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00:01:39.000That really the whole country is talking about.
00:01:42.000It's number one in the news, it's number one online, and we are gonna dig into it.
00:01:48.000And yes, this is the case of Lindsay Clancy, the woman who has, and admits, by the way, does not deny that she strangled her own children.
00:02:01.000So I'm gonna tell you that right now if you don't wanna listen to this episode, if this is something that, you know, it's a little too heavy for you, it's just not your style, it's not your speed.
00:02:09.000Hey, that's what we're going to be talking about.
00:02:11.000And we're not going to be graphic about it.
00:02:13.000We're not going to talk about those things.
00:02:14.000What we're going to talk about is the fact that she is getting people online who are supportive of her.
00:02:22.000And I don't just mean supportive in terms of saying, like, oh, Big Pharma played a role.
00:02:27.000I mean, they're actually saying she didn't do it or even that she may have done the right thing, which is insane.
00:05:04.000You know, for anyone who's been living under a rock, it is obviously the saddest and most horrific murder trial in America that's going on right now.
00:05:13.000And if you didn't know this, in the Boston area, a mother, a young mother, three beautiful little kids, father comes home, finds the mother has jumped out the window, is injured.
00:05:30.000He calls 911, tries to get her help, goes inside, and finds the children's bodies.
00:05:36.000strangled to death in the basement with exercise bands.
00:05:40.000Lindsay Clancy herself is now paralyzed permanently from the, I guess, the waist down, I believe.
00:05:47.000And she survived her fall, which was a suicide attempt.
00:05:52.000And the big crux of this story is the fact that she was on an extremely large amount of pharmaceuticals and just an entire big pharma cocktail.
00:06:06.000And she is essentially declaring, she's not disputing that she killed the children, her own children, but what she's saying is that it was sort of a temporary psychosis induced by big pharmaceuticals.
00:06:19.000Blake, anything else you want to add to that?
00:06:21.000Yeah, so there's so many layers to this.
00:06:24.000So, yeah, the defense claimed no contest that she did it, but the idea is she was totally, she was like completely not sensible to the world due to her level, like the amount of drugs she was on.
00:06:36.000In fact, I want to rattle off the list here because I think.
00:07:22.000You can see there's anti anxiety meds in there, there's antidepressants in there.
00:07:27.000The idea is she was failed by the system, put on all of these drugs way too quickly, drove her mental state into a total disarray, and caused her to commit this heinous crime.
00:07:38.000I will note her husband's seen, as far as I know, they did divorce.
00:07:42.000Her husband is remarried to someone else, but I believe he has taken her side in this case.
00:07:48.000I should also note they are both suing the pharmaceutical companies and I think the hospital that she went to for all of this.
00:08:11.000On the other hand, what I would say is let's imagine a different situation.
00:08:16.000I think that if a 19 year old male was put on a similar amount of drugs and snapped and went and did a school shooting, for example, and tried to say, I should be found not guilty because it was just caused by those drugs.
00:08:31.000I don't think anyone would remotely entertain that for a second.
00:08:34.000We would say, even if those contributed heavily, that is such a monstrous act.
00:08:41.000I think there is a bit of a double standard in play here that would not apply to anything except, sickeningly enough, a mother killing her own children.
00:08:51.000I'd say, even if this contributed, you're getting convicted.
00:08:55.000But what's wild about this is, and this is what we really want to dive into, is the number of people who just, they're conjuring up an entire alternate reality about this.
00:09:04.000So, Well, hey, Blake, before we get into that, let's go around.
00:09:09.000And I know the case is still ongoing, but just first glance, when you look at something like this, let's say what we all think would be the requisite punishment for this.
00:09:23.000And I would say, look, I would say if there weren't these medications involved, I would say death penalty.
00:09:29.000But because they are involved, I would call that a mitigating factor.
00:09:31.000And I would say she should be locked up for life.
00:09:42.000I could say, as a mitigating circumstance, yeah, that you might be spared the death penalty, but I think, and I don't think that's on the table in Massachusetts anyway.
00:10:12.000Well, I'm like, I still have so many questions around this whole thing because I'm just reading through the hellscape that is Reddit and just seeing some of these crazy people face to face.
00:10:45.000I agree with you where it's like one of those scenarios where it's like she needs to go away for a long time.
