The Charlie Kirk Show - November 07, 2026


THOUGHTCRIME Ep. 149 — Can 2026 Please End? Anakin Memes? California Throuples?

Say No To Neocons + AMA 285 Hold Firm and Fight On: Charlie after the 2022 Midterms

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00:01:41.000 Ladies and gentlemen, welcome aboard Human Events.
00:01:46.000 Today's edition of Thought Crime Thursday.
00:01:48.000 I didn't realize we were going to be playing the Nirvana Anakin meme to start everything off, but I think that's kind of where we are.
00:01:58.000 And for anyone who has no idea what the Anakin meme or the Anakin Skywalker meme is all about, we are set to explain it here on the show.
00:02:07.000 And of course, we'll be going through all things related to.
00:02:12.000 The midterms and the historic, historic loss for the Republicans, but perhaps, perhaps a loss that creates some opportunity at the same time.
00:02:25.000 We're not going to dwell on it all night, but we do have to address it a little bit up front.
00:02:29.000 And help me do that, of course, where you're joined by the great Andrew Colvett and Blake Deff.
00:02:34.000 What's up, guys?
00:02:35.000 What's up, Pozo?
00:02:36.000 You know, I have you to thank for me even knowing about the Anakin memes.
00:02:40.000 You don't know what Anakin Skywalker is?
00:02:43.000 No, I just didn't realize the memes were happening.
00:02:46.000 And then you shared them with me, and I was like, oh, I get why these are catchy.
00:02:51.000 Yeah, I really get why I share them with everyone.
00:02:55.000 Yeah.
00:02:56.000 Go ahead, Blake.
00:02:57.000 Yeah, they're kind of funny.
00:02:58.000 I don't know.
00:02:59.000 I think they capture something deep.
00:03:01.000 Like a good meme, really.
00:03:03.000 It's kind of like a good meme is like a good joke where it hits at something pretty profoundly true, which is what makes it funnier, which is what makes it more resonant.
00:03:12.000 And what's interesting is people's reaction to it because.
00:03:16.000 You know, they're saying, but Anakin is the bad guy.
00:03:18.000 And it's like, well, no, actually, Anakin, before he went to the dark side, was the good guy.
00:03:23.000 He was getting incredibly frustrated about stuff.
00:03:26.000 Some of it right, some of it wrong.
00:03:28.000 His ultimate decision to vote Democrat was not the right call, but his anger was justified.
00:03:35.000 Yeah, no, so that there's, and we'll explain that as we go through.
00:03:39.000 And like, that's, and yeah, for people who say that, it's like you totally don't understand what the point of the meme is whatsoever.
00:03:44.000 Yeah.
00:03:45.000 And, um, You know, but looking into it, like, I do think that one of the big things that here on Thought Crime we certainly have to address, and I threw this tweet up.
00:03:54.000 Andrew, I was thinking to you when I posted it is, hey guys, maybe the price of burritos actually did matter after all, because I sure remember a whole lot of people telling us and telling you specifically, Andrew, that it didn't matter at all.
00:04:08.000 You would have thought that I betrayed the Republic by mentioning that burritos were too expensive.
00:04:15.000 You know, like, people were really mad at me.
00:04:18.000 They like, and all I said.
00:04:21.000 I said, you know, let me share an anecdote.
00:04:24.000 The kids that we talked to just feel like, you know, a burrito shouldn't cost $20.
00:04:29.000 Like it would be political malfeasance to not acknowledge the fact that there is felt need out there.
00:04:36.000 Man, all the comments.
00:04:37.000 They need to pick themselves up by their own bootstraps and cook at home.
00:04:40.000 And, you know, Joel Berry.
00:04:42.000 Just put some more beans in there.
00:04:43.000 Just put some more beans in there.
00:04:44.000 Yeah, that was the funniest thing.
00:04:46.000 Joel Berry, who told me, I guess he quote tweeted me or whatever.
00:04:51.000 And he said, well, my wife fed the whole family for $20.
00:04:54.000 And, you know, he's got like a big family.
00:04:56.000 And I was like, wait, what kind of meat?
00:04:58.000 And I remember I replayed back, I was like, what kind of meat did you give your family?
00:05:02.000 And he's like, well, we make the meat stretch with beans.
00:05:05.000 And I was like, oh, okay.
00:05:06.000 All right.
00:05:07.000 That's a great argument.
00:05:08.000 That's really, yeah.
00:05:09.000 How'd that argument work out?
00:05:10.000 I know.
00:05:10.000 How'd that argument work out on Tuesday?
00:05:12.000 And by the way, it's not that I don't find credence in the fact that young people probably do too much, you know, was it DoorDash and things like that. 0.88
00:05:21.000 Of course, like you can eat cheaply and you should try to and you should try to live within your means. 0.51
00:05:26.000 But this is America, man.
00:05:27.000 We dream big.
00:05:28.000 If we want to, we want to insta-cart.
00:05:30.000 But, Andrew, what folks like that and the neocons and so many people, what they all missed was that we weren't specifically, and you weren't specifically, and the person you talked to specifically weren't just talking about burritos.
00:05:45.000 You were talking about the cost of food.
00:05:46.000 It was a totem for a larger issue.
00:05:46.000 Exactly.
00:05:48.000 Yeah, it was a totem for a larger issue.
00:05:49.000 And it became the stand in for so many other things that were going on.
00:05:54.000 And many of the same things, by the way, that we all said in 2024 about Joe Biden, and many of the same things that we ran on.
00:06:04.000 And when you brought that up from a right wing perspective, or I think the week after that is when I went off on Kevin O'Leary for his Rolex worship and started another firestorm, I was just kind of making the broader point that this is driving young, number one, driving young people away.
00:06:26.000 Number two, driving young people into the arms, in many cases, into the arms of the left.
00:06:32.000 And number three, if we don't do anything about this, just like Charlie warned us, We are going to get a socialist revolution.
00:06:40.000 And boy, oh boy, did we get one on election night.
00:06:44.000 And so, you know, I was thinking about these results and I was going back over some of the stuff that we've talked about here on Thought Crime.
00:06:49.000 And I was like, man, we really did actually address these issues.
00:06:53.000 And in every single instance of it, we were told to shut up.
00:06:56.000 We were told we were wrong.
00:06:58.000 We were told, you know, how dare you say things like that.
00:07:01.000 And then, boom, there's this huge, massive forest fire on Tuesday.
00:07:07.000 Yeah.
00:07:07.000 You know what's interesting, though?
00:07:08.000 And you made this observation.
00:07:10.000 The first on our election stream.
00:07:12.000 And I think it's like 83% accurate, actually.
00:07:17.000 Because when I say what you said, obviously you could disagree with it and poke holes in it.
00:07:22.000 But directionally, there's something profound, I think, about it.
00:07:24.000 And you said America First didn't get it, it wasn't a rebuke of America First.
00:07:31.000 It was actually a reinforcement of it, it was an affirmation of it.
00:07:35.000 And we see this on a conservative side, too, because, Blake, you know the stats better than I do.
00:07:40.000 The bills and the propositions that passed.
00:07:43.000 A lot of those passed.
00:07:44.000 They're not on our best topics.
00:07:46.000 There's some voter ID stuff that passed. 1.00
00:07:48.000 Which is great. 0.99
00:07:49.000 Immigration, women's sports. 0.96
00:07:51.000 That stuff passed.
00:07:51.000 But I just think the biggest thing is that if you look at the pro life polls, they ask you how much do these different issues matter?
00:08:00.000 And if you said immigration mattered a lot, and you can take that either way, you could say, I care a lot about immigration because I'm pro amnesty or whatever.
00:08:07.000 But we overwhelmingly won those people.
00:08:09.000 Yes.
00:08:09.000 Overwhelmingly won people who cared a lot about immigration, even within the narrow subset of like.
00:08:14.000 Hispanic voters who tilted back to the left, they were more likely to say immigration mattered, but not really in any dominant way at all.
00:08:21.000 It's like 50% said it was a big deal. 0.82
00:08:22.000 Well, but they still like law and order.
00:08:24.000 You know what I mean? 0.94
00:08:26.000 And we won on the immigration question.
00:08:28.000 And Blake, so that was actually something that I remember when we were doing the simulcast with Piers and you and him got into it and you defended yourself aptly, but we didn't have all the data in yet.
00:08:39.000 It was still in process.
00:08:41.000 And I'd love to have a round two of that to point out.
00:08:44.000 And I saw Elon posted it.
00:08:46.000 I was posting it.
00:08:46.000 This graph that came out that says, Of all the voters' top issues, you know, Republicans lost on Iran.
00:08:53.000 They lost on cost of living.
00:08:55.000 They lost on public corruption, which I think is kind of a stand in for a number of these things, accountability.
00:08:59.000 But the one top issue that Republicans won on by 15 points, D plus 15, was immigration.
00:09:06.000 Yeah.
00:09:07.000 No, and this is why Brandon Gill did so well in Texas.
00:09:10.000 What does he talk about?
00:09:11.000 He talks about immigration. 0.99
00:09:12.000 He talks about Americans are sick of getting ripped off by foreigners. 0.53
00:09:15.000 In a district that Tallarico carried. 0.85
00:09:16.000 Yeah.
00:09:17.000 I don't think Tallarico carried.
00:09:17.000 Well, I don't know.
00:09:20.000 His district, or it was like the counties.
00:09:22.000 That went viral.
00:09:23.000 It's a little misleading because it was like the counties, and Gill's district doesn't include Denton, which is a little bluer.
00:09:29.000 Right.
00:09:29.000 And so he did clearly outrun Paxton, but not as dramatically as some people were saying he did it by 30 points or something.
00:09:36.000 Yeah, I think he outran it by like 11 points.
00:09:38.000 Something like that.
00:09:39.000 Yeah, which is still super impressive.
00:09:41.000 Huge.
00:09:41.000 Huge.
00:09:42.000 And it just goes to show it's like.
00:09:44.000 Make him the majority.
00:09:45.000 He make him the GOP leader.
00:09:46.000 Something.
00:09:48.000 Yeah, let's just get.
00:09:50.000 This is an endorsement. 0.96
00:09:52.000 This election was an endorsement of basically do good things and don't do stupid things. 0.99
00:09:58.000 And I think if we just don't do stupid things, we're actually in a great spot. 0.99
00:10:01.000 It would be much worse if this was like if you had the Bush level wipeout. 0.98
00:10:05.000 The Bush wipeout in 2006 and 2008 was really bad in part because it was a total repudiation of the policies that George W. Bush was doing.
00:10:14.000 Because Bush really 100% owned the Iraq war to an insane degree, like ran, you know, basically kind of ran on it in 2004 and it went south.
00:10:22.000 It became diabolical.
00:10:23.000 And it was awful.
00:10:25.000 And he was like running, he was trying to privatize Social Security.
00:10:28.000 Would have been a good idea if he had, by the way.
00:10:30.000 But nevertheless, Hugely unpopular, wasn't trusted.
00:10:34.000 And on top of that, like his economic management, he basically led to the Great Recession.
00:10:39.000 He basically triggered the Great Recession because he was encouraging all the behaviors that led to it reckless lending. 0.88
00:10:45.000 He had this whole, we'll win the Hispanic vote by massive, like lower mortgage standards so that more of them own homes. 0.80
00:10:51.000 And all those mortgages went south and blew up in our face.
00:10:53.000 So it was like a total repudiation of everything he did.
00:10:55.000 And he was also doing amnesty type stuff.
00:10:58.000 All of that, that was bad, got destroyed.
00:11:00.000 And it took us a decade to recover from it.
00:11:02.000 Here, we have the opportunity if we recognize now.
00:11:05.000 We got blown up because people said you ran on this in 2024 and you did not do it, and I am angry.
00:11:11.000 Yeah, and you got Mark Tiessen out here, by the way.
00:11:15.000 Still, this is crazy.
00:11:17.000 Mark Tiessen, he has a new op ed.
00:11:20.000 I didn't have the team pull this because I don't think they knew I was going to go here, but it says, This is what he says.
00:11:25.000 If JD Vance cannot bring himself to say that Trump made the right decision to disarm Iran, he has no business seeking the GOP nomination to succeed him.
00:11:35.000 If Vance can't endorse Trump's national security policy, Trump Should not endorse him.
00:11:43.000 Like, how?
00:11:45.000 How is this a real op ed after what we.
00:11:48.000 And after, did he not read the Maggie Haberman, Jonathan Swan, Shane Gold?
00:11:52.000 It was Shane, right?
00:11:54.000 There were three op eds.
00:11:56.000 But the point is, did he not read it where they literally chart the whole of this year, starting in February and March, watching the polling slowly get farther and farther apart?
00:11:56.000 Whatever it was.
00:12:11.000 And why?
00:12:12.000 They knew it.
00:12:13.000 They knew it was the Iran war.
00:12:14.000 And they knew it because as soon as they brought through the MOU, the MOU had a 70 30, it was a plus 40 polling.
00:12:21.000 It pulled plus 40.
00:12:23.000 And 67% of people thought it would lower gas prices.
00:12:27.000 Trump's own numbers got a bump there.
00:12:29.000 JD's numbers got a bump there.
00:12:31.000 So they knew that everything was about Iran.
00:12:34.000 And like the fact that we're still even like having a conversation about this is crazy.
00:12:39.000 I was asked today on Will Cain's show.
00:12:42.000 The piece was weird, though.
00:12:45.000 Yeah, there's probably some weird pieces in it.
00:12:47.000 But I was asked today on Will Kane Show what happened with young men.
00:12:49.000 And I was like, well, we lost the credibility fight because we pitched them no new wars and economic prosperity.
00:12:58.000 And instead, we got a war in Iran, tariffs, and then everything downstream of that, higher gas prices.
00:13:04.000 That's where the credibility was dropped.
00:13:06.000 But to Blake's point, all of these are betrayals of our own policies that are actually really popular.
00:13:14.000 You know what I mean?
00:13:15.000 So it's all self inflicted, which means if you can build up credibility, if you can tell young men, please, we hear you.
