The Charlie Kirk Show - August 13, 2026


The Baby Gabriel Case + Royce White's Trans Journey

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00:01:18 Welcome, everybody.
00:01:19 It is August 13th, 2026.
00:01:22 We're at the Y Refi Studios.
00:01:24 Blake's holding it down with my mic flag for one or two more days.
00:01:27 It is my mic flag.
00:01:28 It is my mic flag now.
00:01:30 I have had it more in the past month and a half than you have, Andrew.
00:01:34 Blake, your lies do not become you.
00:01:38 But that's fine.
00:01:39 Why Refi Studios in Phoenix, Arizona?
00:01:42 Here we go.
00:01:43 You know, Blake, you and I were talking last night and this morning about what the lead should be today.
00:01:49 And there were many options, including, you know, how Ben Shapiro got into Harvard, talking about catering carts and whether foreign governments were involved.
00:01:59 There were so many options.
00:02:02 But we, you know, we've been wanting to cover this story.
00:02:05 And it turns out that this baby has been born.
00:02:09 And I'll give you the backstory.
00:02:10 If you have not, Follow this story.
00:02:12 It is truly harrowing.
00:02:14 It's a California surrogacy drama, and a woman who refused to abort the baby has now given birth.
00:02:21 And her name is McKenna West.
00:02:23 And I'll just tell you where this is going from my perspective right here at the onset.
00:02:28 I think McKenna West is an absolute hero.
00:02:31 So, McKenna West was a surrogate.
00:02:34 Now, we can get into what we think about surgacies in a moment here, but she was a surrogate mom who refused to abort the baby despite the wishes of the boy's biological parents. 0.98
00:02:46 Now, she gave birth early Wednesday among a bitter legal battle.
00:02:51 And here is the situation.
00:02:53 She's from Alaska.
00:02:54 She was carrying a baby for the couple.
00:02:56 At the fetus's 20 week scan, doctors discovered it had a hypoplastic left heart syndrome.
00:03:05 It's a rare birth defect where the left side of the heart doesn't grow correctly and it requires about three surgeries to correct it once the child is born.
00:03:14 Now, the surrogacy agreement.
00:03:16 Blake, and this is where you're not a lawyer, but you play one on TV from time to time.
00:03:20 It had an agreement that allowed the couple to choose to terminate the pregnancy if there was an anomaly found. 1.00
00:03:27 So, but here's what happened McKenna refused to do this. 1.00
00:03:31 She flees to Texas, and where she would be seen as the birth mother, according to the Dallas Morning News. 1.00
00:03:39 So she delivered baby Gabriel, who she got to name.
00:03:43 And now the attorney for the intended parents has told the Dallas Morning News, our clients.
00:03:50 Only focus at this time is ensuring that their baby receives the medical care vitally needed and that, as his parents, are able to spend every precious moment they can with him.
00:04:02 So here's the problem.
00:04:03 So the intended parents are suing McKenna, and they had a court date later this month, but it's unclear how this multi state battle will play out.
00:04:12 Here's my simple logic, Blake, and you can tell me why I'm being far too simplistic in this world full of lawyers and weirdness and surrogacy.
00:04:21 You do not get the right to claim it as your baby when you wanted that baby dead.
00:04:26 That's the first rule.
00:04:28 And because I think surrogacy is weird in general, and we want to know your thoughts, so please email us freedom at charliekirk.com.
00:04:34 The logic is simple your womb, your baby, just as God intended.
00:04:39 So if you're going to play with fire like this and rent out another woman's womb, then you've got to deal with the consequences that there could be consequences.
00:04:46 There could be conflict that arises.
00:04:49 And God bless Ken Paxton.
00:04:50 He's been fighting for this baby.
00:04:52 This baby will be okay, by the way.
00:04:54 The hospital that this baby is at.
00:04:56 Has a hundred percent success rate with this particular procedure, but it remains unclear.
00:05:02 And McKenna has not been able to see baby Gabriel since the birth, so it remains unclear what's going to happen here.
00:05:07 All right, Blake, the floor is yours.
00:05:09 It's all you left out some of the drama, I think, which is I know certainly allegations were made.
00:05:16 A lot of this is allegations because it is an unfolding legal battle.
00:05:19 That once she was McKenna, so she was up in Alaska, the parents are in California, she went to Texas because that's where.
00:05:26 The law will side with her. 0.99
00:05:28 That's where she can get treatment for the baby. 0.97
00:05:30 But supposedly, the parents' backup plan here was they were going to say, once the baby's born, it's our baby, we want to immediately have it in California.
00:05:39 They're alleging that their plan was to just provide palliative care there.
00:05:42 Basically, don't operate on the baby, allow it to die.
00:05:46 So that's why we're in Texas.
00:05:47 That's why Ken Paxton's office intervened and said, we're going to legally order that life saving care be provided.
00:05:56 I don't know where it's going to go from here because, as you say, it feels intuitive to us that once parents decide, please kill our baby, there should be some forfeiture of parental rights there.
00:06:09 But I don't know if the law is going to shake out that way.
00:06:12 Usually, it is the case that a surrogate cannot decide to keep the baby, it does go to the parents.
00:06:18 Now, happily, in most cases, the parents do want that baby.
00:06:22 But this just shows how the whole situation is very fraught.
00:06:26 It gets back to those discussions we would have with Charlie.
00:06:29 IVF okay?
00:06:30 Is surrogacy okay?
00:06:32 And this is the sort of thing that it's why it leaves a bad feeling in my stomach in many cases because you can see how this human being, this child, has become a commodity to certain people, how it's become something that you can design.
00:06:47 You can say, oh, if it didn't come out exactly how I want, throw it out.
00:06:50 Let's try again.
00:06:52 That is what they're attempting to do.
00:06:53 And we'd love emails from any of you who are watching.
00:06:55 How do you feel about surrogacy?
00:06:57 Do you like it?
00:06:58 Because it can allow parents to.
00:07:00 Who can't have a biological baby normally to have one a different way?
00:07:04 You should contact us about that.
00:07:06 Yeah, I just want to chime in there.
00:07:08 I'm open to changing my mind here.
00:07:10 Maybe you in the emails can change my mind.
00:07:13 I'm not advocating to make it illegal necessarily, although I'm very tempted to go that far.
00:07:19 But I do believe that there are probably instances where a well intentioned family literally cannot get pregnant for whatever reason.
00:07:29 I haven't studied it enough, but my instincts tell me this.
00:07:32 It's weird, it feels unnatural, and you're playing with fire.
00:07:36 Now, I want to give a special shout out to CBS because apparently they were the only network to cover this, I think, dramatic bombshell story that exposes so many different threads and themes.
00:07:49 So I'm going to give them credit here.
00:07:51 We're going to play it.
00:07:51 SOT 16.
00:07:53 Meanwhile, the Texas now in a battle over the future of a baby born with a serious heart condition.
00:07:57 The California parent of the child wanted to end the pregnancy months ago when they learned of the condition, but their surrogate refused and then went to Texas, where the state has now stepped.
00:08:07 Wes spoke about the unusual surrogacy situation with Live Action, an anti abortion rights organization.
00:08:14 Her pregnancy was on track for 20 weeks until doctors diagnosed a rare and severe heart defect in the baby.
00:08:20 After learning of the defect, Wes says the parents, Nasheen Gilcar and Omar Ahmed, asked her to schedule an abortion.
00:08:27 Parents with medical prerogative is something experts say is a common clause in surrogacy contracts.
00:08:32 Instead, Wes decided to find treatment in Dallas for the child after birth.
00:08:37 Everything about this, it's so upsetting.
00:08:40 Like you mentioned there, it was on track until 20 weeks.
00:08:42 That's very far into a pregnancy.
00:08:45 These parents came in and said, We want you to abort it.
00:08:48 We want you to throw this baby out because it's going to have a disability, a disability that will likely shorten its life.
00:08:54 But it's unreal.
00:08:56 It's not one of those cases where abortion advocates will say, Well, you need the right to abort because some babies have a terminal disability that will cause them to die in their first minutes of life.
00:09:06 It's not even a case like that.
00:09:08 Their baby wasn't perfect, so they wanted to throw it out.
00:09:10 And God bless Texas for helping Miss West in this case.
00:09:14 All right.
00:09:14 So we have emails, Blake.
00:09:16 What are we hearing from the good folks?
00:09:18 Well, we've got a few.
00:09:19 We've got an endorsement of your take.
00:09:24 I completely agree with you, Andrew.
00:09:26 Those parents' rights were relinquished when they wanted her to abort. 0.97
00:09:30 Ridiculous. 1.00
00:09:31 God's blessings on that mother. 0.99
00:09:34 Another one, I think someone said, I agree with Charlie.
00:09:38 I like Charlie's view on IVF.
00:09:40 Only use the amount of embryos that you can take care of.
00:09:43 That's obviously related.
00:09:45 It's what I think bothers us when we see modern technology allow babies to become a commodity.
