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00:01:39.000We have Andrea Burkhart right at the start, and we're going to get started with her in just two seconds.
00:01:44.000But we also have Avita Duffy to talk about all the craze that's going on with the Duffy clan as they come out with their Great American Road Trip documentary, and people are losing their minds.
00:01:54.000So she's going to respond to some of the controversies.
00:01:55.000They're losing their minds about road trips.
00:01:56.000Because, you know, he's a transportation secretary.
00:01:59.000So it's like they think you're not supposed to do these sorts of things.
00:02:20.000You know that we crave your analysis because you don't let us down gently.
00:02:25.000You tell us terrible news, like we have to wait till 2028, and then you post those clips or respond to them online and you break our heart further.
00:02:52.000I think key among those, and you got you saw this from the debate, certainly was this idea that, oh, hey, Candace's position was that the parents, they don't believe that Tyler is guilty, and but they won't talk yet because of strategy, because of strategery.
00:03:08.000So the question is sort of a larger one.
00:03:10.000If there is exculpatory evidence at the preliminary hearing stage, Of this whole ordeal, would they bring it up?
00:03:20.000If they're sitting on something like the parents actually don't think he did it, would they bring that up in the preliminary hearing?
00:03:27.000So, in almost 20 years practicing as a criminal defense attorney, I cannot imagine having exculpatory evidence and not bringing it up at the probable cause stage, particularly in a context like this.
00:03:42.000The whole point of the preliminary hearing is to determine whether there is justification to believe that this.
00:03:50.000Particular person may be involved with this particular crime so as to justify moving forward and requiring the full trial process.
00:03:59.000So, if you have evidence that your defendant didn't do it, you know, isn't guilty, then the probable cause determination is absolutely the time when you would be bringing that up.
00:04:16.000Because if you can win that issue at this stage, you don't have to take the case any further and assume any risk of a bad trial outcome.
00:04:30.000There's not like some grand plan here that they're going to like drop the hammer at the actual trial and be like, see, we told you this shouldn't have gone to trial.
00:04:49.000It's extraordinarily unlikely that there is some kind of 5D chess going on here.
00:04:55.000And part of the reason why is because, especially in a high profile, Profile case like this, there are two things going on.
00:05:01.000One, you're fighting the case itself, you're dealing with the court standards, what they're actually there to accomplish, the scope of your right to present evidence that tends to negate probable cause in order to try to get your client out of this process and out of jail at the earliest opportunity.
00:05:20.000But this is a very high profile case, and these attorneys are extremely aware that there's also a lot of public attention on it.
00:05:28.000And so to not Strategically use information to benefit your client's position in the court of public opinion in a high profile case like this.
00:05:40.000It just also strikes me as extremely unlikely.
00:05:44.000All right, Blake, I know you got a question, but I also want to just say send us your emails, freedom at charliekirk.com, freedom at charliekirk.com.
00:05:51.000If you have questions for Andrea, send them in.
00:05:53.000We're going to do a rapid fire, quick.
00:05:56.000I know we all are very verbose around here, but we're going to try and do a rapid fire audience question.
00:06:00.000So send them in, freedom at charliekirk.com.
00:06:07.000So, the other claim here that, and you saw this in the state's last 19 page brief, which was that, you know, they're kind of going through inferences versus speculation, informed inferences versus speculation.
00:06:19.000And one of it kind of made me think of some of the other themes of that debate where they're talking about hearsay, right?
00:06:24.000So, at a preliminary hearing, reliable hearsay is admissible.
00:06:29.000And there were claims that it was all reliable hearsay, that there was nothing that was not hearsay.
00:06:34.000Why don't you explain the difference between Hearsay, reliable hearsay, and a preliminary hearing, what's admissible and what does that really indicate?
00:06:59.000It's not just anything somebody says can come into court, it has to meet certain minimum qualifications to fit this definition.
00:07:09.000So, there were several things that were presented at the preliminary hearing that were not reliable hearsay.
00:07:15.000And the best example of that was the very first witness who testified a law enforcement officer who was present.
00:07:22.000I'm not sure formal law enforcement or just university police, but was present for the events and testified about his personal perceptions of what he observed, how that led him to the rooftop and discover the sniper pad.
00:07:43.000Basically, all of the investigation that unfolded from that.
00:07:46.000So, no, it's not all reliable hearsay.
00:07:50.000What this rule essentially does is it allows them to, because this is a preliminary proceeding, this is a screening process to decide if the case should go forward to trial or not.
00:08:02.000It's not itself a full trial where all of this evidence is going to be tested.
00:08:06.000So, what it does is it simply allows them to use materials that are pretty commonly relied on by the attorneys and all the participants in the course of a case, things like the police reports.
00:08:19.000Forensic evaluations and evidence of that nature, to use that in lieu of requiring the person who wrote the report to fly into Utah, arrange their day, et cetera, and be present to give live testimony in the courtroom.