00:13:23.000 I'm sorry, what JD did, mea culpa.
00:13:26.000 I told you so.
00:13:27.000 You were right.
00:13:28.000 If you can build that credibility up, our ideas and our policies, I believe, are still winning and are winning electorally.
00:13:36.000 What pains me, what does pain me, and what will be a struggle, and it's why I think we need a strong reaction to this, because we're talking about what we should do now, is that it's a little different from merely a policy error.
00:13:48.000 It's that they feel, with the No New Wars thing, embarrassed and lied to and like totally misled.
00:13:56.000 And it was even worse. 0.96
00:13:58.000 It was that it came within this angle of, Wow, there was that old GOP and they cheerleaded all these wars, but Trump is the guy who finally has the credibility that he's the Republican who's not going to fall for the dumb new war zop. 0.98
00:14:10.000 And then he fell for a dumb new war zop. 0.95
00:14:12.000 And they're going to think, wow, fell for it a second time. 0.99
00:14:16.000 They're never going to get me a third time.
00:14:17.000 It could take, I'll be honest, a decade plus before you have someone with the credibility to push against it.
00:14:23.000 Go ahead, Jag.
00:14:23.000 Yeah.
00:14:24.000 That's interesting.
00:14:25.000 I hope you're not wrong.
00:14:26.000 So there were a few, there certainly were a few weird things about that.
00:14:32.000 One of which was that they talked about how they were like taking credit for shutting down immigration enforcement, at least visibly in the beginning and part of the year.
00:14:42.000 And yet we know from the polling, like I just said, immigration enforcement was the main thing that we won on.
00:14:49.000 And so I just, I don't really know how to square that with what we see in the polling on that one.
00:14:55.000 And then the second part was it's like, guys, if you know that this is the main issue.
00:15:02.000 You know, you need to tell somebody or you need to run some ads on it.
00:15:05.000 And they did not do that.
00:15:08.000 That was not what was done from MAGA Inc.
00:15:11.000 And the ads were certainly didn't speak to any of those things.
00:15:14.000 So, you know, that really gives a lot of head scratching as to where the money was spent.
00:15:20.000 Yeah.
00:15:20.000 I mean, listen, I think if, okay, just to play devil's advocate with the immigration thing, I think what the, and this was true, we were getting clobbered on immigration during Renee Good and Alex Pretty.
00:15:31.000 That, Effectively, it was spun by the left wing media apparatus and Democrats as, like, oh, they're going through the streets, kamikaze missions, killing Americans.
00:15:43.000 They've gone too far. 0.94
00:15:44.000 They're reckless cowboys, untrained. 0.90
00:15:46.000 You know what's crazy?
00:15:47.000 I think that if, even if we were getting hammered on that, I was just talking to someone who had the interesting thought let's say the administration maybe, maybe all they did is they made them take the masks off or something, but they otherwise just said, we're still doing maximum hard immigration enforcement everywhere.
00:16:02.000 That might have been a better outcome for the midterms, even if that proved unpopular.
00:16:05.000 Is it?
00:16:06.000 Well, not credibility.
00:16:06.000 Credibility.
00:16:07.000 It's because you make everyone respond to what everyone's talking about.
00:16:12.000 Because you make everyone respond to the referendum on the border.
00:16:15.000 You make it the referendum on the border, and we don't lose that as bad as we lose on affordability.
00:16:19.000 That is what I said from day one.
00:16:21.000 That if you, this is the way that you make this front and center, that you fight on the battlefield that you choose. 0.50
00:16:29.000 You fight on, don't let them choose the battlefield.
00:16:31.000 You choose the battlefield. 0.54
00:16:32.000 So if you want to make the fight about immigration, then you have to be doing things about that visibly.
00:16:38.000 to put that front of mind and to make that center focus.
00:16:42.000 And notice I said visible operations.
00:16:45.000 I didn't say all enforcement because I don't agree with people who say that there isn't any enforcement because obviously we've seen that.
00:16:50.000 But when you took away the optics of it, and you could change the optics, you could do a number of things, sure, fine.
00:16:56.000 But the point is when they took away the visibility that removed it from the spectrum of, this is fourth generation, fifth generation warfare, okay?
00:17:06.000 So you have to understand that optics do play a part.
00:17:09.000 It left that front of mind where it was for so many people.
00:17:12.000 And by the way, remember the crazy protesters that were out there?
00:17:17.000 And even though, as we know, it led to those incidents, which were horrific, we didn't see the crazies out from the left.
00:17:25.000 And that's, again, a reminder of who these people are and who just got voted for.
00:17:30.000 Yeah, well, I do think that from a polling standpoint, we probably did lose.
00:17:35.000 It started to become a losing issue, just at least for a while.
00:17:40.000 You know, a guy who took a lot of incoming and I actually had a lot of belief in was Secretary Mullen.
00:17:45.000 I actually thought that, you know, he's going to, he's not grassroots in the sense that he understands how the base intuitively feels about this stuff, but he's directionally right enough.
00:17:55.000 And he's a hard worker, he brings a lot of energy, and he's gonna be good at working with people.
00:18:00.000 And I actually believe the key to getting the numbers up is getting more and more jurisdictions to work with the admin to get more deportations. 1.00
00:18:07.000 And the one thing that I will say, though, is we should definitely go harder and we should cut off the financial systems for the illegals. 0.98
00:18:17.000 If you do that, then you will absolutely, and you make a couple of really big examples, like high profile examples of businesses that are running a lot of illegal immigrant labor. 1.00
00:18:29.000 You don't have to get them all, but you basically put the fear of God into all of them. 0.76
00:18:33.000 You will get self deportations out the yin yang. 0.92
00:18:36.000 That will accelerate. 0.79
00:18:39.000 I have been pushing internally from day one to up the number of self deportations.
00:18:44.000 And there have been times where I hear back, oh, well, we're going to offer them more money to get on the flight.
00:18:51.000 No, that's what I'm talking about. 0.91
00:18:52.000 Make it harder for illegals to stay in America. 1.00
00:18:56.000 Debank the illegals. 1.00
00:18:58.000 Debank the illegals. 0.99
00:18:59.000 Put tariffs on. 1.00
00:19:01.000 Any of the remittances that are going to these countries and do everything you can that you can't allow them to get access to housing, to get access to education, all of these different things that allow the illegals to stay in America. 0.97
00:19:14.000 And by the way, I love the fact that finally just a few months ago, because there was this MOU, which is so crazy that there wasn't one already, between ICE and TSA, where now they're picking up people who are visa overstays when they're flying on domestic flights in between the country.
00:19:29.000 They weren't doing that before.
00:19:30.000 They literally were not checking people.
00:19:33.000 As they got on an airplane to see if they were an illegal or not.
00:19:36.000 That's how bad things were.
00:19:37.000 So there's so many things that you can do, just little tweaks like this, that make it very hard for illegals to stay in this country.
00:19:44.000 Yeah.
00:19:46.000 It's frustrating because a big part of it, we've always said, I think by far the easiest way to sell immigration enforcement is yeah, you arrest a few business owners running all illegal jobs.
00:19:55.000 And factories like this, farm operations.
00:19:55.000 And businesses.
00:19:58.000 And they'll almost certainly have something terrible. 0.98
00:19:59.000 If you are a farm that is relying on illegal migrant labor, that farm. 0.99
00:20:04.000 Sucks. 0.95
00:20:05.000 You'll probably have some other horrifying labor violation. 0.92
00:20:08.000 So you can frog march that business owner you arrested, and you can also have the profile like, oh, these guys were living in shacks with no AC and they had to work 12 hours a day.
00:20:19.000 It'll be horrible.
00:20:20.000 And you make the left defend this.
00:20:21.000 And yeah, you put the fear of God in them.
00:20:23.000 The problem is, I'm just worried we'll never see it.
00:20:26.000 We know how Donald Trump is.
00:20:27.000 He has a lot of friends in the building community, a lot of friends in the accommodations, in vacations, hospitality.
00:20:34.000 Yeah, that was the word I was going for.
00:20:36.000 You know what this reminds me of, though, is that. 0.95
00:20:38.000 Charlie clipped when he was at the Roofers convention.
00:20:41.000 And he basically goes around and he asks him.
00:20:44.000 That was pain.
00:20:45.000 That was pain.
00:20:46.000 Yeah.
00:20:47.000 And the guy asked him a question.
00:20:48.000 No, but his response was brilliant.
00:20:50.000 His response was absolutely brilliant.
00:20:52.000 Well, it was prescient and unfortunately really, really spot on where he said, Well, then I thought we could do this at least for a little while.
00:20:59.000 I thought we could actually enforce our immigration laws for a little while, but I guess we don't.
00:21:02.000 Yeah. 1.00
00:21:02.000 He's like, Apparently we don't want to save our country. 1.00
00:21:04.000 Yeah, apparently we don't want to save the country.
00:21:05.000 Ultimately, there's a lot of people who don't want to save the country.
00:21:08.000 He just told them off right to their faces.
00:21:10.000 Do Americans want to save their country?
00:21:12.000 Okay, got it.
00:21:13.000 Republicans love to talk a big game about like only a virtuous country will be successful, that we have to own our destiny.
00:21:20.000 And you sometimes have to look around and say, like, okay, are the Americans of today willing to make sacrifices to achieve things?
00:21:27.000 Well, exactly. 0.98
00:21:28.000 And the roofers at that convention were probably driving really nice cars, have really nice houses, and they were able to charge insurance companies a lot and up their margins by hiring illegals. 0.99
00:21:38.000 It's really frustrating. 1.00
00:21:39.000 You know, the other thing that's really interesting about this, I will say, And I know, Jack, you're going to have a lot of thoughts on this.
00:21:48.000 It's been interesting to see DeSantis kind of come out and he's sounding a lot of the right notes, you know.
00:21:55.000 But I really do think it's going to be interesting because I think there is a temptation in this moment right now to underestimate how much sway President Trump still has with the base, right?
00:22:07.000 You could argue he's been diminished by this election and all this stuff.
00:22:10.000 But there is a big chunk of the conservative movement that is going to be devoted to Trump until he's out of office.
00:22:16.000 And even then, right?
00:22:18.000 So, you've got to be very, very strategic about how you levy your criticisms of the admin and some of the decisions that have been made.
00:22:28.000 And so, it'll be interesting to watch that play out as it becomes increasingly clear that DeSantis has eyes on 28.
00:22:35.000 I think it's actually probably, arguably, a smarter way to go if you're JD, because he's proven that he can kind of message differently than President Trump, but he kind of still has.
00:22:49.000 He has his own messaging, but he's still doing it by saying, even President Trump agrees with me.
00:22:53.000 This is what the president said.
00:22:55.000 He's been supportive of the president.
00:22:57.000 So I think going through the admin and having the blessing of Trump is probably the easier route, actually.
00:23:02.000 But I will say it's just one of those fascinating dynamics to watch kind of that play out.
00:23:09.000 I don't know.
00:23:09.000 Well, if he's going to do it, he should at least be honest.
00:23:13.000 And that's what I was saying the other night when he started saying that, oh, yo, I've always been an Iran Roar critic, which is just not true. 0.95
00:23:19.000 He cheered it on. 0.97
00:23:20.000 And, you know, you can find the statements, you can find the clips, you can find all sorts of things.
00:23:25.000 It's just be honest, man.
00:23:26.000 Like, just be honest.
00:23:28.000 Like, just be honest with people.
00:23:29.000 We can find all the clips, we can find all the tweets.
00:23:31.000 I think he was critical of the MOU, too, if I'm not mistaken.
00:23:35.000 But listen.
00:23:36.000 He's critical of negotiations.
00:23:38.000 Yeah.
00:23:38.000 What's interesting, though, what he has going in his favor, to be fair both ways, is that the wave was what?
00:23:46.000 Like, don't let me overestimate it.
00:23:48.000 It was like 13 to 20 points, right?
00:23:51.000 For Democrats?
00:23:51.000 For Democrats, this wave.
00:23:53.000 They won the generic ballot about 13 points.
00:23:55.000 13 points, yeah.
00:23:56.000 In some places, though, it was like, in some places in Texas, it was more.
00:23:56.000 13 points, yeah.
00:23:58.000 In some places, more, because, yeah, in Texas, a bigger swing, because in places like Florida, less.
00:24:02.000 Yeah, all right.
00:24:03.000 And Mississippi was like probably pretty strong.
00:24:05.000 Oh, probably more than that, yeah.
00:24:06.000 Yeah.
00:24:06.000 So the point is, like, it was between, depending on where you were, 13 to 20 point swing.
00:24:14.000 In Florida, he successfully managed to blunt it some, right?
00:24:18.000 It was probably like an eight point swing, seven point swing.
00:24:21.000 APL told me that her district was like a seven point swing, but it didn't play.
00:24:26.000 And that was what I was worried about on election night.
00:24:28.000 I was like, well, if Florida is an indicator, like tonight is not going to be terrible, but Florida blunted the wave.
00:24:34.000 And he said something that I thought on Laura Ingram's show was so valid.
00:24:40.000 Like I was just like, that is a valid point.
00:24:42.000 And what he said was, we have more credibility here because of the way we've governed.
00:24:49.000 And I was like, you know what?
00:24:51.000 That's going to be your best card to play.
00:24:54.000 That Florida withstood the wave because you had more credibility because the state's been run well.
00:24:58.000 And it's hard to argue at that point because it is a well run state with low taxes, balanced budgets, and things just work.
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00:26:06.000 Well, true.
00:26:07.000 And demographically, he also reaped the benefit of so many people, so many conservatives fleeing to Florida during COVID.
00:26:14.000 So you had conservatives from.
00:26:16.000 He reaped that because he had the good state.
00:26:19.000 Yeah, yeah.
00:26:20.000 It's definitely both is true.
00:26:22.000 Both are true, right?
00:26:23.000 Yeah, so I mean, the state became much more red.
00:26:29.000 And that's going to be reflected in, hopefully, in the next census.
00:26:33.000 You know, we'll see.
