On this week's episode of THX: A Thought Crime Podcast, we discuss the death of Charlie Kirk, the SPLC's attempt to smear him, and Elon Musk's take on the hate group. Also, the FBI has severed ties with the Anti-Defamation league.
00:02:48.000I mean, this so what what Elon Musk, by the way, this is ongoing.
00:02:52.000Um Elon Musk has basically declared war on the SPLC, and he he he basically did so yesterday, right, was the ADL's day, and today has become the SPLC's day, and it's so pressured, and Elon Musk is really driving this train.
00:03:10.000Yesterday we saw the FBI uh sever their relationship with the ADL and a number of people, including the great uh Greek, you know, he's a demigod, really, Pericles Periobassi of Chicago, who was proudly married to a woman, by the way, Alpha Male.
00:03:28.000And he dug up the fact that not only was the ADL going after a turning point, but he dug up the fact, and Elon has actually just retweeted this, that on the day before Charlie Kirk was assassinated, the SPLC included him and turning point USA in their monthly hate watch newsletter.
00:03:45.000And he wrote the SPLC has blood on their hands.
00:03:51.000Andrew started tweeting about that, and then Andrew, you found a tweet, and this is what's so crazy, because we said ADL was number one and SPLC was number two.
00:04:08.000In it with the date was I think we have this tweet, guys.
00:04:11.000I'll I'll uh I just flagged it for him just to make sure they get it.
00:04:16.000But it says, whatever it was in the past, today the ADL is a hate group that dons a religious mask to justify stoking hatred of the left's enemies.
00:04:26.000I believe in the First Amendment and free speech as a principle regardless of what the law says.
00:04:30.000I don't want to ban anyone's speech, but the ADL has no place extorting ex Twitter, or any other social media companies, nor should it dictate to federal law enforcement agencies what hate speech is.
00:04:41.000The ADL itself is America's number one purveyor of hate speech, parenthesis, and the SBLC is number two.
00:04:48.000So for those that don't know, there are a network of nonprofits, foundations or organizations that do a multitude of things.
00:04:55.000The anti-defamation league is one ADL, the Southern Poverty Law Center, the other.
00:05:04.000They accuse them of being the worst possible monsters or hateful or white supremacists.
00:05:09.000This is used to incite run of the mill default libs who don't know better.
00:05:14.000Because what'll happen is you'll get some corporate news outlet, and they'll say, Jack Pasobic, comma, who was called the white supremacist by the Southern Poverty Law Center, comma, says X. They can inject that into articles, and then what happens?
00:05:26.000Wikipedia editors will cite the corporate press saying Jack Bisobek is a known white supremacist, and they'll link to the corporate press.
00:05:33.000It's how they launder fake news, smears and manipulations.
00:05:36.000So when Elon is saying they incited people to murder Charlie Kirk, he is correct.
00:05:41.000Yeah, I mean, if you look at what they are doing, it's not just smearing people, they associate people with the KKK and neo-Nazis.
00:05:48.000So when they started attacking me in 2010, they were able to get a group of all the We Are Change chapters all around the world, groups that I didn't even know existed, and they're like, okay, here's We Are Change.
00:05:58.000Here's the KKK, and here's where the KKK is located, and here's a We Are Change chapter.
00:06:02.000And I'm like, what do I have to do with the KKK or the neo-Nazis?
00:06:06.000But they lumped it in, and this is where the conversation got really violent.
00:06:09.000It started in 2010, and then they started to do a Patriot hit list, and they put me on there, they put Ron Paul on there, they put Alex Jones on there, and they said, watch out for these dangerous guys.
00:06:19.000And then they went to federal and local law enforcement and they said, keep a track, keep track of these guys, spy on these guys.
00:06:25.000In 2018, they officially partnered with YouTube.
00:06:28.000In 2019, they officially partnered with PayPal, and they censored individuals who had different opinions.
00:06:34.000All I was doing is raising questions and asking questions about 9-11, working with family members, but that was somehow equated to being a neo-Nazi and working with uh the KKK.
00:06:45.000And I'll give a great example of this.
00:06:46.000So you mentioned 2010, and you know, here we are, it's 2025.
00:06:49.000In 2014, do you know who the SPLC added to their extremist hate watch list?
00:07:01.000The sweet, you know, the the the you know, I remember him, you know, at the memorial just ranting and raving, you know, spreading his his his hatred and and I mean, and and then what was it?
00:07:11.000It was because you know, here he comes in as a Christian, he was standing in defense of traditional marriage, which of course is a core Christian belief, uh, of just very basic Christian belief uh about marriage, and they named him an extremist because of that.
00:07:26.000So to your point, and this is a hundred percent right, they can just basically willy-nilly label anybody, right?
00:07:32.000And then you mentioned Tim that they launder this through.
00:07:35.000So go ahead and I I just today, because I was Googling it, I was like, Charlie Kirk, SPLC.
00:07:41.000Oh wait, are we doing a are we doing a line change already?
00:07:45.000Are we doing are we lying to that yet?
00:08:24.000I changed their uh hate watch list to um enemies of the leftist revolution, just so that you know people understood what they were actually trying to say.
00:08:46.000And it's Charlie Kirk, white supremacist dead at 31.
00:08:50.000Second article that you, if you just Google Charlie Kirk, SBLC, and then of course, go to 348, you look at it, and it's like, oh, a cornerstone of supremacist logic, and they link to the SBLC.
00:09:19.000And uh and by the way, thank you to Elon, seriously for taking the taking on this fight.
00:09:24.000He doesn't have to do this, and he didn't have to take on the ADL, he didn't have to buy X, he didn't have to come out here, but it was the right thing to do.
00:09:32.000And he's he's even and I just gotta say thank you on a personal level as well, because David Sachs had tweeted a thread out earlier today saying that look, when you Google Steven Miller, the very first thing that comes up is the SPLC.
00:09:45.000If you Google Jack Pasobic, the very first thing that comes up is the SPLC.
00:09:50.000And this like there's there's no rhyme or reason for this uh whatsoever.
00:09:55.000It's not like people are linking back to it, but it's always there.
00:09:57.000So Elon not only tweeted it out, he also put in the comments he CC'd um Sundar Fachai, the CEO of Google, yeah, and is like, what's going on?
00:10:07.000Well, I mean, listen, if we're if ever there is a time to get vehemently pissed off about this stuff, they just murdered Charlie.
00:10:14.000The man who should be sitting in this chair right now.
00:10:18.000And I you you know, I can't tell you that the assassin read the SPLC, you know, hate map article about turning point that was added in May.
00:10:27.000But what I can tell you is that it contributes to an ecosystem of radicalism.
00:10:33.000Yeah, and and Tim, we talked about this on your show earlier this week.
00:10:39.000You can yes, the assassin is personally responsible, but it is a they because it's part of an ecosystem of radicalization, and you're seeing it in the polling where 30% of what progressives between the age of 18 and 39 believe that violence is totally justifiable uh politically.
00:10:56.000Well, because it's one movement, and that's the issue.
00:10:58.000Do you I it's often described very interestingly what you know what what is the left and the right?
00:11:03.000And you can be a I'm you take a look at some of these people in the space.
00:11:08.000Joe Rogan's a great example, he's a bit of a lefty, he's the example, right?
00:11:11.000And they call him right wing or far right because he's not in the cult.
00:11:16.000So when you see AOC on the House floor disparaging and smearing Charlie Kirk, she is proselytizing her to her cult.
00:11:24.000She is giving a sermon to her fake non-theistic rel or toward this non-theistic religion.
00:11:43.000What they're actually saying, they'll go do and say, no, no, no, look, here's the thing.
00:11:46.000The other activists that come here and want to find out, find a way to make change the world, may not agree with you, but we're fighting for the same cause.
00:12:04.000Maybe you guys know this, but did the FBI cut their ties with the SPLC?
00:12:08.000Because they've been working with them for an extremely long time.
00:12:10.000Um if there ever was a time and opportunity to cut ties with the SPLC, it is now, but I I want to go further.
00:12:15.000Because I know that is one of the action items that we're calling for.
00:12:17.000We're calling for the FBI, we're calling for Amazon Smile, um, and and any other federal law enforcement or any of these organizations.
00:12:24.000But we should take it further, not just uh not not just to stop working with them, but I want disclosures.
00:12:29.000I want to know who the ADL was working with on the FBI with to spy on what commentator on what personality, what work were they doing?