00:10:52.000The premeditation element of trying to kill your kids, no matter what influence of drugs and what cocktail, what you're going through, how much severe depression you're going through, everything else, that's beside the point.
00:11:08.000Like to me, insanity defense should be reserved for, in my opinion, When you are totally out of touch with reality.
00:11:18.000So, like, if a mentally handicapped person kills someone because they don't even understand that they're hurting them or that they're killing a person, I get that there.
00:11:27.000But a person who has enough, frankly, presence of mind to be able to kill one child, then another, then the other, and to wait until someone left the home to do it because otherwise they would be stopped, that is a person with enough presence of mind to be punished for this crime.
00:11:45.000All right, let's get Cliff in before we go all the way down.
00:11:50.000Yeah, look, when I first read the headlines, to understand, like you guys said, that she told her husband to leave the house, right?
00:11:56.000That's about as premeditated as it gets to plan, to conjure, to have him leave the house and have a woman strangle three of her own children immediately, not even knowing what state it was.
00:12:06.000I'm thinking, yes, death penalty 100%, maximum sentence in a state like Massachusetts, maybe it's life imprisoned.
00:12:12.000I think the one pause I have is Blake, when you read off that list of medications that she's on, I mean, there's no world where a doctor or any type of medical system should be prescribing.
00:12:25.000And from what I know, I mean, she's taking all of these.
00:12:28.000I think it was multiple doctors too, by the way.
00:12:31.000I think it was a case where, like, one doctor prescribed some stuff, but they didn't maybe know that the other doctor, you know what I mean?
00:12:50.000She might have been medicated, but to tell your husband to leave the house, strangle your three kids, you belong locked up in prison forever.
00:13:08.000My dad worked at Cliff, the Norristown State Hospital in Norristown, PA, and his entire career, just under 30 years, which was a psychiatric hospital.
00:13:49.000And just kind of lining up the whole story and has worked with that.
00:13:54.000So it's something I've always been aware of.
00:13:56.000And as a society, I do think that you need a place for people like that, whether or not it's You know, in this case, chemically induced or whatever.
00:14:08.000I think that every society throughout history is always going to have a certain quotient of people that, for whatever reason, have a break with reality.
00:14:40.000I mean, if you guys walk down the street of any major city, right, the amount of mentally disturbed people that are not just homeless, they're not just drug addicts, they're not just alcoholics.
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00:16:27.000I've got to be frank, it annoys me because I've been hearing this cyclically for my entire adult life.
00:16:32.000It'll go, there's a bunch of vagrants who are committing crimes, or people are doing dozens of crimes and getting arrested and then released, and they're not being held that long and they're not being charged.
00:16:41.000And this will get brought up, and people will point out, oh, well, it's because we cleared out the asylums.
00:16:45.000And when you bring that up, what always then follows up is like liberals will come out and they'll say, that was Reagan's fault.
00:16:50.000Reagan's the one who emptied out the asylums.
00:17:32.000Yeah, this whole defund, the metal institutions push goes back to one floor of the cuckoo's nest.
00:17:39.000And this, by the way, the same way that the anti nuclear trend in the 1970s goes back to the film The China Syndrome, which is also the name of my first band.
00:17:51.000And it just became this like, oh my gosh, we can't have nuclear power, everyone's going to die.
00:17:57.000Same way, One Floor of the Cuckoo's Nest, it came out in that era, and suddenly it was like, oh, we have to.
00:18:02.000Shut down all the asylums, nurse ratchet.
00:18:19.000We can point out that there are things that Republicans and Democrats likewise have done that we disagree with.
00:18:26.000Nixon also had price controls, by the way, we disagree with that.
00:18:29.000And so, you know, the idea that we're gonna sit here and play this partisan game with it, it's like, You're just kicking the can down the road rather than actually doing what we need to do.
00:18:39.000But guys, I think we've, speaking of kicking the can down the road, we need to engage with who really belongs in the asylums, which is basically all of the true crime podcast obsessives.
00:18:52.000I don't know what else to describe it as, but this is the insanity around the case.
00:18:56.000Jack or Tyler, whichever of you has the better, maybe you can one up each other.
00:19:02.000What's the most insane thing you're seeing people do where they're not even debating the question of, Okay, does this qualify as the sort of murder where someone should go away?
