The Charlie Kirk Show - Vaccines, Hydroxychloroquine, and Lockdown Madness Explained by America's Frontline Doctors

00:00:00.000 Hey everybody, today on the Charlie Kirk Show, a super special and exclusive conversation with Dr. Simone Gold and Dr. Urso, who are here in person at the Turning Point USA Student Action Summit.

00:00:11.000 We talk about the vaccine, hydroxychloroquine, and so much more.

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00:01:32.000 Truth is so important to me.

00:01:35.000 Pursuing truth is a huge part of who I am and what I stand for.

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00:02:50.000 We wanted to start this afternoon session with two very special guests.

00:02:55.000 You might recognize both of them.

00:02:58.000 As you all know, we are in the midst of battling the Chinese coronavirus.

00:03:02.000 And as I said yesterday, it's no mystery to anyone here.

00:03:05.000 And the idea of believing in liberty is also having responsibility.

00:03:11.000 And so everyone here knows that you come and you take a risk and you know exactly what those risks are.

00:03:16.000 Dr. Simone Gold and Dr. Urso, the last couple months, especially in June or July, came out so boldly and they were part of America's frontline doctors.

00:03:26.000 Do you remember that over the summer?

00:03:29.000 And they're wearing their America's Frontline Doctor gear and they spoke out against lockdowns and they just wanted to really, in my opinion, courageously and factually balance the conversation against what was happening.

00:03:47.000 And so, Dr. Gold, I want to start with you.

00:03:50.000 You really set social media on fire when you came out and your group came out.

00:03:55.000 You're the organizer of America's Frontline Doctors.

00:03:58.000 Introduce yourself and also tell us why all of a sudden you were fired from your job.

00:04:05.000 First of all, I'm so happy that you're doing TPUSA.

00:04:07.000 It's such an important event.

00:04:09.000 I just want to, right?

00:04:10.000 Right?

00:04:11.000 And I was so worried.

00:04:14.000 I was so worried that this, you know, it would be an online event.

00:04:16.000 And thank God that it's not.

00:04:18.000 You know, it's so difficult.

00:04:19.000 I'm so sorry everybody had to be outside earlier and thank God you're inside and we're going to switch.

00:04:23.000 But, you know, the fact that you're doing this event at all is amazing.

00:04:26.000 You have to push back in your lives on rules that people are putting out there and do what you can to push back.

00:04:33.000 And I know you've taken a lot of heat for it.

00:04:35.000 We, as scientists, we as doctors know that these prohibitions by public health bureaucrats are unnecessary and unhelpful.

00:04:44.000 We know this because we've had nine, ten months of this situation already.

00:04:47.000 Areas that have not locked down, as you heard from Christy Noam yesterday, Governor Noam, South Dakota is fine, but it's not the only example.

00:04:54.000 Sweden also did not lock down.

00:04:56.000 Areas that don't have masks or social distance, some of the poorest places on the planet in Africa that don't have any social distancing at all, have death rates about 1%, 1% of what we have in America.

00:05:08.000 So you standing up and saying no is a proper course.

00:05:12.000 I just want to give you props for that.

00:05:13.000 Thank you.

00:05:14.000 And thank you to all the students that came from across the country who also stood boldly for that.

00:05:19.000 And look, look, we made the decision to actually practice what we preach.

00:05:24.000 We believe in liberty and freedom.

00:05:26.000 We love this country.

00:05:27.000 And we could have done this entirely digitally.

00:05:29.000 And I'll tell you what, our lives would have been a lot easier the last couple weeks, and our staff would have been spared of a lot of sleepless nights.

00:05:36.000 And I hope you guys all know the Turning Point USA staff that are wearing those staff badges, they have not slept in the last couple days, especially last night dealing with all the curveballs.

00:05:46.000 But we did it for a reason because we know that a lot of you are going to make friendships for a lifetime.

00:05:51.000 And we human beings are built for contact.

