00:00:04.000First about Michael Sussman, then about disinformation, talk a little bit about the breaking news from the Uvalde shooting.
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00:00:31.000Kind of on the Uvalde shooting, we got this email.
00:00:33.000Charlie, I have 30 years of police experience.
00:00:35.000About 15 years ago, active shooter response changed from waiting to make contact of a team of four, which rapidly changed what is going on even with two people, then to immediate contact.
00:00:45.000If there is an active shooter, without a doubt, an active shooter in a school, as you arrive, you take seconds to armor up if available, grab a long weapon if available, and move to the shooting and neutralize the threat.
00:00:54.000Accepted practice, no excuse for this travesty.
00:00:57.000It's well said from one of our listeners, Scott, and it confirms our other episode that I think you should check out.
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00:02:06.000The conservative base has been hungry for justice for years for good reason because they have seen James O'Keefe's apartment raided, Rudy Giuliani's apartment raided, the targeting of Michael Flynn, the spying of Donald Trump, and almost not even a slap on the wrist for the people that have done much worse, but even worse, the people that were responsible for the abuse of power.
00:02:29.000And finally, we're starting to see some momentum towards the conclusion of justice.
00:02:35.000Aristotle agreed, justice can be the messiest of all the virtues, but it is necessary.
00:02:39.000A friend of the show who has been monitoring the Michael Sussman trial and does a great job is Kash Patel.
00:02:48.000And Kash Patel knows a lot of things happening out there that are below the surface.
00:02:53.000If you know what I mean, you know what I mean.
00:03:21.000So the government and the defense have rested their cases.
00:03:24.000That means they're done presenting evidence.
00:03:26.000So tomorrow, the trial attorneys for John Durham and the attorneys for the defense will give their closing arguments to the jury.
00:03:36.000And the case is very simple in terms of evidence that actually is going to be used to convict Michael Sussman.
00:03:42.000One, the deposition transcript of my interrogation of Michael Sussman from 2018, which the whole world can see on DurhamWatch.com, where he said to me under oath, I, Michael Sussman, am doing all this work, Alphabank stuff, for the client, the client being Hillary Clinton.
00:03:58.000Michael Sussman is now charged by John Durham with lying to the FBI because he went to the Alpha with this Alphabank nonsense.
00:04:05.000And this is what the evidence came out of trial and told the FBI, I'm here as quote, a good Samaritan, not for anyone.
00:04:10.000The problem is you have the deposition, the testimony from the FBI, which, you know, they're dirty cops over there, so they're not that helpful.
00:04:17.000But you have Michael Sussman's own text message entered into evidence the night before he went to the FBI, where he texted the head of the FBI's lawyer department and said, I'm coming to you as a good Samaritan.
00:04:29.000So did he lie to Congress or did he lie to the FBI?
00:04:32.000They're both illegal, but he's charged with lying to the FBI.
00:04:34.000And the kicker, the nice one, is the thumb drive that they loaded the Alphabank fantasy on, paid for by the Hillary Clinton campaign, was bought by Michael Sussman in Washington, D.C. and paid for by the Hillary Clinton campaign.
00:04:49.000They actually entered a receipt and billing record into evidence.
00:04:52.000So he's going to draw in on jury nullification and it's going to be tough.
00:04:57.000What does that mean, the jury nullification?
00:04:59.000That's a lot of legalese for our audience.
00:05:41.000We know we're screwed with the evidence and the facts, but please let my client off.
00:05:46.000He was trying to save the world because he worked against Donald Trump.
00:05:49.000And that's illegal, but they can argue creatively around that.
00:05:54.000So the answer for me is, why did Robbie Mook say that he would never go to the FBI?
00:06:00.000Can you add some insight into that kind of breaking news clip where he said, well, yeah, of course Hillary signed off on sending this to the media.
00:06:08.000I refuse to believe that was a slip of the tongue.
00:06:12.000Do you think it was coordinated in rehearsed or do you think it was a rare moment of honesty that might require Robbie Mook to have full-time security?
00:06:20.000I think it's the latter because here's what happened in the case.
00:06:23.000First, the government goes, then the defense goes.
00:06:26.000But because Robbie Mook was going on a vacation to Spain, if you can believe it, the defense asked to interject in the government's presentation of their case and say, we have a witness we have to present right away.