00:12:38.000And if Cash Patel is listening, I hope he does full disclosures, not just cutting off the city.
00:12:43.000And believe it or not, so when everyone everyone remembers the uh the huge scandal for Catholics that the SPL excuse me, that the FBI was um surveilling and investigating and infiltrating Catholic groups that were you know playing the rosary a little bit too hard, and how it was completely insane to became this national scandal, that operation was shut down when Cash Patel got in, thank God.
00:13:08.000But one thing that people missed, and Elon actually or um actually just quote tweeted me because I was pulling up some of my old reporting.
00:13:15.000That investigation was predicated on an SPLC report about Catholics.
00:13:21.000So they used an SPLC article as a quote unquote what what what Luke is saying here is 100% correct, and this is just a very famous example that people have to understand where this stuff comes from.
00:13:31.000So the SPLC rates the article, then the FBI sees it and says, Oh my gosh, we have to start an investigation.
00:13:37.000Then they get approval to start infiltrating Catholic churches and spying and tracking and doing all these illegal things.
00:13:59.000This is from yeah, from postmillennial able Apple TV's polled series starring Jessica Chastain was based on ADL's research, a researcher tasked with monitoring online hate networks.
00:14:09.000The show originally scheduled to launch at the end of September was postponed.
00:14:12.000The New York Times report the tissue came after the assassination of Charlie Kirk earlier this month.
00:14:17.000This show was basically a girl boss liberal cultist uh wet dream where she goes online and LARPs and then uh uncovers plots from white supremacist groups and then they go and and break them up.
00:14:32.000When the show got canceled, or it's polled, suspended, who knows?
00:15:20.000They base their worldview off of movies.
00:15:22.000That's why they make shows like this to launder this idea of what the ADL is doing.
00:15:28.000Well, and Tim, not only that, but and and we still haven't gotten, I'd love to get by the way, like a media screener of this or something, because they pulled this show, and and Andrew, I think you remember, it was like the day after Charlie died.
00:15:40.000It was one of the first things that we saw, and no one had been talking about this show.
00:15:43.000There'd been like a meme about it, but nobody like certainly obviously we weren't in a place to think about shows.
00:15:50.000Nobody thought there was any connection between that show and Charlie Kirk.
00:16:00.000And Tim, I know we talked about the other night, the groiper hoax that was spread by so many on the left up to and including in in a sense, Jimmy Kimmel, that a groiper had been the one pulling the trigger to shoot and kill Charlie.
00:16:15.000Well, so many people were tweeting that out that the theory was that perhaps a screener of the savant had gone out, and what if that was a plot that had actually been in there and that's where they all got the idea from South Park, just like South Park, because they were saying, Oh, wait, there like it seemed like they were really scared about something in that show.
00:16:38.000Bro, do you know about the show Utopia?
00:16:41.000Oh, yeah, that's a while about it, but they have to have a disclosure in the beginning.
00:16:50.000And it was about a tech billionaire who was concerned about climate change.
00:16:54.000He had produced fake meat and was trying to get people to eat it because he wanted to reduce carbon emissions.
00:16:59.000He secretly worked behind the scenes to create a pandemic scare so that he could get the government to force vaccinations on people, thinking it would vaccinate them from this pandemic, but it sterilized them instead.
00:18:07.000But to go to the uh back to the topic of the SPLC, because I think it's important to talk about a couple years ago, there was a terrorist inspired event that a leftist lunatic used SPLC information in order to shoot up the family research council.
00:18:20.000Lloyd a lot of people forget that they not only put people on hit lists, but they were the inspiration for terrorist attack before.
00:18:29.000So what Elon Musk is talking about right now is of critical key importance.
00:18:33.000Cash Patel needs to get on this right now.
00:18:37.000He needs to provide us information, what's happening behind the scenes, what was really going on, and why was federal police hijacked by these leftist woke institutions that literally put us on it on hit list.
00:18:48.000I was there since 2010, and I remember seeing this terrorist attack, and I'm like, I'm on that list that this lunatic looked at uh that happened in 2012.
00:18:56.000And I'm like, they just they're literally attacking me.
00:18:58.000And I tried to reach out, and they actually contacted me and they're like, you know, we'll give you the benefit of that.
00:19:04.000So I I recorded the interview with the SPLC.
00:19:06.000I was like, you guys don't understand.
00:19:08.000We're raising money, we're working with first responders, we're working with family members, we're working with rescue workers, survivors, and I laid it all out.
00:19:15.000They took my quotes out of context and then wrote an article talking about how I was a violent extremist.
00:19:20.000When I never even said any of those things, I did lied and slandered me and then put me on this target list that radicals used.
00:19:29.000This reminds me of sorry, Tim, but this reminds me of I one time on one in one instance tried to work in good faith with certain SBLC person.
00:20:07.000So I tried to do it, and then the thing came out, and it was just exactly what it was a complete smear job, hit job, and let me let me let me let me tell you guys a story.
00:20:14.000So in 2018, an article was put out by the SPLC, which included me.
00:20:18.000It was it was written about a bunch of people who are uh I guess you call them lefties, progressives.
00:20:25.000And it's called uh it was called The Multipolar Spin, How Fascists Operationalize Left Wing Resentment.
00:20:32.000What they were basically saying was here's a spattering of people who are on the left, but they're secretly fascists.
00:21:01.000An archive of a since at the time the website had been deleted.
00:21:05.000It was some blog in Iran from some Holocaust denier who wrote a thing claiming I had been to Iran, which was made up.
00:21:13.000So we actually filed a lawsuit against them.
00:21:16.000They issued an apology and took it down.
00:21:18.000Because my challenge to them was if you want to if you want to claim that I'm an alt-right guy who went to Iran for a Holocaust and I'll conference, I have no problem having you go to court and tell a judge your source is a conspiracy theory website from Iran that was deleted.
00:21:34.000I want that on the record, and then we'll run well so they they were like, okay, we're taking it down.
00:21:38.000Not to mention, you know, when they went after Max Blumenthal, he was like, I'm gonna call my dad, and they were like, We'll delete it.
00:22:52.000Um hey everybody, Andrew Colvet, executive producer of the Charlie Kirk Show.
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00:24:03.000What do you think about the fact that Elon Musk uh has just picked up the baseball bat and is just like beating down the poverty palace, which by the way, that's Tim, do you know that's what they call the SPLC's headquarters, the poverty palace?
00:25:06.000Yeah, and I think it was I think it was founded in 1970 or so, and then it just immediately began its direct mail campaigns to scam neurotic housewives out of their money.
00:25:15.000We had an event in uh Jersey several years ago that it was called I forgot what it was called, but it was um it was called something uh I forgot the name of it, but we we the the the subheader was ending violence, racism and authoritarianism.
00:25:29.000And Daryl Davis was our headline speaker, and literally it was I I would I guess I would liken it to a send uh centrist type, you know, uh debate on morals.
00:25:42.000Antifa called it a white supremacist event and threatened to burn the theater down.
00:25:45.000And I'm like, it's literally called ending racism, violence, and authoritarianism.
00:26:24.000So just under a billion dollars they've raised through these scams.
00:26:28.000And there have been liberals and leftists and even even communists like the people over at uh current affair that have come out and said, Yeah, this is obviously a scam.
00:26:40.000What they're doing is they're claiming that they're doing all this work to fight the hate when essentially all they're doing is targeting people for hate and then shaking down uh again, like like like old liberals for money.
00:26:54.000They also, Tim, you'll appreciate this, they take that money and a bunch of it, they'll send Tens of millions, I think 30 million, according to Tyler O'Neill over at Daily Signal, is uh is is sent down to the Cayman Islands for tax purposes as a tax haven right now.
00:27:10.000So the the amount of very southern poverty.
00:27:13.000Yeah, very southern, extremely southern in the in the Gulf of America.
00:27:16.000So when when you look at this, it's it's so ripe, not just for by the way, federal investigation for wire fraud and mail fraud, because anything you do by mail is of course uh federal, but Alabama, it is the reddest of the red states, and yet they sit right there in Montgomery, Alabama in their poverty palace, and no one does anything.
00:28:21.000Like there was a lawyer who was black, the judge was black, the the guy advertising like was black, then it showed the Patriot front, a bunch of white guys in masks, then it showed a bunch of black protesters.