00:26:34.000 That's obviously the next coming up.
00:26:37.000 That's why 2028.
00:26:38.000 So, like, my state, Pennsylvania is going to.
00:26:40.000 So, like, Pennsylvania is going to lose.
00:26:42.000 Like, this plays a huge role, I think, in some of the states because you've got states like my state of Pennsylvania, New York, others that became less red just by people voting with their feet and then moving south to places like Texas, like the Sun Belt, like Florida.
00:26:58.000 Now, obviously, this played, you know, this was not blunted in Texas, but that was for a lot of other structural issues.
00:27:07.000 And so you've got these areas now where we're going to be losing.
00:27:12.000 Electoral votes up north, and the entire Sun Belt is going to be gaining those electoral votes come 2030.
00:27:18.000 That's why holding the White House in 28 is so important because whoever's the president is going to be in charge of that census going into the 2032 election.
00:27:27.000 Well, Jack, none of this is making leftists any saner.
00:27:34.000 They are spiking the football, they are mocking Hassan Piker, saying we're going to jail you all.
00:27:42.000 And then right before we went on, this clip started going viral.
00:27:45.000 Should we play it?
00:27:46.000 Or should we just grab it?
00:27:47.000 No, I would skip it.
00:27:48.000 I would get too angry.
00:27:50.000 Basically, it's pretty bad.
00:27:54.000 I don't even want to reply to it.
00:27:56.000 I don't want it to reply to it because they would just get satisfaction from us being angry.
00:28:00.000 Fine.
00:28:01.000 That's my opinion.
00:28:03.000 They're saying terrible things about Charlie.
00:28:05.000 That's all they should say.
00:28:07.000 Infuriating.
00:28:09.000 Here's what we could do.
00:28:11.000 Here's what we could do because we promised people 30 minutes ago that we would do this.
00:28:16.000 And where we can tie this in is the question of young men.
00:28:20.000 And this has been the topic of so, and we said it on election night, and we need to bring it up again now that young men under, so the GOP lost every category under 65 in terms of age groups.
00:28:36.000 And everyone 45 and under, like either, and when people see the swing, right, they say, oh, they swung left, they swung left.
00:28:44.000 It's not just that, it's the participation rate, the turnout rate for young Republicans, specifically young Republican men, was so high.
00:28:53.000 And it was low because you had Republican Senate candidates and Republican governors coming out attacking young men, slandering them, saying that they're just a bunch of bums who live on welfare and sit at home and play video games. 0.58
00:29:07.000 And young men have been responding through something called the Anakin meme that we just referenced at the start of this.
00:29:16.000 Blake, do you want to explain the Vatican meme?
00:29:18.000 The Anakin meme.
00:29:20.000 Oh, boy.
00:29:21.000 So I'm not the right guy to explain it because I. I'm going to make you mad, Jack. 0.99
00:29:25.000 I think the Anakin meme is a little dumb. 0.96
00:29:29.000 We're not going to. 0.98
00:29:30.000 No, we're not.
00:29:30.000 We'll explain it.
00:29:31.000 So, the idea is basically obviously, even if the films weren't very good, the Star Wars prequels are by far the most powerful, mimetic, cultural object in existence.
00:29:42.000 You can watch those movies, they're all bad.
00:29:44.000 And yet, if you're a millennial or younger, everyone knows every line from the film.
00:29:50.000 I think the secret is they're bad, but they're bad movies in the most interesting possible way.
00:29:55.000 It's actually a lot like Donald Trump.
00:29:56.000 It's like if Donald Trump was making a movie.
00:29:57.000 You know how Donald Trump.
00:29:59.000 Endlessly spouts out like memorable lines and phrases because he's such a different person.
00:30:04.000 George Lucas is a different person.
00:30:05.000 And so he made this trilogy of films that have bizarre phrasings, you know, do you know the legend of Plagueis the Wise and all of that?
00:30:13.000 And so they live on forever.
00:30:15.000 And so people have finally realized Anakin Skywalker is implicitly right wing.
00:30:19.000 Or more to the point, all the old Star Wars movies are turbo boomer.
00:30:23.000 What's Luke Skywalker?
00:30:24.000 I think this is the genesis of it.
00:30:26.000 It's that Luke Skywalker is the prototypical boomer, a young man who's just handed new opportunities and he's like, Immediately gets to like take over an entire organization and like saves the galaxy.
00:30:37.000 Zero experience, handed an X-Wing, blows up the Death Star.
00:30:41.000 Anakin, they're like, You have the highest mid-chlorion count ever.
00:30:44.000 You're the most talented person to ever live.
00:30:47.000 He's born with insane superpowers.
00:30:48.000 And they're like, But you know, we're actually not allowed to go to Jedi University because we're doing affirmative action for kids who have lower mid-chlorion counts.
00:30:57.000 And we're not going to let you on the Jedi Council, even though you're our best fighter and our most talented Jedi guy.
00:31:02.000 And he finally says, And we're not going to help you save your wife.
00:31:04.000 Your wife's probably just going to die.
00:31:05.000 And he finally says, Screw everything. 0.88
00:31:07.000 Ah, and snaps.
00:31:09.000 And that is the origin of all Anakin memes, which are pretty funny.
00:31:12.000 I changed my mind.
00:31:13.000 They're funny.
00:31:13.000 Yeah.
00:31:14.000 I don't know if we're actually explaining it the best way, though.
00:31:16.000 It's like, it's basically so that, yes, in a longer sense, the shortest way to put it, I think, is that in the way that Anakin is incredibly talented, has all the stats off the charts, and then he goes to the Jedi Council and says, I would like, I've passed all your tests.
00:31:34.000 I have beaten everyone.
00:31:37.000 They say he has a higher, you know, Force power than even Yoda himself.
00:31:42.000 And then the Jedi Council says, You are not allowed because of DEI and all these other reasons.
00:31:48.000 And there's a lot of young men saying that this is reflective of the white male experience in America and particularly has resonance with millennials and Gen Z.
00:32:00.000 And a lot of the memes have come up because of this.
00:32:02.000 And specifically, they talk about how one of the things is that Anakin isn't allowed to get married, yet other people on the Jedi Council are allowed to get married.
00:32:10.000 And they say, Why?
00:32:11.000 And they say, Well, because. 0.93
00:32:12.000 He comes from an alien race that has a low fertility count, but you, Anakin, you're not allowed because you have white privilege. 0.75
00:32:19.000 Yeah. 0.89
00:32:19.000 All right. 0.89
00:32:20.000 So we have a clip of Hayden Christensen apparently saying he relates to Anakin.
00:32:20.000 Okay.
00:32:24.000 I don't know if this was the inspiration for it.
00:32:25.000 I haven't seen this yet, but stop for it.
00:32:28.000 I don't know.
00:32:29.000 I mean, in some ways, I feel even more connected to Anakin now than I ever have just because I'm older and, you know, I can sort of, you know, understand his struggles in a deeper way.
00:32:45.000 We need a system where the Politicians sit down and discuss the problem.
00:32:49.000 What's in the best interest of all the people, and then do it.
00:32:54.000 That's exactly what we do.
00:32:55.000 The trouble is that people don't always agree.
00:32:57.000 Well, then they should be made to.
00:33:00.000 By whom?
00:33:01.000 Who's gonna make them?
00:33:02.000 I don't know.
00:33:03.000 Someone.
00:33:03.000 You?
00:33:03.000 Of course not me.
00:33:05.000 But someone.
00:33:06.000 Someone wise.
00:33:08.000 Sounds an awful lot like a dictatorship to me.
00:33:13.000 Well, if it works.
00:33:21.000 Oh, yeah.
00:33:21.000 Yeah, I don't know if we need all the Vader hype real.
00:33:23.000 I'm just a spirit.
00:33:24.000 Okay.
00:33:25.000 So let's go to some of the memes. 0.99
00:33:27.000 So the idea is more, I think, focused on that the Jedi are this corrupt, soft, weak, old, pathetic republic that is forcing fake rules on all of society. 0.99
00:33:44.000 And that's why society has become so decadent and corrupt because they are decadent and corrupt. 0.98
00:33:50.000 And then Anakin comes along and is like, we need to.
00:33:54.000 We need to get rid of all this because everything's falling apart and we're like losing a war.
00:33:58.000 And they tell him, No, no, we have to keep following the rules.
00:34:02.000 And it just drives him insane.
00:34:03.000 Let's see.
00:34:05.000 Number five, Anakin, get a job at Panda Express.
00:34:09.000 Oh my gosh.
00:34:10.000 I love that these become a stand in.
00:34:12.000 Oh, this is your Anakin, please.
00:34:14.000 Why don't you just simply get a job at Panda Express manager?
00:34:18.000 Who was the Panda Express?
00:34:20.000 Rufo.
00:34:21.000 What's funny about it is, I know Jack beefs with Rufo about this, but actually, Rufo had a pretty good point with it.
00:34:26.000 He was just pointing out.
00:34:27.000 Like, guys, the economy is overall pretty solid because Panda Express is offering $100,000 for people to manage a place.
00:34:34.000 And, like, that's a pretty good sign for the economy.
00:34:36.000 How did that work out at the polls this week?
00:34:38.000 I mean, I don't know that that is true.
00:34:41.000 I don't think they ran on Panda Express.
00:34:43.000 But again, it is.
00:34:44.000 It's attitudinal.
00:34:45.000 No, but check.
00:34:46.000 I was like, no, I'm pushing back on it.
00:34:48.000 Attitudinal.
00:34:49.000 They didn't say go manage a Panda Express.
00:34:51.000 The message of it is if Panda Express is offering $100,000 for people to manage them, that is a strong sign that there's actually a shortage of people doing jobs in the economy.
00:35:02.000 That's what he was arguing.
00:35:03.000 Yeah, I actually just think it's more funny that all of the internet debates, like how apt this the meme is for them.
00:35:13.000 So it's like this is a debate.
00:35:14.000 Like people feel what's great about it.
00:35:16.000 What's the reason it really works?
00:35:17.000 I don't think it's about, I think that what it ultimately comes down to is the fact that Obi-Wan is like a good stand-in for kind of a like boomer con, for lack of a better term.
00:35:27.000 Yeah, so like I just love the one, like number six.
00:35:29.000 You can throw that up. 0.92
00:35:30.000 It's like Anakin, they came here legally, they will assimilate.
00:35:35.000 That's also nice.
00:35:37.000 And so on.
00:35:37.000 Yeah, not all of these.
00:35:38.000 But who came up with this?
00:35:41.000 Well, and it's Anakin's face in the response.
00:35:44.000 I think I had one that was also in that forum where it was like, Anakin, the court has ruled.
00:35:49.000 They are citizens.
00:35:50.000 They're just as American as you and I.
00:35:52.000 Yeah.
00:35:53.000 I mean, it just works great.
00:35:54.000 It's a great situation.
00:35:55.000 I mean, it's even like in the actual film, Obi Wan is like, my allegiance is to the Republic, to democracy, Anakin. 0.97
00:36:02.000 And it's like, it always feels very impotent because, like, the Republic sucks and it's filled with, like, Losers, and it's not very effective at the emperor. 0.98
00:36:11.000 Oh my gosh, this one is so rough. 0.99
00:36:15.000 It's just very easy to inject as Anakin, as like the supremely talented young white guy, that everything in American politics revolves around.
00:36:23.000 Wait, wait, we should read this one for the guys listening.
00:36:26.000 It's so it's Obi Wan.
00:36:28.000 This is right when he's like pleading with Anakin to return to the Republic, and they're about to have their big lightsaber fight in the volcano planet.
00:36:38.000 And he goes, Anakin. 0.97
00:36:39.000 I understand the anger you have towards the Sand People for killing your mother, but imagine how bland the food would be on Tatooine without them. 0.52
00:36:48.000 That's the Piers Morgan one. 0.98
00:36:50.000 And they do kill his mother in the movie.
00:36:52.000 Yeah, they do.
00:36:53.000 But the Sand People, I thought that was going into.
00:36:56.000 Yeah, no, no.
00:36:58.000 And Andrew, there's a whole thing.
00:36:59.000 And Blake, correct me if I'm wrong, because I'm going off of memory on this.
00:37:03.000 But isn't there a whole thing where he has a vision of his mother being killed and he tries to get the Jedi Council to do something about it and they tell him no?
00:37:11.000 No, that's just something other people bring up.
00:37:14.000 It's that, oh, I guess at the start, he's worried because his mom is still a slave on Tatooine and they never bothered to go back.
00:37:21.000 And get her.
00:37:22.000 Oh, right.
00:37:22.000 But he wanted to save his mom.
00:37:23.000 Like, that was part of the whole thing.
00:37:25.000 Yeah, because the Jedi were always trying to strip Anakin of his, like, fleshly appetites.
00:37:32.000 No, a lot of this is people adding stuff on.
00:37:34.000 No, it's not really.
00:37:35.000 Well, he's not allowed to get married, but.
00:37:37.000 Yeah, don't get married.
00:37:38.000 He's not allowed to get married.
00:37:39.000 Don't care about the county.
00:37:40.000 I mean, this will add it.
00:37:40.000 Yeah, but hold on.
00:37:41.000 Don't worry about being on the council.
00:37:42.000 Them not being allowed to get married is basically no different from, like, Catholic priests not allowed to get married.
00:37:46.000 That's what they're doing there.
00:37:47.000 But I don't know. 1.00
00:37:49.000 I guess what I'm going to say, because I think this will make it spicier. 1.00
00:37:52.000 I will say, guys. 1.00
00:37:53.000 Yeah, but there's nothing wrong with the originals, though.
00:37:55.000 In 2017, there were people who loved posting Star Wars memes all the time.
00:38:00.000 We're like, we're winning the culture war with these Star Wars memes.
00:38:03.000 And it was the left.
00:38:04.000 The left, they called themselves the resistance.
00:38:06.000 They were like, we're the resistance.
00:38:08.000 And I remember when Carrie Fisher died.
00:38:09.000 This is here.
