Donald Trump Jr. and Steve Moore join me on The CharlieKirk Show to discuss the latest in the Ukraine crisis, the latest NBC News report on a possible rift between Trump and his son Donald Jr., and much more!
00:00:30.000His spirit, his love of this country, he's done an amazing job building one of the most powerful youth organizations ever created, Turning Point USA.
00:00:38.000We will not embrace the ideas that have destroyed countries, destroyed lives, and we are going to fight for freedom on campuses across the country.
00:01:19.000So, Don, I hope you could clear something up for me.
00:01:21.000There's this NBC news piece because I got to learn about my relationship with you and DJT via NBC News.
00:01:27.000NBC News is telling me publicly that somehow my relationship with you and Trump world is not good.
00:01:35.000Don, maybe you can walk me through this because NBC obviously knows us better than we know ourselves.
00:01:41.000Well, obviously, I mean, I've read this so many times, you know, all the leaks that end up being nonsense.
00:01:46.000I think we've all been a fly on the wall in those rooms, and then you see the reporting, and when none of it lines up, we shouldn't be surprised anymore.
00:01:53.000But yes, I was unaware that there was any rift between you and I, Charlie, whatsoever.
00:02:00.000And leave it to NBC News to try to divide us as we head into 2024.
00:02:05.000Despite me being repeatedly clear, I'm back in Trump, and we're going to win the White House back.
00:02:11.000Okay, Don, I want to get your thoughts on something.
00:02:14.000You know, you've had a contrarian opinion, and I totally agree with it, on Ukraine.
00:02:19.000It seems like the consensus in the Republican Party is to get us closer and closer to a war in Ukraine.
00:02:25.000How should we think about Ukraine and how should MAGA think about the war in Ukraine?
00:02:30.000Well, listen, I mean, Russia's clearly an aggressor, but they're also a nuclear power.
00:02:35.000You have two incredibly corrupt nations, and I think you have basically a large-scale money laundering operation going on there right now.
00:02:42.000We've sent $130 billion to be in a proxy war with a despot who's, you know, been embarrassed on a world stage, and that's Putin, in one of the great underperformances in the history of military actions.
00:03:00.000But as long as the military-industrial complex is getting rich, as long as we're creating an oligarch class in Ukraine with all the money and missiles and weapons and all the things that they have no systems to track, everyone at the top is getting rich.
00:03:19.000I mean, until we turn off the endless blank check, I don't think there's any incentive for anyone to ever come to the table.
00:03:27.000And, you know, again, more people are going to die.
00:03:30.000And we're going to create an oligarch class in Ukraine that's going to be rich off of your taxpayer dollars that we can't account for.
00:03:37.000It's absolute madness, and we got to stop the wars.
00:03:41.000It's interesting that the guy that was supposed to start World War III, Donald Trump, was the only guy advocating for peace for the last six years and is the only guy advocating to get people to the table right now.
00:03:53.000It just shows you how beholden the rest of the political class, even in the Republican Party, are to the war machine or to their donors who are getting rich off of the war machine.
00:04:05.000And Andy Biggs estimates we've sent over $200 billion.
00:04:09.000And of course, we can't get $2 billion to secure our southern border to stop the flow of drugs and guns and illegals into our country.
00:04:18.000And so, Don, I want to ask, though, because this is now shaping up to be a big issue in the 2024 campaign.
00:04:26.000You know, I believe that President Trump is going to decisively be able to win the nomination, but there very well might be some kind of annoying candidates that you're going to have to navigate through.
00:04:37.000And two of the other declared candidates, Tim Scott and Nikki Haley, and Nikki Haley in particular, they think that we should lean in on what's going on in Ukraine.
00:04:47.000Nikki Haley has been outspoken about this.
00:04:50.000Don, first, any initial thoughts on Tim Scott and Nikki Haley running for the presidency, and then also their foreign policy views contrasted with the success of Donald Trump.
00:05:00.000Yeah, no, listen, it's more of a neocon mindset, certainly with Nikki Haley, but Tim Scott largely as well.
00:05:07.000I mean, it's basically everything that Republicans revolted against in 2016.
00:05:13.000But, you know, because they see the donor class wanting a seat at the table again, they see the military-industrial complex ramping up.
00:05:21.000You know, that's their on-ramp for donations to fund this stuff.
00:05:25.000That neocon mentality, the endless wars that everyone in America, frankly, doesn't want to be in anymore.
