The Charlie Kirk Show - August 05, 2026


What Happened in Michigan?


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00:01:24.000 All right, welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show.
00:01:27.000 It's August 5th.
00:01:29.000 It would be a Wednesday, which means last night we had the Michigan primary, and everybody was watching for the hotly contested Democrat side of the ledger.
00:01:38.000 Mike Rogers was uncontested on the Republican side, but it looks like it was a lot closer than we anticipated.
00:01:46.000 But Abdul El Sayed did, I believe, pull it off, barring any surprises, but that's the race that's been called by the New York Times and others.
00:01:54.000 He won 48.48% to 47.51%, a difference really of about, I mean, it's razor thin.
00:02:03.000 I mean, it's.
00:02:03.000 What is that?
00:02:04.000 14,000, 15,000 votes separating them.
00:02:08.000 The polling had this thing at like maybe 10, right?
00:02:11.000 It was going to be a 10 point win.
00:02:12.000 15 points.
00:02:13.000 Maybe 15.
00:02:14.000 And so, because there were so much irregularities, I wanted to bring on an actual pollster right at the jump here, Mark Mitchell.
00:02:21.000 He's the head pollster at the Honest Polling Company.
00:02:24.000 Mark, good to have you back, my friend.
00:02:27.000 There's so many irregularities here.
00:02:29.000 And I want to get into this Trump tweet because you and me talked before the show.
00:02:34.000 I think I misinterpreted it.
00:02:36.000 But directionally, we're kind of getting to the same thing, but maybe a slightly different conclusion here.
00:02:43.000 I'm going to read it and then I'm going to have you react to it.
00:02:47.000 So, Wayne County, Detroit in Michigan is one of the most corrupt voting areas in the United States, if not the world.
00:02:54.000 It is strictly third world.
00:02:55.000 No arguments yet, right, Mark?
00:02:57.000 We're all in agreement with the boss here about all that.
00:02:59.000 Yeah, miracles happen in Wayne County, including more votes being cast than there are voters by a lot.
00:03:06.000 Therefore, The communist, who is not liked in Detroit, is potentially in vote counter trouble.
00:03:11.000 The radical left socialist has a real shot, and don't discount all of those fake mail and ballots that will surprisingly show up at the last moment.
00:03:19.000 Get ready for another rigged election in November.
00:03:21.000 We must vote for Mike Rogers and make Michigan too big to rig.
00:03:25.000 So I interpreted this as there was funniness afoot in Michigan.
00:03:32.000 The establishment Dems came out. 0.66
00:03:34.000 They did not want Abdul El Sayed to win, they wanted Haley Stevens to win, and they tried to rig it.
00:03:41.000 And they tried to rig it in some weird ways because some of this stuff just doesn't make any sense, Mark.
00:03:46.000 And I'm not sure what the president means then, but you tell me what you think he means and why he's got it a little bit wrong here.
00:03:52.000 Well, so we got to break down.
00:03:55.000 We'll go with the end first.
00:03:56.000 He says, vote Mike Rogers.
00:03:58.000 Okay, good there.
00:04:00.000 Vote for the Republican. 0.98
00:04:02.000 The Democrats shouldn't win in Michigan.
00:04:04.000 But he's tweeting because he's upset with the response of what happened last night.
00:04:08.000 Well, what's he upset about?
00:04:10.000 Syed won.
00:04:11.000 And it seems like he would have preferred Stevens to win.
00:04:15.000 Which is why he's objecting to what happens with the electioneering, right?
00:04:20.000 And that's wild and totally incongruous because, like what you said, the polling overwhelmingly said that Syed was going to win.
00:04:29.000 The prediction markets both had him at like 99 to one.
00:04:32.000 The fact that it was a one point race is actually kind of nuts.
00:04:36.000 So it would be one of the biggest polling like misses of the industry that I can recall off the top of my head.
00:04:42.000 And this isn't like New Jersey where, you know, hey, it's a special election and it's just after the 20th.
00:04:48.000 And there weren't that many people that pulled it.
00:04:51.000 And so, of course, we were surprised.
00:04:52.000 No, this is like a lot of people were interested in this race and good pollsters.
00:04:57.000 You guys said 15%.
00:04:58.000 Emerson is a good pollster.
00:05:00.000 And, you know, they miss sometimes.
00:05:02.000 It's hard.
00:05:02.000 It's getting harder and harder with all of this money, with all of the electioneering, with the machine problems that we haven't fixed, with the increase in mail in ballots.
00:05:10.000 And so I look at that race and I say, well, what do we know so far?
00:05:14.000 There was huge turnout.
00:05:16.000 There was a really big mail in turnout.
00:05:18.000 And Syed massively underperformed the polling.
00:05:22.000 And so what I'm looking at then is why did Syed underperform the polling?
00:05:27.000 Well, he was outcompeted.
00:05:31.000 Stevens had a ton of money.
00:05:32.000 They were probably doing the things that Democrats do in Democrat states to get their establishment candidate to win because she is the establishment candidate, which was probably handing out packs of cigarettes in the inner city and driving mail in ballots around to like nursing homes,
00:05:48.000 like all the things that we know about happen.
00:05:51.000 I think that's what happened.
00:05:52.000 And so, I mean, Trump's upset that the establishment Democrat won because now you're going to have a DSA candidate versus, let's be real, the establishment Republican.
00:06:03.000 And that will be really the first time we see a race like that in a statewide race in a purple state.
00:06:09.000 So I think the 26th race for Michigan Senate all of a sudden got really interesting.
00:06:14.000 Yeah.
00:06:14.000 And I mean, this is what's interesting.
00:06:16.000 So you talk about electioneering.
00:06:17.000 We know the Democrats do this stuff.
00:06:19.000 We know they play games.
00:06:21.000 They pack, you know, these mail ins and these, all of this stuff.
00:06:25.000 So he lost early city vote by 50 points.
00:06:29.000 Like that doesn't make any sense.
00:06:31.000 Usually the more progressive candidate wins it.
00:06:33.000 This tells me that establishment Dems, especially in some of these black urban cores, They didn't like El Sayed and they were working against him, doing all the shenanigans that we are now so accustomed to.
00:06:43.000 Mark, am I wrong here?
00:06:45.000 No, you're 100% right.
00:06:47.000 And again, like there's an aspect of this that we'll just never know.
00:06:50.000 But looking, for instance, at the Emerson crosstabs, and polling's not perfect, and the subsample, excuse my dog, for black voters is probably small and has a big margin of error.
00:07:03.000 But their poll had Stevens winning by 40 among black voters.
00:07:07.000 And then you look at inner city Dem, uh, You know, districts in Detroit, and it's like, okay, they're coming in 50, they're coming in higher than that in some places.
00:07:15.000 Probably you have Clyburn that was shilling for the establishment candidate, probably out there, like knows how some of these electioneering rackets work.
00:07:24.000 I'm not accusing anybody of anything.
00:07:26.000 Um, so I think it's pretty clear, like, what probably happened, and we're seeing these kinds of things in other races too, where a lot of money gets poured in to help shore up an establishment candidate or ensure that they.
00:07:41.000 Win.
00:07:42.000 Yeah. 0.69
00:07:42.000 And again, like, you know, Syed's crazy. 0.69
00:07:45.000 Like, yes, we should not defund the police, right? 0.99
00:07:47.000 Like, obviously, he's crazy.
00:07:50.000 But the problem that the Republicans have to wrestle with is that he's going to moderate and he's not going to run on that stuff. 0.61
00:07:55.000 And he's going to run like Mamdani, which is just like, hey, let me give you a big economic hug. 0.90
00:08:00.000 I'm here to help save you and fix things. 0.88
00:08:02.000 And it's bad for the youth.
00:08:03.000 That's going to appeal to people.
00:08:05.000 Well, I want to ask a speculative question, Mark, which is there was also, there weren't super competitive Republican races.
00:08:11.000 So their turnout was lower, but they had a primary for, District 8, that's the Flint area.
00:08:18.000 And there was a candidate who dropped out, had stopped campaigning, Thomas Smith, and he actually defeated pretty easily, like 17 points here, Amir Hassan, who was the endorsed candidate by President Trump.
