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00:02:50.000It's not good, but some of the like conspiracy theories that we've lived through, it's like one to one overlap, like Venn diagram of it.
00:02:58.000And it's like, okay, people are starting to finally like realize the craziness that we've lived through because this in some ways is even more clear cut because it's like a woman who murdered her three children and somehow she's become the sympathetic figure.
00:03:25.000And so I've been diving deeper into the story, and it looks like this woman was basically like pill shopping.
00:03:30.000You know, I don't know if she got addicted.
00:03:32.000I mean, certainly the system probably provided her with too many pills.
00:03:39.000But like this narrative that the system failed her, maybe it failed her because it did what it's supposed to do too well, I guess, in this instance.
00:03:47.000But she had all the medical help she could want.
00:03:50.000A caring husband who was working from home, trying to make it easier on her, trying to give her.
00:03:56.000And yeah, man, there's so many wrinkles here that it's hard for me to fully wrap my brain around it.
00:04:07.000But at the same time, the fact that the actual victims, these poor babies, got strangled by an exercise ban, by their mother, a couple of minutes at a time, that people cannot.
00:04:38.000By the way, which is like the most horrifying thing, dude, of the whole thing.
00:04:42.000I can imagine what's going through their poor little minds.
00:04:44.000She killed the other two kids in the basement, and then the one boy, the boy got away somehow because they found his body in the office, in the dad's office.
00:05:51.000So, to me, in addition to what you've said, the one piece that sticks with me.
00:05:55.000So, the dad, he's at CVS because he's trying to get Pedialyte because one of the kids was, I don't know exactly which one, one of the kids was sick.
00:06:41.000Yeah, no, but so he calls her and then she has an answer.
00:06:46.000And so they don't know the exact time frame of obviously the killings.
00:06:51.000Like they have an estimate, but they know the time frame of the phone call because obviously there's a timestamp, but also he's on camera at the CVS.
00:11:20.000Team, the front lines team, the TPSA front lines team has actually had a ton of great clips of that, yeah, of those celebratory lines of women.
00:11:32.000Actually, I just live to TikTok reposted the TPSA front lines team who's doing an incredible work, by the way.
00:11:38.000The front lines team is incredible at TPSA, but I thought it was really funny what you guys post.
00:11:44.000I think Jackie put in the chat that Lindsey Clancy is white women's OJ.
00:11:53.000Which I object to only on the sense that is it actually even the case?
00:12:47.000I think that's like a brown one right there at the start.
00:12:49.000Like, okay, guys, guys, I'm not afraid to say it on Thought Crime because this is Thought Crime.
00:12:54.000We have a College educated white Caucasian female problem in the United States, yes, that they obviously they have such like, and we've seen it every major problem where society is essentially massively wrong on an issue from COVID to castrating children to Lindsey Clancy now to other things that we've seen.
00:13:22.000This is the least lib race is whites, that's right.
00:13:27.000This and I've actually freaked out too.
00:13:29.000And I don't want to transition away from this right at all.
00:13:32.000But like last night, I was standing at the Noah Khan concert.
00:13:36.000I put this in the chat, and you know, who's a Hick Lib?
00:13:41.000You know, we I don't want to again, I know Jack that Jack really loves this topic, so we could turn this into something else.
00:13:46.000But I was surrounded by women like that were showing up to this one wrong move.
00:13:52.000And no, my question that I was asking myself throughout the entire thing because this guy's Lib, he's progressive, super progressive from Vermont.
00:14:10.000It's been interesting to watch because their whole hook, where they're like, you guys are just being a bunch of chauvinist men and you don't understand.
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00:18:31.000And so this is algorithmic church, white women church.
00:18:35.000And what's happening is we're seeing, you can disagree, Blake, but you can see in people that go to churches that subscribe to different cultural groups, they have groupthink.
00:20:15.000That says it was Patrick, and including very large TikTok followers, which are people with large TikTok followings, I should say, which I think is driving a lot of this because, you know, people are, you know, it's the algorithm rewards whatever the most outlandish thing you have to say.
00:20:31.000So whoever says the most outlandish thing, oh, it was the husband.
00:20:34.000And now they're, by the way, they're currently trying to say that the husband was secretly on a trip in Costa Rica with the new wife, like the week after the murders and all this.
00:20:46.000And they're going through like social media pages and stuff.
00:20:49.000And, And so I wanted to play, if I could, because Russ says, I'm seeing more of the husband.