00:38:10.000 This is special.
00:38:10.000 Carrie Fisher died, and they're like, we've got to win back the White House for Carrie, who's now our hero.
00:38:17.000 Everyone remembers how important Carrie Fisher was to America's identity. 0.98
00:38:20.000 She definitely wasn't like a coked out. 1.00
00:38:22.000 You know, druggy. 1.00
00:38:23.000 That's so soft and like.
00:38:24.000 And they did that with.
00:38:26.000 And like, what's funny is they did it with Harry Potter too.
00:38:28.000 Remember the libs would call themselves Dumbledore's Army?
00:38:30.000 Or it was libs in the bureaucracy in DC.
00:38:32.000 They called themselves Dumbledore's Army.
00:38:34.000 And we loved a joke, you know, read another book.
00:38:37.000 And now it's like, I think all of the memes of this past fall were Star Wars memes and like that Malphoid thing where they would take Draco Malphoid and make him a girl.
00:38:45.000 And I guess that was a right wing meme.
00:38:47.000 Well, Blake, that was.
00:38:47.000 I mean, like, I was a big part of that in 2015, 2016, because we did.
00:38:54.000 Even on my original Angry DOT fan account, we did hashtag boycott Star Wars episode, was it seven?
00:39:02.000 Yeah, episode seven.
00:39:03.000 We did boycott episode seven, and I specifically called it out for being anti-white, and the SPLC then attacked me for that.
00:39:09.000 They're like, oh, how dare you? 0.91
00:39:11.000 And I was like, well, they made the good guys are all this DEI, we didn't have the word for that back then, coalition, and the bad guys are all white men. 0.96
00:39:20.000 It's just very obvious.
00:39:21.000 And then in 2016, I did hashtag dump Star Wars.
00:39:26.000 And I got Ryan Johnson, who became the infamous director of The Last Jedi, which really just almost pretty much destroyed the Star Wars movies as a franchise to the point where nobody even references them anymore.
00:39:38.000 I'm talking about the Disney sequels now.
00:39:40.000 Where I said that this guy is going to ruin Star Wars and pointed out that the writers of Rogue One were, as you say, running around in the wake of the Trump election saying, oh, well, in our film, the Empire represents Donald Trump and they have this character who's basically like, Supposed to be based on Trump, and they were putting like this little resistance flag in their Twitter bios and stuff.
00:40:03.000 And this was, you know, it's been a long time coming.
00:40:06.000 It's been a long time coming.
00:40:06.000 What can I say?
00:40:08.000 Well, I think the memes are fun.
00:40:12.000 I think it's fun.
00:40:13.000 What I'll say, what made it go too far was there were people who were like, we're going to win the midterms because of the Anakin memes.
00:40:20.000 And a few of them seemed to believe it.
00:40:21.000 Yeah, that's not.
00:40:24.000 Wait, what's this?
00:40:27.000 Oh, yeah, run it back with audio.
00:40:30.000 Is he in the ship, Padme?
00:40:31.000 I've brought Obi-Wan with me as like you've asked.
00:40:35.000 But he told me terrible things, Anakin.
00:40:37.000 What things exactly?
00:40:40.000 He said you've turned to the dark side?
00:40:43.000 And he said he's watched a video of you killing the younglings? 0.95
00:40:48.000 Obi Wan is a boomer.
00:40:50.000 He must have watched some AI slops on Facebook.
00:40:53.000 You know how it is in these days.
00:40:54.000 Forget about it.
00:40:55.000 So you didn't turn to the dark side?
00:40:58.000 I was low key hoping you did, actually.
00:41:03.000 You did turn to the dark side, huh?
00:41:06.000 Because.
00:41:07.000 Love won't save you.
00:41:09.000 Only through power can you be saved.
00:41:12.000 So I get why this is making some people uncomfortable because, like, you don't.
00:41:16.000 We don't actually endorse going to the dark side.
00:41:19.000 What I endorse is how this illuminates the real angst and anger of young white men and young men in general that have been villainized in this culture.
00:41:29.000 And, you know, they felt like Trump was the chosen one, right?
00:41:35.000 I mean, they did.
00:41:36.000 There was a bit, yeah.
00:41:37.000 You were supposed to be the chosen one.
00:41:39.000 And I think, didn't you?
00:41:42.000 You were supposed to make peace with Iran, not bomb them.
00:41:45.000 Yeah, exactly.
00:41:47.000 I think Russ put one.
00:41:51.000 Russ, put it up here.
00:41:52.000 Yeah, we have the 11 compilation, but it's too big.
00:41:55.000 Oh, here's this one.
00:41:56.000 I got it.
00:41:57.000 This is a great one.
00:42:00.000 It's like Obi Wan.
00:42:00.000 Russ sent this one.
00:42:02.000 It goes, You were the chosen one.
00:42:04.000 It was said you would destroy the neocons, not join them, bring balance to the country, not leave it in darkness. 0.99
00:42:09.000 And Trump looking back, I hate you. 1.00
00:42:12.000 I hate you. 0.99
00:42:13.000 And then BoomerCon, You were my brother, Anakin.
00:42:15.000 I loved you.
00:42:16.000 And that, like, there's kind of something, like, I don't know, to that a little bit.
00:42:21.000 Like, I think it.
00:42:23.000 Expresses the rage and the anger that a lot of young guys have, right?
00:42:27.000 Because Trump was like, they really believed he was going to do something different.
00:42:32.000 They believed he was going to not go to war.
00:42:35.000 And then, you know.
00:42:37.000 No, you're not wrong.
00:42:38.000 It's just that's a different format.
00:42:39.000 That's reversing the format.
00:42:41.000 Because usually the format is like pro Anakin and anti Obi Wan, whereas this one's just like.
00:42:45.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:42:46.000 Fair enough.
00:42:47.000 So it's like the form is opposite.
00:42:50.000 But the line does kind of fit.
00:42:52.000 With, again, with their feeling about it.
00:42:55.000 I'm not saying it.
00:42:56.000 What was the one?
00:42:58.000 Oh, the Jedi, the compilation.
00:43:01.000 I like number 12.
00:43:02.000 Anakin, the Tusken Raiders that killed your mom aren't fit to stand trial. 1.00
00:43:06.000 Their Midichlorian counts are too low. 1.00
00:43:09.000 The left loves that. 1.00
00:43:09.000 I mean, that's another story that happened today. 1.00
00:43:11.000 Did you guys see?
00:43:13.000 No.
00:43:14.000 Governor Newsom, he commuted every single death sentence in California.
00:43:17.000 Oh, I did see this.
00:43:18.000 It's California, so they never execute anyone anyway.
00:43:21.000 But even the principle of it, there are people in California on death row.
00:43:24.000 There was a guy who kidnapped people and ate them, and he would make them torture each other before he killed them.
00:43:31.000 Like.
00:43:32.000 That's the kind of people that they're giving commutations to.
00:43:35.000 And the last one is the Tusker B. He's only in office for like another couple weeks.
00:43:41.000 In this office.
00:43:43.000 It's like.
00:43:44.000 It's just so lefty to not hold people accountable.
00:43:48.000 No, no, no.
00:43:48.000 I'm just saying this is why he's doing it now.
00:43:51.000 Yeah.
00:43:51.000 Yeah.
00:43:52.000 It's exactly why he's doing it now.
00:43:54.000 Speaking of Cray Cray, California, now they have throuples are legal in West Hollywood, which, if you've ever been to West Hollywood, should not surprise you.
00:44:04.000 SOP 14 or.
00:44:05.000 Clip 14, or whatever. 0.92
00:44:06.000 California City makes history allowing thrupples, foursomes, to legally register as partners.
00:44:11.000 My question I haven't read the article.
00:44:13.000 Does this mean they actually get legal insurance?
00:44:18.000 And if somebody's dying, my guess is since it's only a city and that's almost always state law that governs it, it's probably pretty limited.
00:44:26.000 But let's see.
00:44:26.000 So it's in a Los Angeles County city.
00:44:30.000 Let's see.
00:44:32.000 They may officially register with the city, granting them certain rights such as hospital visitation and additional tenant protection.
00:44:38.000 So I guess.
00:44:39.000 Tenant protections is probably the biggest one.
00:44:41.000 Isn't West Hollywood its own municipality?
00:44:43.000 I can't remember.
00:44:44.000 It must be.
00:44:45.000 Yeah.
00:44:45.000 Yeah.
00:44:46.000 Jack, I was credibly told by the pro LGBTQ lobby or whatever they were at the time that this was just because this was not going to become polyamory.
00:44:59.000 This was not going to slippery slope into anything else, Jack. 0.58
00:45:02.000 It was just because people didn't have the right to love each other.
00:45:06.000 Every single social conservative who fought in defense of traditional marriage predicted this.
00:45:06.000 Yeah.
00:45:12.000 Every single one.
00:45:14.000 When they were up at the time, if you go back to the 2000s and the debates when this was raging, it was the case Blake was like Lawrence v. Texas, I think, was a big one in terms of this and a number of them.
00:45:26.000 And people kept predicting.
00:45:28.000 They said, if you open marriage and the definition of what marriage is in society up from the objective, traditional, classic view of marriage to sort of whatever anyone's truth of a marriage is. is, because that's what they did.
00:45:46.000 They changed around the definition of a word and didn't put it up to votes in many of these cases, that what would end up happening is that any sort of thing could be considered a marriage.
00:46:00.000 And it would be enshrined in law, which includes giving health care access, which means that if you're in California, you have to pay for this now.
00:46:09.000 Think about that. 0.99
00:46:10.000 You actually have to pay for the thruple marriage. 1.00
00:46:16.000 What would four be? 0.90
00:46:17.000 The quadruple marriage? 0.99
00:46:18.000 A foursome. 1.00
00:46:20.000 I think that's what the headphones call it.
00:46:21.000 A thrupple and a foursome. 0.99
00:46:23.000 Yeah, this is nuts. 0.99
00:46:25.000 Okay, this is nuts.
00:46:26.000 Like, left wing ideology taken to its logical conclusion is like pure pandemonium.
00:46:33.000 Dogs and cats living together, all hell breaking loose.
00:46:36.000 Literally, that is what their worldview is.
00:46:39.000 We just watched that.
00:46:41.000 We just watched Ghostbusters with the kids.
00:46:42.000 It's so good.
00:46:43.000 It is so good.
00:46:44.000 By the way, radicalizing film.
00:46:46.000 Radicalizing.
00:46:47.000 1984.
00:46:47.000 Is it?
00:46:48.000 It's a right wing film.
00:46:50.000 Watch a right wing film.
00:46:50.000 Really?
00:46:51.000 Wait, hold on.
00:46:52.000 Why is that radicalizing?
00:46:53.000 Demographically, in 1984, look at New York.
00:46:56.000 Let's go. 0.99
00:46:57.000 Counterpoint, New York in 1984 was a crap hole. 0.94
00:47:01.000 Counterpoint, in 1984, the demographics of New York City were better than the demographics of New York. 0.98
00:47:06.000 Okay, because they not voted for the vote.
00:47:07.000 What I would say is they would rather live in Ghostbusters than 1984 New York.
00:47:12.000 In 1984 New York, you get mugged walking outside of your office in Times Square, which is why they hired Rudy Giuliani in 1994.
00:47:20.000 And it's still early.
00:47:20.000 Yeah.
00:47:21.000 By the way, the demographics.
00:47:24.000 Uh, are one thing the crime was part of a larger like societal decay that started in the 1960s, yeah.
00:47:31.000 But it was like New York was like one of the worst cases, yeah.
00:47:34.000 It was back, I mean, New York's the top, but that's not the point Andrew's making.
00:47:37.000 That's not the point that Andrew's making.
00:47:38.000 I don't know what the rate, I think the New York peaked at about 2,000 murderers in a year, which is about 10 times what it is these days.
00:47:45.000 Um, it's also and keep in mind that that it's also a different type of you know, it's also a different like like a lot of that was at in like outer boroughs.
00:47:55.000 It's different from today where you just have like wanton violence everywhere.
00:47:59.000 Well, I mean, actually, I don't think so.
00:48:01.000 I think they have once in violence.
00:48:03.000 In New York in the 1980s, you would be in danger of getting mugged, like anywhere in Manhattan.
00:48:08.000 Okay, so 1990 was actually 1990, 2,245 murders, a rate of 31 per hour.
00:48:16.000 No, no, no, I'm not saying that it was like some peaceful mecca or anything.
00:48:21.000 A lot of that was because of Dinkins, a lot of that was because of specific mayors.
00:48:24.000 But what Andrew's talking about is just the demos of the city when the city was mugged.
00:48:29.000 I know he is, but I'm saying.
00:48:31.000 That's all he's saying.
00:48:32.000 When people talk about why demographic change can be bad, they usually mean, like, among other things, that it can lead to your city or location being more third world.
00:48:41.000 And New York was vastly more third world in the 80s, which is kind of a white pill because it shows that there's a lot of things that affect this. 0.85
00:48:48.000 Otherwise, it's more third world now. 0.77
00:48:51.000 I looked it up, by the way. 0.94
00:48:52.000 New York's murder rate in that peak was the same as about South Africa's today.
00:48:56.000 Dang. 1.00
00:48:57.000 There are definitely more third worlders in New York today than there were in 1980. 1.00
00:49:00.000 But the question is, yeah, there definitely is. 1.00
00:49:02.000 Including the mayor.
00:49:03.000 But that's a good point.
00:49:06.000 The question, though, is I wonder if you dug into the demographics of 1984, like who was doing the murdering?
00:49:13.000 Oh, still was, yeah.
00:49:13.000 Like, was it.
00:49:14.000 It was still, like, predominantly black. 1.00
00:49:16.000 Predominantly black. 1.00
00:49:17.000 Yeah, like the government was less. 1.00
00:49:19.000 I'm not saying that the mayor wasn't a litard. 1.00
00:49:22.000 Because I want to have white pills here. 1.00
00:49:23.000 A big thing is Hispanics used to have very high crime rates in America, and they've, like, gone way down. 0.99
00:49:28.000 Like, we've gotten pretty good at managing.
