The Charlie Kirk Show - October 23, 2026


Tyler Robinson's Trial Date + AMA 283

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00:01:17.000 Welcome, everybody.
00:01:18.000 It is Friday, October 23rd, 2026.
00:01:23.000 I'm on assignment, still back in the studio on Monday, but Blake's holding it down in the Y Refi Studios in Phoenix, Arizona.
00:01:28.000 How are we doing, Blake?
00:01:29.000 We're doing lovely.
00:01:30.000 We have another drop, Blake, out of Maricopa County.
00:01:33.000 And I love to keep you guys updated on this because I want to continue proving to you in this audience.
00:01:41.000 The power of a ground game.
00:01:43.000 The power of a ground game is something that can defy the polls, and that is critically important.
00:01:48.000 So, I just want to start with this very quickly.
00:01:51.000 Another 53,260 ballots have been dropped in Maricopa County.
00:01:58.000 This time, for a fourth day in a row, Republicans take the county.
00:02:01.000 And as you know, as goes Maricopa, so goes the state.
00:02:05.000 We took it by 4.8 points.
00:02:07.000 4.8 points.
00:02:09.000 So, Republicans brought in 40.1% of the ballots, Democrats 35.3%.
00:02:14.000 Other, which would be Indies, 24.6.
00:02:17.000 So Republicans just took a margin of 4.8 in Maricopa.
00:02:21.000 That did not, we did not win a single drop until the Friday before the election.
00:02:25.000 So that is a great, great update out of Maricopa.
00:02:29.000 Blake and I and the team, we've been out knocking doors around the.
00:02:33.000 Blake, why don't you chime in?
00:02:35.000 Because I got to explain this a little bit.
00:02:36.000 Yeah, no.
00:02:36.000 It's my experience door knocking.
00:02:38.000 It's just part of.
00:02:39.000 Explain what it was like for you.
00:02:40.000 Yeah, well, it's just we had that meetup at the Super Chase event, which kind of just motivated everyone.
00:02:45.000 But then you could, it's literally as simple as.
00:02:48.000 You opened up the Turning Point app and you can ask it to find people near a specific location or just specifically where you are.
00:02:56.000 And then you actually go and knock on those doors.
00:02:59.000 And a lot of it is, if you're just doing that level of door knocking, a lot is just friendly reminders to people hey, ballots are out.
00:03:05.000 We know you're someone who's likely friendly to us.
00:03:08.000 We just like to encourage you to get in your early vote.
00:03:11.000 And if you do, you won't have any annoying people showing up at your door ever again, which is good motivation for some of them for sure.
00:03:17.000 That was my pitch.
00:03:18.000 And they're generally.
00:03:19.000 Very friendly people.
00:03:21.000 We had one person we approached, and she just said, Oh, yeah, I'm going to vote for every Republican.
00:03:26.000 Thanks.
00:03:27.000 And several cases like that.
00:03:30.000 But it's really just that basic.
00:03:33.000 You just need to, we're so in the thick of it, we can easily forget that for a lot of people, God bless them really, politics is not their big everyday obsession.
00:03:43.000 They have church stuff and family stuff and job stuff.
00:03:47.000 And they're just focused on the real world.
00:03:50.000 But they're still aligned with us.
00:03:52.000 And if you give them that nudge, you get them over the hump.
00:03:54.000 And we just need to get more nudges to our people because a sad disadvantage we've historically had is simply that the left has more fanatics who are just diehards about destroying this country often than we have fanatics who are diehard about saving it because our people generally have more going on.
00:04:11.000 If you have nothing else great going on in your life, you can get really obsessed with politics.
00:04:17.000 And we just need to have the machinery to counter that.
00:04:20.000 And that's what we've spent so long building up in Arizona, and we're hoping it will deliver returns for us in two weeks.
00:04:26.000 Absolutely.
00:04:27.000 And I had the same experience as Blake that when you go up to the doors, people are really lovely.
00:04:33.000 Every single one of the people that we talked to, sometimes you knock on a door and they're not home or whatever.
00:04:37.000 Sometimes it's a little uncomfortable because you got to go through a gate to get to a door and you're like, hey, you know, you stand back, you be respectful, you don't want them to feel like you're threatening them or something.
00:04:45.000 You just say, hey, I'm a volunteer with Turning Point Action.
00:04:48.000 We're just here to remind you to get your ballot in.
00:04:50.000 And I would say nine out of 10 times, if you just extrapolate that out, I think we did almost 50 doors, Ryan and I.
00:04:59.000 But if you extrapolate that out, it was like every single person was, hey, we're voting R up and down the ballot.
00:05:05.000 R up and down the ballot.
00:05:06.000 Okay, we got to get your ballot in.
00:05:07.000 Do you have a plan to get your ballot in?
00:05:08.000 Can we help you get your ballot in?
00:05:10.000 You know, it was very simple.
00:05:11.000 Do you have your ballot?
00:05:12.000 And by the way, the app is great.
00:05:13.000 It tells you who has a mailed in ballot that should have been in their possession.
00:05:18.000 And so you can tell them, hey, do you have your ballot?
00:05:19.000 Yeah, it's up on the kitchen counter, right?
00:05:22.000 So it's a really great experience.
00:05:23.000 It's not freaky at all.
00:05:24.000 It's not scary.
00:05:25.000 It's not intimidating.
00:05:26.000 The people are lovely.
00:05:27.000 And what else is very fun, Blake, is you go to these doors and Ryan and I kept looking at it.
00:05:31.000 It was like they all had Halloween decorations.
00:05:34.000 They seemed like they were community involved, engaged.
00:05:38.000 And then you would pass by the houses that aren't on your list, and you're like, oh, I'm starting to basically be able to predict which houses are Republican because they're just happier and lovelier.
00:05:47.000 And they're just part of the community and they're invested.
00:05:49.000 So I thought it was like a really good experience in that way as well.
00:05:52.000 So, anyways, four days in a row, R drops early voting in Maricopa.
00:05:58.000 Massive, massive sign.
00:05:59.000 We need to just expand this out across the entire country.
00:06:02.000 We really do.
00:06:04.000 We need to get to the next story here, though, Blake.
00:06:06.000 And that is, of course, the story around today's hearing in the Tyler Robinson case.
00:06:11.000 Exactly.
00:06:12.000 So, yeah, why don't you give us a primer on where we stand?
00:06:16.000 Well, normally, my take on how I'm interpreting it.
00:06:19.000 Ideally, we would be actually just broadcasting this hearing.
00:06:22.000 That was our plan.
00:06:23.000 We plan to broadcast every hearing we're able to.
00:06:25.000 That's why we did the preliminary hearing in July.
00:06:28.000 That's why we did the conclusion to it in September.
00:06:30.000 But very annoyingly, today's hearing, which seems far.
00:06:34.000 Less dramatic in terms of evidence than other ones.
00:06:38.000 There is not a live stream of it.
00:06:41.000 Judge Graff has been strangely difficult on this one for some reason.
00:06:45.000 Andrea Burkhart has seemed a little baffled by it herself.
00:06:48.000 That's our attorney who's been closely following this.
00:06:52.000 But right now, they are holding a hearing to discuss when the trial of Tyler Robinson will be held.
00:06:59.000 Well, the hearing is at 1 p.m. Mountain Time.
00:07:03.000 Oh, all right.
00:07:03.000 All right.
00:07:03.000 1 p.m. Mountain Time.
00:07:04.000 So actually, starting in a couple hours then.
00:07:07.000 So, hopefully, not going to take that long.
00:07:08.000 Each side has filed a brief about it.
00:07:11.000 And the state is arguing we could actually be ready within a year, they say.
00:07:17.000 But we think the trial itself will last quite some time, basically almost like three months, basically, or three or four months.
00:07:26.000 And so they say we should start in January 2028 so we're not disrupted by Thanksgiving and by Christmas.
00:07:33.000 So they ask for late January 2028.
00:07:36.000 And then the opposition, the defense, They're arguing we're going to be filing objections to every potential expert witness, every potential juror.
00:07:44.000 They basically lay out they're going to file an insane number of appeals against everything.
00:07:49.000 And so they argue we should have the trial in the third quarter of 2029.
00:07:54.000 And honestly, I don't know who's going to pull out ahead, but we are emphatic.
00:07:59.000 Erica, her family, they've filed a request.
00:08:03.000 Don't let this happen.
00:08:04.000 Victims have a right to a speedy trial.
00:08:07.000 It is actually harmful to the body politic that Charlie could be murdered and we have to wait four years for the case to go to trial.
00:08:15.000 It's obscene.
00:08:16.000 Yeah.
00:08:16.000 So I think this is absurd on its face.
00:08:19.000 And it seems like the defensive strategy is delay, delay, delay.
00:08:23.000 And if you think about it, if they were confident in their case that they believe that Tyler Robinson is in some way innocent, why would you want him to sit in rotten prison for four years?
00:08:33.000 Okay.
00:08:34.000 Why wouldn't you want to get justice served for your innocent client to get them released and be able to live their life again?
00:08:41.000 Right.
00:08:41.000 If you thought that he was really innocent.
00:08:43.000 Now, consider this Charlie's kids were three and one when he was murdered.
00:08:48.000 If you follow the defense's timeline here, they will be seven years old and five years old by the time.
00:08:55.000 The verdict is handed down according to that timeline.
00:08:59.000 So that's pretty wild.
00:09:01.000 So this obviously feels like an eternity for us.
00:09:05.000 And, you know, the defense is saying that they, or the state is saying that they can be ready by October of 2027.
00:09:11.000 That is the request.
00:09:13.000 That is emphatic that, hey, just start when you can start.
00:09:16.000 Why delay anything?
00:09:17.000 Because justice delayed is justice denied.
00:09:19.000 Here's another fact that I want everybody to understand Utah taxpayers have already spent $1.6 million on this case.