00:28:31.000Is that who they're trying to fundraise off of, I guess?
00:28:33.000Oh no, they're definitely not fundraising.
00:28:35.000No, Tim, are you drawing some connection there?
00:28:40.000We did not so yeah, the the the people can't see it because it's off screen, but we have a video wall here that just shows you know pretty much all the cable news channels, and uh the one that was playing, so we've got like CNN, we got MSNBC, of course, we've got RAV.
00:28:53.000This is this this next commercial is worse, it's mushroom coffee.
00:28:57.000I will not be not drink the mushroom coffee.
00:29:50.000Um, but no, it's it's I mean, that that's so crazy.
00:29:53.000This is how big they are that MSNBC is just running this stuff all the time.
00:29:59.000So and and that's and and by the way, so Blake, talk to me about the the current demographic of an MSNBC primetime viewer that they're trying to target.
00:30:08.000Okay, so the current demographic of an MSMB primetime viewer, I'd say median viewers probably what, 75 years old?
00:30:27.000Like if you read the direct mailers, too, that SPLC does, it's just very funny because they're basically trying to find you know, rich or upper middle class housewives and being like, hey, remember the Holocaust?
00:30:39.000It's about to happen again if you don't donate to the SPLC's poverty palace.
00:30:43.000And you know, they they really whip them up.
00:30:46.000It's so comical, they're always like, oh, this last year was this is a barn burner, this is a record setter in hate.
00:30:52.000And there's more hate groups than everyone.
00:30:54.000Right, and become and this is why though, this is why they've they've and and Tim, you know, this is why they have to expand the aperture because there's a supply and demand issue to the point where Charlie Kirk, right?
00:31:06.000A guy who's never raised a hand in anger, who just wants to have dialogue and and campus debate, gets ensnared in it.
00:31:46.000I'm just saying the right doesn't have anything comparable where we create a fake organization with a fake name and then trick people into giving over tons of money.
00:31:54.000Because that's not how the right operates.
00:32:00.000We don't make these crazy comparisons and say you you, you know, you remembered this thing from eighty-five years ago, it's about to happen again if you don't give us money right now.
00:33:30.000They show up to these facilities, they dump paint, and they he's overweight.
00:33:34.000This dude he doesn't look like he wants for anything.
00:33:37.000He's just bored and has no purpose, and now he found out.
00:33:41.000I think with I I'm happy to see Ice taking going going to these extremist groups and having real law enforcement explain to them, and here's what I say.
00:33:58.000If if that's all he did, criminal damage to federal property, take a guilty plea, one month, you go to federal lockup, and then all your friends can say, where did Enrique go?
00:34:08.000And you can say he went to federal lockup.
00:34:39.000Because when he had the red paint, because when you when you see the red paint, it's very clear that they quite literally caught him red-handed.
00:35:28.000One of the strategies the far left uses is to intentionally get stupid people arrested to then radicalize them because they'll tell you wasn't the punishment excessive.
00:35:37.000So you gotta find that happy medium where his friends will be like, I don't want to go to jail for a month.
00:35:41.000But he gets out in time to where it's not like he was disappeared or anything.
00:35:45.000During a lot of these protests, what Antifa will do is they'll tell the average person, show up, stand here, wiggle your arms, and and chant.
00:35:53.000They'll then tell their they have they they color code it.
00:35:56.000They'll tell the direct action group, that's what it's called, go in the middle of that crowd and throw a brick At a cop.
00:36:00.000What happens then is these dumb college kids who have no idea what's going on are standing thereping around.
00:36:05.000A brick flies in there, hits a cop, the cops say, Okay, we're shutting this down.
00:36:09.000Starts grabbing people and arresting people.
00:36:11.000Once these people, these college kids who have no idea what's going on, end up in jail, they're panicking, they're shaking, they're terrified.
00:36:20.000They'll then have the direct activists, the d uh the direct action crew be in jail and get arrested too intentionally, and say, Don't worry, we're here for you.
00:36:49.000His family will get radicalized and his friends will get radicalized.
00:36:53.000So I'm not thinking about this in terms of the emotional satisfaction.
00:36:56.000If if this like the antifa terrorists who know what they're doing in organize, 10 years agreed.
00:37:01.000His their friends are already radicals.
00:37:02.000So by the way, have you ever heard the the uh the categorization of these various groups that you're talking about within the black bloc, uh the colors?
00:37:20.000Then the yellows are your organizers, your leaders, your your directors, managers, and the and the yellows, by the way, travel around highly organized.
00:37:28.000We were talking about the other night um on Teamcast proper, that they are highly organized and clearly financed, and then the Reds are just the crazy It's the direct action of direct action to say, and when I would infiltrate Antifa events uh like prior to the um attack on the deplorable in uh uh 2017 to Trump's first inauguration,
00:37:49.000they would they would move someone around there and they would say, and we would have like 200 people in a church basement, and they would say, Okay, anyone who's interested in direct action, we're gonna go over here into another room.
00:38:00.000But if you're interested in that, come on over here.
00:38:19.000And so they tell the direct action group, we need to get these people arrested, as many of them as possible.
00:38:24.000So you might see a flyer at a college and it's like, come march for this social injustice.
00:38:29.000And what the actual plan is is there's gonna be three guys who wear all black and masks.
00:38:34.000They're gonna tell you to wear the same.
00:38:36.000They say, Wear all black, wear a hoodie in solidarity.
00:38:39.000They're gonna go up to a cop, hit him, or throw a water bottle or something to get you arrested intentionally so that you're terrified because they know that the machine is is cruel.
00:38:49.000That when you get arrested, the cops are like, Don't know, don't care why you get arrested.
00:38:52.000Stand here, take your picture, and they're shaking and they're terrified.
00:39:10.000I'm not sure if it's just bad to radicalize it.
00:39:12.000I would just say if they want to get radicalized because they're like uh, you know, faffo-ing, and then they get radicalized and they do something more radical, okay, 10 years.
00:39:21.000I don't care about filling up a prison with 50,000 of these freaks.
00:39:24.000But but what I'm saying is this guy's roommate gets radicalized and you're making more protesters.
00:39:29.000You're you're j that that's what they want to do.
00:39:30.000The number of protesters is irrelevant.
00:39:32.000What matters is if you're doing criminal stuff, if you're attacking cops, if you're destroying buildings, that instead of getting a slap on the wrist, that you are getting, oh, sorry, you're an in you're like an insurrectionist, you're a terrorist, you're going to prison for the rest of the room.
00:39:48.000Well, so I'm not talking about them going running up gangs and arresting them and putting them in prison.
00:39:53.000These are these are known gang members to a terrorizing communities.
00:39:57.000This is a doofy chubby kid who has no idea what's going on in the world who threw paint on the ground.
00:40:01.000And he's got a bunch of friends who are also doofy morons who have no idea what's going on in the world.
00:40:05.000I'm not talking about letting a guy who smashes a cop car go.
00:40:09.000I'm talking about the moron chubby guy who's never been arrested before, never had a job, showing up to what he thinks is a playground for LARPing.
00:40:15.000And then when you guys say, Lock him up for a year or longer, Antifa is like, yes.
00:40:20.000We tricked them into radicalizing more people that are gonna fundraise on our behalf, that are gonna make money for us and sustain us.
00:40:27.000You have to be strategic in how you handle their traps.
00:40:30.000So if a guy shows up with a gun, you arrest them.
00:40:32.000If a dupey ch a doofy chubby guy shows up, you you say, This guy, I said a month.
00:40:37.000Because he won't disappear he won't be disappeared.
00:40:39.000He'll get out in a month and say, I'm never doing that again, and his friends will be like, dude, I don't want to go anywhere near that stuff.
00:40:44.000Yeah, or or but what couldn't you also just get out in a month and say, I'm gonna go do it again?
00:41:35.000So for a guy who's on a first offense and is a doof, I say a month in jail.
00:41:39.000So a month in jail, I'm not talking about pleaing him down to community service.
00:41:43.000I'm saying you go to jail for a month.
00:41:44.000If you give them the maximum penalty right now, I wonder if it's a few.
00:41:49.000We've talked about like, you know, three strikes laws in general for like, you know, habitual criminals.
00:41:54.000But I wonder if you could do something like actually specifically dedicated for sort of antisocial rioting.
00:41:59.000Or maybe it is first offense, as you say, maybe a month, maybe even two weeks.