00:19:12.000They're embracing a truly alternate version of reality on this case.
00:19:23.000I'm just scrolling through all of the debates that are being had about, and again, it just is, it's kind of reminiscent of some of the things that we've seen in recent months.
00:19:35.000It's like people just like, I mean, look, you go to Reddit.
00:19:39.000You go to Reddit, you're basically going to the cancer factory to begin with.
00:19:42.000So, you know, like you know what you're getting into, but I would like to hear what's going on over there down at the old cancer plant.
00:19:49.000Well, I think some of these things are pretty obvious.
00:19:52.000So there's the baseline argument about what was prescribed, and there's a clear confusion about the facts, right?
00:20:07.000And it looks like a big debate exists out there.
00:20:10.000And so a lot of this is a misunderstanding that all of the drugs that are on the list were prescribed to her at the same time.
00:20:46.000And I'll just, I'll even, I'll respond to that though, that these types of drugs, just because they're, first of all, you know, mommy brain is real.
00:20:55.000So, when you have a child, now I think her youngest was eight months.
00:20:58.000She didn't just have the child, but she was in that one year window.
00:21:03.000And that mommy brain is 100% real, that all sorts of things happen hormonally with women, spiritually, biologically, all that when they have a child.
00:21:13.000That also doesn't mean that it's okay to kill your kids.
00:21:17.000But the idea that you're taking those drugs at the same time you're experiencing all of that hormonal activity is going on.
00:21:27.000Is it even if you took it one time and so you know to the point of oh, well, she took them exactly at the same time or together, they stay in your system.
00:21:35.000This isn't like, um, you know, like an aspirin or something, like these are very serious antipsychotic drugs.
00:21:42.000Sarah, you said sarum, saracol, I think, lamictol, you said, uh, colazapan.
00:21:46.000It's just very serious mind altering drugs.
00:21:48.000So, some of the arguments that are being made is that she kept going in, seeing a specialist, and then rejecting.
00:21:58.000The drugs that were prescribed, or saying that the drugs weren't working on her within just days after getting prescribed the drugs.
00:22:06.000And then she was being put on other drugs.
00:22:08.000And then was she still just taking the other drugs, still?
00:22:43.000If you're not paying attention, this is just like a gigantic thing.
00:22:45.000Like, this is there are people, this is all they've been watching all week or all the past two weeks because I think we're on day 11 of the trial or so as we record this.
00:22:53.000And okay, I'll explain that article when we get to that point.
00:22:58.000But there's yeah, there's the crazy has exploded.
00:23:19.000But people online on TikTok, there are diehard Lindsey Clancy supporters who believe that she has been framed from the start by her husband.
00:23:31.000And their main arguments for this are well, let's read one of these, for example.
00:24:12.000They believed the man, is what she says.
00:24:18.000Another one, Christine on TikTok, she says, her theory, and this is something we just heard about today from one of the girls in the office.
00:24:25.000So, when she was found, the mom, because she jumped out of a window into the snow and was found kind of knocked out and like nearly died because she was freezing.
00:24:33.000She says, my theory, he killed her, meaning the mom, so attempted to kill her, much earlier in the day.
00:24:39.000And all the crap on the phone and the pics and the searches on her phone was him using her phone for the alibi he needed.
00:25:31.000So, some critics have accused Patrick of missing warning signs and failing to protect his own children, which I would certainly agree with.
00:25:40.000But some cruel viral posts have suggested without evidence that Patrick was somehow involved in the murders.
00:25:49.000Let's see, let's see, let's see, let's see.
00:26:17.000And their relentless online scrutiny had clearly worn her down in recent months, even as she continued pushing forward with her life and career as a fertility doctor at a New York. Clinic.
00:26:45.000They've been trying to claim that his relationship was some kind of, you know, some kind of motivator.
00:26:53.000Others have accused him as a form of neglect.
00:26:57.000For leaving Lindsay home alone with the children that night in January 2023, even though her own treating doctors had assured him that she was no danger.
00:27:07.000That it's going completely nuts, people are saying.
00:28:40.000And people are, they're just posting his, like, His face and saying, Oh, he kind of does look a bit like Sam Altman, basically.
00:28:46.000So I guess they're just deciding he has an evil face.
00:28:50.000And this is consuming hundreds, thousands, dare I say, millions of people are building these castles in the clouds.