00:09:52 It becomes something that people think they can just pick up, throw out, get rid of.
00:09:57 And that should worry us.
00:09:59 And we see signs of this everywhere.
00:10:01 And I've talked about this a bit on X, but we might as well talk about it here too.
00:10:05 We're getting the technology, it's quite close.
00:10:07 They're making it in China where we won't need surrogates anymore.
00:10:10 You can have an artificial womb, a robot.
00:10:12 You can grow a baby in a vat.
00:10:15 And my thought, my prediction is I think we're going to see people become more pro abortion from that, even though all those excuses people made up about bodily autonomy, my body, my choice, that's the explanations people gave for why abortion was justifiable.
00:10:32 That'll all go away, but people will still say, I want to customize my baby.
00:10:36 If it's wrong, I want to be able to pull the plug.
00:10:38 And I think this shows it.
00:10:40 And I think another case that we've seen out of Massachusetts shows the same thing.
00:10:45 Yeah, well, I just want to say quickly, I think you're completely right.
00:10:48 If you grow a baby in a lab, you're going to see more abortions because you're going to lose that human connection.
00:10:54 It's like when humans moved to the city and they lost the connection with the farm or the forest or whatever.
00:10:59 This is one of the reasons this is happening.
00:11:01 McKenna feels tied to this baby that was growing inside of her, right?
00:11:06 And obviously, she seems like she has a really active faith.
00:11:10 So let's play SOT 17, hear her in her own words.
00:11:13 This couple I was carrying the baby for had decided that they wanted me to terminate. 0.95
00:11:18 the pregnancy.
00:11:18 You're in a legal battle fighting for your son's life.
00:11:21 I could be facing over $200,000 in damages and financial consequences.
00:11:28 They get to make all of these decisions that are going to affect me for the rest of my life, trying to force an abortion.
00:11:36 And that's something that I would have had to live with.
00:11:38 And I didn't think that I could live with myself.
00:11:40 Nothing was scarier than questioning my own soul and knowing what would happen to this baby boy if I. His life doesn't have a price tag on it.
00:11:53 There's nothing that they could try to come after me for that would be worth his life.
00:11:59 Man, God bless you.
00:12:00 He seems just completely authentic.
00:12:02 And.
00:12:04 You know, fighting for this baby's life for all the right reasons.
00:12:06 Now, you mentioned Massachusetts, by the way. 0.50
00:12:09 Oh, and by the way, if she's facing $200,000 in damages, I bet a GoFundMe would shore her up really quick.
00:12:16 And I would completely recommend people donate it to it.
00:12:18 Yeah.
00:12:19 But this is really infuriating. 1.00
00:12:21 Governor Maura Healy, who's a self proclaimed Christian, governor of Massachusetts, has just signed a bill to make sure that women can kill unborn babies up to 40 weeks, 40 plus weeks, actually. 0.51
00:12:34 In Massachusetts. 1.00
00:12:35 So she says, we're going to make sure that women in particular are able to make their own health care decisions.
00:12:39 I hate this stuff.
00:12:41 SOT 18.
00:12:42 I promise that no matter what Donald Trump or Republicans in Congress or the Supreme Court does, we're going to continue to make sure that women and families have access to the health care that they need right here in Massachusetts.
00:12:58 We're going to make sure that women in particular are able to make their own health care decisions, not the government.
00:13:05 And if you see the wide shot, Blake, you see all these young white women gathered around clapping like seals. 0.58
00:13:11 It strikes me, and this will be my comment, and then I'll throw it to you. 0.70
00:13:16 I've fact checked this.
00:13:17 It's approximately right.
00:13:18 Maybe the numbers aren't exactly 60 and 60, but we've killed about 60 million babies since Roe.
00:13:24 And in that time, we've imported about 60 million. 0.93
00:13:27 Actually, probably more, but it's about 60 million foreigners, third worlders mostly, into the country.
00:13:34 And so I don't have a problem. 1.00
00:13:36 Basically, saying very directly that this is a curse upon our nation that we have brought on because we've indulged child sacrifice.
00:13:44 We've endorsed it. 0.98
00:13:45 And you have clapping seals that claim to be Christians signing legal papers, ensuring that it can happen all the way up to birth. 0.98
00:13:53 And I find that to be detestable.
00:13:55 I'm 100% pro life.
00:13:57 I know you are, Blake.
00:13:58 It's one of your most passionate issues.
00:14:00 And I believe this is a curse upon our nation.
00:14:03 What do you think, Blake?
00:14:04 I think you're right.
00:14:06 If we believe that God exercises any moral hand over history, I think you'd have to believe that that many people, that many innocent human beings snuffed out, and that we prefer to ignore it.
00:14:23 We prefer to not think about it too hard.
00:14:26 You could see, you'll just see headlines where they'll talk about, oh, you know, missing generation.
00:14:32 Like they're murdered. 0.94
00:14:33 We have, we murdered our country's future. 0.71
00:14:35 And they'll talk about, We have a problem with falling fertility rates. 0.96
00:14:38 We have a problem that we don't have workers to fill jobs.
00:14:41 The reason we don't have those is because we made it legal and encouraged people and provided government money and provided, in some cases, religious sanction for people to murder their own children.
00:14:52 And that is heinous.
00:14:55 And we have to believe that people who endorse this and enable this will be held accountable for it.
00:15:00 And it's one of the things that makes me feel so upset that the governor there who's signing that bill has.
00:15:07 Identified herself as a Catholic.
00:15:08 I think there's a photo of her with the previous Pope, and that fills me with disgust because what she is doing there is as evil as any warlord committing a wartime atrocity.
00:15:20 It's as evil as anything in history.
00:15:22 And as you say, they're all sitting there clapping like seals.
00:15:25 Just, well, this is a girl named Kate Deneen.
00:15:30 She's the president and CEO of a better city in Massachusetts.
00:15:33 She gave her aborted baby the middle name Lee to honor the doctor who killed him that performed the abortion.
00:15:40 She helped push the late term abortion bill in Massachusetts at 33 weeks.
00:15:45 She and her husband drove to Maryland so a late term abortionist, Leroy Lee Carhartt, could inject potassium chloride straight into their son's heart and make it stop. 0.98
00:15:55 Why?
00:15:55 A neurologist told her.
00:15:56 That the baby had a catastrophic stroke and might end up with serious disabilities.
00:16:00 Those claims could only be checked after he was born.
00:16:03 Instead of waiting, they killed him.
00:16:06 That's who's behind that bill.
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00:17:09 Without further ado, we have a great guest in store for you who's been on an incredible journey, both personally, professionally, athletically, and emotionally.
00:17:20 And that is, of course, Royce White, who has declared herself ready for the WNBA draft or for eligibility.
00:17:30 Royce, welcome to the show.
00:17:31 It's so good to have you.
00:17:33 And I just want to thank you for your courage, for what you're fighting for.
00:17:38 And the floor is yours.
00:17:39 We want to hear your story.
00:17:40 Well, thank you for having me on.
00:17:41 I really appreciate it.
00:17:43 It's been an incredible journey these last two weeks.
00:17:46 You know, the trans life is difficult.
00:17:51 You know, it's 400 or 500 years of oppression and systemic injustice, denial of our existence.
00:17:58 We exist, we have a right to exist.
00:18:00 All trans people have a right to exist.
00:18:03 But especially your black transgender lesbians like myself, we especially have a right to exist.
00:18:08 And, you know, CNN, just this morning, CNN says, oh, well, these two former players, NBA players, are co opting all of the sweat equity from the WNBA. 0.95
00:18:20 And who are they to tell us what a real woman is? 0.99
00:18:23 That's so true. 1.00
00:18:23 I mean, they don't know your experience, they don't know the struggles that you've gone through. 1.00
00:18:32 Can't understand your struggles.
00:18:34 Andrew and I certainly don't.
00:18:36 All we can do is we need to line up and we need to listen. 1.00
00:18:40 Yeah, when a black woman talks, people should sit and learn and try and learn what it is that they can't possibly even start to empathize with. 1.00
00:18:50 I mean, I think there's such a gap between the lived experience of black trans lesbians and what other people could empathize with. 1.00
00:18:57 Why even attempt it? 1.00
00:18:58 Just sit back and let us run the show.
00:19:00 Yeah, I mean, I completely agree.
00:19:03 And who are we to.
00:19:04 Inject our own opinions or maybe even judgments.
00:19:08 Royce, you know, I want to give you a chance to reply back though to the WNBA.
00:19:15 There was a meeting yesterday, and I think some of your decisions, your actions in the recent weeks have helped spark this.
00:19:25 Obviously, Sophie Cunningham plays for the Indiana Fever.
00:19:28 She said that she wouldn't be supportive of your coming into the WNBA as a trans player, but then a number of players said that they would welcome you in.
00:19:40 And so that obviously helped inspire your journey and your courage here.
00:19:44 But a statement from a WNBA spokesman yesterday.