00:49:29.000 Either that or we can't do all the police stuff.
00:49:32.000 Because murders, you have bodies.
00:49:32.000 No, no, no.
00:49:34.000 You have bodies.
00:49:35.000 You know, that's actually a really good point.
00:49:36.000 Murders is the one thing that, like, It doesn't matter who does it or where, they're going to at least report it because it's a dead person.
00:49:42.000 I mean, it's kind of funny to think about how bad New York was because people love Home Alone, too, Lost in New York.
00:49:47.000 It's a good Christmas movie and it's a lot of good New York Americana.
00:49:51.000 And that film is basically the apex of how bad New York was in terms of murder rape.
00:49:56.000 And Macaulay Culk is just hanging out.
00:49:58.000 And he's just hanging out.
00:49:58.000 He's wandering through, he's walking through this neighborhood at night.
00:50:01.000 No one's shanking him.
00:50:03.000 Yeah.
00:50:03.000 So here's the difference, though.
00:50:05.000 I think in the 80s, it would have still been predominantly minority. 0.85
00:50:10.000 Murders for sure.
00:50:12.000 There was probably like more white murders too, but I also think that things were more segregated in the 80s.
00:50:17.000 Like, see, Manhattan was like way more white than it is now, for example.
00:50:22.000 Um, it just, I mean, at least visually on the screen, you know, another radicalizing film.
00:50:27.000 No, it's just not true though.
00:50:28.000 Like, that it was specifically to those neighborhoods, it was specifically concentrated in those neighborhoods.
00:50:34.000 That's what I'm saying.
00:50:35.000 In the 80s and 90s, no, I think you're completely wrong, Jack.
00:50:39.000 I think, like, Manhattan did have Brooklyn, Brooklyn was the largest, then the Bronx.
00:50:45.000 Than Upper Manhattan and Harlem.
00:50:47.000 What was Upper Manhattan in the 80s like?
00:50:50.000 I have no idea.
00:50:51.000 Like, Harlem.
00:50:52.000 Is that.
00:50:53.000 Oh, so they would.
00:50:55.000 But, like, have you ever seen Taxi Driver?
00:50:55.000 That's it.
00:50:57.000 Like, Taxi Driver?
00:50:59.000 Again, that's a movie.
00:51:00.000 Times Square is a bunch of. 0.99
00:51:01.000 Is it nothing but sleazy porn theaters? 0.54
00:51:04.000 Well, that was what Rudy Giuliani was really famous for.
00:51:06.000 Yeah, exactly.
00:51:06.000 That's the thing.
00:51:07.000 It's like all these parts of New York that are 110% gentrified now and you associate with being nice were huge dumps, really trashy, really disgusting, and yeah, a lot of crime.
00:51:16.000 Or, like, the subway.
00:51:18.000 Like, the subway.
00:51:19.000 We get we freak out about the odd subway murder here, but the subway was insanely dangerous for long periods.
00:51:25.000 How many murders?
00:51:25.000 Well, that's how you got Bernie Getz.
00:51:27.000 I don't know the exact number.
00:51:28.000 The Bernie Getz, Bernie Getz or Benny Getz?
00:51:30.000 Bernie Getz, right?
00:51:31.000 Bernie Getz, yep.
00:51:32.000 Bernie Getz, yeah.
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00:53:37.000 I want to look this up.
00:53:38.000 Yeah, I'm trying to find like New York County because that's like just Manhattan.
00:53:42.000 Yeah.
00:53:43.000 Listen, I think that both things are probably a little bit true, right? 0.65
00:53:46.000 Like the crime was probably segregated.
00:53:49.000 New York, New York, Manhattan definitely was a little bit more seedy, but I also think that like Times Square was a tourist trap, but it was a seedy tourist trap.
00:54:01.000 So 1980, 20 murders on the subway.
00:54:03.000 1981, 14, 82, 17, 83, 5.
00:54:07.000 They had a nice little dip in 83, 86, 11, 89, 20.
00:54:11.000 So now do the last five years.
00:54:13.000 We'll compare and contrast.
00:54:15.000 But you know, another movie that's radicalizing?
00:54:17.000 Jack will appreciate this.
00:54:19.000 The Sandlot.
00:54:21.000 The Sandlot's pretty horrible.
00:54:23.000 What's funny about The Sandlot is that's already a nostalgia pick.
00:54:26.000 Because it's made in the 90s, but it's about a kid growing up in the 50s or 60s.
00:54:29.000 No, no, no.
00:54:30.000 Yeah, Taylor Marshall got, our good friend, Dr. Taylor Marshall, had tweeted about this recently.
00:54:38.000 You know, recently, maybe a couple of months ago or so.
00:54:40.000 And similar to your burrito tweet, he got into this huge Twitter battle with like Matty Iglesias and a bunch of other douchebags, these like neo-lib douchebags, saying that because he said like the Sandlot world doesn't exist anymore.
00:54:55.000 And they were like, What are you talking about?
00:54:57.000 The Little League still exists.
00:54:58.000 You could still have Little League baseball.
00:55:00.000 No, he just let your kids go totally free range in the neighborhood.
00:55:04.000 And I was like, You're so wrong.
00:55:06.000 You're so wrong.
00:55:07.000 This is not true at all.
00:55:09.000 Kids do not just go around.
00:55:11.000 And hang out.
00:55:12.000 Number one, they certainly don't go.
00:55:13.000 I was just telling my wife about this the other day that when I was growing up in Naristown, which is the Philly area, that I could, when I was like seven, eight years old, like I could walk a couple of streets away and go to my nana's house because that's where my nana lived.
00:55:28.000 And then we would bike everywhere.
00:55:29.000 I used to bike everywhere.
00:55:30.000 Yeah, and then we would bike everywhere, like all over town.
00:55:34.000 What's so funny about this is like, and that does not exist today.
00:55:38.000 It does not exist today.
00:55:39.000 And yet, a lot of kids are free range.
00:55:41.000 People complained about it, but it's because parents just don't raise their kids to do that anymore.
00:55:44.000 Yeah, I think, I will say, I'm in a neighborhood in Phoenix that I do see a lot of like, but they're a little older than I was, but they're still out.
00:55:52.000 I mean, a lot of the decline, some of the decline is just that there's fewer kids.
00:55:57.000 Well, there's fewer kids, but a lot of it is also just parents choose to be fearful, even though there's very little to be scared of.
00:56:01.000 As an example, people will often cite concerns about safety for why their kids shouldn't trick or treat.
00:56:07.000 Your kids have zero danger trick or treating.
00:56:08.000 Check this out.
00:56:09.000 So we talked about perception is reality sometimes.
00:56:13.000 Deaths on the subway in the last five years, 37 murders.
00:56:16.000 So 2021, eight.
00:56:17.000 2022, 10, 2023, 5, 2024, 10, 2025, 4, down 60%.
00:56:24.000 But they're still like, that's not like crazy different than.
00:56:27.000 Yeah, now I just looked up, I actually did get, thankfully, Claude found the New York State murder crime repository.
00:56:36.000 You said 1984 was the year Ghostbusters came out?
00:56:38.000 Just in Manhattan, 401 murders.
00:56:41.000 Yeah, okay.
00:56:42.000 Which New York City wide is 200.
00:56:45.000 I don't know.
00:56:46.000 I don't have that specifically.
00:56:47.000 But yeah, I mean, that's always been the case.
00:56:49.000 It's mostly been there.
00:56:49.000 I bet that would.
00:56:50.000 So it's like, what I'm saying is it's like, Two things can be true at the same time.
00:56:54.000 Like New York was on the whole more violent, but it might have been more segregated to like crazy enough.
00:57:02.000 Manhattan had the highest murder rate of any borough in New York, higher than the Bronx.
00:57:06.000 I'll speak about this.
00:57:07.000 What, like, you know, and I'll speak out on this because what I was going to say at the end of that was the town where I'm from, Narasim PA, that where I just said those streets where I used to walk down and, you know, my mom would let us go out, ride bikes, go rollerblading, whatever, go to my nana's house.
00:57:25.000 Say, go to Diana's house, see you later.
00:57:27.000 And we would just walk down, my brother and I.
00:57:29.000 I mean, the amount of crime and murder and insane violence with Mexican trafficking gangs getting into shootouts in parts of our town now, it is an absolute hellhole.
00:57:41.000 And I would use stronger language if this was otherwise. 0.74
00:57:45.000 Manhattan is like the wrong example because Manhattan is so densely populated and there's so many people walking around all the time.
00:57:54.000 I was just there for that News Nation thing and I was actually really curious how it was going to feel on the streets.
00:57:59.000 And It actually feels like New York.
00:58:01.000 I mean, New York is so established and the rhythms of life are so established that it's kind of hard to break certain things about it.
00:58:11.000 And just all the street traffic kind of makes it a little bit like a different situation.
00:58:16.000 Nevertheless, they didn't have thrupples and foursome partners legally acknowledged in 1984.
00:58:22.000 So that should be.
00:58:23.000 I mean, so, and Zuzu's pedals pointed out thank you for the donation, Zuzu.
00:58:26.000 She points out the people who fight for this most aggressively now, it's like a weird Silicon Valley subculture thing.
00:58:33.000 To be in favor of polyamory.
00:58:34.000 It reminds me of Andy Note, our conversation we had.
00:58:37.000 Yeah, exactly.
00:58:38.000 So, that world, those rationalists, like a lot of them are into that.
00:58:41.000 What are they called?
00:58:42.000 Neo rationalists or hyper rationalists?
00:58:44.000 There's different subgroups or whatever.
00:58:47.000 But yeah, a lot of people, this is actually a lot of people in the AI world, so it's going to be a bigger deal.
00:58:51.000 They are polyamorous.
00:58:53.000 They live in these polycules, as they call them.
00:58:55.000 And it's actually widespread enough in San Francisco.
00:58:59.000 We now have people complaining, like, oh, there's actually serious social pressure.
00:59:03.000 Like, people feel their career won't get ahead.
00:59:05.000 Like, oh, if you don't agree to. 0.85
00:59:06.000 Join these freaking polycules or be okay with your boyfriend or whoever being in them. 0.89
00:59:12.000 If you expect, yeah, if you expect like monogamous, you know, monogamous heterosexual relationship with someone, you're so behind the times, you don't get it. 0.92
00:59:21.000 But as Zuzu points out, that is who's fighting for it now. 1.00
00:59:25.000 But it also totally paves the way for Muslims. 1.00
00:59:28.000 Remember, the Prophet allows you to have up to four wives and, of course, an unlimited number of sex men. 0.97
00:59:33.000 And for women, they didn't change their theology either.
00:59:35.000 No. 1.00
00:59:36.000 It's always the only people you can still have multiple wives in. 0.99
00:59:40.000 Fully Sharia compliant places, Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia, it has only ever been westernizing modernizers who have imposed monogamy on Arab societies, which is pretty funny. 0.96
00:59:53.000 This will happen in Turkey. 0.94
00:59:54.000 In Turkey, they.
00:59:55.000 It's interesting.
00:59:56.000 Remember when we were talking about it? 1.00
00:59:59.000 It's advanced societal tech to have monogamy. 1.00
01:00:02.000 Because if you don't, then there will be a shortage of women for enough men, right? 1.00
01:00:09.000 So you'll have all these single men that go around just causing problems, waging war. 0.91
01:00:13.000 You know, um, in fact, a good man, those cultures once they westernized their conception of marriage and their laws around marriage, yeah, did they advance? 0.96
01:00:21.000 Yes, they did.
01:00:22.000 And actually, a very good measure of like what Muslim countries have like hope for them is the ones that actually ban polygamy.
01:00:29.000 So, Turkey actually banned polygamy. 0.51
01:00:31.000 Kamal Ataturk, a great MVP of history, banned it under his modernizing reforms. 0.66
01:00:35.000 Should have been hung, should have been hung after World War I. You should have hung Kamal. 0.77
01:00:39.000 Well, too bad. 1.00
01:00:39.000 Kamal's a great Turk, yes, absolutely. 1.00
01:00:41.000 Well, should, yeah, for Turkey, sure, but for the rest of the world, not so much, maybe.
01:00:45.000 But he was a good man for Turkey, uh, Tunisia.
01:00:47.000 It's like also one of the most moderate Muslim countries. 1.00
01:00:49.000 Oh, terrible guy. 1.00
01:00:50.000 And then Central Asia, like Uzbekistan, Turkmenistan, Kosovo, and Albania are good friends in Southeast Europe.
01:00:57.000 They also have highly modern, westernized marriage regimes. 0.56
01:01:01.000 But polygamy, legal for in Saudi Arabia, legal in Iraq.
01:01:06.000 Did you know that?
01:01:07.000 We didn't get rid of polygamy in Iraq, it turns out. 1.00
01:01:08.000 Interesting. 1.00
01:01:10.000 Legal in Iran. 1.00
01:01:11.000 Well, kind of the same way that we didn't get rid of bacha bazi in Afghanistan. 1.00
01:01:14.000 Yeah, true. 1.00
01:01:15.000 Very true.
01:01:15.000 Very true.
01:01:16.000 I'll be the ignorant one. 1.00
01:01:16.000 What's bacha bazi? 1.00
01:01:18.000 Oh, that's the.
01:01:19.000 Blake, take it away. 0.88
01:01:19.000 Boy molested. 0.88
01:01:21.000 Yeah, so yeah. 1.00
01:01:22.000 Well, what's funny about that is that's not Islamic. 1.00
01:01:24.000 I know it. 1.00
01:01:24.000 I know it. 1.00
01:01:25.000 That is not Islamic.
01:01:26.000 That's like the parallel society of traditional Afghan practices. 0.75
01:01:30.000 Did you know the Taliban basically started as a sort of QAnon esque movement to kill pedophiles? 0.88
01:01:36.000 Correct. 0.93
01:01:37.000 Not even making that up.
01:01:38.000 That there was a lot of, they'd have these warlords and they would take beautiful young boys to be molested by these various warlords.