00:42:03.000And but then it's like your second one, it like radically escalates and at your third offense for like specifically disruptive rioting type stuff, even if it's what would normally be misdemeanor stuff.
00:42:14.000When we're once we're saying, Oh, you're just a person who always is going out and like starting stuff with cops and attacking federal facilities, all right.
00:44:07.000It was the fastest viral video in the history of YouTube at the time, over a million views in less than a day.
00:44:12.000That video created something like 30 or 40 occupied chapters across the country and sparked a movement from 500 to 300,000 in one weekend.
00:44:21.000The direct action people do this on purpose.
00:44:24.000They said, How can we get the cops to slip up?
00:44:27.000Another really great example is they have a video where it's a uh white shirt in New York swinging a baton wildly, and they CGI'd it to be a lightsaber.
00:44:37.000And then they said the police were beating, like, haha, look, we made a meme.
00:45:40.000I don't know what this kid did with the paint, but it looks like uh there's some people who poured red red paint on the sidewalk and then they were putting it on their hands, and they were like, look at the blood on the hands that ICE had.
00:45:50.000And if this kid did that, I mean it's not as egregious as throwing red paint on like an officer or somebody else.
00:45:56.000So the facts matter here, and I think we have to be super careful not to fall into the trap of the left and saw uh Linsky, who talked about this extensively, who sets up these traps for us in order to make us look like the bad guys.
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00:47:24.000And what I would say though is in addition to all of this, when we're talking about there needs to be a huge focus on the yellows because when you work with the networkers, the trainers, the recruiters, the people who are actually, you know, behind these mass movements, uh the their ability to spread it will be broken.
00:47:41.000So I'm not saying like this is that this is the only thing you do, but obviously it's going to be in tandem with those same operations going against the higher ups.
00:48:32.000Homicide, you know, involvement in those.
00:48:34.000So insight so conspiracy inside a riot is not one of them.
00:48:41.000You know, all I'm gonna say is to change it, you would just need some sort of national legislative body that was perhaps controlled by your party.
00:48:49.000Where are we gonna get one of the pass to pass a modification of that law?
00:48:53.000But I I don't know where we're gonna get one of those.
00:49:19.000Well, laundering m the thing is when you say launder money, like they're laundering money for a criminal enterprise and the criminal enterprises to enable and further civil disorder in the United States to like cause riots to get those people out of jail.
00:49:32.000Like most of their monetary stuff, like they frankly don't need to launder a ton of money because they're not getting the money through criminal means.
00:49:38.000They're just getting rich idiots to donate money to them.
00:49:40.000I bet in ten minutes you could find uh somewhere.
00:49:57.000When when they start going to businesses and threaten them, when you go to Berkeley and you see people putting up signs saying, please don't hurt us, and they put the symbols in their windows, this is this is RICO.
00:50:06.000So, sure, if you want to approach it as simplistically as they riot sometimes, but that's not what we're talking about.
00:50:12.000The yellow category is what he's saying is what he's saying is you could add it to the RICO statute to catch more.
00:50:18.000Or and and we could do that at the same time that they're working on that, we could be get charging these people with under RICO and going after them for criminal enterprise.
00:50:36.000So when they're when they're engaging in criminal acts under the threat, uh putting people under the threat of force in order to get money, you've got RICO.
00:50:44.000So the the most dangerous element, in fact, I don't think is actually the red category.
00:50:48.000These are the direct action guys who go on the ground and attack people.
00:50:51.000You arrest those guys, they're hoping they can get some of the they can get some of these greens radicalized and turn into reds.
00:50:56.000The yellows, these are the people who are connected to the NGOs who are being paid salaries by some nonprofit for some here here's here's it's actually really, really simple.
00:51:05.000Nonprofits are under very strict rules.
00:51:08.000Uh business is under very strict rules.
00:51:10.000I I I gotta I Jack, you you know this, and it's crazy.
00:51:13.000I have to explain this to people who've never run a business.
00:51:16.000You can't just hire someone for no reason.
00:51:18.000You running a company, can't I can't be like, hey Luke, you want a job?
00:51:23.000Okay, just I'll just pay you a salary.
00:51:29.000I have to file that with the IRS, and I have to prove it.
00:51:32.000So if you ever get audited, they're gonna say, Show me Mr. Rodkowski's work and show and prove to me that he's doing it, otherwise you've committed a crime.
00:51:38.000When nonprofits, which are under stricter regulation, hire staffers and then tell them, hey, why don't you take the day off?
00:51:46.000Wink, and those that person goes down to organize a protest.
00:51:49.000Now you've got serious business and fraud uh at the at the nonprofit.
00:51:53.000Which and I can tie this back to the SPLC because remember uh Stopcop City uh that was going on in outside of Atlanta when they were attacking this uh police facility, Atlanta PD facility trading facility that was being built out in in disforested area and Antifa were like living in trees at one point and then conducting serious attacks on the facility, uh burning, you know, Molotov cocktails, this type of thing.
00:52:19.000Well, at one point in one of the major assaults on the facility, uh there was an SPLC lawyer who was not there, and by the way, not there from as a quote unquote legal observer, like we can see the guys in the green hats.
00:52:33.000Um wow, it just hit something on my head.
00:52:43.000When you raise money for a charity that says we're going to lobby for environmental issues, but then your paid staff are going and organizing protests, you've defrauded the people who have donated to you.
00:52:54.000So there's there's a there's a bunch of real easy ways to go after these people.
00:52:57.000And so anyway, just to kind of wrap it up, my point ultimately was put them all in jail.
00:53:02.000I was just saying be careful about rat giving them the radicalization tools they need by being overbearing on some moron chubby guy who doesn't know what's going on.
00:53:10.000The yellow the guys in yellow should get 10 years.
00:53:38.000And that arrest was classic intimidation, but getting back to the original, the original point of RICO was uh uh would it racketeering and criminal organizations?
00:53:56.000Have you seen how all the businesses have signs in their windows that either say please don't hurt me or we're leftists?
00:54:02.000Yeah, and I'm I'm pretty sure you see it all over the place.
00:54:04.000I'm pretty sure the Chinese nail salon that was all immigrants didn't actually believe in Marxist Leninism.
00:54:09.000When I was in uh signing their windows, when I was in Chaz and uh we had all the buildings around there, and I I lived in Jazz for a week.
00:54:17.000Um, and you would see the businesses, and people were trying as hard as they could, you know, sushi places and car dealers and whatever it was to you know put the signs up saying, you know, and many of them by the way have now gone on to sue the city of Seattle.
00:54:30.000And I I believe there may have been a settlement in that case where uh they said, You've completely deprived us of our rights.
00:54:36.000You allowed this organization of armed individuals to prey on us.
00:54:41.000You told the police to leave the area around the Capitol Hill, uh Capitol Hill, Caly Anderson Park, that neighborhood, which they later then became the Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone.
00:54:53.000And and and all of these businesses sued because their places were getting burned, they were getting squatted in, uh, nobody could work.
00:54:59.000There also be also people who lived in there because there it was mixed use.
00:55:02.000So those people couldn't even come in and out of their homes on a regular basis.
00:55:07.000I think where they have a video they want us to play.
00:55:09.000Oh, there's a video, and then we might do our swap.
00:55:13.000We're hot swapping, we're hot swapping.
00:55:41.000Anyway, as I leave where we where do you guys see all the m momentum going on the right?
00:55:45.000Because there's cultural victories against the ADL, the SPLC, YouTube, uh, cultural victories against Netflix.
00:55:51.000Where do you guys want to see it to go?
00:55:52.000I mean, YouTube just uh took back our video with Johnson Joe Rogan, which is huge.
00:55:57.000Uh by the way, YouTube, you still have a whole bunch of my videos deleted.
00:56:00.000I I would love them back, especially the ones with us talking with David Icke, predicting everything that happened that got taken down for COVID misinformation about 10, 12 years ago.
00:58:08.000They get real uh Blake here was um standing about three steps away when when it all went down.
00:58:15.000Uh a lot of the staff that's uh that's currently working were there with him that day.
00:58:20.000And you know, we I don't want to like derail the vibe here, but it's it's it's real.
00:58:26.000What concerned me was that his funeral, uh the the memorial, you know, where everybody Trump was there, Stephen Miller was there, and they I caught some clips where you know Erica's like truly experiencing a level of forgiveness which comes from like kindness and humility and those are virtues, and then Trump's like, I hate my opponents.
