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00:01:41.000Ladies and gentlemen, welcome aboard Human Events.
00:01:46.000Today's edition of Thought Crime Thursday.
00:01:48.000I didn't realize we were going to be playing the Nirvana Anakin meme to start everything off, but I think that's kind of where we are.
00:01:58.000And for anyone who has no idea what the Anakin meme or the Anakin Skywalker meme is all about, we are set to explain it here on the show.
00:02:07.000And of course, we'll be going through all things related to.
00:02:12.000The midterms and the historic, historic loss for the Republicans, but perhaps, perhaps a loss that creates some opportunity at the same time.
00:02:25.000We're not going to dwell on it all night, but we do have to address it a little bit up front.
00:02:29.000And help me do that, of course, where you're joined by the great Andrew Colvett and Blake Deff.
00:03:03.000It's kind of like a good meme is like a good joke where it hits at something pretty profoundly true, which is what makes it funnier, which is what makes it more resonant.
00:03:12.000And what's interesting is people's reaction to it because.
00:03:16.000You know, they're saying, but Anakin is the bad guy.
00:03:18.000And it's like, well, no, actually, Anakin, before he went to the dark side, was the good guy.
00:03:23.000He was getting incredibly frustrated about stuff.
00:03:45.000And, um, You know, but looking into it, like, I do think that one of the big things that here on Thought Crime we certainly have to address, and I threw this tweet up.
00:03:54.000Andrew, I was thinking to you when I posted it is, hey guys, maybe the price of burritos actually did matter after all, because I sure remember a whole lot of people telling us and telling you specifically, Andrew, that it didn't matter at all.
00:04:08.000You would have thought that I betrayed the Republic by mentioning that burritos were too expensive.
00:04:15.000You know, like, people were really mad at me.
00:05:10.000How'd that argument work out on Tuesday?
00:05:12.000And by the way, it's not that I don't find credence in the fact that young people probably do too much, you know, was it DoorDash and things like that.0.88
00:05:21.000Of course, like you can eat cheaply and you should try to and you should try to live within your means.0.51
00:05:30.000But, Andrew, what folks like that and the neocons and so many people, what they all missed was that we weren't specifically, and you weren't specifically, and the person you talked to specifically weren't just talking about burritos.
00:05:45.000You were talking about the cost of food.
00:05:48.000Yeah, it was a totem for a larger issue.
00:05:49.000And it became the stand in for so many other things that were going on.
00:05:54.000And many of the same things, by the way, that we all said in 2024 about Joe Biden, and many of the same things that we ran on.
00:06:04.000And when you brought that up from a right wing perspective, or I think the week after that is when I went off on Kevin O'Leary for his Rolex worship and started another firestorm, I was just kind of making the broader point that this is driving young, number one, driving young people away.
00:06:26.000Number two, driving young people into the arms, in many cases, into the arms of the left.
00:06:32.000And number three, if we don't do anything about this, just like Charlie warned us, We are going to get a socialist revolution.
00:06:40.000And boy, oh boy, did we get one on election night.
00:06:44.000And so, you know, I was thinking about these results and I was going back over some of the stuff that we've talked about here on Thought Crime.
00:06:49.000And I was like, man, we really did actually address these issues.
00:06:53.000And in every single instance of it, we were told to shut up.
00:07:51.000But I just think the biggest thing is that if you look at the pro life polls, they ask you how much do these different issues matter?
00:08:00.000And if you said immigration mattered a lot, and you can take that either way, you could say, I care a lot about immigration because I'm pro amnesty or whatever.
00:08:07.000But we overwhelmingly won those people.
00:08:26.000And we won on the immigration question.
00:08:28.000And Blake, so that was actually something that I remember when we were doing the simulcast with Piers and you and him got into it and you defended yourself aptly, but we didn't have all the data in yet.
00:09:52.000This election was an endorsement of basically do good things and don't do stupid things.0.99
00:09:58.000And I think if we just don't do stupid things, we're actually in a great spot.0.99
00:10:01.000It would be much worse if this was like if you had the Bush level wipeout.0.98
00:10:05.000The Bush wipeout in 2006 and 2008 was really bad in part because it was a total repudiation of the policies that George W. Bush was doing.
00:10:14.000Because Bush really 100% owned the Iraq war to an insane degree, like ran, you know, basically kind of ran on it in 2004 and it went south.
00:11:20.000I didn't have the team pull this because I don't think they knew I was going to go here, but it says, This is what he says.
00:11:25.000If JD Vance cannot bring himself to say that Trump made the right decision to disarm Iran, he has no business seeking the GOP nomination to succeed him.
00:11:35.000If Vance can't endorse Trump's national security policy, Trump Should not endorse him.
00:11:56.000But the point is, did he not read it where they literally chart the whole of this year, starting in February and March, watching the polling slowly get farther and farther apart?
00:13:28.000If you can build that credibility up, our ideas and our policies, I believe, are still winning and are winning electorally.
00:13:36.000What pains me, what does pain me, and what will be a struggle, and it's why I think we need a strong reaction to this, because we're talking about what we should do now, is that it's a little different from merely a policy error.
00:13:48.000It's that they feel, with the No New Wars thing, embarrassed and lied to and like totally misled.