00:19:47 Says today's meeting covered a wide range of topics, including ongoing discussions on transgender athletes and the continued hate and vitriol directed at players online.
00:19:57 We will continue to engage all league stakeholders in the coming weeks and months.
00:20:01 We will approach these important conversations thoughtfully and in alignment with the values of our league.
00:20:06 There are no immediate eligibility matters affecting the WNBA, and we strongly denounce the bad faith efforts to use these topics to demean or marginalize others.
00:20:16 I just got to ask.
00:20:17 Uh, Royce, how does that make you feel when you see the WNBA spokespeople uh calling what you're doing bad faith?
00:20:25 Because I can obviously see that this is sincere for you.
00:20:29 Well, number one, I find it offensive that they have any comments on my faith whatsoever.
00:20:33 I'm a pro life Christian black trans lesbian, and they have no right to speak on my faith, that's very personal. 0.91
00:20:41 Uh, but even more importantly, it's like to continue to deny black transgender lesbians is tantamount to genocide. 0.60
00:20:49 What you just witnessed with the WNBA's response. 0.96
00:20:52 In the public is harmful.
00:20:53 It's dangerous for all of us trans people.
00:20:56 And it's tantamount to genocide. 0.95
00:20:59 I totally agree. 0.98
00:21:01 And I got to ask on a personal level, you know, I've seen the comments, you know, you're being misgendered.
00:21:09 You're being hated on. 0.93
00:21:11 Dead name. 0.94
00:21:12 A lot of dead naming.
00:21:14 A lot of dead naming.
00:21:16 A lot of misgendering.
00:21:17 Yep.
00:21:18 Yeah.
00:21:18 I never knew.
00:21:19 I never knew.
00:21:20 I never knew.
00:21:21 Look, I always talked about, you know, these. 0.67
00:21:25 This cultural wedge issue, as like, you know, gender proceeds from biology. 0.65
00:21:30 We have to have a shared reality when it comes to men and women. 0.67
00:21:33 If we don't, it's pretty much pulled out the Jenga piece and baseline for us to have any meaningful conversations about the human condition or human existence.
00:21:41 But I guess I was wrong.
00:21:43 Obviously, I was wrong.
00:21:44 It's a revelation that I was wrong.
00:21:45 And it's liberating. 0.95
00:21:46 I had a transgender locked down inside of me for so long.
00:21:50 It's really cured a lot of my other physical and mental health ailments because, you know, this was the real issue. 1.00
00:21:57 Yeah.
00:21:57 Yeah, that's my question.
00:21:58 How is your mental health when you get dead named? 1.00
00:22:01 You called it a genocide, and obviously that's true. 0.89
00:22:08 How are you coping with the hate, the vitriol, the WNBA saying that this is bad faith, and they're questioning your gender journey?
00:22:17 How are you doing personally?
00:22:19 Well, I mean, you know, they hate me because they ain't me, right?
00:22:23 And, you know, it's.
00:22:26 I get it.
00:22:26 You know, it's a journey.
00:22:27 Everybody's.
00:22:29 Is, you know, transition is a journey.
00:22:31 Mine has to take place in front of the public, so it's gonna have a lot of scrutiny and people gonna have their opinions, right?
00:22:36 I'm getting a lot of death threats, people telling me to commit suicide, but I'm not gonna let anybody disturb my peace and my energy and me becoming the beautiful black queen that I'm becoming right before America's eyes.
00:22:51 You mentioned dead naming.
00:22:53 Is there a new name you've contemplated taking on that you would like to introduce to the world?
00:22:58 We wanna be maximally respectful here.
00:23:00 Yeah, it's Roy Sha.
00:23:01 R O Y S H A. 0.97
00:23:03 Yeah, Roy Sha. 1.00
00:23:05 But we're going to change that for you really quick.
00:23:08 And please, I would appreciate that.
00:23:10 No, no, you know what?
00:23:11 I just figured out my identity myself.
00:23:13 It's unfair to ask my friends like you guys on the Charlie Kirk show to get the name right every single time.
00:23:20 But a lot of these people, these bad faith actors who say that I'm not a woman, this is all an act, they are dead naming me intentionally.
00:23:28 They're dead naming me intentionally.
00:23:29 It's not an honest mistake.
00:23:31 No, obviously it's bigoted, it's hateful, and we can't abide it, Roy Shah.
00:23:37 And I just want you to know we have your back 100% here.
00:23:40 Now, you are getting called out on CNN. 1.00
00:23:43 The WNBA is attacking you. 1.00
00:23:46 Sophie Cunningham has already attacked you. 1.00
00:23:48 That's what sparked all this.
00:23:49 Do you have anything you'd like to say to Sophie Cunningham in particular?
00:23:55 Well, I got a lot of respect for Sophie Cunningham.
00:23:57 She's a great player. 0.98
00:23:59 She's tough. 0.63
00:24:01 She does a lot of the little things. 0.95
00:24:03 I think that Sophie has a right to her opinion, she has a right to her free speech.
00:24:09 We obviously disagree, which is why I'm pursuing the 2027 draft.
00:24:14 And I'd love to get a chance to play with Sophie, actually.
00:24:16 In fact, If there was one team other than the Minnesota Lynx, you know, I'm a hometown guy here in Minnesota, Belly the Beast, cultural epicenter of American politics.
00:24:25 If there was one other team I'd love to play for, it'd be the Indiana Fever and the great Sophie Cunningham.
00:24:30 Yeah. 1.00
00:24:31 And by the way, they could use somebody, you know, of your size and athleticism to maybe defend Kaitlyn Clark, which has been another ongoing controversy in the WNBA. 0.99
00:24:43 I mean, this Kaitlyn gets fouled more than anybody, and they're just egregious. 0.99
00:24:47 Now, Sophie's getting slapped in the face with flagrant technical fouls here, and obviously not going for the ball. 1.00
00:24:55 They could use you on that team.
00:24:57 So I'm 100% behind you.
00:25:00 The Indiana Fever should absolutely draft you in this upcoming draft.
00:25:04 And what do you think you could bring to a team in the WNBA, Royce?
00:25:07 Well, a little bit of everything.
00:25:09 You know, when I was in college and all through my career, one of the things that has always been said or complimented about my game is that I'm versatile.
00:25:17 I do a little bit of everything.
00:25:18 I guard every position, I can score at all three levels, I'm a willing passer.
00:25:23 I'm a tough nosed defender.
00:25:25 I love defense.
00:25:26 I take pride in defense. 1.00
00:25:28 And that's a lost art in today's game, gender wide. 1.00
00:25:32 And I think I could bring all of those things to a WNBA team. 1.00
00:25:35 I will.
00:25:36 And I'll do whatever the team needs me to do.
00:25:37 Whatever the other girls need me to do, I'm here to do. 0.95
00:25:41 Well, I think that we recently had Sophie Cunningham herself. 1.00
00:25:44 She took a hard foul.
00:25:45 And her own coach came out and said, I respect you.
00:25:49 Don't let someone drive in the paint unobstructed.
00:25:52 I respect the opposing player for fouling hard.
00:25:55 Are you prepared? 0.99
00:25:56 In your new feminine identity, are you comfortable with going maximally hard, doing some aggressive, violent fouls on your fellow women in the WNBA?
00:26:05 Well, of course, as the first, sometimes identifying as a black trans woman, I don't want to be targeted.
00:26:14 I don't think that would be right for me to be targeted.
00:26:17 That'd be transphobic if they intentionally targeted me and tried to hurt me or foul me because of my trans identity.
00:26:26 But it's a contact sport, and people have to be willing to go in there.
00:26:30 And take a knock or two.
00:26:32 Well, I mean, would you, on that same question line, would you be, if you do play for the Indiana Fever, I mean, is that a kind of coach you want to play for?
00:26:42 Somebody that's encouraging other teams to foul their players, her players?
00:26:47 Not particularly. 0.97
00:26:48 I think that she should have defended her players.
00:26:50 You always want to defend your players, especially your star players.
00:26:53 And whether or not Sophie Cunningham's a premier scorer in the league, certainly she's become one of the faces of the league, and for good reason.
00:27:01 She's a beautiful queen.
00:27:03 And, you know, Caitlin Clark is obviously next world and has elevated the entire WNBA.
00:27:08 And right now, I think their WNBA community, soon to be our WNBA community, is going to have to come to grips with the fact that Caitlin Clark has really elevated the game.
00:27:19 And a rising tide raises all boats, right?
00:27:22 I mean, I don't understand why even myself joining the league, as long as we get more eyeballs, as long as we get more attention, as long as the ticket prices and the TV audience continue to increase, what's the problem?
00:27:34 Well, I don't see a problem with it at all, Royce.
00:27:36 And I just want to say that on behalf of the Charlie Kirk Show, we got your back, queen, and we think you're beautiful just the way you are.
00:27:43 And we support this 100%.
00:27:46 So, Godspeed.