00:08:31.000 And so I guess it's worth asking do you think this is some sort of name factor where people are getting spooked by these more Islamic sounding names?
00:08:41.000 And could that end up playing a role in the general election where we have Mike Rogers, super generic?
00:08:46.000 You know, English sounding name versus Abdul El Said.
00:08:51.000 So I'm going to try and provide what I think are like the core, you know, logic that applies to all these races when we look at them is that you have your firm straight ticket Republican base voter and you have your firm straight ticket Republican Democrat voter. 0.59
00:09:10.000 They're kind of two different people.
00:09:11.000 The Democrat just wants to win, they don't really care so much about the candidate.
00:09:15.000 The Republican would like to see the Republican do something.
00:09:19.000 And because of that, and because traditionally Republicans don't do as much, there are less of those people.
00:09:25.000 There are less of the core.
00:09:27.000 We know this.
00:09:28.000 Like we saw this nationwide electorally.
00:09:31.000 But what there are is this surge volume of people who are a lot more malleable and less ideological. 0.76
00:09:38.000 And they don't care about things as much like the Muslims. 0.95
00:09:41.000 That's going to turn them off. 1.00
00:09:42.000 So if you're going with those people, you have to have a strategy.
00:09:45.000 All right, Mark, I want to get into two things now.
00:09:48.000 And that is the C SPAN caller.
00:09:52.000 This clip is just.
00:09:53.000 Gold, and I have to play it because I think there's lessons for the Republican side on this as well.
00:09:58.000 And then I want to talk about how brutal this primary was.
00:10:01.000 And you already got Hassan Piker saying, We're not going to mend fences.
00:10:04.000 These guys were calling him a terrorist and all this stuff.
00:10:06.000 So there's, I think, some opportunity to exploit that.
00:10:09.000 Let's go ahead and start with this.
00:10:10.000 Sad 11.
00:10:11.000 This is C SPAN call.
00:10:12.000 He's 19 years old.
00:10:14.000 It's a caller named Brooks.
00:10:15.000 Play 11.
00:10:16.000 Brooks, did you vote today?
00:10:18.000 Yes, I voted today.
00:10:19.000 I voted for Abdul Al Said.
00:10:22.000 I like a lot of his policies, Medicare for all.
00:10:24.000 But what really convinced me is.
00:10:27.000 I've seen Haley Stevens talk far more passionately about her support for Israel than anything she has for Michigan.
00:10:34.000 So I feel voting for her would leave blood on my hands, and I can't do that.
00:10:41.000 And how old are you, Brooks?
00:10:43.000 I'm 19.
00:10:44.000 You're 19.
00:10:44.000 I lose my first election.
00:10:46.000 Very excited to vote for Abdullah Al Said.
00:10:49.000 So I guess the question is, Mark, and I know that you and Rich and some others have basically been saying, hey, this APAC money.
00:10:57.000 Has become toxic, whether it's right or wrong, whether it's justified or not.
00:11:02.000 You know, a lot of people think of it as lobbying for a foreign country. 0.53
00:11:05.000 We have to correct the record that these are Jewish Americans, right?
00:11:09.000 But they are interested in Israel.
00:11:11.000 So maybe it's a distinction without a difference on some levels.
00:11:13.000 But how prevalent is this when you're polling, especially Gen Z, anybody under 40 or maybe even 50?
00:11:22.000 And how much does this bleed into how Mike Rogers should message on this topic?
00:11:27.000 Well, that's a lot to answer.
00:11:30.000 First off, you're not going to see people put foreign policy very high on their list of interests when they go to vote.
00:11:36.000 It's just not.
00:11:37.000 It's like sixth, seventh, or eighth whenever you stack rank these things.
00:11:40.000 But Israel is an issue.
00:11:42.000 And I would really bring up two issues capitalism versus socialism and Israel.
00:11:47.000 And the reason that these young people are going towards candidates like this is because they think that older people are too focused on Israel and they think that people aren't focused on their economic livelihoods.
00:12:00.000 And that's the big one.
00:12:01.000 So Overwhelmingly, the economy is the number one issue.
00:12:04.000 The young voters, I could just rattle off a ton of polling about how they think the entire system is cooked against them.
00:12:10.000 And what's really wild is that most under 40 voters, including Trump voters, people that voted for Trump, overwhelmingly support things that sound really socialist, like nationalizing industries or confiscating excess wealth.
00:12:22.000 These are people who call themselves conservatives.
00:12:25.000 I think it was over 50% of under 40 Trump voters in one of our polls said that they would actually vote for a socialist candidate.
00:12:32.000 So the problem is.
00:12:33.000 An optics and messaging problem for the right.
00:12:36.000 Okay.
00:12:37.000 And things, in my opinion, that aren't going to work are putting Israel first or accusing other people of being a socialist.
00:12:44.000 Young people don't really aren't scared by that.
00:12:47.000 And even I don't think the xenophobia stuff, like we talked about before the break, is going to be very effective because I think these people want to be put first and are expecting authenticity and, quite frankly, the maturity to get into government and sort of like deliver on what you promised.
00:13:01.000 And what that needs to be, if you want to capture the under, really, it's the under 50 voter now, in my opinion, is national economic populism.
00:13:10.000 And I said this message to Trump last fall, and I wish there had been more listening, and maybe now it's too late.
00:13:18.000 I don't know.
00:13:19.000 But what you need to give these people is something to vote for, a reason that Republicans long term will fix the problems that are structurally affecting young people in America.
00:13:31.000 And that means providing some kind of meaningful alternative to socialism.
00:13:35.000 And it ain't just more of the same.
00:13:36.000 Like granddaddy's capitalism is not going to win.
00:13:39.000 It might win for a little longer as long as you keep dumping advertising into the boomer linear television slots.
00:13:46.000 But there's going to be a tipping point, and the young people aren't going to be fighting the same right left battle.
00:13:51.000 That the older, more ideological generations are.
00:13:54.000 It's going to be over putting themselves first and getting what they want.
00:13:58.000 And unfortunately for Israel, they've made themselves a pretty big whipping boy over this. 0.73
00:14:02.000 And I tried to say this was going to be a problem.
00:14:06.000 And my advice for Trump wasn't like, don't do the Iran strike.
00:14:10.000 It's make sure that you show people that you're still putting their economic situation first, despite whatever else you do.
00:14:17.000 And they would let him get away with whatever.
00:14:18.000 I mean, nobody really cared about Venezuela.
00:14:20.000 We were in and out, and we were still focused on the economy and the domestic policy agenda.
00:14:25.000 Yeah, and listen, I think this, what everything you're saying, I basically, you know, I think there's really well articulated there.
00:14:33.000 And none of this should be interpreted as anti Israel or anti Semitic.
00:14:38.000 No, I think we, you know, it bears repeating. 1.00
00:14:41.000 We think that stuff is brain rot and it's garbage from the pit of hell. 0.95
00:14:44.000 But when we're talking about pure politics, it's important to understand what young people are hearing, how they're interpreting it, and what they're voting on. 0.96
00:14:51.000 And your message here, I totally agree, is economy, economy, economy.
00:14:57.000 What are my felt realities?
00:14:59.000 And we could tell people they have to cook their own burritos and they need to cook from home all they want.
00:15:03.000 But at the end of the day, things are expensive.
00:15:07.000 And that's not necessarily Trump's fault.
00:15:08.000 I think he deserves a lot of credit for bringing inflation back down, especially when you're navigating the complexities of the Iran war.
00:15:15.000 But the felt situation for many young people, especially, is that we just are not getting what we hoped we would get.
00:15:22.000 And maybe those expectations were unrealistic, but that is a lived experience and that has political ramifications.
00:15:28.000 So we just need a message on it.
00:15:30.000 We need big, National messaging PR battles on this front about what we're doing to address the problems domestically.
00:15:37.000 Okay, I've only got a few seconds here, so I want to hit this last point.
00:15:41.000 There is carnage after this primary, Mark, on the Democrat side, and I think we need to take a note of it.
00:15:48.000 Here's Hassan Piker talking about mending bridges.
00:15:50.000 He doesn't like it.