00:06:47.000But this judge allowed it and gave the prosecution the biggest missile in that statement when he said Hillary, not only was she in on it, she knew it.
00:06:55.000And she authorized us to go to the media and leak this information that we paid for.
00:06:59.000It is a moment of truth from Robbie Mook, who knows he's also under John Durham's investigation and that he could be prosecuted later.
00:07:07.000So when you tell people they're on the verge of going to jail, or maybe so, it's a funny way of bringing out the truth.
00:07:14.000So you're of the opinion that that wasn't previously coordinated between Mook's attorney and Hillary's attorney.
00:07:20.000Therefore, Cash, and you've been really consistent on this.
00:07:22.000You don't think this is going to go all the way up to Hillary, maybe Andy McCabe.
00:07:25.000But is what Robbie Mook revealed in court, does that put Hillary in potential legal jeopardy now?
00:07:32.000Potential, but where I see it going is she will be just destroyed in the Durham Report, which isn't the accountability America wants, but it'll be a nice tale that we can tell our grandkids.
00:07:43.000But where the accountability will go for indictments, as I've said, is the Andy McCabe, Peter Strzok.
00:07:48.000I think a couple of FBI guys are going down.
00:08:55.000After that, we have to remind the audience, he already has another indictment in place and a trial set for this fall of the source to Christopher Steele.
00:09:02.000And he also has a, he has a multiple count indictment for lying to the FBI a ton of times and for making up all that Christopher Steele information.
00:09:09.000So he's got that in the pipeline public already.
00:09:11.000What I think is next is the joint venture conspiracy, as John Durham has called it in the federal pleadings in the Sussman and Danchenko case, that he has multiple other targets.
00:09:22.000And he has said Rodney Jaffe, the tech executive that was paid millions of dollars to drum up this false alphabet narrative while they were also drumming up their steel stuff.
00:09:32.000He has said publicly, gee John Durham, then Rodney Jaffe is a target of my ongoing investigation.
00:09:37.000He has also said in his pleading, these other people in the joint venture conspiracy, all that is is legalese for a bunch of people have to get together to do this.
00:09:46.000The FBI, the Clinton campaign, Fusion GPS, and these guys like Rodney Jaffe and the Jake Sullivans of the world.
00:09:52.000They're all mentioned by title in these pleadings, and they're all under his investigation.
00:09:56.000So that's why I think he's going to get a couple of FBI agents and he should get Andy McCabe, who orchestrated this entire thing, and Peter Strzok, hopefully as well, along with Fusion GPS and this tech guy, Rodney Jaffe.
00:10:08.000And if he does all that, that's pretty good work in the environment we're sitting in right now.
00:10:13.000And the most shocking thing I learned during this trial is what we just talked about, Robbie Mook.
00:10:18.000I can't believe he just throttled his former boss.
00:10:22.000And like you said, he may need to be going on an extended vacation with the security detail for a while.
00:10:28.000Robbie Mook should stay away from balconies and high buildings, train platforms and subway stations.
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00:12:25.000You call him the Christopher Steele of all of this.
00:12:28.000Can you build that out a little bit more for us?
00:12:30.000Yeah, as we all know, Christopher Steele perpetuated, perpetrated the Russia hoax at the beginning of the Clinton campaign by coming up with all this Russian garbage dirt on people in Trump's universe that was totally fake and used by the FBI to launch an investigation into President Trump.
00:12:45.000Now, this was orchestrated by the Hillary campaign, and that one line of effort wasn't enough.
00:12:50.000Of course, they, the dirty Democrats working for her, had another evil plan.
00:12:54.000In parallel effort, they hired this guy, Rodney Jaffe.
00:12:58.000And what he did was he went out and basically cobbled together a team who made up information that would show a connection between Trump Tower in New York City and Russia through this Alpha Bank company.
00:13:46.000I'm sorry to interrupt, but what you just said was so profound that Hillary had two parallel campaigns going on to try and find fake dirt on Donald Trump.
00:14:15.000Two, the lawyers went out for Hillary and said, not only are we going to do that one, we are going to do the computer tech savvy route in case this one falls apart.
00:14:26.000We're going to go have technical information made up.
00:14:28.000We're going to use our DC contacts like Michael Sussman.
00:14:31.000We're going to pay him to go out and hire a crack crew and put together a totally false media computer narrative on the technical side so the FBI can launch a counterintelligence investigation into then candidate Trump.
