The Charlie Kirk Show - August 14, 2026


Mangione's Guilty Plea + "Thank You For Sharing" + AMA 275


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1 hour and 11 minutes

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Transcript

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00:00:03.000 My name is Charlie Kirk.
00:00:05.000 I run the largest pro American student organization in the country fighting for the future of our republic.
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00:01:17.000 Welcome, everybody.
00:01:18.000 Happy Friday.
00:01:20.000 Welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show.
00:01:21.000 We had a very fun show yesterday.
00:01:24.000 I hope a lot of you got to see it.
00:01:25.000 We had Royce Royce White on the show, and I feel obliged.
00:01:30.000 It pains me to say this, but now that we're out of that segment directly, because it did confuse a few people, yes, that was a satirical segment.
00:01:38.000 Royce White is Trolling the WNBA to show how insane transgender ideology is.
00:01:43.000 And we are cheering him on because it is incoherent.
00:01:47.000 You guys should all watch that.
00:01:48.000 It's one of the funniest segments we've ever done.
00:01:50.000 So I encourage you guys to check that out if you missed it.
00:01:54.000 But we have some exciting stuff to dive right into.
00:01:57.000 We have breaking news this morning Luigi Mangione, the Brian Thompson healthcare CEO assassin, hero of the left, is pleading guilty in federal court today on federal charges.
00:02:11.000 So.
00:02:12.000 Let's get that right away.
00:02:13.000 Clip 13.
00:02:15.000 Luigi Mangione has just pleaded guilty to the stalking course charges against him in federal court.
00:02:22.000 So he says now he is prepared to plead guilty.
00:02:26.000 His defense attorney, Karen Agnifillo, has just stated, Mr. Mangione is prepared to plead guilty to the indictment at this time.
00:02:36.000 The judge then asked Mangione.
00:02:39.000 He confirmed, saying yes.
00:02:41.000 So the judge said, Is that the truth to Mangione?
00:02:45.000 Mangione confirms.
00:02:47.000 Yes.
00:02:48.000 Now, this might be a little confusing.
00:02:50.000 It's been, this case has been unfolding a year and a half at this point.
00:02:54.000 Why did he suddenly about face and plead guilty?
00:02:58.000 Well, Fox makes a good point on this, so we'll just let them say it.
00:03:01.000 Clip 14.
00:03:02.000 Langeon's defense team has done a very good job up to this point.
00:03:04.000 Think about what they have done for him thus far.
00:03:07.000 They got rid of the terrorism charge, they got the death penalty off the table, they got mandatory life sentence off the table in the state case.
00:03:15.000 So they have.
00:03:17.000 Demonstrated significant strategic, I would say, ability and skill.
00:03:22.000 And so I think what they're doing here, they must believe it's their best shot for a number of reasons, many of which have already been discussed.
00:03:31.000 So I was diving into this this morning.
00:03:34.000 What's their reasoning here?
00:03:35.000 And it looks like basically their strategic plan that is likely is he is pleading guilty to a federal, it's not even a federal terrorism charge.
00:03:43.000 They got that thrown out.
00:03:44.000 It's not a federal murder charge.
00:03:45.000 It is a federal stalking charge, two of them, I believe, where the charge is technically.
00:03:50.000 Stalking that results in death.
00:03:52.000 Now, that still leaves life imprisonment on the table, but it's likely that they're going to argue because he's pleading guilty in federal court that double jeopardy applies and they need to throw out his New York State murder case.
00:04:08.000 Normally, that wouldn't work in most states, but New York has a stronger law on this than most states that they're going to cite and say, got to throw this case out.
00:04:16.000 Now, why are they doing that?
00:04:17.000 Because he can still get life at the federal level?
00:04:20.000 I don't know.
00:04:21.000 It might be his lawyers have decided.
00:04:23.000 The judge in this case is more likely to impose a sentence that is below life without parole.
00:04:28.000 They might believe they're more likely to be able to mount some other appeal, some sort of legal strategy in the future.
00:04:34.000 But as she pointed out, they are clever.
00:04:36.000 They know what they are doing, and they're playing the long game.
00:04:40.000 And this matters to all of us.
00:04:41.000 I think we need to realize how important this actually is to the left.
00:04:48.000 Mangione should have gotten the death penalty.
00:04:51.000 He should have gotten the death penalty because what he did is corrosive.
00:04:54.000 To the entire American body politic.
00:04:56.000 He is a person who, for political reasons, chose a specific target who he didn't know.
00:05:02.000 He didn't have any cause of personal grievance against him.
00:05:05.000 He went, targeted that person, assassinated him.
00:05:08.000 And the left has made him a hero for this.
00:05:11.000 They idolize him, they want to turn him into an icon.
00:05:14.000 Clip 20.
00:05:15.000 I'm here because Luigi has a surprise hearing in federal court.
00:05:19.000 We're not really sure what's going on, but there have been rumors of a possible plea deal.
00:05:24.000 And how do you feel about that possible plea deal?
00:05:26.000 I've always said I support Luigi whether or not he did it.
00:05:29.000 So for me, I always knew this could be on the table.
00:05:32.000 So I wouldn't really be fazed by one.
00:05:35.000 I support Luigi whether or not he did it.
00:05:39.000 That's the view of a lot of people on the left.
00:05:42.000 And the only way that you can check this, the first step towards checking this, is you have to be maximally punitive when this sort of behavior happens.
00:05:50.000 The state, the government, our society must send a message that this is totally and completely unacceptable.
00:05:57.000 And to be clear, this is going to be a long term struggle.
00:06:00.000 The left has no compunctions about taking a political assassin, a murderer, and making them a long term cause celeb, something that they fight for for years, decades on end.
00:06:11.000 There are plenty of examples from the 60s and 70s and 80s, heinous murderers that they fought for to get out of prison.
00:06:18.000 John Hinckley tried to murder the president of the United States, and eventually lawyers got him out of prison.
00:06:23.000 He is a free man sending messages to Jodie Foster again.
00:06:27.000 They want to make Mangione, someone like that as well.
00:06:31.000 And so we've got to fight for this.
00:06:32.000 And we should change our laws.
00:06:33.000 This is something we've talked about in the Tyler Robinson case that the state is having to make somewhat challenging arguments for why he deserves the death penalty about endangering others or about the fact that there were children present at the scene when it should just be core fact if you are committing a politically motivated assassination, if you are doing a public assassination, that should just by default carry the death penalty.
00:06:58.000 But, and we'll get into this in the next segment.
00:07:01.000 The Mangione case matters because it speaks to a bigger picture.
00:07:04.000 It speaks to the message that Charlie was touting in the days and weeks and months leading up to his own death.
00:07:10.000 I'm going to play this clip.
00:07:11.000 You've seen it many times by now, but it so importantly speaks to what Charlie's big message was that America faces a choice MAGA versus Mangioniism.
00:07:22.000 Let's play it again.
00:07:23.000 Clip 21.
00:07:24.000 Look, you have two options.
00:07:25.000 You can go MAGA or Mangioniism.
00:07:27.000 You can go MAGA or you can go Momdaniism.
00:07:29.000 You can go MAGA or you can go Mohammedism.
00:07:31.000 It's very funny.
00:07:32.000 How all the M's, MAGA is the only option on the right.
00:07:36.000 Neoconservatives are not coming back.
00:07:38.000 The corporate oligarchs, we're not going to let him.
00:07:39.000 So MAGA has cemented the worldview of the American right.
00:07:43.000 But the left, we don't know.
00:07:45.000 It could go Maggioni, which is the most extreme.
00:07:48.000 You could go Mamdani, which is very, very extreme.
00:07:51.000 Or you go Mohammedism, which is just Muslim Islamic takeover.
00:07:57.000 You get reform or you get revolution.
00:07:59.000 We at MAGA wanna reform stuff.
00:08:01.000 Political undercurrent underneath Maggioni that cannot be ignored, that should not be dismissed.
00:08:09.000 And that political reality is that is on the American left.
00:08:13.000 Reform or revolution?
00:08:16.000 It might look funny that there's this early 20s white chick outside the courthouse saying, I love Maggioni, even if he did it, especially if he did it.
00:08:25.000 But that is not something you should laugh at.
00:08:27.000 That is not something that should make you chuckle.
00:08:29.000 That is something that should make the blood in your body feel a chill.
00:08:33.000 It is terrifying that young people would love someone who heinously murdered a father that he didn't even know.
00:08:40.000 And we have to think about what allows people to even have that thought enter their brain and what can we do about it.
00:08:46.000 What is Mangioniism?
00:08:48.000 It's this violent, radical rejection of, you might say, the American experiment that says the problem with this country is capitalism, the problem is.
00:08:58.000 Rich people and billionaires.
00:09:00.000 And what's the solution?
00:09:02.000 Targeted assassinations.
00:09:03.000 Burn it all down.
00:09:04.000 Blow it all up.
00:09:06.000 No solution is too radical.
00:09:08.000 And that appeals to the radicals of young America.