00:08:38.000So it's not an indication, particularly of the quality of this evidence, nor does that preclude the defense from being able to use their rights to present evidence and their rights to cross examination.
00:08:51.000To raise points that tend to negate probable cause.
00:08:54.000Does the not challenge the substance, okay?
00:08:57.000This is that they're saying that the defense is not challenging the substance.
00:09:02.000Is it a deliberate, you know, meaning like their silence on some of the central claims?
00:09:08.000So I think part of the challenge here is that there is a lot of language being used, a lot of equivocation about language that's being used, and a lot of conflation of different things.
00:09:18.000So in their filings, the defense has not admitted anything.
00:09:21.000The defense has not made any kind of Formal admission of guilt or the evidence that he was in the stairwell, though, right, Andrea?
00:09:31.000They did admit that it was him on the surveillance video.
00:09:34.000I would not count that as an admission.
00:09:37.000I would call that careless wording on the part of the defense, but I wouldn't necessarily call that an admission.
00:09:44.000That I think is different from a concession, which is refusing to argue a position that you might otherwise be expected to argue.
00:09:53.000And so, in the context of this case, what you have is the state arguing.
00:09:56.000There's sufficient evidence here to believe that Tyler Robin is the perpetrator, and therefore he should be bound over for trial.
00:10:04.000The defense has raised only the argument that hearsay evidence should not be allowed to decide whether or not he should be bound over on murder charges.
00:10:15.000But they aren't arguing that there's any substantive problem with that evidence.
00:10:20.000So essentially, they are not taking a position contrary to the state's argument that assuming.
00:10:29.000The court's going to allow the reliable hearsay to be used, as the Utah Constitution says, as the Utah Supreme Court says, that there is, in fact, going to be probable cause to bind him over on these charges.
00:10:40.000So they're not contesting that substantive position.
00:10:43.000They are making a procedural argument.
00:12:26.000How do they determine the mode of execution in Utah?
00:12:28.000Because it's one of the few states that notably has like firing squads and things like that.
00:12:32.000How do they figure out how they're going to do it?
00:12:34.000Yeah, so these are decisions that are made legislatively.
00:12:38.000They have to approve methods of execution.
00:12:40.000And so the primary method of execution in Utah remains lethal injection.
00:12:45.000However, in the event that the lethal injection drugs are not able to be secured, Cured or for some other reason, they aren't able to carry it out by that method, then Utah does allow the firing squad as an alternative.
00:13:21.000Well, so DNA degradation is such a massive topic.
00:13:24.000I've actually been very much thinking I probably need to do a video on this to spell some of it out.
00:13:30.000But when you're talking about touch DNA in particular, meaning when you swab areas, not because there's a blood stain there or something like that, a biological fluid, but just because you believe somebody may have physically contacted a particular item, you're dealing with touch DNA.
00:13:45.000And what you get from touch DNA is highly variable.
00:13:49.000Sometimes it's very high quality, sometimes it's very low quality.
00:13:53.000We are only Like, still in the early stages of understanding how humans transfer their own DNA into the environment.
00:14:02.000So, the fact of degradation is pretty easy to observe in a DNA sample.
00:14:08.000There's literally a shape in the graph that is produced of the results that tells you that degradation is happening.
00:14:15.000What you cannot infer from the fact of degradation is what it means how it happened, why it happened, whether the DNA was already degraded before it was deposited.
00:14:26.000Which can happen with certain like skin cells are already degraded, or whether it's the result of different environmental factors that were present at the time of the deposition.
00:14:37.000So there's a great amount of variability in these samples.
00:14:40.000And that's why, as we heard in the preliminary hearing, the federal, the Department of Justice analysts, people who work for the Department of Justice, they are not allowed to testify in court about any opinions that would relate to the timing of samples being deposited.
00:14:59.000It doesn't tell you when it was deposited.
00:15:31.000First off, what we actually know about the investigation is very much an evolving question because a lot of this information is, we only know about it because of search warrants.
00:15:46.000And search warrants are often sealed for a certain length of time.
00:15:50.000They're also a little bit hard to track down, given Utah's filing system.
00:15:54.000So, we have learned that personal property of Charlie was the subject of one of the very earliest search warrants that was issued in the case.
00:16:03.000That would include things like his phone, his clothing.
00:16:06.000So, we know that that was at least initially in the possession of law enforcement for them to do what they needed to do with it.
00:16:12.000With respect to the crime scene, it's Normal for police to hold the crime scene and secure it for as long as they need to do their physical investigation.
00:16:26.000A very common one these days is called pharaoh scanning.
00:16:29.000It's a 3D scan that allows them to create a digital copy of like the measurements and where things were located and stuff like that to be able to recreate the crime scene later.
00:16:42.000But the general idea is that that initial.
00:16:45.000Period of the crime scene being secured is as long as it needs to be for police to get what they want.
00:16:50.000And once they're done with what they need, they return it to the property owner.