00:09:26.000 $1.6 million.
00:09:28.000 And that figure is going to balloon to $10 million by the time this is done, maybe more if you go by the defense's timeline.
00:09:36.000 So $1.6 million already spent, which is significant, which is substantial in a case like this.
00:09:42.000 And it will balloon to over as much as $10, maybe even more million dollars that Utah taxpayers have to spend defending somebody the state is alleging is an assassin.
00:09:52.000 So all of this process feels like this slow motion horror story.
00:09:58.000 It's a never ending horror story.
00:10:01.000 And you obviously want a fair trial.
00:10:03.000 Our process and our system demands a fair trial.
00:10:06.000 We want that.
00:10:07.000 We think that's important for this verdict to hold credibility in the eyes of the public, and we want that.
00:10:14.000 But this process should also be fair to the victims, to Erica, to her kids, to Charlie's parents.
00:10:21.000 And so we are emphatic.
00:10:22.000 I think that's the right word, Blake.
00:10:25.000 Push this forward, start this as soon as possible, because delaying is a form of torture and cruelty that is just unnecessary here.
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00:11:51.000 You know, this is the heat of the election season, obviously, and we have so much going on in so many different states.
00:11:59.000 It's almost, I think it's hard for most people to keep up with, but we got to keep our eye on the prize when it comes to voting integrity.
00:12:06.000 There's a news story out of Arizona.
00:12:09.000 So, some independent journalists, muckrakers, they basically went and they asked a number of.
00:12:18.000 I guess they were canvassers for different groups about, you know, could they register to vote?
00:12:25.000 So they posed as non citizens, Canadians, these types of things.
00:12:30.000 And one time after the next, with all these different canvassers, all Katie Hobbs aligned, all Democrat aligned, they all encouraged these people posing as voters to register to vote, anyways.
00:12:43.000 So let's go ahead and play a clip.
00:12:45.000 You'll get a feel for it.
00:12:46.000 It is shocking, shocking news how much fraud, how much cheating is going on here.
00:12:51.000 SAT 6.
00:12:52.000 I said I had Canadian friends that wanted to register to vote, and you said take this and tell them to do it online.
00:12:56.000 Would I be able to bring down my Canadian friends here and they could register as well?
00:13:00.000 Take this and tell them to do it online.
00:13:02.000 It seemed like you were ready to register me as an alleged non citizen.
00:13:04.000 How often do you register non citizens to vote, if at all?
00:13:08.000 Are you a USA citizen?
00:13:10.000 Not yet.
00:13:10.000 Just put yes.
00:13:11.000 Just get a no.
00:13:12.000 Okay, if you want to.
00:13:14.000 Why were you ready to submit my form even though I told you that I was a felon on probation?
00:13:18.000 I'm on probation for the felon.
00:13:20.000 Oh, you're serving it.
00:13:20.000 Thank you for the vote.
00:13:21.000 We've got multiple organizations that are working to re elect. 0.90
00:13:25.000 Katie Hobbs, that are willing to register non citizens and felons.
00:13:28.000 Katie, do you have any comments?
00:13:30.000 It's one of those things where we know it's going on, but then to see somebody go and expose it like this is very, very troubling.
00:13:37.000 So, one of the groups that they spoke with was Stand Indivisible Arizona.
00:13:43.000 So, obviously, this group has endorsed Governor Hobbs.
00:13:46.000 Indivisible is the same group that does the No Kings protest.
00:13:51.000 So, their journalist posed as a Canadian citizen, asked to register to vote.
00:13:55.000 The canvasser Not only did she agree to help the alleged non citizen register, but when asked whether other Canadians could register too, she said, Tell them to do it online.
00:14:06.000 Exhibit A. Another one Worker Power, that are also working to re elect Governor Hobbs.
00:14:12.000 The journalist told the canvasser they were not a U.S. citizen.
00:14:15.000 Despite this, at the journalist's request, the canvasser marked yes on the citizenship question of the voter registration form.
00:14:23.000 Okay.
00:14:24.000 Exhibit B. When we count, Excuse me.
00:14:30.000 This is the DNC's own registration program.
00:14:33.000 Their journalist posed as a felon on probation and asked to register to vote.
00:14:37.000 The canvassers looked up the law and said that a felon on probation is ineligible.
00:14:42.000 Even so, they encouraged the journalist to register.
00:14:45.000 You should just do it, they said, quote unquote.
00:14:49.000 That's Exhibit C. Exhibit D.
00:14:51.000 The AFL CIO, Phone Bank Mobilization Voters for Governor Hobbs, their undercover journalist asked a phone bank trainer whether to ask the people being called if they're citizens.
00:15:01.000 The trainers answered, We don't.
00:15:04.000 Don't care.
00:15:06.000 That's four different exhibits, Blake, showing Democrat canvassers specifically flouting voting law.
00:15:15.000 And we have been told over and over and over again that non citizens are not voting, that illegals are not voting.
00:15:21.000 And yet this blows the lid on that entire farce.
00:15:24.000 Well, it shows how it works in a lot of these cases.
00:15:29.000 We pointed this out with 2020 that whatever you think about centrally planned ballot fraud, what 110% happened.
00:15:36.000 Is they wanted to make the process as loose as possible.
00:15:39.000 Just don't check, don't ask, don't try to verify what's going on, create a lot of friction.
00:15:45.000 So, like that last one, should we ask if they're a citizen?
00:15:48.000 We don't care.
00:15:49.000 In other words, yeah, just kind of encourage them to come in and really they know almost no one's likely going to check.
00:15:56.000 Or if they do check, we can use blue states to gum up the process. 0.61
00:16:01.000 Or ideally, the best thing possible, what they want to do, what they're doing in California, is they want to make it as easy as possible for illegals or non citizens to vote.
00:16:10.000 So that they can have enough of it, that they can throw up their hands and say, What are you going to prosecute all of these people? 0.66
00:16:16.000 That is what they want to do.
00:16:17.000 They want to make it so glaring and so over the top that they can basically say, Oh, it's too difficult to undo what we've done.
00:16:25.000 And these are the same people who spent a decade telling us that illegal voting is so rare, it basically rounds to zero. 1.00
00:16:33.000 And they're just, they're full of crap. 1.00
00:16:34.000 Yeah. 1.00
00:16:34.000 Well, so, and this kind of piggybacks on a story out of California. 1.00
00:16:38.000 We talked about it, but.
00:16:39.000 Bill Asale, who's the first assistant United States attorney, produced a list of 20,000 non citizens on California's voter rolls.
00:16:47.000 20,000.
00:16:48.000 This is supposed to be the tip of the spear, by the way, the tip of the iceberg, if you will.
00:16:52.000 And your response is, it's too late.
00:16:54.000 That's California's response because they said they already mailed the ballots, the ballots are out.
00:17:00.000 And so they've already been commingled.
00:17:03.000 Then LA basically says, hey, we're really sorry.
00:17:07.000 This is their quote the registrar is not equipped.
00:17:10.000 Or authorized to verify voter citizenship because it does not independently house citizenship related information beyond the voter attestation.
00:17:19.000 So, trust me, bro.
00:17:21.000 Take my word for it, bro.
00:17:22.000 As identified in federal and state law, and certainly is not equipped to do so within the election period.
00:17:30.000 So, this is a case where we see in Arizona, obviously a state we're very invested in, we see canvassers registering people that are ineligible to vote, whether because they're a Canadian.
00:17:42.000 They're a felon that's on probation.
00:17:45.000 Whatever the issue is, they're being encouraged to register.
00:17:48.000 So then they get on the voter rolls.
00:17:49.000 And then you have local municipalities, LA, you have the state of California saying, we can't do anything about this.
00:17:55.000 We're following federal law, which is trust me, bro law, which is why we need the Save America Act, by the way.
00:18:00.000 And then they say it's too late to do anything about it.
00:18:03.000 Let me just put this in perspective for you that's 20,000 votes.
00:18:07.000 We know it's probably a lot larger, but this is what's been flagged thus far by the federal government.
00:18:12.000 So in 2024, Adam Gray, a Democrat, beat John Duarte, a Republican, by 187 votes.
00:18:21.000 And that's in California's 13th.
00:18:23.000 187 votes.
00:18:24.000 Derek Tran, also in 2024, a Democrat, beat Michelle Steele by 653 votes.
00:18:32.000 Okay, Amy Barra, a Democrat, beat Scott Jones, a Republican, by 6,955 votes.
00:18:38.000 Josh Harder, a Democrat, beat Jeff Denham, a Republican, by 9,990 votes.
00:18:44.000 In 2018, Gil Cisneros, a Democrat, beat Young Kim by 7,600 votes in 2018, and on and on and on it goes.
00:18:55.000 Katie Porter, you know, potato face, beats Mimi Walters, a Republican, by 12,500 votes in 2018.
00:19:03.000 There is a series of elections in California that have been decided by much closer margins than this 20,000 that they're flagging.
00:19:11.000 So, this is a massive, massive scandal because we know it's happening.
00:19:16.000 Way more than Democrats want you to believe.
00:19:18.000 This is the safest election, most secure election ever.
00:19:21.000 Bull.
00:19:22.000 And we know it's bull.
00:19:23.000 That's why you fight tooth and nail to stop common sense reforms like voter ID.
00:19:27.000 100%.
00:19:28.000 This is all about, and remember, they reap the benefits.
00:19:30.000 If they're able to eke out a win because of these few hundred people here and there, they get all the benefits from it.
00:19:36.000 Any harms fall on these people.
00:19:39.000 Like, that's why they love to decentralize it.
00:19:41.000 Because if they're all centrally organizing the fraud, you can go down for it.
00:19:44.000 If you just make it easy for people to illegally sign up and vote, usually no one gets in trouble.
00:19:49.000 But if anyone does, it's them.
00:19:51.000 Absolutely heinous behavior.