00:15:51.000 Sot 6.
00:15:52.000 Like everyone being like, Abdullah's a ton of work to do mending bridges.
00:15:56.000 Here's the take nuke for you, okay? 1.00
00:15:59.000 You are all unbelievably Islamophobic pieces of shit, okay? 1.00
00:16:05.000 So, we're not getting conciliatory messaging from the chief El Sayed pusher, Hassan Piker, here. 1.00
00:16:13.000 What can Republicans do to exploit this? 0.93
00:16:14.000 Mark, one minute.
00:16:16.000 No, I think they can learn from the situation that what you're seeing is playing out on both the right and the left right now.
00:16:22.000 There are people, intractable people in both sides, who are fighting over basically Israel and the economy.
00:16:28.000 And when I say the economy, it's not just prices, it's the idea that the entire economic system is cooked against younger people.
00:16:35.000 This happened before Biden inflation.
00:16:36.000 Remember, Bernie Sanders was doing very well with young people long before the inflation was a problem.
00:16:41.000 So, what we have is an issue where the workers aren't being represented.
00:16:44.000 There's too much globalism, financialization, and rent seeking have ruined everything.
00:16:48.000 And right now, again, I think that's the biggest opportunity because it was a natural extension of Trump's platform, which is to realize we have to change the way the economy works for people in this country.
00:16:59.000 Now, you can laugh at Hassan Piker.
00:17:01.000 I don't know how effective it's going to be, but we have the same people that are trying to purify through subtraction, which is a term me and Rich both came up with.
00:17:08.000 It's not an effective strategy to build a coalition.
00:17:11.000 Mark Mitchell, great stuff.
00:17:13.000 Head pollster at the Honest Polling Company.
00:17:15.000 Thank you, my friend.
00:17:15.000 Talk to you soon.
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00:18:44.000 We have Coach Tubberville, the great senator from the state of Alabama, who's going to be the next governor of that state.
00:18:49.000 We're sad to lose him from the Senate.
00:18:51.000 But given how crazy the Senate is getting, I can imagine that selfishly you are probably looking forward to a change of pace there, Senator.
00:18:59.000 So we got to talk about it. 0.93
00:19:00.000 You are Mr. Sharia, you are fighting it at every turn. 1.00
00:19:04.000 We now have Abdul El Sayed, who is the Democrat primary winner in Michigan. 0.99
00:19:10.000 He's a man of Egyptian descent.
00:19:12.000 He spent his summers in Egypt.
00:19:14.000 He talked about that last night.
00:19:16.000 And he's a radical communist, and he's going to be the Democrat standard bearer in that state up against Mike Rogers.
00:19:22.000 Your take, sir.
00:19:24.000 The enemy is inside the gate, and they're coming hard.
00:19:28.000 And unfortunately, our education system has pushed a lot of our younger kids.
00:19:32.000 And then, of course, we have Democrats that are actually Democrats, but they're followers.
00:19:35.000 They're not leaders, and they're following this socialist communist agenda to a T.
00:19:40.000 And we're fighting it every day here, but we don't have enough fighters on our side, on the Republican side.
00:19:46.000 You know, we think everything's going to run on autopilot and it's going to be okay.
00:19:50.000 If we don't straighten out this country's voting, if we don't straighten out this country's immigration system, we're not going to make it. 0.98
00:19:56.000 It's going to be over with. 0.97
00:19:57.000 And as you said, I'm going to go back to Alabama and we're, hey, we might build a 30 foot wall around our state because I know what's coming.
00:20:05.000 I can see it coming.
00:20:06.000 I can hear it coming.
00:20:07.000 I can, you know, you can just smell it out there that they want to take this country over and they're not, you know, they're a lot more aggressive than we are as Americans.
00:20:18.000 Yeah, I think that's right.
00:20:19.000 So, this is Abdul El Sayed talking about his American experience.
00:20:26.000 Sop 4.
00:20:28.000 I know what America gave me.
00:20:31.000 I spend summers in Egypt.
00:20:32.000 I got my medical education paid for by the NIH.
00:20:38.000 And at the same time,
00:20:42.000 growing up just 15 minutes away from me, children whose families had been here far longer than mine, who never got those same opportunities.
00:20:51.000 So he's talking about economics.
00:20:53.000 He's talking about Medicare for all.
00:20:55.000 He's talking about making things more affordable.
00:20:59.000 This is their messaging, but it's all going to lead to disaster.
00:21:02.000 It's been tried time and time again, but.
00:21:04.000 There's a couple issues, Senator. 0.99
00:21:07.000 We have economic illiteracy with so many young people.
00:21:10.000 It's just a fact.
00:21:11.000 I mean, I've talked to them.
00:21:12.000 These are good kids.
00:21:13.000 They're good patriots.
00:21:13.000 They love their country.
00:21:14.000 They just don't understand.
00:21:15.000 I'll never forget we were doing a roundtable for our chapter leadership summit.
00:21:20.000 And one of the girls around the table, Senator, said that maybe a solution was increasing the minimum wage, as if that would have any practical impact on anything other than making things more expensive.
00:21:34.000 But this is a problem because this message is rosy, and I'm worried.
00:21:38.000 That we are not as Republicans countering it with a positive vision of how our ideas are actually the ones that are going to work.
00:21:45.000 And I'm worried we're not focused enough on that.
00:21:48.000 Your take.
00:21:48.000 Yeah.
00:21:49.000 Well, we don't have a game plan.
00:21:51.000 I mean, there's no plan intact up here from the federal government that takes this back to our kids all over the country and explains to them the difference between socialism, communism, and being a capitalist country.
00:22:05.000 They don't realize how good we have it here.
00:22:07.000 Now, I can understand a lot of them going to these universities and getting a degree in sociology and spending $150,000 or borrowing $150,000 and getting out, and they can't get a job at Walmart because they didn't get a degree that actually you can get a job.
00:22:22.000 Our universities have become a business instead of an educational institution.
00:22:28.000 They want to make money.
00:22:30.000 They enable all these woke professors that have been there for years that are on tenure to preach whatever they want to preach, and they're not controlled.
00:22:41.000 So, we got a lot of problems, and President Trump wants to take education out of the federal government.
00:22:46.000 He's exactly right.
00:22:47.000 We have to do that.
00:22:48.000 If we don't, that's going to be a continuation of just indoctrinating these kids in this woke ideology. 0.70
00:22:55.000 But again, that and then immigration of letting these people come here from countries that have no clue.
00:23:02.000 This guy says we deserve 9 11.
00:23:06.000 What the?
00:23:07.000 It's what's been 25 years.
00:23:09.000 It hadn't been that long ago.
00:23:10.000 What are you talking about?
00:23:11.000 Oh, and I got my degree because of NIH.
00:23:13.000 Who do you think paid for your degree?
00:23:16.000 Capitalists in this country paid money, tax money, and NIH has stolen it for years and given it to people all over the world.
00:23:23.000 We've got a broken system.
00:23:25.000 The federal government's broken.
00:23:26.000 President Trump's trying to put it back together.
00:23:29.000 But unfortunately, he's been fought from both sides, from Republicans and Democrats.
00:23:34.000 Coach Toberville, I think it's.
00:23:36.000 We had a writer on Helen Andrews yesterday, and she talked about what should really frighten us is how easy these figures like Hassan Piker, like El Syed, these guys who.
00:23:48.000 Their parents weren't born here.
00:23:49.000 Maybe they themselves weren't born here, but how adept they are at using this lingo of white supremacy, of America as a racist country, as America as a nation that needs to atone and pay reparations,
00:24:03.000 especially to people like themselves or their parents or their kids who only recently arrived here.
00:24:09.000 And we were also discussing this in context.
00:24:13.000 We still have Republicans on Capitol Hill who say we need more guest workers, more migration from the third world.
00:24:19.000 We're basically.
00:24:21.000 Sticking our head into a noose here of let's bring in people who are adopting this rhetoric of let's destroy America.
00:24:29.000 And we're just feeding it to them.
00:24:30.000 And it's so easy for them to build their entire lives and now win elections around it.
00:24:34.000 Like, who are they fooling?