00:28:59.000Again, no one on the defense team is alleging this.
00:29:02.000Lindsay herself has never alleged this.
00:29:03.000Like, a lot of them are basically saying he would be such a narcissistic psychopath that he did it and then he gaslit her into thinking that she'd done it.
00:29:13.000They're dreaming up realities like that in this case.
00:29:17.000The crappy part about this whole thing, and as you read this and read these people making up these random things, is now shifted from as the facts come out and as the trial is happening, you know, and we see some of this, right?
00:29:31.000Now they're shifting from, oh, okay, well, he didn't do it.
00:29:35.000Now we're seeing like ripples where, like, oh, okay, maybe he didn't do it, but he is now sketchy.
00:29:41.000And look at, like you said, like they're cluing in on his face and saying how he's a terrible person.
00:29:48.000And the reality is, you know, for whatever.
00:29:51.000You know, for all it's worth, like other people have come in and been like, he's always been a good dad.
00:33:12.000And then takes the older two outside to play.
00:33:14.000That afternoon, Lindsay searched for both Pedialax online as well as Takeout 3V.
00:33:20.000Prosecution claims that she was searching for how far it was to figure out how much time she had to find the phone number for the closest CVS, which she did and calls and asks about the kids' Pedialax, which they say they do have in stock.
00:33:32.000Patrick claims to have made the call to Lindsay from CVS, saying they didn't have the on brand.
00:33:37.000They only had the generic version, but the evidence shows that he purchased the Pedialax.
00:33:42.000So then she looks up the restaurant 3V, right?
00:33:44.000She texts Patrick and asks if he's okay with takeout.
00:33:51.000He claims Dawson was eating chicken nuggets on the couch, but in the evidence photos, there is not a crumb on the kids' plates on the counter.
00:33:58.000So apparently, during this triple murder suicide crunch time, Lindsay also stopped to do the dishes.
00:34:04.000Patrick leaves for CVS and 3V, and Shannon, the DA, says that's when the clock starts.
00:34:09.000She then takes the children to the basement.
00:34:11.000Shannon says that Lindsay takes the children to the basement.
00:34:13.000She separates Dawson from Cora and Callan.
00:34:17.000Okay, so we heard a little bit of the weird stuff there.
00:34:20.000Like, oh, there's no crumbs on plates in the photos, and that, you know, in the prison.
00:34:29.000And we've talked about the cancer that is the true crime community on this show for years, even when Charlie was still here and co hosting, because what they do is they take these cases of obviously guilty people.
00:34:47.000And in this case, keep in mind, in this case, Lindsey Clancy's lawyers are not contesting the facts.
00:34:54.000They are not contesting what the state alleges she did.
00:35:30.000But what they do is they stick into something that they claim is an inconsistency to then try to paint this bigger, broader picture fitting what they believe is, you know, their truth, my truth, quote unquote, that somehow, ipso facto, the husband did it.
00:35:49.000When that's not how a chain of logic works, that's not evidence of anything.
00:35:57.000It is simply the normal type of thing that comes up in an investigation.
00:36:02.000Where perhaps one person says something, perhaps they misremembered, perhaps they, perhaps that, you know, in recollections, especially when you're dealing with an emotional situation, maybe the chicken nuggets were for breakfast or, you know, for lunch or whatever.
00:36:15.000You know, the point of the matter is that doesn't change any of the salient points of the case, but you've got this guy, which by the way, anyone who's a trained investigator would know, because guess what percentage of cases have, you know, have something like that?
00:36:30.000But what you have to do is just focus on the material evidence.
00:36:36.000Well, let me make one comment that I think that, you know, anyone who's saying, well, why were the plates not full of these chicken nugget crumbs?
00:36:42.000If you're insane enough to strangle three of your children, and then the argument is that, oh, well, then who would then go and do the dishes?
00:36:51.000A crazy person would go and do anything that seems out of the ordinary because you just strangled your three children.
00:37:00.000People laser focus on some of these points, but it's like you're missing the whole point of her strangling her children and then acting like she's going to have coherent thoughts.
00:37:09.000And make decisions that are in tune with reality.
00:38:02.000No, and that movie reminds people what goes on in that movie.
00:38:05.000What reminds people what goes on in that movie is, I believe, Sydney Sweeney is a housemaid, and she goes into some superficially idyllic family.