00:18:09.000And here's the best part: To celebrate America's 250th, just mention the Charlie Kirk Show when you call Noble Gold, and they'll send you a free 10-ounce silver bar when you open a new qualified account.
00:19:13.000And we're just total, I mean, it's like straight out of central casting of kind of what Charlie would envision for the future leaders of America.
00:19:43.000It and a lot of people have a problem with it, but he's the transportation secretary and he's celebrating road tripping across America.
00:19:52.000Explain to me what the real problem is here.
00:19:54.000Well, so, so the road trip really is this idea that to love America, you have to see America, and this is something that our family has been talking about for a long time.
00:20:04.000You know, I'm a Gen Zer, I grew up in a country where I was taught to hate my nation, that Christopher Columbus is the greatest villain of all time, that I can't be proud of where I come from.
00:20:16.000That I have to apologize and be ashamed of being an American.
00:20:20.000And I think what a road trip does is subvert what we're being told in a classroom or through your phone screen, because it allows you to actually go and see America firsthand, to be inspired by it in the way that Alexis de Tocqueville was when he toured America.
00:20:35.000He's a French philosopher who famously wrote this book called Democracy in America that has really inspired people around the world to become Americans or to emulate American ideals for now, a couple centuries.
00:20:49.000Promoting travel, yes, from my dad's purview as the transportation secretary, but it's also about rediscovering who we are at a time when so many people, so many forces in our culture are trying to lie about what America is and make you hate your country.
00:21:04.000You should love America because it's worth loving.
00:21:52.000And there's this other part where, and I'll just play the clip.
00:21:56.000Your dad, you guys go and visit the Liberty Bell, which is like a fascinating story unto itself about how the crack came about and the inscription on the Liberty Bell.
00:22:45.000Yeah, I have a little black skirt and a white top on there.
00:22:48.000Yeah, so I mean, I love that clip because.
00:22:52.000What we're trying to convey with this road trip is it's a civic experience, right?
00:22:55.000When you go and you get in the car and you go and you travel and see America firsthand, that is actually something so profound.
00:23:04.000You can't replicate that in a classroom.
00:23:06.000You can't scroll through TikTok and get the same sense of what America is and who we are as a people and the history of this nation like you can out on the open road.
00:23:20.000And I think that's part of why we've been.
00:23:22.000Attacked so viciously for this is a beautiful example of a very large, very traditional, very Christian family going out and celebrating our country in a really beautiful way, in a very public facing way.
00:23:33.000And I know we haven't really exposed ourselves like this before.
00:23:36.000My parents have been asked to do a reality show with our family for 20 years now.
00:23:40.000And for 20 years, my parents have said no.
00:23:42.000And instead, they said, we're going to, for free, do the Great America Road Trip, almost like a birthday present, America 250 birthday present to this country, because we want to inspire other families to do the same.
00:23:54.000And I think that's probably where a lot of the vitriol is coming from, but I love it.
00:23:57.000And I think a lot of people who watch it in good faith are too.
00:23:59.000Listen, you may get some vitriol, some controversy, but there's a ton of love.
00:24:04.000And I can guarantee you, if Blake just checks the emails, everybody's going to be like, Evita's so great.
00:24:40.000I'm nervous about the idea of Paloma going to Harvard.1.00
00:24:45.000If I send you there, I think what happens is they have professionalized, figuring out how they can take good young girls like you and I think corrupt their minds.1.00
00:24:58.000You don't have to believe what I believe.
00:24:59.000You don't have to have the political viewpoints that I have, but I do think it's important that you make those choices for yourself and you have a fair representation of what they are.0.95
00:25:09.000And I don't think the Harvards of the world give you that kind of well rounded picture.
00:25:23.000Well, I think it's incredible that the left has clipped it and they seem to be genuinely shocked that this conversation is taking place, which is really funny to most conservatives because it's one that's being replicated in kitchens all across America, right?
00:25:37.000People are wondering, hmm, should I spend a quarter of a million dollars sending my kid to a school that hates me and my values?
00:25:44.000Because the left is, of course, Destroyed our education system by injecting cultural Marxism into literally every aspect of education.
00:25:52.000And are you guys covering this Lindsey Clancy case?
00:25:54.000Have you guys been talking about that?
00:25:59.000So I think that there's actually a connection here.0.81
00:26:01.000You know, those women who are outside of the courthouse applauding a child murderer, right, they have been, they've had their brains melted by radical feminism.0.92
00:26:11.000Radical feminism, the ideology behind it is coming out of our university system.1.00
00:26:25.000They let, you know, crazy hoodlums run through the streets and punch people like they were at the Wisconsin State Fair last week, right?0.95
00:26:31.000They just like, that's okay because this is a product of underprivilege or of systemic racism.0.71
00:26:36.000In the same way, you have Lindsey Clancy supporters saying, oh, well, this is a product of the patriarchy or it's a product of, you know, gender inequality or the oppression of motherhood itself.
