00:00:00.000Hey everybody, today on the Charlie Kirk Show, a super special and exclusive conversation with Dr. Simone Gold and Dr. Urso, who are here in person at the Turning Point USA Student Action Summit.
00:00:11.000We talk about the vaccine, hydroxychloroquine, and so much more.
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00:01:11.000His spirit, his love of this country, he's done an amazing job building one of the most powerful youth organizations ever created, Turning Point USA.
00:01:20.000We will not embrace the ideas that have destroyed countries, destroyed lives, and we are going to fight for freedom on campuses across the country.
00:01:35.000Pursuing truth is a huge part of who I am and what I stand for.
00:01:38.000When you look around at what's happening to our country, you can see why many people are experiencing real frustration with the news media along with feelings of uncertainty and a lack of hope for the future.
00:01:46.000How can we know which news is true and where or in whom can we place our trust?
00:01:51.000The only place I found unwavering truth and peace is in my faith in Jesus Christ.
00:01:56.000If 2020 has beaten down your spirit, I'd like to recommend a book to you called Reflections on the Existence of God by best-selling author Richard Simmons III.
00:02:06.000Reflections on the Existence of God is a collection of short essays that tackles the biggest question of all.
00:02:58.000As you all know, we are in the midst of battling the Chinese coronavirus.
00:03:02.000And as I said yesterday, it's no mystery to anyone here.
00:03:05.000And the idea of believing in liberty is also having responsibility.
00:03:11.000And so everyone here knows that you come and you take a risk and you know exactly what those risks are.
00:03:16.000Dr. Simone Gold and Dr. Urso, the last couple months, especially in June or July, came out so boldly and they were part of America's frontline doctors.
00:03:29.000And they're wearing their America's Frontline Doctor gear and they spoke out against lockdowns and they just wanted to really, in my opinion, courageously and factually balance the conversation against what was happening.
00:03:47.000And so, Dr. Gold, I want to start with you.
00:03:50.000You really set social media on fire when you came out and your group came out.
00:03:55.000You're the organizer of America's Frontline Doctors.
00:03:58.000Introduce yourself and also tell us why all of a sudden you were fired from your job.
00:04:05.000First of all, I'm so happy that you're doing TPUSA.
00:04:19.000I'm so sorry everybody had to be outside earlier and thank God you're inside and we're going to switch.
00:04:23.000But, you know, the fact that you're doing this event at all is amazing.
00:04:26.000You have to push back in your lives on rules that people are putting out there and do what you can to push back.
00:04:33.000And I know you've taken a lot of heat for it.
00:04:35.000We, as scientists, we as doctors know that these prohibitions by public health bureaucrats are unnecessary and unhelpful.
00:04:44.000We know this because we've had nine, ten months of this situation already.
00:04:47.000Areas that have not locked down, as you heard from Christy Noam yesterday, Governor Noam, South Dakota is fine, but it's not the only example.
00:04:56.000Areas that don't have masks or social distance, some of the poorest places on the planet in Africa that don't have any social distancing at all, have death rates about 1%, 1% of what we have in America.
00:05:08.000So you standing up and saying no is a proper course.
00:05:12.000I just want to give you props for that.
00:05:27.000And we could have done this entirely digitally.
00:05:29.000And I'll tell you what, our lives would have been a lot easier the last couple weeks, and our staff would have been spared of a lot of sleepless nights.
00:05:36.000And I hope you guys all know the Turning Point USA staff that are wearing those staff badges, they have not slept in the last couple days, especially last night dealing with all the curveballs.
00:05:46.000But we did it for a reason because we know that a lot of you are going to make friendships for a lifetime.
00:05:51.000And we human beings are built for contact.
00:05:54.000You can watch it on the live stream and everyone watching on the live stream, hello.
00:05:57.000But I think all of you here are having a much better experience than just watching in a living room.
00:06:05.000And I'm just wondering, you know, how the kids would feel about, you know, maybe staying, you know, exceeding what the public health bureaucrats are saying, how many people could come in.
00:09:02.000And we need to stop giving those orders to our public and let people decide for themselves how they want to go about their lives because disease has very little, especially on you guys, very little chance of hurting you.
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00:10:52.000I can say non-scientifically from personal experience, every person that I've recommended that to has had a favorable kind of, you know, treatment with that.