00:19:53.000 These people should be indicted. 1.00
00:19:54.000 Just a reminder every single non European ethnicity votes Democrat. 1.00
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00:21:09.000 Without further ado, we have Professor Steele from Hillsdale.
00:21:12.000 An amazing guy.
00:21:13.000 We had this conversation last week and it was so good that I wanted to have it again because we just barely scratched the surface, Professor.
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00:21:28.000 The newest one is coming out of New York.
00:21:32.000 And it looks like the city of New York is trying to control who has access to buy distressed housing, which does not feel very capitalist.
00:21:42.000 But this is exactly, I think it's a Precursor, an important story.
00:21:45.000 Blake flagged it for me this morning.
00:21:46.000 I was told you already read it by the time I got it to you.
00:21:49.000 New York wants to control who can buy troubled housing.
00:21:52.000 Here's how the city council is set to pass a bill, the Community Opportunity to Purchase Act, that gives certain nonprofits a head start on buying distressed buildings.
00:22:06.000 Why is this so wrong, Professor Steele?
00:22:08.000 Well, the first thing that it does, that's a really good question.
00:22:12.000 I'm really happy to be here because this is really important stuff.
00:22:16.000 And maybe I'll say before I get going, there are three fundamental points that I hope to make before we're done here on the ethics questions.
00:22:25.000 But the COPA, as it's called, this Community Opportunity Property Act, is fundamentally what it does it says that owners of buildings cannot sell them if they decide to sell for 90 days.
00:22:43.000 Only the government or some sort of NGO can purchase them.
00:22:48.000 And that will be at a discount.
00:22:50.000 Because you won't be able to put it on the free market.
00:22:53.000 It's a kind of confiscation, really.
00:22:55.000 It's a backdoor to confiscating and for the government to get control of private property.
00:23:02.000 The ethical question there are all kinds of economic questions about why that would be bad or issues, but the moral question is who owns it?
00:23:11.000 If people's private property isn't theirs, if the government can take it, that's theft.
00:23:17.000 And that's a fundamentally wrong thing.
00:23:20.000 Yeah, I agree because ultimately we go back to seizing the means of production.
00:23:25.000 These are these buzz expressions, phrases of the far left.
00:23:30.000 And one of the central tenets of the American way is that we believe in private property.
00:23:36.000 If you own a property, you have the right to sell it.
00:23:39.000 You have a right to monetize it.
00:23:40.000 You have a right to do with it as you will within certain boundaries, certainly.
00:23:45.000 But this is actually a massive, massive blow to what we've always assumed and taken for granted here in this country that you have a right to your own property.
00:23:54.000 This is why that squatters story a few years back blew up in such a massive way.
00:23:59.000 People realize, hey, in certain jurisdictions, you don't have control of your own private property.
00:24:04.000 Well, but let's not.
00:24:06.000 Go ahead, Blake.
00:24:07.000 Well, let's dive even further into it.
00:24:09.000 This is, as you say, it's a step towards confiscation.
00:24:11.000 It's essentially saying, yeah, if you have to have a narrow pool of potential buyers who have this right of first refusal, it's obviously not, oh, nonprofits have a right to buy it.
00:24:21.000 Who are those going to be aligned with?
00:24:23.000 And then what could the city do?
00:24:24.000 A lot of these are distressed properties because they're under strict rent control.
00:24:27.000 The city could do things like exempt the NGOs and exempt these nonprofits from the same rent control rules.
00:24:33.000 It's totally a way to build a politically allied constituency that then owns housing.
00:24:39.000 And You're the expert here, Professor Steele.
00:24:42.000 Will this actually lower prices of housing in New York or get better housing?
00:24:46.000 And if not, what's a better way for them to do it?
00:24:49.000 No, it will not lower prices.
00:24:51.000 It might lower the price that is charged to the person who's lucky enough to get one of these things, or maybe it'll end up being unfortunate enough to be put in there.
00:25:01.000 The buyer.
00:25:04.000 So, first, consider that it isn't just any old NGO.
00:25:08.000 This will be a select pool, and it will be people who are allied with the ultimately the DSA.
00:25:15.000 With the left.
00:25:17.000 And it puts things into the hands of those people.
00:25:21.000 Now, there's a kind of, I don't want to say cleverness, there's a kind of strategy that they have involved here.
00:25:31.000 And that's that they can't lower prices.
00:25:34.000 What they can do is shift those prices to someone else, shift those costs to someone else, because it will be covered by taxes if they can't pay for the upkeep.
00:25:46.000 The upkeep also, they won't have a very good incentive.
00:25:49.000 Because they won't profit from it to make these things truly livable.
00:25:54.000 Community housing, government housing in New York, and I saw some of it when I lived there, is not good.
00:26:00.000 The projects are not good places because they are maintained by the government, not for profit.
00:26:06.000 There's no cost control because there's no incentive to hold costs down.
00:26:09.000 And at the same time, no incentive to provide quality because it is, you know, you've got basically a captive customer.
00:26:20.000 But those are, again, those are kind of economic questions.
00:26:23.000 The moral question is also fundamental.
00:26:26.000 And maybe the first point I want to make is that capitalism is a moral system.
00:26:31.000 It's got some fundamental moral principles built into it.
00:26:35.000 It is built upon moral principles.
00:26:37.000 And the first one is the inalienable right of the individual. 0.64
00:26:41.000 Those rights are God given for a non believer, they're just a part of our nature. 1.00
00:26:46.000 But they are a part of our nature, they are given to us, and they are superior to government.
00:26:52.000 Any power that government gets is derived from.
00:26:56.000 Any just power government has is derived from us giving it permission.
00:27:01.000 Capitalism is built on that fundamental recognition.
00:27:04.000 And from private or from these unalienable rights, we then get the right to private property the things that people have justly acquired through building it, creating it, having been given it voluntarily, and through free trade.
00:27:22.000 Free trade is a fundamental moral principle.
00:27:26.000 Because if we are constrained by each other's rights, then all trade is voluntary.
00:27:32.000 That means that the parties to a trade both benefit.
00:27:36.000 That's a moral principle.
00:27:37.000 It creates wealth or well being for both parties to a trade.
00:27:42.000 And if it doesn't, the trade doesn't occur.
00:27:44.000 They have the right to back out of it, to not accept the trade.
00:27:49.000 Fundamental principles.
00:27:51.000 Deep down, that's what capitalism is.
00:27:55.000 And it's a moral system.
00:27:58.000 Owning property is a fundamental moral principle.
00:28:03.000 Shall we contrast that with socialism?
00:28:06.000 I should.
00:28:06.000 One more thing I'll point out about that, about capitalism first, is that that's also a very positive way of looking at the world.
00:28:15.000 It's one that is, it's not zero sum, it's that there is mutual gain and that we can all benefit living together and cooperating.
00:28:24.000 Socialism.
00:28:25.000 Should we talk about that a bit?
00:28:28.000 Yes.
00:28:29.000 Contrast it, please.
00:28:31.000 Contrast it.
00:28:32.000 The socialist system actually violates all of that.
00:28:38.000 Socialism.
00:28:39.000 Well, they often will say, well, this is a moral system that provides for dignity for people and things.
00:28:44.000 There's no dignity if your rights aren't respected.
00:28:48.000 It may be the first thing to say.
00:28:50.000 But the socialist system fundamentally is antagonistic.
00:28:54.000 It pits people against people, it treats them unequally.
00:28:59.000 And we hear socialists say things like, well, there should be no billionaires, as if the wealth earned by one person hurt others.
00:29:06.000 It's not true.
00:29:09.000 It was mutually beneficial trade that creates the great wealth in capitalism.
00:29:15.000 But that lifts all boats.
00:29:17.000 The socialist remedy is to pit people against each other and to take.
00:29:23.000 It teaches envy.
00:29:24.000 It teaches people to feel as if they are victims and that they are helpless and that they need government, they need the state to intervene and take care of them.
00:29:35.000 That's a fundamentally bad principle.
00:29:38.000 And the principle of taking people's property, that's theft.
00:29:42.000 That's the fundamental basis of socialism.
00:29:44.000 So, Professor, accepting all that is true, but so we're seeing some headlines, you know, touting there's been a lot of wins for America.
00:29:50.000 So, for example, there's a piece in the Wall Street Journal yesterday American exceptionalism is no myth, and it points out a fact that's gotten viral lately that even in the poorest U.S. states like Mississippi are now significantly higher income and wealthier than places we thought are kind of our equals like Britain, Germany, France.
00:30:07.000 We're just richer than everybody now, way richer.
00:30:11.000 So, that's clearly related to capitalism.
00:30:12.000 But then, why in America does it seem like so many young people are Unhappy people constantly are saying they feel stuck that they're not getting ahead.
00:30:23.000 We hear how rich America is, it seems like people are all claiming they don't feel very rich.
00:30:29.000 What's going on there, you think?
00:30:30.000 And because it seems like it's a threat to our capitalist system that people feel this way, yes, it is.
00:30:35.000 And I think, first of all, it is something more fundamental than economics it's mindset.
00:30:39.000 The ideas that people have, they're taught to feel that victim.
00:30:44.000 This is what colleges, most colleges, not Hillsdale, teach is that you're a victim.
00:30:49.000 I've had students who have transferred from other schools, and they told me at my big state school that I attended, I think that 50% of the people were actually mentally unstable, and they all felt like victims.
00:31:03.000 They're taught to feel victimhood, and they're taught that someone else is responsible.
00:31:09.000 Capitalism teaches self responsibility, socialism teaches dependency.
00:31:13.000 Socialists, socialist leaders need dependence.
00:31:18.000 And I think that's the fundamental point.
00:31:21.000 This is amazing stuff.
00:31:22.000 I mean, really, I love the way you boiled it down, Professor, that the morality inherent in a capitalist system is lacking.
00:31:31.000 And actually, it's inverted.