00:26:56.000It's the system that, by the way, Patrick Clancy, he worked from home, got her a nanny, literally got her all the best things that money could buy, but the system failed her.
00:27:07.000What more was the system supposed to do for Lindsey Clancy?
00:27:10.000Anyways, everything is to blame except the murderer.0.98
00:27:14.000And that's the system of oppression you're talking about.
00:27:17.000I'm just circling back to, you know, The broad based negativity and rage, like, why are they angry?
00:27:22.000It's not just that they're a nice family going on a road trip.
00:27:24.000I think a lot of people, the left has gotten to this weird point where I think, like, almost road trips themselves might be coding to them as like a gross thing because it means celebrating America.
00:27:38.000You have to drive through all of these counties and small towns, and a lot of people have Trump signs in front of their houses in those small towns.
00:27:45.000And well, something very messed up, man.
00:27:47.000I have to pull this, I wasn't going to go here with you, but you brought it up, Avita.
00:27:51.000Uh, this is from Peachy Keenan, who is a friend of the show.0.97
00:27:55.000And she says, Why are so many women so angry?1.00
00:27:58.000They won, they got everything they wanted.
00:28:01.000Men have never been doing this badly, and women have never been doing this well.
00:28:04.000They make more, they have more, a majority of the jobs, they are the majority of college graduates.
00:28:39.000So actually, what you're saying is backed up by the data.
00:28:42.000I've written a couple articles about this.0.99
00:28:44.000Left wing women and particularly left wing single women are not only the most unhappy demo in America, they are also the most mentally ill.0.99
00:28:54.000So, yeah, they think that they've won in all these realms, right?0.98
00:28:56.000They're beating the patriarchy at every step of the way, and it's not leaving them fulfilled and it's not leaving them happy.
00:29:02.000And it turns out that actually some of these systems that we've created in the world, right?
00:29:06.000So, over the centuries, especially ones informed by Christian civilization building, are actually good for people.
00:30:25.000I think feminism, if people dive into like the roots of feminism, you know, they actually, there was like this women's Bible that they came up with.
00:30:33.000They kept, they were going around the country trying to encourage women to, you know, with the vote and suffrage.
00:30:39.000And the women kept voting it down.0.95
00:30:40.000It was very, like women didn't want suffrage.0.92
00:30:43.000But then they, this woman's Bible is actually like devoted to Satan.0.99
00:30:55.000Church and faith in Jesus Christ will bring you joy and purpose.
00:31:00.000And feminism is one of the most destructive, radical feminism, one of the most destructive, I think, veins of ideological movements in the country, in our history.
00:31:12.000And then here you go, you got this priest at Harvard, very liberal place, telling you there's a vibrant culture there.
00:31:25.000Harvard is woke and not what it used to be, is not living up to its legacy.
00:31:30.000Yeah, of course, I agree with all of those things.
00:31:33.000However, I don't believe that we should abandon our institutions to the left.
00:31:38.000In the same way, I don't want the media to be run by the left or our government to be run by the left, I don't want our elite academic institutions to be overrun by the left.
00:31:47.000And I think that there are some kids who will do very poorly at a place like Harvard and they will lose their faith.
00:31:54.000And there are some people who are, I think, very grounded already, who have a strong sense of character.
00:32:03.000And could end up leaving those universities more conservative than they entered them.
00:32:13.000They said that they didn't like the way I looked, that I didn't deserve to vote, that they were going to remove me from campus.
00:32:18.000Actually, David Axelrod, who at the time was in charge of the Institute of Politics at UChicago, had to step in and tell the students to stop bullying me.
00:32:27.000David Axelrod, Obama's former chief advisor.
00:32:30.000So, what I'm trying to say is some kids can come out of this okay.
00:33:10.000Now it basically doubles married men, and this is from the ages of 20 to 39.
00:33:17.000This is a big problem because you will get radicalized politics if people are a nation of renters and if they don't get married and have kids.
00:33:27.000What's driving this in your opinion, especially when you're talking about Gen Z?
00:33:31.000I know there's a lot of consternation and friction between the sexes.
00:33:35.000What do you see when you see this graph?
00:33:37.000Yeah, I mean, it makes a lot of sense to me, even interpersonally, as I look at the men and women that I know in my own life.
00:33:43.000Men are dramatically more right wing than their female counterparts.
00:33:48.000I think that, you know, actually, women are 11 percentage points more likely to graduate with a four year degree than men.
00:33:54.000Men are kind of checking out of that system, and women are being fully, I think, indoctrinated by it and brought into it.
00:33:59.000The one thing that I will say, and I'm actually happy that men are doing so well, they're going towards the political right.
00:34:07.000Reconcile that with their female counterparts.0.99
00:34:10.000I will say, as a note of maybe some hope, there is a growing trad movement among young women.0.98
00:34:15.000I think women are especially attracted to aesthetics, to beauty, to truth reflected through beauty.