01:01:45.000 And this was highly unpopular with ordinary Afghans.
01:01:48.000 But like, I want to be clear that's their phrasing, not your phrasing.
01:01:53.000 Yeah, whatever.
01:01:54.000 But anyway, and then, yeah, like the very first person the Taliban killed, they took a warlord who was doing that and they hung him from the gun of a tank.
01:02:04.000 And then they did a lot of other stuff. 0.84
01:02:06.000 They were a little cuckoo.
01:02:07.000 Yeah, they were super anti pedophile.
01:02:09.000 And so when the U.S. came in, a lot of the warlords that the U.S. backed and the Bush administration backed were actually those former warlords who were pro Bachabazi.
01:02:19.000 And when these sorts of things were happening on bases with the U.S. allies at the time, The Northern Alliance and others that so many soldiers got PTSD because they were told to look the other way.
01:02:30.000 Yeah.
01:02:31.000 And they were told to, you know, go out of the room if that's happening and this is just part of their culture and you've got to suck it up. 0.93
01:02:37.000 So, how did that culture develop in parallel with hardcore Islam? 0.93
01:02:44.000 Was it like traditional? 1.00
01:02:45.000 A lot of it is. 0.90
01:02:46.000 Pre Muslim Afghan cultures just existed for some reason.
01:02:49.000 Well, a big thing is that really hardcore Islam is kind of a revivalist movement. 0.91
01:02:55.000 And you might associate it, you could compare it to like a great awakening type stuff.
01:02:58.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 0.85
01:03:00.000 Um, that there's a lot of, I mean, obviously, these places are all Muslim, it pervades everything, and there's varying levels of intensity to it. 0.81
01:03:08.000 And if you're the Taliban, if you're Al Qaeda, if you're any of these Salafist movements, that's what we call it Salafism, is it is like a reaction to the like the West intruding on these places, uh, it's a reaction to them getting colonized, to them feeling they're falling behind. 0.85
01:03:22.000 It's just turn into like boy molesting.
01:03:24.000 Well, this is actually, that's just kind of there's a lot of molesting that goes on in traditional societies.
01:03:29.000 Unfortunately.
01:03:29.000 So, what would be okay?
01:03:30.000 This is a fun full circle moment.
01:03:32.000 Okay, so we've got this.
01:03:33.000 So now we just got absolutely blue nuked on Tuesday.
01:03:40.000 And you've got throuples.
01:03:43.000 You've got no death penalty.
01:03:45.000 What's the cheap housing headline so I know what it is?
01:03:47.000 Throw up 16.
01:03:51.000 Do we have it?
01:03:53.000 Oh, wait.
01:03:53.000 Breaking California have approved.
01:03:56.000 Californians have approved a new home buying assistance program that will let people purchase newly built homes.
01:04:01.000 With just 3% down instead of the standard 20% per year.
01:04:05.000 I mean, okay, it feels like we're really not learning our lessons because that's how we part of how we got the housing bubble.
01:04:12.000 But, anyways, so I don't know how that plays in, but it the point is, so you're going to get crazier and crazier things.
01:04:19.000 Woke, too, is going to be nuts.
01:04:22.000 It's also going to be violent.
01:04:23.000 So, if you have these reactions, these reactionaries react to the pervasive modernization, the secularization of their cultures, and these crazy.
01:04:36.000 What's our Anakin going to do in this?
01:04:40.000 What can we expect the reaction to be?
01:04:42.000 Because we have these offshoots.
01:04:44.000 You've got the Fuentes and the Tucker and the MTG.
01:04:47.000 They're all saying the accelerationists want to burn everything down to prove a lesson, right?
01:04:55.000 They believe that we're on the side of war, even though we're not.
01:04:59.000 But we supported Trump, therefore, we're all guilty.
01:05:03.000 Are they going to come back?
01:05:04.000 The reaction has just got to be the wager on the strong, as it were, which is just there's so many people who are guilty.
01:05:11.000 Just not going to make it through all of the pressures and ordeals that are happening right now.
01:05:16.000 So many people are going to cook their brains with AI.
01:05:18.000 Like, even though they voted against data centers, all these people, the same people who are voting against data centers, also are addicted to AI.
01:05:24.000 They're addicted to not going outside.
01:05:26.000 There's going to be a massive drop in the number of grass touchers in American life.
01:05:30.000 There's going to be a lot of people who are sitting inside and they're doing nothing but watch short form video, nothing but watching streamers stream about stuff. 0.89
01:05:39.000 They'll be very detached from reality.
01:05:41.000 The winners of the future are going to be the people who actually still go outside and do things.
01:05:46.000 Because the power that comes from being willing to do that will be so much greater because so many other people are checked out.
01:05:52.000 Yeah, the future belongs to those who show up for it.
01:05:54.000 And I think that's the way.
01:05:55.000 Jack, I'm curious your thoughts on this, actually.
01:05:58.000 So I just mentioned the whole third party movement.
01:06:01.000 I think, what was it?
01:06:04.000 Weinstein.
01:06:05.000 Brett Weinstein came out.
01:06:07.000 He's got this whole plan to co op the Libertarian Party.
01:06:09.000 Did you see that?
01:06:11.000 Did you see that?
01:06:12.000 Well, I saw that they're doing like a separate party.
01:06:14.000 I didn't think that they were doing a Libertarian Party.
01:06:16.000 I think they're co op.
01:06:17.000 They called it a friendly takeover of the Libertarian Party because it's on all the ballot access.
01:06:22.000 I thought they were doing a separate party.
01:06:24.000 No, I think they're going to try and rename it.
01:06:26.000 They're branding it the America First Party.
01:06:32.000 But it's like American Libertarian or something like that.
01:06:35.000 Anyways, but they're just kind of renaming, rebranding, but they're using the apparatus of the Libertarian Party.
01:06:40.000 Anyways, the point is.
01:06:41.000 How sticky?
01:06:42.000 Okay, so we talked about how young men are they they they swung way back after swinging way this way in 2024.
01:06:51.000 They feel betrayed, all this stuff.
01:06:54.000 How sticky is this third party thing going to be in your mind?
01:06:58.000 Like, how much how many how much legs does this thing have?
01:07:02.000 So, I mean, third parties again are notorious in Ross Perot in certain elections, like.
01:07:12.000 Like 1992, of course, in the election for Bill, which resulted in Bill Clinton's victory, where that's what we're all worried about, right?
01:07:22.000 Swings the election by preventing any candidate from reaching a majority of the popular vote, but is able to knock off so many of Republican votes in the states that Bill Clinton ends up winning with only about 42% of the vote.
01:07:38.000 And you're already seeing this, by the way, in a number of states that were super close, like Mississippi, and of course, like the fake Dan Sullivan up in Alaska.
01:07:46.000 Where they have been preventing those Republican votes from achieving the majority.
01:07:52.000 And by the way, I do think that Alaska election really needs to be investigated because if you're going to seat somebody who only won by 700 votes and you've got a guy there with the exact same name as the other candidate who had thousands of votes that would have more than, I think, tripled the, or excuse me, throupled the margin of victory, then you have a serious problem with that.
01:08:15.000 Wait, have they run the ranked choice on that yet?
01:08:18.000 This is something I'd keep, because there is a possibility if they run the ranked choice on that, People, he might end up getting those secondary votes, right?
01:08:28.000 It's a Tyler question.
01:08:30.000 But he might, yes.
01:08:32.000 So I'm going to.
01:08:34.000 But either way, we're holding off on that.
01:08:37.000 We're already seeing the impact.
01:08:38.000 So the point being is this is something that could be very detrimental.
01:08:43.000 It could be very, very detrimental in a general election to Republicans.
01:08:46.000 And there's no question about it.
01:08:47.000 And it's something that needs to be taken seriously.
01:08:49.000 Just absolutely needs to be taken seriously.
01:08:50.000 Yeah, I agree.
01:08:51.000 And because I don't think there's any.
01:08:55.000 Parallel movement on the left that would be the analog for it, right?
01:08:59.000 Well, because what the left has done is the DSA has gone the same way as what MAGA did originally with the Republican Party.
01:09:06.000 That's what they've gone into.
01:09:07.000 Yeah, I mean, there have been occasionally Democratic socialists explicitly run at the local level.
01:09:13.000 It's so much more productive because of how the U.S. political system works.
01:09:17.000 Like, our laws directly favor the Republican and Democratic parties.
01:09:22.000 And so it's much easier to get on the ballot, much easier to.
01:09:25.000 Officially, do things through the legal parties, through the major parties, I should say.
01:09:32.000 And because we have like open primary systems, anyone can run under those big party labels.
01:09:37.000 It's if you want to achieve serious change in this country, it is vastly more doable and pragmatic to do it through the major parties.
01:09:46.000 Try to win primaries.
01:09:47.000 But if you're not trying to reform, if you're trying to blow up, you start a third party.
01:09:52.000 The only reason to start a third party in the United States, for all practical purposes, is to help the Opposite party of whatever party you're closest to win elections.
01:10:03.000 So if you are starting a right wing coded third party, your goal is to help the left win elections.
01:10:03.000 Yeah.
01:10:10.000 Yeah.
01:10:10.000 Explicitly.
01:10:11.000 Well, and that's what's interesting to me.
01:10:13.000 So if I'm looking at Brett Weinstein or if Tucker ends up doing it, are they really like I'm trying to get into the psychology.
01:10:24.000 Do they really feel like the Republican Party is so beyond?
01:10:30.000 Salvaging that they, I mean, there's probably a good way to look at it.
01:10:34.000 Like, here's the generous take and the more cynical take.
01:10:38.000 The generous take is that, like, this is the only way to make the Republican Party more pure, I guess.
01:10:43.000 The cynical take is it's a retribution.
01:10:47.000 The actual effect, usually when people are doing this for that motive, it's that they're very driven by specific personal grievances.
01:10:56.000 Sure.
01:10:57.000 And I don't think they look to the bigger situation.
01:11:00.000 Official motive for uh, well, Ross Perot did it because he was literally running as a he was actually running as a viable third party candidate.
01:11:06.000 Um, he was running in the middle, notably.
01:11:08.000 I don't think he was doing it to subvert either party, but he drew from both of them, drew way more from George, he drew more from Bush, and I feel like that's typically the tendency, yeah.
01:11:17.000 Um, especially in this year, like, um, Jack, how how appealing do you think it's going to be though for young men if this thing if this thing like gains steam?
01:11:27.000 You know, I think it'll have um, different impacts in different states.
01:11:31.000 But again, it's going to be something that certainly pulls, looking at the tea leaves of this party in the 2026 midterms, it's certainly going to be something that's appealing to a lot of young men.
01:11:43.000 It's going to be appealing to young men who have this, as we just defined, this Anakin meme streak, who are saying, we're done with the traditional parties and we want a party that speaks directly to us.
01:11:55.000 We want younger candidates.
01:11:56.000 We want someone who's directly speaking to our issues.
01:11:58.000 And again, you know, I've been saying it here on this program.
01:12:01.000 We've been saying it a number of times that the way Republican candidates treated young men in 2026 was atrocious.
01:12:10.000 It was absolutely atrocious.
01:12:11.000 Talking down to them, telling to make. 1.00
01:12:14.000 A burrito with some more beans, telling them that they're a bunch of losers and bums who sit on the couch and take down welfare. 0.99
01:12:21.000 When we actually ran through this, young white men in America are the least likely group in the entire country to be on government assistance or public assistance of any sort. 0.99
01:12:32.000 And the way that they were talking about it is extremely disrespectful.
01:12:35.000 Legitimately, I think there should be a concern here.
01:12:40.000 The question is okay, so if you want an example, here's I think Ross Perot, because he's recent and got a lot of the vote.
01:12:46.000 He takes up a lot of headspace.
01:12:47.000 If you want a pretty good example of another alternative, did you know that there was a pretty significant third party run in 1980?
01:12:56.000 That's the year Reagan defeats Jimmy Carter and he defeats him in a landslide.
01:12:59.000 And yeah, let me get the guy's name.
01:13:01.000 I think his name was Anderson.
01:13:03.000 Was he left?
01:13:04.000 So he was a, because Reagan was like a different, more conservative Republican.
01:13:08.000 Yeah, John B. Anderson ran as an independent, but he was a Republican who was running as an independent.
01:13:13.000 And he basically represented like Reagan's too conservative or out there or wild.
01:13:17.000 I'm going to run as this.
01:13:18.000 Third party protest vote.
01:13:19.000 He got 6.5% of the vote.
01:13:20.000 Reagan still landslided.
01:13:22.000 Reagan still destroyed Carter.
01:13:25.000 He got 50.7.
01:13:27.000 Carter got 41.
01:13:28.000 John Anderson got 6.6.
01:13:30.000 That's wild.
01:13:30.000 So he loses 6.6.
01:13:32.000 I mean, we don't know if all of.
01:13:34.000 Maybe there was a bunch of Carter votes that were like, screw Carter.
01:13:37.000 Yeah, I mean, America was just more capable because it was a whiter country and white voters are more swinging.
01:13:44.000 Politically, there was not as much difference between the parties, too. 0.78
01:13:48.000 But it's just interesting.
01:13:50.000 Third party election.
01:13:51.000 Three party elections just have weird dynamics to them, and it's never quite as simple as, like, oh, this guy is closer to that party, and so he automatically will hurt them more.
01:14:02.000 Another example I like to point to is 2010.
01:14:04.000 Yeah, they picked him up from the Democrats.
01:14:06.000 In 2010, Marco Rubio runs for Senate, but he was not originally the guy that was supposed to.
01:14:12.000 Do you remember Charlie Crist, who's now a Democrat?
01:14:14.000 He was the governor of Florida, popular governor.
01:14:16.000 They draft him to run for Senate to win that Florida Senate seat, but then it's 2010, it's the Tea Party.
01:14:22.000 Marco Rubio starts as a long shot.
01:14:24.000 He gains ground on him, gains ground.
01:14:25.000 It's clear he's going to win the nomination.