00:13:58.000It was that it came within this angle of, Wow, there was that old GOP and they cheerleaded all these wars, but Trump is the guy who finally has the credibility that he's the Republican who's not going to fall for the dumb new war zop.0.98
00:14:10.000And then he fell for a dumb new war zop.0.95
00:14:12.000And they're going to think, wow, fell for it a second time.0.99
00:14:16.000They're never going to get me a third time.
00:14:17.000It could take, I'll be honest, a decade plus before you have someone with the credibility to push against it.
00:14:26.000So there were a few, there certainly were a few weird things about that.
00:14:32.000One of which was that they talked about how they were like taking credit for shutting down immigration enforcement, at least visibly in the beginning and part of the year.
00:14:42.000And yet we know from the polling, like I just said, immigration enforcement was the main thing that we won on.
00:14:49.000And so I just, I don't really know how to square that with what we see in the polling on that one.
00:14:55.000And then the second part was it's like, guys, if you know that this is the main issue.
00:15:02.000You know, you need to tell somebody or you need to run some ads on it.
00:15:20.000I mean, listen, I think if, okay, just to play devil's advocate with the immigration thing, I think what the, and this was true, we were getting clobbered on immigration during Renee Good and Alex Pretty.
00:15:31.000That, Effectively, it was spun by the left wing media apparatus and Democrats as, like, oh, they're going through the streets, kamikaze missions, killing Americans.
00:15:47.000I think that if, even if we were getting hammered on that, I was just talking to someone who had the interesting thought let's say the administration maybe, maybe all they did is they made them take the masks off or something, but they otherwise just said, we're still doing maximum hard immigration enforcement everywhere.
00:16:02.000That might have been a better outcome for the midterms, even if that proved unpopular.
00:16:45.000I didn't say all enforcement because I don't agree with people who say that there isn't any enforcement because obviously we've seen that.
00:16:50.000But when you took away the optics of it, and you could change the optics, you could do a number of things, sure, fine.
00:16:56.000But the point is when they took away the visibility that removed it from the spectrum of, this is fourth generation, fifth generation warfare, okay?
00:17:06.000So you have to understand that optics do play a part.
00:17:09.000It left that front of mind where it was for so many people.
00:17:12.000And by the way, remember the crazy protesters that were out there?
00:17:17.000And even though, as we know, it led to those incidents, which were horrific, we didn't see the crazies out from the left.
00:17:25.000And that's, again, a reminder of who these people are and who just got voted for.
00:17:30.000Yeah, well, I do think that from a polling standpoint, we probably did lose.
00:17:35.000It started to become a losing issue, just at least for a while.
00:17:40.000You know, a guy who took a lot of incoming and I actually had a lot of belief in was Secretary Mullen.
00:17:45.000I actually thought that, you know, he's going to, he's not grassroots in the sense that he understands how the base intuitively feels about this stuff, but he's directionally right enough.
00:17:55.000And he's a hard worker, he brings a lot of energy, and he's gonna be good at working with people.
00:18:00.000And I actually believe the key to getting the numbers up is getting more and more jurisdictions to work with the admin to get more deportations.1.00
00:18:07.000And the one thing that I will say, though, is we should definitely go harder and we should cut off the financial systems for the illegals.0.98
00:18:17.000If you do that, then you will absolutely, and you make a couple of really big examples, like high profile examples of businesses that are running a lot of illegal immigrant labor.1.00
00:18:29.000You don't have to get them all, but you basically put the fear of God into all of them.0.76
00:18:33.000You will get self deportations out the yin yang.0.92
00:19:01.000Any of the remittances that are going to these countries and do everything you can that you can't allow them to get access to housing, to get access to education, all of these different things that allow the illegals to stay in America.0.97
00:19:14.000And by the way, I love the fact that finally just a few months ago, because there was this MOU, which is so crazy that there wasn't one already, between ICE and TSA, where now they're picking up people who are visa overstays when they're flying on domestic flights in between the country.
00:19:46.000It's frustrating because a big part of it, we've always said, I think by far the easiest way to sell immigration enforcement is yeah, you arrest a few business owners running all illegal jobs.
00:19:55.000And factories like this, farm operations.
00:20:05.000You'll probably have some other horrifying labor violation.0.92
00:20:08.000So you can frog march that business owner you arrested, and you can also have the profile like, oh, these guys were living in shacks with no AC and they had to work 12 hours a day.
00:20:50.000His response was absolutely brilliant.
00:20:52.000Well, it was prescient and unfortunately really, really spot on where he said, Well, then I thought we could do this at least for a little while.
00:20:59.000I thought we could actually enforce our immigration laws for a little while, but I guess we don't.
00:21:28.000And the roofers at that convention were probably driving really nice cars, have really nice houses, and they were able to charge insurance companies a lot and up their margins by hiring illegals.0.99
00:21:39.000You know, the other thing that's really interesting about this, I will say, And I know, Jack, you're going to have a lot of thoughts on this.
00:21:48.000It's been interesting to see DeSantis kind of come out and he's sounding a lot of the right notes, you know.
00:21:55.000But I really do think it's going to be interesting because I think there is a temptation in this moment right now to underestimate how much sway President Trump still has with the base, right?
00:22:07.000You could argue he's been diminished by this election and all this stuff.
00:22:10.000But there is a big chunk of the conservative movement that is going to be devoted to Trump until he's out of office.
00:22:18.000So, you've got to be very, very strategic about how you levy your criticisms of the admin and some of the decisions that have been made.
00:22:28.000And so, it'll be interesting to watch that play out as it becomes increasingly clear that DeSantis has eyes on 28.