00:09:14.000 Earlier this week, we were talking about one of Charlie's last events that he did.
00:09:18.000 He spoke at the Win the Storm, I believe, was the name of it, 2025.
00:09:23.000 It was an event in Dallas.
00:09:25.000 Despite the name, it was actually about a roofers' convention.
00:09:29.000 And it was an interesting event because Charlie was taking question after question from these business owners and entrepreneurs who were basically saying, Charlie, we love you on Christianity, we love you on faith, we love you on the college scam, we love you on basically every issue, but could we please just get amnesty?
00:09:47.000 And it was actually quite frustrating.
00:09:49.000 And I just want to remind you what it was like.
00:09:51.000 Let's do clip nine.
00:09:53.000 So, why don't you educate me on what mass deportations would do to your industry?
00:10:00.000 There'd be no one to work on the to build back.
00:10:03.000 We've already seen it explode.
00:10:05.000 So then allow me to provocatively then have me tell you how I hear it.
00:10:09.000 Are you telling me everyone in this room is hiring illegal labor?
00:10:13.000 Not everyone, but I know I have it in the past.
00:10:19.000 Okay, so everyone is saying yes.
00:10:21.000 So, and again, you guys can boo me off stage, and I want to respectfully have it.
00:10:25.000 And if I'm wrong, come to the mic.
00:10:27.000 So is everyone here in this room committing a felony?
00:10:31.000 Yes.
00:10:32.000 Okay, good to know.
00:10:34.000 And there's another clip that's even more jarring, a very brief one, clip eight.
00:10:38.000 I'm white.
00:10:39.000 I don't want white people doing the roofs because we're, you know, I got people complaining it's hot outside.
00:10:45.000 Charlie was very aghast about it.
00:10:46.000 The other day, we talked about this shows the difficulty that's facing us are we ready to pay any short term cost at all to save this country?
00:10:54.000 And we need to be able to say yes to that or we will lose this country.
00:10:58.000 But this actually links to the Mangione question as well.
00:11:01.000 And there's additional clips I want to get to from this event because think about what it means when these business owners say, Only illegal immigrants are able to do this entire sector of the economy.
00:11:13.000 What they're saying is that economy has basically become closed off to ordinary Americans.
00:11:18.000 And they can say, oh, they don't want to do those jobs.
00:11:21.000 But there's two sides of that.
00:11:23.000 What's one reason they don't want to do them?
00:11:25.000 Because that job has become associated with the lowest wage workers, it's become associated with illegal immigrants.
00:11:31.000 They don't know anyone who works in those fields because those fields have been totally taken over by an immigrant subculture.
00:11:38.000 And that happens.
00:11:39.000 In more elite fields, too.
00:11:41.000 Why don't Americans get as many STEM degrees as they used to?
00:11:44.000 One factor might be that half or more of their department is people from China, people from India, people from foreign countries who have set up their own networks of people who share their language, share their background.
00:11:56.000 And the long term effect of this is all the paths to having a good middle class American life.
00:12:01.000 It's becoming narrower, more circumscribed.
00:12:04.000 There's more fighting over it.
00:12:05.000 Stuff like DEI is playing a bigger role if you're going to college.
00:12:08.000 And it's making people feel, whether they're on the right or on the left, that there's fewer opportunities for them and that there's not as much of a direct reward between hard work.
00:12:18.000 And success.
00:12:19.000 And to be clear, there still is a connection between hard work and success, but we can make it more obvious and we can make it better.
00:12:25.000 So there's a great remark that Charlie made at this same event, and I want to play it.
00:12:28.000 Let's do clip 11.
00:12:30.000 You know, back in the 60s and 70s, we were a nation where it was an expectation when you hit the age of 14, 15, or 16, you would go get some sort of a summer job.
00:12:39.000 You'd work at a diner, you'd be working in a kitchen and cleaning dishes.
00:12:43.000 And as a parent of two young kids, I think to myself, I hope I'm a good enough parent by the time that they get to be a teenager.
00:12:50.000 That I'm gonna say, no, go work on some job that is maybe below our income level.
00:12:54.000 And that's a big problem, right?
00:12:55.000 Because once we reach the upper middle class, we have this idea that our kids should not have to do the jobs that we once did.
00:13:02.000 But the idea of a summer job, I think it made kids understand the value of hard work, of discipline, of sacrifice, waking up early, and it's especially humbling if you come from an upper middle class family to have to go caddy for a summer.
00:13:17.000 He was a very wise man.
00:13:18.000 Let's get another one.
00:13:19.000 We just love to hear him talk.
00:13:20.000 Let's do this is a short one, clip three.
00:13:23.000 How do we treat an 18 year old right now at a local high school that says, I don't want to go to high school, I don't want to go to college, I just want to start a business or something?
00:13:32.000 Well, the traditional path is, well, you know, go get your four year degree, Justin.
00:13:36.000 Instead, we should be celebrating that 18 year old to want to go take that risk and want to go create value, to want to go out into the marketplace and do something unique and interesting and creative.
00:13:47.000 This is the challenge before us, and this links back to the Mangioniism phenomenon.
00:13:53.000 That in America, we must make it as clear as possible that there is a direct link between how hard you work and how willing you are to work and the success that you can experience later in life.
00:14:05.000 And there are various ways we can do that.
00:14:07.000 We can make it so more jobs don't require a degree at all, that you could maybe take a test to get it.
00:14:13.000 We should encourage employers to do this.
00:14:14.000 We should encourage employers to just say, if you can show this set of skills, we will hire you.
00:14:20.000 We should encourage more employers to be willing to train new employees.
00:14:25.000 There are various ways we can incentivize this.
00:14:27.000 This is a big thing that drives the H 1B phenomenon that you can bring in a foreign worker who's tied to your company, they're not able to leave, and they're probably already got all the entry level training abroad.
00:14:37.000 So they just don't want to train new entry level workers.
00:14:40.000 We can make it so there's more advantages, more opportunities to start a business fresh out of school, and it's not stigmatized and not penalized.
00:14:49.000 The long term effect of doing things like this is Americans from all backgrounds, all socioeconomic levels, will have that feeling.
00:14:58.000 If I work, It will be rewarded.
00:15:01.000 And it is that phenomenon, the sense of it doesn't matter what I do, it doesn't matter if I do certain things, that I think creates a lot of radicalism.
00:15:09.000 Even stuff people support.
00:15:11.000 You have people who are victims of DEI, won't blame DEI for their problems.
00:15:14.000 They'll decide, I need to shoot a CEO instead.
00:15:17.000 But if we get rid of that DEI, I still think they're less likely to go down that insane route.
00:15:21.000 So that's the challenge Charlie is laying out before us.
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00:16:44.000 All right, I'm very excited for this one.
00:16:47.000 So, there is a.
00:16:48.000 We love having Lomez, Jonathan Kieperman on this show with Passage Press, Passage Publishing, and they have their first, I believe, documentary release that they have endorsed, and it's called Thank You for Sharing.
00:17:01.000 We've got the intro of this movie.
00:17:03.000 Let's play clip 15.
00:17:05.000 It is widely agreed that there is a mental health crisis of sorts.
00:17:09.000 There is also, it seems, widespread agreement on what the solutions to this crisis are.
00:17:14.000 That mental health initiatives should receive more funding, that the mentally ill should receive more better diagnoses and treatment, that the public should be made more aware of mental illness as a concept, and also that there should be a general and all consuming push for everyone to participate in mental health culture and share their stories about mental illness.
00:17:35.000 What few seem to be asking is in what way are any of these solutions in short supply?
00:17:43.000 So we're joined now by the director.
00:17:45.000 Of that movie, Sonia Zawickowski.
00:17:47.000 I hope I got that right.
00:17:48.000 She is a Canadian film director.
00:17:51.000 Sonia, thank you for joining us.
00:17:53.000 And why don't you just lay out for our viewers what's the thrust of this documentary that they can actually watch for free right now if they want?
00:18:01.000 The main question that I was trying to answer was why is it that despite all this attention and all these resources going to a problem like mental health, why is it that the problem just keeps getting worse?
00:18:15.000 And so, In order to question the assumptions that people have about mental health today, I thought it would be effective to go back through history and look at a time before this narrative existed and how it came into being and all the interesting and surprising things that pushed it along,
00:18:39.000 like asylums at the beginning, of course, but World War II was a huge catalyst as well.
00:18:49.000 One of the surprising things that you'll find is that this narrative has been persisting for a really long time, actually.
00:18:56.000 People have been trying to tackle destigmatization for since really like the 1800s, maybe even before.
00:19:04.000 So I thought that that was really interesting and I thought that should be brought to people's attention.
00:19:10.000 Yeah, I think all of us have lived through this experience of often anytime something happens, it happens after mass shootings, it happens after atrocities like this unfortunate Lindsey Clancy case.
00:19:21.000 Or this mother murdered her children, that's getting a lot of attention.
00:19:25.000 And we just will hear that we'll say, we have a mental health crisis in this country and it's not talked about enough.