00:34:21.000And you're seeing female influencers like Nara Smith and Ballerina Farm really make those lifestyles attractive, make motherhood and womanhood attractive.
00:34:31.000You know, when I first had my baby, I had her May 27th.
00:34:38.000And when I posted, Some really beautiful photos when I like right after I had her because I wanted and I had curled my hair and I did my makeup before I actually gave birth.
00:34:48.000And people are like, that's crazy, but I didn't want to feel ugly as I was going to this beautiful, you know, world of motherhood as I was going to meet my baby for the first time.
00:34:58.000And I think showing women that these things can be beautiful and wonderful and aspirational is going to be really helpful as we try to bring them back from left wing, I think, indoctrination.
00:35:09.000And so, there is positive things happening, especially in the social media world.
00:35:14.000And bringing females back into the fold.
00:35:16.000Yeah, I mean, it all feels really interconnected because even some of the pushback that you're seeing online about this Lindsey Clancy thing, they're saying, conservatives, you're doing it wrong.0.54
00:35:24.000You're turning women away, and postpartum psychosis is real.
00:35:28.000And it's like, I don't feel like we're talking past each other, actually, because I don't see people making the argument that postpartum depression isn't a real thing.
00:35:35.000Of course, it's a real thing, but it doesn't excuse killing your three kids.
00:36:33.000And I'll also say, you know, if you want a good example of a wonderful, loving family discovering America, you can watch The Great America Road Trip for free on YouTube.
00:36:41.000That's at the U.S. Department of Transportation's YouTube channel.
00:36:43.000You can see all the episodes, some miniseries.
00:39:14.000Yeah, you know, Andrew, I was actually just here visiting, and then I got scooped up, and now I'm on the show, and we're going to be discussing that.0.98
00:39:19.000But we wouldn't do that with just any run of the mill female, just the base resident females.
00:39:24.000And we also have the great Steve Dace joining us remotely for the entire hour.
00:40:55.000And all young men kind of go through this, particularly throughout, you know, the modern West.
00:40:59.000And Oran would say that we're at an existential cliff here, which requires a massive paradigm shift and a complete reevaluation of how we are doing politics and what we're going to proceed and do in the next generation.
00:41:12.000And so the reason why there's an argument for this is because they're arguing so vehemently.
00:41:15.000They're both smart guys, and there's ample evidence for both.
00:41:18.000But I think this chart really is the thing in which you'll catch the conscience of the next generation, guys, because I think of myself as a Gen Xer.
00:41:25.000So in this last election, the only generation that overwhelmingly voted Trump was mine.
00:41:30.000Gen Xers voted for Trump by 10 points.0.54
00:41:35.000And so, but we were also the generation, many of the pathologies we're concerned about with young men right now, we kind of started many of these, right?
00:41:42.000People are kind of concerned about sort of nihilistic, iconoclastic social commentary of the Nick Fuentes of the world.
00:41:49.000Well, I mean, that's essentially what gangster rap was back in the day.
00:41:52.000I don't think Nick wants to be compared to black eyes, but that's essentially what it was.
00:42:27.000I mean, porn stars became household names in my generation when you could go into the back of a video store first privately and then at home on your computer privately and without the stigma of going to the red light district.
00:43:15.000And we don't really have too many of those in this generation, which is why Charlie's voice was so vital and carries on, you know, without him into immortality, because it still resonates almost a year after his assassination, because he was filling a void left by a generation of masculine leadership.
00:43:32.000And so, without the hope of marriage, and that chart is just devastating, without that hope being as acute as it was in my time, this means that it's more likely Oron's going to win the argument than, say, you know, than the other guy will, than Joel will.
00:43:49.000So, Steve, we have a resident based female here in Savannah Hernandez.
00:43:54.000Like, when you see a chart like that and there's this surge of unmarried men, what did you instantly think?
00:44:01.000Well, based off of what we saw this week with the Lindsey Clancy trial and women's subsequent response to it on TikTok, I understand why this chart looks the way it does.
00:44:10.000And we have multiple issues in society right now, right?0.92
00:44:13.000We have women who are girl bosses who, quite frankly, don't want to be married.
00:44:19.000Is so degraded, and the average person is told that having a child is going to ruin your life when in reality, having children is what, like Steve talked about, wakes you up to reality and wakes you up to how degraded our modern day society is.
00:44:33.000So, again, when I see this chart, I see it as an example of the propaganda war that has been waged on women and essentially men's response to that.
00:44:43.000I mean, you have had women on TikTok this week throwing ice cubes in their bathtub because they are so enraged about the fact that they're.
00:45:02.000So if you guys have special questions for Steve or for especially Savannah about work in front lines, because we don't usually have one of you guys on for it, definitely send one in.
00:45:12.000But our first question today is from Abby.
00:45:16.000And Abby, unmute yourself and what's your question?
00:45:39.000And so to answer that question, we should always be precise because Turning Point USA does not endorse.