00:22:35.000I think it's actually probably, arguably, a smarter way to go if you're JD, because he's proven that he can kind of message differently than President Trump, but he kind of still has.
00:22:49.000He has his own messaging, but he's still doing it by saying, even President Trump agrees with me.
00:23:09.000Well, if he's going to do it, he should at least be honest.
00:23:13.000And that's what I was saying the other night when he started saying that, oh, yo, I've always been an Iran Roar critic, which is just not true.0.95
00:26:38.000So, like, my state, Pennsylvania is going to.
00:26:40.000So, like, Pennsylvania is going to lose.
00:26:42.000Like, this plays a huge role, I think, in some of the states because you've got states like my state of Pennsylvania, New York, others that became less red just by people voting with their feet and then moving south to places like Texas, like the Sun Belt, like Florida.
00:26:58.000Now, obviously, this played, you know, this was not blunted in Texas, but that was for a lot of other structural issues.
00:27:07.000And so you've got these areas now where we're going to be losing.
00:27:12.000Electoral votes up north, and the entire Sun Belt is going to be gaining those electoral votes come 2030.
00:27:18.000That's why holding the White House in 28 is so important because whoever's the president is going to be in charge of that census going into the 2032 election.
00:27:27.000Well, Jack, none of this is making leftists any saner.
00:27:34.000They are spiking the football, they are mocking Hassan Piker, saying we're going to jail you all.
00:27:42.000And then right before we went on, this clip started going viral.
00:28:11.000Here's what we could do because we promised people 30 minutes ago that we would do this.
00:28:16.000And where we can tie this in is the question of young men.
00:28:20.000And this has been the topic of so, and we said it on election night, and we need to bring it up again now that young men under, so the GOP lost every category under 65 in terms of age groups.
00:28:36.000And everyone 45 and under, like either, and when people see the swing, right, they say, oh, they swung left, they swung left.
00:28:44.000It's not just that, it's the participation rate, the turnout rate for young Republicans, specifically young Republican men, was so high.
00:28:53.000And it was low because you had Republican Senate candidates and Republican governors coming out attacking young men, slandering them, saying that they're just a bunch of bums who live on welfare and sit at home and play video games.0.58
00:29:07.000And young men have been responding through something called the Anakin meme that we just referenced at the start of this.
00:29:16.000Blake, do you want to explain the Vatican meme?
00:29:31.000So, the idea is basically obviously, even if the films weren't very good, the Star Wars prequels are by far the most powerful, mimetic, cultural object in existence.
00:29:42.000You can watch those movies, they're all bad.
00:29:44.000And yet, if you're a millennial or younger, everyone knows every line from the film.
00:29:50.000I think the secret is they're bad, but they're bad movies in the most interesting possible way.
00:29:55.000It's actually a lot like Donald Trump.
00:29:56.000It's like if Donald Trump was making a movie.
00:30:26.000It's that Luke Skywalker is the prototypical boomer, a young man who's just handed new opportunities and he's like, Immediately gets to like take over an entire organization and like saves the galaxy.
00:30:37.000Zero experience, handed an X-Wing, blows up the Death Star.
00:30:41.000Anakin, they're like, You have the highest mid-chlorion count ever.
00:30:44.000You're the most talented person to ever live.
00:30:48.000And they're like, But you know, we're actually not allowed to go to Jedi University because we're doing affirmative action for kids who have lower mid-chlorion counts.
00:30:57.000And we're not going to let you on the Jedi Council, even though you're our best fighter and our most talented Jedi guy.
00:31:02.000And he finally says, And we're not going to help you save your wife.
00:31:04.000Your wife's probably just going to die.
00:31:05.000And he finally says, Screw everything.0.88
00:31:14.000I don't know if we're actually explaining it the best way, though.
00:31:16.000It's like, it's basically so that, yes, in a longer sense, the shortest way to put it, I think, is that in the way that Anakin is incredibly talented, has all the stats off the charts, and then he goes to the Jedi Council and says, I would like, I've passed all your tests.
00:31:37.000They say he has a higher, you know, Force power than even Yoda himself.
00:31:42.000And then the Jedi Council says, You are not allowed because of DEI and all these other reasons.
00:31:48.000And there's a lot of young men saying that this is reflective of the white male experience in America and particularly has resonance with millennials and Gen Z.
00:32:00.000And a lot of the memes have come up because of this.
00:32:02.000And specifically, they talk about how one of the things is that Anakin isn't allowed to get married, yet other people on the Jedi Council are allowed to get married.
00:32:29.000I mean, in some ways, I feel even more connected to Anakin now than I ever have just because I'm older and, you know, I can sort of, you know, understand his struggles in a deeper way.
00:32:45.000We need a system where the Politicians sit down and discuss the problem.
00:32:49.000What's in the best interest of all the people, and then do it.
00:33:27.000So the idea is more, I think, focused on that the Jedi are this corrupt, soft, weak, old, pathetic republic that is forcing fake rules on all of society.0.99
00:33:44.000And that's why society has become so decadent and corrupt because they are decadent and corrupt.0.98
00:33:50.000And then Anakin comes along and is like, we need to.
00:33:54.000We need to get rid of all this because everything's falling apart and we're like losing a war.
00:33:58.000And they tell him, No, no, we have to keep following the rules.
00:34:49.000They didn't say go manage a Panda Express.