00:38:17.000Secretly abusive, and for no reason, she murders him.
00:38:21.000For no reason, yeah, they murder the husband, and then she gets away with it.
00:38:27.000Like, they murder the husband together, I should say.
00:38:29.000And then, so it's Sidney Sweeney and Amanda Seyfred.
00:38:31.000Sidney Sweeney is the wife, Sidney Sweeney is the eponymous housemaid, and she gets away with it.
00:38:40.000And then that sets up the rest of the series, where she then gets hired out by other women who are in similar situations, and then she goes and then kills their husbands as well.
00:38:51.000And I said when this came out that if you guys remember, you can go back and Blake, thank you for reminding us of this.
00:38:58.000That I was spurging out that this is turning feminists and female brains into absolute mush and it is weaponizing women.
00:39:09.000It's what I call, I think I called it Radio Rwanda for women, um, when they're listening to this stuff because it was completely insane.
00:39:16.000And I had so many people pushing back on me saying, Oh, Jack, I watched it, I just thought it was a thrill.
00:39:21.000I'm like, No, I don't think you understand what's going on on a subliminal level here.
00:40:11.000And when you are, this feels like it's happening at scale, that there are millions, tens of millions, possibly even, women who are marinating in true crime stuff, who are marinating in stuff like the housemaid.
00:40:27.000They love using, they love talking about.
00:40:30.000Gaslighting and narcissistic personality disorder, and all these things.
00:40:35.000And they love to dream up these scenarios.
00:41:04.000That they kind of get a thrill about it.
00:41:07.000It's like, I know something that nobody else knows, and I'm uncovering the truth that the establishment, I don't exactly know who the establishment is here in this case, that they don't want us to know.
00:41:22.000And that the heart of hardcore feminism is, of course, rebellion.
00:41:29.000And so it's like this rebellion against the established order.
00:41:33.000And in Female media, this is every single story is the same story these days, whether it's Housemaid or whether it's Bridgerton or whether it is The Handmaid's Tale.
00:41:48.000It's just like this, like women's and not just liberation, like in terms of go to the workplace, it's like anti male propaganda.
00:41:56.000All right, Cliff, what were you saying?
00:41:58.000Yeah, this infatuation with the true crime.
00:42:00.000And like you said, Jack, this, hey, I know something you don't know and I want to be creative and I want to uncover the truth.
00:42:07.000It's kind of pulling from the major conversation that.
00:42:10.000Not only are we not having it, but like the mainstream is not having it, which is like maybe these SSRIs and these drugs and all these things are not the way to cure some of these mental illnesses or these people that are having, you know, mild depression.
00:42:25.000And we just throw them on all these medications.
00:42:28.000I mean, not to tie everything back to the 2024 election, but one of the greatest things about Maha was this idea of maybe the medical institutions aren't correct, right?
00:42:37.000Maybe the mainstream people that we've listened to for the last decades.
00:42:41.000Are getting this wrong, and we shouldn't be over medicating every single person that walks into a doctor's office and says, Hey, I feel sad.
00:42:49.000Well, great, let's try to concoct the perfect medication lineup so that you don't feel sad anymore.
00:42:54.000And really, what we do is, you know, we numb people out and we put everybody into this category that they need medication.
00:43:00.000And so, I don't know how we get the conversation back there, but for me, there are so many people, even growing up, I feel like, you know, in the late 90s and the early 2000s, even the Ritalin boom and this idea that like kids that had too much energy, especially young boys.
00:43:15.000Had to be medicated out of that, and we had to figure out a way to calm people down.
00:43:20.000I just wish that that was more of the conversation.
00:43:29.000On Rumble, someone, AFOL1019 says, The fact that not a single person giving commentary here does not have a uterus nor can or will ever experience childbirth should exclude your opinion.
00:43:45.000Grow and birth a child and then talk to me.
00:43:51.000Uh, the majority of us are fathers actually, and we have children, so actually, no, we do have kids, and this is about maintaining your household, this is about understanding how relationships work, understanding how our world works.
00:44:07.000And you know, we're talking about common sense, this is literally common sense stuff.