00:19:30.000 We need to have more conversations about it.
00:19:33.000 And yet, it seems we're having this discussion all the time, and we've been having it for ages, and the numbers only go up.
00:19:39.000 I love this bit from the documentary that's actually near the end of it.
00:19:42.000 Let's play clip 19.
00:19:45.000 The 10th man is the one man in 10 in your community who will need emotional guidance.
00:19:50.000 Are you unhappy?
00:19:51.000 Depressed?
00:19:52.000 One out of five American adults is mentally ill.
00:19:55.000 One in four of us at some point in our lives will have a mental health condition.
00:20:00.000 This is a paradigm shift.
00:20:02.000 Welcome to the expert panel on climate change and mental health.
00:20:06.000 He was diagnosed with a canine compulsive disorder.
00:20:09.000 One in three Americans.
00:20:10.000 One in three Canadians are experiencing increased levels of exhaustion, frustration, and anxiety as part of their daily lives.
00:20:18.000 So we go from one in 10 back in it looks like a 50s documentary, and then it's one in five, one in four, one in three, and I think it was actually cut off at the end there.
00:20:27.000 It's that 50% of people supposedly have a mental health situation, condition of some sort.
00:20:33.000 Now, do you believe that this was always the case and we uncovered it, or are we.
00:20:40.000 Creating our own mental health crisis, as it were.
00:20:44.000 That's what I was kind of trying to look into and get different perspectives on from historians of psychiatry and also just people with, I guess you could call, lived experience.
00:20:53.000 I think it's clear that people have always suffered.
00:20:56.000 I mean, every major religion, every ancient philosophy addresses and discusses suffering.
00:21:05.000 And it's interesting how suffering, which can be very meaningful and is an inevitability, really has.
00:21:14.000 Turned into this mental health issue.
00:21:20.000 So, the way we think about our problems, of course, changes the way we approach them.
00:21:27.000 So, framing it as a mental health issue allows experts and professionals to take the issue on and it persuades people to put issues of their lives and their psyches and their emotions and whatever else, it persuades them to kind of Outsource those to these professionals.
00:21:50.000 Exactly.
00:21:51.000 There's a very interesting part.
00:21:52.000 And I should also mention, by the way.
00:21:53.000 So, right now, you guys can go to Passage Press on X for this, the next, I think, four days.
00:22:00.000 It's one week.
00:22:01.000 This is freely available on X.
00:22:02.000 It's an hour and 20 minutes.
00:22:04.000 You can watch that in less time than it takes to watch the show.
00:22:07.000 So, I encourage all of you to check it out.
00:22:09.000 But it was near the end and it was speaking to a man who you identify as formerly mentally unwell.
00:22:14.000 I don't know his full history, but he actually talks about this fact where.
00:22:18.000 He actually started to explore, for example, his faith more, and that gives it just a different dimension to things.
00:22:25.000 Like, if you're struggling to get up in the morning to go to work, a mental health version might be you have, you know, this psychologically induced fatigue, you have anxiety, you have depression.
00:22:38.000 And whereas a traditional Christian point of view might be, well, you know, sloth is a sin, and all of us are tempted by sin.
00:22:46.000 Do you think there's something where maybe even if it would be justified to have a mental health framing of this, it's In a way, just better if you avoid that because it's more productive to have a different lens for viewing problems.
00:22:59.000 Yeah, I think a big problem with the mental health system is that it just is so totalizing and it turns all these different things that are happening in people's lives into one thing, which is, you know, a mental illness.
00:23:14.000 And that actually makes it very difficult for people to find out how they can live their lives in a meaningful way, especially because the mental health discourse, I found it to be really.
00:23:26.000 You know, cliche and alienating, and just kind of hokey.
00:23:30.000 And I can never understand how this appealed to anyone at all.
00:23:33.000 And that's part of my motivation for making this documentary.
00:23:37.000 But yeah, I interview lots of people who have a different take on the mental health issue.
00:23:44.000 And then, of course, I ask them, well, how did you kind of get better or recover or whatever word you want to use?
00:23:51.000 And there's lots of different things there's literature, there's religion, there's art, there's like companionship, real companionship, not going to a therapist who you're paying.
00:24:02.000 And Yeah, that's just aberrant to the system because the system needs things to be regulated and predictable.
00:24:10.000 And human beings aren't that, and suffering isn't that.
00:24:13.000 And so I think there needs to be more space and understanding for that in people's lives.
00:24:18.000 And of course, religion was a huge source of that for a long time, and now that's disappeared.
00:24:22.000 And so I think people just need to get back in touch with that, maybe in a way.
00:24:27.000 Yeah, I thought that was so interesting.
00:24:29.000 One of the interviews basically says, How about if you want to help with your mental health?
00:24:34.000 Try reading Shakespeare more.
00:24:35.000 Try reading, I think, I can't remember if he says the Bible as well, but it's pointing out a lot of our earliest psychologists and psychiatrists really are just the author of Ecclesiastes, the author of Proverbs, the author of Romeo and Juliet, that we are able to get this.
00:24:50.000 I want to say, by the way, if anyone has thoughts on this, please send in emails.
00:24:53.000 Maybe we can read a question or two for Ms. Zawakowski here.
00:24:57.000 But can you elaborate more on that, on that hoakiness?
00:25:01.000 Like someone points out that basically any, almost any book written before the rise of this, any airport literature written before maybe 19th century, 1990 or so, before we had the biggest explosion of this mental health industry.
00:25:13.000 It just sounds wiser, it sounds deeper.
00:25:15.000 What is that hoax?
00:25:17.000 What's making modern discourse so hokey and lame in comparison to what came before?
00:25:23.000 Yeah, I mean, that was another surprising thing looking back through the history is just how, you know, we assume that we're smarter and more technologically advanced.
00:25:31.000 And you go back and ordinary people seem to possess just a lot more like linguistic.
00:25:39.000 Capabilities and intelligence and wisdom, like you said.
00:25:43.000 And that's all gone away.
00:25:44.000 And I think a lot of that is just the mass production of ideology.
00:25:48.000 And in order to mass produce something, you need to appeal to the lowest common denominator.
00:25:53.000 You need to make it simple.
00:25:54.000 You need to strip away complexity.
00:25:56.000 So it just becomes very banal and just as straightforward as possible.
00:26:03.000 So that's basically the reason I think it's like that's why the film begins in the 18th century when markets start.
00:26:13.000 Becoming busier and more and more things start entering the market.
00:26:16.000 One of those things being mental health services.
00:26:19.000 And eventually, we're today, you know, now ideologies are marketed.
00:26:23.000 So they do have to be as simplistic as possible.
00:26:26.000 And that's why today political discourse is so just aggravating.
00:26:32.000 Oh, man.
00:26:33.000 Do you think this is an America, Canada specific problem, or do you think it really is globalized at this point?
00:26:38.000 It's getting globalized.
00:26:39.000 It started in the West and it's being exported.
00:26:41.000 And there's lots of evidence for that.
00:26:42.000 Yeah.
00:26:43.000 And there was evidence that actually developing nations were handling mental health issues better than we were, but that's all going away too.
00:26:51.000 Sonia, there's a very funny clip here from your documentary, just kind of highlighting the way we generate new disorders all of the time.
00:26:59.000 Clip 16.
00:27:01.000 This morning, the World Health Organization raising a red flag for the first time adding gaming disorder to their list of addictive activities.
00:27:10.000 Can grief be diagnosed?
00:27:12.000 Well, one of America's most prestigious psychiatric bodies says yes, and it has.
00:27:18.000 They're calling it prolonged grief.
00:27:21.000 Apparently, there's like a diagnosis they give you.
00:27:24.000 Oh.
00:27:24.000 It's called highly sensitive person.
00:27:26.000 I've always been called hypersensitive, and I was like, you're just trying to keep me down.
00:27:29.000 But it was someone we had on my podcast who was like, oh, it's called an HSP.
00:27:32.000 I was like, now I have a diagnosis.
00:27:34.000 So that's just a few examples.
00:27:36.000 And I think there are others that are generated over time.
00:27:38.000 Did you find any other particularly bizarre examples of them creating a new mental health diagnosis?
00:27:45.000 And is it basically the case that we should just shut this down?
00:27:49.000 Should we say it is destructive to keep inventing new disorders that maybe we hadn't articulated before 1950?
00:27:57.000 Yeah, I mean, there's all sorts of things, right?
00:27:59.000 Gender stuff.
00:28:00.000 There's like, there was a Tourette's craze that didn't last very long.
00:28:04.000 And interestingly, that one people were more open about being skeptical of, I guess, because there's less ideology surrounding that one.
00:28:12.000 But things pop up all the time and they always have.
00:28:14.000 You go back through history again, and people used to get odd disorders like men would walk into fields for days.
00:28:22.000 And that was a memetic disorder and hysteria.
00:28:26.000 There's so many examples, but before mass media, these things would be shut down pretty quickly and they would fizzle out.
00:28:33.000 On their own, pretty quickly.