00:34:51.000The message of it is if Panda Express is offering $100,000 for people to manage them, that is a strong sign that there's actually a shortage of people doing jobs in the economy.
00:35:17.000I don't think it's about, I think that what it ultimately comes down to is the fact that Obi-Wan is like a good stand-in for kind of a like boomer con, for lack of a better term.
00:35:27.000Yeah, so like I just love the one, like number six.
00:35:55.000I mean, it's even like in the actual film, Obi Wan is like, my allegiance is to the Republic, to democracy, Anakin.0.97
00:36:02.000And it's like, it always feels very impotent because, like, the Republic sucks and it's filled with, like, Losers, and it's not very effective at the emperor.0.98
00:36:15.000It's just very easy to inject as Anakin, as like the supremely talented young white guy, that everything in American politics revolves around.
00:36:23.000Wait, wait, we should read this one for the guys listening.
00:36:28.000This is right when he's like pleading with Anakin to return to the Republic, and they're about to have their big lightsaber fight in the volcano planet.
00:36:39.000I understand the anger you have towards the Sand People for killing your mother, but imagine how bland the food would be on Tatooine without them.0.52
00:36:59.000And Blake, correct me if I'm wrong, because I'm going off of memory on this.
00:37:03.000But isn't there a whole thing where he has a vision of his mother being killed and he tries to get the Jedi Council to do something about it and they tell him no?
00:37:11.000No, that's just something other people bring up.
00:37:14.000It's that, oh, I guess at the start, he's worried because his mom is still a slave on Tatooine and they never bothered to go back.
00:38:26.000And like, what's funny is they did it with Harry Potter too.
00:38:28.000Remember the libs would call themselves Dumbledore's Army?
00:38:30.000Or it was libs in the bureaucracy in DC.
00:38:32.000They called themselves Dumbledore's Army.
00:38:34.000And we loved a joke, you know, read another book.
00:38:37.000And now it's like, I think all of the memes of this past fall were Star Wars memes and like that Malphoid thing where they would take Draco Malphoid and make him a girl.
00:38:45.000And I guess that was a right wing meme.
00:39:11.000And I was like, well, they made the good guys are all this DEI, we didn't have the word for that back then, coalition, and the bad guys are all white men.0.96
00:39:21.000And then in 2016, I did hashtag dump Star Wars.
00:39:26.000And I got Ryan Johnson, who became the infamous director of The Last Jedi, which really just almost pretty much destroyed the Star Wars movies as a franchise to the point where nobody even references them anymore.
00:39:38.000I'm talking about the Disney sequels now.
00:39:40.000Where I said that this guy is going to ruin Star Wars and pointed out that the writers of Rogue One were, as you say, running around in the wake of the Trump election saying, oh, well, in our film, the Empire represents Donald Trump and they have this character who's basically like, Supposed to be based on Trump, and they were putting like this little resistance flag in their Twitter bios and stuff.
00:40:03.000And this was, you know, it's been a long time coming.
00:41:12.000So I get why this is making some people uncomfortable because, like, you don't.
00:41:16.000We don't actually endorse going to the dark side.
00:41:19.000What I endorse is how this illuminates the real angst and anger of young white men and young men in general that have been villainized in this culture.
00:41:29.000And, you know, they felt like Trump was the chosen one, right?
00:43:54.000Speaking of Cray Cray, California, now they have throuples are legal in West Hollywood, which, if you've ever been to West Hollywood, should not surprise you.
00:44:06.000California City makes history allowing thrupples, foursomes, to legally register as partners.
00:44:11.000My question I haven't read the article.
00:44:13.000Does this mean they actually get legal insurance?
00:44:18.000And if somebody's dying, my guess is since it's only a city and that's almost always state law that governs it, it's probably pretty limited.
00:44:46.000Jack, I was credibly told by the pro LGBTQ lobby or whatever they were at the time that this was just because this was not going to become polyamory.
00:44:59.000This was not going to slippery slope into anything else, Jack.0.58
00:45:02.000It was just because people didn't have the right to love each other.
00:45:06.000Every single social conservative who fought in defense of traditional marriage predicted this.
00:45:14.000When they were up at the time, if you go back to the 2000s and the debates when this was raging, it was the case Blake was like Lawrence v. Texas, I think, was a big one in terms of this and a number of them.
00:45:28.000They said, if you open marriage and the definition of what marriage is in society up from the objective, traditional, classic view of marriage to sort of whatever anyone's truth of a marriage is. is, because that's what they did.
00:45:46.000They changed around the definition of a word and didn't put it up to votes in many of these cases, that what would end up happening is that any sort of thing could be considered a marriage.
00:46:00.000And it would be enshrined in law, which includes giving health care access, which means that if you're in California, you have to pay for this now.
00:47:24.000Uh, are one thing the crime was part of a larger like societal decay that started in the 1960s, yeah.
00:47:31.000But it was like New York was like one of the worst cases, yeah.
00:47:34.000It was back, I mean, New York's the top, but that's not the point Andrew's making.
00:47:37.000That's not the point that Andrew's making.
00:47:38.000I don't know what the rate, I think the New York peaked at about 2,000 murderers in a year, which is about 10 times what it is these days.
00:47:45.000Um, it's also and keep in mind that that it's also a different type of you know, it's also a different like like a lot of that was at in like outer boroughs.
00:47:55.000It's different from today where you just have like wanton violence everywhere.
00:47:59.000Well, I mean, actually, I don't think so.