00:31:33.000 Socialism, at one level, is theft, it is stealing from people.
00:31:38.000 And you see this story in New York, which is why I think it's so important that we highlight it.
00:31:42.000 This is not making headline news around the country right now, but it is massive, massive, massive because it is a precursor of what is to come from the DSA crowd.
00:31:52.000 Dipping their toe in the water, and it is, it's just terrifying to watch it play out.
00:31:59.000 This is going to be the first election that I am going to have the opportunity to cast my vote in.
00:32:04.000 These midterm elections, what do you think is going to be the most relevant piece to the younger generation of voters?
00:32:09.000 Across the age spectrum, people are finding that what we were taught was the American dream is just completely a lie.
00:32:17.000 It doesn't exist anymore.
00:32:19.000 What Grace said over there, you know, she said the American dream's gone.
00:32:22.000 And I think young people need to understand that this is still America.
00:32:26.000 This is still the land of opportunity, the home of the brave.
00:32:29.000 I mean, we have such a blessing.
00:32:31.000 You should kiss the ground that you walk on that you get to live in this country and never forget that.
00:32:36.000 Yeah, there's problems.
00:32:37.000 Yeah, there's issues.
00:32:38.000 This is still America.
00:32:41.000 So I don't believe in downsizing the American dream at all.
00:32:43.000 You have to understand that the love that Andrews talks about how you should have for this country, and I agree with him, even with all of our problems.
00:32:51.000 There are people who don't think like that. 0.74
00:32:54.000 Weed them out, get rid of them. 0.82
00:32:56.000 That's what you do.
00:32:59.000 A little throwback to our News Nation experience with Stephen A.
00:33:04.000 I was glad he agreed with me there, Dr. Steele.
00:33:07.000 I thought that was actually a good moment to have Stephen A agree with me against the DSA. 0.51
00:33:12.000 That Grayscale that said the American dream is dead, that's a DSA socialist.
00:33:16.000 She's the co chair of the New York City DSA.
00:33:19.000 So that's what they believe.
00:33:23.000 That's why they're going to seize these distressed properties and give them to these NGOs that they bless.
00:33:28.000 If someone really believes that the American dream is not possible, they ought to go spend, we ought to finance them to go spend some time in the third world.
00:33:40.000 I've been to countries in West Africa.
00:33:43.000 I was in the poorest, I think it was ranked at the time the fourth poorest country in the world.
00:33:49.000 You have no idea if you think that the American dream is dead and that there are no opportunities here.
00:33:55.000 You have no idea what you're talking about.
00:33:59.000 You're surrounded by some of the greatest wealth and the greatest opportunities.
00:34:02.000 That have ever existed for any human being, and you are turning your back on them.
00:34:08.000 That's a totally wrong thing.
00:34:10.000 The socialists do this, they preach this because that's how they'll get their power.
00:34:16.000 That's their goal.
00:34:17.000 They want to rip down the system, and they're fundamental about that.
00:34:21.000 Maybe there's one more point that I was hoping to make, but go ahead.
00:34:25.000 Go ahead. 0.99
00:34:26.000 I was just like, you were saying, like, you know, pay to send them to third world countries. 0.85
00:34:29.000 Yeah, like third world countries like the UK or Germany.
00:34:32.000 We really got a lot of enjoyment this week.
00:34:34.000 That Wired article, people.
00:34:36.000 Moving out of America because they're mad about Trump or whatever.
00:34:39.000 And then they're just hitting a wall and they're saying, even what, again, we would have thought of as peer countries.
00:34:45.000 They go to Germany and it's endless bureaucracy to do anything.
00:34:48.000 You need infinity permits.
00:34:50.000 And this permeates throughout the culture.
00:34:52.000 I love this line about Britain from one of the people in this piece.
00:34:55.000 She says, I thought British politeness existed like in movies, but the reality is that present day British culture is very individualistic, but without the sense of charity and helpfulness that many parts of American culture.
00:35:09.000 I pay a huge amount of taxes and an immigration surcharge just to access the NHS.
00:35:14.000 It's not even free.
00:35:15.000 And just goes on about everything like there's extortionate prices to drove by train.
00:35:20.000 She thought it'd just be free train travel everywhere.
00:35:22.000 Like they go abroad and this socialist attitude kind of does permeate things.
00:35:27.000 And one of those real things is in America, as people always notice, we're actually really helpful and nice to people.
00:35:35.000 And I think part of that is our system rewards being helpful and kind to people. 0.98
00:35:39.000 Whereas in these socialist systems, they much more reward kind of being a jerk to everyone else. 0.97
00:35:45.000 They encourage that sort of mentality. 0.97
00:35:47.000 Blake, you bring up the UK, but then there's all these stories out of France.
00:35:52.000 We're expecting more riots in France.
00:35:54.000 Tomorrow, they're gearing up for that. 0.82
00:35:56.000 It's a you know, yes, it's a lot of Muslims, it's a lot of children of migrants, but it's being spearheaded by socialists and communists. 0.76
00:36:03.000 So they are actually spearheading and getting their foot soldiers out into the streets.
00:36:07.000 This is a country with free health care, this is a country with massive, massive government subsidies and handouts to everybody up and down the income spectrum.
00:36:18.000 And they're still rioting, they are burning down their country.
00:36:22.000 So I thought that socialism was supposed to make all this go away, I thought it was supposed to make the anger go away within the population.
00:36:29.000 But it seems to have the opposite effect.
00:36:31.000 Dr. Steele.
00:36:32.000 It very definitely has the opposite effect because it makes people poorer.
00:36:36.000 It does not lift boats, it basically sinks boats.
00:36:39.000 People are not better off under socialism.
00:36:42.000 And again, socialism teaches envy.
00:36:46.000 That's one of the fundamental things that it does.
00:36:48.000 That's a bad way to go through life, thinking that you'll be better off by tearing each other down.
00:36:57.000 The real thing that we ought to be working on, of course, is.
00:37:02.000 Providing opportunities so that people can be self sufficient, make themselves better off, and that's where true dignity comes from.
00:37:09.000 I do want to make a point about morality, if I can just do that.
00:37:15.000 One of the points that socialists will make is that, well, you're just in it for yourself, it's individualistic, capitalism is bad.
00:37:22.000 We're actually, each one of us, given by our Creator, we're put in charge of ourselves.
00:37:28.000 We are given self responsibility, and self interest is the thing that we are given so that we'll have the incentive to take care of ourselves.
00:37:36.000 That's not a negative thing because we also take care of each other.
00:37:39.000 We're social beings.
00:37:41.000 This is economics.
00:37:42.000 This is Adam Smith, but it's also biblical.
00:37:45.000 The Bible in the Torah, the Old Testament, Leviticus, talks about the principle of justice and says do not treat rich people or poor people favorably because of their status.
00:37:59.000 Treat everyone equally.
00:38:02.000 Another point that is made in the Bible is love your neighbor as yourself.
00:38:08.000 That is, you have self love and love for your neighbor.
00:38:11.000 Those are moral principles, but those are embodied in capitalism.
00:38:14.000 They are not embodied in socialism, which tears down, which inspires class struggle, class warfare, and tearing down each other.
00:38:23.000 So, Professor Steele, you're making way too much sense for your average commie or socialist, but this is the battle lines in our country, and I want everybody to have access to this.
00:38:34.000 I want you to get what I'm about to tell you.
00:38:36.000 I want you to take it.
00:38:36.000 I want you to send it to your friends.
00:38:38.000 I want you to send it to your family members.
00:38:39.000 I want your kids.
00:38:40.000 To take this course, it's Understanding Capitalism.
00:38:43.000 This is Dr. Steele's course at Hillsdale.
00:38:47.000 So go to charlieforhillsdale.com.
00:38:49.000 Check this out Understanding Capitalism.
00:38:51.000 It's seven lessons, so seven lectures total.
00:38:54.000 They're about 25 minutes long.
00:38:56.000 You can do it piece by piece.
00:38:58.000 But capitalism rewards man's profit or punishes his loss depending on the merit of his actions.
00:39:05.000 It expresses the freedom and rationality of human nature in an economic system.
00:39:09.000 I think Dr. Steele, what you have done here in this course.
00:39:13.000 What you're expressing on this show.
00:39:15.000 This is the front line.
00:39:17.000 The number one thing Blake and I encounter when we talk to students, well intentioned students on college campuses, our students at Turning Point, is they do not understand the fundamentals of the economy, how it works, how it rewards you, how it punishes you.
00:39:30.000 We have to explain capitalism all over again.
00:39:34.000 Final 15 seconds to you, Dr. Steele, to maybe encourage people to take the course.
00:39:40.000 Yes, take the course.
00:39:42.000 And I'm going to say one more thing.
00:39:43.000 And that is that I'm not speaking to the hardcore Marxist, I'm speaking to all the people who.
00:39:49.000 Who wants answers and thinks maybe that's the answer?
00:39:52.000 And there are a lot of them.
00:39:54.000 They should look at capitalism.
00:39:55.000 Amen.
00:39:57.000 This course will help so many, so many people.
00:39:59.000 So please spread it around.
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00:41:05.000 It is our Ask Us Anything hour, and I thought we'd mix it up this week.
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00:41:23.000 Hour two, the questions are all yours.
00:41:26.000 But we're bringing in Sean Davis, who is the founder and CEO of The Federalist, a great American institution.
00:41:33.000 Sean, good to see you, my friend.
00:41:35.000 Good to be seen.
00:41:35.000 Thank you for having me.
00:41:37.000 Well, listen, we've got a lot of news going on, and we have a lot of questions in the queue here.
00:41:42.000 So we're going to get started right away.
00:41:43.000 But it's just so much fun to have somebody that is not used to doing the AMAs do it with us.
00:41:49.000 So why don't we get started here?
00:41:51.000 I think our first caller is Abby.
00:41:54.000 Abby, are you there?