00:21:34.000Or debating things that are more fair, right?
00:21:37.000Like it's a fair debate to have a debate over how America treats depression and causes depression and all that stuff, right?
00:21:47.000And that's that's really at the heart of, I think, most good people's points that are.
00:21:52.000Trying to wade into this discussion, but not really thinking about, you know, oh, well, at the end of the day, I look like I'm defending a murderer.
00:22:00.000I think there's a contingency, a large contingency of people, but the blocking and tackling that comes from that debate is it enables the people who are making up.
00:22:09.000Yeah, the natural outflow is it gives cover to the other people.
00:22:13.000What I don't think these people realize is that you, by accidentally defending a murderer, by starting a live debate on postpartum psychosis or depression or whatever, You actually are creating a world in which all these crazy people can make up this lie about the dad murdering, and then nobody goes after that person because it hurts your argument.
00:22:36.000When a crazy person this is politics 101, right?
00:22:39.000When the craziest person in your camp comes out and makes your entire argument look bad, you're never going to attack the most vile, and you, and it's part of politics, and people get mad in left versus right politics for this because they're like, well, why aren't you?
00:22:56.000Constantly going after Nick Fuentes or constantly going after whoever, right?
00:22:59.000Is like the most hated person on the internet today, right?
00:23:03.000Or people are saying that about Tucker or whoever else right now.
00:23:06.000It's like, guys, we're focused on building and all that stuff, right?
00:23:09.000And those people naturally exist because they have their own opinions and whatever.
00:23:14.000But you're right, the algorithm rewards the craziest stuff.
00:23:25.000That's been largely the situation when we've had to deal with it.
00:23:29.000And I've had a ton of time to reflect upon this, which is like, how do these people exist?
00:23:33.000Well, it's the people that are like started at least in a genuine spot that were like, I don't trust the government and da da da, and I don't trust.
00:23:42.000Yeah, police, or I don't trust the FBI.
00:23:45.000Like, there's a lot of players here that people just naturally don't trust, right?
00:23:49.000Politicians, da da da, all those things.
00:23:51.000And, like, I actually agree with that, but it's created this world in which the craziest and these people are never going to handle those people because they never want to cede any ground on their debate.
00:24:32.000If she murdered a bunch of family, if she murdered another family's dog instead, one, people would want life in prison and they would not make it so.
00:24:39.000I'm telling you, this is like abortion culture that's bleeding in.
00:24:43.000It's affected the way that we think about the sanctity of life.
00:24:46.000Especially with women, where they like shout my abortion and like, oh, this pregnancy and this being a mom is so like heavy upon me.
00:24:54.000And I have compassion on the mental load that this has been put upon her.
00:26:11.000Here's what I do know is that postpartum depression is something that many people get and is treatable and doesn't lead to killing your kids.
00:27:36.000And then basically, postpartum depression is a mood disorder similar to major depression.
00:27:42.000Postpartum psychosis is a psychiatric emergency involving a break from reality, including hallucinations, delusions, severe confusion, rapid mood swings, mania.
00:27:54.000Anyways, Jack, you were trying to chime in there.
00:29:30.000Uh, she deserves the same thing those women, those kids got.
00:29:34.000Yeah, they were calling her a baby killer, they're screaming at her, murderer.
00:29:39.000It shows how much a lot of this is whipped up because.
00:29:42.000By default, there are crime, you know, most murders even do not get tons of public attention.
00:29:48.000And it shows kind of the mob element of it that it wouldn't shock me if a lot of like the same people who decided to show up at that courthouse to like scream at the criminal defendant to call her a baby killer could be have their buttons pressed in a different way to show up and scream in support of Lindsey Clancy today.
00:30:09.000I think that I get what you're saying that like people get emotional and then they react, but.
00:30:14.000But I would also just say that in the 1990s, right, the only acceptable public reaction was shock and horror and vehement outrage at the killing of these children.
00:30:26.000And that's why there were, you can go back and look, and there's like Blind Melon, which is like a well known alt rock band from the 90s, wrote a song about this.
00:30:49.000So she was up for parole in 2024, and the husband, her ex husband, so the father, went up and actually spoke and was just, it's one of the saddest things I've ever watched.
00:31:01.000And I haven't clipped it yet, but I'm going to.
00:31:04.000And, you know, he's saying that, you know, she robbed our future from us.
00:31:45.000It's like, a couple of times during this news cycle, I've thought about those kids in a really deep, personal way and just imagine the terror.