00:05:54.000 You can watch it on the live stream and everyone watching on the live stream, hello.

00:05:57.000 But I think all of you here are having a much better experience than just watching in a living room.

00:06:01.000 Would you say?

00:06:05.000 And I'm just wondering, you know, how the kids would feel about, you know, maybe staying, you know, exceeding what the public health bureaucrats are saying, how many people could come in.

00:06:15.000 What do you all think about that?

00:06:18.000 Again, I would, as I said earlier, I would love to let them in.

00:06:25.000 We're in county property.

00:06:26.000 I said this earlier.

00:06:27.000 It's no different than being at the local aquatic center or library.

00:06:30.000 We are at the mercy of the county.

00:06:31.000 We're thankful they're allowing us to do the event at all, but they're in complete control of this.

00:06:36.000 This is not a private venue.

00:06:37.000 This is a government building, okay?

00:06:39.000 And so you guys know me.

00:06:40.000 If I did, I would have people everywhere if I could, okay?

00:06:43.000 So we're trying to do the best we possibly can, but it's county health officials and county board.

00:06:47.000 And again, I'm trying to nuance my remarks because the lights could turn out suddenly and we'd have no events, right?

00:06:53.000 And so we have to be both factually critical and also thankful we're able to do an event at all.

00:07:00.000 However, I think it's nonsense that we can't have more people in.

00:07:02.000 Okay, so Dr. Urso, these lockdowns the last couple months have had real health consequences.

00:07:12.000 Can you talk about the human cost of lockdowns?

00:07:15.000 Because the framing of the debate has been: if you care about lockdowns, you care about people.

00:07:20.000 If you don't want lockdowns, you don't care about people.

00:07:23.000 Can you talk about that?

00:07:25.000 Yes, thank you guys.

00:07:26.000 I'm so happy to be here.

00:07:28.000 It's so exciting because your energy helps all of us.

00:07:31.000 We love this.

00:07:32.000 So I'm going to address this by just saying this: mass distancing and lockdowns were a bad idea from the beginning.

00:07:39.000 From the beginning, it was alive from the beginning.

00:07:42.000 Okay?

00:07:43.000 It was never a good idea.

00:07:45.000 And here's why, okay?

00:07:46.000 Here's why.

00:07:47.000 The first estimates were from Neil Ferguson, who basically said that 7 million people would be dead by now, I think, worldwide.

00:07:56.000 The numbers were horrible, but the guy has made a history out of overestimating pandemics.

00:08:02.000 He's never been right.

00:08:04.000 And those were the things that we used to drive public policy here in the U.S.

00:08:09.000 So again, mass distancing, lockdowns, wait for a vaccine was a terrible policy from the beginning.

00:08:14.000 As you look at Sweden, they've done a wonderful job.

00:08:17.000 So it doesn't make any more sense now than it did back then.

00:08:21.000 That was not a good model to begin with.

00:08:22.000 It was alive from the beginning.

00:08:25.000 So it doesn't make any more sense to do it now.

00:08:27.000 Why is that?

00:08:28.000 Because we have early treatment that actually works quite well.

00:08:31.000 And when I say that, I mean there's four parts: there's inflammation, infection, blood clots, and breathing problems.

00:08:37.000 We can treat all of those things as an outpatient.

00:08:40.000 There's nothing to stop us from giving something for breathing problems.

00:08:44.000 We use the same medicines we use for asthma.

00:08:46.000 If we have somebody who has inflammation, have you ever heard of anybody being hospitalized for inflammation?

00:08:52.000 Absolutely not.

00:08:53.000 So you've got to look at this in parts.

00:08:55.000 The disease was manageable right from the beginning.

00:08:58.000 So that's one of the things why this never made sense.

00:09:01.000 It still doesn't make sense.

00:09:02.000 And we need to stop giving those orders to our public and let people decide for themselves how they want to go about their lives because disease has very little, especially on you guys, very little chance of hurting you.