00:41:55.000 Please unmute yourself.
00:41:57.000 Good morning.
00:41:58.000 How are you guys?
00:42:00.000 We're doing excellent here.
00:42:00.000 Great, Abby.
00:42:01.000 Great to have you.
00:42:03.000 Yes.
00:42:03.000 So, I actually have a theological question for you this time.
00:42:08.000 I remember Charlie talking about the Bible verse, Psalm 97 10, which says, Let those who love the Lord hate evil.
00:42:18.000 And if we as Christ followers are commanded to hate evil, then what is the evil we're supposed to hate?
00:42:24.000 And how are we supposed to hate this evil without it turning into hatred?
00:42:27.000 I remember seeing a clip of Charlie on the show of him talking about this.
00:42:31.000 I haven't been able to find it.
00:42:33.000 But he mentioned narco terrorists and human traffickers as evil.
00:42:37.000 We, okay.
00:42:38.000 So, yeah, this is a great theological question.
00:42:41.000 Good thing Sean's a Christian, too, by the way.
00:42:44.000 I pulled up the Bible verse, Proverbs 6 16 through 19.
00:42:47.000 There are six things the Lord hates, seven that are detestable to him haughty eyes, a lying tongue.
00:42:54.000 So, it doesn't like liars, it doesn't like the proud.
00:42:57.000 Hands that shed innocent blood, a heart that devises wicked schemes, feet that are quick to rush into evil.
00:43:05.000 A false witness who pours out lies, and a person who stirs up conflict in the community.
00:43:12.000 That's what initially comes to my mind when you talk about hating evil.
00:43:15.000 But there's other examples.
00:43:16.000 Like, actually, I was thinking about this this week because of this call her daddy clip that went viral where they're basically encouraging women that it's never too late to get a divorce and you can find somebody better for you and all that stuff.
00:43:28.000 You can always do better.
00:43:29.000 You can always do better.
00:43:31.000 Yeah.
00:43:31.000 Well, the Lord says in Malachi, for I hate divorce.
00:43:36.000 So, you know, there's that too.
00:43:38.000 I don't know, Blake, if you, Blake or Sean, you got things you want to add to this.
00:43:41.000 Well, I think, yeah, it's, we are called to.
00:43:44.000 Love our enemies, in fact, and to forgive those who persecute you.
00:43:48.000 But that is, it's the classic thing that you do have to divorce the individual person with a soul who we hope may be saved through God's mercy and the evil that flows forth from them and from all of us, that we have to hate evil because if you do not hate evil, that is iniquity, lies, violence, wrath, any number of those things that God abhors, if you don't despise those things, you are ultimately not trying your hardest to love God, to love what is good.
00:44:18.000 And In fact, when you properly hate evil, that is probably the best way to avoid falling into hatred because hatred, wrath itself, is actually a quite evil thing.
00:44:30.000 And it is when you are properly pursuing love of God.
00:44:33.000 Like, it's like what we saw with that call her daddy thing.
00:44:36.000 That when we saw that clip, we might even want to play it again.
00:44:39.000 It's like all of us, we winced, we jerked back because it was so appalling how repellent what they were saying was.
00:44:47.000 And that evil flowing forth from it, that drives us towards good.
00:44:51.000 Charlie would be able to give a far better answer on this point.
00:44:54.000 But do we have a clip on this?
00:44:56.000 All right.
00:44:57.000 Danny says we have a clip.
00:44:58.000 Let's get clip 10.
00:45:00.000 But I thought.
00:45:01.000 Yes, I do hate.
00:45:02.000 And I'll tell you who.
00:45:02.000 Okay.
00:45:03.000 The Bible tells me in Psalm 97 10 if you love God, you must hate evil.
00:45:07.000 I hate people that call themselves doctors that butchered Chloe Cole.
00:45:10.000 That's who I hate. 0.95
00:45:11.000 I hate people that call themselves doctors and perform the million abortions we see every single year in the abortion industry. 0.99
00:45:18.000 I hate people that sex traffic women into this country under the guise of immigration on the border.
00:45:23.000 So, I do not have hate for a group. 0.89
00:45:25.000 I do not have hate for a people.
00:45:26.000 I have hate for actions and individuals, especially that are in professions that institutionalize evil.
00:45:32.000 How could I hate that which I have a heart for?
00:45:36.000 All right, that's interesting.
00:45:37.000 Because as we were saying, you aren't, deep down, we are supposed to love even sinners.
00:45:42.000 And I think Charlie would probably be more precise on that if he was pushed back.
00:45:47.000 But obviously, we have to just detest evil that is out in the world.
00:45:51.000 And only through, like, really getting this.
00:45:54.000 Intense reaction to that sort of evil, are we able to cultivate good?
00:45:59.000 You have to develop your moral sensibility to the point where when you see wantonly wicked things, it just, you can't even bear to look at it.
00:46:10.000 You can't casually accept it.
00:46:12.000 Sean, you're good at hating things.
00:46:15.000 I've seen you do it before.
00:46:18.000 I'd like to weigh in on this one.
00:46:19.000 Give us your take.
00:46:20.000 Yeah.
00:46:21.000 So we're called to love what God loves and hate what God hates.
00:46:24.000 So God obviously hates sin.
00:46:26.000 And there's a reason he hates sin because it's incompatible with him.
00:46:29.000 You can't be sinful and be in his presence.
00:46:32.000 It's why we had to have Christ take the sin upon him, become sin for us, and die that our sins might be forgiven through him, that we might one day be reconciled to God.
00:46:43.000 So God hates evil and he calls us to hate evil.
00:46:46.000 So I was reminded of Psalm 139 here, and I apologize for bending down and showing everyone my very shiny forehead here.
00:46:54.000 But yeah, this is Psalm 139.
00:46:56.000 It's towards the end.
00:46:58.000 It's David saying, Oh, that you would slay the wicked, O God, O men of blood, depart from me.
00:47:01.000 They speak against you with malicious intent.
00:47:03.000 Your enemies take your name in vain.
00:47:05.000 Do I not hate those who hate you, O Lord?
00:47:08.000 And do I not loathe those who rise up against you?
00:47:11.000 I hate them with complete hatred. 0.66
00:47:13.000 I count them my enemies. 0.77
00:47:16.000 So we were told that David was a man after God's own heart.
00:47:19.000 Obviously, we know he was sinful, that he had people killed.
00:47:23.000 We know the story of Uriah and Bathsheba.
00:47:24.000 He was not a perfect man by any means.
00:47:27.000 But when we have David, whose kingdom is what Christ on earth descended from, he traces his earthly royal lineage to David.
00:47:38.000 And when we have David saying, Lord, I hate your enemies with complete hatred, I think that tells us something about how we should feel towards those who hate God and towards the hatred of God.
00:47:49.000 And where that becomes difficult is that it's easy to say, well, I'm going to hate the bad things and love the good things.
00:47:55.000 But what are the bad things?
00:47:56.000 What are the evil things?
00:47:57.000 And that requires discernment.
00:47:59.000 And discernment requires the Holy Spirit.
00:48:01.000 It requires faith in God.
00:48:02.000 It requires time in the Word.
00:48:04.000 And if you just go out there trying to be hateful, I'm going to hate this and I hate that because this psalm says to be hateful, but you don't have the discernment and you don't actually have the underlying love that you're supposed to have for everyone else who is made in God's image.
00:48:16.000 That's where you're going to end up being consumed by, I think, an evil hatred and an evil malice.
00:48:21.000 But we are called to hate what God hates and love what God loves.
00:48:25.000 And so I think we probably need to remove the stigma on hating things that are very deserving of being hated.
00:48:33.000 Does that answer your question?
00:48:36.000 That was a great answer.
00:48:37.000 Thank you.
00:48:38.000 I'm glad we had Sean.
00:48:39.000 Sean's answer was better than either of ours, Andrew.
00:48:42.000 Yeah, well, that's why we bring him in.
00:48:44.000 That's why we hire the big guns with the beautiful foreheads.
00:48:49.000 Yeah, I mean, listen, I think you have to hate evil, though.
00:48:51.000 I think you have to hate evil. 0.94
00:48:53.000 And by the way, one other thing I'll add to this is that I think immeasurable harm has been done to our country by something that I call sewing circle Christians, where we have this aversion to hating evil, really, is what it is, or fighting back. 0.95
00:49:08.000 We're so concerned about having the appearance of good that we allow evil to fester. 0.91
00:49:14.000 And so I've basically rejected that.
00:49:17.000 And a lot of things that have happened in the last year.
00:49:19.000 Have pushed me in that direction.
00:49:20.000 A little bit of breaking news here.
00:49:22.000 President Trump has just chimed in on the Tyler Robinson trial.
00:49:28.000 Image 150 here says the judge in the Charlie Kirk case is doing a terrible job.
00:49:32.000 This case should be tried within a month, not three years.
00:49:35.000 It's actually four years.
00:49:36.000 And it should be over with.
00:49:37.000 The judge is desecrating the memory of the great Charlie Kirk while taking forever to ask questions that people already know the answers to.
00:49:44.000 The whole country is mocking him and our quote unquote legal system.
00:49:48.000 Justice for Charlie, President Donald J. Trump.
00:49:52.000 I mean, I could quibble, but directionally, I completely agree.
00:49:55.000 And I'm actually grateful to the president that he would sound up on this and chime in because I can just tell you, being on this end of it, I know Blake will agree, it is like a never ending, it's just cruelty.
00:50:11.000 The amount of time this takes.
00:50:13.000 And then, Blake, Sean, you guys both chime in on this if you want.
00:50:17.000 I love it that if you say that on social media, everybody goes, well, the average takes two to four years in a capital case.
00:50:23.000 I'm like, yeah, that's the problem.
00:50:24.000 It shouldn't.
00:50:25.000 That's the problem.
00:50:27.000 Comparing it to a broken system does not justify the timeline here.