00:27:48 And we know that you are going to take the WNBA to heights it hasn't seen.
00:27:53 And we're just really excited for this next stage of your journey.
00:27:58 But before we go, I just want to make sure that I pay homage to the people who came before me, the people whose shoulders I stand on, right?
00:28:06 I mean, that's so important.
00:28:07 All of these other gender fluid folks that really set the stage for culture to accept me.
00:28:12 You got people like.
00:28:13 Joanna Man and Tyler Perry, and you got even the late Robin Williams, Miss Doubtfire.
00:28:19 There's so many other.
00:28:21 Oh, and you can't forget the beautiful RuPaul, right? 0.95
00:28:23 RuPaul was one of the early pioneers of sometimes identifying as a trans lesbian woman.
00:28:30 So I'm standing on their shoulders.
00:28:32 I'm standing on their shoulders.
00:28:34 You know, we're getting comments here, Roy Shah.
00:28:38 Said, Roy Shah is a nice name.
00:28:39 Be respectful of her.
00:28:40 I agree.
00:28:42 Anyone else starting to think Roy Shah is really pretty?
00:28:46 So, listen, this is not some game here.
00:28:51 I agree.
00:28:52 I think you look beautiful.
00:28:53 And who am I to judge?
00:28:57 And that's, you know, we're evolving. 0.99
00:28:59 And you've obviously pioneered a new way in the WNBA. 0.79
00:29:02 And we have your back, Roisha.
00:29:04 God bless you guys.
00:29:05 Thank you for the platform.
00:29:08 CNN didn't want to platform me, they canceled my interview.
00:29:11 They said they had other news.
00:29:12 I don't know what could be more newsworthy than the first black trans lesbian to play in the WNBA.
00:29:18 I don't know.
00:29:19 Thank you.
00:29:21 Yeah.
00:29:22 You're pioneering a new way.
00:29:24 And I thought that was what we love here in America.
00:29:26 We love, you know, breaking that glass ceiling.
00:29:29 I don't know if it's a glass ceiling.
00:29:30 I think it's a glass ceiling.
00:29:32 So go ahead and break it, Royce.
00:29:34 And we look forward to seeing you on the court next year because that's what justice would look like.
00:29:40 That's what gender equity would look like.
00:29:44 And we can't wait to see it.
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00:30:47 I, you know, I have so many thoughts.
00:30:49 That was so fun.
00:30:50 I have so many thoughts.
00:30:51 That was so fun.
00:30:54 I mean, God bless him, right?
00:30:55 You know, God bless her.
00:30:56 Gosh, I'm still learning, guys.
00:30:58 I'm still learning.
00:31:00 And I mean, no disrespect.
00:31:01 You know, I'm just profoundly grateful for her courage and her pioneering spirit and her willingness to really put herself out there in this vulnerable way.
00:31:13 And I learned so much.
00:31:14 You know, I'm just learning.
00:31:16 I'm fallible.
00:31:17 You know, all we can do is learn.
00:31:21 All we can do is learn, do our best.
00:31:25 We are all flawed individuals. 0.88
00:31:28 And, you know, Russia challenges us.
00:31:30 Russia challenges us to be better, to overcome our limitations. 0.58
00:31:35 Yes.
00:31:35 I think we, you know, Royce has said it best that when a black woman is speaking, we should listen.
00:31:42 We should honor.
00:31:43 We should listen. 0.80
00:31:44 Especially when a black trans woman is speaking. 0.97
00:31:46 It's not our job to get in the way. 0.98
00:31:47 It's not our job to center our white fragility in all of this. 0.69
00:31:52 Yeah.
00:31:52 Yeah.
00:31:53 And don't do those white supremacist things like, you know, using logic or, you know, politeness.
00:32:01 Don't be overly polite. 1.00
00:32:02 Just let her, let that queen talk. 0.99
00:32:05 And we should disagree with everything.
00:32:08 The world has lived under the white cis hetero patriarchy for long enough, Andrew.
00:32:12 I completely, man, if that doesn't sum it up, I don't know what will.
00:32:17 I just think it's shocking, Blake, that the WNBA had a big meeting yesterday and was unable to come up with a conclusion of what is a woman.
00:32:28 And in that lack of decisiveness, then I totally believe that Ennis Cantor Freedom and Royce White.
00:32:38 Should 100% be eligible for the 2027 draft.
00:32:42 And if they are not, then there is not justice.
00:32:45 This is the most un American story I've ever heard if the WNBA comes out against them.
00:32:50 What say you, Blake?
00:32:51 Well, first of all, I think it's definitely proof that this is a women's basketball league, that they were able to announce a big meeting and have all of their leaders come together and hear everyone's point of view and affirm everyone's feelings and make sure everyone was heard and then not reach any actual decision.
00:33:06 They'll have to have another meeting about it.
00:33:08 Definitely sounds like a lot of other. 0.99
00:33:13 Women centered entities that I've been adjacent to in my life.
00:33:16 I have to say, that's completely, it's like the Longhouse made manifest here.
00:33:22 I have to say, Roy Shah White is much more of a woman than many of the so called trans women that I have seen on the news being supported by outlets like CNN and MS Now, being championed by the New York Times and ABC, NBC, CBS.
00:33:37 Roy Shah is as much of a woman and deserves their respect and the proper gendering.
00:33:43 Is anybody else?
00:33:44 Now, I want to be clear.
00:33:45 You know, Royce has been up against it on social media, like a lot, right?
00:33:50 I mean, we can pull up some of these tweets.
00:33:54 241.
00:33:55 Look at Isaiah Martin.
00:33:57 I see that buffoon, Royce White, that bum I cooked on the Stephen A. Smith show, and who also had a very unsuccessful career in the NBA.
00:34:04 Yeah, but Royce White had a very successful career in Canada, was like MVP, massive triple doubles, all that stuff. 0.89
00:34:13 Royce Replies, I've been misgendered and den-named by the Democrats for days now.
00:34:18 That is what hate looks like, boo-boo.
00:34:20 You really need to do some soul searching and figure out why you're still living in cisgender bigotry. 0.89
00:34:25 Amen, Queen. 0.97
00:34:26 Black trans lives matter.
00:34:28 We have always mattered.
00:34:29 We will always matter. 1.00
00:34:30 If you don't refer to me as Queen, you hate black women. 1.00
00:34:33 Royce, White for U.S. Senate, Minnesota 2026. 1.00
00:34:36 Slay Queens.
00:34:37 I completely agree. 1.00
00:34:39 I mean, she's got a great point here.
00:34:40 I need to pause and call someone out.
00:34:43 I need to call out.
00:34:44 Danny on our team, Danny, you're getting called out live on air because you are not okay.
00:34:49 You said, I want to know if I can bet on his overs in the league.
00:34:53 Danny's a bigot.
00:34:56 I don't think we can ever have him around again. 1.00
00:34:58 Danny, don't misgender. 1.00
00:35:00 That's hateful stuff.
00:35:02 Another tweet here from Royce 240.
00:35:05 This is him with two other beautiful queens. 0.99
00:35:07 Said, Three strong, beautiful black women. 0.99
00:35:09 My mother, who gave birth to me, 10 pounds, nine ounces, no epidural. 1.00
00:35:13 She's struggling with my transition, naturally.
00:35:15 I'm kidding.
00:35:16 She's been very supportive.
00:35:17 The other is my baby sister, going into her last year of college as a Division I athlete.
00:35:21 I helped raise her, and she has put a lot of time into the game of basketball, a crazy career, state titles, lost to COVID shutdowns, back surgery, grueling workouts with me.
00:35:30 She's starting her master's program.
00:35:31 We're very proud of her and will protect her at all costs.
00:35:34 Maybe her and I will be drafted together.
00:35:36 Wouldn't that be something?
00:35:38 Can you imagine that?
00:35:39 Royce White and his baby sister getting drafted together in the WNBA.
00:35:44 I mean, you know, there's a lot of hate out there, there's a lot of negativity.
00:35:49 But then you got people like Royce White who are pioneering a new way and showing this is still the land of opportunity.
00:35:54 America is still the greatest country in the history of the world because guess what?
00:35:59 Trans, black, lesbians like Royce White can still make it in America and his baby sister. 1.00
00:36:07 And that's the opportunity the WNBA has afforded us. 1.00
00:36:10 That is what George Washington crossed the Delaware for.
00:36:14 It's what Abraham Lincoln guided us through the Civil War for.
00:36:17 It's what Teddy Roosevelt launched a square deal for.
00:36:20 It's what Patton fought at the Battle of the Bulge for.
00:36:24 I wish we had an American flag that could start waving behind me because this is probably the most American thing I've ever seen in my life.
00:36:30 Yeah, I totally agree.
00:36:32 This is what the founders wanted. 0.95
00:36:34 And obviously, that and Muslim cultural centers in our governments and late term abortions. 0.89
00:36:41 I think what we're seeing in hour one, Blake, is a manifestation of the founder's vision for America.