00:28:34.000 Let's elaborate on that point because I think people will find it interesting.
00:28:37.000 Can you describe the hysteria craze of the late 1800s, early 1900s?
00:28:44.000 Who did it affect?
00:28:44.000 What did it do?
00:28:45.000 And what happened to it?
00:28:46.000 Well, it affected primarily women, which is interesting because a lot of times today you sometimes see a lot of these memetic diagnoses traveling through women.
00:28:58.000 And they were just presenting with all sorts of strange disorders or strange symptoms and they would writhe around and You know, in school, I learned that this was like a patriarchal designation, that women weren't being taken seriously.
00:29:13.000 And maybe that's part of the story, but another interesting and important part of the story is that this disorder had a lot of glamour to it.
00:29:23.000 People were really interested in women who had hysteria.
00:29:26.000 It got them a lot of attention if they had hysteria.
00:29:30.000 Clinicians would really kind of, it seems now in hindsight, encourage these symptoms in women, even on stages.
00:29:36.000 They would make like an entire performance about it.
00:29:40.000 So, you can see the beginnings of a lot of the problems we have now happening then.
00:29:45.000 And it's funny because it just kind of like was over one day.
00:29:49.000 Everyone got tired and bored of it.
00:29:50.000 They're like, this isn't interesting anymore.
00:29:52.000 They moved on.
00:29:52.000 Well, it's also incredible.
00:29:54.000 I love the bit.
00:29:55.000 It highlights that part of one of the manifestations of hysteria was it was like hysterical paralysis.
00:29:59.000 They would be unable to move.
00:30:01.000 And then a doctor came up with a test.
00:30:03.000 Basically, I think it was like you hit the heel of someone's foot.
00:30:06.000 And it's basically like that tests whether you have real paralysis or not because it goes right to your brain stem.
00:30:12.000 And.
00:30:13.000 Once you had a real test for whether paralysis was all in your head or not, suddenly this basically went away.
00:30:18.000 So, do you basically think it's the case that the people who were getting hysteria in the late 1800s are probably maybe the same women who were getting anorexia in the 90s?
00:30:28.000 And then if they were around today, they might be saying, I'm transgender?
00:30:32.000 Yeah, pretty much.
00:30:33.000 And, you know, I'm not even.
00:30:35.000 Some people watch the movie and they think I'm trying to say like mental illness is fake.
00:30:38.000 And I actually don't.
00:30:39.000 Or that the mental health crisis, I don't know, isn't real or doesn't matter.
00:30:43.000 I'm actually not trying to say that at all.
00:30:45.000 I think suffering is very real.
00:30:47.000 At the beginning, I have an interviewee saying the mental health crisis is kind of real.
00:30:50.000 Things are getting really weird.
00:30:51.000 People are really unstable and they don't know how to live in modern society.
00:30:55.000 But just calling it a mental health crisis is what is the problem.
00:31:00.000 Offsourcing all of this to experts and professionals is part of the problem because it really reifies these ideas and it just imports onto them this gravitas that makes it really hard for people to extricate themselves from it.
00:31:15.000 And again, it then precludes other ways of living that can help you manage your life and your suffering, and precludes other ways of thinking about your suffering.
00:31:24.000 It can be beneficial for people to use religion instead or all these other things.
00:31:30.000 So I think that that's the big problem.
00:31:33.000 Exactly.
00:31:33.000 I think that's the key point.
00:31:35.000 As you say, the suffering in many cases is real.
00:31:37.000 These people are not faking it, they do not lack these feelings internally and just do them for attention.
00:31:43.000 But it's more like what mental illnesses we see in society are very socially mediated.
00:31:49.000 It's almost like there's an error problem that a person is in distress or upset or anxious somehow.
00:31:56.000 And it's like their brain is generating this is what a person like you does.
00:32:02.000 Am I understanding that correctly?
00:32:03.000 Yeah, exactly.
00:32:04.000 The professor of psychiatry, Edward Shorter, calls these symptom pools.
00:32:07.000 There are symptoms out there that you can kind of grab onto that will legitimate your suffering.
00:32:13.000 People will see your suffering as legitimate if you express your suffering in these symptoms.
00:32:18.000 So, you know, are people faking it?
00:32:20.000 Like, you know, you see people online and they're having a breakdown over like being misgendered or something.
00:32:25.000 And it's like, I mean, I don't think their problem is transgenderism, but they do see.
00:32:31.000 Clearly, they have a problem.
00:32:32.000 They clearly have some mental stuff going on, and they need, I don't know, they need to, they need a different way of just looking at their problems, maybe.
00:32:41.000 Yeah.
00:32:41.000 I want one more clip just because I think it's actually very entertaining.
00:32:45.000 So, and it illustrates this exact point.
00:32:47.000 Clip 17.
00:32:48.000 In the Middle Ages, one of the most common psychological difficulties was something known as the glass delusion.
00:32:55.000 I think it was like Charles VI in France who was the first sufferer.
00:33:02.000 And he believed at times.
00:33:05.000 That he was made of glass.
00:33:07.000 And so he had to be wrapped in very soft blankets and sit on very soft cushions and handled very, very carefully.
00:33:13.000 People would gather this idea that they were made of glass.
00:33:16.000 And in that presentation, they could have their suffering taken seriously.
00:33:22.000 Today, if you said to your friend, I'm actually made of glass, you would be laughed at.
00:33:31.000 But if you said to your friend, I'm cutting, or I have bulimia, or any other Kind of current diagnosis that has cultural currency, you would gain a lot of sympathy.
00:33:44.000 It's a very interesting documentary and only 80 minutes long, so you can check it out.
00:33:48.000 Sonia, do you want to explain where's the best place for people to check out that documentary or any other work you've done?
00:33:53.000 Right now, it's available for free on Twitter, and I believe it's going to be available after that on Amazon and a few other places.
00:34:01.000 I'm sure Passage will tweet about it.
00:34:03.000 Oh, very much so.
00:34:05.000 And I'm sure we'll profile it, and we look forward to what work you do in the future.
00:34:10.000 Thank you very much for coming on, Sonia.
00:34:12.000 Thank you for the work you did with this documentary.
00:34:15.000 We did get an email from Steve who says, Sonia Z, fabulous.
00:34:19.000 Repeat, repeat, and repeat.
00:34:21.000 So thank you for coming on the show with us today.
00:34:24.000 Thank you so much for having me.
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00:36:12.000 We're here with Tyler Bowyer, head of Turning Point Action, and the man who's the reason we're in Arizona and Arizona Cardinals fan, but the logo's all dark so that he can cover it up and make it hard to see.
00:36:23.000 Hey, the Cardinals won yesterday and they're Preseason game.
00:36:26.000 No one cares about the preseason.
00:36:27.000 You know that's true.
00:36:28.000 Yeah, but we'll take it.
00:36:30.000 As a Cardinals fan, we'll take it anyway.
00:36:31.000 What's your favorite Super Bowl win by the Cardinals?
00:36:35.000 You mean back in 1900 or whatever the last one was?
00:36:38.000 I'm not sure if they've ever won a championship in the last one.
00:36:41.000 Not in the Super Bowl.
00:36:41.000 Not in the Super Bowl era, but they won a championship.
00:36:45.000 They were pretty dire.
00:36:45.000 Honestly, the best Cardinals win ever is probably that time that you guys face masked Aaron Rodgers and then it got returned for a touchdown.
00:36:52.000 That Kurt Warner game that was like 51 to 45 or something.
00:36:54.000 We've had some incredible playoff games, incredible playoff wins, just not.
00:36:58.000 In the Super Bowl.
00:36:59.000 Okay.
00:37:00.000 And we probably should have won that one against the Steelers.
00:37:03.000 But had they not coughed up the football at halftime, then we probably would have won.
00:37:07.000 That was pretty bad.
00:37:08.000 I'm sure they'll win a Super Bowl eventually.
00:37:10.000 Probably not when either of us is alive.
00:37:12.000 No, we have a real Phoenix area sports issue.
00:37:16.000 We have like the.
00:37:17.000 We?
00:37:17.000 I don't.
00:37:19.000 The only team that's won is the Diamondbacks.
00:37:22.000 And it was like seventh inning.
00:37:25.000 That was one of the greatest World Series.
00:37:26.000 It's one of the greatest World Series ever.
00:37:27.000 So you guys have that.
00:37:29.000 I don't know if you're ever going to get a card.
00:37:30.000 Beating the Yankees.
00:37:31.000 Right after September 11th, it was like pretty, but you know, you beat Mariano Rivera in the bottom of the night, it was very dramatic.
00:37:38.000 It was dramatic, but anyway, I'm going to keep bullying you about Phoenix Sports because it's fun.
00:37:43.000 Ah, but we're in our AMA hour, we've got people queued up to ask some questions, and let's dive right into them.
00:37:50.000 I think we have Ian first.
00:37:52.000 Ian, unmute yourself and what's your question?
00:37:54.000 Um, hey guys, how are you doing?