00:24:37.000 Yeah, we're walking into a war zone without a gun and there's nobody fighting back.
00:24:43.000 Everybody, let me tell you what happens up here.
00:24:46.000 We're more worried right now about going out and campaigning and trying to keep a majority than we are doing what we should do.
00:24:53.000 How about we take care of the American people?
00:24:55.000 Don't worry about getting elected.
00:24:56.000 I mean, we don't try to play to win up here.
00:24:59.000 All we try to do is survive.
00:25:01.000 And that has gotten us in trouble.
00:25:02.000 We should be passing everything in the world, bust a filibuster, because folks, it is coming.
00:25:08.000 When they get control, and it's not going to be too far down the road with the people we have elected now up here in the Senate and the House, by the way, that we're going to be controlled by these communists and it's going to be game, set, match.
00:25:21.000 I mean, we're on the last leg.
00:25:24.000 I mean, this is not where this could happen.
00:25:27.000 30, 40, 50 years from now, it's going to happen a year or two from now if we don't understand what is happening.
00:25:34.000 But again, we got too many people that love power.
00:25:37.000 We got too many people that are greedy.
00:25:39.000 We have too many people that really don't understand anything other than I just want to come back up here.
00:25:46.000 I want to have my name as a congressman or a senator.
00:25:49.000 Yeah.
00:25:49.000 I mean, and that's true.
00:25:51.000 They want the title, but we can't even get Republicans to stay in DC during the August recess.
00:25:57.000 Now, Throw up 182.
00:25:58.000 You are proudly one of these people.
00:26:01.000 And by the way, if you weren't, anybody who's not calling to cancel the August recess is not allowed on this show right now.
00:26:06.000 I mean, probably ever.
00:26:07.000 But 182, throw the image up here. 0.99
00:26:10.000 That's a good chunk of the GOP in the Senate.
00:26:15.000 And yet we can't get Leader Thune to get behind this effort and get the Save America Act passed.
00:26:21.000 Let's play Cut 13.
00:26:24.000 First is there are no Democrats who are going to vote for this.
00:26:27.000 All 47 voted against the Save Act five times.
00:26:31.000 So let's make this an issue in the campaign.
00:26:33.000 How about we go out and turn our fire on Democrats and make it about them opposing the SAVE Act?
00:26:39.000 So we're not, that's the point.
00:26:40.000 So we're not getting any Democrats.
00:26:42.000 The second thing is we are not getting rid of the legislative filibuster.
00:26:46.000 The votes aren't there to do that.
00:26:47.000 I've made it abundantly clear many, many times.
00:26:50.000 And it seems to me some days that I'm the only one here who can count to 50 in this town.
00:26:56.000 I mean, I just hear that and I just hear, it just gets my blood boiling.
00:27:00.000 I'm going to be honest.
00:27:01.000 We have had a trifecta of Republican control in the House, Senate, and the White House five times in the last century.
00:27:08.000 Five times.
00:27:09.000 Most of the time, it's two year stints.
00:27:11.000 And he wants to use it for the next election?
00:27:14.000 Has he not looked at the polling?
00:27:15.000 We've got, like, time is short.
00:27:19.000 I cannot, for the life of me, wrap my head around what the hell he's talking about.
00:27:24.000 Cancel the August recess.
00:27:25.000 And I'm sorry to get worked up, but this has been building up in me for so long.
00:27:29.000 Senator, I know you've got to keep things collegial because it's what you senators kind of have to do.
00:27:34.000 But what is going on?
00:27:35.000 Why can we not cancel the stinking August recess? 0.52
00:27:39.000 Well, first of all, there's a lot of Trump derangement syndrome up here.
00:27:42.000 They want the country to stay the way it was.
00:27:45.000 They don't understand how it's changing underneath us as we speak.
00:27:49.000 I mean, there's a war going on out there.
00:27:52.000 This is not the America that we knew just five, six, seven years ago.
00:27:56.000 This is totally changed.
00:27:57.000 And the president sees it.
00:27:59.000 He sees it.
00:28:00.000 Okay, you know, things have to change here.
00:28:02.000 You got to bust a filibuster.
00:28:04.000 The only way we're going to keep.
00:28:06.000 Majority is bust a filibuster, pass everything we possibly can at 51, get the country back on track.
00:28:13.000 Because when and if they do, eventually they're going to bust a filibuster.
00:28:19.000 Yeah, the only way we can get reelected up here is to do something for the American people.
00:28:23.000 Let me tell you something.
00:28:24.000 There's no, there are people who are going to fight their tails off.
00:28:27.000 If we go on recess at the end of this week, we will not come back until the middle of September.
00:28:32.000 Then we'll go two weeks.
00:28:33.000 Then we're gone again for another month.
00:28:35.000 And then we have the midterms.
00:28:38.000 It's going to be game, set, match.
00:28:39.000 You know, they're looking at us going, we gave the majority and you're not doing anything.
00:28:43.000 Why should we go for you again?
00:28:45.000 Yeah.
00:28:45.000 And why exactly?
00:28:46.000 Listen, I am of the perspective that the Democrats are unacceptable.
00:28:50.000 Okay.
00:28:50.000 This country cannot absorb another.
00:28:52.000 Three to five million illegals every year under the Democrat rule. 1.00
00:28:56.000 Okay. 0.98
00:28:56.000 We can't. 0.98
00:28:57.000 We can't.
00:28:57.000 So that is out of the option list.
00:29:01.000 Okay.
00:29:01.000 They have lost their minds.
00:29:02.000 They're a bunch of communists. 0.99
00:29:04.000 Obviously, that's unacceptable.
00:29:05.000 But for the love, Republicans, if you don't do your job, people in the middle, normies, people that are not clued in, are not going to come out and vote for you if you don't deliver.
00:29:16.000 If you want to get elected again, deliver for the people.
00:29:20.000 We're out here screaming and hollering, begging these people in DC to listen to us.
00:29:25.000 And I got like you and Mike Lee.
00:29:27.000 I just cannot wrap my head around it, Senator.
00:29:30.000 It's so frustrating.
00:29:32.000 I know you're not done railing against the Save America Act, the fact that we can't get this done.
00:29:36.000 So the floor is yours, sir.
00:29:38.000 Yeah, well, it's mind boggling to me how we even have Republicans that are against this.
00:29:44.000 One said it's draconian.
00:29:47.000 Let me explain it this way.
00:29:49.000 Since I've been here, there are about 12 to 14 states in this country we'll never win as conservative Christians, constitutionalists.
00:29:58.000 We're not going to win.
00:29:59.000 Because they cheat the heck out of us.
00:30:02.000 They're all rigged, and there's over a dozen of them.
00:30:04.000 And so, those states will never get a congressman, will never get a senator, obviously won't get a governor.
00:30:12.000 But at the end of the day, if you look at this, it's growing a couple, two, three, possibly a year.
00:30:17.000 We're going to get to a point where we're not going to have any majorities in this country.
00:30:21.000 So, we're going to get run over. 0.97
00:30:22.000 So, that's a reason we have to.
00:30:24.000 And in the past, you probably didn't need federal oversight of these elections, but you do now because.
00:30:30.000 These people are bound and determined to cheat at every turn.
00:30:33.000 And so that's the reason we need the Save America Act.
00:30:36.000 Now, we're going to have one shot at it, I think, possibly this weekend.
00:30:40.000 And we're going to do a reconciliation of trying to get a supplemental for the military, which they need about $60 billion.
00:30:47.000 And we're going to try to connect it with that.
00:30:49.000 Now, somehow, some way, we'll have to word it to where the parliamentarian will keep it in there.
00:30:55.000 Now, this parliamentarian is a Democrat. 0.60
00:30:57.000 She should have been fired when we took over, but we didn't do it.
00:31:00.000 It was, I think, a Harry Reid appointment. 0.83
00:31:03.000 But we can fire the parliamentarian.
00:31:05.000 And if she doesn't go along with this, our leader, John Thune, needs to fire immediately because that's what happened.
00:31:13.000 Trent Lott fired a parliamentarian when she didn't agree with him years ago and got something across the finish line.
00:31:23.000 We better start playing hardball here because we're playing softball.
