreak by yeah, tyrannical dictatorship.
00:58:18.000Pneumonic plague is actually not that infectious, which is perhaps what this young 28 year old suffered from, laboratory technician.
00:58:29.000And so this is really not, even Mr. Rubio overstated a bit.
00:58:36.000This is not a big worry for rapid spread.
00:58:42.000What this institute is, is a facility that is involved in an extensive Russian surveillance network.
00:58:51.000For Yersinia pestis, bubonic or plague in general, and its primary focus is on Mongolia.
00:58:59.000It has nothing to do with the Ukrainian border, and it does turn out that there was just a series of isolations of plague in Mongolia through August.
00:59:14.000So, those isolates where there's been an outbreak in marmots, among other things, and a couple of cases of bubonic plague where people have been infected by.
00:59:26.000So they went, they did isolation and monitoring, they came back with strains, those were processed.
00:59:35.000This laboratory where Daria Shipilova worked as a laboratory technician was the one, and a laboratory technician specifically working on plague, was the one that would then process the samples from the primary isolates in Mongolia.
00:59:55.000And I'll tell you just the punchline right now.
00:59:59.000All of my analysis, deep dive, applied artificial intelligence algorithms, et cetera, et cetera, all says that this is just some single person event.
01:00:14.000There were 200 primary contacts, so first point of contact, because she was in hospitals for four days.
01:00:21.000And all of those have been isolated, and they're now at the end of the period of typical incubation for pneumonic plague.
01:00:30.000And there is no new cases that have been announced.
01:00:33.000There has been some quarantine activity in five hospitals in the region, presumably because the people she would have been in contact with would have been hospital workers.
01:00:46.000Everything I'm seeing is appropriate infectious disease control protocol applied in an area that has significant expertise and some history with plague because of the endemic plague that's present.
01:01:06.000And what's odd here is a few other things having to do with the communications and the statements made that they're sure that the Institute has investigated itself and it's sure that there was no breach of protocol and that she did not get infected by anything she was working with in the Institute.
01:01:28.000But they're not revealing any PCR results, they're not revealing any sequence results.
01:01:34.000So, the things that would allow the outside world to cross check this story are not available.
01:01:41.000And that's typical in these kinds of situations there is some degree of cover up by the folks that are closest to the event because they don't want to take ownership.
01:01:52.000You know, this is an authoritarian environment.0.88
01:01:54.000And if you're in charge of that institute and this happened under your watch and it's a black guy to the republic, there's probably going to be career consequences.0.99
01:02:06.000The default action always in this kind of situation is to deny, deny, deny.1.00
01:02:11.000And that happens here in the United States too.
01:02:14.000How long have we been talking about, let's say, Ralph Barak's lab?
01:02:18.000So I think we can't cast stones in this one.
01:02:22.000So you do mention they're not having ideal communications.
01:02:26.000Even if you're pretty confident this is not a reason for us to panic yet, is there any justification for this to be something we should worry about?
01:02:34.000This is so pneumonic plague, it is significantly more fatal than bubonic plague.
01:02:41.000It can spread person to person through respiratory droplets, even if.
01:02:47.000Is this something we should worry that a state actor, Russia, China, Iran, any random country, might be working on to make it as a bioweapon something that we should look out for?
01:02:59.000So there is a long history that extends to World War II and really before that.
01:03:04.000But it was attempted to be weaponized and it was deployed as a plague by the Japanese forces.0.64
01:03:12.000I think it was in China that they did it.0.91
01:03:14.000So every major nation that was involved in.0.94
01:03:19.000Bio warfare development historically has had a plague program.
01:03:25.000Most of them have also developed plague vaccine candidates, and that includes the US and the UK.
01:04:06.000The only reason you would be worried is if you happened to be in that particular 600 person town and you were somebody that knew this unfortunate young woman and she had coughed directly on you.
01:04:19.000That would be about where you would have to have some concern.
01:04:23.000So, Dr. Malone, it looks like, you know, there was a bunch of technicians or scientists that were quarantined in a lab.
01:04:31.000There's also a rumor of a broken tube, a test tube of some sort in this site, but I'm getting conflicting reports.
01:05:04.000The laboratory has said that whatever she died of, it had nothing to do with anything she was working with, et cetera, et cetera.
01:05:13.000One, there's two, as far as I'm concerned, viable hypotheses going here.
01:05:18.000One is that she was processing some new isolate that was particularly pathogenic and she didn't have good laboratory hygiene for a BSL 3 laboratory.
01:05:32.000The other is that she had been traveling and she might have traveled into regions where plague is endemic, but that wouldn't explain pneumonic plague.
01:05:41.000So I think we're pretty tight down on something happened in the laboratory.
01:05:47.000The laboratory probably knows about it.
01:05:49.000And by the way, most of those quarantines were not from the laboratory, they were from the hospitals because she was out into the community for four days without a diagnosis until she died.
01:06:01.000So that means that she was in contact with a lot of hospital people, not so much her laboratory colleagues.
01:06:07.000Dr. Malone, when you say that if she was out in, let's say she made contact with some marmot, right, you're saying that couldn't have been the cause of this?
01:06:18.000Because that would have typically what that would have led to is getting infected by fleas.
01:06:27.000And that results in bubonic plague, not pneumonic plague.
01:06:31.000So, what we do know in terms of her proximity to plague is that there was this September.
01:06:40.000Campaign to identify new isolates from Mongolia in the region where it's now emerged because of marmots crossing over a mountain range.
01:06:50.000And those samples would have gone to another laboratory and then been isolated, processed, and passed off.