00:37:56.000 Howdy, hey, uh, also just real quick, the Redskins have been to the NFC Championship way more recently than the Packers have, so.
00:38:05.000 Just remember that, Blake.
00:38:06.000 Whatever.
00:38:11.000 Look, the Packers have won Super Bowls.
00:38:13.000 They won a Super Bowl in my lifetime so that I was able to watch.
00:38:16.000 So I'm able to handle the fact that for the past 16 years, they've been a Minnesota Vikings level playoff choke.
00:38:22.000 We're always pulling for the Redskins over the Cowboys.
00:38:25.000 So it's.
00:38:25.000 Yeah, bro.
00:38:26.000 And we're calling them the Redskins.
00:38:28.000 Yeah, I want them to be the Redskins still, man.
00:38:30.000 It's hard being a Redskins fan right now when they change your team name.
00:38:35.000 Exactly, exactly.
00:38:36.000 But what's your next question?
00:38:38.000 But yeah, I just.
00:38:39.000 Wanted to say, I'm so excited about TPUSA communities.
00:38:42.000 I've been working in that for the last couple months, and I know they just launched it this week.
00:38:46.000 I'm gonna be hosting a prayer vigil on September 10th.
00:38:50.000 So, yeah, and uh, it's just uh, I just want to know what you guys think.
00:38:53.000 Like, you guys have been around a lot of these bigger events, and it's this has kind of grown a lot more than I thought it would.
00:39:00.000 I was just planning on like 50 to 100 people now, there's like you know, almost 400 people just you know, RSVPing to it.
00:39:06.000 So, it's uh, um, might be a lot more than that because you know, a lot of people just they just show up.
00:39:12.000 But, yeah, what are the keys to a good event?
00:39:14.000 And also, how can we be praying for you guys at the Charlie Kirk Show and at Turning Point?
00:39:19.000 Oh, man.
00:39:20.000 Tyler, you've done some events, but you organized the first Trump rally ever, I think.
00:39:25.000 What's the secret to a good event?
00:39:28.000 Well, first off, we're so excited about the launch of TPUSA Communities because that's the culmination of bringing together Rise, which formerly was Blexit, and so many other communities that they've launched TPUSA Families, which is focused on families and family involvement outside of.
00:39:46.000 Well, it's really the culmination of just that Charlie started as a guy speaking to young people, students, but his message was so powerful.
00:39:52.000 It spread so much.
00:39:53.000 So we have infinite emails of, hey, I want to get involved, but I'm a 45 year old dad.
00:39:58.000 I'm outside the student or faith zone.
00:40:02.000 So this is kind of the culmination of if you're outside of, again, the students and faith zone, then you have a place between RISE, families, young professionals, and what they've launched as TPSA Heroes, which is focused on military veterans and first responders.
00:40:20.000 And so, uh, It's really exciting and congratulations again for getting involved so intricately here and launching some of the first events because this is where I think this starts to really spread.
00:40:32.000 You have, and it's hard and it's a little bit challenging at the beginning because hosting events is not easy.
00:40:39.000 It's not an easy thing to do, but it starts with really this grassroots operation of knowing 10 people you can count on and building around that.
00:40:51.000 What about for an event itself?
00:40:53.000 Any good guidelines, just day of, make sure it goes well?
00:40:56.000 And Turning Point Action, we're doing a ton of these types of events through our coalitions events as well.
00:41:03.000 Again, it's all preparation, it's talking to people, building your list, managing your list.
00:41:10.000 Every activist that exists within the conservative movement should be developing a list of about 1,000 people that they're remaining in general constant contact with.
00:41:21.000 So, really hardcore activists that are doing the job.
00:41:25.000 Are you trying to build a list and you're not going to have a thousand people that are your followers to begin with?
00:41:30.000 But Jack Posobic talks about this all the time online as well.
00:41:33.000 If you have a thousand people you can kind of count on, all of a sudden it starts to spread, right?
00:41:39.000 You start everything starts to all the activism starts to metastasize a lot.
00:41:43.000 And so it is really important that in your community, what no matter what the vertical is that you're getting involved in the communities, is that you're starting to identify those people and and Rolodex those people basically through tools that.
00:41:59.000 That community should be providing you, but then also just kind of on your own because you've got to stay in contact with them by email, by text message, try to have as much face to face interaction.
00:42:09.000 And this is where it really blends together with what we're doing at Turning Point Action because when elections roll around, if you become the community leader that then is a person that can remind people that an election is coming up, be that go to for any information that's coming up with elections, that parlays really nicely into the C4 element of it.
00:42:28.000 So the C3 is communities, C4 on action is our coalitions.
00:42:33.000 But yeah, that's.
00:42:35.000 Yeah, I'm thinking even just of the basics of the event itself.
00:42:39.000 I'm thinking, for example, good advice just going forward.
00:42:43.000 Charlie was very good at promotion angle.
00:42:46.000 I'm thinking even of little bits of wisdom he knew.
00:42:48.000 It wasn't like go wide, not deep, for example.
00:42:51.000 Food is important at every event, right?
00:42:53.000 Doing a little bit of something, even if it's small.
00:42:57.000 People like food, they congregate around food, things like that.
00:43:02.000 Having speakers that are interesting and promoting those people, right?
00:43:05.000 So every event that we do, we try to have.
00:43:09.000 Some kind of hook, right?
00:43:10.000 Of this is the person, even if it's small and in the community, but also building events around people who are big names that are coming into town.
00:43:17.000 So, if you know, like, again, O'Reilly Gaines is going to be in town, she works with us at Turning Point.
00:43:23.000 Like, rope her into a community event, right?
00:43:27.000 Like, everyone should be, and it's not always going to work out, right?
00:43:29.000 You're not always going to be able to get everybody.
00:43:31.000 But this is what I say is like, this is kind of the parlaying that we did with Charlie a lot was, you know, okay, JD is going to be in town, or, you know, again, one of the Trump family is going to be in town.
00:43:42.000 Offer, you know, make the offer that we can build something, even if it's a local community event.
00:43:48.000 And by the way, some people start to feel like, oh man, I don't know, this is only going to be like a few dozen people or, you know, less than 100 people or whatever that's going to show up to it.
00:43:57.000 And people are like, I'm too embarrassed.
00:43:59.000 I don't want to invite that person.
00:44:00.000 No, like, in fact, some of the most critical times I think in Charlie's career was when we had him go to smaller events and be able to speak directly to small community style groups like this.
00:44:12.000 So, So that's what would be my advice.
00:44:15.000 Don't be ashamed or bashful or anything like that or embarrassed that something smaller, like from small things.
00:44:23.000 It sounds like his first event is really cool.
00:44:24.000 I mean, hundreds of people.
00:44:25.000 I would say be ready to brag about that and tout it.
00:44:28.000 That's the other piece.
00:44:29.000 Get videos, post that online, make it look as awesome as possible.
00:44:32.000 Get photos, videos, post it on X all over so all the media sees it.
00:44:36.000 Exactly.
00:44:37.000 So that's definitely a big piece of advice.
00:44:38.000 Thank you, Ian, for getting involved in that.
00:44:40.000 We're very excited about communities and we look forward to what you and so many others. Will be able to accomplish.
00:44:45.000 I want to do this email question very quick because it might be one that other people have had.
00:44:50.000 Ellie writes Hey, Blake, my mom and I just bought tickets for our very first Amfest and are so excited.
00:44:55.000 God bless you guys.
00:44:56.000 I have a quick question and I thought I'd ask it here.
00:44:59.000 We both have VIP tickets, but I'm the only one with a membership to the Charlie Kirk Show.
00:45:05.000 Since she is family and attending with me as an adult, would she be able to join in the members only area at Amfest?
00:45:10.000 That's where we have a members only room.
00:45:12.000 We have interviews.
00:45:14.000 We've had them with Don Jr.
00:45:16.000 We've had it with a lot of people, like a lot of interesting characters.
00:45:18.000 The Korean pastor's sons were at the last Amfest.
00:45:21.000 That was a great interview.
00:45:22.000 And we have this in a members only room.
00:45:24.000 She asks, Would my mom be able to join even if she doesn't have a membership?
00:45:28.000 I checked with Daisy and she says, Yes, you are able to bring in your family members as long as one of you does have membership and can show proof of it.
00:45:36.000 We would be glad to have you.
00:45:38.000 Though, if she becomes a member, she can call in and ask a question here.
00:45:41.000 So maybe worth considering.
00:45:45.000 That's great.
00:45:45.000 All right.
00:45:46.000 Now, our next full question.
00:45:48.000 I believe we have Elizabeth next.
00:45:51.000 Elizabeth, unmute yourself and what's your question?
00:45:54.000 Oh, yeah.
00:45:54.000 Hi, Blake.
00:45:55.000 Hi, Tyler.
00:45:55.000 How are you today?
00:45:56.000 We're doing great.
00:45:57.000 How are you doing, Elizabeth?
00:45:58.000 So good.
00:45:59.000 I actually wanted to sort of tap Blake's brain because you're so good with history.
