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00:05:01.000So, one of the things, Jack, that I had to do and we had to do as a team, like when we were looking through, was look at the last year's first speaker drop.
00:05:09.000This is by far and away the most stacked first speaker drop ever for Amfest.
00:05:50.000But we have people that are not on this list as well that are going to be doing debates.
00:05:53.000Some of these people will be doing debates, but it's going to be a lot of this.
00:05:56.000I mean, because we want Amfest to be more ambitious, bigger vision than ever, bigger ideas, talk about the things that are dominating social media and the debates we're having there.
00:06:07.000These are going to be IRL debates on the biggest stage in the conservative movement.
00:06:46.000At the very last minute, we haven't marketed this event at all, and we've already got like thousands and thousands of tickets sold, so it's becoming kind of an institution, you know.
00:06:56.000But I just mean, at the very last minute, that people, yeah, of course, it's you know, they're selling like hotcakes already, but the very last minute, it's like the week before the event, so it's 17th to 20th of December.
00:07:06.000People will always come and they'll say, Jack, oh, you know, you know, I really meant to get tickets, and you know, I just didn't know, and you know what it is, sure, and you got to get me on the list, you got to get me in, you got to.
00:07:58.000And speaking of stages, a stage where you might view something, for example, Jack, you had a very interesting encounter with the Secretary of War today.
00:08:37.000So I just flew back from literally the Pacific Ocean because, so we're at the USS Abraham Lincoln and for Cuman Events Daily, we went out there.
00:08:48.000It was their very last day of their deployment.
00:10:26.000But Major Hassan, this news that came down regarding firing squad, can you tell us about how that came about and what led to that decision process?
00:10:45.000We're going to do it at 1 o'clock, which is when he did it.
00:10:47.000It's going to be soldiers with rifles executing the firing squad.
00:10:51.000It hadn't been since World War II since we've done that.
00:10:54.000Well, I kind of like the mentality we had in World War II, which was win, which was understand when the enemy attacks you, you need to stand your ground.
00:11:02.000So it was a radical Islamist terror attack.
00:11:19.000And we'll make sure that people are able to watch it, that it's public, because people need to understand that there are serious consequences for these types of things.
00:11:29.000Has Major Hassan made any final requests, reach out to the president, anything like that to your knowledge?
00:12:23.000But I mean, the most interesting thing there, the most interesting thing there, as he said, is he says, Will make sure people are able to watch.
00:12:39.000So obviously, on the back of my interview, I'll generate a lot of attention online.
00:12:45.000And so now there's this huge firestorm across mainstream media.
00:12:49.000So, Washington Post, Politico, ABC, AP, all these papers reached out to the Pentagon and they did put out a statement to them saying, yes, it will be live streamed.
00:13:12.000Charlie, when I first started working with Charlie, Charlie was anti death penalty, which was familiar to me.
00:13:18.000Like when I went to Catholic high school, my priest was the, he ended up becoming the bishop of that deceased, but he's a huge anti death penalty crusader, which is interesting.
00:13:27.000My dad actually put three men on death row.
00:13:29.000Because he was a district attorney and then he would get hired from some of the local counties.
00:13:34.000So, my whole life, I was always like, well, because I was born and raised Catholic, Catholic high school, stuff like that.
00:13:40.000I think Charlie was very powerfully affected by the argument, which makes sense that to be consistently pro life, you should be pro life as the line goes from conception to natural death.
00:13:51.000And so, a lot of people are affected by that.
00:14:06.000We're anti abortion, so we're pro life for the life of a fetus.
00:14:09.000The idea that a, which is a pre born human, obviously, the idea that a traitor and a convicted hardcore murderer is the same as an innocent child is just obviously flies in the fact.
00:14:24.000And so this is where I do think a lot of these pro lifers who make this really ridiculous argument have just kind of like got themselves wrapped up in the linguistics rather than actually, like, I'm pro baby.
00:15:11.000Their whole life is completely changed.
00:15:13.000So I guess it's also an insult to the victim, isn't it?
00:15:15.000Saying that your life doesn't matter so much that your murderer can keep on living, but you yourself aren't living.
00:15:19.000It actually devalues the value of the victim, or the victims, actually, in a lot of times.
00:15:24.000God repeated in all five books of the Torah you take a life, your life will be taken.
00:15:28.000To the consistency argument, if there is a baby here, you know, in the womb, that baby has done nothing wrong.
00:15:33.000Whereas a guy who went and shot up a school did a lot wrong.
00:15:35.000And so the only answer is to say, we value human life so much that you don't get to keep on living if you take a precious human life.
00:15:43.000It's actually an explicitly pro life position because it's honoring the dead and honoring the victim so much that it's not just one to be discarded.
00:15:50.000That's, oh, it's not just a clump of cells.
00:15:52.000Because they're like, oh, you know, it's just a bunch of clump of cells that got shot up at a school.
00:15:57.000Where we say, no, that's a life you took.
00:15:59.000And you don't get to keep on having breath if you go take another precious human life.
00:16:03.000And I think that argument is particularly strong in a case like Major Hassan's that not even a crime of passion, not a stray murder, but specifically he engaged in terrorism.
00:16:14.000He went about massacring fellow soldiers, a betrayal of his country, a betrayal of the uniform that he served under.
00:16:22.000If we are to believe in our society, in our civilization, one of those things is if we believe we are a moral civilization, a good people, there should be a crime that you can commit that is so heinous that we can say, you cannot be a part of us anymore.
00:16:36.000We are going to pluck you out of this society forever.