00:36:47 And it's embodied by brave trans black lesbians like Royce White and his baby sister, who apparently seems to be cis, but we don't want to judge.
00:36:57 But that's fine. 1.00
00:36:57 Three black queens right there. 1.00
00:37:00 Man, this has been an hour. 1.00
00:37:02 I don't even know what to make of this.
00:37:04 And I just, you please forgive me in the audience as I learn, as I adapt, as I evolve.
00:37:09 I'm trying to be better.
00:37:10 I want to be better.
00:37:12 I want to be better for the next generation.
00:37:13 So give us your emails, your thoughts, freedom at charliekirk.com.
00:37:17 Let us know what you think of Roy Show White's journey and whether or not the WNBA should be more open and inclusive to her journey as a trans, lesbian, black queen.
00:37:32 I had the honor of a lifetime to call Charlie a friend.
00:37:37 And what I remember most wasn't just what people saw on stage, it was What was behind the scenes?
00:37:43 That was an unwavering commitment to his faith, his love for his family, and his genuine desire to encourage others to live with courage and conviction.
00:37:52 Charlie believed that following Christ wasn't something you compartmentalize.
00:37:56 He didn't put it in a box, he lived it out loud.
00:37:59 It shaped how he lived, how he served, how he treated people every single day.
00:38:03 Charlie Kirk, American Martyr, captures that heart.
00:38:06 This documentary isn't just simply about remembering Charlie, it's an invitation for each of us to ask what kind of legacy we're building.
00:38:14 And whether we're willing to stand firm in our own faith when it's tested.
00:38:18 I hope that you'll watch it with your family and have those conversations together.
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00:38:38 Hour two is underway.
00:38:39 And if this is going to feel like a bit of an emotional.
00:38:45 Psychological whiplash.
00:38:46 I apologize, but we're not talking about Royce White in the WNBA.
00:38:49 We're talking about wolves in white coats that have been coming after kids.
00:38:54 All right.
00:38:54 To set us up in our next guest, let's go ahead and play SOT 21.
00:38:58 Today, HHS released Wolves in White Coats, a report examining pediatric gender medicine and insurance building across America.
00:39:07 The findings raise serious questions about what families were told, what insurers were told, and how these procedures were built.
00:39:15 Today, Secretary Kennedy and I referred hospitals and clinics identified by this review to the Department of Justice and the HHS Inspector General for possible violations of federal law.
00:39:28 These allegations are crazy and they demand investigation.
00:39:32 When children may have been harmed and families misled, it's on those of us in power to find the truth and to seek justice for kids who are harmed by these doctors.
00:39:43 Together, we're going to protect our children and importantly, we're going to restore trust in public health.
00:39:49 And we will hold accountable anyone who would betray that trust.
00:39:53 Joining us now is Admiral Brian Christine, Assistant Secretary for Health from the Department of HHS, joining us now to tell us the details.
00:40:01 Breaking story.
00:40:02 Thank you so much for joining us.
00:40:04 This feels very, very important.
00:40:07 Can you lay out what you have found and what you're reporting in this new report?
00:40:13 What these hospitals are doing, what ages are involved?
00:40:16 The floor is yours.
00:40:17 No, thank you so much for allowing me to be on with you all today.
00:40:20 It really is a privilege.
00:40:21 It's certainly a privilege to serve President Trump and the American people as the Assistant Secretary for Health and to work with Secretary Kennedy and, of course, working with Vice President Vance on this particular project.
00:40:33 But, you know, in the last 10 or 15 years, what we've seen is really an explosion. 1.00
00:40:38 And the number of individuals who identify as transgender and who seek sex rejecting procedures, castrating chemicals, and mutilating surgeries. 0.99
00:40:48 And this report realizes that. 0.86
00:40:49 And we realize too that we're seeing explosion in the numbers, but also a disproportionately high number of minors who are identifying as transgender and seeking these sex rejecting procedures, particularly young girls.
00:41:02 The report looks at this and the report says, okay, what's going on here?
00:41:07 And the report has different sections.
00:41:09 One of the sections looks at the Potential financial gain that gender affirming, so called gender affirming clinics can have in terms of getting these kids on these sex rejecting procedures and chemicals, keeping them as patients for a long period of time.
00:41:25 There's potential financial gain.
00:41:28 You know, if you get a child on cross sex hormones, in other words, testosterone for little girls or estrogens for little boys, that's really $500 to $700 per year per person in terms of cost and the billing for this.
00:41:44 If you do sex rejecting mutilating surgeries, that goes up into the hundreds of thousands of dollars.
00:41:50 So, there really is a financial aspect to this.
00:41:52 There's also a potential fraud encoding aspect.
00:41:56 In other words, these gender affirming clinics, these clinics that offer these sex rejecting procedures, they would use medical codes that potentially are fraudulent to get reimbursement for these procedures.
00:42:10 That's part of the report.
00:42:12 Part of the report looks at the Biden administration, what they did.
00:42:16 To use the heavy hand of government to advance this horrible gender ideology to push kids towards sex rejecting procedures. 0.83
00:42:25 Again, castrating chemicals and mutilating surgeries. 0.61
00:42:28 The report also looks at some of the medical societies that have been pushing this the Endocrine Society, something called the World Professional Association for Transgender Health, the American Psychological Association, all of these individuals, staffed with ideologues.
00:42:47 That didn't want to take care of these kids with mental health care and counseling, which is what they need, but instead pushing them towards sex rejecting procedures.
00:42:57 And the last part of the report looks at eight young individuals, eight minors, and their families who went through these horrible sex rejecting procedures and then said, you know what?
00:43:09 This isn't right.
00:43:10 I've done wrong.
00:43:11 I want to stop the treatments. 1.00
00:43:12 I want to try to detransition back. 1.00
00:43:14 And they were virtually abandoned.
00:43:16 by the same individuals who shoved them in this direction.
00:43:19 So this report is extensive.
00:43:21 It's incredibly well written.
00:43:23 It was produced.
00:43:24 It was really produced through me.
00:43:26 I mean, through my office, the Office of the Assistant Secretary of Rope.
00:43:29 We commissioned this report.
00:43:30 We're really proud of it.
00:43:31 A lot of tremendous individuals contributed to it.
00:43:34 We're very happy.
00:43:35 We're very thrilled that the courageous detransition and their families were willing to speak.
00:43:41 There's also a short video documentary that goes along with the report.
00:43:45 So there's a lot to it.
00:43:46 I know that was a long answer, but there you go.
00:43:49 No, no, no, no.
00:43:49 That's great.
00:43:50 And I just think it's just horrifying that there would be a financial incentive to transition young people before they're even adults.
00:44:01 We're not talking Royce White in the WNBA, who is, you know, in his 30s, her 30s, I should say.
00:44:07 But this is, I want to play this clip.
00:44:09 This is Clementine Breen. 0.97
00:44:11 She shares her experience with puberty blockers.
00:44:13 It's terrible.
00:44:14 I just watched this clip in the break, and it's terrible.
00:44:17 SOC 22.
00:44:18 So, Before we start the questions, tell me a little bit about yourself.
00:44:22 My name is Clementine.
00:44:23 I'm from Los Angeles.
00:44:25 I'm 21 years old as well.
00:44:26 What are some of the health problems that you experienced while you were on treatments and after surgery?
00:44:32 And I know that's probably a tough question, but thank you for talking about it.
00:44:35 Yeah, of course.
00:44:36 Obviously, I dealt with a lot of complications from being on puberty blockers before I hit puberty.
00:44:42 I have constant joint pain and bone density loss as well.
00:44:46 They didn't explain to me the potential lifelong consequences.
00:44:50 That's just so.
00:44:51 Nobody should be having a conversation.
00:44:53 I mean, she is a, yeah.
00:44:55 I'm sorry.
00:44:55 She's such a beautiful young lady, so courageous to speak.
00:44:58 But what she was saying there is a common theme with these detransitioners. 1.00
00:45:03 They and their families so often were never properly counseled about the potential downsides and the risks. 1.00
00:45:12 They were never offered compassionate, comprehensive mental health care.
00:45:16 They were led down a road and then they were abandoned.
00:45:19 I mean, it's so messed up.
00:45:20 The puberty blocker thing really troubled me while it was happening.
00:45:23 It troubles me to this day.
00:45:25 Where it was just shoved out there that it's a pause button for people who are uncertain and you can resume it at any time when the reality is puberty is a specific time in your life.
00:45:37 And if you block it, you just skip past it, you are basically going to render yourself a child for the rest of your life in a lot of ways.
00:45:47 And they just lied to them.
00:45:47 I'm looking at this chart.
00:45:48 Throw up that chart I sent you guys that you mentioned how they were using fraudulent codes.
00:45:53 So this chart is yearly reimbursement for.
00:45:56 Puberty blockers in Pennsylvania, and it was when they said it was for precocious puberty because the valid reason to block these is because some people hit puberty when they're four or five.
00:46:05 They shouldn't be there yet, so you block it.