00:11:02.000Can you talk about that from a medical and doctor perspective?
00:11:05.000Yeah, I'll do this as quickly as I can.
00:11:07.000So I'm a board-certified emergency physician.
00:11:09.000I've been practicing in ER for more than 20 years.
00:11:11.000And when COVID hit, there were patients in front of me that needed a treatment that I knew worked.
00:11:15.000We knew it worked because since February, we had seen studies from across the world showing it worked.
00:11:19.000In February, in fact, China made giving hydroxychloroquine, and there they use chloroquine part of their national treatment.
00:11:27.000There's been studies all over the world.
00:11:28.000At this moment in time, there's more than 195 studies showing that hydroxychloroquine works.
00:11:33.000I myself have prescribed it for many patients, and it works.
00:11:35.000It always works if you give it early or preventively.
00:11:38.000Sometimes you still get sick, but it's very, very mild.
00:11:40.000It even works late, although not quite as well.
00:11:42.000So I'm seeing the patients in front of me, and I'm being told by the governor of the state and by my own medical directors that I couldn't use this drug.
00:11:48.000Nothing like this had ever happened in medicine, where another doctor said to a doctor, you can't give this ordinary medication.
00:11:54.000By the way, this medication has been FDA approved for 65 years.
00:11:57.000It derives from quinine, which George Washington gave his troops quinine found in tree barks.
00:12:01.000And it's been given billions of times across the planet.
00:12:06.000Countries that use chloroquine very widely, countries that have malaria endemically, Africa is a good example, have COVID death rates that are 1% of Western nations where we can't get our hands on hydroxychloroquine.
00:12:19.000So I was seeing the lies and the disinformations.
00:12:21.000I think some of what I'm saying is news to a lot of people.
00:12:26.000There have been Senate hearings on the subject.
00:12:28.000Lots of doctors have testified to this fact.
00:12:29.000There was no chance that we were not, as ethical doctors who took the Hippocratic oath, going to use this medicine.
00:12:35.000So what's very bewildering is it's a certainty.
00:12:38.000I know you only spoke anecdotally, but I'm telling you as an absolute fact is that it's effective.
00:12:43.000So at the same time, they're telling you that there's a 65-year-old medicine that you shouldn't take because it's not safe, even though we've given it to more than a billion people on the planet over 65 years.
00:12:51.000By the way, you should take this other thing that's three months old with brand new technology that hasn't had animal studies published, right?
00:12:58.000It makes no sense, and you never need, you cannot substitute anybody else's thinking for your own thinking.
00:13:51.000It's been around for a long period of time.
00:13:54.000And so, Dr. Urso, can you talk about how doctors have been silenced in the midst of all of this?
00:14:00.000Because this has been one of the most troubling trends is how people in your profession that spoke out against lockdowns, that spoke out against any one of the Fauci orders.
00:15:25.000There's many factors that go into treating patients, not just one.
00:15:28.000Hydroxychloroquine was foundational because, as I will tell you right now, it works against every respiratory RNA virus to prevent any RNA virus, even the flu.
00:15:39.000It works very well, actually, against all of them.
00:15:41.000So we need a multi-drug therapy makes a lot of sense because we have respiratory distress.
00:15:46.000We have other things that we have to treat besides just the pathogen itself.
00:15:51.000So it's been really difficult to sit there and tell patients who are sitting in your office crying, crying, they can't breathe, to go home.
00:16:23.000I just want to say that I wrote it because people were curious what happened to me, but I really wrote it exactly for the people in this audience and people outside who I'll talk with afterwards, because I give you tools how to recognize propaganda in real time.
00:16:35.000People say to me, well, you know, you're a doctor.
00:18:49.000There's a really important process where sometimes when you have a vaccine, you actually rev up your immune system and you start making bad antibodies.
00:18:59.000And so what happens is when you get the virus itself, instead of helping you, you're more likely to suffer very bad consequences because you had the vaccine.
00:19:10.000This is why we do not have any type of vaccine for cold viruses because it's called pathogenic priming or antibody-dependent enhancement, has a good name.
00:19:21.000But it basically means that the antibodies you make actually make you more likely to suffer when you actually get the virus.
00:19:28.000So here's why I say I'll be very cautious as we move forward.
00:20:10.000Nine people have had the vaccine and then had the virus.