00:58:42.000Let me let me get this entire thought out before you join in.
00:58:44.000I hate I hate my opponents, which is wrath, which is the sin opposite of patience, the virtue.
00:58:50.000And to exhibit sin, like if you live in virtue, you're you're living with Christ, you're like Christ.
00:58:56.000If you live in sin, you're like, well, you're anti-Christ.
00:58:59.000So to you everybody can exert a moment of anti-Christ behavior by bodying the sins.
00:59:05.000And when Stephen particularly, I'd love to hang out with Stephen Miller and talk about this, because when he he issued a threat to all of our opponents, he he spoke and then he said, and to all those that oppose us, you are hateful.
00:59:14.000But he was he was broadcasting this that that threat should have gone on a on a direct channel to the opponent to for to broadcast a threat terrorizes the populace.
00:59:24.000So I I think we Well, I would argue the populist is currently being terrorized by the people killing Charlie Current.
00:59:29.000And he was speaking to the he was to those people who are listening, they weren't being terrorists by him, they were being comforted by him.
00:59:34.000It's like it's like saying in Minecraft, you are a hateful person.
00:59:36.000But and I'm like saying it right to you.
00:59:39.000Let me ask you this though, but so you you say that, but Stephen Miller and President Trump are both currently officials of the federal government.
00:59:49.000And the Bible also tells us that in Romans and many other places, that it is the role of legitimate government to hold the sword, to wield the sword, and to use the sword for justice.
01:00:03.000So when he's talking about that, uh I'm looking at that as the role of the magistrate to enact justice for what was done to Charlie.
01:00:50.000I will admit, I will admit that, or I will add, I should say, that he did say, I'm open to letting Erica convince me otherwise.
01:00:57.000That's why I bring it up because we're all capable of exhibiting anti-Christ behaviors, and we need to keep each other in check as we get more powerful and famous and well loved.
01:01:04.000If you if someone were to snap and then start embodying sin, they wouldn't hit retrospect.
01:01:08.000Like that was the anti it's just a guy exhibiting anti-Christ.
01:01:11.000But I think that's I think as what Jack is getting at, you know, you were saying you were happy that in the aftermath of this, there was not an explosion of mostly peaceful protests, as we might call them.
01:01:21.000Um and I agree that that's a good thing.
01:01:23.000But I do think latent within that reaction is the trust, the premise that there are legitimate state ways of responding to this, right?
01:01:34.000That they will obviously punish the killer find and punish the killer, and also that they will prevent future assassinations like this happening, up to and including through, you know, corralling these violently antisocial elements that want to kind of stoke low-level political violence across America and put all of us at risk.
01:01:58.000If they lose their confidence that that can occur, there will be people who will go in alternative, more radical directions.
01:02:04.000This is exactly what we were talking about last night on Timcast, that what happens when the legitimate authority, just on a practical level, what happens when a legitimate government does not rise to the level of that government, does not provide for the safety of the people, and then the people say, All right, if the government won't do it, then I have to do it.
01:02:26.000Yeah, that'd be the splinter into factional gang.
01:02:38.000No, as in hypothetically, let's say there was like a left wing, a radical left-wing president, and this happened to Charlie, and like the president came out and basically said, like, he deserves it, and I'm going to sign a federal pardon for whoever did it.
01:02:50.000Which is and then like the state authorities to what Barack Obama actually said, by the way, after Charlie's murder, he you know, he he's he he kind of gave the comment where, you know, uh, this is terrible, it shouldn't have happened.
01:03:01.000He goes, but then he reads off this litany of things that Charlie uh actually had said on this show on thought crime, and and but you know, twisted in such a way and totally decontextualized to remind his listeners, and and by all by all intents, Barack Obama is the leader of the Democrat Party, so he's sort of saying, you know, hey, you shouldn't have done this, but he was a bad guy.
01:03:27.000They're cre so uh Joe Rogan brought this up when he said, I think the people who hate Charlie think he was a bad guy and they think they were good guys, and I counter with no, they didn't know who Charlie was at all.
01:03:56.000I got this question I want to ask you guys particularly.
01:03:58.000Um a commenter said, Hey, maybe Charlie would have wanted the man that killed him to receive multiple life sentences so that he had an opportunity to atone in prison and find God and f and and and really on his knee like and I I'd just been like, oh, death penalty, death penalty, no question, death penalty.
01:04:16.000And now I'm like, would it be better if he was able to suffer and and well, Blake, you know, you you you spent a lot of time with Charlie talking about this issue, you know, what would and obviously you know, Charlie had certain of an arc with with that.
01:04:29.000Where do you where do you think he would be I mean I it's an impossible question?
01:04:33.000I don't think Char Charlie would admit to like conflicted feelings about it, but as you said, there was an arc.
01:04:37.000He kind of earlier on he had you'll see this pretty commonly with uh especially like pro-life uh people on the right where they'll want they'll feel they want maximum consistency, so they'll be opposed to abortion, and they'll also be the Pope Leo's comments.
01:04:49.000Pope Leo's comments yesterday were all about that.
01:04:51.000Right before he blessed ICE, as it were.
01:05:17.000No, so but then Charlie himself, I would argue with him about this because I would you know, first of all, you you reject vengeance as a principle that uh why you would do this, but yeah, and but there are valid justifications for the death penalty, and it's not merely that this individual person is dangerous.
01:05:34.000I feel the best argument in favor of capital punishment is that you have to show maximum levels of condemnation for the most destructive or evil acts in your society to say something like this is so intolerable, it will be ripped out of the body politic like the cancer that it is,
01:05:51.000and I think political assassination, which doesn't just you know, kill end one life, it threatens to basically destroy the country because we have a system that is based on nonviolent resolution of differences through debate, through voting, through argument, and someone went and smashed that to bits with a rifle.
01:06:11.000And I think Charlie was very was like very understanding of that that when you when a state he was coming to accept that that when you refuse to consider maximally severe penalties on the worst criminals, you're kind of exhibiting this general moral cowardice within your society, and you're spreading it.
01:06:31.000Now, should the man have an opportunity to find God?
01:06:35.000Yes, but you know, if he receives a proper trial and so forth, he will get all of those things.
01:06:41.000Far more than there are plenty of people, by the way, who are like police kill, they just are they're killed in the act, for example.
01:06:47.000Like we will do lethal force to stop a criminal who is a danger to others.
01:07:13.000I was I would strongly encourage us to find a way to reform that.
01:07:16.000Like, no one who does something like a political assassination where like if you're able to prove their guilt, I suspect it will not be in any serious doubt.
01:07:25.000Uh you know, if you need to accelerate it, if you need full-time legal proceedings to make sure this is all done and dusted in two years, in three years, make it happen.
01:07:34.000Yeah, but but but but functionally right now, if he got the death penalty, he'd be in jail for ten years.
01:07:38.000But we should we should definitely work on getting rid of that.
01:07:40.000But because one, that would actually make the death penalty itself more effective.
01:07:44.000We should never have someone getting executed where we need to trot out 30-year-old newspaper articles to remind them of why they were sentenced that way.
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01:08:54.000And so in 1901, when an anarcho-socialist uh murdered President McKinley, um, that anarcho-socialist, the assassin, was executed in the electric chair just 45 days after killing President McKinley.
01:09:25.000And there's a scene where someone gets accused of pickpocking, pickpocketing, so they just grab the guy and string him up and kill him on the spot.
01:09:32.000That's how it used to be back in the day.
01:10:05.000It was just, did someone see it happen or not?
01:10:07.000And do we trust the person and people could lie or otherwise?
01:10:09.000It's actually uh Well, and in the case of of um the uh the uh McKinley's assassin, this was done, I believe it was the world expo in Buffalo.
01:10:19.000So it means he was in front of you know he he was a receiving line and he walked up with a gun.
01:10:23.000So for this community that all watched it happen, yeah, it was real easy to just and also like Lee Harvey Oswald, they they got him within day a day or something of Kennedy's, and then Jack Ruby, the guy that killed him, got killed even right after that.
01:10:35.000Like, who knows, maybe they were covering trails.
01:10:36.000Yeah, Jack Ruby killed Oswald and then died got killed.
01:10:43.000We know the CIA has a has a cancer gun, I think was revealed in the church.
01:10:46.000Okay, well, to use a recent example, like Dylan Roof.