00:31:26.000 We're playing, oh, we're Mr. Nice Guy.
00:31:29.000 The hell with that.
00:31:30.000 We have to start playing hardball and get the Save America Act across the line.
00:31:34.000 It will not make a lot of difference in this election coming up.
00:31:38.000 But the years to come, if we don't, we're going to lose more and more of these states that are going to figure this out on how to cheat, how to change balance, do the things they need to do, and this country will be gone.
00:31:50.000 I actually would disagree with you on this election, Coach Tubberville, for one very important reason, which I think, Andrew, you'd agree.
00:31:57.000 We've been hearing about this all year the Save America Act.
00:32:00.000 President Trump has been touting it.
00:32:02.000 We've heard Republican senators, some of the ones who are now slow playing it or saying we can't pass it, were making noises, oh, yeah, we're working on this.
00:32:10.000 We think we can find a way to get it through.
00:32:12.000 And they've just done these delay tactics, delay tactics, delay tactics all year.
00:32:16.000 And if they get all the way to election day and it's not passed and everyone decides they were lying to us this whole year, it's going to murder our turnout.
00:32:24.000 They, you practically at this point, I think, have an obligation to pass it or the entire base is going to feel like they were cheated in that decision.
00:32:31.000 I would say, coach, you know, you go back to that Thune clip, he's saying, Am I the only one in Washington who can count to 50?
00:32:37.000 No, sir. 1.00
00:32:38.000 That is an idiotic thing to say in a microphone. 1.00
00:32:41.000 Okay, first of all. 1.00
00:32:42.000 Second of all, just do the dang vote. 0.96
00:32:45.000 Just do it.
00:32:46.000 Go out on the floor and do the talking filibuster like Senator Lee has been proposing and put names on the board so we know who to primary next.
00:32:54.000 If you're going to vote against this, then I want to know.
00:32:57.000 Okay?
00:32:58.000 And by the way, the American people deserve that.
00:33:00.000 They deserve the transparency.
00:33:02.000 Go show that you actually are willing to let the process play out, even if you don't have the votes. 0.73
00:33:07.000 Stop covering for these cowards and make them put their name on the line. 0.78
00:33:11.000 I totally agree with you. 0.85
00:33:13.000 Now, the last time we put it for a vote was in reconciliation back in June.
00:33:18.000 I think Lindsey Graham had it as an amendment, and we got 49 votes.
00:33:21.000 We made progress.
00:33:23.000 We made progress.
00:33:23.000 We got 49.
00:33:24.000 We can add more.
00:33:26.000 But again, at the end of the day, it's either got to be a 51 vote. 1.00
00:33:28.000 We can't get 60 because none of these idiots on the Democrat side are ever going to vote for it. 0.99
00:33:33.000 But we can get to 51 through reconciliation if we just press people and let them know how important it is. 1.00
00:33:40.000 They'll start hearing from people back home.
00:33:42.000 But if you don't vote on it, like you said, then your constituents don't know who's against it.
00:33:48.000 And so, This weekend will be a big test.
00:33:51.000 It'll be a big, big deal.
00:33:53.000 What day is that, Senator?
00:33:55.000 I would say Friday or Saturday.
00:33:57.000 And Ron Johnson wants a reconciliation.
00:34:00.000 He's the new budget chair taking over for Lindsey Graham.
00:34:03.000 He said he'll run the floor, he'll do it the right way.
00:34:06.000 And I think we'd have a great chance.
00:34:09.000 Again, we got to have a leader stand up and say, enough's enough of this.
00:34:13.000 Yeah.
00:34:14.000 You know, Coach, this is the problem, I think.
00:34:16.000 And I'm just being cards on the table.
00:34:19.000 I've called for him to be removed now.
00:34:21.000 And I think he's earned every bit of that.
00:34:23.000 And But here's the deal. 0.99
00:34:25.000 If you don't actually call the vote, if you don't do the things, then you're just a coward that's covering up for other cowards. 0.99
00:34:31.000 Okay? 0.98
00:34:31.000 I don't care if you don't have the votes. 0.98
00:34:34.000 We want the vote to happen and we want to see who's voting against the interests of the base.
00:34:38.000 We want to see who is betraying conservatives because you're right.
00:34:42.000 Time is short.
00:34:42.000 People don't understand what we're up against.
00:34:44.000 The demographic landslide that we're facing as a country, the fact that we've got distractions in the Middle East instead of focusing domestically, this is serious business. 0.52
00:34:54.000 We got one last shot at this, and we got to get it done. 0.65
00:34:57.000 Failure is not an option.
00:34:59.000 Final minute to you, Coach.
00:35:00.000 Well, you're exactly right.
00:35:02.000 We got a lot of problems in this country, a lot of them, and we're stopping a lot of the fraud.
00:35:06.000 You know, we lose $100 million an hour, 365 days to money that we lose to fraud and theft in this country.
00:35:13.000 $100 million. 1.00
00:35:15.000 How stupid is that? 1.00
00:35:16.000 And that's the reason that we need Doge. 1.00
00:35:18.000 We needed President Trump to come in.
00:35:20.000 We got to cut back on these dang bureaucrats who are stealing us blind. 0.85
00:35:24.000 The American people need to wake up. 1.00
00:35:26.000 And get out and vote.
00:35:27.000 My God, folks, this is past serious.
00:35:32.000 We only had 20% of the people vote in Alabama in the primary.
00:35:35.000 20%.
00:35:36.000 We better get upwards of 50, 60, 70% in some of these states, or we're going to get whitewashed.
00:35:44.000 People are going to run right over the top of us, and especially these states that are going to jam the ballot boxes with all these fake ballots.
00:35:51.000 So, folks, we got to go vote.
00:35:53.000 We got to go vote and take our country back.
00:35:55.000 And you saw that last night in Michigan, by the way.
00:35:57.000 They're stuffing ballot boxes.
00:35:59.000 I mean, some of these returns didn't make any sense.
00:36:01.000 The establishment Dems were doing all their electioneering shenanigans to try and rig it for Stevens.
00:36:06.000 It wasn't enough, but it was darn near enough.
00:36:08.000 I think the margin's 14K right now.
00:36:10.000 I mean, it's nothing.
00:36:11.000 Syed's going to win, but they tried like heck to steal it.
00:36:15.000 So we have to vote. 1.00
00:36:16.000 You're absolutely right. 0.98
00:36:17.000 The only thing that can overcome it is being too big to rig in these states because we haven't fixed crap. 0.99
00:36:22.000 And the guy's a terrorist. 1.00
00:36:23.000 He's a terrorist. 0.99
00:36:24.000 Think about that. 0.99
00:36:25.000 I agree with you.
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00:38:28.000 I'm very excited about this next conversation because everything is about the economy right now on social media.
00:38:35.000 The whole debate, I accidentally sparked another one about burritos.
00:38:38.000 Blake's been weighing in.
00:38:40.000 He likes cheap burritos, but that's fine.
00:38:43.000 I don't know the last time I've actually had just a burrito.
00:38:45.000 We're going to do the pool.
00:38:46.000 You're going to have one this week.
00:38:47.000 It's going to be a whole thing.
00:38:49.000 But here to help us discuss is David Bleas.
00:38:52.000 He's the pastor and director of Patriot Mobile Faith.
00:38:55.000 You can find him on X at Faith Mobilize.
00:38:57.000 He does a lot of great content, and he's got just a really important perspective on this whole debate.
00:39:03.000 So, Pastor, welcome to the show.
00:39:05.000 It's great to have you.
00:39:07.000 And I'm excited to get into this because the clip that started this whole kind of debate actually was one with our friend Jack Pasobic.
00:39:16.000 It was actually a back and forth.
00:39:17.000 I mean, people are losing this, you know, that didn't like what Jack had to say.
00:39:21.000 Like, you know, we had Mikey McCoy arguing with him on the clip.
00:39:24.000 But, anyways, we'll play the clip, and then we'll get your reaction on the other side.
00:39:28.000 Sop 15. 0.56
00:39:29.000 He should absolutely be.
00:39:30.000 We are capitalists.