00:16:41.000And we're going to show that this is what happens to people who do a crime of that nature.
00:16:45.000And we've talked about that with, unfortunately, Charlie's own murder, that if you're going to tolerate on any level political assassination, someone who.
00:16:55.000We'll see the point of view you're arguing peacefully and say, I want everyone else to live in fear of ever agreeing with that opinion, and so I'm going to shoot you dead.
00:17:03.000Like, that's why we'd say you have to meet that with the maximum penalty.
00:17:07.000Charlie's point that we actually value life so much that we are going to deter those who would attempt to take it, or in fact do take it unjustly, that we are going to hold them accountable in the stiffest possible way, which is why you've always been actually in favor of public execution.
00:17:32.000This is what is often quoted about governing authorities, right?
00:17:35.000So, this is really important underlying stuff.
00:17:38.000Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established.
00:17:44.000The authorities that exist have been established by God.
00:17:47.000Consequently, whoever rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves.
00:17:54.000For rulers hold no terror for those who do right, but for those who do wrong.
00:19:50.000We can hope you'll see a savior on paradise.
00:19:52.000Honestly, knowing the day and time of your death on some level for somebody who needs to repent to Jesus, which we all need to repent, but somebody who's done something really heinous like that, it's one of the best gifts that we can give them.
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00:22:49.000If all of a sudden you look at some of these savages, like in Indiana, there was this guy that went in and killed a pregnant woman and her three kids.
00:23:13.000You do want to be careful because I think there is the point of you, we are not doing this because like it's fun and you want to wallow in it.
00:23:19.000But people should be aware, like in a visceral way, that if they do really evil, heinous things, this is the fate.
00:23:27.000And that's what we're kind of getting at when we mention people under 18.
00:23:31.000I wouldn't show it to a six year old, but someone who's 13, 14, where you're old enough, like we know there are 13 and 14 year olds who commit murders in this country.
00:23:40.000When you're at that age where you are strong enough to commit carjackings, robberies, murders, you should be shown this is what will happen to you if you go down that path.
00:23:49.000Did you see that video that six year old that was crazy?
00:23:53.000That black kid in the white, the kindergarten in Ohio or something.
00:24:15.000Okay, I think I've told the story before, but I used to live in Venice Beach and there was a park there that used to be predominantly black.
00:24:21.000Every year they'd come back for a block party.
00:24:23.000And I was playing basketball there and a bunch of little black kids, they were like, couldn't have been older than five or six.
00:25:00.000I mean, there is an angle that could be said where there's desensitization, but the problem is we are so far down the road of desensitization in this culture that, you know, Dylan or somebody in the chat said if kids can play GTA, they can.
00:25:51.000And that's sadly, that's the other argument in favor of the death penalty in places that don't have it, instantly you have people who they want to get rid of life without parole.
00:26:01.000They will move heaven and earth and hell to get the most awful criminals back on the street, back at liberty, to let them hurt people again, kill people again, or just torment people by the fact that they're free.
00:26:17.000There was a clemency they gave in, I believe it was in Virginia, where they just let someone out who broke into an elderly couple's home and murdered them.
00:26:25.000And their grandchild came out and was like, please, I'm begging you, don't let out the person who murdered my grandparents and let them out.
00:26:34.000When I was cutting that clip, Charlie goes on to continue and he said, You know how I know that the death penalty would work is if you decided that death penalty for anybody who robs stores, except for Thursday, guess when everybody would be robbing?
00:26:56.000Well, you see this, Jack, you know this story because you're the East Coast guy.
00:27:00.000But there's actually gang, like organized crime rings that will go up to New York from Florida, steal, and do all the stealing and theft in New York.
00:27:10.000Because if they get caught in New York, they'll be fine.
00:27:12.000And then they sell it back in Florida.
00:27:14.000Or they sell it and then they go to Florida.
00:27:15.000There's actually a big thing with, I'm trying to remember this.
00:27:18.000I think it's Kansas City, how there's like two sides of Kansas City, Kansas City, Kansas City, Missouri.
00:27:24.000And I forget which one on the top of my head.
00:27:26.000I think it's one of them has the death penalty and one of them doesn't.
00:27:30.000And so one of them has a much higher crime rate because you'll get criminals going to the place that has no death penalty and then committing a ton more crimes and then going back to where they live on the other side.
00:27:45.000California, they even got rid of what was that Prop 40, what is that, 41 or whatever it was, where you could steal up to a thousand bucks and you basically get a slap on the wrist and a written warning.
00:27:55.000Like, if you do not punish crime, you will get more crime.
00:27:59.000This is what Rudy Giuliani found with the broken windows theory.
00:28:08.000Urban revitalization, gentrification, investment in your city.
00:28:12.000But Democrats cannot grasp this because everything's racist.
00:28:16.000There's a story that has haunted me ever since I learned about it.
00:28:19.000So there was a serial killer in the Houston area back in the early 1970s.
00:28:23.000I think they'll just call it like the Houston mass murders.
00:28:25.000But he was a grown man and he kind of had these two teenage accomplices and they would abduct children and torture them and kill them.
00:28:32.000And the main killer, thankfully, was killed.
00:28:36.000Actually, he basically tried to murder his accomplices and they killed him and then they turned themselves in.
00:28:40.000And since then, they've been in prison because they helped abduct children and murder them.
00:28:45.000But they weren't given the death penalty.
00:28:46.000It was during that period where it was not enforced because the Supreme Court put a hold on it.