01:14:27.000 So Chris says, screw this.
01:14:29.000 And he switches and he becomes an independent and runs for Senate as an independent.
01:14:34.000 So you have the guy who was going to be the Republican nominee until an upstart was going against him running as an independent.
01:14:41.000 And you also had a Democrat in the race.
01:14:44.000 And now you have Ronco Rubio.
01:14:46.000 Rationally, you have to think the Democrats are going to win because presumably he was going to get 48% of the vote.
01:14:51.000 And now the Republicans are splitting it.
01:14:53.000 Here's the final result Marco Rubio, 49%.
01:14:56.000 Charlie Crist, 29%.
01:14:58.000 The Democrat 20%.
01:14:59.000 Wow.
01:15:00.000 What explains that?
01:15:02.000 There's just weird dynamics to three party races.
01:15:05.000 Because Republicans were sick of Charlie Crist because that was, I believe, the Tea Party year and Republicans viewed Charlie Crist at 2010.
01:15:12.000 Yeah.
01:15:13.000 So Republicans viewed Charlie Crist as being part of this, like, out of touch.
01:15:18.000 But Jack, let me explain what I would have expected to happen.
01:15:23.000 So he just tells me that scenario and he doesn't tell me the numbers and he goes, guess what, where that would have ended?
01:15:28.000 I would have said, probably most likely, Rubio gets 40.
01:15:33.000 Chris gets 15 and the Democrat gets, you know, wins.
01:15:39.000 Yeah, 44.
01:15:40.000 Like, you know what I mean?
01:15:41.000 And wins because they split the vote.
01:15:43.000 That would have made way more sense to me.
01:15:45.000 Yeah.
01:15:46.000 This doesn't make any sense to me.
01:15:47.000 Exactly.
01:15:47.000 Yeah.
01:15:48.000 Like, wins actually just destroys the vote.
01:15:50.000 It also, I mean, it matters who you nominate, right?
01:15:53.000 Charlie Crist has lost in Florida, I think, as a member of each party at this point, including independent, Republican, independent, and Democrat.
01:16:01.000 It's an incredible trifecta.
01:16:03.000 Hats off to you, Charlie Crist, for that.
01:16:04.000 But at the same point, though, you know, each race is specific.
01:16:09.000 Each candidate is specific.
01:16:11.000 So it depends on who you nominate.
01:16:13.000 It depends on who you run.
01:16:14.000 All right.
01:16:15.000 Here, I'll.
01:16:15.000 Okay.
01:16:16.000 Throw this at you, Jack.
01:16:18.000 Thomas Massey versus JD Vance versus AOC.
01:16:23.000 What happens?
01:16:25.000 Like, I mean, you know, look, if you put my prognosticator hat on, if I'm going to sit here and tell you exactly what happens, because we have a lot of football between now and 2022.
01:16:34.000 I mean, so much.
01:16:35.000 So much.
01:16:36.000 And I think that anybody making one of those statements right now is going to be wild.
01:16:42.000 But yeah, in a scenario like that, and I'm assuming you're saying if Massey runs as an independent, yeah, as an independent or the Libertarian Party or whatever, yeah.
01:16:49.000 Yeah, right.
01:16:50.000 You have to, you know, you have to say, does he, you know, who does he draw more from, right?
01:16:55.000 He's going to draw from both sides.
01:16:56.000 Yeah.
01:16:57.000 I would, I mean, I would suspect he would draw more from the Republicans.
01:17:01.000 I think that's the whole thing.
01:17:02.000 But you think, and there's always something weird about this.
01:17:04.000 Like, think about the crazy example you're talking about.
01:17:06.000 Think about Tulsi Gabbard and how she was, if anything, she positioned herself as on the far left of the Democratic Party.
01:17:14.000 And yet, because they saw her as like a saboteur, she ends up way more popular with people on the right.
01:17:19.000 And eventually, she just kind of becomes much more on the right as a result.
01:17:22.000 You get, Because you spoke out about radical Islam, by the way. 0.83
01:17:25.000 Yeah, and these things happen within weird organic environments.
01:17:28.000 So, like, people have mentioned Tucker.
01:17:30.000 Like, in our head, we'd think, oh, a Tucker independent run is implicitly on the right.
01:17:34.000 And yet, on what issue is actually Tucker on the right?
01:17:38.000 On immigration.
01:17:39.000 Is he?
01:17:40.000 Because he's argued that, like, for example, that going really hard on immigration enforcement was bad and evil.
01:17:40.000 Yeah, he's.
01:17:45.000 He's very pro white. 0.65
01:17:47.000 Is he? 0.73
01:17:48.000 Yeah, he's very.
01:17:48.000 Because he said, actually, the Pakistani cab driver in London is not the problem with London.
01:17:53.000 Right.
01:17:54.000 I mean, Tucker.
01:17:55.000 He's done lots of pro white episodes and things like that about South Africa.
01:18:00.000 Overall, I would interpret, and maybe I'm wrong because I haven't watched all of this stuff. 0.67
01:18:04.000 I interpret him as pro white, anti mass immigration.
01:18:09.000 He's very friendly with Islam. 1.00
01:18:11.000 That's true.
01:18:12.000 So I don't know where that falls, actually.
01:18:15.000 So, okay.
01:18:16.000 Like he said, he said El Sayed is an America first candidate, and El Sayed wants to abolish ICE and have amnesty.
01:18:22.000 So, what's interesting is.
01:18:22.000 Yeah.
01:18:23.000 Well, and so a lot of this, by the way, What you guys are talking about is a lot of this is predicated also on the popularity of the state of Israel and the relationship between the U.S. and Israel.
01:18:36.000 President Trump, of course, famously came out right before the election, and I think it was the day, the morning of, and said that he was going to, and we talked about it on Tuesday, to cut foreign aid to Israel.
01:18:44.000 And he announced it as a deal with Bibi, which apparently seems to be going through still.
01:18:48.000 And it wasn't just an election thing.
01:18:51.000 And that the question is so if, You have two candidates that are both running, one is independent, one is Democrat, that are super anti Israel, then you are going, you would split that vote.
01:19:05.000 Then you would just split that vote.
01:19:07.000 What's interesting, and it would dilute its impact across the electorate.
01:19:13.000 I'm not saying that anyone should, again, so if you take, what I'm trying to say is if you take one of those single issues and you split it multiple ways, it's very hard to see what impact it's going to have.
01:19:25.000 And that's when other issues, such as, The cost of living, such as the economy, and other things come into play more because you've diluted it.
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01:20:43.000 Well, it's interesting, too, because we can get rid of the names and just have avatars here.
01:20:50.000 But if you, in theory, had a socially conservative but economically liberal candidate or something like that, that would be very interesting to what happened with the Muslim vote. 0.99
01:21:04.000 Because what's interesting is right now, the Muslims just go left. 0.70
01:21:08.000 With Trump Kamala, when they were blaming.
01:21:10.000 Biden and Kamala for the Gaza stuff, they actually split their vote between Trump and Kamala a little bit.
01:21:18.000 This, I mean, Abdullah Al Said got like 90%.
01:21:20.000 But it's also like, because people talked about that in terms of like socially conservative, economically populous, but like, it's how left do you want to go?
01:21:26.000 Because, like, as again, just because people have speculated on Tucker running, Tucker's like suggested we should have like a debt abolition in the country, like wipe out everyone's credit card bills.
01:21:36.000 He's like said that the Maduro regime in Venezuela was like actually a good model.
01:21:41.000 Well, yeah, and listen.
01:21:45.000 I don't know how that would be interpreted by the voters.
01:21:47.000 I also wonder how.
01:21:49.000 I guess the reason I said all that.
01:21:51.000 The reason I said that, all that.
01:21:52.000 And also, these things evolve in on themselves.
01:21:55.000 And so, if what, for example, if something, if one of the, if Massey or Tucker starts running and what separates him from a normal GOP candidate is stuff that they're more to the left of that candidate on, they tend to kind of get more left over time.
01:22:11.000 Yeah, I was going to say, could you, this is what's so fascinating about the example you gave.
01:22:14.000 From Florida.
01:22:15.000 So you got a Democrat versus a former Republican and a Republican.
01:22:18.000 You'd think the two Republicans would split the vote evenly, 25 25 against 50, and the Democrat runs away with it.
01:22:24.000 But what ended up happening is Marco wins, Chris gets way less, and the Democrat gets.
01:22:30.000 And you end up with effectively the Republican people getting like 75% of the vote between them.
01:22:36.000 Yeah, which is crazy.
01:22:37.000 So I'm curious if you did run third party, how much of a chance would they have to actually siphon off some of the Democrats?
01:22:42.000 Like how much of that would happen?
01:22:44.000 Yeah.
01:22:44.000 And it depends on the platform.
01:22:46.000 Yeah.
01:22:47.000 A lot of this also depends on the mood of the country, right?
01:22:49.000 The Tea Party wave in 2010, in that election that we're talking about, was a huge backlash to Obama.
01:22:54.000 It was a backlash to Obamacare.
01:22:56.000 It was, by the way, there was a huge upset, of course, when Marco won on the Tea Party line there running in that primary.
01:23:06.000 The same way it was, by the way, for Ted Cruz, who I believe also won his Senate seat in 2010 in the Tea Party wave.
01:23:13.000 That was started because of the backlash to Obama and started because of the Tea Party pop, which was, of course, the first.
01:23:19.000 Instances of populism that led to the MAGA movement.
01:23:21.000 And so, you know, it's hard to say when these things are going to happen or not.
01:23:28.000 And again, it also goes, it speaks to not just candidate quality, but candidate credibility.
01:23:34.000 That if you're running on something like if you're running as anti war, then people are going to go and look at your past statements and say, Hey, were you always anti war?
01:23:42.000 Does your record actually reflect the things that you are saying now if you've been in public life before?
01:23:47.000 And so there's going to be a lot of that that happens.
01:23:51.000 So, yeah, like in a sense, do the names matter?
01:23:53.000 No, but timing matters.
01:23:55.000 The specific candidate matters.
01:23:57.000 There's so many different things that matter in these cases.
01:23:59.000 And the platforms matter.
01:24:00.000 Yeah, and the platforms matter.
01:24:02.000 I just, I'm curious because, I mean, as a conservative, if you have like sort of.
01:24:06.000 I don't know what you want to call them, like former Republicans or offshoot Republicans running a third party.
01:24:11.000 You just assume that's going to, like, that's going to.
01:24:14.000 So if you're a young man and you've got either a DeSantis or JD being the figurehead on the right, and JD saying, hey, I was against the war, you know, my job was to back the president's policies, and that was my job, and I'm a patriot, so I did my job, but, you know, I shared your skepticism and I fought for peace and I did what I could.
01:24:37.000 Would that be enough?
01:24:38.000 Credibility to bring those kids back.
01:24:40.000 I mean, that's an open question, especially if you're running up against a Thomas Massey that, you know, I think has, you know, credibility on the anti war message, certainly.
01:24:52.000 Because pragmatically, in terms of genuine. 0.98
01:24:56.000 I think that Gen Z is ripe for a third party. 0.99
01:24:59.000 I really do.
01:25:00.000 I think that Gen Z voters are sick of the establishment.
01:25:03.000 I think anti establishmentism is something that really. 0.99
01:25:09.000 You know, that really appeals to them. 0.98
01:25:10.000 Strategically, it makes no sense because then you're, you're, you would see, you're insane. 0.88
01:25:14.000 No, I'm not saying that.
01:25:14.000 I'm just saying that I think that, I don't think you'd win a majority, but I think you could get double digits, which, which then in turn would have impact on the election.
01:25:23.000 Well, if you're right, then it needs to be taken extremely seriously.
01:25:26.000 I'm skeptical of it.
01:25:27.000 I'm skeptical of it on a few points.
01:25:31.000 For one, it actually takes like a lot of work to build up a third party.
01:25:35.000 And there are a lot of practical. 0.99
01:25:37.000 Well, the thing with Gen Z is they're not. 0.99
01:25:38.000 Bobby Kennedy, Bobby Kennedy found this out. 0.96
01:25:40.000 In 2024, there's a lot of practical issues.
01:25:43.000 There's a lot of practical issues, and especially, I'll be frank, especially on the right.
01:25:49.000 We do our very best at like Turning Point, for example, to mobilize those people, but the left takes more naturally to that.
01:25:55.000 Like, they're very good at that decentralized, get everything done to get to like have that activist apparatus. 0.82
01:26:02.000 I wonder how a right coded third party would work for Gen Z.
01:26:06.000 I think they've seen a much, I think certainly on the left, they've already deduced because there was stock.
01:26:11.000 Talk of, oh, let's have an actual Democratic Socialist Party.
01:26:14.000 Some people are registered Democratic Socialists, but they very quickly realized by far the best way to get our agenda is to just go and win Democrat primaries.
01:26:21.000 That's what made it.
01:26:21.000 And by the way, and for the record, for the record, I'm not saying that it's not beatable in any way, because the way you neutralize that is that you, instead of running against them, the way that Republicans decided to try this time around, is that you actually listen to your voting base, you listen to these blocs that made the 2024 coalition in the first place, and you say, What was it that we did wrong?
01:26:45.000 Maybe we shouldn't have demonized young male voters.
01:26:48.000 Maybe we shouldn't have turned them into the avatar of everything that's wrong with society and gone in with, by the way, the same thing the Democrats and the Fortune 500s and so many other people did and actually take young concerns and Gen Z concerns seriously rather than scapegoating them throughout the election.
01:27:06.000 And if you can't do that, you're going to neutralize all of this.
01:27:09.000 I don't think they, like, you got mad about an ad in Arkansas, which we won those races anyway.
01:27:14.000 Uh, Like, I don't know that they scapegoated.
01:27:14.000 Yeah.
01:27:16.000 I think they failed them.
01:27:18.000 I think they did the war in Iran, and that was brutally unpopular.
01:27:20.000 They were literally scapegoated by that ad and actually.
01:27:23.000 Okay, name three other examples.