00:31:55.000The terror that they experienced in their final moments.
00:31:59.000It's just so excruciating to think about.
00:33:19.000To the people that are upset and believe that she killed her three children and she should be convicted, what would be your message to them?
00:33:27.000I'm so grateful for you that you never experienced even remotely what women experience in postpartum.
00:34:13.000My response to this is always to just go back to.
00:34:16.000No one would ever in a million years say this about a person who did a mass shooting and they could have the exact same life history otherwise of shopping to doctors, getting on pills.
00:34:26.000Oh, you know, normally he was just a great guy.
00:34:29.000And then, you know, unfortunately he woke up one day and assembled an AR 15 and went and shot a bunch of people.
00:34:35.000I can't imagine sitting next to a person like this on an airplane or something.
00:34:38.000Like, I can't believe that people like this sit next to me on airplanes.
00:35:59.000I haven't followed the rest of her account, but yeah, she's screaming.
00:36:05.000So she's throwing this ice into her tub, saying that.
00:36:08.000When I go in here and let out my rage, also while filming herself for social media clout, by the way, that that allows me to, quote, feel angry without being destructive.
00:36:22.000And I get that there's a level of performativeness to all of this stuff, like I said before.
00:36:28.000But I think there's people who do this even when it's not on social media, or they do it in earnest and don't even realize that they are just doing it for the clout and the, Look, she's got edits in this, right?
00:36:59.000The same with mass murderers and people, like copycats, is all of these women, again, even if they feel this way, which is not acceptable, totally unacceptable, totally broken society.
00:37:46.000Well, though, what it is more is like it's seeding the meme in people's brains as like a thing you might do if you're crazy.
00:37:55.000The same way school shootings work, actually.
00:37:58.000That, like, why does America have school shootings?
00:38:01.000Partly it is that it is in the script that if you're an extremely antisocial, screwed up young guy, that that's like a thing an extremely screwed up young guy does is to specifically shoot up his school.
00:38:18.000We're kind of getting this script set that if you're really depressed and you're on a bunch of pills and not going well, this is a thing that your brain can pull out of the symptom jar in kind of the same way that if you're a girl in the 90s, the scripts might say, oh, a girl who's depressed and unhappy might become anorexic.
00:38:42.000The point is, if these are the scripts that we're allowing to run in our society, then they can destroy our society, right?
00:38:48.000Whether or not it's like, A script or a deliberate decision.
00:38:51.000Like, that's kind of, I get what you're saying totally, but that's kind of metaphysical from the point of like, women are going to go kill their kids because of this.
00:38:58.000And that's the reality that we have to deal with.
00:39:00.000Well, and what freaks me out about this whole thing is that they're going to a person that's crazy, that's actually crazy, which is the same definition as being in psychosis.
00:39:38.000It's never going to do stuff like that.
00:39:40.000We're going to continue to prop up these people.
00:39:42.000And what they're going to say to themselves is, you know, when I have, when they're in that final moment of making a decision to do something like that, that they've been thinking about.
00:39:49.000Clearly, I think, obviously, Lindsey Clancy was thinking about how she was going to kill her kids numerous times, which is how she, in a premeditated way, figured out what she would use to kill them.
00:40:01.000And when she intentionally sent her husband to the store, To do this because she knew she would have enough time because husbands take 50 minutes to buy one thing.
00:40:11.000And so, in the same way that, you know, that you now have women that are going to do that.
00:40:20.000And when they're in that break, in that moment where they make the decision of, like, I just can't do this, they're going to say, well, at least if I do it, at least I know I'm going to have fans.
00:40:27.000This is why the moral clarity on this is so important.
00:40:31.000She belongs in prison or the death penalty.
00:40:34.000Like, obviously, it's Massachusetts, not going to happen.
00:40:37.000But the point is, that is why that messaging is so critical that you cannot see it an inch on this because it could end up becoming a thing, right?
00:40:46.000We were talking about this, what do they call it?
00:40:50.000Genetic psychosis or something like that out of ancient Greece.
00:41:18.000And finally, the archon of the city, or whatever their title was, announces the next woman who does this, we are going to strip her body naked and we are going to hang it from the city wall and let the birds eat it.
00:41:30.000And there were no more suicides in Miletus after that.
00:41:44.000You know, we write about this in uh, we have a fifth wave feminism chapter in the new book, and we write that shame is a great way to fight back against this, and so that's why.