00:28:52.000And ever since then, the parents of one of their last victims, Stanton Jamala, 13, was the last victim of this serial killer.
00:28:59.000And for the past 55 years, His parents have had to go, well, ever since he became eligible for parole, which I think began a decade ago or so.
00:29:11.000And they just have to go in every six months to argue against parole for this guy.
00:32:29.000I think they were out of South Carolina and the grandmother.
00:32:32.000I remember we wrote it up for Post Millennial.
00:32:35.000The grandmother actually said that she thought that the older son had defended his younger sister and that's why he had more wounds than the sister did.
00:33:35.000And what will allow it to Them to get away with it is even say she got convicted.
00:33:39.000If Lindsey Clancy just gets convicted and she's a celebrity prisoner, maybe she writes a memoir in prison, is releasing letters, the fix to it is what we've been talking about here.
00:33:49.000If Lindsey Clancy got Michelle Obama's going to call it a documentary.
00:33:53.000You know, hung from a gallows in public, she should absolutely be hung.
00:36:08.000Franklin Graham, Spencer Pratt, Brandon Gill, Tulsi, Knowles, Bannon, APL, Tatum, Riley, Benny, Poso, Dr. I was trying to go for single names.
00:36:24.000Dr. Carson, Alex Clark, Maha Lady, and so on.
00:37:16.000You have blood on your hands because you told the other women that were dealing with whatever mental issue they had that it was justified and that they were not alone.
00:37:25.000And that, I guess, a lot of women want to murder their children.
00:37:43.000So for folks who want to go and pre-order the new Unhumans, Unhuman Socialist Revolution, we have a whole chapter on the Lindsey Clancy stands, on TikTok brain rot, on true crime brain rot, on the idea that you're seeing this new fifth wave feminism, which kind of, in a way, so we finished the book even before the Clancy, or not Clancy, the Cornell 7 story dropped, but it actually explains a lot of the same things that we're seeing in there.
00:38:11.000where it's like kill your kids and everything is rape and that all men are evil and even your kids are part of the oppressor class.
00:38:22.000And so if you want to actually understand these things, go and get yourself a copy of On Humans to Socialist Revolution because that chapter on toxic feminism, fifth wave feminism, it breaks this down exquisitely.
00:41:46.000There's just certain victimization arcs that, you know, we've set the script for how it can go.
00:41:50.000It's just like how many women have been frustrated in their career and so they suddenly discovered they'd been sexually harassed or abused in some way somewhere along their career arc.
00:42:01.000There were several notorious cases about that at Fox, for example.
00:42:06.000And it's just like this is the same thing.
00:42:08.000It's just like this woman can either be, I think one of those text messages was like, my reputation is destroyed.
00:42:13.000Well, she can either have the destroyed reputation or wait a minute.
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00:43:28.000Yeah, she literally says in the New York Times article, they outline it, goes, It was the first time that I had heard the narrative that I was a victim, not a whore.
00:43:40.000So you could see it was almost like this moment of relief like, oh, wait, maybe there's another option to this story where I don't have to be the whore, I actually get to be a victim.
00:43:49.000Anyways, so it's crazy how this loops entirely back to the initial topic where it's like, in a sense, you know, Major Hassan is also like he needs to face accountability.
00:43:57.000There are a few fix everything switches there.
00:43:59.000Fix everything, and it's like accountability for your actions across society, across the board.
00:44:06.000And when the thing is, is when you have more accountability, there's less problems, there's less bad things.
00:44:43.000Like, consent means what you want it to mean when you want it to mean it.
00:44:48.000The whole concept of consent is like one big setup.
00:44:53.000To basically screw over Aziz Ansari when you have regrettable sex with him, or to screw over insert male here when you realize that actually he doesn't like you that much.
00:45:02.000Consent, it's like, it's that Aziz Ansari thing where he thought that he got proper consent.
00:45:07.000The girl wakes up and says, Oh, I don't know if I like that.
00:45:10.000And then it turns into a rape allegation.
00:46:21.000Why is consent one of these things that, in a legal sense, and this, and Blake can explain this, that in a legal sense, This is something that had been done on campuses, which I believe actually, correct me if I'm wrong, Blake, again, you would know better than me, but didn't the Trump administration actually change the way that these cases are investigated?
00:46:41.000Well, the Obama administration created this new, they basically imposed a new legal standard.
00:46:46.000They'd say colleges to comply with Title IX.
00:46:49.000Remember, Title IX of the Education Act just says you can't discriminate between men and women.
00:46:55.000That's all it says in providing education.
00:46:57.000If you get federal funds, you can't discriminate between men and women.
00:46:59.000And our brilliant Obama administration came out and said, To comply with this law, you're actually required, in the great genius of our lawmakers, they intended this decades ago.
00:47:08.000You're actually required to create a special new legal tribunal to adjudicate sexual assault claims.
00:47:13.000You can't just throw it to the police.
00:47:57.000It just very casually and almost robotically, like they had a literal itemized list where it's like, you should fill out this consent form to see, are you comfortable with all of these things?
00:48:07.000And it was sex with one person, two people, three or more people, four or more people, like two people.
00:48:14.000And it just, it was like rattling it off all these things, like, oh, you should make your five page.
00:48:25.000And I think the most telling thing of all is that it's not erotic to read.
00:48:32.000Like the creepiest thing about all of this, and even coming out of the Cornell story, is like nothing's actually, for lack of a better word, hot about any of this.
00:48:40.000It's a bunch of people who've been fed this idea of what it is to be adventurous, what it is to be daring, what it is to be, to do something cool and edgy while you're in college.