00:48:32.000When people talk about why demographic change can be bad, they usually mean, like, among other things, that it can lead to your city or location being more third world.
00:48:41.000And New York was vastly more third world in the 80s, which is kind of a white pill because it shows that there's a lot of things that affect this.0.85
00:48:48.000Otherwise, it's more third world now.0.77
00:49:35.000You know, that's actually a really good point.
00:49:36.000Murders is the one thing that, like, It doesn't matter who does it or where, they're going to at least report it because it's a dead person.
00:49:42.000I mean, it's kind of funny to think about how bad New York was because people love Home Alone, too, Lost in New York.
00:49:47.000It's a good Christmas movie and it's a lot of good New York Americana.
00:49:51.000And that film is basically the apex of how bad New York was in terms of murder rape.
00:49:56.000And Macaulay Culk is just hanging out.
00:51:07.000It's like all these parts of New York that are 110% gentrified now and you associate with being nice were huge dumps, really trashy, really disgusting, and yeah, a lot of crime.
00:51:36.000Microplastics are becoming too much of a problem to ignore.
00:51:40.000They're in 94% of U.S. drinking water, 94%, 90% of our meat and seafood, and the average American inhales get this 68,000 microplastic particles.
00:51:54.000The EPA recently decided not to include microplastics in the next nationwide drinking water monitoring program, meaning we likely won't have updated data for years.
00:52:05.000Even as microplastic exposure continues to rise, scientists have already found microplastics in our blood, our arteries, and even our brains.
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00:53:43.000Listen, I think that both things are probably a little bit true, right?0.65
00:53:46.000Like the crime was probably segregated.
00:53:49.000New York, New York, Manhattan definitely was a little bit more seedy, but I also think that like Times Square was a tourist trap, but it was a seedy tourist trap.
00:54:30.000Yeah, Taylor Marshall got, our good friend, Dr. Taylor Marshall, had tweeted about this recently.
00:54:38.000You know, recently, maybe a couple of months ago or so.
00:54:40.000And similar to your burrito tweet, he got into this huge Twitter battle with like Matty Iglesias and a bunch of other douchebags, these like neo-lib douchebags, saying that because he said like the Sandlot world doesn't exist anymore.
00:54:55.000And they were like, What are you talking about?
00:55:13.000I was just telling my wife about this the other day that when I was growing up in Naristown, which is the Philly area, that I could, when I was like seven, eight years old, like I could walk a couple of streets away and go to my nana's house because that's where my nana lived.
00:55:39.000And yet, a lot of kids are free range.
00:55:41.000People complained about it, but it's because parents just don't raise their kids to do that anymore.
00:55:44.000Yeah, I think, I will say, I'm in a neighborhood in Phoenix that I do see a lot of like, but they're a little older than I was, but they're still out.
00:55:52.000I mean, a lot of the decline, some of the decline is just that there's fewer kids.
00:55:57.000Well, there's fewer kids, but a lot of it is also just parents choose to be fearful, even though there's very little to be scared of.
00:56:01.000As an example, people will often cite concerns about safety for why their kids shouldn't trick or treat.
00:56:07.000Your kids have zero danger trick or treating.
00:57:07.000What, like, you know, and I'll speak out on this because what I was going to say at the end of that was the town where I'm from, Narasim PA, that where I just said those streets where I used to walk down and, you know, my mom would let us go out, ride bikes, go rollerblading, whatever, go to my nana's house.
00:57:25.000Say, go to Diana's house, see you later.
00:57:27.000And we would just walk down, my brother and I.
00:57:29.000I mean, the amount of crime and murder and insane violence with Mexican trafficking gangs getting into shootouts in parts of our town now, it is an absolute hellhole.
00:57:41.000And I would use stronger language if this was otherwise.0.74
00:57:45.000Manhattan is like the wrong example because Manhattan is so densely populated and there's so many people walking around all the time.
00:57:54.000I was just there for that News Nation thing and I was actually really curious how it was going to feel on the streets.
00:59:06.000Join these freaking polycules or be okay with your boyfriend or whoever being in them.0.89
00:59:12.000If you expect, yeah, if you expect like monogamous, you know, monogamous heterosexual relationship with someone, you're so behind the times, you don't get it.0.92
00:59:21.000But as Zuzu points out, that is who's fighting for it now.1.00
00:59:25.000But it also totally paves the way for Muslims.1.00
00:59:28.000Remember, the Prophet allows you to have up to four wives and, of course, an unlimited number of sex men.0.97
00:59:33.000And for women, they didn't change their theology either.
00:59:36.000It's always the only people you can still have multiple wives in.0.99
00:59:40.000Fully Sharia compliant places, Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia, it has only ever been westernizing modernizers who have imposed monogamy on Arab societies, which is pretty funny.0.96
00:59:56.000Remember when we were talking about it?1.00
00:59:59.000It's advanced societal tech to have monogamy.1.00
01:00:02.000Because if you don't, then there will be a shortage of women for enough men, right?1.00
01:00:09.000So you'll have all these single men that go around just causing problems, waging war.0.91
01:00:13.000You know, um, in fact, a good man, those cultures once they westernized their conception of marriage and their laws around marriage, yeah, did they advance?0.96
01:01:54.000But anyway, and then, yeah, like the very first person the Taliban killed, they took a warlord who was doing that and they hung him from the gun of a tank.