00:41:57.000And as a message to any women out there who do things like this, we will shame you, uh, we will post your videos, which you've already posted online, by the way.
00:42:08.000So these are public videos that you posted for the whole world to see.
00:42:12.000We are going to make sure you get famous, see them, especially you.
00:42:14.000And your kids that are posting these images with your kids.
00:42:17.000Can you imagine someday growing up, finding a TikTok of your mom, like, finding these TikTok, like, basically saying that, like, you sympathize with a murderer?
00:43:40.000So suddenly it's like the baby is your oppressor, is your enemy.
00:43:44.000And that's where the abortion debate starts, right?
00:43:46.000That nobody hones in on, which is just like how many people, how many of these women are not, they're saying it without saying it is that they wish they had gotten an abortion.
00:44:00.000But this is the point is that their defense.
00:44:03.000In my opinion, their defense of Clancy in many ways is that the admittance of not wanting to be a mom in general, wishing that they had done the easy thing, which is an easy access to abortion, which is terrible.
00:45:59.000Well, people still get mad at me for saying that Taylor Swift was overweight on her tour, but she was, and she lost a lot of weight before her wedding.
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00:48:27.000And by the way, and by the way, Again, I'm not pointing to the video that was taken by TPUSA or by Frontlines, the Frontlines crew, but a lot of these people that we've seen are really unhappy mids.
00:48:53.000I'm not thinking like I'm some kind of hot commodity in my age, but I'm saying a lot of the women, I'm happy.
00:49:02.000A lot of these women that I've seen that come up with these conspiracies and like all varying different conspiracies, but specifically around like this Lindsey Clancy thing, almost all of them, they're usually like they used to be maybe attractive and they've lost a step and they really hate themselves.
00:49:22.000Maybe their husbands, maybe they're single.
00:49:24.000I don't know, but like they have this like deep, profound self loathing or just like resentment or unhappiness.
00:49:32.000Like in general, I think we have an epidemic of women.
00:50:04.000This is actually having like macro effects.
00:50:06.000For example, for example, Fertility rates have fallen really hard in the third world in the last like six, seven years, much faster than in the first world.
00:50:16.000And that this is one, not even Bollywood, they're just comparing themselves to the first world.
00:50:20.000They watch, they get the same TikToks, so they can see a TikTok of the West, they can see a TikTok of people partying in Los Angeles, even if they live in Hyderabad.
00:50:32.000And so, it's a flattening of standards across the world when it's a standard almost nobody in your entire country can meet.
00:50:41.000There's a lot of interesting stuff going on.
00:50:43.000Instagram is like driving mass migration.
00:50:45.000But this is the point with all of the points that you're making, which is that most things in life are pretty mid, right?
00:51:36.000If you've got your family trip, you're comparing your family trip to the Instagram model's family trip, who everything's perfect and they get the freedom.
00:52:51.000So if you stay there, you can have a good time.
00:52:54.000Actually, what I thought was fun, And I'll just shout it out because I'd been doing this speaking engagement in Serbia and then I realized how close Greece was and we figured it out.
00:53:02.000Um, that uh, I realized you can get like four wheelers on Santorini.
00:53:08.000So at first I was like, I so don't want to be here, but then I was like, wait, I can get a four wheeler and just tool around the island.
00:53:15.000So once I got that, I was like, this is great.
00:53:17.000My wife and I did our baby moon for our first kid in Mykonos and that was super cool.
00:53:22.000I will, oh yeah, that was the last time I was actually in Europe, believe it or not.
00:53:24.000I'm just like such a homer, I love being in America, so I don't even that was like my last.
00:53:29.000I mean, I probably went to Mexico or something in the midst of it.
00:53:31.000But, anyways, my point is that women are comparing themselves to a lot of really beautiful things online.
00:53:40.000It's like, I'm not, it's not even just how hot you are.
00:53:43.000It's like how put together your family comes across, how happy their family is, how beautiful their vacation was, how nice their home decor is.
00:53:51.000Like, constantly at every single stage of their life, they're comparing stuff.
00:53:56.000Every single thing, their home, the home thing is like, yeah, that's true.
00:54:52.000We're seeing the death of the modern American woman in trying to keep up with the internet Joneses.
00:54:59.000Well, in a weird way, would you believe me if I told you that that feels like it's kind of a white pill in that the selection this is causing is so.
00:55:09.000Well, what I mean is this is absolutely vaporizing a ton of people.