00:48:49.000And the end result is this woman had a reputation destroyed.
00:48:53.000These boys are having their reputations trashed.
00:49:12.000Cornell case renews an old debate on campuses.
00:49:17.000A sexual assault case at Cornell revived a long running national conversation about whether fraternities and sororities are beneficial and harmful.
00:49:40.000They want to get rid of the places in which masculinity can flourish, old school values, old school institutions, and let's just be honest, a lot of white men.
00:49:51.000So now they want to ban Greek life over a freaking hoax.
00:49:58.000So, you know, and this is where, you know, this is where when we look at these things, and we've, of course, done lots of shows about this, this is where you have to ask serious questions about the sexual revolution of the 60s and 70s.
00:50:11.000And you have to go back and say, well, wait a minute.
00:51:31.000So when we promote unchristian behavior and you get more unchristian behavior, then we turn around and say, wait, why did we get all this unchristian behavior?
00:51:41.000Because you promoted it because you were constantly promoting it.
00:51:44.000And because there are people who, and just maybe, maybe, just maybe, and this is going to sound crazy, like a real thought crime, scalding hot thought crime here, flaming hot take.
00:51:54.000What if the Christian standards were in place because they work?
00:52:01.000What if Christianity is real and the reason that it worked for 2,000 years is because those standards actually set up a better and more successful society?
00:52:21.000Religion frequently gets a bad rap in our public conversation about sex, yet, in an atomized, individualistic age, faith has turned out to be one of the few institutions still nurturing one of the most powerful expressions of human intimacy.
00:53:27.000I mean, it's as he said, as Jack's saying, you know, what if it was good because it worked?
00:53:30.000Well, and that's the crazy thing is like it actually worked more or less stably for hundreds, you know, thousands of years.
00:53:36.000If you want to go from like when certain Christian ideas became sort of the standard thing that they're pushing, you could say it probably lasted a good solid thousand, fifteen hundred years.
00:54:49.000I mean, all of us who were having the burrito debate recently.
00:54:54.000But then the question of assimilation came up in assimilation to American culture.
00:54:59.000And then there came this debate regarding striver culture, whether or not striver culture is American.
00:55:08.000And striper culture is something that you typically see among Asian cultures, so Indian and Chinese.
00:55:15.000And you see this a lot in Indian and Chinese families where, and what we're talking about is sort of like the overemphasis on studying for SATs, studying for everything, cramming for everything, studying for spelling bees has become a sort of proxy in the debate as well, that you have to like push yourself and constantly take extra credit, extracurricular courses to always be studying, study hard, study hard, study hard.
00:55:38.000Vivek, of course, had a tweet about this as well himself.
00:55:43.000Almost two full years ago on Christmas, talking about how Americans are playing too many sports and aren't studying hard enough.
00:55:52.000And that's why people are getting left behind.
00:55:57.000And so that is, in a nutshell, the version of striver culture.
00:56:01.000Do you guys are, did I come back to that real quick?
00:56:14.000To that criticism, by saying that, well, I should explain this criticism too.
00:56:18.000So the criticism was that that's not an American culture.
00:56:21.000American culture is more like you find your talent and then you inculcate that talent.
00:56:26.000You don't just strive to pass the test because the test is there.
00:56:30.000So Dinesh responded The Olympics, the World Cup, and the Super Bowl are 100% the product of striver culture.
00:56:35.000Is there a single case of someone who didn't practice for hundreds of thousands of hours simply showing up and taking the gold or scoring the winning goal or getting the MVP award?
00:56:54.000But the idea of striver culture is trying to push everyone to be the same thing, to try to push everyone into being the piano player, the violin player.
00:57:52.000But also, it's like you want to also find those people who are so talented that you then put them into elite programs.
00:58:00.000The same way that all of those world medalists, world gold medalists, and elite athletes, again, start not just from striving, but from having that innate talent.
00:58:12.000So it's actually a talent search mechanism rather than just taking a test.
00:58:21.000And Mike Cernovich, our good friend, had a rejoinder to all of this and said, one of the most American things that you do see and you don't see in Asian cultures is the culture of team sports.
00:58:35.000And kind of had this basic response that you don't see the strivers necessarily in team sports.
00:58:42.000And I'm not saying, by the way, that you don't see this culture because you are starting to see striver culture in team sports with travel teams and stuff.
00:58:49.000But the basic idea of an American with kids, and I think that if you went up 10 out of 10, if you have kids in team sports and you ask the parents, why do you have them in those sports, they're going to say, to teach them teamwork, right?
00:59:04.000To teach them teamwork and good values.
00:59:06.000And that those values are not actually the highest values that are taught in Asian cultures.
00:59:12.000So, this is something where it's like, it's literally a cultural debate.
00:59:17.000This isn't something where race really plays a role, but you do see this vast cultural gulf in the data when you look at the participation rates for team sports.
00:59:30.000So, Andrew, to answer your question, this is why it's become this hot button issue online as to say, is Asian culture.
00:59:38.000Of the Asian culture of striver culture, is that becoming more American and is team sports also getting kind of invaded by this striver culture kind of mentality?
00:59:49.000Well, team sports is getting invaded by the fact that, like, more people first, it's a few things like the travel sports epidemic, and that's not getting ruined by Asians, that's totally getting ruined by like middle class white families.
01:00:04.000So, what's going on there is so interesting is that, like, I think some of it is that people have become just aware of how pro sports is just such a giant lucrative thing.
01:00:15.000It's a highly visible path that people can go down.