00:50:31.000 Anyways, Blake, Sean, I'm glad the president, I mean, whether we agree exactly on his characterization, is it the judge's fault?
00:50:39.000 Is it the law's fault?
00:50:40.000 Whatever it is, I think a reasonable takeaway from this, just in every red state, we control our state's justice systems. 0.61
00:50:47.000 It should be a general reform priority.
00:50:50.000 If we need to spend a few million extra bucks to have a few extra judges, a few extra public defenders, bailiffs, courtrooms, whatever it needs to be, but especially since COVID.
00:51:00.000 Legal proceedings have gotten stretched out.
00:51:02.000 More people have realized all these ways they can game the process to make it last longer.
00:51:08.000 And I 100% believe with this defense, part of their strategy out there is they know if they can drag this on, the more weird conspiracy theories will just percolate out into the atmosphere, get out into the environment, make it harder for them to do proper Vore Dyer in this case for jurors.
00:51:24.000 And they just increase the chances they can get some sort of Lindsey Clancy situation, get a holdout juror who's not going to go one way or the other.
00:51:30.000 I think that's part of their strategy.
00:51:32.000 And one of the ways you fight against this is, especially in a case like this, huge amount of evidence was gathered right away.
00:51:39.000 This case should have been able to be taken to trial in four months, not four years.
00:51:44.000 Amen.
00:51:46.000 Our next question comes from Mary.
00:51:48.000 Mary, unmute yourself. 0.83
00:51:49.000 Welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show.
00:51:50.000 And once again, just join us, members.charliekirk.com, if you want to be a part of our AMAs on Friday.
00:51:56.000 Lots of other great stuff, too.
00:51:57.000 But Mary, you are on with us.
00:51:58.000 Please unmute yourself.
00:52:00.000 Mary, are you there?
00:52:02.000 Looks like we don't have Mary.
00:52:04.000 All right.
00:52:04.000 That's the first that's happened in a long time lately.
00:52:07.000 Do we want to read her question?
00:52:09.000 I think we have the written version here.
00:52:11.000 Mary asked, what would you say to voters who say they.
00:52:15.000 Oh, did we get her there?
00:52:15.000 Oh, she's there.
00:52:17.000 Hey, Mary.
00:52:18.000 We're door knocking this morning, so I'm just taking a quick break.
00:52:21.000 Oh, that's amazing.
00:52:22.000 Oh, God bless you.
00:52:23.000 The question my group had is we've had a lot of voters where we've gone up to the door and they've told us either they've switched parties and they're leaning toward GSA or they're saying that they don't want anything to do with the election or voting ever again.
00:52:40.000 What would you guys say?
00:52:41.000 Because the script we're using isn't working right now.
00:52:45.000 I've got some good answers for you on that one.
00:52:47.000 So, people who are not voting or say they don't want to vote again, you have to ask them, do you think everyone else in America is smarter than you are?
00:52:56.000 I'm going to guess most people are going to say no to that. 0.98
00:53:00.000 And then I think you say, well, why would you want a bunch of people who are dumber than you voting? 1.00
00:53:04.000 That seems silly. 1.00
00:53:05.000 That seems silly and self destructive. 0.98
00:53:07.000 Unless they're going to vote for Democrats, then of course they shouldn't vote. 0.87
00:53:09.000 They should let everyone else vote.
00:53:12.000 Yeah. 0.82
00:53:12.000 I mean, are you saying that it's more of a cynical, like they're just, Both parties are awful. 0.82
00:53:18.000 Is that kind of the take?
00:53:20.000 Some of the houses have said that, and then a handful have actually been pretty threatening and violent that we've just not gone back to those houses.
00:53:29.000 I've just said thank you.
00:53:31.000 Where are you door knocking?
00:53:33.000 We're in Mesa right now, but the one area of Mesa has not been very nice.
00:53:38.000 Oof.
00:53:40.000 That's rough.
00:53:40.000 I've heard Mesa is increasingly purple.
00:53:43.000 I mean, have they.
00:53:44.000 Increasingly purple, but nevertheless, like these people should be on our list because they're people we suspected would be favorable.
00:53:50.000 So.
00:53:51.000 Can you elaborate more?
00:53:52.000 You say your script's not working.
00:53:53.000 What are they pointing to if they give voice to the reason they're so jaded?
00:53:58.000 I guess when you say they're not voting ever again, maybe we got their vote in 24, now they're very angry.
00:54:03.000 Are they saying specifically why?
00:54:07.000 Some haven't.
00:54:09.000 The one thing we've heard a lot about is if there's a big scandal that was on the news, they bring up a lot of them just didn't like Trump anymore.
00:54:20.000 If there's one guy that told us that we were all pedophiles and that now that we've stepped foot on his property, he had to go and wash the front porch.
00:54:31.000 That sounds like a colorful individual to say the least.
00:54:35.000 I mean, if they're angry about Trump, Charlie would always say, You're not voting for a perfect person.
00:54:41.000 You're not expressing your undying love in the belief of the perfection of a specific person.
00:54:47.000 You're voting for the direction you want your country to go in and the direction.
00:54:52.000 There's a lot of stuff you can point towards for the direction of this country being better, that the border is secure, that a lot of people who are illegally here are getting deported, that they're building billion dollar battery factories and chip factories and car factories in America to re industrialize our country.
00:55:11.000 There's a lot of that, but I mean, if someone's violently angry at you, unfortunately, you do have your work cut out for you on that one.
00:55:19.000 I agree.
00:55:19.000 Well, let me just say this.
00:55:21.000 Let me just say this.
00:55:23.000 There is an absolute positive case to be made.
00:55:26.000 And if they bring up the Epstein stuff, I would just challenge them and say, well, listen, more documents have been released under the Trump administration than were ever released from Biden or Obama.
00:55:38.000 As a matter of fact, they didn't even bring up the Epstein case the entirety of Biden's administration.
00:55:44.000 So why is that?
00:55:46.000 And so point that out.
00:55:47.000 And you can say, listen, I don't love the way everything's been handled.
00:55:50.000 I don't agree with the way it has been rolled out, but we've still had more progress than that.
00:55:55.000 But let me just brass tacks it for you.
00:55:58.000 In a period where you're going to have some of these.
00:56:00.000 Defectors that don't like Trump anymore, the actual best strategy is to just point out how bad the opposition is.
00:56:09.000 And I hate to be sort of cynical like that, but this is why negative ads on TV work is because the DSA, the Democrat Party writ large, has gone way further down the left wing rabbit hole than most voters realize.
00:56:23.000 They are awful.
00:56:24.000 They are anti American. 0.98
00:56:25.000 Their ideas don't work.
00:56:27.000 And if they don't care about politics, guess what?
00:56:29.000 Politics is going to care about them.
00:56:30.000 Politics is going to come for them.
00:56:32.000 So point out the fact.
00:56:34.000 That the DSA, that is basically now the Democrat Party, you get pluralities or majorities when polled of Democrats that prefer socialism.
00:56:44.000 Those ideas will wreck their lives.
00:56:46.000 So you might be disappointed with President Trump.
00:56:48.000 You might have objections about certain policies, about Iran, about gas prices.
00:56:53.000 But that does not mean that the DSA isn't going to commit their one fatal flaw, and the Democrats in general.
00:56:59.000 They never know when to stop.
00:57:00.000 They will go too far, they will destroy this country.
00:57:03.000 So sitting on the sideline is never an option.
00:57:06.000 And that's just a political reality that in a cycle where your people are less popular, point out the flaws on the other side.
00:57:14.000 It tends to be the most effective strategy.
00:57:16.000 It sounds maybe cynical, but it works.
00:57:21.000 I talk about jobs and industries on this show all the time, but I didn't expect to find an entire skills trade community on TikTok plumbers, electricians, builders, and contractors sharing the work they do every day.
00:57:33.000 And it went way beyond tips and tricks, people were sharing their craft.
00:57:37.000 Connecting with local contractors and talking about how they were building their businesses and growing their teams.
00:57:42.000 It opened my eyes to how people in the trades are using TikTok to share their skills, make connections, and find new opportunities.
00:57:48.000 I remember thinking, this is exactly what we need more of people sharing what they know and creating opportunities for others.
00:57:54.000 And I never expected to find a community like this.
00:57:57.000 That's the thing about TikTok.
00:57:59.000 You start with something you know, and suddenly you're finding a whole new side of it that surprises you and leaves you wanting to know more.
00:58:05.000 Your next discovery is waiting for you on TikTok.
00:58:07.000 Learn more at TikTok.comslash discover more.
00:58:14.000 What's our next question?
00:58:14.000 Who's up next?
00:58:15.000 I think Elizabeth is next. 0.64
00:58:17.000 Elizabeth, welcome to the show. 0.97
00:58:18.000 Unmute yourself.
00:58:20.000 Hi, Andrew.
00:58:21.000 Hi, Blake.
00:58:22.000 Also, hello to Sean Davis.
00:58:24.000 Huge, huge fan.
00:58:25.000 And I love how sassy your Twitter account is.
00:58:27.000 It makes me happy.
00:58:29.000 Well, thank you.
00:58:30.000 You are sassy, Sean.
00:58:34.000 So, my question is I don't know.
00:58:37.000 Obviously, the Christina Pike execution did not go well.
00:58:42.000 And also, what really annoyed me is that they took 30 years to even try to attempt to do the execution.
00:58:52.000 And I don't understand.
00:58:53.000 I know, like, when you get found guilty and you're sentenced to death, you do an automatic appeal to that.
00:58:59.000 But, like, how can we do it?
00:59:01.000 Like, okay, you've been found guilty, you've been sentenced to death.
00:59:03.000 How do we get that appeal process and the actual execution to be, like, less than 10 years?
00:59:09.000 That's a huge, huge question.
00:59:10.000 It's a big question.
00:59:11.000 Do you know that the average.