00:46:07 And they're flagging here that in Pennsylvania, hundreds of kids were being given precocious puberty treatments when they were 14 years or older.
00:46:16 That's when you're supposed to hit puberty.
00:46:18 And millions of dollars are spent on this.
00:46:22 Thousands of people are affected.
00:46:24 I'm just boiling with rage.
00:46:26 These people should be in prison.
00:46:28 No, and you point out something so important with that graph.
00:46:31 Again, using these puberty blockers in an age group that by definition is not precocious puberty.
00:46:39 And like you said, precocious puberty is the early onset of puberty.
00:46:43 Generally, it's under the age of eight for girls, under the age of nine for boys.
00:46:47 And here you are, these teenage kids who are getting puberty blockers for, quote, precocious puberty.
00:46:53 Again, potentially fraudulent billing to try to get reimbursement.
00:46:58 Just looking at the individuals, the reimbursement and the billing for a segment of individuals in that 13 to 17 age group who were coded for precocious puberty, which makes no sense.
00:47:11 From the years 2015 to 2025, over $11 million in potentially fraudulent billing.
00:47:17 Big business we're talking here.
00:47:20 Yeah.
00:47:20 Admiral, this is so great what you're doing.
00:47:23 And it kind of strikes me as similar to what we're seeing in the DEI space with colleges.
00:47:28 They just change the name, they bill it under a different, you know, whatever subhead.
00:47:33 And then they get to continue on with an ideological activist bent to their health care that's hurting people.
00:47:41 That Americans largely voted against.
00:47:44 And so you guys are doing hero's work here exposing the fraud that's harming America's children.
00:47:50 So God bless you.
00:47:52 I hope this is just everywhere.
00:47:53 I hope this gets headlines everywhere.
00:47:54 You guys deserve it.
00:47:55 Thank you so much, Admiral.
00:47:57 Thank you.
00:47:57 Thank you.
00:47:58 God bless y'all and God bless our Republican President Trump.
00:48:00 All right, Blake, let's take it to the emails.
00:48:06 How are we doing over there?
00:48:07 Oh, we're doing great.
00:48:08 First of all, before we dive into all of the Roy Shah ones, I want to shout out Troy.
00:48:14 Was it Troy here?
00:48:15 Whoops.
00:48:16 No, sorry, it was someone else.
00:48:17 It was Buddy said, dang it, I keep missing the right one here.
00:48:21 Someone actually emailed us about the Y Refi Power Cube, and he says that I must protect it because an imposter may try to reclaim it.
00:48:30 And so I'm going to protect the Y Refi Power Cube thing.
00:48:33 No, hold on.
00:48:34 Lee says the YPCT, which is Y Refi Power Cube thingy, historic past and ownership is clouded in mystery.
00:48:42 The YPCT's final destiny is yet to be revealed, but one fact we do know is that it has made its way to you, Blake.
00:48:49 Beware, Blake.
00:48:50 Many undeserving and questionable imposters, Andrew, will make a fallacious claim of ownership.
00:48:55 It's not by happenstance that the YPCT has found its way to you.
00:48:59 I'm going to protect the person.
00:49:02 You obviously don't know what you're talking about, Lee.
00:49:05 Listen, even though you watch this show, doesn't mean you're right, okay?
00:49:08 And that's one example of it.
00:49:09 What other emails?
00:49:10 We got a lot.
00:49:11 We got a lot.
00:49:12 I liked Buddy, who said of Raisha, the only thing better would be if you had exited the comfort of your bigoted chairs and done that story from one knee.
00:49:23 Do better next time.
00:49:25 Amen, buddy.
00:49:26 We are always trying to improve.
00:49:30 We're imperfect people.
00:49:31 We ask for you to be merciful.
00:49:34 Troy says, That was the best interview with Roisha White I have seen yet.
00:49:39 How did you keep a straight face?
00:49:41 Well, we have our straight faces here.
00:49:44 That's why we have to be respectful.
00:49:45 It's very clear.
00:49:46 In my cis straightness, I felt like that was the least I could do for Roisha and her gender journey, right?
00:49:56 And I, you know, I'm learning.
00:49:57 I'm evolving.
00:49:59 I want to be supportive of black trans lesbians and their journey.
00:50:02 And that's the bottom line.
00:50:04 I think we all need to do better out there, buddy.
00:50:07 Paul.
00:50:07 Did we get any emails on the surrogacy stuff?
00:50:11 A lot.
00:50:12 We got a lot.
00:50:12 Let's see.
00:50:13 We got to make sure.
00:50:14 Let's see.
00:50:15 We got a bunch of those. 0.66
00:50:18 Bernard points out in the Catholic Church, we are taught that surrogacy is a great moral evil. 1.00
00:50:23 That is correct. 1.00
00:50:24 That's what I was alluding to.
00:50:25 What the Catholic Church, you know, consistently says is that.
00:50:30 Having babies other than the conventional traditional way, it commoditizes human life.
00:50:36 It treats individual human beings as a thing that you manufacture, as a thing that is bought and sold, and that it is an evil thing.
00:50:46 That's why you're actually also told not to do IVF as an example.
00:50:49 And I know that's controversial with a lot of people, but that is the church's point of view.
00:50:55 Peggy says My thoughts on surrogacy and IVF are they are against God's plan.
00:51:01 So here we have a couple who had problems having a baby.
00:51:04 Now they have a surrogate mother.
00:51:05 The baby is not perfect by their standards. 0.98
00:51:08 So, they wanted to dispose of the child.
00:51:11 I say they don't deserve a child, and maybe that is why they were unable to have one in the first place.
00:51:17 I mean, that's even part of it.
00:51:18 We say people who are unable to, but let's be blunt.
00:51:21 There are people who use surrogates because they just don't want to go through with pregnancy, the mom thinks it'll be draining, it'll make her less attractive.
00:51:30 Those are reasons people do that sort of thing.
00:51:33 And we see the ultimate outcome of those things, which is the discarding of.
00:51:38 Of a human life because it's broken.
00:51:40 It's not perfect.
00:51:42 I should say, because we have a few people, someone says, you know, someone, Rachel, spoke for a lot of people.
00:51:49 Blake, what the heck is going on?
00:51:51 This has to be fake, right?
00:51:53 So we should clarify because we did get a few emails from people.
00:51:56 Yes, that segment was satirical.
00:51:58 Yes, we are not in favor of men and women's sports. 0.61
00:52:02 I'm standing with my black, trans, lesbian queens.
00:52:05 I'm getting better, Blake.
00:52:07 1 Timothy 2 15 states, Yet she will be saved through childbearing if they continue in faith and love and holiness with self control.
00:52:14 People hate that verse, by the way.
00:52:16 It's like one of the most, it's like right up there with women submit to your husbands.
00:52:19 There is something profound, though, that happens to a woman that raises and fosters life inside of her womb and gives birth to that baby. 0.93
00:52:30 There's something profound and divine that happens.
00:52:33 And so don't run away from 1 Timothy 2 15, women.
00:52:37 Yet she will be saved through childbearing if they continue in faith and love and holiness with self control.
00:52:42 It is largely considered one of the most.
00:52:44 Difficult and debated verses in the New Testament, and yet it's in there.
00:52:48 So don't deny the verses.
00:52:49 Don't hate me for telling you what the Bible is saying.
00:52:54 But childbearing is a beautiful thing, right?
00:52:57 It is something that transforms people.
00:52:59 And so if you're going to farm it out, rent a womb, you are missing the journey, it's part of the entire goal of this whole thing, right? 0.87
00:53:12 The journey, it's not the destination sometimes. 0.95
00:53:14 It's not getting the baby.
00:53:15 That's Really beautiful and everything.
00:53:16 Don't get me wrong.
00:53:17 I have three kids myself and it's beautiful and I love them.
00:53:20 But the process of a husband and wife going through that journey together is so important.
00:53:25 Now, my heart goes out to people that are not able to have their own child.
00:53:30 It genuinely goes out to them.
00:53:31 And so that's why I stated earlier, and I'm going to vow to this audience that I will educate myself on a final determination.
00:53:38 I'm not yet ready to say that I want to ban it all, but man, I'm super tempted to.
00:53:43 But I got to look into it more and talk.
00:53:46 To talk to some folks, but I'm super tempted to because it just feels unnatural.
00:53:49 It feels weird. 1.00
00:53:50 And I'm not in support of gay couples doing it 100%. 1.00
00:53:54 I think we so often put the needs, wants, and concerns of adults way ahead of the needs, wants, and concerns of children. 1.00
00:54:03 Why don't we stop asking what is in the best interest of the adults and start asking what's in the best interest of children?
00:54:08 And they deserve a mom and a dad.
00:54:11 They do.
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00:55:13 With us now is Colin Plume from Noble Gold.
00:55:16 He's our resident financial expert.
00:55:18 He gives us the lowdown on the economy, and he also can help you with precious metals, of course.