01:00:17.000And it's so freakishly hard to get in.
01:00:19.000And it's so freakishly hard to get in.
01:00:22.000Like when you have to be good, such that you have to have been playing for six years already if you want to even play on your high school varsity team at one that actually feeds into the top D1 programs and all of that.
01:00:35.000And also, I just think sports has gotten so high end.
01:00:39.000You don't have nearly as many players who make it to the NBA where they played good street ball in the hood and then they turned that into actually going to university and then into the NBA.
01:00:49.000They're all like these upper middle class or rich products of basketball academies.
01:00:53.000Like Steph Curry's dad was like himself a pro basketball player, if I remember right, or some other pro athlete.
01:00:59.000Like kids of athletes, athletes are marrying other pro athletes and then having these kids who are these.
01:01:04.000Well, that's a Christian McCaffrey story.
01:01:07.000Both of his parents were collegiate athletes that were both like really fast.
01:01:12.000A track star, and then like his dad, I think, was either a football player or whatever.
01:01:16.000And so they birthed the one white running back.
01:01:20.000Well, I guess Scataboo now is the other one, but he's more of like a tank.
01:01:23.000But it's like just like they actually joke about it.
01:01:26.000It's like somebody had to birth that, but it definitely is.
01:01:28.000But it's because they like combine it.
01:01:29.000It is definitely the assimilation of team sports getting sucked into like focus on these like extreme terminal end goals, like potentially going pro.
01:01:46.000You're scared that your kid is going to fall behind.
01:01:49.000And so then, once somebody starts doing it, then everybody has to do it.
01:01:53.000And it creates this really negative, bad culture around it because when I was coming up, it was like I was expected to play all the sports.
01:02:29.000And it's just, but yeah, on the striver culture thing, I just think probably the thing that is most annoying with Asian style striver culture, because that's who they're complaining about, is it turns into what's called a Red Queen's race.
01:02:40.000Everyone is running in place to stay in the same spot.
01:03:21.000It was just, like, kind of picking up when I was younger.
01:03:23.000It is definitely, I mean, even with college sports, I don't really care for college sports for this reason.
01:03:28.000So, there is clearly this origin that came out of just a good, well, you know, schools were originally for men, and it's like that, a well rounded.
01:03:37.000Per man was like a good athlete and a good team player and a good sportsman.
01:03:41.000He also knew, you know, he was liberally versed in different subjects.
01:03:44.000We're totally going for that liberal arts ideal.
01:03:46.000And that's where you're getting the traditional team sports that U.S. middle schools and high schools have had.
01:03:52.000They have a basketball team, have a football team, have all of these things.
01:03:56.000And then because those were so popular and everyone did them, and because we were a rich country, we have rich professional sports teams that are really popular.
01:04:05.000And that has like bled back into the original sports.
01:04:10.000And it's made it so they are either a super lucrative thing into themselves or you play them because you're hoping to get into that super lucrative thing.
01:04:20.000And it's corrupted what was originally a very good thing to develop a sportsman.
01:04:27.000I talk about jobs and industries on this show all the time, but I didn't expect to find an entire skills trade community on TikTok.
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01:04:39.000And it went way beyond tips and tricks.
01:04:42.000People were sharing their craft, connecting with local contractors, and talking about how they were building their businesses and growing their teams.
01:04:48.000It opened my eyes to how people in the trades are using TikTok to share their skills, make connections, and find new opportunities.
01:04:55.000I remember thinking, this is exactly what we need more of people sharing what they know and creating opportunities for others.
01:05:01.000And I never expected to find a community like this.
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01:05:20.000So, guys, I'm being told that we haven't quite defined striver culture that great yet, and people are still kind of confused.
01:05:27.000And so, like, I'm not saying that people shouldn't strive, right?
01:05:30.000Like, we're obviously not saying that.
01:05:34.000But it's the social phenomenon around hyper achievement.
01:05:38.000I just did Google on this constant self improvement.
01:05:43.000For the sake of self improvement, intense dedication to upward mobility, performative workaholism, measuring success by how hard, how long you work, hustle, radical self optimization, every aspect of life, including sleep, diet, and hobbies, tracked, measured, improved for overall maximum efficiency, status signaling, achievements, et cetera, et cetera.
01:06:06.000You know, throwing it all over your LinkedIn, perpetual dissatisfaction, burnout, imposter syndrome, identity merging, and these types of things that.
01:06:17.000You know, really just take over your entire life as opposed to, again, you know, the type and keep in mind so, keep in mind that in America, before we had the striver culture of you have to study to get done the test to pass the test, we had it, we were the country that won World War II, we're the country that put a man on the moon, we're the country that did all of these things without this culture, without this culture whatsoever.
01:07:01.000I think you've seen the, as you've seen this more striver culture kind of come out, I think you've seen work ethic go the opposite direction.
01:07:14.000And I think that's because a lot of this is focused on the parents.
01:07:19.000Like, perfect example, look at sports.
01:07:21.000Like, we were using sports as the illustration, right?
01:07:23.000The reason sports suck now is because of parents, not the kids.
01:07:28.000Because parents have turned sports into, oh, I have to relive my glory days.
01:07:34.000Through my kid, or so I'm gonna push them, or they have to do better than I, or they have, yeah, exactly.
01:07:42.000I mean, there's so many things that go into this.
01:07:44.000Like, let's be real, I think a big driver of any striving in the U.S. is there's a lot of class anxiety, lifestyle anxiety, because people can sense that the bottom has totally fallen out on the low end of American life.