01:02:04.000And then they did a lot of other stuff.0.84
01:02:09.000And so when the U.S. came in, a lot of the warlords that the U.S. backed and the Bush administration backed were actually those former warlords who were pro Bachabazi.
01:02:19.000And when these sorts of things were happening on bases with the U.S. allies at the time, The Northern Alliance and others that so many soldiers got PTSD because they were told to look the other way.
01:02:31.000And they were told to, you know, go out of the room if that's happening and this is just part of their culture and you've got to suck it up.0.93
01:02:37.000So, how did that culture develop in parallel with hardcore Islam?0.93
01:03:00.000Um, that there's a lot of, I mean, obviously, these places are all Muslim, it pervades everything, and there's varying levels of intensity to it.0.81
01:03:08.000And if you're the Taliban, if you're Al Qaeda, if you're any of these Salafist movements, that's what we call it Salafism, is it is like a reaction to the like the West intruding on these places, uh, it's a reaction to them getting colonized, to them feeling they're falling behind.0.85
01:03:22.000It's just turn into like boy molesting.
01:03:24.000Well, this is actually, that's just kind of there's a lot of molesting that goes on in traditional societies.
01:04:23.000So, if you have these reactions, these reactionaries react to the pervasive modernization, the secularization of their cultures, and these crazy.
01:04:36.000What's our Anakin going to do in this?
01:04:40.000What can we expect the reaction to be?
01:05:04.000The reaction has just got to be the wager on the strong, as it were, which is just there's so many people who are guilty.
01:05:11.000Just not going to make it through all of the pressures and ordeals that are happening right now.
01:05:16.000So many people are going to cook their brains with AI.
01:05:18.000Like, even though they voted against data centers, all these people, the same people who are voting against data centers, also are addicted to AI.
01:05:24.000They're addicted to not going outside.
01:05:26.000There's going to be a massive drop in the number of grass touchers in American life.
01:05:30.000There's going to be a lot of people who are sitting inside and they're doing nothing but watch short form video, nothing but watching streamers stream about stuff.0.89
01:05:39.000They'll be very detached from reality.
01:05:41.000The winners of the future are going to be the people who actually still go outside and do things.
01:05:46.000Because the power that comes from being willing to do that will be so much greater because so many other people are checked out.
01:05:52.000Yeah, the future belongs to those who show up for it.
01:06:54.000How sticky is this third party thing going to be in your mind?
01:06:58.000Like, how much how many how much legs does this thing have?
01:07:02.000So, I mean, third parties again are notorious in Ross Perot in certain elections, like.
01:07:12.000Like 1992, of course, in the election for Bill, which resulted in Bill Clinton's victory, where that's what we're all worried about, right?
01:07:22.000Swings the election by preventing any candidate from reaching a majority of the popular vote, but is able to knock off so many of Republican votes in the states that Bill Clinton ends up winning with only about 42% of the vote.
01:07:38.000And you're already seeing this, by the way, in a number of states that were super close, like Mississippi, and of course, like the fake Dan Sullivan up in Alaska.
01:07:46.000Where they have been preventing those Republican votes from achieving the majority.
01:07:52.000And by the way, I do think that Alaska election really needs to be investigated because if you're going to seat somebody who only won by 700 votes and you've got a guy there with the exact same name as the other candidate who had thousands of votes that would have more than, I think, tripled the, or excuse me, throupled the margin of victory, then you have a serious problem with that.
01:08:15.000Wait, have they run the ranked choice on that yet?
01:08:18.000This is something I'd keep, because there is a possibility if they run the ranked choice on that, People, he might end up getting those secondary votes, right?
01:09:47.000But if you're not trying to reform, if you're trying to blow up, you start a third party.
01:09:52.000The only reason to start a third party in the United States, for all practical purposes, is to help the Opposite party of whatever party you're closest to win elections.
01:10:03.000So if you are starting a right wing coded third party, your goal is to help the left win elections.
01:10:57.000And I don't think they look to the bigger situation.
01:11:00.000Official motive for uh, well, Ross Perot did it because he was literally running as a he was actually running as a viable third party candidate.
01:11:06.000Um, he was running in the middle, notably.
01:11:08.000I don't think he was doing it to subvert either party, but he drew from both of them, drew way more from George, he drew more from Bush, and I feel like that's typically the tendency, yeah.
01:11:17.000Um, especially in this year, like, um, Jack, how how appealing do you think it's going to be though for young men if this thing if this thing like gains steam?
01:11:27.000You know, I think it'll have um, different impacts in different states.
01:11:31.000But again, it's going to be something that certainly pulls, looking at the tea leaves of this party in the 2026 midterms, it's certainly going to be something that's appealing to a lot of young men.
01:11:43.000It's going to be appealing to young men who have this, as we just defined, this Anakin meme streak, who are saying, we're done with the traditional parties and we want a party that speaks directly to us.
01:12:11.000Talking down to them, telling to make.1.00
01:12:14.000A burrito with some more beans, telling them that they're a bunch of losers and bums who sit on the couch and take down welfare.0.99
01:12:21.000When we actually ran through this, young white men in America are the least likely group in the entire country to be on government assistance or public assistance of any sort.0.99
01:12:32.000And the way that they were talking about it is extremely disrespectful.
01:12:35.000Legitimately, I think there should be a concern here.
01:12:40.000The question is okay, so if you want an example, here's I think Ross Perot, because he's recent and got a lot of the vote.