01:07:00.000And she is reasonably likely to be the one that would receive those samples.
01:07:06.000So it could be that she experienced contact in some way.
01:07:11.000With a primary sample out of Mongolia that might have been more pathogenic.
01:07:16.000That is a pure speculation hypothesis, but it fits all the investigations.
01:07:22.000And we have had to dive deeply into Russian literature, thank heavens for Russian translation programs, in order to get to this.
01:07:31.000We've been through many, you know, the scientific literature there, the publications from this institute, et cetera, to put together this story.
01:07:39.000So, just to kind of make sure I'm summarizing and hearing you right, this is in a region with a lot of plague, right?
01:07:51.000So this laboratory exists to essentially research the new isolates, as you call them, new variants of plague that may be existing within the animal population.
01:08:19.000The United States, we get less than seven cases a year, mostly bubonic plague, and less than 8% is pneumonic plague, and no documented person to person spread since 1924.
01:08:31.000So there's a lot of this, this does not feel like coronavirus, but there is a lot of, there is a lot of secrecy.
01:08:39.000And it, you know, you hear, you think of Chernobyl, you think of the way that Russia dealt with that whole thing.
01:08:46.000I would, I would rather the secrecy, I think the, you know, the usual, the easiest explanation is incompetence.
01:09:27.000Anytime, I mean, there's a fundamental lesson here.
01:09:30.000Anytime you have central control and planning, and you still have centralized control and planning in modern Russia, even though it's not former Soviet Russia, anytime you have that, you have a huge gap between what is the ground truth and what is the official narrative because it's got to filter up through multiple places, and everybody that's touching that information has a stake in it.
01:09:57.000And so by the time it gets up to officialdom in Moscow and the official public health agency, I think it's Rasporto Nabazar or something like that.
01:10:12.000It's been highly filtered and it really doesn't reflect what's actually known at the ground level, which is what that initial report was from a local reporting ground truth, such as, for instance, that apparently the physicians in the area are all abuzz about plague.
01:10:31.000So, the official party line is this was not plague.
01:10:38.000It had nothing to do with anything that she was working with.
01:10:42.000And I think that we're going to see that become a modified limited hangout and we're going to see it updated gradually over the next few weeks.
01:10:49.000Well, so you talk about the beginning of this interview how fear sells, right?
01:10:54.000I think there's no greater sinner in this regard than CNN.
01:11:26.000Russia so far is saying this is contained.
01:11:28.000How can the United States actually verify that?
01:11:33.000So, the U.S. would be using intelligence assets available to them and obviously trying to work with the Russian government because you're right, things don't make sense.
01:11:39.000But it's the Russians' constant way of managing these things that causes more problems than anything else.
01:11:44.000Well, the Kremlin's saying don't give in to speculation.0.89
01:11:46.000The vial theory, for example, if this is a worker trained to handle plague, the bacteria the doctor just mentioned, and it broke, they would have known to immediately been decontamination, go into isolation, and would have prophylactically been given these antibiotics and wouldn't have stumbled in the hospital four days later.
01:12:00.000At least that's sort of what's coming out now or something along those timelines.
01:12:03.000So, the facts just don't really add up right now.
01:12:05.000And that's the problem there's more answers or there's more.
01:12:24.000So what you basically had there was an acknowledgement that CNN is not actually doing journalism because they could have done the same work that we did.
01:12:36.000And it's just myself and my wife working here out of Madison, Virginia.
01:12:40.000Publishing stuff and running our algorithm.
01:12:48.000They should up their game, but there's no reason to because fear cells and these kinds of insinuations seem to be their stock in trade, as well as for many of the other mainstream media.
01:13:01.000I'm calling these people media entrepreneurs.
01:13:04.000They're basically selling clicks, likes, and follows in whatever way they can.
01:13:10.000And I think we should probably, being a Christian broadcast, We should try to extend empathy to these poor souls.
01:13:26.000I'm a little pressed too, but we do need to be Christian about this as much as possible.
01:13:33.000Well, so I think that was important, though, to play because that does sort of outline how this has been covered and why a lot of us are like, uh oh, is this COVID 2.0?
01:13:42.000Is this a Chernobyl like incident in Russia?
01:13:56.000Now, it seems like this worker, the test tube, even just from that clip, this test tube theory did something, did a vial break in the lab.
01:14:05.000That seems to indicate it probably didn't, right?
01:14:08.000Because to his point, if it would have broken in the lab, she would have been treated prophylactically in advance with these antibodies, and she wasn't.
01:14:17.000She stumbled into a hospital four days later.
01:14:23.000I agree, but that doesn't mean there wasn't some breach.
01:14:27.000And so the official party line is there wasn't, that everything was followed appropriately.
01:14:33.000But the Wuhan Institute of Virology insisted that they had fully followed protocol also, and there wasn't any chance that it was a lab leak.
01:14:46.000The default response of an institute, by the way, that in this case investigated itself, is going to be to say, no, no, no, we didn't do anything wrong.
01:14:55.000And whether it was some small aerosol.
01:15:03.000It doesn't make sense that she would breathe an aerosol because she should have been anything that she did should have been operated within a biosafety cabinet.
01:15:13.000So, Dr. Malone, we have still doesn't make sense.
01:15:15.000Yeah, we have 90 seconds here, so it's going to be quick.
01:15:18.000But, you know, pneumonia can kill within 24 hours.
01:16:16.000But I think the gaps are most easily explained as the usual kind of incompetence in messaging and failure of transparency, which, once again, I don't think we're in any position to cast stones on that front.