00:05:32.000Even if you have a lot of people pro-Ukraine right now, the appetite of the American public is to not be in these endless wars.
00:05:39.000Their foreign policy is one of never-ending war.
00:05:42.000Their friends have done very well with those policies.
00:06:16.000And in some ways, it actually, I think, helps Trump to have some more of these voices that have completely opposite views on the core issues, especially when it comes to neoliberalism of open borders and trade and, of course, foreign policy.
00:06:31.000I think that this upcoming Republican primary is going to have a lot on foreign policy.
00:06:37.000And honestly, President Trump did not just start any new wars.
00:06:40.000He was able to defeat ISIS while doing it, holding Iran in check, all the while of negotiating peace in the Middle East with Israel and the United Arab Emirates.
00:06:51.000So, Don, I want to get your thoughts on the recent inflation report.
00:06:54.000Today, it came out that we have red-hot inflation.
00:06:59.000The exact numbers here, I'll say in just a second.
00:07:02.000But, Don, we've been told that it's just transitory.
00:07:05.000Your thoughts on this recent inflation report.
00:07:09.000Well, it's been transitory now for a year and a half, and it's going to continue to go up.
00:07:13.000They're not doing anything to stop it.
00:07:15.000All of the policies that they are espousing and implementing are only going to add to it.
00:07:22.000And if you asked any honest economist, not someone who's looking for favoritism on TV from MSDNC and CNN, they would tell you that.
00:07:31.000I mean, it's so obvious that all of these policies are designed to literally going to make it worse.
00:07:37.000Every American is getting a 10% tax cut.
00:07:41.000If you're talking about a real basket of goods, not the one that they manipulate, not the one where they change the definition to suit their current, again, DNC talking point agenda.
00:07:53.000The American people are getting crushed.
00:07:55.000These are the things that Donald Trump fought against.
00:09:00.000You add that to the American public who are getting crushed on the inflation side when their mortgages reset because in the last few years they bought homes at all-time low interest rates.
00:10:18.000He has the information of all the stuff they're not telling you about the crazy balloons and everything going on in Russia and what's a distraction, what's not a distraction, and more importantly, how we can hold the Republicans who now control the House to task to get the things they promised us done.
00:10:37.000Hopefully it explodes because I think people need to hear and take that's again not the conservative or sort of mainstream media talking points, but taking it to that next level where a lot of people are just not willing to do it because they're worried about the consequences.
00:10:52.000So having a lot of fun with it, and I think people will enjoy it.
00:10:55.000You're doing really, really great with everyone.
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00:12:22.000I think that the more voices that especially articulate neoliberalism certainly helps Donald Trump.
00:12:30.000And I do not have any personal strife or bone to pick with Tim Scott or Nikki Haley at all.
00:12:37.000Other people might have had unfavorable personal experiences with either of them.
00:12:41.000But as someone who's supporting Donald Trump in 2024, I could tell you that Donald Trump benefits from being able to be anti-establishment former president.
00:12:53.000To be able to be an anti-establishment former president is a very interesting, let's say, messaging opportunity.
00:13:03.000Now, remember, presidents have served non-consecutive terms before.
00:13:08.000Grover Cleveland most famously did that.
00:13:11.000Teddy Roosevelt tried to run for another term with the Bull Neose Party and actually ended up dividing the Republican Party in the 1912 election after William Howard Taft served from 1908 to 1912, which basically paved the way for an incredibly dangerous progressive president, Woodrow Wilson, former president of Princeton University, then governor of New Jersey, to become president with just a plurality, not a majority of votes.
00:13:37.000Obviously, the Electoral College matters.
00:13:38.000That doesn't, but it's interesting because Woodrow Wilson was a very, very radical president.
00:13:42.000So Nikki Haley is running, and Tim Scott is now running, and Mike Pompeo is likely going to run.
00:13:50.000And then Mike Pence is probably going to run.
00:13:53.000Look, there is a significant funding base in the Republican donor community that feels as if neoliberalism and aggressive foreign policy.
00:14:10.000This is strictly from a policy perspective.
00:14:12.000Trust me, a lot of these donors and funders, many of whom I get along great with and have been very generous to Turning Point USA, they also have significant personality complaints towards Donald Trump and other complaints.
00:14:25.000But there's also a philosophical difference where they feel as if neoliberalism is dying and needs to be reinvigorated.
00:14:34.000Remember, neoliberalism, if you ever want to explain it to your friends and sound very smart, it's three things.
00:14:40.000It is a loose immigration policy, it is loose trade policy, but aggressive foreign policy.