00:45:46.000We have an endorsement process where it's evaluated by our team, and there's a whole questionnaire, and then it's approved by a leadership process.
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00:45:56.000So there's a whole step by step process.
00:46:00.000So if you're a candidate running and you seek out our endorsement, we'll interview, we'll do a questionnaire, and then you'll have to approve by leadership and our board.
00:46:09.000Which is funny because I just loved Charlie's story about endorsing JD Vance.
00:50:02.000You asked about our own views, and it's a tough one because, for example, the Catholic Church historically has said the state authorities have the right to execute people.0.99
00:50:15.000And I would note, even in the Bible, when the good thief and the bad thief are on the Sides of Jesus, the good thief.
00:50:21.000What he says is that we have been justly condemned.
00:50:25.000Jesus doesn't come in and say, actually, all executions are bad.
00:50:28.000He actually does, he just says, because you recognize your guilt and repent, you will be with me in paradise.
00:50:35.000And historically, certainly in the Catholic Church, that was the view that authorities can justly impose the death penalty for punishment and that that is different from abortion or murder or any of these other things.
00:50:48.000They've started to go, I'll be frank, Francis and Leo have done this as well.
00:50:51.000They've gone in a Much more lib direction on this of saying we should abolish the death penalty.
00:50:56.000And I think this is abandoning a historic teaching of the church.
00:51:00.000And it bothers me that they've done this.1.00
00:51:01.000I think they're kind of buying into lib tard reasons for doing it, especially.1.00
00:51:07.000Steve, what's your take on death penalty?1.00
00:51:09.000Well, if you look at the Hebrew word that is used by Moses there in the Pentateuch, it means an unjustified premeditated taking of human life, is what the thou shall not murder means.
00:51:22.000It doesn't mean, as Charlie rightly points out in his distinction, thou shall not kill.
00:51:27.000And so there are extreme circumstances that justify it.
00:51:30.000There were, in the Levitical law, you had to have multiple witnesses and things of that nature before we had things like forensics thousands of years ago that we have today.
00:51:38.000So, if anything, I think it ought to be expanded to crimes.
00:51:41.000I think rape ought to be a capital crime.
00:51:43.000I think severe sexual traumas inflicted upon children as well ought to be capital crimes.
00:51:51.000I'm the son of a former prosecutor who put, I believe, three men on death row.
00:52:22.000So many of us sort of got a little bit psyoped, I feel, where people will go, it's like, oh, you oppose abortion, but you support the death penalty.
00:52:41.000Rapists and murderers, and people who will routinely go back and commit crimes again and again and again, which we do see in our modern day society, that in itself is not a pro life perspective to take by allowing these people to continue attacking others.
00:52:55.000And the thing that shaped my perspective to, I think, favoring it is just that what we've seen is in a society that doesn't have the death penalty at all, they pretty quickly start having, lacking any moral confidence in anything.
00:53:13.000We start not imprisoning them for that long.
00:53:16.000We start, in some cases, not imprisoning them at all.
00:53:19.000There's like a total, there's a society that doesn't think any crimes exist that can merit death.
00:53:26.000It seems like it's a society that doesn't believe in itself.
00:53:28.000Well, in this, you see this with Lindsey Clancy, where it's total moral inversion.
00:53:33.000I've become convinced, by the way, I said this on Thought Crime last night, that there is an op, whether it's foreign or domestic, to take these true crime trends.
00:53:43.000That are fraying the social fabric and then pour gasoline on them, amplify them.
00:54:27.000So, yeah, the input that I had, and this is kind of goes to the mode of the death penalty, which primarily is lethal injection.
00:54:34.000And you got a lot of the anti death penalty.
00:54:37.000They're saying, oh, it's not humane, it's not effective.
00:54:41.000And I was in the medical field for 30 years.
00:54:43.000Talked daily with anesthesiologists, and they were like, you know, if they want someone to co do the death penalty lethal injection humanely and effectively, just hire an anesthesiologist because we do this every, you know, every day, many times a day, putting people to sleep.
00:54:59.000You know, we can give them the right cocktail to, you know, take them out.
00:55:05.000Heard from Andrea Burkhart earlier, if you were watching Hour One, where she basically says, like, Utah, if they can't get the drugs that are for lethal injection, because they've tried to choke them off.
00:55:15.000Yeah, this is the thing the left does.
00:55:17.000Yeah, so they try and make it so you can't get the death penalty drugs, the cocktail.
00:55:21.000So that's why states like Utah have firing squad as a backup.
00:55:25.000If you want an interesting fact, I know at least in some places that have assisted suicide, the assisted suicide cocktail is basically just lethal injection drugs.
00:58:07.000And it was all run by this 21 year old guy named Rahil Prakash, who, as they put out a statement saying, it was a short term experiment, social experiment, to examine how fake polling could enter and spread through the information ecosystem without independent verification.
00:58:25.000This guy, he told The Guardian yesterday, I wanted to see if fake polls could really penetrate the ecosystem that easily.