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00:10:29.000 I think this is the biggest gathering on the on the planet right now.

00:10:34.000 So that's kind of cool.

00:10:35.000 So all right, so Dr. Gold, let's start with.

00:10:42.000 Over the summer, you were one of the leading voices talking about hydroxychloroquine.

00:10:48.000 Can you talk about why you talked about that?

00:10:50.000 You know, you spoke about that.

00:10:52.000 I can say non-scientifically from personal experience, every person that I've recommended that to has had a favorable kind of, you know, treatment with that.

00:11:02.000 Can you talk about that from a medical and doctor perspective?

00:11:05.000 Yeah, I'll do this as quickly as I can.

00:11:07.000 So I'm a board-certified emergency physician.

00:11:09.000 I've been practicing in ER for more than 20 years.

00:11:11.000 And when COVID hit, there were patients in front of me that needed a treatment that I knew worked.

00:11:15.000 We knew it worked because since February, we had seen studies from across the world showing it worked.

00:11:19.000 In February, in fact, China made giving hydroxychloroquine, and there they use chloroquine part of their national treatment.

00:11:25.000 In March, India did the same thing.

00:11:27.000 There's been studies all over the world.

00:11:28.000 At this moment in time, there's more than 195 studies showing that hydroxychloroquine works.

00:11:33.000 I myself have prescribed it for many patients, and it works.

00:11:35.000 It always works if you give it early or preventively.

00:11:38.000 Sometimes you still get sick, but it's very, very mild.

00:11:40.000 It even works late, although not quite as well.

00:11:42.000 So I'm seeing the patients in front of me, and I'm being told by the governor of the state and by my own medical directors that I couldn't use this drug.

00:11:48.000 Nothing like this had ever happened in medicine, where another doctor said to a doctor, you can't give this ordinary medication.

00:11:54.000 By the way, this medication has been FDA approved for 65 years.

00:11:57.000 It derives from quinine, which George Washington gave his troops quinine found in tree barks.

00:12:01.000 And it's been given billions of times across the planet.

00:12:04.000 Every country uses it.

00:12:06.000 Countries that use chloroquine very widely, countries that have malaria endemically, Africa is a good example, have COVID death rates that are 1% of Western nations where we can't get our hands on hydroxychloroquine.

00:12:19.000 So I was seeing the lies and the disinformations.

00:12:21.000 I think some of what I'm saying is news to a lot of people.

00:12:23.000 But it absolutely works.

00:12:24.000 It absolutely saved lives.

00:12:25.000 It's not a question.

00:12:26.000 There have been Senate hearings on the subject.

00:12:28.000 Lots of doctors have testified to this fact.

00:12:29.000 There was no chance that we were not, as ethical doctors who took the Hippocratic oath, going to use this medicine.

00:12:35.000 So what's very bewildering is it's a certainty.

00:12:38.000 I know you only spoke anecdotally, but I'm telling you as an absolute fact is that it's effective.

00:12:43.000 So at the same time, they're telling you that there's a 65-year-old medicine that you shouldn't take because it's not safe, even though we've given it to more than a billion people on the planet over 65 years.

00:12:51.000 By the way, you should take this other thing that's three months old with brand new technology that hasn't had animal studies published, right?

00:12:58.000 It makes no sense, and you never need, you cannot substitute anybody else's thinking for your own thinking.

00:13:03.000 Does that make sense to you?

00:13:07.000 And so just to reiterate, hydroxychloroquine, have you seen it help people that were struggling in the fight?

00:13:18.000 There's no question that hydroxychloroquine saves lives.

00:13:22.000 No question.

00:13:24.000 And that is something that we're not allowed to talk about.

00:13:28.000 And just...

00:13:30.000 May I just jump in?

00:13:31.000 So I'm sorry, you know I'm passionate about the subject.

00:13:33.000 So there are suits going on in the Netherlands called a crime.