00:14:47.000The best way to describe neoliberalism is invade the world, invite the world, and import stuff the world makes and you do not make.
00:15:01.000Donald Trump, at his best, stands against neoliberalism and those three issues.
00:15:09.000Now, almost everybody running for the presidency is going to talk a good game on pro-life, on the Second Amendment.
00:15:14.000They're going to talk a good game on the trans thing.
00:15:16.000So you're going to see very little, very few differences there.
00:15:20.000The broad and distinct differences that you are going to see in the Republican 2024 primary are going to be between are going to be foreign policy, trade policy, and immigration policy.
00:15:33.000Now, everybody running for the presidency is going to say, well, look, we need to get rid of illegal immigration, but we need to bolster legal immigration.
00:15:41.000And that is the opportunity to be able to see if somebody is a true America first conservative or a neoliberal.
00:15:49.000I personally think we should retire the phrase neoconservative and just call them neoliberals.
00:15:54.000Now, just so that we're clear, there was a time where neoliberalism probably made sense.
00:16:01.000When America was the world reserve currency and we were balancing our budget in the 1990s, you could make a case for neoliberalism.
00:16:10.000Now, of course, we didn't just make a case for it.
00:16:30.000And so instead of crafting policy that was actually serving our best interest and using some neoliberal elements, we just went all in and it went nuts.
00:16:43.000If I remember the chart correctly, there was a massive spike in green card distributions in the 90s at some point.
00:16:49.000I'll look it up in the break or our team will.
00:16:51.000But now, I mean, this is one of the reasons why populist nationalism, citizen-centered government is on the rise and neoliberalism needs to be basically cast aside, is we are now suffering the damage of the excesses of neoliberalism.
00:17:10.000From trade policy to immigration policy to these foreign wars.
00:17:13.000And the more money we send to Ukraine, the more the southern border remains wide open, and the harder it is for our economy to get back to a position of strength.
00:17:23.000All of that philosophically and politically lays the foundation favorably for Donald Trump.
00:17:30.000Okay, I want to play Nikki Haley's announcement for the presidency.
00:17:49.000Joe Biden's record is abysmal, but that shouldn't come as a surprise.
00:17:53.000The Washington establishment has failed us over and over and over again.
00:17:59.000It's time for a new generation of leadership to rediscover fiscal responsibility, secure our border, and strengthen our country, our pride, and our purpose.
00:18:13.000Okay, I'd actually like to listen to the whole video so if you guys can get the second part of this.
00:18:17.000So let me just kind of give some feedback.
00:18:19.000We don't elect presidents based on the popular vote.
00:18:32.000That's not exactly an animating issue of voters.
00:18:35.000However, it's becoming one because of debt and deficit spending.
00:18:39.000More broadly and more generally, though, I do want to, you know, mention when it comes to Nikki Haley running for the presidency some insight.
00:18:49.000So I asked the audience, I asked you guys, what do you think?
00:18:51.000And very, very negative on Nikki Haley.
00:18:54.000So I was, I will say, though, and I made this prediction a couple weeks ago, do not underestimate her.
00:19:01.000She did have a good record generally as governor of South Carolina, certainly did some things that irritated me and irritated many of you.
00:19:08.000She's definitely going to try to carve out more of that establishment lane, but she's immensely popular with the donors of the Republican Party.
00:19:16.000And I don't say donors in a negative way.
00:20:02.000And I did my best to explain that there is a massive base disconnect between Nikki Haley and Republican-based voters and conservative-based voters.
00:20:11.000But Nikki Haley, what I gleaned from that, and it reinforces my theory that I articulated a couple weeks ago, which is Nikki Haley is going to raise a bunch of money.
00:20:21.000They're going to raise a ton of money.
00:20:22.000And whether or not that will translate into votes, we will see.
00:20:25.000However, the more money they raise, in some ways, it actually does help Donald Trump because Donald Trump's superpower in the Republican 2024 primary is going to be Trump versus the world, is that they tried to spy on me, they tried to indict me, they tried to take me out, and Peter Strzzk and Andy McCabe and James Comey and all this.
00:20:42.000And we need to reignite that kind of populist nationalist energy.
00:22:21.000But you're entitled to your own opinion, not your own facts.
00:22:24.000There is not a rational reason why in the last 30 years since the fall of the wall, why we should have escalating antagonistic relations with Russia.
00:22:36.000But they could be a partner in normalizing global relations and restricting the rise of the true menace, the Chinese Communist Party.