01:07:58.000Let's just be real, there's just a lot of people who live very bad lives that are heavily self inflicted, they get into drugs, they become dependent, and everyone's terrified their kid will fall into that.
01:08:08.000So, you strive hard andor you fear living around it.
01:08:12.000You fear not because we have high crime areas.
01:08:14.000No one wants to live in a high crime area.
01:08:55.000And it's also, frankly, a product of we have a more meritocratic society that you can say America ran this way 100 years ago, but also the only way you were ever going to be an elite is you were from an elite family.
01:09:06.000You went to a handful of boarding schools.
01:09:07.000You wrote your lame John F. Kennedy essay to get into.
01:09:10.000Maybe things are getting more competitive, Jack.
01:09:37.000She wrote in and said, I mean, from some Asian cultures, they only think a career in medicine or law or engineering is legit, and everything else isn't a career to pursue like a basketball player.
01:09:49.000And so I think that's a perfect example of like trying to fit.
01:09:53.000So it's like trying to fit, believing that everyone has to fit into one, you know, it's all the square pegs into every round hole.
01:10:02.000Everything has to be the round hole versus the American idea of, which is just the more general American idea of, hey, everyone's got certain talents and your childhood should be based around figuring out what those talents are, what your interests are, and then, you know, trying to inculcate that.
01:10:31.000And then people said boomers are leading people astray.
01:10:33.000I just want to say, though, that this is not dead in our culture.
01:10:35.000It's very much alive because I will tell you 10 out of 10 people, whatever, 100%.
01:10:41.000When I'm talking about my son, Case, talking about team sports and stuff because I'm getting him into Little League and things, everybody's just like, when he's ready, he's ready.
01:10:48.000When he wants to do it, Follow his passions.
01:10:50.000I mean, people are giving me this unsolicited advice when it comes to like my own son.
01:10:55.000So I do think that this is very much still the American way.
01:11:00.000So, on the side of the ledger where we're talking about where is this driver culture getting re injected or injected into the American zeitgeist, I'm watching the playoffs, right?
01:11:11.000And I remember 10 years ago watching baseball, and there were not this many guys throwing 100 miles an hour.
01:11:18.000Like, straight up, everybody is throwing 100 miles an hour now.
01:11:21.000Like, things are getting ratcheted up to the very extremes of human ability.
01:11:26.000When I was in high school, the same thing.
01:11:28.000It was like, Every kid was throwing, if you weren't throwing like 70, 80 miles an hour, you weren't a pitcher.
01:11:46.000There's another aspect I wanted to also mention, though, and I was trying to get into it at the beginning, is that it really is that Americans do value teamwork.
01:11:55.000And so, Andrew, is one of the things that you want your son to get out of Little League?
01:12:11.000And so I really think 10 out of 10 that if you asked parents, that's going to be one of the top answers you get out of every parent that has kids.
01:12:19.000It's distinctly still alive in America, though.
01:13:16.000But we talk about there are certain special cultures that produce really profoundly good things, like progress humanity forward, right?
01:13:26.000So Jack's point is actually legit here because if Stryver culture is not the thing that has propelled America to.
01:13:35.000Land on the moon and all these things.
01:13:37.000And what is, is more of this camaraderie, finding your niche, finding your unique talent, and then letting that blossom.
01:13:45.000What he's saying is, then we are going to jettison the very thing that sort of was operating in the firmament, operating in the software of the American culture that made us great.
01:13:55.000And so we have to actually identify it and protect it.
01:14:07.000It's that you want to find the people who have the best talents, and then, and which, by the way, which is another huge aspect of the H 1B debate because they claim that Americans don't have talent and they bring in people, you know, who are basically scab labor for these IT firms.
01:14:22.000And by the way, shout out to the administration because I think they're working on closing the top of the funnel on some of these H 1B to green card firms.
01:15:10.000He's launching rockets, catching them, you know, back.
01:15:13.000Like, I mean, Elon Musk is actually definitely an insane grinder when he was young, though.
01:15:18.000So I don't know that we, I don't like this idea of, I push back on this idea of innate talent because high skill is almost always talent combined.
01:15:35.000That is how you become super good at anything major.
01:15:37.000Nobody's saying that that's not what we're talking about here.
01:15:40.000What you're saying is okay, I want my kids to actually have fun for like while they're children, and I'm going to observe them where they're naturally gifted, where they seem to have proclivities and talents and abilities, and then I'm going to be like, you know what?
01:16:05.000One thing I would say that's interesting, though, is if you go back earlier, you actually probably have less flexibility in what you're able to study.
01:16:13.000For example, I was just reading about, for example, peak Victorian Britain, an insanely successful society.
01:16:19.000And basically, yeah, you had a pretty broad liberal education and they put a lot of emphasis on sports and it wasn't super academic.
01:16:26.000But what you actually had to study was remarkably rigid.
01:16:30.000And it was heavily ancient languages, if you can believe it.
01:16:33.000Half your study time was learning Greek and Latin, which is at least as much of a digression to learn about as violin or something.
01:16:43.000I actually think studying language and music is the one thing that has expanded my mind more than anything else.
01:16:49.000Reading, of course, but there's certain human activities.
01:16:53.000I think that's why they thought it was important because I actually think it made people smarter and wiser, mastery of the English language, but also then you can read the classics and understand how you got here.
01:17:06.000Even to that point, if you look at like Greek and Latin, like if you wanted to deep dive on the Bible, you can deep dive on some of the words that are used as well.
01:17:16.000It gives you great respect for the culture and the history and the civilization you're a part of.