00:13:36.000 There's a guy who filed a lawsuit, a doctor, against calling it a crime against humanity that hydroxychloroquine has been limited.

00:13:42.000 And there was doctors that went before the Senate three weeks ago calling this an evil perpetrated upon the world.

00:13:49.000 And it's cheap.

00:13:50.000 It's widespread.

00:13:51.000 It's been around for a long period of time.

00:13:54.000 And so, Dr. Urso, can you talk about how doctors have been silenced in the midst of all of this?

00:14:00.000 Because this has been one of the most troubling trends is how people in your profession that spoke out against lockdowns, that spoke out against any one of the Fauci orders.

00:14:15.000 Do we like Fauci or not?

00:14:16.000 I don't know if we like Fauci.

00:14:18.000 I think we do.

00:14:20.000 Is all of a sudden it was a complete and total silencing.

00:14:24.000 Can you talk about how in the medical profession people were losing their jobs like Dr. Gold and others?

00:14:30.000 Have we ever seen anything like this?

00:14:31.000 No, and I want to go back to Fauci if you don't mind, because one of the things that he's done is he's stopped early treatment, period.

00:14:39.000 Doesn't matter what it is.

00:14:41.000 And we treat early no matter what.

00:14:43.000 So if somebody has this disease, just like any other disease, we want to get on top of it quickly.

00:14:49.000 So to tell doctors early on, people were so fearful to treat this disease.

00:14:55.000 People were losing their license.

00:14:56.000 I was sanctioned by my board.

00:14:58.000 As you know, Dr. Gold lost her job.

00:15:01.000 Many of us who spoke out early, it was a very lonely road.

00:15:05.000 We were basically shoveling against the tide.

00:15:08.000 It was very difficult.

00:15:09.000 People were telling us not to do it.

00:15:11.000 And it didn't make any sense because, as I said before, we always treat, we can't cure HIV, right?

00:15:19.000 But we can mitigate the damage.

00:15:21.000 We can improve disease tolerance.

00:15:23.000 We can work on prevention.

00:15:25.000 There's many factors that go into treating patients, not just one.

00:15:28.000 Hydroxychloroquine was foundational because, as I will tell you right now, it works against every respiratory RNA virus to prevent any RNA virus, even the flu.

00:15:39.000 It works very well, actually, against all of them.

00:15:41.000 So we need a multi-drug therapy makes a lot of sense because we have respiratory distress.

00:15:46.000 We have other things that we have to treat besides just the pathogen itself.

00:15:51.000 So it's been really difficult to sit there and tell patients who are sitting in your office crying, crying, they can't breathe, to go home.

00:16:02.000 That's all I have to say about that.

00:16:03.000 Does it make sense?

00:16:04.000 So Dr. Gold, can you talk about this as well?

00:16:07.000 You lost your job.

00:16:08.000 Why did you lose your job?

00:16:09.000 It seems like there was a blacklisting that started in the medical community.

00:16:13.000 Yeah, so I wrote a short little book called I Do Not Consent, My Fight Against Medical Cancel Culture.

00:16:19.000 So cancel culture.

00:16:20.000 Cancel culture.

00:16:23.000 I just want to say that I wrote it because people were curious what happened to me, but I really wrote it exactly for the people in this audience and people outside who I'll talk with afterwards, because I give you tools how to recognize propaganda in real time.

00:16:35.000 People say to me, well, you know, you're a doctor.

00:16:37.000 You can know.

00:16:37.000 By the way, that's not true.

00:16:39.000 Most of the doctors also have drunk the Kool-Aid.

00:16:42.000 It's not about age and it's not about education.

00:16:44.000 It's about a structured way of thinking that teaches you how to recognize propaganda in real time.

00:16:50.000 So that book, My Fight Against Cancel Culture, I Do Not Consent.

00:16:54.000 We'll explain it.

00:16:55.000 I was fired specifically because I was prescribing hydroxychloroquine and zinc for patients who need it.