01:10:50.000I think America would have less pretty racial trauma, less political trauma in it.
01:10:54.000If Dylan Roof, instead of sitting on death row to this day, occasionally writing letters to people and stuff that come out and like cause discord.
01:11:02.000Like, what if Dylan Roof had just been executed eight months after that shooting in Charleston?
01:11:06.000I think that would have made America a lot better place.
01:11:11.000I think conservatives typically come from a world uh a world view that we are in a country that is a community.
01:11:19.000When I think what we saw, you know, three weeks ago shows that we are not, that there are people who do not live in the same country as we do, despite occupying similar land.
01:11:27.000And I do not want to give these power, these people the power to execute who they see fit.
01:11:31.000I don't think Kamala Harris having the right to execute people is a good idea by any stretch.
01:11:36.000So if the argument if she were elected president, she wouldn't have the ability to do that.
01:11:52.000In the country we have now, the argument for the creation of a uh mechanization of the state to kill means that you've got all the Soros DAs going like, let's start killing people.
01:12:14.000My point is that that in in these areas where you have Soros DAs or uh you know, soros control over huge swaths of territory, uh, these are the very same policies where they're not doing that.
01:12:25.000The reason I brought up Oswald's because I feel like they hushed it up.
01:12:27.000They didn't want like this guy that's sitting in prison right now that killed Charlie that uh uh what he was allegedly the evidence seems to point to, he might come out and tell us something that was like what and have evidence like well he'll he'll get a trial.
01:12:40.000He will get it, he will get a fair trial um if he has mitigating factors, if he if he was you know, if if there is something else that that we don't know about yet, he will have the opportunity to present that.
01:12:54.000This guy is a Patsy who worked with leftists.
01:12:57.000There was there were there there's a uh uh appears to be evidence of coordination.
01:13:01.000Now I'm not gonna say that this is something I I truly believe, just a thought.
01:13:05.000What happens if the evidence comes out that that communication between him and his furry boyfriend seems very scripted.
01:13:14.000And this has caused a lot of people to start pushing conspiracy theories.
01:13:17.000Matt Walsh, I think, had the the best point in that it looks like he wrote this to create reasonable doubt so that it could uh be used as exculpatory evidence for the boyfriend who was actually involved.
01:13:28.000What happens if in three months the boyfriend's like, oh, by the way, here's the proof I didn't do it.
01:13:33.000I I did this so that the real killers could escape.
01:13:36.000You know, it's all the the text messages were to prevent So Matt Walsh's theory, I agree with him on this, but I'm I want to give him credit for it.
01:13:47.000The messages that came out from the FBI between the alleged assassin and the boyfriend have no typos and are written like theater kids, like it's a script.
01:13:56.000And liberals have come out saying this proves the FBI faked it, like the conspiracy theorists.
01:14:01.000Then there's just general conspiracy theories that that's not real, the FBI faked it.
01:14:05.000I don't think that's the case at all, especially knowing cash.
01:14:07.000Matt Walsh said what likely happened is the assassin wrote this fake set of messages to the boyfriend, so that in the event of a criminal trial where they bring charges against the boyfriend who coordinated and helped the assassination, they're gonna show these messages to the jury and say, reasonable doubt, the messages show the boyfriend had nothing to do with it.
01:14:29.000Yeah, so the idea being No, I get that.
01:14:34.000I I I get what you're saying, I'm just making sure I'm following the the the theory you're presenting because you know, I've I've seen as well that um and if you read some of the Daily Mail reporting that's gone out on this, you know, these ideas that actually they were saying that it was the boyfriend who was was more antisocial, uh, that he was, you know, people referring to him.
01:14:53.000And again, this is just based on their reporting.
01:14:55.000I I don't have any direct uh knowledge of this, so you know they could be wrong, right?
01:15:00.000And and that in fact he was far more political than uh Tyler Robinson had been.
01:15:07.000And in fact, people were saying that he it was them living together as roommates that really kind of corrupted Robinson.
01:15:15.000And so there's questions of, you know, did he pull him into this group and do all this?
01:15:20.000No, but none of that, none of that changes the fact of who was on the on the roof and who pulled the trigger.
01:16:36.000I'm I'm saying if there's a coordinated network, we've got a very, very serious problem, and I believe that's the same.
01:16:41.000Well, and like and obviously And by the way, you know, you'd still, of course, need to you'd need to present that in court.
01:16:48.000You need to present evidence of all right, you know, are there are there fingerprints?
01:16:52.000Are there, you know, who had access to the gun.
01:16:54.000And by the way, the the you know, Tyler Robinson, the fact that it was again his father's gun.
01:16:59.000You know, originally the grandfathers would, you know, the father in control of it.
01:17:03.000Um that uh you know, this this the fact that you know you'd you have to say, okay, was the boyfriend physically you know, because there was about what three hours away, you know, so was he physically anywhere present?
01:17:52.000So I saw there were some Discords that came out that that uh an account that has been associated with Tyler Robinson was, but it was more of like a gamer chat.
01:18:00.000Think about the people who use Discord, all right.
01:18:18.000And then you can also just join the I am a you know, I'm transgender lunatic on the doing there's a lot of things.
01:18:24.000And then where's the so where's the furry chat?
01:18:27.000And where's the furry porn extreme furry porn chat that this guy was looking at, which included, by the way, depictions of like children or what they call cub porn.
01:18:39.000Oh, these people in in furry parlance, which is a term that I I have to know now.
01:18:44.000And if you have been on Discord, you will know transgender people are lunatics.
01:18:48.000Like they're just uh they're they're extremists and they take over things.
01:18:52.000So you can join some group that's related to something totally different, some game series, some hobby, but like the moderator will take it over and they'll be you know, some sort of furry or transgender thing.
01:19:02.000And then now the logo of your group has a permanent pride flag in the background.
01:19:06.000Uh a very funny example of this is like the the NFL subreddit on Reddit, like has permanent, like you know, the full trans pride flag is like still still waving on it right now in their center icon.
01:20:59.000But my concern would be that the video would be taken of it, and then that would re replicate a hundred million times online for little kids would see it and they'd go even crazier and it would do like public execution.
01:21:11.000I'm looking at Blake because this thing that you're talking about is one of the things that people have been using to smear Charlie about that he said on this program.
01:21:25.000And then on top of that, we also brought up I I brought up what I've argued before.
01:21:29.000I was like, well, yeah, the death penalty is not a very good deterrent now because it's a thing that is done a handful of times because it's 30 years after the fact it's not immediate.
01:21:38.000And I said, if you're gonna do it properly, like it should be swift, it should be pretty consistently applied for certain crimes.
01:21:44.000So it's like if you do assassination, if you do multiple mergers, like you will barring extreme mitigating circumstances, get the death penalty.
01:21:52.000And then one of the things I argued is it should arguably be done like in public in some way.
01:21:57.000Like people should be able to see justice being a few.
01:22:12.000And then and then Blake added, and then he threw out, he's like, and what age like should we have people watch it?
01:22:17.000And I and I threw out, I was like, maybe 12.
01:22:20.000And my all to explain my thinking is we have people in like DC, for example, where if you have you heard about the carjackings going on in DC all the time.
01:22:28.000The people who do this are heavily minors because if you are 20 years old and carjack someone, you trigger like the federal carjacking offense and you sweat.
01:22:35.000You see this, but if you're a minor, you just go to Juvie.
01:22:38.000You know, a 13-year-old is involved in a shooting, a 13 carjacking, 130.
01:22:49.000Let me no, no, no, let me let me tell you.
01:22:51.000I can't speak for the rest of the country.
01:22:53.000I can tell you in Chicago, the urban violence that we have would not be solved or mitigated in any way by public executions or death penalty.
01:23:07.000So uh where I grew up, these a lot of the shootings you get in Chicago are about dishonor.
01:23:13.000So I actually I went night crawling with a journalist once, and we there's like five corpses.
01:23:17.000They were uh one house was an old lady who got shot because three dudes pulled up and unloaded switches spray to the house.
01:23:24.000They were looking for a dude who went on Snapchat and called the guy's girlfriend nasty or ratchet or something.
01:23:29.000Death penalty doesn't scare these guys because they they they want to go hard.