00:39:31.000 We are fundamentally pro somebody spending their wealth how they want to spend their wealth.
00:39:37.000 I don't think we should center our country around capital. 1.00
00:39:42.000 I think that's not Christian. 1.00
00:39:43.000 All right, Pastor, your reaction to that now infamous clip. 0.99
00:39:48.000 Yeah.
00:39:49.000 And then I want to talk about the burritos because that's crucial as well.
00:39:52.000 Yes, it is.
00:39:53.000 But yeah, so I saw this clip, and the first thought that I had, labeling, I'm not a capitalist.
00:40:00.000 I don't know what that means.
00:40:01.000 Maybe it's because we're saying I'm a Christian.
00:40:03.000 First, you know, I can understand that.
00:40:06.000 I think so.
00:40:06.000 Yeah.
00:40:08.000 And then he said, I don't think we should center our country around capitalism.
00:40:13.000 And again, I like to give grace first.
00:40:14.000 I'm a pastor.
00:40:15.000 I need grace too.
00:40:16.000 We all need grace.
00:40:17.000 Maybe he's saying, I want to center the country around biblical values and morality.
00:40:22.000 Hey, that's great too.
00:40:23.000 I agree with that.
00:40:24.000 We don't want to center around a system.
00:40:26.000 We don't want to center it around democracy.
00:40:28.000 We don't want to center it around capitalism.
00:40:30.000 We want to center it on the biblical morality, the biblical foundation that we're endowed by our creator.
00:40:36.000 Our rights are given by God.
00:40:37.000 The government only helps enforce those rights, protect those rights, not.
00:40:43.000 Give those rights.
00:40:45.000 However, I think this plays into just this idea that we see on social media about capitalism and socialism, and capitalism is sometimes just portrayed as greed.
00:40:56.000 But here's how I always see really the value statement capitalism values freedom.
00:41:03.000 And that is why it is not a perfect system, it's the best system that we've found economically because it values liberty, it values self determination, it values that you get to.
00:41:17.000 Spend your own money and you get to be generous if you choose so.
00:41:21.000 Because generosity has to be a choice.
00:41:23.000 The other option is socialism, which values fairness.
00:41:27.000 And the government wants to take, you know, seize your capital and then they give it out.
00:41:33.000 That's not generosity because you can't be generous with someone else's finances, with someone else's money.
00:41:38.000 And so we have to be aware of what the foundation should be biblical morality, because that provides the guardrails for capitalism to succeed.
00:41:49.000 Why would capitalism succeed?
00:41:50.000 Because you have biblical guardrails, then the conservative party historically is way more generous.
00:41:58.000 Why?
00:41:58.000 Because they have the freedom to be generous.
00:42:01.000 The downside of capitalism is if left unchecked, it will develop greed, it will develop selfishness, a love for money.
00:42:08.000 The Bible has a lot to say about that.
00:42:10.000 But the answer to that is not, well, then let's just get rid of capitalism.
00:42:13.000 Because what you're saying is, let's get rid of the freedom, let's get rid of the choice.
00:42:17.000 Well, God didn't do that.
00:42:18.000 God didn't say, hey, Adam and Eve, you're done making choices, robots now.
00:42:23.000 No, He said, Essentially, God says, I am going to risk what is on the other side of giving freedom, which is they could use that freedom to be generous or to be selfish.
00:42:35.000 But that's the risk.
00:42:36.000 So, capitalism is the most biblical economic system that we have because it values freedom and choice, which is something the Bible has a lot to say about, and stewardship and generosity.
00:42:47.000 It's not the perfect system.
00:42:48.000 It reminds me of the quote about democracy democracy is the worst form of government, except for all the other forms.
00:42:55.000 So, we're not looking for a perfect system, we're looking for the most biblical system.
00:43:00.000 To run economics in a nation.
00:43:03.000 And historically speaking and biblically speaking, it's been capitalism.
00:43:07.000 It doesn't mean it's perfect.
00:43:08.000 Of course, it can lead to greed and selfishness, but that's the
00:43:14.000 risk of freedom.
00:43:16.000 I think that's so correct.
00:43:17.000 And I think you want to take the long view here.
00:43:19.000 You mentioned that capitalism has given America the wealth to be generous.
00:43:24.000 And I think it's worth reminding people how unusual America is in that regard, that we are a nation.
00:43:30.000 Of givers in our own communities and around the world.
00:43:33.000 Basically, there are almost entire countries that are reliant on the charitable giving of Americans.
00:43:38.000 That America is the country that produces missionaries, far more missionaries than any other country come out of America to go around the world.
00:43:46.000 And I think that's directly linked to our free market system.
00:43:50.000 Even our way of our very energetic church environment, the way that there is so many different competing Protestant churches, Catholic churches, that they're.
00:44:02.000 We're very on the ball religiously.
00:44:03.000 And I think that's actually a side effect of having this capitalist worldview that if you don't like the way something works, you can go and make your own version of it.
00:44:12.000 And what we see in socialist countries is everyone instead, they lose the capacity to do that.
00:44:17.000 It's always the state should come in and bail me out.
00:44:20.000 The state should decide this.
00:44:21.000 I don't have the ability to decide for myself.
00:44:24.000 And eventually you don't want to decide for yourself anymore.
00:44:27.000 To the extent that it needs clarification, because I think there was some consternation about that clip.
00:44:32.000 Like, what does TPUSA stand for?
00:44:33.000 No, no, no.
00:44:34.000 We are.
00:44:34.000 Pure capitalists, like in the sense that we are very pro capitalism with guardrails, with biblical guardrails.
00:44:41.000 We're not pro greed.
00:44:41.000 We're not pro materialism.
00:44:43.000 We're not pro worshiping at the altar of, you know, having billions of dollars or anything like that.
00:44:49.000 You know, Charlie would often say that capitalism is the most proven, moral, and effective economic system in the world.
00:44:56.000 And, you know, you said it's the most we've found, the best we've found.
00:45:00.000 Well, it's kind of actually inverted that it found us in many ways.
00:45:04.000 It's kind of a natural outflow.
00:45:07.000 Of the human spirit, of the way we are wired to freely exchange goods and services.
00:45:13.000 And so there's no, hopefully, there's no lack of clarity on that front.
00:45:18.000 And so, but I love what you're bringing in.
00:45:21.000 What so much of the solution to our problems in this country is not more government, it's we need to be better people.
00:45:29.000 We need to cry out to the Lord to make our country great from a character standpoint, from a fade standpoint.
00:45:37.000 That's the answer to so many of our problems.
00:45:39.000 And when we invite government in, it usually, you know, in Reagan's famous words, I'm not a huge Reagan quoter all the time, but, you know, the scariest words in the English language is I'm from the government and I'm here to help.
00:45:51.000 Final minute in this segment to you.
00:45:53.000 Yeah, no, I think it's really important.
00:45:56.000 And I think when we understand the number one value of these two systems, capitalism values freedom, it values liberty.
00:46:07.000 And that makes sense why America has.
00:46:09.000 Has been a capitalist nation is because what was the founding principle?
00:46:14.000 Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.
00:46:16.000 Or John Locke, life, liberty, and property.
00:46:19.000 So it's what it's saying is that's a value statement.
00:46:22.000 Number one thing is life.
00:46:24.000 And then the other two are my personal happiness, my self determination, and my liberty.
00:46:29.000 The government can't take those away from me and they didn't give them to me.
00:46:32.000 And you ask any person that values socialism, they value fairness.
00:46:37.000 Hey, that's great.
00:46:38.000 My kids love fairness too.
00:46:39.000 But you know, when they realize fairness, Uh, is not the greatest value is when you go to a school and you say, Hey, uh, equal opportunity, right?
00:46:47.000 That fair, yeah, it's fair.
00:46:49.000 Equal, uh, equal opportunity in equal, um, you know, what is it called?
00:46:54.000 Uh, uh, outcome, and they're like, Yeah, yeah, that sounds good, sounds right.
00:46:58.000 And you can, okay, uh, so here's your test scores you got an A, you got a B, you got a C, you got a D, you got an F.
00:47:05.000 Let's just everyone's gonna see, minus, sound good, fair.