00:20:14.000What's the most important group when we study as we move forward?
00:20:18.000The people who've had the vaccine, because this is where we failed in SARS, MERS, and every other cold virus.
00:20:26.000The reason we failed, it's not the vaccine.
00:20:28.000It's the response to the vaccine making bad antibodies, and we don't know until we get the virus.
00:20:37.000Good Ranchers began with the standard of bringing top quality, 100% American-born, raised, and harvested meat to families across America.
00:20:45.000This vision was instilled into them from their grandparents that owned community grocery stores and believed in trust, charity, and family values.
00:20:51.000Look, we've talked about Good Ranchers before.
00:20:53.000They sent us an unbelievable box of meat.
00:20:56.000And producer Connor, he brought it home and he said it was unbelievable.
00:21:00.000Seriously, he started talking about it uninterrupted for quite some time.
00:22:17.000So what Dr. Erso is saying is that if we give millions of people the vaccine, we don't yet know what the effect is going to be when they encounter the COVID-19 virus.
00:22:27.000In the past, when they've given coronavirus vaccines to animals, when the animals did fine after the vaccine, but when they got exposed to the virus in the wild, many of them, I don't know if it was most or many or all.
00:22:49.000The reason we're bringing all this science information to you, and by the way, this thing, pathogenic priming, is also known as antibody-dependent enhancement.
00:22:56.000Even though you've never heard of it, it's a thing.
00:23:01.000So coronaviruses are very difficult to make vaccines for this reason.
00:23:06.000So we feel it's very irresponsible to be releasing this to millions and millions of people until that question has been answered.
00:23:11.000It is still in its experimental stage.
00:23:14.000It's being authorized to use as an experimental treatment.
00:23:16.000If you want to sign yourself up to be part of a medical experiment or your parent or your grandparent, that's their choice.
00:23:22.000I would say as a physician honoring my Hippocratic oath and speaking on behalf of all of America's frontline doctors who came to a position on this, we think the vaccine is utterly prohibited if you're under age 20.
00:23:57.000We feel it's absolutely prohibited under age 20.
00:23:59.000Between 20 and 49, your risk of surviving COVID, if you get it, is 99.98.
00:24:05.000For that reason, we also think it's prohibited.
00:24:07.000These are people still in their childbearing years.
00:24:09.000We don't know, again, the pathogenic priming or the effect on the placenta.
00:24:12.000Over age 50 to 69, your risk of your chances of surviving COVID is 99.5.
00:24:18.000We feel in that group it should be discouraged, the vaccine, because there are other safer treatments that have been out for decades, but it should be your choice at that point.
00:24:26.000Over age 69, the risk of the odds of surviving COVID is almost 95%.
00:24:31.000We also feel that early treatment is better, but again, that would be up to personal preference, personal choice, because certainly there is a close to a 5% chance of death with COVID in that age group.
00:24:40.000And if you decide vaccine is better for you than early treatment, that should be your choice.
00:24:44.000But under no circumstances would I let my children, I'm a mom, get this vaccine.
00:24:49.000And by the way, may I say, I want to say very clearly, because I've been misunderstood, I'm a person who's had influenza vaccines every year.
00:25:30.000Or are you able to speak to that at all?
00:25:32.000Yeah, thank you actually so much for asking that question.
00:25:35.000So after being on this journey of trying to bring truth to the American people for several months, I've come to the sad decision that our government can't really help us, and it is going to be up to the people to make a difference.
00:25:50.000We've given you a way to make a difference.
00:25:52.000So we've set up a site called stopmedicaldiscrimination.org.
00:25:57.000The reason it has that name is there's going to be a lot of discrimination against people that go against the public health narrative, right?
00:26:03.000That choose to say, I don't want to be vaccinated.
00:26:06.000We want to stop that kind of discrimination.
00:26:08.000Discrimination is going to come in the form of universities requiring it, employers requiring it.
00:26:13.000And the first one I think that's going to come is airlines requiring it.
00:26:16.000I believe if airlines get together and do this the way they've done with masks, it's going to shut down American freedom and human freedom, I think, forever.
00:26:24.000You must, must go to stopmedical discrimination.org or SMDpetition.org.
00:26:33.000We need at least a million signatures.
00:26:35.000We're going to go to the airlines with those signatures and tell them their life is going to be difficult, costly, expensive, when they're going to have a fight on their hands, when they see millions of Americans are not going to comply.