00:46:06.000 If you were to choose a communist dictatorship and takeover that was the most brutal and godless and horrible of the 20th century, I know there's a lot to choose from, but which one would you choose and why?
00:46:20.000 Oh man, which of those would you choose?
00:46:22.000 I mean, obviously, the answer is you don't want to choose any of them.
00:46:26.000 It is.
00:46:26.000 Being the most brutal and godless.
00:46:28.000 Most brutal.
00:46:29.000 It's often a common one.
00:46:30.000 Some people will like to say, I think Mao's China was the worst.
00:46:33.000 It has a very large body count.
00:46:35.000 They have the Cultural Revolution and it's a big national psychosis.
00:46:38.000 They starved a lot of people.
00:46:40.000 But I'm a bit old fashioned.
00:46:42.000 I think the original Bolshevik revolution, the communists who took over Russia, really stands out for how.
00:46:51.000 Particularly destructive and evil, it was that maybe it's just the fact that I've read the most about this one.
00:46:58.000 And there's a great book, A People's Tragedy, by Orlando Fijus.
00:47:02.000 Tyler, if you heard anything, Tyler's tried to put it up, but they go there.
00:47:05.000 By Orlando Fijus, and it just describes the contours of the Bolshevik Revolution and how horrifying it was.
00:47:12.000 And it's not just that they took over this country and there was famine and people died, it's that they're blowing up historic churches.
00:47:20.000 They are torturing priests and religious people to death.
00:47:25.000 One of the craziest ones, Jack Pasobuk, when he talks about it, loves this example.
00:47:29.000 There's a breed of dog that I can't remember, but it was a breed of dog that was associated with the aristocracy, and they would just massacre these dogs as a symbolic point.
00:47:39.000 And they do that at the outset, from the very beginning.
00:47:42.000 Some people will spin it like, oh, Stalin is where it went bad.
00:47:45.000 No, it was bad from the beginning.
00:47:46.000 Then you have Stalin.
00:47:47.000 He has the great terror.
00:47:49.000 People could be denounced for the slightest comments.
00:47:51.000 They'd be arrested in the middle of the night and shot, and their identity, what happened to them, would not be known for years.
00:47:56.000 You have hundreds of thousands, millions of people shipped off to labor camps.
00:48:01.000 It sets the gold standard for a tyrannical, authoritarian regime, and its bad legacy lives on to this day for a very good reason.
00:48:10.000 I actually got my degree in this.
00:48:11.000 Yeah.
00:48:12.000 In the Bolshevik Revolution, believe it or not.
00:48:14.000 I speak Russian.
00:48:16.000 And I would say one point that you're bringing up is that Lenin led to Stalin and Mao.
00:48:24.000 So, all of the top intellectual leaders in the Chinese Communist Party all point to Lenin as the inspiration for what that allowed for the Chinese Revolution, the Chinese reawakening, as they put it.
00:48:41.000 And In Russia, you know, you wouldn't have Stalin never existed had it not been for the Bolshevik Revolution.
00:48:51.000 So it points to so a lot of people, especially in today's modern American Communist Party that exists, and they call it the DSA, which is now the Democrat Party, they point to the Bolshevik Revolution as fairly peaceful.
00:49:05.000 And the reality of that is not true.
00:49:08.000 It's not true at all.
00:49:09.000 It's a complete lie.
00:49:10.000 And it's a good point that.
00:49:12.000 Bad ideas lead to death at some point, right?
00:49:16.000 And so hundreds of millions of people have died.
00:49:18.000 But even Russia today has not recovered from what the Bolshevik revolution did.
00:49:22.000 No, hundreds of millions of people have died by extension, either directly at the hands of communists during the communist phases of these countries or as a result of this.
00:49:33.000 It's not even just the death, it's the way it just totally derailed a full civilization.
00:49:38.000 That Russia is the country of Tolstoy, Dostoevsky, it's the country of the Orthodox Church.
00:49:43.000 It was one of the most religious countries in the world.
00:49:45.000 And they decapitated the country.
00:49:47.000 Has the most resources, land resources.
00:49:50.000 And this still shows today that if you poll Russians, one of the things is they have more survival based values.
00:49:56.000 They're less likely to believe that charity is a good idea, that kindness towards others is an important value.
00:50:01.000 This is all downstream of how badly the communist revolution, the communist regime, it messed with their psychology.
00:50:09.000 It did deep and lasting damage to their psyche, and it killed millions of people.
00:50:14.000 It's just a tremendous tragedy.
00:50:16.000 It is the worst event.
00:50:18.000 To have happened in the 20th century that that occurred.
00:50:20.000 I often tell people when I went to Russia, it felt like alternate 1985 in a lot of ways, like from Back to the Future, because it felt like something was off, something went wrong, right?
00:50:32.000 And because people, no matter where you go in the world, this is just what I've learned that people are generally very similar to one another.
00:50:38.000 They have the same passions, the same loves, the same hates, the same desires, the same will to, you know, for the most part with different cultural things.
00:50:48.000 Russia felt like such an oppositional America, right?
00:50:53.000 Like, it's just like everything that went possibly wrong, that could have gone wrong, went wrong.
00:50:57.000 And that was all thanks to.
00:50:59.000 All thanks to a handful of incredibly evil people.
00:51:02.000 And it was just a handful.
00:51:04.000 Just a handful.
00:51:05.000 The 1917 Russian Revolution was a super minority.
00:51:09.000 Super minority.
00:51:10.000 Super minorities with bad ideas can destroy your country.
00:51:13.000 I wanted to get to an email that was sent in because I think it's really good.
00:51:17.000 This came from Judy, and it was about the start of the show where you were talking about Mangioniism versus MAGA, the need for reform.
00:51:26.000 And I mentioned how a lot of people have fallen out of jobs that used to provide good opportunities because immigrants have totally replaced them.
00:51:33.000 And she had this great email.
00:51:34.000 She said, I have had the same experience that you saw with roofers in rural Southeast Nebraska.
00:51:41.000 I remember in 2000, I was leaving church after a funeral.
00:51:44.000 There was a crew repairing or replacing the roof on the Elks Lodge.
00:51:47.000 They were all local American guys, one of whom had gone to the same elementary school through high school with me.
00:51:53.000 Fast forward to 2022, I needed a roof installed.
00:51:56.000 I was horrified when the local company showed up, and it was all foreign labor.
00:52:00.000 None of them spoke English.
00:52:01.000 And they had come from Omaha.
00:52:02.000 That's two and a half hours away, and that's a city in the middle of the country.
00:52:06.000 I was furious.
00:52:07.000 I mentioned this to another contractor, and he said, That's how it is.
00:52:11.000 Even if an American wants to work in a job and is satisfied with the wages and conditions, can you imagine being the only person there who doesn't speak Spanish?
00:52:18.000 How would that work?
00:52:19.000 How would you be able to work on a roof and use heavy equipment if everyone else is a foreigner, primarily using Spanish?
00:52:26.000 I just thought that was a great email from Judy, very aware of what the crisis is.
00:52:30.000 This is what we have to fix.
00:52:31.000 We need blue collar jobs that are not just accessible to Americans, but welcoming to Americans.
00:52:38.000 Important food for thought.
00:52:39.000 Great questions today.
00:52:40.000 Great week of shows.
00:52:42.000 We look forward to seeing all of you again on Monday.
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00:53:45.000 I really enjoyed that question.
00:53:47.000 I mean, it's a horrible topic, but that communist revolution thing.
00:53:51.000 I want to just take a moment to note there are a lot of other really bad ones, and usually the only thing making them not as bad as the Bolsheviks is they were mercifully short.
00:54:00.000 There's a guy, Bela Kuhn, who took over Hungary, communist revolution, incredibly violent, incredibly horrible, but thankfully he was defeated.
00:54:09.000 Francesco?
00:54:10.000 Yeah.
00:54:11.000 And Romania?
00:54:11.000 Romania.
00:54:12.000 I mean, those later ones, the Iron Curtain, all horrible in their own way.
00:54:16.000 But they all do flow out of that one Bolshevik revolution.
00:54:19.000 Even the, this was even, it was mostly a marginal extremist movement until they happened to pull off a fluke win in a revolution, and it's been poisoning the West ever since.
00:54:29.000 There are all these academics who embrace Marxism, not because there's any evidence in favor of it, but just because one of them took over a superpower.
00:54:37.000 Ideas have consequences, as we see with them, as we see with figures like Obama, LBJ, Zorhan Mamdani today.
00:54:47.000 It bears emphasis.
00:54:49.000 Shausiscu in Romania, interesting story.
00:54:55.000 So, the place where the government operates out of is known as Shausiscu's Palace.
00:54:59.000 It's gigantic.
00:55:00.000 You can see it from space.
00:55:02.000 But they basically just murdered every person that lived within that, whatever that like city block that they built the entire thing and like took their property and just built this entire like very ornate palace.
00:55:14.000 It's quite the site, but it's so huge.
00:55:16.000 I've walked through it.