00:55:13.000But it's vaporizing them so hard that we're like deleting the people who are vulnerable to this from existence.
00:55:45.000Like, we're selecting so hard against this, and we're selecting against all these bad Instagram trends of the keeping up with the Jones thing, being addicted to it generally, the way, and then it's bad on so many levels because it's bad because it makes you compare.
00:55:57.000It's bad because you watch tons of short videos, and that makes your brain kind of melt and you become stupid.
00:56:02.000We're selecting against this turbo hard, and in 30, 35 years, the only survivors are going to be the people who were not destroyed by this and had kids.
00:57:24.000I think there's an element with some of these mental illnesses, which are real, where they do gain strength the more they are able to draw people in to accommodate them.
00:57:40.000Like what's weird to say is I feel like, I feel like Lindsey Clancy's kids would be alive if her husband was like a coal miner or something.
00:57:50.000And like he just, or if he was like a sailor on, like if he was in the Navy and just straight up was gone for eight months.
00:59:12.000So, maybe the system is the problem because think about it.
00:59:15.000What kind of woman is going to respect her man if you just had a baby and the mother is acting, excuse me, and the man is, what kind of woman is ever going to respect a man where you just had a baby and the man is acting in the role of your own mother, right?
00:59:31.000The man is not supposed to act like a grandmother.
00:59:33.000A man is not supposed to act, that's your mom's role, all right, to help out around the house.
00:59:39.000And in traditional cultures, that's what mom does when a baby is born.
00:59:44.000Mom comes by, they move in, they hang out.
00:59:47.000Families used to live closer together.
00:59:49.000Tyler, you know what I'm talking about.
00:59:50.000And that's where the family support network used to come in because moms didn't have to, quote unquote, do it all by yourself and also have a career, right?
01:00:00.000That's where modern world and modern feminism comes in.
01:00:03.000And then, of course, you go to the doctor and you say, Doctor, I'm feeling depressed.
01:00:08.000Oh, here's your SSRIs and your Seroquel and your Lamygdal and all these other things.
01:00:11.000And meanwhile, it's just like, no, you're upset because.
01:00:16.000You feel like you don't have the support you need, and then you look at a husband operating in a female role, and suddenly you think, Oh my gosh, I don't know if he was or not.
01:00:26.000I mean, I do, I don't know if we know that or not.
01:02:22.000Which is just like, again, the drilling into culture.
01:02:27.000I mean, the reality is that her support base has grown dramatically over this past week and it will continue to grow.
01:02:36.000I just pulled up a poll on Luigi Mangione, which was scary.
01:02:40.000And we talked about this a lot at the time, was that at the time, a poll of young people, over 45% of young people said they support what he did, a murder, right?
01:02:50.000And we talked about this and we debated this.
01:02:52.000I don't think she's going to get to like Luigi Mangione levels.
01:02:56.000However, the outward expression of support for her.
01:03:02.000Again, similar to some of the stuff that we've dealt with and the conspiracy theorists around Charlie, it's a minority, a super minority of people.
01:04:28.000So, you have a situation that, and this is the underlying effect and tone of this whole thing.
01:04:34.000That's really freaking me out is that this is a super Marxist driven.
01:04:40.000And then you look at other people who are saying, yeah.
01:04:42.000Okay, you just inspired me on something, though, because I have.
01:04:45.000Thought a long time about this that if you are a foreign actor and you mean ill for the United States, you hate America, what do you do?
01:04:54.000You take really straightforward cases like Lindsey Clancy or even honestly Tyler Robinson, and then you create an online ecosystem where everybody that's like looking at the facts going, Well, she admitted she killed her kids.
01:05:12.000She like the defense says that the prosecutor, everybody agrees she killed them.
01:05:16.000Like, this is horrific, this is crazy.
01:05:18.000But then you nudge all these people and you amplify the crazy voices so that everybody who's sane is looking online going, Am I taking crazy pills here?
01:05:26.000And I just happen to believe that, like, if I'm a foreign actor and I want to destroy America from the inside out and whittle away at the core character of the country, I would just amplify all these crazy stories because it drives us crazy.
01:05:47.000And I was just having a phone call with somebody earlier today where, and I'll just say it, right?
01:05:51.000I've been thinking about this all week.
01:05:54.000And it just got to the point where I was like, you know what?
01:05:58.000When we first heard about TikTok, what was the one thing that we were all saying?