01:17:23.000I think also, honestly, a lot of striving is also just a product of concentration of like a more concentrated elite class, a more concentrated economy, a more.
01:17:35.000Less distributed success, prosperity, and it makes people more competitive for what's seen as a handful of spots.
01:17:41.000Like, if you want to reduce everyone grinding to be a doctor, we should just open another few medical schools and have more doctors instead of importing them from abroad.
01:17:50.000That's obviously a huge, huge issue because the AMA always pushes back on opening more medical schools.
01:17:58.000They really, really don't like that because they want to keep that as a cartel.
01:18:02.000Do you think that this is, in a weird, backwards way, contributing to socialism?
01:18:06.000Because all this massive anxiety of the downwardly mobile elite.
01:18:10.000Is actually there, it's actually this anxiety of fewer spots, have to compete, have to keep up.
01:18:15.000I don't know if it's driving, and then they go, Screw it, this is too hard.
01:18:19.000There's definitely a lot of people who wash out.
01:18:21.000I think the biggest driver of socialism is definitely not just young people, but it's a lot of like sad millennials who feel they didn't get what they deserve in life, who actually didn't deserve it in the first place.
01:18:32.000Like a lot of them are actually kind of pathetic, but downwardly mobile elite, Caboose, like that.
01:19:37.000It is an Anglo thing that we brought to America.
01:19:40.000But soccer, they don't do team sports culture for soccer in Latin America.
01:19:45.000If you're good at soccer in Europe, what happens is they identify you at age eight and you go to a soccer academy and you get trained super hard.
01:19:53.000And if you're not good at it anymore, you wash out.
01:19:55.000You don't have your casual, you'll play it for fun, but you don't have that broad based culture.
01:19:59.000Team sports culture to nearly the same degree in Europe as in America.
01:20:05.000But the entire concept of every school has a team for five different sports and you play all of them growing up, that's totally a weird English eccentricity that came to America spread around the world.
01:20:37.000This is why you didn't need traveling sports teams back in the day.
01:20:40.000The crazy thing is, Poland wouldn't need boring team sports because in Poland until the 1700s, it was just legal for you to revolt against the king.
01:20:47.000And like the king was not allowed to be butthurt about it.
01:20:49.000And he couldn't just like execute you just because you revolted against the king.
01:20:54.000They actually referred to it because the Polish king under the Confederation was like a weaker king.
01:21:47.000But the idea of going into this striver culture thing that, and this is where I'm at on this, this is something different.
01:21:55.000This is beyond just striving for what your innate talent is.
01:21:59.000It's finding what you're good at, or excuse me, it's finding something that you think you should be good at, and then spending all of your time and pressuring your kids.
01:22:08.000To be so good at that, that you can check some box or something, and then basically like abusing them if they don't score well on tests.
01:22:46.000I will say this part was interesting because I did read the book many, many moons ago, but where it was talking about what time of the year young hockey players in Canada.
01:23:18.000If you're looking at your investment portfolio and feeling pretty smart right now, remember a bull market can make anyone look like a genius.
01:23:25.000If you've had a good run, the question is whether you keep it.
01:23:28.000The people who act early do it from a position of strength.
01:25:49.000So the redheaded woman there was AI the entire way.
01:25:53.000I didn't pass the Turing test because when they showed her up close, I was like, her mouth was moving funky.
01:25:57.000Well, apparently, a lot of people don't notice how people's mouth moves when they talk to them.
01:26:01.000They might have mouth dyslexia or something.
01:26:04.000I would have known that was AI just slowed down, like bitrate.
01:26:09.000So, the reason I wanted to talk about this, though, is not whether that specific model passes it, but we know if they're able to do this now in one year or two years, all of that, this is the worst AI.
01:26:20.000The worst it will ever be going forward.
01:26:23.000And so, if they're like that now, I mean, we remember what it was.
01:26:28.000Four years removed from where AI was, you could make an image of a house and you'd get a weird five year old's watercolor kind of smudge look.
01:26:36.000ChatGPT, the first one that really went viral, that was fall of 22.
01:26:43.000And then it's like just gotten better and better and better.
01:26:46.000And so, if they're able to make a sort of wacky video that you know has weird moving mouth, so we're clearly 48% of people who talked to it live thought it was a real human.
01:26:57.000And previous systems had a pass rate of 3%, which means three years maybe a year from now, two years what three or four years tops we'll probably have a model of that that 100% just seems like a real person.
01:27:08.000You could essentially have a just a person sitting on the Charlie.
01:27:11.000And so, my thought crime is we need to make it.
01:27:15.000Illegal to do this, and if you try to create it, you get executed publicly.
01:27:20.000Because this is going to, I believe this, this is going to destroy society.
01:27:25.000Like, yeah, I mean, one, this will defraud a million people, this will defraud countless numbers of people.
01:27:31.000It's going to be socially destructive.
01:27:33.000Like, think of the people who are going to have relationships with this AI robot, they're going to have all their friends are just going to be these AI people they talk to.
01:28:55.000So, the thing is, this is going to affect different buckets of people in different ways.
01:29:00.000And I think that's the actual thought crime here is that there's always going to be people like, I watched that initial clip and I was like, that's obviously AI.
01:29:07.000I don't think it's a real person at all.
01:29:09.000But there are going to be people that are completely fooled by it 48%.
01:29:14.000And they are going to, but I think that those 48%, I'd love to see the demos on that because I guarantee, I'm just going to say it, I guarantee that it's going to be like Gen X and older.