00:16:59.000 By the way, every time I did that, I personally called the patient.

00:17:02.000 And as an ER doctor, that's a little unusual.

00:17:04.000 But I personally called all of them got better so quickly, which is exactly what I've seen over and over and over again.

00:17:10.000 It's what the studies show.

00:17:12.000 It's a crime against humanity.

00:17:14.000 So you lost your job because you started to speak out.

00:17:18.000 And you were treating patients successfully.

00:17:22.000 Yeah, I was one of those healthcare workers that was being cheered on until I was fired.

00:17:27.000 And so, Dr. Urso, can you also talk about, let's talk about the thing that will definitely get us in trouble, the vaccine.

00:17:35.000 And I'm completely, I'm not going to take the vaccine.

00:17:38.000 I'm not going to tell what other people to do because I'm going to tell other people to make their own decisions.

00:17:44.000 And if you think that's the best decision for you, then absolutely go do that.

00:17:48.000 That's not for me to impart that.

00:17:50.000 I'm just going to say what I'm going to do.

00:17:51.000 Similar to if you don't feel comfortable going to an event, don't go to an event.

00:17:54.000 But can you just give a medical perspective?

00:17:58.000 Are you in support of this?

00:17:59.000 Are you against this?

00:18:00.000 Do you have questions about it?

00:18:02.000 Help us unpack this.

00:18:04.000 So everything we do involves risk and reward.

00:18:07.000 Okay, so in this case, we've got to look at the data set.

00:18:11.000 And we know this disease affects different populations in different ways.

00:18:15.000 Under 20, it's one in 33,000.

00:18:18.000 Infection fatality rate, under 50,000, 1 in 5,000.

00:18:22.000 Under 70, 1 in 200, over 70, 1 in 19.

00:18:26.000 So first thing we've got to do is assess the risk.

00:18:28.000 And what I would say is it's personal choice, right?

00:18:30.000 So we shouldn't be mandated to have vaccines.

00:18:33.000 Now, what about the data on this vaccine?

00:18:35.000 All right.

00:18:36.000 This is really important.

00:18:37.000 You guys nearly need to hear this, okay?

00:18:39.000 So you know there's thousands of patients that have had the vaccine, correct?

00:18:43.000 Like 44,000 for Pfizer.

00:18:45.000 22 had the vaccine, 22 didn't.

00:18:48.000 All right.

00:18:49.000 There's a really important process where sometimes when you have a vaccine, you actually rev up your immune system and you start making bad antibodies.

00:18:59.000 And so what happens is when you get the virus itself, instead of helping you, you're more likely to suffer very bad consequences because you had the vaccine.

00:19:09.000 This is a known thing.

00:19:10.000 This is why we do not have any type of vaccine for cold viruses because it's called pathogenic priming or antibody-dependent enhancement, has a good name.

00:19:21.000 But it basically means that the antibodies you make actually make you more likely to suffer when you actually get the virus.

00:19:28.000 So here's why I say I'll be very cautious as we move forward.

00:19:33.000 I don't like even calling it vaccine.

00:19:35.000 It needs to be called experimental vaccine.

00:19:39.000 Okay?

00:19:40.000 Experimental.

00:19:43.000 So what we have is, okay, somebody, I want somebody to give me a number.

00:19:49.000 How many people have had the vaccine for Pfizer and then had the virus?

00:19:54.000 How many people?

00:19:54.000 Because that's that critical group.

00:19:57.000 Does anybody want to venture an answer?

00:20:01.000 Good.

00:20:01.000 That's 11,000.

00:20:02.000 He said 11,000.

00:20:03.000 The answer is nine.

00:20:06.000 Nine.

00:20:07.000 No, nine, nine.

00:20:10.000 Nine people have had the vaccine and then had the virus.

00:20:14.000 What's the most important group when we study as we move forward?