01:23:36.000If you take these urban criminals, and the penalty is they have to put on a diaper and a baby bonnet with a pacifier and hop like a bunny down Roosevelt Avenue, literally straight down it for like 12 miles, while everyone lines up and films it, and they have to say, I'm a big baby boo-boo over and over again, they'd stop committing crimes overnight.
01:23:56.000And I'm not exact I know it's a silly thought, and it's meant to be kind of silly.
01:23:59.000My point is if you tell them that you will dishonor them for life, they will hide from you and they will run in fear and they'll do everything they can to avoid.
01:24:19.000And I'm like, you could abolish prison, like a lot of prisons if you basically just had a situation where you were placed prison where on the low end, severe public humiliation.
01:24:35.000No, but for flogging getting flogged like on your butt on your bare butt is pretty humiliating.
01:24:39.000These guys are gonna in public to to a certain degree, but getting beaten, anything that makes them hard, they like they they don't say I don't want to go to jail, they say when I'm not kidding.
01:24:51.000On the South side, they say, when I go to jail, I will do this.
01:24:55.000If this happens to me, I will do that.
01:24:57.000They brag about how they might get the death penalty.
01:24:59.000The reason you don't brag when you get flogged is if you're getting flogged properly, you start screaming really loudly while it happens because it's extremely painful.
01:25:07.000I I know you're saying that, dude, but these guys shoot each other for less.
01:25:11.000They know they will get shot for less in public.
01:26:00.000They're listless, purposeless, and they are killed for much less than the crimes you're describing.
01:26:04.000They will they will they like watch Nick Shirley's got a great video where he goes to uh gang territory, they all carry around guns and they're like, you'll die for being in the wrong neighborhood.
01:26:14.000The death penalty for crossing the wrong street.
01:26:18.000Agreed, but it's gotta be a guy, uh it's gotta be a middle class white dad looking guy, and he's gotta be delivering the flogging with a guy bent over his lap while he wears a baby bonnet and a diaper.
01:26:30.000Here's another here's another thing beautiful.
01:26:32.000That's gonna be very, very offensive, but I guarantee you we'll make these guys avoid doing crime.
01:26:36.000Two guys who are accused of committing violent crime have to kiss each other in public.
01:26:41.000Oh these dudes and love and get thugging.
01:26:46.000Is there too much swearing in that video?
01:26:48.000You gotta show uh there's the sug and love video from the boom dock because we're up we're on YouTube right now.
01:26:53.000Oh, yeah, you took two gangbangers who are accused of serious violent crimes, and you said we're gonna put you on stage at Grant Park and you're gonna kiss, they'd be like, I'm going to Canada.
01:27:15.000With this situation with Charlie's death, I I felt like the best, the best like defense of it ever happening, something like this ever happening in was that it was the movement was impervious.
01:27:58.000Putting someone in prison for 20 years, or putting them in prison for two years, but while they're in prison, it's a glass front, everyone can watch, and they have to wear a baby bonnet and a diaper the whole time they're in prison.
01:29:45.000When in like once we developed television and we were able to record our own behavior and see how how some of the stuff like beating women on it used to be cool on like a movie, Sean Connery would smack a girl, but and then we were like, hold on, maybe now that we can see it from a distance, we realize this aspect of our humanity is gonna change.
01:29:59.000Just the cut culture in general is like stop hitting women on TV.
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01:31:49.000You're saying that television Because it's so much more persuasive than print, uh, especially on a mass scale.
01:32:00.000And and even more so than radio because it's visual, that uh the advent of television and the mass spread of television in uh from a commercial level and a personal level, uh particularly in the 1950s, and then that it may have led a sort of uh seated the ground for the counterculture of the 1960s and the cultural revolution that we saw in the United States.
01:32:22.000And in China, probably Mao's cultural revolution coincided with particularly radio.
01:32:28.000Radio, yes, radio, because that was like the first step is all audio recording, just records in general, and then Hitler used it, obviously, to mass form an entire society for whatever purpose he had.
01:32:38.000Uh and then by the way, I am I am told to say happy birthday to uh Chris.
01:32:46.000So uh it's Chris's birthday out there, he's a big fan and good friends with Michael.
01:32:52.000And I just want to say, hey, Chris, happy birthday.
01:33:23.000I was gonna say isn't that a they take eye drops with nanites in them that hit their memories, and then they get instantly get a memory of like skiing and aspen or something.
01:33:37.000Yeah, the the old Arnold Schwarzenegger like I'm gonna take a uh vacation to Mars.
01:33:41.000So there's like a guy and he says we can we can sell this to prisons, and then we can do 20 year prison sentences overnight, and then the woman who's works with them, she's like, This is supposed to be for entertainment, and then she like they get into a fight and then she makes him go to prison for a hundred years or something, and he's like, ah, and then a minute later comes back and he's insane.
01:33:56.000You could do the opposite too, where you put someone, they live their life 20 years go by, but they only remember like 10 seconds of it.
01:34:46.000Originally, that you know, if we remove certain parts of the brain that target aggression or you know, whatever the variety is.
01:34:53.000Uh I would say depends on the depends on the conversation.
01:34:56.000Let's say you've got somebody who's in the case uh let's say there's like a brutal murder and it's like death penalty warranted, and the court the courts are like, we can give the death penalty, or we can rewrite his brain so that he no longer has the ability to be violent or do any of these things.
01:35:11.000He'll still go to prison for a certain amount of time, like 20 years, but you know, would you prefer that over the death penalty?
01:35:18.000Twenty years in prison and a rewriting of their brain so they can never commit a murder again.
01:35:22.000No, Fryan I think that that it's really gonna start happening with Palantir and Neural Net, the ability to to and graphene sensors like super sensitive sensors where you can actually record brain waves and understand and reverse engineer thought patterns and stuff that we will have the opportunity to blank people's brains aspects of it without medical but then what happens when that system gets hacked?
01:36:02.000For legal reasons, I will simply direct you to Nate Friedman uh on Instagram, Nate Friedman underscore, and uh just watch his videos.
01:36:12.000So um I can probably name twelve or more.
01:36:17.000Yeah, I'm just going, I'm going through.
01:36:19.000I'm like, okay, so DT Antifa has this one, this one, this one, this one, uh the you know, and people who have been charged, by the way, uh, for for various things.
01:36:28.000Um the person who uh you know assaulted me in uh Lincoln Square Park when um you know, there's that picture of us.
01:36:36.000I'm gonna put it like this the name court records.
01:36:38.000Considering Trump has named them a terrorist organization, there's a whole legal minefield in starting to name people who we know are organizing these things and are working with funding.
01:36:47.000And uh I'm I'm actually friends a lot of them on Facebook, actually, because I know I'm from Zoccupy.
01:36:52.000And uh I would just say Nate Friedman is doing a really good job of investigating a lot of these people.
01:36:56.000You all you gotta do is look at his page, and he's got dossiers on these guys.
01:36:59.000It's crazy that ladies, the dude that I know on Facebook tends to type things like pick up bricks.
01:37:04.000I'm like, I feel like I should report it to the FBI.
01:37:06.000I'm like, then I think about the Nazis and how people would like inform on them when there's a Jew, and I'm like, I want nothing to do with this.
01:37:13.000Just distance myself from this crazy radical rhetoric.
01:37:18.000You're right, Ian, those are the same thing.
01:37:19.000Like being a Jew who owns a store is the same thing as being a violent extremist who wants people to go commit acts of terrorism.
01:37:36.000Tweedledee Tweedledumb death threats, don't fly anymore, lock them all up.
01:37:40.000If if Tweedle D says pick up a brick, if Tweedledum says fascists should hit with bricks, but then what if he would have said there's the fascists?
01:37:49.000What if he tweeted out hey fascist catch?
01:37:52.000Right, yeah, it's sensitive to the time of that being on a bullet that was used.
01:37:56.000Well, look if someone we are now in a post-Charlie Kirk world.
01:38:00.000Well then in a post-Charlie Kirk world, uh I think a lot of those niceties that we used to play by, they just don't apply.
01:38:07.000So what happens with people that witness things like pick up a brick and they don't say anything about it, are they now an accomplice?
01:38:12.000It's not no, it it is it is they are cowards.
01:38:14.000It is not a crime to not report a crime.
01:38:17.000Um, however, you you should, as a citizen of the United States, because you would want to know if someone was so let's say someone had decided to, and I mean, look, let's let's be fair.
01:38:27.000Um obviously uh this studio, this uh turning point has faced uh numerous threats.