01:13:51.000Three party elections just have weird dynamics to them, and it's never quite as simple as, like, oh, this guy is closer to that party, and so he automatically will hurt them more.
01:14:02.000Another example I like to point to is 2010.
01:14:04.000Yeah, they picked him up from the Democrats.
01:14:06.000In 2010, Marco Rubio runs for Senate, but he was not originally the guy that was supposed to.
01:14:12.000Do you remember Charlie Crist, who's now a Democrat?
01:14:14.000He was the governor of Florida, popular governor.
01:14:16.000They draft him to run for Senate to win that Florida Senate seat, but then it's 2010, it's the Tea Party.
01:15:02.000There's just weird dynamics to three party races.
01:15:05.000Because Republicans were sick of Charlie Crist because that was, I believe, the Tea Party year and Republicans viewed Charlie Crist at 2010.
01:15:48.000Like, wins actually just destroys the vote.
01:15:50.000It also, I mean, it matters who you nominate, right?
01:15:53.000Charlie Crist has lost in Florida, I think, as a member of each party at this point, including independent, Republican, independent, and Democrat.
01:16:25.000Like, I mean, you know, look, if you put my prognosticator hat on, if I'm going to sit here and tell you exactly what happens, because we have a lot of football between now and 2022.
01:16:36.000And I think that anybody making one of those statements right now is going to be wild.
01:16:42.000But yeah, in a scenario like that, and I'm assuming you're saying if Massey runs as an independent, yeah, as an independent or the Libertarian Party or whatever, yeah.
01:18:23.000Well, and so a lot of this, by the way, What you guys are talking about is a lot of this is predicated also on the popularity of the state of Israel and the relationship between the U.S. and Israel.
01:18:36.000President Trump, of course, famously came out right before the election, and I think it was the day, the morning of, and said that he was going to, and we talked about it on Tuesday, to cut foreign aid to Israel.
01:18:44.000And he announced it as a deal with Bibi, which apparently seems to be going through still.
01:18:51.000And that the question is so if, You have two candidates that are both running, one is independent, one is Democrat, that are super anti Israel, then you are going, you would split that vote.
01:19:07.000What's interesting, and it would dilute its impact across the electorate.
01:19:13.000I'm not saying that anyone should, again, so if you take, what I'm trying to say is if you take one of those single issues and you split it multiple ways, it's very hard to see what impact it's going to have.
01:19:25.000And that's when other issues, such as, The cost of living, such as the economy, and other things come into play more because you've diluted it.
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01:20:43.000Well, it's interesting, too, because we can get rid of the names and just have avatars here.
01:20:50.000But if you, in theory, had a socially conservative but economically liberal candidate or something like that, that would be very interesting to what happened with the Muslim vote.0.99
01:21:04.000Because what's interesting is right now, the Muslims just go left.0.70
01:21:08.000With Trump Kamala, when they were blaming.
01:21:10.000Biden and Kamala for the Gaza stuff, they actually split their vote between Trump and Kamala a little bit.
01:21:18.000This, I mean, Abdullah Al Said got like 90%.
01:21:20.000But it's also like, because people talked about that in terms of like socially conservative, economically populous, but like, it's how left do you want to go?
01:21:26.000Because, like, as again, just because people have speculated on Tucker running, Tucker's like suggested we should have like a debt abolition in the country, like wipe out everyone's credit card bills.
01:21:36.000He's like said that the Maduro regime in Venezuela was like actually a good model.
01:21:52.000And also, these things evolve in on themselves.
01:21:55.000And so, if what, for example, if something, if one of the, if Massey or Tucker starts running and what separates him from a normal GOP candidate is stuff that they're more to the left of that candidate on, they tend to kind of get more left over time.
01:22:11.000Yeah, I was going to say, could you, this is what's so fascinating about the example you gave.
01:22:56.000It was, by the way, there was a huge upset, of course, when Marco won on the Tea Party line there running in that primary.
01:23:06.000The same way it was, by the way, for Ted Cruz, who I believe also won his Senate seat in 2010 in the Tea Party wave.
01:23:13.000That was started because of the backlash to Obama and started because of the Tea Party pop, which was, of course, the first.
01:23:19.000Instances of populism that led to the MAGA movement.
01:23:21.000And so, you know, it's hard to say when these things are going to happen or not.
01:23:28.000And again, it also goes, it speaks to not just candidate quality, but candidate credibility.
01:23:34.000That if you're running on something like if you're running as anti war, then people are going to go and look at your past statements and say, Hey, were you always anti war?
01:23:42.000Does your record actually reflect the things that you are saying now if you've been in public life before?
01:23:47.000And so there's going to be a lot of that that happens.
01:23:51.000So, yeah, like in a sense, do the names matter?
01:24:02.000I just, I'm curious because, I mean, as a conservative, if you have like sort of.
01:24:06.000I don't know what you want to call them, like former Republicans or offshoot Republicans running a third party.
01:24:11.000You just assume that's going to, like, that's going to.
01:24:14.000So if you're a young man and you've got either a DeSantis or JD being the figurehead on the right, and JD saying, hey, I was against the war, you know, my job was to back the president's policies, and that was my job, and I'm a patriot, so I did my job, but, you know, I shared your skepticism and I fought for peace and I did what I could.
01:24:40.000I mean, that's an open question, especially if you're running up against a Thomas Massey that, you know, I think has, you know, credibility on the anti war message, certainly.