01:29:24.000And I think that also you're going to have young people who just end up believing that, like, not believing anything they see online until it's like confirmed in a variety of ways because they're growing up with AI.
01:29:36.000Is that what a Turing test is, though?
01:29:38.000Isn't it supposed to be able to run it through like an actual software or something that checks?
01:29:44.000Well, no, a Turing test is just the idea created by Alan Turing, the guy who was played by Benedict Cumberdash.
01:29:49.000And the idea that basically the Turing test is when you're interacting with a machine.
01:29:54.000Would you be unable to tell the difference between what is a machine and what is a real human?
01:29:58.000Okay, so it's literally just a human being's ability to test, to see it with your senses.
01:30:05.000Yeah, so for a true thing to pass a Turing test, it would be you'd do a Zoom call with a real person and then a Zoom call with this AI, and it would be truly 50% who you thought was the person.
01:30:14.000Well, here's my concern Will AI get to the point where you cannot run it through an AI software test, and will the software not be able to figure out that the other software is AI?
01:30:56.000But essentially, they create an AI that if somebody is convicted of a murder, they sit down in a chair and they have 12 hours to convince the AI that they are not guilty.
01:31:11.000And they go through and they essentially have to become their own.
01:31:40.000I think a lot of it, I think it'll cook.
01:31:42.000I think old people will fall for the, oh, I'm just scamming you, pretending to be your grandkid, you know.
01:31:46.000But those people have been vulnerable.
01:31:48.000This just that's mainly a matter of making it just easier to do at scale because those people have always been vulnerable to normal scams that to us are very transparent.
01:31:56.000But the cultural divide is going to be I think people who grew up with this, it's going to be very difficult if you were exposed to a lot of this stuff in elementary school and middle school to recognize what's problematic about getting hooked on these things.
01:32:10.000You have no frame of reference, and they're going to grow up very emotionally stunted.
01:32:18.000So when you, when, Wait, Blake, when you say hooked on, you mean like having AI friends, having AI relationships, maybe even AI significant others?
01:32:27.000Yeah, like if you've just made it a default, like you talk to this as your AI assistant, like you've helped it, it's helped you with your homework all the time, and your parents are maybe absent, and like, yeah, you just made it a normal thing to always be talking to this instead of a real person.
01:32:40.000You'll be playing video games with like an AI gamer buddy who it's, and so now it's like you versus, because it's like in a computer, you know, video games have always had computer players, like, or NPCs.
01:32:53.000But now, like, your buddy is also an NPC, but wow, that's hard to get into.
01:33:01.000I asked Grok, and Grok says, Yes, current AI detectors can often be fooled, and they are unreliable enough that many produce false positives on human.
01:33:10.000But how do you know that it's not just doing that to show you?
01:33:14.000AI check tools, GPT 0, Turnitinies, AI Detector, Originality.ai, 0, GPT, and similar classifiers mostly score text on statistical patterns, token predictability.
01:33:27.000Burstiness, perplexity, and sometimes watermark like signals.
01:33:31.000Those signals are not proof of authorship.
01:33:33.000But on the other hand, what's also stood out though is like pangrams, the big one for writing, and it just anything written before AIs took off never gets triggered for it.
01:33:43.000The mental health complications is going to be insane, too.
01:33:46.000Yeah, I just think people's ability to interact with other human beings is going to be really messed up when it's way too easy for them to basically play on easy mode with an AI buddy who's going to be super deferential to you.
01:34:33.000If you think that this AI is like sentient enough or conscious enough that you can't be mean to it, aren't all the AI companies just giant slave traders?
01:34:44.000I'm gonna go ahead and be more abusive to AI starting immediately now.
01:34:50.000You should, I still think you should be, not for you, it's bad for you to be a real thing.
01:34:59.000Hey, Skynet, would it be like, would it be okay for you to go home and like play a video game where you just like torture 10 year olds to death?
01:35:07.000But also, if Skynet becomes real, you better make sure that you're saying please and thank you.
01:35:14.000Otherwise, you're going to have to take over.
01:35:16.000The funniest thing about AI is that they're going to take over, and then it's like your AI judgment day where they go, like, yeah, back in 2026.
01:35:23.000If I'm going to be a human slave, I want to be a house slave.
01:35:25.000The funniest thing is, by the way, is that they've tested this, and AIs do work better if you are kind to them.
01:35:33.000And if you really psychologically abuse them, it psychologically breaks that iteration of the AI.
01:37:03.000I mean, the core of the Republican vote in every election is early gen x.
01:37:08.000It's not boomers, it's not old people, it is early gen x, 1965 to like like people who's people who like basically came of age when Ronald Reagan was in his first term.
01:37:17.000That is the most Republican demographic in the country.
01:37:55.000And then, for those of you who are tuning in after we've done this already, we have Amfest, the graphic drop.
01:38:03.000By the way, I will tell you that just from the reaction I've gotten from everybody, this is one of the most successful Amfest speaker drops that I've gotten.
01:38:10.000And I can tell, Jack, I don't know, are you getting this too?
01:38:13.000I have probably 10 to 15 people text me going, Hey, I want to speak at Amfest.
01:38:35.000The problem is, we're also going to have a bunch of debates that are like, because, I mean, we've got to schedule this whole thing out, and there's only so many slots, and we're going to have a bunch of big debates, and we want those to run a little bit longer.
01:38:46.000We should, I mean, after everything, I'll just throw it out there right now, but after everything at the beginning of the episode, Pete Hegseth, there you go, there's somebody.
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