00:22:46.000That definitely opens an opportunity for Donald Trump to contrast that.
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00:24:35.000I thought we had made more progress in bringing inflation down.
00:24:38.000So I'll do a Maya Copa myself that I was surprised by these numbers.
00:24:43.000So we got a 0.5% increase in inflation, which on an annual basis is like 6.4% inflation at the very time that we thought we turned the corner on this.
00:24:54.000So by the way, they also revised upward the inflation numbers over the last three or four months, a little higher than were initially thought.
00:25:03.000That may explain, by the way, when I come on shows like yours and I say, you know, the inflation rate is 6.5% or 7%, people get angry at me.
00:25:21.000And now I feel people's pain because, you know, prior to the right before the Super Bowl, I went with my wife to, you know, stock up on everything from chicken wings to potato chips.
00:25:31.000And I couldn't believe what things cost.
00:26:37.000I want people to make more money, but we're not seeing that right now.
00:26:41.000What really worries me, my biggest worry right now, is that look at the debt that people, not just the national debt, which everyone knows is out of control under Biden, but more and more Americans are going into debt just to just keep maintaining their current living standard.
00:26:57.000You may have seen the report on Fox News the other day that more and more Americans are having to take money out of their 401k plans to pay bills.
00:27:13.000The other thing so many Americans are the other thing people have to do now, which is also a really bad idea, is they're running up their credit cards.
00:27:33.000And I just want, you said this last time, Steve, and I don't give financial advice, but I will say this: do not take money out of your 401k.
00:27:41.000That is the one piece of financial advice.
00:27:44.000The tax code is written for it to grow and to mature.
00:27:48.000You guys, I think, what is it, a 25% haircut, Steve, or plus income tax or 10% plus the income tax rate?
00:28:12.000If you look at the reports, Charles Schwab and these money managers, if you go into the 94th page of their earnings call, they say this quarter we had 117,000 people request distributions preemptively from their 401k before they're 59 and a half.
00:28:44.000I don't remember the exact numbers, so I can't say, but there are substantial penalties that you're going to pay.
00:28:49.000And you're, you know, and don't forget, we were the ones at the Committee on Unleashed Prosperity back six months ago that did that report that was you and I talked about.
00:28:57.000It was blasted all over the place that people lost about $35,000 in their 401k plans because the stock market was so bad last year and because of Biden inflation.
00:29:07.000So this is like a triple whammy that people are taking to their retirement accounts.
00:29:12.000So Steve, you know, I know that you probably get irritated with this question, but I think it's important.
00:29:18.000Can you try to forecast the next six months?
00:29:25.000And if I were to get, I mean, just, yeah, I was just in Palm Beach and, you know, was at one of the top clubs and was raising money for Turning Point.
00:29:33.000And the consensus amongst the ruling class is: look, things are going to get bad, but we're going to be fine.
00:29:38.000There wasn't a lot of anxiety or unease.
00:29:40.000Amongst middle-class retail investors, though, Steve, people are really worried.
00:31:31.000First of all, we need a path to a balanced budget.
00:31:34.000I know that makes people hyperventilate in Washington, but it has to happen.
00:31:39.000I don't know if it's got to be over four years, five years, eight years, but at some point, we have to get back to a balanced budget with a spending limitation measure.
00:31:48.000I would like to see hundreds and hundreds of billions of dollars of cuts immediately, Charlie.
00:31:56.000I mean, let's not forget, Biden spent out of the $4.2 trillion, but $3 trillion of that, not a single Republican ever voted for.
00:32:04.000So they should start rescinding that money.
00:32:09.000You see the report that came out just over the weekend.
00:32:12.000Over $100 billion was stolen from the PPP program.
00:32:17.000Over $75 billion has been stolen from the unemployment insurance program.
00:32:21.000Billions have been stolen from Medicaid and food stamps.
00:33:23.000And when the president sounds in a State of the Union speech like everything's honky-dory and the days of Wyan Roses, he's completely delusional and out of touch with middle-class Americans.
00:33:34.000And that's why I think you're seeing, you know, I see the same thing you see.
00:33:38.000People are becoming so discouraged and demoralized because nobody in Washington is doing anything about it.
00:33:45.000Steve, thank you for your clarity on this topic.
00:33:48.000If I were to say my prediction is I think we are going to see a tough summer.
00:33:53.000I think you're going to see rising prices.
00:33:56.000I do not see the economic, any sort of economic momentum.