00:26:48.000I'm telling you, every one of you has some social network.
00:26:50.000Some of you have 10 and some of you might have 3,000.
00:26:53.000You must get stopmedicaldiscrimination.org signatures.
00:26:56.000We will take it on behalf of you and push back on the airlines.
00:27:00.000And when we push back on the airlines, we will be able to push back successfully in other areas.
00:27:07.000Dr. Urso, in closing, can you just talk about what this year has really taught you about the state of the medical profession in America?
00:27:17.000Because you've been in for years before this.
00:27:19.000So I've done drug development, been involved in a drug that actually made it through the FDA.
00:27:24.000And all I can say is what I see is the politics and the finances have polluted our NIH, our FDA, and our CDC.
00:27:33.000And what we're seeing is that that's going over into the academic institutions.
00:27:39.000The hospitals have basically employed most of the physicians in the country, and it's made a huge difference on how people will speak out for their patients.
00:27:47.000They're afraid of losing their jobs, and I think that's made a huge difference on why it's a few that are up here rather than many.
00:27:55.000But to go to this long story, the CDC, they have multiple patents that they actually receive money on.
00:28:02.000The FDA gets 45% of their money from big pharma.
00:28:06.000The NIH, same thing, multiple patents.
00:28:08.000So, what happened is the fox is watching the hen house, and we've got to find a way to get past that.
00:28:16.000So, Dr. Gold, in closing, what has this year really taught you about the medical profession and what can everyone do?
00:28:22.000You mentioned the petition, and you mentioned the real risks for people, as you said, 65 and older, right?
00:28:29.000And we're very upfront, and everyone knows those risks, but for people our age, should schools be open?
00:28:37.000And should we tolerate basically the cancellation of entire generation?
00:28:43.000So, over 69, your chances of surviving COVID-19 are about 95%.
00:28:50.000Schools should never have been closed.
00:28:52.000It was the greatest mistake of this whole endeavor.
00:29:01.000When I got the first notice, my alma mater, we got a notice in the email that it was being closed.
00:29:05.000I knew that this was a big lie because it made no scientific sense to close down a place where young people were because we always knew from the very beginning, from China, right, from December, January, we knew that this didn't really affect kids.
00:29:17.000We've only found out more strongly that that's the case.
00:29:30.000I happen to think college is worthless at this point, almost always.
00:29:35.000And I'm saying that as a person, I'm saying that as a person who has two doctorate degrees, all right?
00:29:40.000So, it's not as though I devalue education, but for most people, when you're 18 years old, you're smart enough, you're hardworking enough, you can go out and you can make a future.
00:29:48.000And you don't believe it because you've been told that that's not the way.
00:29:51.000So, if you want, I've heard you say this, if you want to pursue like an engineering degree or something like a doctor, of course, you need more education.
00:29:58.000But short of that, I think it's poison, and it pains me to say that.
00:30:03.000One comment that I want Dr. Gold to touch on: there's a strategy they're going to use to try to get you to take this vaccine.
00:30:10.000They're going to tell you that if you take the vaccine, that you're going to help your grandmother.
00:30:45.000You think your life will get back to normal.
00:30:46.000It's very clear to me as an adult, your life is not going to get back to normal after the vaccine, all right?
00:30:51.000First of all, the surgeon general just came out this week and admitted it, right on Good Morning America, said that the vaccine doesn't stop transmission.
00:30:59.000In other words, it's more like a drug to treat the symptoms.
00:31:01.000It's not actually stopping the transmission, meaning you need to wear the masks, meaning you need to do social distancing.
00:31:06.000And you have to say to yourself at age 18, why am I listening to these people?
00:31:12.000So just know what's going on and make the best decision for yourself.
00:31:15.000America's frontline doctors has a lot of scientific information if you want about lockdowns and masks and vaccines, if you want to educate yourself.
00:31:23.000Charlie, can I make one final comment about that?
00:31:26.000So what they're going to tell you is, my mask protects you, your mask protects me.
00:31:31.000My vaccine protects you, your vaccine protects me.
00:31:36.000My food nourishes you and your food nourishes me.
00:31:41.000As you see, there's no logic to any of this.
00:31:44.000There's no science behind my mask protects you, my vaccine protects you, my food doesn't nourish you.