00:44:12.000And yeah, by the way, uh, I'll even go to that level and say that I do think that the father, um, I don't know if he has criminal, you know, liability, I don't know if I'd go so far as to say that, but just on a pure You know, just, I don't know, just real talk that, you know, if you know that your wife is on all those drugs and you know that she's going down this rabbit hole,
00:44:41.000then you do actually have a duty to your children to get them away from her.
00:44:46.000And whether that's for a period of time and say, like, hey, I'm going to, you know, we're going to go visit the grandparents or something, whatever it is, right?
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00:46:25.000I like this comment we got from generic Mexican mama who says, I have a uterus, I've had two natural births, and you young ladies are nuts.
00:47:10.000I think America, even relative to other first world countries, has a sort of attitude that anything should be curable through the medical system.
00:47:18.000And so they want a pill for anything, even a problem where it's really just you should toughen up, you should change your behavior.
00:47:26.000I think we talk a lot like we over, we use overly therapeutic language for things, like get therapy is an insanely common piece of advice for people on everything.
00:47:37.000And I just think a lot of problems would be, whether you could actually describe them in pharmacological terms or not, it might be more useful for the person if the common response was you just need to behave better, you need to.
00:47:53.000Like it's actually just morally wrong what you're doing, as opposed to, oh, you actually have this disorder that we've classified in the DSM in these eight different ways.
00:48:05.000And I feel like America, for example, whenever we have that, you know, a mass shooting and we'll say America needs to be talking more about mental health.
00:48:14.000Well, we didn't have mass shootings 50 years ago and we were never talking about mental health then in comparison.
00:48:21.000Something about this all just seems off to me.
00:48:37.000But my question was because this is really the entire focus on self, the craziness has really vaulted, I think, since the advent of social media, since women have stopped watching, because for about almost.
00:48:56.000I don't know, 60, 70 years, women were really into soap operas.
00:49:40.000Yeah, I'm sure there was some kind of bridge there that I'm missing that got to the true crime piece.
00:49:45.000But I Googled what did women do before soap operas, and it says heavy domestic labor, local social visits, and reading magazines and newspapers.
00:49:59.000Which sounds like a really much more simple thing.
00:50:01.000This does get to something bigger, which is there's, I guess, two constants.
00:50:05.000One, women getting distracted by things like that.
00:50:08.000So, I mean, before you had soap operas, you had moral panics that women were reading too many novels that were firing their imagination, like old 1800s novels.
00:50:16.000And then you've also had different iterations of women, like concerns with women's specific mental illness, we should say.
00:50:28.000So, in the 50s, during the soap opera era, The, you know, they had like women were on a lot of, um, oh, what were they taking?
00:50:36.000Like, benzos, for example, was like a drug they would take more at that time.
00:50:39.000And, uh, like they would take tranquilizers.
00:50:43.000And then if they were going really loopy, you know, husband would have them hauled off to the asylum.
00:50:48.000And a lot of cases that might just be wanted to replace the wife with a new wife.
00:50:53.000Classic, classic point in like old 50s movies and stuff.
00:50:56.000And then before that, you had like the hysteria panic.
00:51:37.000So to put it another way, for example, is a lot of postpartum depression caused by the fact that people talk about postpartum depression a lot?
00:52:48.000I mean, sometimes you just got to toughen it up and deal with it.
00:52:51.000You don't have to sit across from a therapist.
00:52:53.000You don't have to just manifest in it.
00:52:56.000You got to figure out solutions, and times have to be tough to create those solutions.
00:53:00.000Well, and that goes back to my point I originally kind of brought up, which is, you know, men and for sure men are having way more psychotic breaks today than they were, you know, 20, 30, 50 years ago, right?
00:53:13.000So this is not just, it's some of this is an application problem of, you know, modern conveniences.
00:53:23.000And that, like, to that point is, and I totally agree with you, Cliff, is that.
00:53:28.000You usually can get over and work through most problems in life by actually committing yourself to work and doing the right things and keeping yourself busy enough where these things don't become a mental anguish in your head.
00:53:45.000And that's the point with women, women had a lot more of that, right?
00:53:50.000I mean, some of the question here is are women doing things that they really aren't built to do, which is high performance jobs that they're thrown into that they'd You know, have like we've seen all the TikToks and things like that that they are clearly communicating that they don't really want and they wish they didn't have, like those TikToks that show of like women like arguing for, you know, full time work weeks and things like that.