01:06:02.000The Chinese Communist Party is driving these narratives.
01:06:05.000The Chinese Communist Party is a foreign actor that wants us to hate ourselves and obviously is communist and wants to divide Americans.
01:06:13.000And a lot of people were like, oh, it's kind of boomer.
01:06:15.000It's like a boomer take, et cetera, et cetera.
01:06:17.000And then you kind of look at the sort of things that have been driven lately the Lindsey Clancy stuff, the Tyler Robinson stuff, which is obviously meant to divide Americans and make Americans crazy.
01:06:26.000Then you look at, and I'm just going to say it, you look at the flock cameras where nobody was talking about that a couple of weeks ago.
01:07:10.000You know, our like, by the way, I don't want you to like rip up virgin land, and I feel that way about Amazon, but like, I brought this up with somebody because it was like there was some poll that came out that was like Amazon fulfillment centers had like a really high approval rating, and I was like.
01:07:56.000At some point, these things will all be underground and they'll all just like, Pop up and we'll feel good about it because the landscape will just go right over the top of these things.
01:08:05.000I think we're wrapping up here because we've reached our hour mark and I will take this.
01:08:10.000Me and Blake can take this, but I have to just say the Venn diagram of the CK Truthers and the Lindsey Clancy and the Charlie Truthers, it's almost one to one.
01:09:06.000But given what we've lived through, it's also kind of like one of those things where it's like, okay, now do you see what we've been living through?
01:09:46.000Yeah, but then it's really what got it was the Lindsey Clancy.
01:09:51.000I was thinking about it with the flock cameras and I was definitely thinking about it with the data centers.
01:09:55.000And then just because those were not narratives that anyone was talking about at all in the country.
01:10:02.000And then suddenly they're like hyper viral on TikTok and it's like, wait, where is this coming from?
01:10:06.000And then you see the same with Lindsey Clancy.
01:10:08.000Because remember, the Lindsey Clancy case had happened.
01:10:11.000You know, forever ago, and suddenly just because it's on TV, now it's getting broadcast everywhere.
01:10:16.000Other cases that are on TV too, by the way, that are not getting the same amount of traction at all right now.
01:10:22.000And look, you know, obviously we talked about last week, and you know, people can go back and see last week's episode.
01:10:28.000That, yeah, I wish that we were having more of a conversation about Big Pharma because I think that's where we should be talking about the Sarah Quill, the Lamictal, was she, you know, Dr. Shopping, and stuff.
01:11:01.000I mean, I'm sure there's a bunch, but yeah, I mean, there's been some real studies that's like probably 10 to 20% of all SIDS cases were actual murder.
01:12:02.000If you feel like you are about to do something to harm yourself or others, and you feel that you are down a bad path and you're in a bad place, call 911.
01:12:28.000The police will come and they could prevent possibly an emergency from taking place or they can get you where you need to go.
01:12:35.000Just call 911 and prevent it from happening in the first place.
01:12:39.000On that note, I do believe that Lindsey Clancy is living through a particular kind of hell that, you know, yeah, she needs to be found guilty and she needs to be held accountable.
01:12:49.000But, like, man, the hell she's living through right now has got to be just.
01:13:18.000The moral clarity, like you said, like the moral clarity is that people observing need to know that if you do this, You are going to be banished from society to the point of, like, again,
01:13:31.000I believe in capital punishment execution is that you should be executed, and that young children, people should realize, like, hey, I better start working with my hands and get back to work so that my mind stays clear and I don't end up in the crazy house at some point.
01:13:51.000And I think that that's honestly the thing because, again, of course, these things weren't.
01:13:56.000And we talked about this last week at the same level they are today.
01:13:59.000But I do believe that when people were working, Americans were working harder and they were working harder with their hands and doing more.
01:14:11.000Well, that's like Churchill when he would struggle with depression, would just go like, didn't he like move bricks around or something like that?
01:14:32.000All right, final question, and then we're going to have Jack take us home.
01:14:36.000Is the proper punishment, since Massachusetts doesn't have capital punishment, is the proper punishment asylum for life or prison for life?
01:14:45.000Like, even her own claim is not that she's like, oh, an insane person.
01:14:50.000And these people are like, her gambit here, people will say, oh, if she's found not guilty by reason of insanity, she has to be institutionalized.
01:14:56.000But she's such an obvious case where they'd basically say, well, we have no reason to hold her because she's not like a constant threat to murder people.