00:20:18.000 The people who've had the vaccine, because this is where we failed in SARS, MERS, and every other cold virus.

00:20:26.000 The reason we failed, it's not the vaccine.

00:20:28.000 It's the response to the vaccine making bad antibodies, and we don't know until we get the virus.

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00:22:12.000 Thanks so much.

00:22:16.000 If I could just jump in there.

00:22:17.000 So what Dr. Erso is saying is that if we give millions of people the vaccine, we don't yet know what the effect is going to be when they encounter the COVID-19 virus.

00:22:27.000 In the past, when they've given coronavirus vaccines to animals, when the animals did fine after the vaccine, but when they got exposed to the virus in the wild, many of them, I don't know if it was most or many or all.

00:22:41.000 I think it was all of them.

00:22:42.000 They were cats or ferrets, died.

00:22:45.000 It's called pathogenic priming.

00:22:47.000 This must be answered.

00:22:49.000 The reason we're bringing all this science information to you, and by the way, this thing, pathogenic priming, is also known as antibody-dependent enhancement.

00:22:56.000 Even though you've never heard of it, it's a thing.

00:22:58.000 You can find it on Wikipedia.

00:23:00.000 It's a thing, okay?

00:23:01.000 So coronaviruses are very difficult to make vaccines for this reason.

00:23:06.000 So we feel it's very irresponsible to be releasing this to millions and millions of people until that question has been answered.

00:23:11.000 It is still in its experimental stage.

00:23:14.000 It's being authorized to use as an experimental treatment.

00:23:16.000 If you want to sign yourself up to be part of a medical experiment or your parent or your grandparent, that's their choice.

00:23:22.000 I would say as a physician honoring my Hippocratic oath and speaking on behalf of all of America's frontline doctors who came to a position on this, we think the vaccine is utterly prohibited if you're under age 20.

00:23:34.000 Let me just finish.

00:23:35.000 We think it's prohibited under age 20 because the risks are unknown and the risk of death is so low.

00:23:41.000 The survival rate in your under-20 age group is 99.997%.

00:23:46.000 How can you take an unknown risk of this pathogenic priming?

00:23:49.000 And I haven't even gotten into the question of the fertility question.

00:23:52.000 There's a question if the vaccine can affect the growth of the placenta.

00:23:55.000 These questions must be answered.

00:23:57.000 We feel it's absolutely prohibited under age 20.

00:23:59.000 Between 20 and 49, your risk of surviving COVID, if you get it, is 99.98.

00:24:05.000 For that reason, we also think it's prohibited. 0.94

00:24:07.000 These are people still in their childbearing years.

00:24:09.000 We don't know, again, the pathogenic priming or the effect on the placenta.

00:24:12.000 Over age 50 to 69, your risk of your chances of surviving COVID is 99.5.

00:24:18.000 We feel in that group it should be discouraged, the vaccine, because there are other safer treatments that have been out for decades, but it should be your choice at that point.

00:24:26.000 Over age 69, the risk of the odds of surviving COVID is almost 95%.

00:24:31.000 We also feel that early treatment is better, but again, that would be up to personal preference, personal choice, because certainly there is a close to a 5% chance of death with COVID in that age group.

00:24:40.000 And if you decide vaccine is better for you than early treatment, that should be your choice.

00:24:44.000 But under no circumstances would I let my children, I'm a mom, get this vaccine.

00:24:49.000 And by the way, may I say, I want to say very clearly, because I've been misunderstood, I'm a person who's had influenza vaccines every year.

00:24:58.000 As an ER physician, it's required.

00:24:59.000 I've had hepatitis shots, fully vaccinated.

00:25:02.000 My children have been vaccinated.

00:25:04.000 This is different.

00:25:04.000 All right.

00:25:05.000 This is an experimental vaccine with unknown effects, including potential effects on fertility.

00:25:11.000 So, Dr. Gold, I think one of the challenges is a lot of people in this room are going to be forced to get the vaccine.