00:54:17.000But, you know, even at home, when they were at home, women pre the 40s or 30s when soap operas began and they were named soap operas because they advertised soap because of the listeners to the soap operas because they were cleaning up.
00:54:32.000And sometimes they were straight up like the Show was brought to you by they were all sponsored by soap, that's why they're called soap offers.
00:54:38.000And so, because they were washing floors by hand and they were scrubbing baseboards every day and they were boiling hot water so they could wash their clothes because they didn't have modern conveniences of modern washing machines and they were cooking meals from scratch because there was no preparation convenience that existed.
00:54:56.000And so, there's all these things that it's like the same issue, though, right?
00:55:01.000Whether you're a man or you're a woman and you have you know.
00:55:04.000Mental ineptitude, you have mental breaks, you have crazy things that are kind of coming at you because people aren't working as hard as they once were.
00:55:15.000People and again, actually, that's some beauty of modern convenience.
00:55:19.000People aren't working as hard and they're like with their hands on the TV and they're on their phones all the time, which means like I do think social media psychosis is absolutely central to this as a hundred percent.
00:55:30.000And I completely ban TikTok, ban well, not ban TikTok, ban Instagram.
00:55:34.000I mean, I think I mean, social media and modern technology exist because of our ability to like some of this goes back to like some of those things wouldn't have got developed if we were forced to spend all our time.
00:55:46.000Our days and hours in the field, right?
00:55:48.000Like, how much time would you actually have for a cell phone and content on a cell phone if you were trapped in a field every single day, or again, on your hands and knees, scrubbing with water that you have to boil yourself over a flame?
00:56:04.000Like, right, like you wouldn't have as much time.
00:56:06.000The reality of most of our problems is they're self created, they're self induced because you have so much time to be able to do those things.
00:56:16.000First of all, that's an absolutely Brilliant point.
00:56:20.000I was going to make a different response when you said they were not working as much, but when you pointed out that you're talking about like manual labor, that's 100% true because many of the things that you're describing there are also linked with increases in testosterone.
00:56:37.000And so when Rod Nationalist was here and he was talking about his book, that's exactly what he was saying that, you know, we used to do these things so much more as a society.
00:56:48.000And testosterone is a regulator, it's also a strengthener, but it's a regulator.
00:56:52.000So, it's regulating that behavior so much more, particularly in men, but not just men, in women as well.
00:56:58.000Obviously, we don't want to go full WMBA with the testosterone here.
00:57:03.000But one of the things that I was going to point out is, and I had a long conversation with Mike Cernovich about this the other day, because talking about this case, but then also talking about how you see a lot more of these, what men do, unfortunately, which is even worse, is family destructions.
00:57:23.000Do family destruction rather than just straight up child killing, where it's particularly associated with losing their jobs.
00:57:30.000And you see a lot of high net worth men will lose their job or they get caught having an affair.
00:57:38.000And you see a headline like this a couple times a week lately, where suddenly they, because all of their status is wrapped up in their job.
00:57:45.000And that's kind of what I was saying a couple weeks ago when I was saying that we shouldn't center our entire lives around capital and the accumulation of material wealth and status.
00:57:56.000In that, then they will go and like kill their children, kill themselves, kill their wife.
00:58:02.000And I think that that's a big part of it.
00:58:04.000I think that that's it's people putting their, you know, wrapping their entire lives around that material item.
00:58:12.000I'm not saying that's what the Lindsey Clancy case, I'm saying this is what you see when men commit these family destructions because they think, oh, my life is over.
00:58:21.000And all of these people, you know, the wife, the children, they all exist because of me.
00:58:27.000And if my life is over, then their lives have to be over.
00:58:31.000And that's what creates this mental snap.
00:58:32.000Because I'm like, you know, I would just, you know, I would be totally fine losing every single thing.
00:58:40.000They could zero out my bank accounts, they could zero out my social media.
00:58:43.000As long as I have my wife and kids, I'll be fine.
00:58:58.000And I think that's where everybody is, is where it's like the lack of, of, uh, Priorities within society.
00:59:07.000And again, you can blame social media for a lot of this, where it's like constantly the confusion of what's most important, you know, what's going to give you solace, what's going to, you know, kind of bring you home, what's most important, right?