00:47:08.000 No, that's fair, and then the A student's like, Whoa, whoa, whoa.
00:47:13.000 Yeah.
00:47:13.000 Socialism is not fair to the producers and the people who work their tails off and sacrifice sleep and all this stuff.
00:47:20.000 So, you are your pastor and director of Patriot Mobile Faith.
00:47:23.000 We love Patriot Mobile, by the way.
00:47:24.000 Great capitalist company, great success story, all American success story.
00:47:29.000 I want to talk about this distinction because I have talked to Jack about what he meant by that.
00:47:33.000 And I'm assuming we're going to get to it in Thought Crime this week as well, which is our Thursday streaming show.
00:47:39.000 You know, so for him, he was saying, Yeah, I'm a national populist, which.
00:47:45.000 It incorporates capitalism, right?
00:47:47.000 But it's sort of a way of saying we're going to apply certain sensible regulations to make sure that we're directing and incentivizing capital in the country in ways that benefit the nation, right?
00:48:01.000 So, as opposed to offshoring and hollowing out our industrial base and shipping all the jobs off to China in exchange for rubber trinkets that's going to end up in the trash someday, we're actually going to incentivize through tax code regulation that companies invest here,
00:48:16.000 that they hire American, that they do things that are good for the American population.
00:48:19.000 So, you know, Jack wrote a whole book.
00:48:22.000 Hitting communism and attacking communism by no means.
00:48:26.000 I think it would be a very unfair interpretation of his comments to say that he was somehow against capitalism.
00:48:33.000 But I do think that this is a worthwhile debate to have.
00:48:36.000 And I think we're going to be having it ahead of 2028 about the right way to talk about capitalism.
00:48:42.000 And my concern, and then the floor will be yours, is that if we don't do this, young people are so inundated by this pro socialism message that they're going to say, well, I don't want the old way as it's been.
00:48:53.000 And this is a way to sort of filter that message and thread the needle and say, hey, we're hearing your concerns that the middle class, working class is getting hammered in some ways, especially when it comes to burritos and affordability, but we're not ditching capitalism.
00:49:07.000 Your thoughts?
00:49:09.000 Yeah, I think when it gets down into the nitty gritty, which is one of the reasons why, you know, clipping up something can be so destructive because you take something out of context.
00:49:19.000 Well, we do that with scripture too.
00:49:20.000 We take one verse out of context and we can make it say whatever we want.
00:49:23.000 And so I think what we have to constantly.
00:49:28.000 Go back to, unfortunately, is defining terms.
00:49:31.000 What do you mean when you say capitalists?
00:49:33.000 And if someone says, Oh, you know, I'm greedy, you know, money hungry, you're like, Okay, that's not what I mean by capitalism.
00:49:40.000 I mean, by capitalism, I mean the economic structure in which we value freedom of exchange, freedom of movement, you know, generosity, all those things, liberty.
00:49:53.000 And so we have to define those terms and then juxtapose to the other options.
00:49:59.000 When you're talking about, you know, Populism, then now we're, like you said, threading a needle.
00:50:06.000 Okay, what do we mean by that?
00:50:08.000 It's not anti capitalism, but we're wanting to benefit our nation first.
00:50:13.000 Well, that's great.
00:50:14.000 And the America First movement has then taken that to mean, okay, America first.
00:50:18.000 And now we have to define do we mean America first or America only?
00:50:21.000 Because if we have this biblical foundation that we're talking about, the Bible has a lot to say about the church caring for orphans and widows, the Good Samaritan caring for your neighbor.
00:50:32.000 And so As long as we mean America first, like the analogy often given of the oxygen mask coming down on the airplane and putting yours on first, because if I'm incapacitated, I can't help my neighbor.
00:50:45.000 I totally agree with that.
00:50:47.000 But if we're saying America only, that we shouldn't be involved anywhere outside of our own borders, well, that's taking away the biblical principle of generosity and kindness and loving your neighbor.
00:51:00.000 So that's, I kind of always find myself having to go back to redefining terms that have been.
00:51:07.000 Outlandishly used in personified to mean one small definition.
00:51:12.000 Capitalism means greed or whatever it is.
00:51:14.000 Yeah.
00:51:14.000 And David, I have a perfect example of this that, you know, pure unfettered capitalism, it can lead to excesses.
00:51:21.000 It can lead to bubbles.
00:51:22.000 It can lead to monopolies.
00:51:24.000 This is why conservatives are reexamining the legacy of somebody like Teddy Roosevelt, right?
00:51:28.000 The famous trust buster.
00:51:30.000 He believed that the monopolies that had developed during the Gilded Age had basically resulted in, you know, I guess excessive prices for consumers, excessive influence among a very elite oligarchy that had developed,
00:51:44.000 whether that be economic influence or political influence.
00:51:47.000 And so he broke up some of those companies.
00:51:50.000 And there are benefits that could be had from those types of things. 0.97
00:51:53.000 Now, another limit that we put on capital is immigration, right? 1.00
00:51:57.000 Big businesses would love to flood the nation with unfettered mass migration of third worlders and cheap slave labor. 1.00
00:52:05.000 And we have rejected that at the ballot box when we elected President Trump. 1.00
00:52:08.000 Now, that doesn't mean that you have to be an absolutist on any of those things, but it does mean that obviously there are sensible things that you can do to regulate or incentivize the movement of capital.
00:52:20.000 To best suit your national interests.
00:52:22.000 And I think it's actually worth emphasizing that point that a friend of mine pointed out.
00:52:28.000 I've been talking to him about this, and he says one of the better ways, if you want to defend capitalism, is just really defend against all the other stuff they want. 0.98
00:52:35.000 Because so many of the people who are complaining about capitalism, they're actually totally in league with them on let's bring in the entire third world here. 0.93
00:52:44.000 So they'll actually concede them that point and say, oh, actually, yeah, let's give big business what they want endless migrant labor, endless slave labor, endless, like literally illegal immigrants. 0.98
00:52:53.000 They actually just want to.
00:52:55.000 Crash America, blow it up.
00:52:57.000 And we should be pointing that out and fighting against that.
00:53:00.000 And you really just get, I think, I think you get capitalism almost as a side effect of it.
00:53:05.000 You don't need to say we're shilling for business.
00:53:07.000 You just say we're rejecting all of these ideas that are clearly motivated by people who hate America and want to burn it down.
00:53:14.000 I just think we're, as believers, we're called to hold the tension between oftentimes two incredibly unhealthy extremes.
00:53:22.000 And media often wants to push to the extremes.
00:53:25.000 And we find Jesus often holding a tension between compassion and truth.
00:53:29.000 And not having to sacrifice one for the other.
00:53:32.000 And I think we can do that with almost every debate.
00:53:34.000 What's the tension here?
00:53:35.000 Because we're not going to go to these extremes.
00:53:37.000 It's actually more nuanced.
00:53:39.000 But as a comedian said, the new N word is nuanced.
00:53:41.000 We don't want to talk about it.
00:53:42.000 And it's like, no, we need to talk about it.
00:53:44.000 Pastor, Ecclesiastes 7 18, whoever fears God will avoid all extremes.
00:53:50.000 God bless you.
00:53:50.000 We'll talk to you soon.
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00:54:51.000 We're going to talk about daylight savings time or standard time.
00:54:58.000 We're going to have that debate.
00:54:59.000 It's about to go bad.
00:55:00.000 It's not a debate.
00:55:01.000 Standard time is superior.
00:55:02.000 This is the problem with this debate.
00:55:03.000 Everybody's so dug into their ideological trenches.
00:55:06.000 Yeah, but my trench is correct.
00:55:08.000 So without further ado, I'm so excited about this.
00:55:13.000 So, we have Sarah Kleiner joining us.
00:55:16.000 Welcome to the show, Sarah. 0.96
00:55:17.000 I'm going to give you a little bio here.
00:55:18.000 You're the creator of the MyCircadian app.
00:55:21.000 You're board certified in applied quantum biology by the American Naturopathic Medical Board.
00:55:26.000 You've spent over 15 years of working one on one with clients to optimize nutrition, lifestyle, and mindset.