00:14:45.000And that's what they did on two avenues.
00:14:46.000And they spent over $50 million of campaign funds on both those efforts, which is also illegal.
00:14:53.000No, no, I just, I mean, it's totally illegal, right?
00:14:57.000And so, but I just want to reinforce this.
00:15:00.000They're in the midst of a heated campaign where the margins are thin in Michigan, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, and they're deploying their resources towards this.
00:15:09.000It does make you think: has this been kind of a standard operating procedure amongst Democrats to do this for many years prior?
00:15:19.000You know, maybe, but to do it at this level, to be this sophisticated, to have buried it and covered it up and have the media carry your water for you.
00:15:28.000You know, it does, you know, you have to sort of tip your hat to their criminality because they are the best syndicate in the world.
00:15:34.000And they literally never thought they were getting caught because she was supposed to be president.
00:15:38.000And now we're so many years down the road.
00:15:39.000So I don't know if other Dems do this.
00:15:41.000Maybe they try, but no one has pulled it off like the Clinton crime cartel.
00:15:47.000Now, there's no evidence to support this.
00:15:49.000I am not a fan of James Comey at all, but you might wonder that when he kind of did his press conference that hurt Hillary, he might have been so upset that Hillary was trying to influence the Bureau through her campaign.
00:16:01.000I'm just saying, maybe there was something where it's like, I don't like Trump, but I'm going to put you in your place.
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00:17:51.000Every day I start going through a couple websites, Breitbart being one of them, and also Revolver.news is like a go-to destination for me to kind of figure out what is the real news out there.
00:18:02.000It's kind of what Drudge used to be and kind of how it was way back when.
00:18:09.000But the difference is that they actually do phenomenal investigative work, revolver.news.
00:18:15.000And with us is the mastermind behind that, Darren Beattie.
00:18:19.000He does a great job, and he's been in the weeds on several very, very important stories recently, especially when it comes around disinformation and it comes around all of these very important topics.
00:18:33.000So with us right now is Darren Beattie from Revolver.news.
00:18:36.000Darren, welcome back to the Charlie Kirk Show.
00:18:42.000So Darren, let's go through a couple of these stories you have here.
00:18:45.000Busted, Biden's minister of truth, Nina Jankowicz, who thankfully is no longer in a position of power, participated in secret NATO-funded cabal to subvert Western democracies using disinformation as a cover.
00:19:00.000Well, this is one of the biggest stories we've ever run.
00:19:03.000And what's important about this is there's so much information in here, and it's such an explosive story.
00:19:09.000And it's so essential to understanding the very basic architecture of this vast ecology I call the disinformation industry that's been arrayed against us.
00:19:22.000Disinformation industry, make no mistake.
00:19:25.000This is the information warfare component of the broader domestic war on terror that's perpetrated against us, anyone who dares to question the regime and perpetrated against us by our national security apparatus.
00:19:43.000The big plus was that there was a natural interest in this story because it involved Nina Djankovich, who was probably one of the most comical public figures in American life in a long time, certainly in the political arena.
00:19:58.000And that's saying a lot, especially given some of the interesting people Biden has chosen to elevate.
00:20:04.000And she came out, you know, the videos came out of her previous career as a Harry Potter wizard rock sorceress.
00:20:14.000She was in a band that specialized in, I'm not making this up, that specialized in eroticized versions, eroticized interpretations of Harry Potter themes.
00:20:27.000And frankly, she should have stuck to that passion because she did far less damage in that arena than in the arena that she moved into.
00:20:35.000And that was the disinformation arena.
00:20:37.000And in case someone's been living under a rock, she was appointed head of what we've dubbed, our circles have dubbed the Ministry of Truth, what Biden's Department of Homeland Security called the Disinformation Governance Board.
00:20:53.000And she was the head disinformation sorcerer who was meant to zap away anyone who dared raise an objection to the Biden regime.
00:21:03.000They must be engaging in disinformation.
00:21:42.000Well, a couple of years ago, there were documents released pertaining to a shadowy group out of the UK called the Integrity Initiative.
00:21:52.000The Integrity Initiative described itself as a network of networks, of clusters, of people that they recruited, friendlies that they recruited that consist of academics, journalists, think tank professionals, national security bureaucrats.