00:59:13.000 Do you know the average death sentence to execution timeline in the U.S. is about 20 to 23 years?
00:59:19.000 In the 1980s, it was just six years.
00:59:23.000 So that's how far we've fallen as a country.
00:59:26.000 Blake, this feels like a Blake question.
00:59:29.000 It's a tough question.
00:59:30.000 It's very complicated.
00:59:32.000 One is generally, you basically have a ton of special appeals you don't normally see in normal cases.
00:59:40.000 Like you basically have the right to direct appeal to the Supreme Court on.
00:59:45.000 Any death penalty case.
00:59:46.000 That's why you always see that bit where the Supreme Court will have to dismiss this last appeal.
00:59:51.000 That's as an example.
00:59:52.000 There's a lot of like, I know there's something related to like the habeas corpus, right?
00:59:56.000 They call it like state habeas, where basically lawyers are allowed to raise tons of legal issues that are not even in the trial record.
01:00:05.000 So they can basically say, oh, ineffective defense lawyer, jurors engaged in misconduct.
01:00:11.000 We have new evidence that requires new investigation and sort of.
01:00:15.000 The like the built up, we have common law, a lot of built up legal precedent makes it so that the norm is just incredibly, incredibly time consuming.
01:00:27.000 And now, how could we speed it up?
01:00:29.000 I know at the federal process, like there's been a lot of power.
01:00:32.000 Trump has emphasized this, like really moving ahead, trying to make executions happen as quickly as possible.
01:00:39.000 And that's gotten it to where it can happen in a few years.
01:00:42.000 I remember Timothy McVeigh, I guess this is 26 years ago at this point, but he was executed within about five years.
01:00:48.000 Of the Oklahoma City bombing.
01:00:49.000 And I think we could certainly aspire to that at the federal level.
01:00:53.000 At the state level, I would guess the biggest barrier would be what we were talking about.
01:00:57.000 You should, if you made it so that we're going to pay to make every appeal in a death penalty case happen as quickly as possible, we're going to put special judges on this to hear those cases, get through the appeals, bam, bam, bam, bam, you could probably speed up the process quite a bit.
01:01:13.000 To make it go even faster, I think we're going to need new Supreme Court precedents.
01:01:18.000 We do have a pretty friendly Supreme Court right now. 0.95
01:01:20.000 Get them on board.
01:01:22.000 With, if like a state, maybe Oklahoma, Texas, Tennessee, some state that's pretty friendly to us, if they tried really hard to build up a speedy process of judicial appeals to get an execution happening in under 10 years, under eight years, under five years, I think we'd have a good Supreme Court set up to be open to this idea.
01:01:42.000 But you just got to make it a priority.
01:01:44.000 And I think sadly, it's not been a big priority in a lot of states to make that happen.
01:01:49.000 Well, there's also been a very concerted movement over the last 30 or 40 years.
01:01:55.000 By the left, almost exclusively the left, to jam up the process, to make it as painful as possible, to torment the victims, to try and make it as drawn out and lengthy as possible in the hopes that maybe this witness will die or that witness will die.
01:02:09.000 And then you can go and get a new trial and then there won't be any facts left because everyone who witnessed it is dead.
01:02:13.000 And oh, well, I guess we just can't kill this person anymore.
01:02:16.000 I don't think it is a problem with our mechanisms.
01:02:19.000 I think we have a lack of will as a people.
01:02:21.000 We have a judiciary that is puffed up on its own importance.
01:02:24.000 They now view themselves as not a co equal branch, but as a superior branch.
01:02:29.000 And I think what we, it's not a mechanical solution where, oh, we just need to do X, Y, and Z and this will happen.
01:02:35.000 We have this kind of sickness throughout the entire judiciary, the entire legal movement, where it's almost a fetish in how long it takes.
01:02:43.000 Look how fair we are.
01:02:45.000 Look how many appeals we exhausted.
01:02:47.000 What should happen is that when someone faces a capital charge, they should be tried almost immediately.
01:02:53.000 The appeal should be heard immediately afterwards.
01:02:56.000 And then there should be a tree and a long rope out back behind the courthouse.
01:02:59.000 To finish the job, we didn't have problems with this early in our history because we didn't have people obsessed with this fetishization of process where they could pat themselves on the back for how fair they were.
01:03:12.000 They are actually focused on justice.
01:03:14.000 And I think it's important to remember that mercy to the guilty is cruelty to the innocent.
01:03:19.000 And we are doing a grave disjustice to victims and their families with this absurd process we have.
01:03:25.000 When the first two vials of the penobarbital or whatever it was used on Krista Pike didn't work, they should have brought in a third, a fourth, a fifth, or a sixth.
01:03:34.000 This business where now she's out and we were somehow doing like resuscitations on someone who is sentenced to death is absolutely insane to me.
01:03:44.000 I suspect it was illegal, but we should not be having debates about, oh, should we try to execute her again?
01:03:50.000 Yes, a jury ruled on it. 0.97
01:03:51.000 She should have been executed that night. 0.97
01:03:53.000 And this business where we take forever is completely insane. 0.98
01:03:56.000 What we have is not a process problem.
01:03:59.000 We have a will and a courage problem in this country.
01:04:01.000 And I actually think that's going to be a lot more difficult to address than just doing some mechanical steps in the judiciary.
01:04:07.000 Yeah, I'm like looking.
01:04:09.000 I spent while you were talking, Sean.
01:04:10.000 I was looking at some of the delays, and it's crazy some of the stuff.
01:04:13.000 For example, death penalty appeals, there's essentially a specialized bar for it.
01:04:19.000 And as a result, one way you can delay this, if you're a state that has the death penalty but your elites don't really like it, like California, they just have a shortage of death penalty lawyers.
01:04:28.000 And so it takes ages for a convicted person sentenced to death to be assigned this defense lawyer who's barred within the capital, you know, for capital cases.
01:04:39.000 Oh, what do you know?
01:04:39.000 I guess it's just going to take us 50 years to execute this person.
01:04:42.000 They, of course, don't want to execute them.
01:04:45.000 I think very often it's also a matter, I think it's kind of considered untoward to pursue the death penalty, to try to pursue it aggressively.
01:04:54.000 I think even among Republicans, there's often this concession oh, the death penalty is not really good.
01:05:00.000 We should aspire to get rid of it.
01:05:03.000 And so we just have this unequal thing.
01:05:04.000 It's what you were saying, Sean.
01:05:05.000 They're fanatics about making sure nobody is ever executed.
01:05:09.000 And We're not comparatively as gung ho about saying people who have convicted heinous crimes need to face the sentence that was handed to them.
01:05:18.000 And you've got to make it a priority.
01:05:20.000 And we've seen President Trump's done that.
01:05:22.000 And that's why we actually have federal executions again.
01:05:24.000 Yeah.
01:05:24.000 And I would just remind everybody you know, the entirety of the defense for Tyler Robinson, for example, these are crusaders against the death penalty.
01:05:33.000 That's what they've devoted their entire career to.
01:05:36.000 They want to end and abolish the death penalty, if not in statute, in practicality.
01:05:42.000 That's what they want.
01:05:43.000 And so they're willing to fly around the country, take these cases where they know that the defendant is guilty and they can see it from all the evidence, but they still loathe the death penalty.
01:05:55.000 And so they devote their careers to it.
01:05:56.000 They fight it, they fight it, they fight it.
01:05:58.000 And by the way, the state of Utah is going to be on the hook for over $10 million when this is probably all said and done to defend an assassin.
01:06:05.000 So that's, you know, but they're proud of this.
01:06:07.000 They want to set up precedents that block and gum up the works increasingly.
01:06:11.000 And to Blake's point, the states that adequately resource.
01:06:15.000 The post conviction counsel.
01:06:17.000 So, if you're paying for these post conviction counsel for the appeals process, you can shorten the timeline.
01:06:25.000 But a lot of these states, they don't want to fund it.
01:06:27.000 They don't want to resource these divisions because they don't believe in it and they don't like it.
01:06:30.000 They think it's icky.
01:06:31.000 But I'm with Sean.
01:06:33.000 It needs to be accelerated.
01:06:34.000 Justice delayed is justice denied.
01:06:38.000 Next question.
01:06:39.000 Who's up next, guys?
01:06:41.000 Anthony.
01:06:41.000 Anthony, welcome back to the show.
01:06:43.000 Unmute yourself.
01:06:45.000 Hi, guys.
01:06:46.000 Hi, Sean.
01:06:46.000 Welcome.
01:06:48.000 I love Sean's funny question about when he leaves his head forward real quick about hey, just the shine off my head.
01:06:53.000 You have the John Smoltz haircut.
01:06:56.000 So we'll just go with that.
01:06:58.000 I just don't have the John Smoltz arm.
01:07:00.000 Commentary.
01:07:02.000 Yeah, we can all hope we do.
01:07:05.000 But here's my question.
01:07:06.000 I understand his commentary in the postseason, by the way.
01:07:09.000 Oh, I will agree.
01:07:09.000 His commentary is bad.
01:07:11.000 Is bad.
01:07:12.000 But so my question is this My caucus voted me on our vetting committee for our local elections coming up for like town board stuff, county legislator.
01:07:22.000 So I've done hiring of people for jobs and stuff.
01:07:25.000 But like when vetting a candidate that wants to run for reelection, other than looking at their voting track record, what Are some other things you guys would recommend to look for?
01:07:34.000 Because we have a town candidate who sided with two far left Democrats to clear cut 18 acres for a solar farm when we had another Republican and a Democrat voted no.
01:07:45.000 And this Republican wants to run for re election.
01:07:48.000 So, what would you guys recommend I should ask them, other than how they voted and everything?
01:07:55.000 Yeah.
01:07:55.000 So, my general view on candidates, whether they're for judicial positions, for politicians, I would like to know the politics of their spouse because, in my experience, If you're looking, for example, at a male politician, if their spouse is much more conservative and right wing than they are, you're probably going to be safe for a very long time.