00:25:20.000 Is anyone here going to a school where they're going to force you to do that?

00:25:23.000 A couple hints.

00:25:26.000 And that's one option.

00:25:28.000 Is there any legal recourse?

00:25:30.000 Or are you able to speak to that at all?

00:25:32.000 Yeah, thank you actually so much for asking that question.

00:25:35.000 So after being on this journey of trying to bring truth to the American people for several months, I've come to the sad decision that our government can't really help us, and it is going to be up to the people to make a difference.

00:25:46.000 Now, I've given you a way.

00:25:49.000 It's true.

00:25:50.000 We've given you a way to make a difference.

00:25:52.000 So we've set up a site called stopmedicaldiscrimination.org.

00:25:57.000 The reason it has that name is there's going to be a lot of discrimination against people that go against the public health narrative, right?

00:26:03.000 That choose to say, I don't want to be vaccinated.

00:26:06.000 We want to stop that kind of discrimination.

00:26:08.000 Discrimination is going to come in the form of universities requiring it, employers requiring it.

00:26:13.000 And the first one I think that's going to come is airlines requiring it.

00:26:16.000 I believe if airlines get together and do this the way they've done with masks, it's going to shut down American freedom and human freedom, I think, forever.

00:26:23.000 It's critical.

00:26:24.000 You must, must go to stopmedical discrimination.org or SMDpetition.org.

00:26:33.000 We need at least a million signatures.

00:26:35.000 We're going to go to the airlines with those signatures and tell them their life is going to be difficult, costly, expensive, when they're going to have a fight on their hands, when they see millions of Americans are not going to comply.

00:26:44.000 This is what you can do.

00:26:45.000 People ask young kids especially, what can I do?

00:26:47.000 What can I do?

00:26:48.000 I'm telling you, every one of you has some social network.

00:26:50.000 Some of you have 10 and some of you might have 3,000.

00:26:53.000 You must get stopmedicaldiscrimination.org signatures.

00:26:56.000 We will take it on behalf of you and push back on the airlines.

00:27:00.000 And when we push back on the airlines, we will be able to push back successfully in other areas.

00:27:07.000 Dr. Urso, in closing, can you just talk about what this year has really taught you about the state of the medical profession in America?

00:27:17.000 Because you've been in for years before this.

00:27:19.000 So I've done drug development, been involved in a drug that actually made it through the FDA.

00:27:24.000 And all I can say is what I see is the politics and the finances have polluted our NIH, our FDA, and our CDC.

00:27:33.000 And what we're seeing is that that's going over into the academic institutions.

00:27:39.000 The hospitals have basically employed most of the physicians in the country, and it's made a huge difference on how people will speak out for their patients.

00:27:47.000 They're afraid of losing their jobs, and I think that's made a huge difference on why it's a few that are up here rather than many.

00:27:55.000 But to go to this long story, the CDC, they have multiple patents that they actually receive money on.

00:28:02.000 The FDA gets 45% of their money from big pharma.

00:28:06.000 The NIH, same thing, multiple patents.

00:28:08.000 So, what happened is the fox is watching the hen house, and we've got to find a way to get past that.

00:28:16.000 So, Dr. Gold, in closing, what has this year really taught you about the medical profession and what can everyone do?

00:28:22.000 You mentioned the petition, and you mentioned the real risks for people, as you said, 65 and older, right?

00:28:29.000 And we're very upfront, and everyone knows those risks, but for people our age, should schools be open?

00:28:35.000 Should activities be resumed?

00:28:37.000 And should we tolerate basically the cancellation of entire generation?

00:28:43.000 So, over 69, your chances of surviving COVID-19 are about 95%.

00:28:50.000 Schools should never have been closed.

00:28:52.000 It was the greatest mistake of this whole endeavor.

00:29:01.000 When I got the first notice, my alma mater, we got a notice in the email that it was being closed.