00:22:08.000And they established clusters throughout Europe, in the United States, and beyond.
00:22:15.000And what would they do with these clusters?
00:22:17.000So we go through many explosive examples in the piece, but just to give you a little taste of it.
00:22:22.000So there was a situation in Spain, which these leaked documents bragged about, where there was going to be a minister appointed to a high-level defense position.
00:22:31.000And of course, the Integrity Initiative, which is all over Russia, of course, which is the favorite pretext to intervene in Western democracies.
00:22:40.000They said, this guy, we don't like him, probably for other reasons, but we're going to say he's a little bit too pro-Kremlin.
00:22:46.000So we're going to engage the clusters that we have.
00:22:50.000And what they did was they coordinated on WhatsApp and other venues to engage in secret influence level campaigns on Twitter in order to tar and smear this guy, which they did successfully in the matter of a week in which the appointment was totally killed and a new person who was more favorable to this organization got put in place.
00:23:14.000Now, a secret influence operation would be juicy enough, but the fact is that this integrity initiative was funded by NATO.
00:23:23.000It was funded by the UK government, the Foreign Commonwealth Office, which oversaw the British equivalent of the NSA and the British equivalent of the CIA at the time.
00:23:38.000And of course, it was funded by the US State Department.
00:23:44.000We have, for one, a NATO-funded cutout organization engaging in secretive influence operations to meddle in a NATO democracy, namely Spain.
00:24:16.000And also, by the way, you know, we were the last time we got together, Charlie, we talked about Elon Musk and Twitter, which was a great episode.
00:24:27.000People loved it, which I'm very gratified for because it's very important information.
00:24:31.000One of the things we talked about was how Twitter is not an ordinary company.
00:24:36.000Twitter is a playground for Intel-led influence operation.
00:24:41.000And this is a concrete example of precisely what the value is for Twitter to our national security establishment.
00:24:49.000This is not the only influence operation our national security establishment has been involved in by virtue of its cutout groups and NGOs and so forth.
00:24:59.000And so where does Nina Yankovich come into this?
00:25:02.000Well, her name came up as part of the leaks as a member of the UK inner cluster.
00:25:09.000So this was years ago where Nina Yankovich's names came in and she was a nothing at the time.
00:25:14.000She was an undiscovered Harry Potter wizard sorceress.
00:25:21.000She hadn't been put into the big castle by Biden yet.
00:25:25.000She was just a low-level disinformation operative, but she was part of the club and some other names that came up just to give people a flavor of what this network is like and how these people don't fail.
00:25:37.000They don't get canceled even after they're exposed.
00:25:41.000Another name that came up in this leak was Ben Nimmo.
00:25:45.000At the time, Ben Nimmo was a major player involved in the DFR lab, which is the Atlantic Council's version of the disinformation censorship organization, the Atlantic Council, of course, just like the Integrity Initiative, also funded by NATO, also funded by the UK government, also funded by the U.S. State Department.
00:26:47.000Todd Leventhal, who was at the time the head of the State Department's Global Engagement Center, which is like the propaganda foreign propaganda unit of the State Department.
00:26:57.000And so there's an element of this that really seizes on the public's attention and imagination.
00:27:03.000That is the ridiculousness of Nina Yankovich.
00:27:06.000But the real story here that's kind of easy to get lost in because it's complicated.
00:27:29.000But typically these operate as clusters of non-governmental organizations.
00:27:35.000There are now organizations run out of universities, which gets to the next story if we have time on Renee DeResta, someone who is like Nina Yankovich, a disinformation operative who wrote a lot of attack pieces on Elon Musk, who would dare to impose free speech on Twitter.
00:27:53.000Well, it turns out that Rene, disinformation operative du jour, Renee used to work for a company called New Knowledge.
00:28:05.000Well, they build themselves as a group that we understand Russian disinformation campaigns.
00:28:11.000We're going to uncover these campaigns.
00:28:13.000We're going to protect the American people from Russian influence operations.
00:28:17.000And they harped on this stupid internet research agency that had Mueller chasing his tails for years when it really amounted to nothing on Facebook.
00:28:26.000Well, it turns out that New Knowledge was caught red-handed by the New York Times, no less, as having engaged in a secretive influence campaign to meddle in the Alabama special Senate election with Roy Moore and Doug Jones.
00:28:42.000And guess what their influence operation was?