01:38:33.000You guys have been swatted and uh targeted so many times.
01:38:38.000So I would absolutely pick up the phone and call Tim or call you and say, hey guys, I saw this thing, you might want to key into it.
01:38:48.000And we and this happens, and I've been in uh this is current.
01:38:52.000I'm not gonna get into specifics for security reasons, but I've currently been in contact directly to with the FBI over what's going on.
01:38:59.000That's how Serious things are right now.
01:39:02.000If Tweedledee says someone should kill fascists, and then Tweedledumb points at Jack and goes, hey, look, a fascist, lock them both up.
01:39:10.000The point of what they're doing is they're trying to say, as long as half of the phrase is from one person and half is from the other, we haven't created a an imminent threat against an individual.
01:39:43.000Um we got here, he was screaming and punching a pillow.
01:39:47.000But it was a pillow that looked like Ian's.
01:39:49.000There's like I ask only uh and I'll let you answer if you do have the I'm thinking of the Mylai massacre in Vietnam where the troops were basically broken by seeing their friends die and they massacred a village of women and children, and then they had to land a guy land a helicopter, pointed at the guns at his own men, and was like, Stop or I'm gonna kill you all.
01:40:06.000And it was the captain got charged and then pardoned for it.
01:40:12.000I don't want to talk too much about it, not the least, because I've been told not to say too much about it as an eyewitness.
01:40:18.000Um Blake could be called at the trial.
01:40:21.000Yeah, I'm not sure what I'd say besides what I saw, but uh I don't know.
01:40:31.000I I guess I I just would prefer rather not to wallow in that.
01:40:35.000I would I would say though that Blake look, you've been here every day since.
01:40:39.000I mean, you've been handling it for and and everyone here who who was there, including uh we have staffers here who uh went even beyond that.
01:40:49.000And I just don't want to get into it right now, but you know, it's uh I I and I'll just answer in for Blake in a sense, you've you've never called for anything other than a fair trial.
01:41:02.000And we were here live when uh they announced the charges, and we had a very civil discussion about how we want this person to have a fair trial.
01:42:03.000Now government coming to use the the boot of of force on and terror networks, and like and in China, like we had the Tian Min Square massacre that was incredibly brutal and then silenced the rapids.
01:42:15.000According to the government, they were.
01:42:16.000And then the Hong Kong riots where they were out there spraying water with mixed with um you know pepper spray with blue ink so that they can burn these people's skin and then track them down later, like it wasn't to burn their levels, track them down later.
01:42:28.000And it burned their skin in the process with the pepper spray, but what level of brutality would you be willing to accept to get this job done?
01:42:38.000I know that's a vague term, and it's never again.
01:42:42.000Right, let me slow you down and try and explain something.
01:42:45.000I don't think you know what's going on in the world, nor do you understand what it takes to create a civil civil uh a society.
01:42:53.000Uh and uh I'm not saying that derisively.
01:42:55.000You're saying what degree of brutality are you willing to accept?
01:42:58.000Apparently, even the assassination of our friend has not changed our minds in escalating force in any unlawful way.
01:43:05.000So the point is they have not only killed people we love and care about, they have killed innocent bystanders, they have shot people simply for driving their cars, they have imprisoned the president, they've arrested his lawyers, they have they they they have committed such egregious violations of our moral worldview, the degree of brutality, I think uh let's just call it 100% brutality.
01:43:26.000Because I think when you when you arrest Trump's lawyers on Constitutionally, raid his home, target his family, when you arrest all of his business associates, falsely accuse him of rape, run them through the courts, try and seize his property, falsely accuse him of fraud, target his supporters, create a a police force that goes nationwide raids people's homes.
01:43:42.000We're talking about the highest degree of brutality.
01:43:45.000So what degree of brutality are willing to accept?
01:43:50.000Because like worst case, I'm thinking I'm picturing oh, we get we're gonna we're gonna get moving.
01:43:54.000But to go like if Antifa were to hole up in a building, they're they're leaders and they're pointing their guns out, and they're not letting guys in guy try to kick the windows in, Navy SEALs, four troops get killed, they're like, just blow up the building.
01:44:04.000They got civilians in there, take out the building.
01:45:39.000By the way, their public opinion was stro or strongly on his side, if I remember correctly, because they they viewed him as being extremely overcharged.
01:45:47.000I think we covered this like a while ago, didn't we?
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01:46:32.000Um Erica, who was was here the other day, sitting right where Blake is.
01:46:36.000Uh Tim, actually, where you're sitting right now is where Erica gave her speech.
01:46:41.000I'm on you know, that's that's the spot.
01:46:44.000And and uh she said there is there are unreleased uh you know tapes and you know, maybe speeches that were uh private for a you know a fund fundraising group, etc.
01:46:56.000that people can go into and so uh members at Charlie Kirk, members.charlie Kirk.com, members.
01:47:16.000I've been talking about it a little bit more, and I I've just had a few more conversations as of recent.
01:47:21.000Uh obviously, I'll keep it a bit vague, but in the past couple of weeks, the amount of threats we've got have been extremely serious and have escalated to the point where I'm in direct contact with the FBI, which is a pretty crazy thing to say, because I wouldn't have bothered doing that in the previous administration.
01:47:35.000We had a bunch of threats with the bomb threats of swattings and they didn't do jack.
01:47:38.000Uh this current FBI is taking it very seriously, and the threats we have are legit and very serious, and probably the worst we've ever seen.
01:47:46.000I've been told quite a bit by everybody, just don't bring it up, don't talk about it, you make it worse.
01:47:49.000The problem with that is is exactly as Steven Crowder pointed out, so I stand with him in saying this.
01:47:53.000If we do not explain to everybody watching that in order to have shows like this where we're goofing off and having philosophical conversations about morals and stuff.
01:48:02.000Just doing this results in people taking real action to try and end our lives.
01:48:08.000And in Charlie's case, they they these horrible people murdered this man.
01:48:14.000I think it's important that we do talk about it when it does happen.
01:48:18.000I've talked about, you know, we we the swatting's never stopped.
01:48:41.000We are spending tens of thousands of dollars more than we normally do because of how serious it is.
01:48:46.000And I I'm literally having to get on the phone with the FBI because of how serious it is.
01:48:50.000I don't want to go into any personal details, but let me just say these things are terrifying.
01:48:55.000If we don't talk about it, regular people have the perception that we're chilling, having a good time, making bank, life is good.
01:49:04.000The left, I don't think experiences the degree of threats that we do.
01:49:08.000Um I will say this there's a particular leftist personality who lives in a normal urban neighborhood with neighbors, everybody knows this, and he doesn't seem to have a care in the world, despite having a massive audience and being a prominent leftist.
01:49:21.000And I have to move out of the city and get away because we had a pedophile trying to break into my house when I was in Jersey.
01:49:27.000And the cops the worst things to have break into your house.
01:50:50.000And make jer New Jersey red jersey make that happen.
01:50:55.000We've seen, and we talked about last night, Tim, uh, I think three independent polls now in a row uh saying that this race is either within the margin of error or is completely tied.
01:51:07.000Restore the right of self-defense to New Jerseyans.
01:51:10.000And yes, yes, even as a Pennsylvanian, I will say that New Jerseyans do deserve rights.
01:51:17.000Uh you know, you know, well, we case by case basis, perhaps.
01:51:21.000But you know, the right to self-defense should be sacrosanct, and this is absolutely something that a new governor and uh legislature, of course, hopefully can push through.
01:51:30.000And always remember the big picture rule.
01:51:32.000The reason this is the law is that when someone breaks into your home, the right implicitly sympathizes with the homeowner who wants to be in attacked, and the left naturally sympathizes with the person breaking in.
01:51:53.000Uh you guys having us here and and affording us the ability to do the show from Charlie's studio to get to sit next to his great chair to get to uh have IRL in your in in the TPSA buildings.
01:52:03.000It's a it's it's an honor and a privilege.
01:52:05.000Well, I mean, I you know, we appreciate so much that you came in, that you dedicated an entire week to this to being here, and and you know, Tim's like, oh, well, it's scheduling.
01:52:20.000And you know, and I'm I'm not saying I'm judging people, you know, if they if they weren't able to make it to memorial or something like that, but you were here.
01:52:58.000And uh his first video went viral with you and Tucker Carlson sitting right here and talking about how it was Charlie Kirk who uh who said, you know what?