00:59:20.000Like, whatever, whatever's get each individual's getting bombarded with right now, whether you're a man or you're a woman, but, you know, in particular, women are getting bombarded, I think, way more.
00:59:31.000And I say this feeling bad for women because I think women are far more bombarded by this stuff, you know, even in just conversations.
00:59:40.000You know, I'll have, you know, with women in my life and with like friends of, you know, and spouses of people, it's like there's like a total lack of priorities sometimes with some people where they're not focused on those things that are the most important, which is again, their family, their kids, their relationships, right?
01:00:06.000They're focused on a billion other things, you know, feeling depressed because of, The vacation that wasn't as good as the neighbors, or not having the dress or the home or the flooring or the whatever, right?
01:00:22.000That's being thrown at them on Instagram.
01:00:25.000The TikToks have been just horrible because it's not just the short content that's just silly, goofy stuff, but it's the commentary on, again, that soap opera type stuff, which is commentary on what's happening online and wanting to know what's going on online all the time with all these different things.
01:01:41.000Like, and again, this is part of why I'm like so anti, you know, this whole just like depend on cheap labor to do a bunch of stuff is like, I think in America, we're not teaching young.
01:01:53.000Young people, particularly young men, to do stuff early that they should know how to do, like just basics.
01:02:00.000Like men, and I think men actually yearn for this, by the way.
01:02:04.000I've had conversations with many men who are like, man, if I could just learn how to frame, I would learn how to frame.
01:02:09.000If I could just learn masonry, I would do masonry.
01:02:12.000Which I will note, you can do these things.
01:02:14.000In fact, it's easier than ever to learn basic electrical or like, you know, plumbing.
01:02:21.000Like men actually kind of want to do that stuff.
01:02:25.000And the question is, is like for me, because I'm not a woman, but like, do women want to do those things?
01:02:32.000And kind of the answer I get the vibe from is that, like, actually, I think men are like probably more interested in doing those things, the manual labor stuff that they're supposed to be doing, than women are wanting to do in today's society.
01:02:45.000And that might be kind of controversial, but.
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01:03:42.000Just go to YRefi.com and tell them your friend Andrew sent you.
01:03:49.000We're coming up on a very hard break, a hard out, but I do just want to add before we leave, and Cliff, I know you got to run too, just the other element that there are females out there who have now turned Lindsey Clancy into a feminist icon.
01:04:04.000They're holding her up and they are holding a rally for Lindsey Clancy.
01:04:13.000Next week at the Plymouth County Superior Court, organize us in your city.
01:04:19.000They're trying to turn it where pink, the peaceful support she deserved.
01:05:19.000You know, I think I'd love to learn some things.
01:05:21.000I'd love, you know, to how to work on my car at a much higher level than I'm able to.
01:05:24.000But I feel like society has pushed us into so many of these things that looking down on manual labor because we've been told not to be the person stuck doing it.
01:05:33.000But eventually these jobs are going to need to be filled.
01:06:23.000Lindsay's crime is the crime of the future, which is it's going to be self harm, and the discussions and the deliberation will be over people's capability of being able to commit self harm.
01:06:34.000I just feel like people are going to be so cooked.
01:06:36.000Like, we won't even have, like, people are going to barely be able to get married and have kids sufficient to supply insane crimes for people to obsess over.
01:06:53.000We just AI generate fake crimes for people to fixate on, and they'll just be debating whether this AI person should be convicted, and we just won't tell them that it's all fake.
01:07:03.000We already have fake crimes that people are debating.
01:08:20.000Next week, we'll have some major announcements with Cliff and others where we're going to be launching our get out the vote strategy and inviting people into those states, particularly Arizona.
01:08:32.000We're going to be encouraging people to come to Arizona.
01:08:34.000So you can kind of pre register and look out for this at tpaction.comslash 100.
01:11:07.000And then they knock on the door and they're just like, if you elect Andy Biggs, he will get to the bottom of the Lindsey Clancy case and get justice.
01:12:26.000We're not sure if Tyler is ready to co sign that.
01:12:30.000But one thing we certainly have learned young men, if you are in the dating scene, if you're on the dating pool, really quick way to know whether or not you're talking to a crazy person.
01:12:40.000Ask her her opinion on Lindsay Clancy.
01:12:43.000Ladies and gentlemen, as always, go out there and commit more thought crime.
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