00:29:05.000 I knew that this was a big lie because it made no scientific sense to close down a place where young people were because we always knew from the very beginning, from China, right, from December, January, we knew that this didn't really affect kids.

00:29:17.000 We've only found out more strongly that that's the case. 0.87

00:29:20.000 It's a crime.

00:29:21.000 You know, nothing in life is risk-free.

00:29:23.000 I thought Tucker Carlson's talk last night was incredible.

00:29:26.000 I hope people really like took it in.

00:29:29.000 There's nothing that's risk-free.

00:29:30.000 I happen to think college is worthless at this point, almost always.

00:29:35.000 And I'm saying that as a person, I'm saying that as a person who has two doctorate degrees, all right?

00:29:40.000 So, it's not as though I devalue education, but for most people, when you're 18 years old, you're smart enough, you're hardworking enough, you can go out and you can make a future.

00:29:48.000 And you don't believe it because you've been told that that's not the way.

00:29:51.000 So, if you want, I've heard you say this, if you want to pursue like an engineering degree or something like a doctor, of course, you need more education.

00:29:58.000 But short of that, I think it's poison, and it pains me to say that.

00:30:03.000 One comment that I want Dr. Gold to touch on: there's a strategy they're going to use to try to get you to take this vaccine.

00:30:10.000 They're going to tell you that if you take the vaccine, that you're going to help your grandmother.

00:30:15.000 You want to talk about that?

00:30:16.000 Thank you so much.

00:30:19.000 There's a feeling, you know, early on they're saying, you know, wear your mask to protect you, and then they changed it.

00:30:23.000 They flipped the public relations aspect of it, wear a mask to protect the other person.

00:30:27.000 First of all, that's socialism, all right?

00:30:28.000 They're getting you adjusted to socialism.

00:30:34.000 I want you to know that there's really no end in sight after the vaccine, all right?

00:30:39.000 You all, in the most positive sense, you're like, well, all right, I'll just take the vaccine because, you know, it's whatever.

00:30:44.000 I'll just do it.

00:30:45.000 You think your life will get back to normal.

00:30:46.000 It's very clear to me as an adult, your life is not going to get back to normal after the vaccine, all right?

00:30:51.000 First of all, the surgeon general just came out this week and admitted it, right on Good Morning America, said that the vaccine doesn't stop transmission.

00:30:58.000 Those are his words, not mine.

00:30:59.000 In other words, it's more like a drug to treat the symptoms.

00:31:01.000 It's not actually stopping the transmission, meaning you need to wear the masks, meaning you need to do social distancing.

00:31:06.000 And you have to say to yourself at age 18, why am I listening to these people?

00:31:12.000 So just know what's going on and make the best decision for yourself.

00:31:15.000 America's frontline doctors has a lot of scientific information if you want about lockdowns and masks and vaccines, if you want to educate yourself.

00:31:23.000 Charlie, can I make one final comment about that?

00:31:26.000 So what they're going to tell you is, my mask protects you, your mask protects me.

00:31:31.000 My vaccine protects you, your vaccine protects me.

00:31:36.000 My food nourishes you and your food nourishes me.

00:31:41.000 As you see, there's no logic to any of this.

00:31:44.000 There's no science behind my mask protects you, my vaccine protects you, my food doesn't nourish you.

00:31:51.000 It doesn't make sense, okay?

00:31:53.000 None of that is true.

00:31:54.000 A lot of wisdom.

00:31:56.000 Everybody, let's give it up for these courageous doctors.

00:32:02.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.

00:32:03.000 Please email us your questions, freedom at charliekirk.com.

00:32:06.000 And if you want to support us, go to charliekirk.com slash support.

00:32:09.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.

00:32:11.000 God bless.

00:32:12.000 Speak to you, sir.

The Charlie Kirk Show - December 22, 2020

Vaccines, Hydroxychloroquine, and Lockdown Madness Explained by America's Frontline Doctors

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