00:55:16.000 I think half of it's empty.
00:55:18.000 More, yeah, I think more than half is empty.
00:55:19.000 I've walked through it.
00:55:20.000 I've actually been in it a few times.
00:55:21.000 It's like, but that's like heaviest building in the world.
00:55:25.000 Scary stuff.
00:55:26.000 But these people, like, and if you study in all these places, whether it's Romania, Bulgaria, uh, Where it's been tested in the Baltic states, Russia, where I spent most of my time.
00:55:41.000 These are scary, scary ideas that have murdered people, have left people and completely wrecked them.
00:55:50.000 People are poorer than they've ever been.
00:55:52.000 There are places in some of these places in Eastern Europe that it looks like a third world country that you would never be able to envision anywhere else.
00:56:00.000 It's so upsetting.
00:56:01.000 They don't even have electricity or running water.
00:56:03.000 We want a more upbeat question.
00:56:05.000 So, this is a great one.
00:56:06.000 This is aimed right at you, Tyler, I believe.
00:56:09.000 Tim, you're next.
00:56:10.000 Unmute yourself.
00:56:11.000 And what's your question for Tyler?
00:56:12.000 Hey, Tyler.
00:56:14.000 Yeah, since you're on the show today, I thought this would be a good opportunity to ask you about something I've wondered about.
00:56:18.000 I'm very intrigued by the work you're doing with going out in the ballot harvesting.
00:56:22.000 And I was just kind of curious, some of the details around that stuff.
00:56:25.000 I'm looking at my calendar, how many days typically does somebody come out for?
00:56:29.000 How many days should I plan to be there?
00:56:32.000 And I was just kind of wondering, is it, Typically done in the evenings?
00:56:34.000 Is it something you do all day?
00:56:36.000 Is it more on the weekends, weekdays?
00:56:38.000 And what kind of training do you guys provide beforehand?
00:56:42.000 So, yeah, just kind of some of the logistics about that would be helpful.
00:56:47.000 No, we appreciate it.
00:56:48.000 Thank you, Tim.
00:56:49.000 And yeah, we're looking forward to having you out.
00:56:51.000 So, we actually are launching our Commit 100 program on Monday.
00:56:55.000 So, you can see it right behind me.
00:56:56.000 It's tpaction.com/slash 100.
00:56:58.000 It's the thing that keeps falling down.
00:56:59.000 That will be live this next Monday.
00:57:03.000 And the idea is that we actually, and we're encouraging people to go to Arizona, New Hampshire, or Nevada.
00:57:10.000 We need as many people as we humanly can in Arizona.
00:57:14.000 So if you can bookmark yourself for any time in October, Arizona's it.
00:57:18.000 We generally like to schedule people through our Commit 100 program for about a week or more.
00:57:26.000 So if you can spend a week, if you can take a week off work, great.
00:57:30.000 I mean, we'll take less time and we'll have different, like, Levels of that, if you will, will start by booking people for weeks at a time, starting on Monday.
00:57:41.000 And you come out and we do a training on day one.
00:57:45.000 So, you right in your either at our headquarters or your hotel that you're staying in, we usually do a class.
00:57:51.000 It's a class, it's just right there in the action building.
00:57:53.000 It takes about three hours.
00:57:55.000 We take you through everything and we give you more training than anyone's ever given people who volunteer for these types of things.
00:58:01.000 And then you get a list of 100 people.
00:58:03.000 So, we call it the Commit 100 program because you have 100 people that were trying to chase their vote.
00:58:08.000 So, October, when the time we book you to come out, the early ballots are already out.
00:58:13.000 People have their ballots sitting on their countertop effectively.
00:58:16.000 And you're going out and chasing 100 of those people to try to get their ballots in.
00:58:23.000 Obviously, for our guys in Arizona, it would be Andy Biggs, in Nevada, Joe Lombardo, and Johnson Nunu in New Hampshire.
00:58:32.000 So, yes, if you can plan the time now, and this is for everyone that's listening, take the time now.
00:58:38.000 To plan one to two weeks, if you can, in Arizona, we'll put you in a hotel.
00:58:43.000 You can spend the time, you can work mostly during the day.
00:58:46.000 The question is, when can you work?
00:58:49.000 Generally, you have to get this work done before the sun sets because people will get really freaked out if you come knock on their door or try to contact them after dark.
00:58:57.000 And so, most of this is during the day.
00:58:58.000 And so, then your nights are free.
00:59:00.000 And so you can kind of do fun stuff and see Arizona or Vegas or New Hampshire.
00:59:06.000 New Hampshire should be beautiful that time of year to just kind of go mill around and see the sites and all that stuff.
00:59:13.000 And then have the weekends as well, because most of the work can get done if you do it well Monday through Friday.
00:59:19.000 So, two weeks worth of work.
00:59:22.000 You should be able to make contact and chase 100 ballots.
00:59:25.000 Our target is 10 ballots per day.
00:59:28.000 And obviously, that's if you get all of them.
00:59:30.000 We don't expect everyone to get absolutely every vote out, but we're trying to.
00:59:35.000 And that's why we've done the Commit 100 program the way that we have.
00:59:38.000 It's incredible.
00:59:39.000 High intensity, high investment, but we're hoping it'll pay big dividends.
00:59:43.000 This last election cycle, our Commit 100 program chased 86% of the votes that we were chasing.
00:59:50.000 That's the lowest of low propensity voters.
00:59:53.000 86% of them turned out.
00:59:54.000 Obviously, President Trump helped a lot and people were familiar with him, so that helped.
00:59:59.000 But yeah, our ballot chasers did an incredible job who came out and volunteered.
01:00:03.000 That's awesome.
01:00:03.000 So we hope that you're able to take Part.
01:00:05.000 Thank you for that question.
01:00:07.000 I think we have Anthony next.
01:00:09.000 Anthony, unmute yourself.
01:00:10.000 What's your cue?
01:00:11.000 Hey guys, how are you both doing?
01:00:13.000 We're doing great.
01:00:14.000 Tyler, actually, I can add to something you said about food and stuff at events.
01:00:19.000 The GOP in my town just did their first meet and greet for a town supervisor candidate.
01:00:22.000 They've never done one and they raised almost $10,000 in two hours.
01:00:27.000 Wow.
01:00:28.000 They had food.
01:00:29.000 Yeah.
01:00:29.000 Got to have food.
01:00:31.000 They did finger food so nobody was sitting down so people could still mingle and everything and they talked with the candidate and people wrote.
01:00:37.000 Checks of, I'll say this, $500 or more right then, there, and that night.
01:00:41.000 It's great.
01:00:42.000 In Wisconsin, they do something similar.
01:00:44.000 They do a lot of these, a lot of beer and wine nights where they congregate, everybody brings a bottle and they have, they, you know, sip and then they are able to kind of talk about these things.
01:00:55.000 It's great.
01:00:56.000 I mean, any way that you do it, whether it's donuts or whatever, right?
01:00:59.000 Like, you got to have something.
01:01:01.000 The food matters.
01:01:02.000 But my question is this So I've been reading in Massachusetts that the governor is trying to create some Muslim commission to help.
01:01:11.000 Islamic Muslims get into state positions.
01:01:16.000 Is that first legal?
01:01:18.000 Also, is that another form of DEI because now you're making it one group and you're segregating the rest?
01:01:25.000 So I've been reading about this, and is it legal?
01:01:30.000 It's all very dodgy.
01:01:31.000 So what it is, is it's a proposed bill.
01:01:33.000 So I think it's legislators.
01:01:35.000 I don't know if the governor has endorsed it, but it's coming out of the legislature.
01:01:38.000 And it's an old bill that they're reintroducing.
01:01:40.000 And it would basically create a formal 11 member commission.
01:01:44.000 So that's why it might be legal.
01:01:45.000 I don't know if there's really restrictions on you can make a body to suggest things and stick people on it.
01:01:52.000 But it is a group whose purpose is to advise and advocate for Muslim Americans and then make recommendations about how to respond to Islamophobia.
01:02:03.000 And it does seem like one aspect of it is to suggest potential Muslims for positions in the state.
01:02:09.000 So I think they could straight up say, maybe if there's a judicial vacancy, oh, this should have Muslims appointed to it.
01:02:15.000 So, it 100% is DEI.
01:02:17.000 It is DEI because you are creating a special group for this novel minority group to advocate for them.
01:02:23.000 They're going to inevitably start suggesting, oh, here's how you should restrict freedom of speech to curb Islamophobia.
01:02:30.000 Here's policies you should have at universities to prevent the rise of anti Muslim hate.
01:02:35.000 It's not good to create entities like this, really, for any group, but especially a group that we're worried is not very ideologically amenable to the West, to Christendom.
01:02:48.000 It is a bad sign to say the least.
01:02:50.000 So, yeah, to put this in the context, and some of this is happening, by the way, because there were some commissions and some laws that have been put into place to fight anti Semitism in a similar way, which a lot of people attacked some Republicans who voted against those for this very reason.