01:08:16.000 If you're looking at a male Republican who's got a super lefty or squishy wife, I'm sorry, you're cooked.
01:08:22.000 So I would look for the candidates whose spouses are even more right wing than they are. 0.97
01:08:26.000 That's also a good rule for picking Supreme Court justices, it turns out. 1.00
01:08:30.000 Yep.
01:08:30.000 And picking spouses.
01:08:32.000 That I would never have thought of to ask.
01:08:34.000 That's actually a really good idea and a good question.
01:08:36.000 I like that.
01:08:36.000 That's an amazing one.
01:08:37.000 Yeah.
01:08:40.000 We have Tessa next. 1.00
01:08:42.000 Tessa, please unmute yourself.
01:08:44.000 What's your question?
01:08:45.000 Oh, we lost Tessa.
01:08:47.000 I want to say that anyway, though.
01:08:48.000 I want to read her cue because I think it's actually a pretty interesting one.
01:08:52.000 And I don't know that she's asked a question before either.
01:08:54.000 So I'd love to get to her.
01:08:55.000 But she asked Did sign gifts end with the apostles, in our opinion?
01:09:02.000 And that is, of course, the Acts of the Apostles describes many signs and wonders achieved by the apostles, similar to the miracles of Jesus, that they were able to drive out demons, heal people.
01:09:13.000 Perform other miracles, and people have wondered since we don't see this happening as prominently today.
01:09:20.000 Did some people have speculated maybe that was just an apostolic era gift to get the church on a roll and then lapsed?
01:09:28.000 Other, I mean, others believe these are actively going on.
01:09:30.000 Uh, so do either of you guys have a take on that?
01:09:33.000 Yeah, I'm not a cessationist, which would be what you would call somebody that believes the acts of the apostles, as Blake used the Catholic phraseology there.
01:09:42.000 Yeah, I believe that the gifts are still ongoing.
01:09:44.000 I mean, even in the Catholic church, you have these great stories from.
01:09:47.000 Throughout Catholic tradition, of you know, priests getting blown back to the back of the sanctuary, but then the Holy Spirit came on them.
01:09:55.000 And I've seen it as well.
01:09:56.000 I mean, I don't, I tend to be pretty skeptical when I see, you know, these prophets on social media.
01:10:03.000 You know, people are fainting all over the place.
01:10:05.000 I get pretty skeptical about that, but I have seen it in my own life.
01:10:08.000 I've seen people work in the prophetic, I've seen people have words of knowledge that are really powerful.
01:10:12.000 I've seen people get healed.
01:10:13.000 So I actually really believe this stuff, but I am skeptical, especially when it is not done, especially the gift of tongues, not done the way that the Bible.
01:10:22.000 So, you know, you're supposed to have an interpreter if you're going to do that in public.
01:10:26.000 Most churches that do tongues in public don't ever have an interpreter.
01:10:31.000 That's something that I'm always skeptical of.
01:10:32.000 Sean, what's your take on it?
01:10:33.000 You're a good evangelical young man.
01:10:36.000 Yeah, well, thank you.
01:10:37.000 Yeah, I've never been, I guess, what they call a secessionist.
01:10:41.000 God can choose to have miracles whenever, however, he wants.
01:10:46.000 He doesn't, you know, we can't limit God.
01:10:48.000 And I think we do this thing a lot where we decide that if we don't see something very often, then that must mean that it can't happen or it won't happen.
01:10:58.000 I also think, kind of post enlightenment, we have gotten way too comfortable with trying to make everything way too cerebral and technical and mechanical.
01:11:10.000 We try to take away from the spiritual and heavenly realms and try to say, well, this is for a scientific reason.
01:11:16.000 I think miracles happen all the time.
01:11:18.000 I think if your eyes are open to them, you see them in every little thing that happens every day.
01:11:23.000 And I think, in a sad sense, we've lost our wonder of the mystical, especially when it comes to God's power.
01:11:30.000 Now, when it comes to the frequency of seeing certain things in Acts, the whole book is about these amazing miracles.
01:11:37.000 And the book itself is not even a fraction of them.
01:11:40.000 It even says there were so many more signs and wonders that weren't ever done.
01:11:46.000 But I think they can happen.
01:11:48.000 I'm sure they do happen, whether they happen with the frequency that they did in the Bible.
01:11:53.000 I have no idea.
01:11:54.000 I tend to believe now that post-resurrection, crucifixion, resurrection, ascension, There's a different mission in the church than there was at the time.
01:12:04.000 There was no church then.
01:12:06.000 It was this little seedling of a church that needed to be fed and spread.
01:12:11.000 I feel like we're at a different stage of, I guess, apostolic history now.
01:12:16.000 It's almost impossible for anyone anywhere not to have heard the word, to not have heard the gospel.
01:12:22.000 And I think that probably may be the larger reason maybe we don't see all these crazy, dramatic miracles of the like that we're in Acts anymore.
01:12:31.000 Yeah.
01:12:32.000 Well said.
01:12:32.000 Yeah.
01:12:33.000 What is the Catholic?
01:12:34.000 Position on it.
01:12:36.000 It's not as, that specific framing is not as common in the Catholic Church, but generally the Church believes that miracles can still occur, that they generally won't say you must believe in any specific one, with rare exceptions.
01:12:51.000 So, as an example, Fatima, a very popular miracle, but you're not required to believe that that occurred, or Our Lady of Guadalupe, similar ones, similar stuff with various saints.
01:13:01.000 But nevertheless, there's a very strong Church tradition that certain saints, like St. Francis, St. Thomas Aquinas, that they Had miracles occur in their life.
01:13:11.000 There's a rich tradition of that, and we certainly do not believe that miracles have stopped being able to happen.
01:13:17.000 And so that would be the Catholic perspective on it.
01:13:20.000 I mean, in order to become a saint, you have to have certain miracles sort of like, you know, you have to be responsible for certain miracles or something, right?
01:13:29.000 So that makes perfect sense.
01:13:31.000 What's our last question here?
01:13:33.000 We have Julia. 0.95
01:13:34.000 This is another religion question.
01:13:35.000 I think it's really exciting.
01:13:36.000 So, Julia, unmute yourself and what's your question?
01:13:39.000 Hi, can you guys hear me?
01:13:40.000 Yes, we can.
01:13:42.000 Okay, amazing.
01:13:43.000 Yeah, so my question is about Charlie's eschatology.
01:13:46.000 I know that he talked about it, but he wasn't that specific, probably for good reason.
01:13:50.000 But I was kind of wondering if he was post or pre or amillennial, mainly because I've been doing a lot of research and I was always kind of on the pre side, but lately I find so much hope in the post side.
01:14:04.000 And I just have so many pre millennial people and churches around me saying, Oh, this is so bad. 0.73
01:14:09.000 The world's so bad.
01:14:10.000 Thank God.
01:14:12.000 The Lord is coming soon.
01:14:13.000 I'm like, that's it?
01:14:14.000 That's your answer?
01:14:15.000 Like, you're not going to fight or take a stake in the game?
01:14:18.000 So that's my question.
01:14:19.000 Yeah.
01:14:19.000 So, just to explain that for those who don't know, pre post amillennialism, this is the belief in the Bible, it refers to like a 1,000 year reign of Christ on earth.
01:14:29.000 And people debate what form that would take.
01:14:31.000 Amillennials would say that's maybe not a literal thing.
01:14:35.000 Premillennials, this is what you probably encounter the most in evangelical circles, they believe that's often associated with the belief in the rapture.
01:14:41.000 There will be a period of tribulation for the church, it will end with Christ's return, he will rule on earth, and then there will ultimately be the final judgment and last things.
01:14:51.000 And then post millennialism, this is associated a lot with maybe kind of liberal Christians who believe we'll kind of create the millennium on earth through evangelism, and then Christ will return after that millennium.
01:15:03.000 As for what Charlie believed, Charlie focused a lot on going against people who argue, we know we're in the end times right now.
01:15:11.000 Jesus is going to return.
01:15:13.000 I think he had a once line, you know, Jesus is going to return this Thursday or this Friday.
01:15:17.000 I think Charlie existed in that milieu.
01:15:18.000 I think he leaned towards the rapture would happen, that we would have some sort of tribulation.
01:15:23.000 Premillennialism, but he pushed back very hard on people who say, We know when this is going to occur.
01:15:29.000 We know we're in the end times.
01:15:31.000 We have a lot of specificity on this because he ran into what you said that people use it as an excuse to be inactive, to say, Oh, I'm checked out from things.
01:15:40.000 And that was what Charlie fought against more than the specifics on that.
01:15:43.000 You're reminding me, Blake.
01:15:45.000 You're reminding me, Blake.
01:15:46.000 He used to always say, You know, people ask me, Am I pre trib?
01:15:49.000 Am I post trib?
01:15:49.000 He's like, I'm pan trib, that it's all going to pan out in the end.
01:15:52.000 That's what he said.
01:15:54.000 So he expressed sympathies for premillennialism.
01:15:58.000 But he said he wasn't necessarily a dispensationalist.
01:16:01.000 I think that Charlie was hesitant to wade into these waters too definitively because a lot of his friends feel differently, and he was always kind of behind the scenes picking their brains.
01:16:13.000 I know that Jack Hibbs would talk with him a lot about this stuff, and they would kind of disagree and argue, but it was friendly.
01:16:20.000 But it's a great question.
01:16:21.000 Sean, you don't get to chime in on this one, I guess.
01:16:24.000 We ran out of time.
01:16:25.000 Those are great questions.
01:16:26.000 Just accept Jesus as your savior.
01:16:28.000 Just accept Jesus and have faith.
01:16:30.000 That's what you need.
01:16:31.000 Amen.
01:16:32.000 It's all going to pan out.
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