01:24:52.000Because pragmatically, in terms of genuine.0.98
01:24:56.000I think that Gen Z is ripe for a third party.0.99
01:25:14.000I'm just saying that I think that, I don't think you'd win a majority, but I think you could get double digits, which, which then in turn would have impact on the election.
01:25:23.000Well, if you're right, then it needs to be taken extremely seriously.
01:25:37.000Well, the thing with Gen Z is they're not.0.99
01:25:38.000Bobby Kennedy, Bobby Kennedy found this out.0.96
01:25:40.000In 2024, there's a lot of practical issues.
01:25:43.000There's a lot of practical issues, and especially, I'll be frank, especially on the right.
01:25:49.000We do our very best at like Turning Point, for example, to mobilize those people, but the left takes more naturally to that.
01:25:55.000Like, they're very good at that decentralized, get everything done to get to like have that activist apparatus.0.82
01:26:02.000I wonder how a right coded third party would work for Gen Z.
01:26:06.000I think they've seen a much, I think certainly on the left, they've already deduced because there was stock.
01:26:11.000Talk of, oh, let's have an actual Democratic Socialist Party.
01:26:14.000Some people are registered Democratic Socialists, but they very quickly realized by far the best way to get our agenda is to just go and win Democrat primaries.
01:26:21.000And by the way, and for the record, for the record, I'm not saying that it's not beatable in any way, because the way you neutralize that is that you, instead of running against them, the way that Republicans decided to try this time around, is that you actually listen to your voting base, you listen to these blocs that made the 2024 coalition in the first place, and you say, What was it that we did wrong?
01:26:45.000Maybe we shouldn't have demonized young male voters.
01:26:48.000Maybe we shouldn't have turned them into the avatar of everything that's wrong with society and gone in with, by the way, the same thing the Democrats and the Fortune 500s and so many other people did and actually take young concerns and Gen Z concerns seriously rather than scapegoating them throughout the election.
01:27:06.000And if you can't do that, you're going to neutralize all of this.
01:27:09.000I don't think they, like, you got mad about an ad in Arkansas, which we won those races anyway.
01:27:14.000Uh, Like, I don't know that they scapegoated.
01:27:48.000Ultimately, I've always said we would love to, if you have evidence that someone abused, molested, harmed in any way, a specific person did that to any other specific person, I think everyone would be happy to have that person go on trial.
01:28:04.000But instead, it's always been that vague thing of just like, they're protecting them.
01:30:06.000So it was like a confluence of multiple problems.
01:30:09.000But I do think that, yeah, ultimately it was like the electorate swinging wildly back and forth because they're waiting for somebody to do something.
01:30:17.000Third party thing, one thing I think that's really interesting that happened is as far as people feeling betrayed, there is a lot of people just aggressively lying about what the administration did.
01:30:27.000And this is something that's very frustrating that came out of, for example, Tucker World.
01:30:30.000Tucker would say that they have stopped deporting people, stopped deporting illegals, and he said that legal immigration is higher than ever.
01:30:38.000Those are two things he said over the summer.
01:30:58.000Even then, they're trying to do it and like it gummed up the entire process because you're not filing applications.
01:31:03.000Like even stuff that's been struck down by courts has massively slowed down legal immigration to this country because it introduced uncertainty.
01:31:25.000And that means, Jack, the things that you're expressing, like whether they're, you know, whether there's three instances or one or two, are factually important.
01:31:37.000Like, young men do feel alienated, they do feel villainized, and they want somebody to fight for them.
01:32:21.000He said young Americans spend too much time watching Save by the Bell, not watching Save by the Bell, doing sleepovers and playing video games than studying, and they should be glorifying Screech.
01:33:12.000There's a lot of stuff about how you word things, but to just basically get angry when people say, hey guys, America has problems, but it also has a lot of opportunities, and you should be able to take advantage of them.
01:33:29.000You know, the opening, the always be closing thing?
01:33:31.000There's two ways you can always react to that, and there's two ways people do react to that, because he's saying, Always be closing, you know.
01:34:17.000And like, here's why I was smarter than you.
01:34:20.000There's a lot of smugness that goes into it.
01:34:22.000And you always have to leave out the smugness.
01:34:24.000And that is where Charlie was good, that he was never smug about it.
01:34:27.000But it's absolutely viable to challenge people and say, there are difficult things, but there's actually tremendous amounts of opportunity out here.
01:34:35.000There's tremendous ways that we can make this country better.
01:35:31.000I think what we don't want to be is a movement of complainers and victims.
01:35:37.000We want to be victors, but we also have to be honest about the fact there are certain structural things that need to be fixed to make things just even on par with boomers, Gen X, millennials.0.82
01:36:00.000No, no, it's just like, this was like, I don't like reducing it to victimization because the problem was an actual political failure to deliver.
01:36:41.000Both things are really actually very true.
01:36:43.000And I'm not just trying to be a peacekeeper here.
01:36:45.000I'm saying when you have part of the movement, because remember, we ran into this in the Senate with 53 senators, right?
01:36:52.000We couldn't get all of the cats herded in the same direction.
01:36:56.000Like, if you don't win a basic argument on this, that there's not ultimately going to be the political will to achieve real change legislatively.
01:37:06.000And I think that's ultimately why we ran into a buzzsaw with the Senate, because you have different people singing off different song sheets, different political eras, and different political leanings, because it's just the way it is.
01:37:18.000We got to wrap it up for our studio, folks.