00:55:23 But Colin, you wanted to come on in a testament to Winston Churchill, which I thought was beautiful.
00:55:30 And on August 20th, it's going to be the anniversary of the Few speech.
00:55:35 And this is the Battle of Britain with that famous, famous line where never was so much owed by so many to so few.
00:55:44 Tell us why this means so much to you and why you wanted to come on to discuss it.
00:55:48 Yeah, well, good to see you guys.
00:55:50 Blake, I thought this would be fun.
00:55:52 I know we always get into precious metals, which I love to talk about, and we can tie it in later.
00:55:57 But the reason I wanted to talk about this is a few things.
00:56:01 One, it's the 250th anniversary of our country, and there are so many documentaries.
00:56:07 Talking about our presidents, talking about World War II.
00:56:11 I think literally almost every night for the past six months, I've been watching some of these.
00:56:15 And Charlie and I had some conversations about Churchill.
00:56:19 And so I've been watching a lot about Churchill.
00:56:20 And I think it's important to think about these things and think about Churchill.
00:56:26 And it's the 86th anniversary of this very famous speech.
00:56:32 And yeah, Blake, what are your thoughts on Churchill, Charlie?
00:56:36 I know I'm sure you had a lot of conversations.
00:56:39 It's funny because now you have.
00:56:40 Some people on the right love to dump on Churchill, but Charlie was always a big fan.
00:56:44 And I think you can, in fact, I'm looking, I was looking around here.
00:56:47 We have a Winston Churchill kind of plaster head, and it's got headphones on up there.
00:56:52 If I gesture over this way, we have Winston Churchill reading one of his radio addresses.
00:56:56 There might be another Churchill thing somewhere around here, but we have a surprising amount of it.
00:57:01 He really liked him.
00:57:02 And I think it's because Churchill embodied a spirit that Charlie loved.
00:57:07 You think of, we've been discussing this week, is America able to.
00:57:11 Make sacrifices in order to achieve a better country in the future.
00:57:16 Like, for example, are we able to do deportations if it means a burrito will be slightly more expensive due to labor costs? 0.60
00:57:22 And I look at some of Churchill's speeches, not even the one we're marking on here, but he goes to the House of Commons and says, I have nothing to offer you but blood, toil, tears, and sweat. 0.88
00:57:33 And he's saying, We will fight them on the beaches, we will fight them in the hills and trees and in the landing grounds, we shall never surrender.
00:57:41 Charlie loved that line.
00:57:43 Never surrender.
00:57:45 But we're talking about the few speech, which is another thing that Charlie could always respect the idea that it could be a handful of people who are holding the line between civilization and its destruction.
00:57:59 So let's play the clip.
00:58:00 I think we got it loaded here.
00:58:02 Let's play 23.
00:58:05 The gratitude of every home in our island, in our empire, and indeed throughout the world, except in the abodes of the guilty.
00:58:14 Goes out to the British airmen who, undaunted by odds, unwearied in their constant challenge and mortal danger, are turning the tide of the World War by their prowess and by their devotion.
00:58:29 Never in the field of human conflict was so much owed by so many to so few.
00:58:38 It's a great quote, and he came up actually.
00:58:41 He said it, it just came out of him.
00:58:43 A lot of people aren't aware it came out of him four days earlier.
00:58:46 He was just watching what was happening with the war, and it just that quote came out, and then he realized, I need to use this in his speech.
00:58:55 And really, you know, for people who don't know, that the pilots.
00:59:00 During the war for Great Britain, I mean, they really saved them.
00:59:03 If the pilots weren't so sophisticated and so good at their job, the war could have turned because they really, the pilots are the ones that kept the Nazis out.
00:59:15 And so he was giving praise to them. 0.55
00:59:17 He also gives praise to the guys on the ground that were also helping the pilots.
00:59:24 It's just a really amazing speech.
00:59:27 Also, the thing about Charlie that I wanted to touch on is something happened he mentioned, he talked about Churchill.
00:59:34 After the FBI searched Mar a Lago.
00:59:37 And he has a famous quote.
00:59:38 And I think this quote and what it means is really kind of sums up Charlie in a lot of ways.
00:59:43 His quote Charlie said, How do we channel these famous words to determine what we, conservative dissidents, should do next peacefully?
00:59:55 And I think that's a lot of what Charlie was about how do we not agree and how do we talk about it?
01:00:03 How do we have these conversations?
01:00:06 And still be able to move past it and have this open dialogue.
01:00:09 And so that quote really sits with me this idea of Charlie and why, like Churchill, and really, Churchill kept Great Britain, they kept the war going a lot of it through his will, a lot of it through his words, a lot of it through his belief, which is sort of what you were alluding to, Blake.
01:00:27 People don't realize that he was trying to keep this, he knew that we had to stay, he had to keep fighting.
01:00:34 People in Great Britain, they wanted to. 0.64
01:00:36 A lot of the people in parliament wanted to do a peace agreement with Hitler.
01:00:40 They wanted to do it, obviously. 0.90
01:00:41 Oh, 100%.
01:00:43 I think that's worth providing the historical context there.
01:00:46 If you haven't seen the movie Darkest Hour, it's imperfect history, but it gets the general vibe, which is Churchill, for example, wasn't even the first pick as prime minister.
01:00:54 There was another guy, Lord Halifax, who was another contender, and he favored, or at least he was much more open to negotiating with Hitler.
01:01:02 This is the situation Germany has conquered Poland, they've conquered the Netherlands, they've conquered Belgium. 0.64
01:01:08 Norway, Denmark, they are steamrolling France. 0.72
01:01:12 They look invincible.
01:01:14 And yes, Britain has this big empire, but it's all centered on this little island that's just standing alone off the coast of Europe.
01:01:22 And a lot of people would say, make peace.
01:01:23 John F. Kennedy's father was saying, I think they need to make peace.
01:01:26 A lot of people thought so.
01:01:28 And Churchill said, no, Hitler is an enemy of civilization.
01:01:32 He will drag all of Europe into the abyss. 0.91
01:01:35 We will fight him to the bitter end if we must, but we are able to win this.
01:01:40 And I just like to provide all of that context because.
01:01:43 People love to blackpill all of the time.
01:01:46 And Charlie was a fighter.
01:01:47 Charlie was one who always believed, never surrender, as Churchill would say, go down to the bitter end.
01:01:53 And he would love to remind people it's been worse than this before.
01:01:57 And there have been great men in the past.
01:01:59 And you, you, the person watching, the person listening to this, can be one of those great people who steps in the line today.
01:02:06 Well, Churchill delivered this famous address to the House of Commons on August 20th, 1940.
01:02:12 Okay.
01:02:13 And what he was doing, he was praising the Royal Air Force fighter pilots who fought the German, you're going to have to help me with the Luftwaffe, day and night.
01:02:22 So, this was an aerial dogfight.
01:02:24 And you had these young British boys that, like, you know, had just been pulled off the street not too long ago.
01:02:29 And here they are engaging in dogfights with the most formidable Air Force in the world at that point.
01:02:35 And France had just fallen, Blake, in June of 1940.
01:02:40 So, two months later.
01:02:41 Not even just France has fallen, but it's giving.
01:02:44 This is Britain's experience every day.
01:02:46 German planes fly over London, bomb it, fly to Coventry, bomb it. 0.98
01:02:50 And that's who the few are. 0.81
01:02:51 A few fighter pilots are all they have.
01:02:54 They literally only have a few hundred of these, they are their only defense against this vast continent's resources being thrown at them.
01:03:04 And Blake, I got to give a shout out.
01:03:08 This was the last surviving Royal Air Force fighter of the few.
01:03:12 255, throw this up.
01:03:13 This was John Patty Hemingway.
01:03:15 The last surviving pilot of the Battle of Britain passed away at the age of 105.
01:03:21 Look at that guy in his wheelchair right in front of one of those planes.
01:03:25 He was one of the few.
01:03:26 And that was, he died last May in 2025.
01:03:29 Colin, yes, please.
01:03:30 Yeah.
01:03:31 To give context, Britain had 750 planes and German had 2,550 planes.
01:03:37 I mean, this was a real, we were, Britain was outmatched, right?
01:03:42 In terms of just total manpower.
01:03:45 But they had a belief.
01:03:46 And they had a belief in something good and they knew they needed to continue to fight.
01:03:51 And Churchill, you know, this idea of the few, he was the few, right?
01:03:54 I mean, the U.S. was still not engaged in this war.
01:03:59 He was, you know, doing everything he can to get the United States engaged in this war because he knew that it was the right thing.
01:04:06 And he knew he needed the United States, he needed our manpower, he needed us to get involved.
01:04:11 And obviously, we were unfortunately, we did get involved, or fortunately, depending on what side you're on, but we did get involved after Pearl Harbor.
01:04:19 So, I think that it's this idea of continuing this belief.
01:04:25 And I will say, I do think it's a lot of what you guys are doing on your show you're continuing this belief when there's a lot of things happening around you that make it difficult.