01:27:26.000 Why name two really big ones?
01:27:27.000 Epstein was a big thing for young people.
01:27:30.000 Yes, Epstein's not scapegoating young people.
01:27:31.000 Yeah, that's true.
01:27:32.000 That was, I mean, and even then, it's like, what would you do there?
01:27:32.000 That was mishandled.
01:27:35.000 Like, who are you going to throw in jail?
01:27:36.000 Like, I think Epstein's thing is terrible and that it was mishandled in terms of the rhetoric they used.
01:27:42.000 And you can't really undo that.
01:27:44.000 And you can't really fix it in any other way.
01:27:46.000 Like, who are you going to throw?
01:27:48.000 Ultimately, I've always said we would love to, if you have evidence that someone abused, molested, harmed in any way, a specific person did that to any other specific person, I think everyone would be happy to have that person go on trial.
01:28:04.000 But instead, it's always been that vague thing of just like, they're protecting them.
01:28:07.000 Who's protecting who?
01:28:09.000 Yeah, I mean, okay.
01:28:11.000 Regardless of what's there, but we're talking about examples where young men.
01:28:16.000 I thought we were talking about examples where young men felt betrayed.
01:28:19.000 Oh, yeah, yeah.
01:28:20.000 But you were being more specific about young men being scapegoated or something?
01:28:24.000 Yeah, I guess. 0.70
01:28:25.000 I mean, it was like the burrito gate, and then.
01:28:28.000 You heard it over and over.
01:28:29.000 Over and over.
01:28:30.000 I got it smashed in my face, I'll tell you.
01:28:32.000 But then it was like. 0.94
01:28:33.000 Got a burrito smashed in your face.
01:28:35.000 What's that?
01:28:36.000 I just don't think they were let down. 0.99
01:28:38.000 They literally made a fucking young. 1.00
01:28:41.000 White men playing video games and like eating cheese doodles. 1.00
01:28:45.000 Okay, yes. 0.91
01:28:46.000 That's one ad.
01:28:47.000 That's one ad, and the ad's not even that flipping bad.
01:28:50.000 I'm sympathetic to Blake's point here, but I'm sympathetic to your argument.
01:28:53.000 You were just mad it wasn't a black woman in the ad.
01:28:55.000 So what?
01:28:56.000 No, no.
01:28:57.000 What they should have done is.
01:28:58.000 No, I'm not.
01:28:58.000 Oh, okay.
01:28:59.000 Like now who's the libtard? 1.00
01:29:00.000 No, no, no. 0.96
01:29:01.000 No, you are the libtard, Jack. 1.00
01:29:03.000 You're mad? 1.00
01:29:04.000 They put a person in an ad who looks like me, and I'm upset.
01:29:04.000 Whoa, wow.
01:29:08.000 I'm mad that they demonized voters and those voters didn't show up for us.
01:29:12.000 Like, That's how you attract people.
01:29:14.000 That's how you attract people.
01:29:16.000 No one in these polls is saying, I voted against the right because they scapegoated young men.
01:29:21.000 They're saying because they didn't deliver for me.
01:29:22.000 Yeah, because they didn't show up.
01:29:23.000 That stuff is unaffordable.
01:29:24.000 That they did a war that I thought they weren't going to do. 0.96
01:29:27.000 In some cases, because they protected the Epstein class. 0.94
01:29:30.000 Literally the whole point of the Anakin meme. 0.77
01:29:32.000 Literally the entire point of the meme.
01:29:33.000 Okay.
01:29:34.000 And guess what?
01:29:34.000 The Anakin meme didn't really matter that much.
01:29:36.000 The Anakin meme is a fake, it's like a viral thing on X that went viral for a few years.
01:29:40.000 You know what's interesting, though, is the.
01:29:44.000 That's what I found so fascinating about DeSantis coming out.
01:29:47.000 So he goes straight on Laura Ingram.
01:29:49.000 He goes, I would have been in favor of nuking the filibuster if I had any faith that they were going to do something big and bold.
01:29:56.000 And as soon as he said that, I was like, dude, that's the biggest problem.
01:29:59.000 That is totally right. 1.00
01:30:01.000 Because they didn't get rid of H 1Bs. 1.00
01:30:03.000 They didn't do immigration. 1.00
01:30:04.000 They didn't get the SAVE Act done.
01:30:06.000 So it was like a confluence of multiple problems.
01:30:09.000 But I do think that, yeah, ultimately it was like the electorate swinging wildly back and forth because they're waiting for somebody to do something.
01:30:17.000 Third party thing, one thing I think that's really interesting that happened is as far as people feeling betrayed, there is a lot of people just aggressively lying about what the administration did.
01:30:17.000 Getting it back to that.
01:30:27.000 And this is something that's very frustrating that came out of, for example, Tucker World.
01:30:30.000 Tucker would say that they have stopped deporting people, stopped deporting illegals, and he said that legal immigration is higher than ever.
01:30:38.000 Those are two things he said over the summer.
01:30:40.000 And I was like, we're both false.
01:30:41.000 In fact, legal immigration has crashed.
01:30:44.000 And so it was routine to hear.
01:30:46.000 We would talk to those students, and they would be like, they've done nothing about H 1Bs.
01:30:50.000 Literally false.
01:30:51.000 The number of H, they're trying to impose like a $100,000 fee for H 1Bs, the number of people getting approved.
01:30:57.000 The judge shut that down, right?
01:30:58.000 Even then, they're trying to do it and like it gummed up the entire process because you're not filing applications.
01:31:03.000 Like even stuff that's been struck down by courts has massively slowed down legal immigration to this country because it introduced uncertainty.
01:31:11.000 And it's kind of just remarkable.
01:31:13.000 There is definitely a real messaging issue.
01:31:16.000 So the question is can we win back the trust without a third party?
01:31:20.000 And the answer has to be yes if we're going to win.
01:31:22.000 Yeah.
01:31:24.000 The answer has to be 100%.
01:31:25.000 And that means, Jack, the things that you're expressing, like whether they're, you know, whether there's three instances or one or two, are factually important.
01:31:37.000 Like, young men do feel alienated, they do feel villainized, and they want somebody to fight for them.
01:31:42.000 So, I agree with that.
01:31:44.000 And you could certainly add, by the way, Vivek Ramaswamy's tweet, which we talked about.
01:31:49.000 Yeah, that's true.
01:31:50.000 That was the Saved by the Bill tweet.
01:31:52.000 Which one?
01:31:52.000 Okay.
01:31:53.000 But that wasn't specifically Gen Z, that was just like all Americans.
01:31:56.000 Okay. 0.98
01:31:57.000 Like, yeah, it was bad.
01:31:59.000 Yeah, that was bad.
01:32:00.000 That happened before the inauguration.
01:32:01.000 I remember when that tweet went out, and I remember Charlie's reaction to it.
01:32:06.000 He was very worried about that tweet.
01:32:09.000 It's not great.
01:32:09.000 It was not great.
01:32:11.000 It's a tick that a lot of people fall into, but I don't think this election was decided by young Americans lazy.
01:32:18.000 I don't think Gen Z was called a co op.
01:32:19.000 He said young Americans lazy.
01:32:21.000 Okay.
01:32:21.000 He said young Americans spend too much time watching Save by the Bell, not watching Save by the Bell, doing sleepovers and playing video games than studying, and they should be glorifying Screech.
01:32:34.000 And not Zach Morris.
01:32:35.000 I have to admit, I think Burrito Gate might have been the best example of that, Jack.
01:32:41.000 No, it's just even.
01:32:42.000 You should start that debate.
01:32:43.000 But it's like, even Burrito Gate is not like.
01:32:45.000 Even Burrito Gate was not like vilifying young people.
01:32:48.000 It was like, it was trying to remind people we are supposed to be conservatives.
01:32:52.000 We are supposed to believe in virtue.
01:32:53.000 Like, you know who actually would say totally Burrito Gate type stuff?
01:32:57.000 Charlie, all the time.
01:32:59.000 It takes skill to finesse it.
01:33:00.000 But Charlie would say there's a lot of tough stuff.
01:33:02.000 Guess what?
01:33:02.000 You should also be able to overcome it.
01:33:04.000 Because you are a young man.
01:33:06.000 The culture is hostile to you.
01:33:08.000 You think America doesn't have opportunity, but America has tons of opportunity.
01:33:11.000 He would tell you that.
01:33:12.000 There's a lot of stuff about how you word things, but to just basically get angry when people say, hey guys, America has problems, but it also has a lot of opportunities, and you should be able to take advantage of them.
01:33:25.000 It's a subtle thing.
01:33:26.000 Did you ever watch Glenn Gary, Glenn Ross?
01:33:28.000 Yeah.
01:33:29.000 You know, the opening, the always be closing thing?
01:33:31.000 There's two ways you can always react to that, and there's two ways people do react to that, because he's saying, Always be closing, you know.
01:33:37.000 Hey, I closed in all these deals. 1.00
01:33:38.000 I drove here in a BMW, and you know, you suck. 0.99
01:33:40.000 You're not making any sales. 0.99
01:33:42.000 There's two ways a person can respond to that.
01:33:43.000 They can go, Oh, wow, Alec Baldwin is being really mean to them.
01:33:48.000 And that sounds like a horrible place to work. 0.97
01:33:51.000 And oh, that would suck so bad. 0.73
01:33:53.000 Or you can be like, Yeah, you're right. 0.63
01:33:55.000 Let's go out there.
01:33:56.000 Let's sell real estate.
01:33:57.000 I want to have a BMW.
01:33:58.000 I want to have a watch.
01:33:59.000 I'm an awesome salesman.
01:34:00.000 I want to win that contest.
01:34:02.000 There's two types of people who can react to that.
01:34:04.000 And it is entirely a doable thing to cultivate that.
01:34:08.000 The subtlety is a lot of people, like in Burrito Gate, it's when they react to basically go, I'm so smart and I did it so correctly.
01:34:08.000 And I think.
01:34:17.000 And like, here's why I was smarter than you.
01:34:20.000 There's a lot of smugness that goes into it.
01:34:22.000 And you always have to leave out the smugness.
01:34:24.000 And that is where Charlie was good, that he was never smug about it.
01:34:27.000 But it's absolutely viable to challenge people and say, there are difficult things, but there's actually tremendous amounts of opportunity out here.
01:34:35.000 There's tremendous ways that we can make this country better.
01:34:38.000 And they're not derailed by the fact.
01:34:39.000 That a burrito is expensive.
01:34:40.000 Yeah, I think that's fair.
01:34:43.000 Jack, we're at 90 minutes now.
01:34:45.000 It's time to say goodbye for.
01:34:47.000 I'd like to respond if that's all possible.
01:34:49.000 I was just going to say, final word to you, and then I'll just.
01:34:51.000 Yeah, because Charlie didn't just say, like, suck it up and pull yourself up by your bootstraps.
01:34:56.000 He actually spent a lot of time laying out specific policies that the government could do, the party could run on.
01:35:03.000 Talking about, yes, it was one of his last big pushes, talking about housing, talking about the severe debt crisis.
01:35:10.000 That so many millennials and Gen Z have.
01:35:12.000 He talked about a lot of very specific policies related to these issues.
01:35:16.000 So, no, he didn't just say pull yourself up by your bootstraps.
01:35:19.000 We literally laid out a series of policies that the Republicans could run on, and we didn't.
01:35:26.000 And we just didn't listen.
01:35:28.000 Yeah.
01:35:28.000 Well, yeah, I think that's true too.
01:35:31.000 I think what we don't want to be is a movement of complainers and victims.
01:35:37.000 We want to be victors, but we also have to be honest about the fact there are certain structural things that need to be fixed to make things just even on par with boomers, Gen X, millennials. 0.82
01:35:48.000 So I think both things can be true.
01:35:49.000 This was fascinating.
01:35:51.000 I had a great time.
01:35:51.000 Don't demonize people when you're trying to win their votes.
01:35:54.000 Just, you know, fucking crazy. 0.98
01:35:55.000 Yeah, no, that's, I think there's validity on both sides. 0.98
01:35:59.000 Sorry, if you want to.
01:36:00.000 No, no, it's just like, this was like, I don't like reducing it to victimization because the problem was an actual political failure to deliver.
01:36:08.000 Yes, I agree with that.
01:36:10.000 Nobody was telling us I'm not voting for you because I saw an ad that I just saw.
01:36:13.000 It's a persuasion fail.
01:36:14.000 Yeah.
01:36:15.000 It's talking about money was spent on an ad.
01:36:19.000 Well, here's what I did.
01:36:19.000 Jack, I get it.
01:36:20.000 You don't like that ad.
01:36:21.000 No one.
01:36:22.000 I brought up that ad other than you guys complaining about it on X.
01:36:25.000 So hold on.
01:36:26.000 Really?
01:36:26.000 Nobody brought that up?
01:36:27.000 No.
01:36:28.000 No, it was a big viral thing.
01:36:30.000 It was a viral thing on X.
01:36:31.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:36:32.000 No, it wasn't.
01:36:33.000 It was all over the media.
01:36:34.000 It was literally all over the media.
01:36:36.000 Sarah got asked about it multiple times.
01:36:38.000 This is why this is. 0.98
01:36:41.000 Both things are really actually very true.
01:36:43.000 And I'm not just trying to be a peacekeeper here.
01:36:45.000 I'm saying when you have part of the movement, because remember, we ran into this in the Senate with 53 senators, right?
01:36:52.000 We couldn't get all of the cats herded in the same direction.
01:36:56.000 Like, if you don't win a basic argument on this, that there's not ultimately going to be the political will to achieve real change legislatively.
01:37:06.000 And I think that's ultimately why we ran into a buzzsaw with the Senate, because you have different people singing off different song sheets, different political eras, and different political leanings, because it's just the way it is.
01:37:18.000 We got to wrap it up for our studio, folks.
01:37:20.000 This was awesome.
01:37:21.000 Jack, take us home.
01:37:24.000 Ladies and gentlemen, as always, go out there and commit more.
01:37:26.000 Thought crime.
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