00:59:05.000Well, it's important to have shows like you guys where you can get access to the proprietary polling that is done by people who do this for a living and have to show results so they can get jobs cycle to cycle.
00:59:17.000Because what's happening publicly, I mean, you mentioned the betting markets and how much they're manipulated by polling.
00:59:22.000I mean, the betting markets in the Iowa primary had Randy Feenstra at 86%.
00:59:26.000I even called, we can't bet on politics in Iowa.
00:59:29.000So I called some people I know out of state.
00:59:54.000And so Emerson's really been one of the best public pollsters of the Trump era.
00:59:58.000And yet they have been way off as well in these primary polls with these openly socialist candidates, way oversampling how much El Said was going to win by, way oversampling.
01:00:08.000that Hong, how, that Hong was going to win it all and by double digits.
01:00:11.000And so there's, there's clearly a glitch in the matrix, even with, with an Emerson who's been a pretty reliable public pollster here.
01:00:18.000And, and I think ultimately, look, I would urge our audiences to look at gas prices.
01:00:24.000The, the party in power never wins when prices are really high and has a great chance to win when the, and retain power when prices are really low.
01:00:32.000So I would trust stuff like that more than I would trust polling.
01:00:35.000But the biggest problem with the polling guys is a lot of times we decide our Overton windows of what we can even discuss by what the polls say.
01:00:42.000It's a little bit like if you bet on a sports game and the game didn't happen, but all the ESPN analysts said you were going to lose.
01:00:48.000So this sports book was like, well, you lose.
01:00:50.000You're like, well, the game didn't happen yet, right?
01:00:52.000We bet on opinions and not on elections.
01:00:55.000And so the amount that this stuff impacts the actual arguments we even get to see at all is profound.
01:01:01.000And I do think it's time for some kind of fraudulent accountability here for sure.
01:01:06.000Now, well, what I was going to say too, Andrew, and I kind of have a different take on this, when I saw this, and I'm glad that, you know, our caller is bringing this up and she's asking about this because I thought the same thing too.
01:01:16.000I think that it's really sinister that these polls were put out specifically to make socialists look like they were going to win their polls.
01:01:22.000And I think that this was a really interesting push to see if we could get the average person to think that socialism was exactly a way more normalized and accepted thing.
01:01:32.000And obviously, we are seeing DSA start to gain popularity across America.
01:01:36.000So I kind of took an alternate angle with it.
01:01:38.000And it's like, okay, not only do we know if our polls are real or not, but now we are also seeing fraudulent polling being utilized to push socialism as the norm now.
01:01:47.000Yeah, well, so there's a lot of pieces that go into this.
01:01:52.000As for what you can do, and this will probably emphasize the importance of having a long term track record of just being a pollster.
01:01:59.000Like whether Emerson's polls are accurate or not, they are at least probably not outright faking the poll because they will be around this cycle, they will be around next cycle.
01:02:09.000They have to care about their credibility.
01:02:11.000But you probably should worry about a brand new startup company that's just putting out polls.
01:02:16.000And if you've never heard of them, and I know.
01:02:19.000People like to dunk on Nate Silver sometimes, but actually, one of the reasons he's not a bad guy to follow is he does care about the long term track record of pollster.
01:02:26.000You can use him to check which guys have been around a long time, which guys have a better reputation.
01:02:32.000He cares about who's accurate this election, next election.
01:02:35.000It's not bad to necessarily look to that as a way to avoid getting bamboozled, but definitely there are push polls, we'll call them, or rigged polls.
01:02:45.000Lots of organizations commission polls to make socialism look more popular than it is.
01:02:49.000To make abortion look more popular than abortion.
01:02:52.000I'm curious your POV on why specifically have so many oversampled DSA?
01:02:57.000Why specifically are they getting a better shake here?
01:03:00.000Well, I think there's maybe a spiritual answer here that I think Savannah's kind of alluding to of something sinister.
01:03:06.000If we're going to just put it in the material world, you know, if I had to guess, a lot of pollsters, I mean, people aren't picking up phones to answer pollsters anymore or hanging up as soon as they see one.
01:03:16.000And a lot of the results, YouGov was kind of the first mainstream pollster to go pretty much exclusively online.
01:03:22.000And I think that a lot of this is being done online.
01:03:25.000And I think you're probably going to get an oversample, particularly in a primary where the electorate is low turnout on both sides.
01:03:31.000Just one outlier sample can throw off an entire estimate of what you think is going to occur.
01:03:37.000And especially if you're doing it online, where I think you see more rabid and open socialism among the left online than you even do in real life.
01:05:07.000It is given by a God who loves you and wants to spend eternity with you.
01:05:11.000I want to be remembered for courage for my faith.
01:05:14.000The most important thing is my faith in my life.
01:05:20.000So, Turning Point USA will hold the Freedom Built to Last memorial on September 10th, 2026, at UCCU Center on the campus of Utah Valley University, marking one year since we lost Charlie.