00:28:44.000It was setting up fake Russian accounts that would support the candidate they didn't like.
00:29:26.000She was too clownish, even for the people in charge, which is saying a lot.
00:29:30.000But look, there's so much at stake here.
00:29:33.000The disinformation industry represents a reconfiguration of our entire national security apparatus in order to control the information flows in the internet age.
00:29:44.000There's too much at stake for them to abandon it.
00:29:47.000If you want the blueprint of what this structure looks like, go to revolver.news, read the piece on the integrity initiative, and read the follow-up piece on Renee DeResta and the new knowledge secret influence operation.
00:30:00.000That'll give you a taste of what we're up against.
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00:31:09.000Darren, we're going to switch gears a little bit just because we have some breaking news happening and this impacts the narrative and actually has been a lot of misinformation.
00:31:17.000I don't want to go disinformation around this story.
00:31:20.000And so what's happened in Uvalde is dramatically different than what we originally told.
00:31:25.000What we are now learning is that the gunmen walked through an open door unlocked to kill indiscriminately.
00:31:31.000There was not even an armed officer to begin with.
00:31:37.000To kind of speaking of disinformation, it seems like there was just blatant lies being told about this.
00:31:43.000According to all reports, it seems that police officers stood by and did nothing for 40 minutes to an hour while pepper spraying and really going after parents who are trying to go and intervene and save their children.
00:32:02.000Well, it's obviously outrageous and it's a tragedy for all of the victims involved.
00:32:08.000And it really goes to show that, you know, everything that's filtered through a political lens, unfortunately, all of these mass shootings are just too significant politically for the American people to be able to access the truth.
00:32:21.000Certainly right off the bat in the initial phases of the news cycle, it's all about how the regime is going to exploit this to its advantage, or if there are unfavorable details, how the regime is going to suppress those and massage it such that the ultimate narrative that comes out is favorable to them.
00:32:40.000And if that's not possible, to just shut the story down completely.
00:32:45.000And so what we're seeing here is like indications of something very troubling that the people whose job it is to protect these children didn't do their job.
00:32:56.000And, you know, I think we need to kind of develop the courage in order to ask the questions: well, why didn't they do that?
00:33:03.000Is there something about the selection effects now and how cops have been demonized for so long that maybe the people who are upstanding and courageous and willing to do something, maybe those people aren't as interested in joining that profession anymore?
00:33:19.000Maybe there's just a general decline in human capital that applies to the police forces generally.
00:33:26.000You know, it looks like this is going to be an issue that requires some sober analysis in its own right: how do we get to the point where police officers could drop the ball in such a dramatic and tragic fashion as this?
00:33:44.000Yeah, and the amount of initial disinformation from the beginning or misinformation from the beginning is just beyond striking.
00:33:53.000So in closing here, Darren, I want to go back to something you said previously around Elon Musk.
00:33:58.000What do you think are the chances of him actually finishing this Twitter purchase?
00:34:03.000There's a lot of back and forth, lawsuits, investigations.
00:34:07.000Are you a believer that this purchase is going to go through?
00:34:15.000If believer means I think it's greater than 50% chance, then I'm not a believer.
00:34:20.000But I'm still a believer that this is probably one of the most important kind of live issues going on with a real live player that actually amounts to something of significance.
00:34:31.000But, you know, even if it doesn't work out, we have to credit Elon for really kind of exposing a huge part of the system in the same way that in the same way that Trump did.
00:34:41.000But it's also a little bit demoralizing to see if like if anyone's in a position to array himself against this system at this point, it's someone like Elon Musk, who has sort of the cultural cachet of Joe Rogan and others.
00:35:02.000He's got more money than you can imagine, more money than Trump, although his net worth has depleted significantly since he dared to speak up against the system.
00:35:12.000And so what we might see is like, you know, it's no wonder that so many, unfortunately, so many very high net worth people are just incredibly risk averse because it turns out that no matter how many billions you have, it doesn't translate into real power.
00:35:29.000And the fact is that these people need to stay in their lane and learn their place or they get crushed like anybody else.
00:35:36.000And so Elon should be thankful that he played the game up to the point that he did.
00:36:01.000I still think there's a real chance that he succeeds, but he might not have even understood, as smart as he is, he might not have understood the hornet's nest that he was rocking by daring to demand that Twitter have free speech.