01:04:36 And you guys take a lot of heat, but yet you're continuing this mission of Charlie.
01:04:43 And that was really why I wanted to talk about this today, I just think it's sometimes really hard with everything happening out there, everything that's going on.
01:04:53 In your guys' world, to continue to kind of push forward and do the right thing and say the right things and be above the fray, right?
01:05:00 Like, I think that's the hardest thing.
01:05:02 You know, Andrew, you and I have talked about this.
01:05:03 Like, how do you stay rise above all this?
01:05:06 And I think you guys are doing that.
01:05:07 And that's why I wanted to talk about Churchill because he had this drive.
01:05:12 And that's what I miss about Charlie, frankly, is I miss that drive, just our conversations, that energy that he could just continue to push down no matter what was happening around him.
01:05:24 And yeah, I miss that from him.
01:05:29 Churchill's speech was given at a time when it seemed as if there was no hope.
01:05:33 London was being bombed relentlessly.
01:05:36 Churchill took to radio and said, We will never surrender.
01:05:39 We'll fight on the beaches, we'll fight on the landing grounds.
01:05:43 What was Churchill really articulating there?
01:05:46 Churchill was articulating a doctrine and a commitment of the will.
01:05:53 What Churchill was articulating is that you might outnumber us, you might have better technology.
01:05:59 But the resolve of the British people will not be broken.
01:06:04 Without Churchill, I believe the United Kingdom would have sued for peace.
01:06:08 Took someone like Churchill, a remarkably wise and charismatic person who was exiled at an early age, but was brought back when people needed him.
01:06:19 There it is.
01:06:20 That's obviously Charlie talking about the Never Surrender speech, which is another famous Churchill speech.
01:06:25 So after this dogfight, Hitler and the Nazis were so frustrated by the British that they ended up engaging in the Blitz, right?
01:06:34 And that's what Churchill's responding to there.
01:06:38 They said, We'll never surrender, even though every night everybody has to rush down into the bomb shelters and Run for cover in the tube and the subways of London.
01:06:46 It was a truly remarkable display of fortitude and courage.
01:06:50 And Blake, I can't help but think about this roofing comment.
01:06:55 It's going viral right now on the internet.
01:06:57 One of Charlie's last speeches to a roofers' convention.
01:07:00 And he's asking them, Are you willing to sacrifice a little bit for our sovereignty to restore the rule of law?
01:07:06 And these roofers are like, We won't have enough people to put roofs on houses.
01:07:11 And it just strikes me of the World War II spirit.
01:07:15 And you can say, look around.
01:07:16 Is the same country, same civilization still standing that's worth putting your life on the line?
01:07:20 And that's, listen, I don't begrudge anybody asking that question, but this is my home.
01:07:24 This is your home, Colin.
01:07:25 This is Blake's home.
01:07:27 And Charlie would often say, we don't fight because we know we're going to win.
01:07:29 We fight because it's the right thing to do.
01:07:32 And I hope we still have that spirit, that fighting spirit that Churchill had, that Charlie had, in enough of us, in the hearts of enough Americans that we'll fight and sacrifice for this country.
01:07:43 Colin, your reaction.
01:07:45 Yeah, yeah, no, I think the interesting thing too, if you look at some of the great, you know, if you took it after World War II and, you know, and all those years running up, probably I would say until the mid 1970s, it was, you know, obviously they call them the greatest generation.
01:08:02 It was also some of the greatest wealth for individuals that we've ever seen.
01:08:09 And it's interesting, I think, like after we won, obviously there was devastation and there was, you know, countries that took, it took many years.
01:08:17 And actually, You know, Great Britain was in a really terrible place and they were the world's reserve currency.
01:08:23 And then in 1944, there was Bretton Woods Exchange and we became the world's reserve currency and we pegged gold at $35 an ounce to the dollar.
01:08:32 But there was a lot of real wealth.
01:08:35 And what I mean by wealth is that that was the time when one income, you know, have both parents at home, people could afford a house, you know, the gold and the dollar were tied together.
01:08:47 There was, after we did this, after that we took this and everyone did this unbelievable sacrifice that everyone that fought in this war.
01:08:54 We saw some of the greatest personal wealth for the middle class that I think arguably we've ever seen.
01:09:02 And that was, you know, only because we won.
01:09:05 If we went in a different way and we lost that war, we would have fallen under a dictatorship.
01:09:11 And, you know, it would have been, you know, a really terrible situation.
01:09:15 And obviously now we're talking socialism and all these things that people are talking about today.
01:09:19 But there was tremendous wealth that was built after this.
01:09:23 Well, you know, and it's actually a really important conversation.
01:09:27 And Blake, I'd love your take on this, but there is a difference between material wealth and social fabric, right?
01:09:32 And sometimes these two things get conflated together.
01:09:35 Social fabric would be like, hey, you share the values and the language of the people in your neighborhood.
01:09:40 You don't have to pay extra to send them to a better school.
01:09:42 You know that other people are going to church, celebrating Christmas, Easter, whatever.
01:09:47 And you do have these two family homes, and the mom can stay home, and you could send your kids to public school because they haven't gone crazy.
01:09:54 These are the things that social fabric is based on.
01:09:57 A perfect example there's a book I read.
01:09:59 It's a less famous one by George Orwell.
01:10:01 He wrote 1984, Homage to Catalonia, but he also wrote a very short book shortly after World War II that was called The English People.
01:10:08 And it's him describing, he actually was commissioned to do it by the government, describing the English national character.
01:10:13 And one of the things he brags about in this book is he talks about the Blitz.
01:10:18 And he said one of the remarkable things about the Blitz was you could have a man on a street corner who's selling newspapers, and he wouldn't have to worry about just leaving his papers and his money out to go somewhere else to go into a shop.
01:10:32 Somewhere for a moment, he could come back, he would know it would all still be there.
01:10:35 No one would ever think of robbing him.
01:10:37 He talked about how people who were running into the tube tunnels, the subway tunnels during the Blitz bombing raids, the norm was they would still buy their ticket to get into the tube area as they would do that.
01:10:51 And you think of them doing that while under siege, while being bombed, and you compare it, of course, to the Britain of today, which we worry so much about.
01:10:58 And it's because it's still a very rich country, it's got access to More goods, more wealth than it probably did at the height of World War II. 1.00
01:11:07 But the fabric has been messed up because they've embraced mass immigration.
01:11:10 They've embraced a sort of resentful crabs in a bucket socialism as well.
01:11:15 And now, like, a guy couldn't leave his money line out.
01:11:18 You can't even pull your phone out safely in London.
01:11:20 Someone will rob you.
01:11:22 Something has changed in Britain.
01:11:24 And it's because they threw away their post war leaders after Churchill threw away a lot of that social fabric.
01:11:31 Yeah, agreed.
01:11:32 Yeah.
01:11:32 And in this country, I don't know if you guys have seen this stat about there's 1,200 new millionaires every day here.
01:11:38 But yet, they also say that people feel less rich than they've ever felt.
01:11:42 And I think it's not just monetarily, I think it's this idea of the safety and what's happening in their community.
01:11:50 I also think they're less rich because the dollar is worth so much less.
01:11:53 But I do think part of it is just that social fabric that you guys are talking about is that they don't feel connected to their community the way that they used to.
01:12:03 A lot of it is we've gone away from having both parents' home and the household and religion.
01:12:09 I think a lot of this gave people structure.
01:12:11 That's really missing now.
01:12:13 People are just, they're working more, they're stretched more.
01:12:17 And so that's, you know, I think one of the issues today that we're running into is that just that social family fabric is really missing.
01:12:25 But yeah, I think it's all led up to this.
01:12:28 And it's, you know, I think it's just Churchill really focused on that.
01:12:31 Colin, I totally agree.
01:12:33 And I just want to reiterate this is why you are our partner in this space.
01:12:36 Because, you know, other groups have approached us, whatever.
01:12:38 We're sticking with Colin because this is like, he's good people.
01:12:41 And I hope, I know people can really get that.
01:12:44 Just by hearing you talk, Colin.
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01:12:51 Check out noblegoldinvestments.com.
01:12:53 You can call us, go to our website.
01:12:55 We have people there, the good Americans, people that believe in sound money principles, people that believe that we should get back to that situation.
01:13:06 Gold's up 10% over the last 30 days.
01:13:08 Silver's starting to move.
01:13:09 So I think it's a good time for people to get in.
01:13:11 But yeah, if they want to learn, give us a call and love to help you and get some real money when, you know, Gold is real money and get some real money in your hands.
01:13:19 Yeah.
01:13:19 And by the way, I have to correct you, Colin.
01:13:22 It's noblegoldinvestments.comslash Kirk.
01:13:25 So I just want to make sure everybody gets it right.
01:13:29 Colin Plume, CEO, founder of Noble Gold, a great American.
01:13:33 Thank you, Colin.
01:13:34 We'll talk to you soon.
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