01:05:34.000The gathering will honor Charlie as a faith filled husband, father, and defender of free speech with a memorial.
01:05:40.000That serves, as I said, as a deliberate act of remembrance and a call for students and supporters to continue his life's work.
01:05:47.000And by the way, this event is going to punctuate an entire week of commemoration.
01:05:52.000Simultaneously, TPUSA Faith is leading a nationwide initiative inviting Christians of every denomination and tradition to honor Charlie's mission to make heaven crowded by inviting a friend or family member to church beginning on September 13th and throughout the month of September.
01:06:10.000I'll always be doing that, by the way.
01:06:20.000So we've got Glenn Beck is going to be there, Frank Turek, Andrew Seifer, who is our chief field officer at TPUSA, and Caleb Chilcutt, who is the chapter president of our Turning Point chapter there when Charlie was assassinated.
01:06:34.000Now he's our Utah representative for the college department there.
01:07:56.000I think we have Josh as our next question.
01:07:58.000Josh, unmute yourself, and what's your question?
01:08:02.000Yeah, I was just commenting more on the pro life and pro death penalty statement earlier, where I think it was R.C. Sproul or D. James Kennedy once said that you can be pro life protecting the innocent lives of babies and pro death penalty for taking the life of those that are guilty of condemned of murder.
01:08:37.000And I know that neither, well, their arguments, they don't contradict being a born again Christian, pro life, and pro death penalty.
01:08:44.000So neither one of them contradicts any one of them.
01:08:47.000Yeah, I mean, you can have one view or the other on it.
01:08:50.000I think there's arguments both for and against it, whether practically or morally.
01:08:54.000But if you concede too hard that it's unacceptable, certainly from the Catholic perspective, I would say, like St. Augustine, he says executions are a valid.
01:09:04.000Tool of the state or act of the state, Senator, I say, Senator, St. Thomas Aquinas, same thing.
01:09:09.000Like, long history of Christian thinkers being able to distinguish what the state does, what it does to protect people, enforce the law, preserve, you know, protect, you know, the citizenry, and what an individual does.
01:09:23.000Because we're not supposed to forgive our enemies, we're supposed to forgive those who persecute us, we're not supposed to seek revenge.
01:10:00.000My question is a couple of weeks ago, Trump signed some.
01:10:07.000EOS's about birthright citizenship, and I was just wondering how long it'll take before that gets decided.
01:10:16.000I know it's going to be a long process, but I'm just wondering if we have any idea how long it's going to take.
01:10:22.000Well, yeah, so to bring everybody up to speed, he did sign some EOS on the birthright citizenship after the Supreme Court struck down the original EO based on 14th Amendment reasons, which they got completely wrong.
01:10:36.000It's supposed to be more narrowly tailored.
01:10:38.000And a response based on the Supreme Court's ruling.
01:11:11.000So if you're on a boat sailing through our waters, no, you don't get birthright.
01:11:15.000It's trying to pretty liberally define who a foreign government ambassador is to include.
01:11:21.000Anyone who's employed at an embassy, for example, not just the ambassador themselves.
01:11:25.000So it's just trying to set a pretty broad standard.
01:11:28.000Some of these, it might be they'll get challenged only when there's a specific case.
01:11:32.000The original EO was so broad that it immediately got challenged, but we might only see some of these get pressured when there's specifically maybe an employee at an embassy has a kid and then tries to claim their anchor baby is a citizen.
01:11:56.000And the Supreme Court, if it gets struck down at the circuit court level and they appeal it, the Supreme Court could say, hey, we already ruled on it.
01:12:01.000We're going to send it back down to the circuit.
01:12:07.000Well, I mean, to me, the key phrase, and I know you guys educated your audience on this, but the original attack against that amendment is that it would end up doing exactly what it ended up doing.
01:12:17.000And Jacob Howard, the Michigan senator who helped craft that amendment, He said in his own testimony during the confirmation battle that no, I mean, the key phrase here is a subject of the jurisdiction thereof, right?
01:12:30.000And so it was written to stop Southern states from saying, well, hey, these blacks are not Americans, therefore they don't actually deserve constitutional rights.
01:12:38.000And so the argument was, well, no, they were brought here under the auspices of the United States government, and so therefore they're subject to the jurisdiction thereof.
01:12:45.000That's actually the key phrase in that entire lingo there.
01:12:48.000And you'll notice the court really didn't deal with it all that much and instead said, basically, anybody in the world at any potential point now is a potential American.
01:12:56.000That's essentially what the court said.
01:12:57.000Don't mind the fact that we didn't automatically make Native Americans citizens either because they were considered subject to the jurisdiction of tribal powers.
01:14:18.000So, yes, Jason, just to answer your question, we, man, by the way, just a couple weeks ago, we had a massive new hiring, especially on the Club America side, because there's been such an explosion of chapters.