01:03:11.000 A lot of Freedom Caucus members had actually voted against ideas like this.
01:03:16.000 Again, it's playing on the left's playing field if you do too much of that.
01:03:20.000 And we oppose anti Semitism strongly.
01:03:22.000 Charlie was worried about this, though, that.
01:03:24.000 If you're creating a group to generate solutions, it's very likely going to end up being.
01:03:29.000 And now here we are.
01:03:30.000 We want carve outs.
01:03:31.000 We want hate speech.
01:03:32.000 Now here we are.
01:03:33.000 Now they're putting these same commissions together for Islam.
01:03:36.000 And to your point, it's far more dangerous.
01:03:40.000 And there's not dangerous introductions that we're seeing that are similar to or akin to Sharia law in your local community.
01:03:49.000 And so this is a horrible idea.
01:03:51.000 This is a terrible idea.
01:03:53.000 This is a part of the reason why.
01:03:55.000 You know, you should we shouldn't have these types of groups for you know any religious uh minority, like there's we don't need any permanent commission whose job is to go around and find ways and inflate to solve any phobia crisis.
01:04:11.000 Government never solves a crisis, yeah.
01:04:13.000 So that's definitely our take on this.
01:04:15.000 We have one minute till the break here, but maybe you could answer this quick.
01:04:17.000 We have a written question from Zach.
01:04:19.000 He says, I'm seeing polls that Husted will lose in Ohio, that's the senate race, I believe, and Vivek is within one percent.
01:04:26.000 Is this true?
01:04:26.000 I live in Ohio.
01:04:27.000 I don't see that happening.
01:04:29.000 How worried should we be?
01:04:30.000 One of the things right now, remember early to mid August is usually the worst polling era when you hold the presidency for the party in power.
01:04:41.000 So these weeks are the worst polls, typically, historically, that we've seen.
01:04:46.000 So there's a lot of freaking out going on because there's a lot of bad polls, seemingly bad polls that are out there right now in many of the swing states.
01:04:55.000 I would just say, kind of hold on to your pants.
01:04:57.000 See where we end up.
01:04:59.000 About a month from now, we'll know, we'll have a much better idea of how things are shaking out.
01:05:04.000 It's much more likely that things are going to tighten up in all the swing states by early September.
01:05:10.000 We've got a few questions to go.
01:05:11.000 We got this written question that I really like, Tyler.
01:05:14.000 Kelsey asks I enjoy thinking about the random small things I loved about Charlie, like when he would give Blake the Hillsdale Roman history quizzes for fun during breaks.
01:05:23.000 Are there any quirky or small things Charlie did that you miss about him that people might not know about?
01:05:28.000 I was thinking about a funny one.
01:05:30.000 We had Sonia Zawakowska.
01:05:34.000 I'm inheriting it here.
01:05:35.000 We had the documentary filmmaker of Thank You for Sharing, who has a long Polish sounding last name.
01:05:41.000 And I was remembering, do you remember how Charlie could not usually pronounce weird names that well?
01:05:47.000 And what was funny about it was you could repeat it for him right to him, and it still wouldn't quite work.
01:05:53.000 It was just a very funny quirk of his.
01:05:55.000 And I got such a kick out of it every time.
01:05:57.000 Yeah, I miss it on the day to day basis.
01:06:01.000 I've had, I've been obviously in one on one chat with Charlie for, you know, 11, now almost 12 years.
01:06:09.000 And I miss so much this last year of just like, we would just drop the funniest things into our chats, right?
01:06:18.000 It would be like a lot of our chats was, especially the last few years, was like me, Andrew, and Charlie, the political stuff and handling all the media and stuff like that.
01:06:28.000 But his response oftentimes was, yeah, in all caps.
01:06:31.000 I love to, I quit.
01:06:32.000 No, all cabs, LMAO.
01:06:35.000 Like, that would be his most frequent thing.
01:06:36.000 Yeah, his common ones, OMG, oh my gosh, LMAO.
01:06:39.000 I liked I quit, which would be like there would be like some email that was really, really bizarre.
01:06:43.000 So I never, I was never an LMAO guy, but this last year I've kind of adopted the LMAO with things when, so I see something funny and sometimes it just makes me feel like Charlie's in the room and it just makes me sad that I can't drop it to him and have him do it.
01:07:00.000 So I feel like we have to do it.
01:07:02.000 There's a lot of stuff where I've, you know, fun stuff and serious stuff where I always think like, how would he react to this?
01:07:08.000 What would he do?
01:07:09.000 Well, and I go back through our chats and I read them, you know.
01:07:12.000 And, you know, I'm so against people sharing his private communications.
01:07:16.000 I've been so disgusted with people who drop.
01:07:19.000 I have literally thousands and thousands and thousands and thousands of chats with Charlie.
01:07:24.000 And I would never even think about sharing even semi positive stuff.
01:07:29.000 And I, even the positive things that are not controversial or trying to make a point or something like that, you know, I feel bad even, you know, sharing.
01:07:37.000 But I think people that do that have been awful.
01:07:39.000 But I will read through all those chats and kind of just, It makes me feel like you're back in that moment, right?
01:07:46.000 And get inspiration for kind of where we're at now.
01:07:49.000 And that's really, I read the things that he said, like, even like almost 10 years ago, right?
01:07:56.000 And it's, and the difference between obviously Charlie, you know, grew up, he matured like in so many different ways, but he was so much of the same person.
01:08:06.000 People have no idea.
01:08:07.000 Like, in 20, when I met him in 2014, 2015, he was such a brilliant person that gave so much insight.
01:08:16.000 You know, even before some of these things were a big deal, and he was so right about so many things.
01:08:21.000 It's early on before it's almost like in many ways, you know, he was just so ahead of his time.
01:08:26.000 I like this.
01:08:28.000 Uh, Caboose points out, I miss playing music before segments and him trying to guess the song artist.
01:08:32.000 Uh, that's another one.
01:08:33.000 It's very funny because Charlie had a few bits of pop culture he really liked, but it was very limited, and so he didn't really know, he didn't know, yeah, he didn't know huge swaths of artists.
01:08:43.000 It was so funny, so so cute, the pop punk era, and you know, that was that was one of his strengths, to be honest.
01:08:49.000 We all miss him so much.
01:08:50.000 And you'll be hearing us say more about that, of course, as the anniversary approaches.
01:08:54.000 We have one more question, I think.
01:08:56.000 We have Ben.
01:08:57.000 Ben, unmute yourself.
01:08:59.000 You have a question.
01:09:00.000 What is it?
01:09:01.000 All right.
01:09:01.000 Can you hear me okay?
01:09:02.000 There we go.
01:09:02.000 Yeah, we can hear you.
01:09:03.000 Ben, what's your question?
01:09:05.000 Hi.
01:09:05.000 All right.
01:09:06.000 So, something off topic.
01:09:08.000 I know it's not something that you guys were talking about, but I have a concern when presidents do pardons.
01:09:17.000 And I was wondering, is there a certain extent That a president cannot pardon, or does something have to happen in order for the people to address this issue?
01:09:32.000 So, this has been litigated a bit, and the answer basically is there is essentially no limit to a president's pardon power over federal charges.
01:09:41.000 A big reason for this the U.S. president, in a lot of ways, is the successor to the old King of England, like a royal monarch, and the pardon power is traditionally a royal power that a monarch has this power of life and death.
01:09:55.000 Over his subjects.
01:09:55.000 He has the power to punish, but also the power to grant mercy.
01:10:00.000 And that was inherited by the United States president.
01:10:04.000 The Constitution says he just has the power of pardon.
01:10:07.000 It's generally been interpreted extremely broadly.
01:10:09.000 So the president, he can do a total pardon before someone even goes on trial.
01:10:14.000 That's what Nixon received, for example.
01:10:17.000 They can commute certain parts of a sentence, but not all of it.
01:10:20.000 They can pardon some charges, but not others.
01:10:23.000 The only limit is they are limited to federal crimes.
01:10:26.000 So this has come up, for example, people want President Trump.
01:10:29.000 To pardon Derek Chauvin, but you could only get rid of the federal charge, not the Minnesota state charge.
01:10:35.000 That would come down to the governor.
01:10:38.000 Obviously, we've seen there's a lot of controversy that comes from this that some presidents have, you know, they've given pardons to people who are donors or are linked with donors.
01:10:47.000 They've given pardons to family members.
01:10:50.000 A lot of that's controversial and understandably so, but there isn't a limit on it in the Constitution.
01:10:56.000 We would almost certainly need an amendment to curb that.
01:11:00.000 And I think there's arguments to be made in favor of it, but there's also arguments to be made in favor of.
01:11:05.000 The full pardon power, just because it is a little bit of a safety valve that we have for the Republic, where you can have something like J6.
01:11:14.000 It got out of control, it became this big tumor on the American Republic, and President Trump said, I am going to lance that boil, squeeze out the pus, make that problem, just resolve it like that.
01:11:26.000 And I think that's the best argument in favor of it.
01:11:29.000 Thank you for your question, Ben.
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