00:55:32.000 Your goal is to shift the way we think about circadian rhythms, health, nutrition, and light so we can better integrate those into our life.
00:55:39.000 And it doesn't matter what stage of life or anything like that.
00:55:42.000 So we're honored to have you.
00:55:44.000 You come very highly recommended by Alex Clark, who's our official MAHA expert around here.
00:55:49.000 So it's great to have you.
00:55:51.000 Thank you so much for having me.
00:55:52.000 Yes, absolutely.
00:55:53.000 So, President Trump wants permanent daylight savings time.
00:55:58.000 Blake wants permanent standard time.
00:56:01.000 What is the right answer?
00:56:03.000 I mean, the American Academy of Sleep Medicine and every single circadian scientist that I have ever spoken with is on the time of permanent standard time.
00:56:14.000 That's the one that aligns with our biological clock.
00:56:16.000 We have Mountains of evidence to show how important it is for anxiety, depression, obesity, heart health.
00:56:23.000 I mean, we have the research available.
00:56:26.000 And I have, I saw the, I guess it was a statement Trump put out yesterday that Riley was kind enough to send me and kind of have looked through a lot of that.
00:56:35.000 And I have a lot of thoughts on some of the things he said.
00:56:40.000 There's some half truths in there, but I'm definitely on team permanent standard.
00:56:45.000 You and Blake are on the same team.
00:56:46.000 So that means I'm the odd man out and I have to play devil's advocate.
00:56:50.000 I have to play a devil's advocate here.
00:56:52.000 So, this is the quote from Trump.
00:56:53.000 For many years, the vast majority of Americans have asked to make daylight savings time permanent, but no administration has been able to get it done until now.
00:57:00.000 I'm proud to announce the House of Representatives has passed the bill and it has now gone to the Senate for final approval.
00:57:05.000 People are sick and tired of having to change their clocks twice a year.
00:57:09.000 This we agree with, right?
00:57:10.000 The whole thing is.
00:57:11.000 How do you not want to change the clocks anymore?
00:57:13.000 We agree with that.
00:57:14.000 Yeah. 0.94
00:57:15.000 He says it's foolish, inconvenient, in some cases very costly.
00:57:18.000 For cities and states with watchtowers and hard to reach places, it costs millions of dollars.
00:57:23.000 A recent case.
00:57:24.000 Was made that it is also bad for your health and the anxiety it creates.
00:57:27.000 Leading medical, crime, and economic studies have shown that ceasing the biannual time change, giving us one extra hour of natural sunlight in the evenings, will help decrease robbery and murder rates, reduce car accidents, et cetera, et cetera.
00:57:39.000 So, okay, devil's advocate here.
00:57:41.000 So, Danny on our team grew up in the upper Midwest.
00:57:44.000 He says that on Standard Time in the winter, I believe I'm getting this right Standard Time in the winter, it was basically dark all morning long.
00:57:55.000 Or is that, am I getting that right?
00:57:57.000 This is what's so confusing about standard time.
00:57:58.000 So it's because you're in the upper Midwest, the days are shorter.
00:58:01.000 Of course.
00:58:01.000 And when you're on standard time, the sun is also going down earlier in the evening.
00:58:05.000 Yeah.
00:58:06.000 He basically doesn't want more dark at a certain time.
00:58:09.000 I'm going to find his note here.
00:58:11.000 But he's very, very open to this permanent daylight savings time.
00:58:15.000 When we're on permanent daylight savings time, the sun is going to rise very late in the future.
00:58:18.000 Very late.
00:58:19.000 Yes.
00:58:19.000 Right.
00:58:19.000 So this, okay.
00:58:21.000 So here's, let me reboot.
00:58:26.000 There is a robbery issue.
00:58:28.000 So, when you have it light later at night, there is data to indicate that robberies decrease potentially as much as 25%.
00:58:37.000 So, have you seen any of that data?
00:58:39.000 And do you agree or disagree?
00:58:42.000 I've seen the data.
00:58:42.000 It's anywhere from 7% to 27%.
00:58:46.000 So, I'm definitely not going to refute that data.
00:58:48.000 I don't want to have anyone fact check me.
00:58:50.000 That's data.
00:58:51.000 However, this is basically going from November to February, and it's from the hours of 5 to P.M. to 8 p.m.
00:58:58.000 And it's a real trade off.
00:59:01.000 What we do have is we tried this in 1974.
00:59:05.000 And within about two months, the approval rate went from 79% down to 42% because there were children being killed at bus stops.
00:59:15.000 And people hated it so much.
00:59:17.000 They hated the dark mornings.
00:59:18.000 They thought they wanted it because it's kind of the same thing happening again.
00:59:21.000 Everyone, we're going to have this extra hour and we're not really getting anything extra.
00:59:25.000 We still have to deal with winter, which is a shorter photo period.
00:59:30.000 You know, it's That's not being talked about.
00:59:32.000 And so, what we're taking off the table is the ability for millions of people to actually get the morning light signal, which, as I've said, has robust data around it that they need in order to avoid a lot of health problems.
00:59:47.000 This is okay.
00:59:48.000 So, I did have it backwards.
00:59:49.000 So, on standard time, if you do permanent standard time, it will get light earlier during those winter months, right?
00:59:56.000 Yes.
00:59:56.000 It'll say how it's been, it'll just be how it's been because what we are in right now is DST, right?
01:00:03.000 And then what If the clocks change, if we just continue with current the way things are, then we'll do that falling back thing.
01:00:11.000 And then in the spring, we'll spring forward.
01:00:13.000 And it's when Trump is saying there's health issues associated with the time change, he's correct.
01:00:18.000 But that is because we strip away that hour in spring.
01:00:22.000 That's where we see the increase in heart attack and stroke, cardiac events, mental health episodes, car accidents, all of those things.
01:00:29.000 So that is correct.
01:00:30.000 But that is because we're changing the time and taking an hour from people.
01:00:34.000 Right.
01:00:34.000 So if we just kept one or the other, we'd probably deal with some of these issues.
01:00:39.000 But we would love to just keep one, right?
01:00:41.000 Just right, but your argument is that the morning sun is really, really important for health outcomes.
01:00:48.000 So if you go to standard time, it gets light a little bit earlier.
01:00:52.000 So explain why that's so important.
01:00:55.000 So you go, I've heard people tell me that when it in the morning, you got to sort of expose your body to natural sunlight to sort of kick your body into gear.
01:01:04.000 What is that about?
01:01:06.000 Well, you have a master clock in your brain that is essentially.
01:01:10.000 Primarily signaled by light.
01:01:11.000 It's called the superchismatic nucleus.
01:01:14.000 And when the eyes get this signal from light, it signals every single cell and organ system in your body, which also runs on a circadian clock, which is why in my practice, I have people reversing autoimmune conditions, getting pregnant after failed fertility treatments.
01:01:29.000 I mean, I have a huge bank of people who have reversed health issues by simply doing this practice of going outside in the morning.
01:01:38.000 So, we, like I said, the circadian research is robust here.
01:01:43.000 The argument I get because I've spoken out on this a little bit on social media and gotten this is one topic.
01:01:48.000 Whenever I talk about it online, people get so angry.
01:01:51.000 Oh, it's amazing.
01:01:53.000 It's amazing.
01:01:54.000 The camps are firmly entrenched.
01:01:57.000 The camps are firmly entrenched.
01:01:58.000 You're right.
01:01:59.000 You're wading into perilous waters.
01:02:02.000 Well, when you mess with people's time, you're messing with their life.
01:02:05.000 It's very personal to them.
01:02:07.000 I just think that they don't really understand how this works because it's like I've heard this old Indian proverb that says you're taking a blanket and Chopping, you know, tearing off the top part of it and trying to sew it onto the bottom and say acting like it's better.
01:02:23.000 It's not because if you don't get that signal in your eyes in the morning, if you don't get enough brightness, you're not clearing residual melatonin.
01:02:32.000 You are not resetting those circadian clocks that influence your appetite regulation, mood.
01:02:38.000 All of those things need that bright morning signal.
01:02:41.000 So you might get this extra hour, but guess what?
01:02:43.000 You're going to feel kind of depressed and.
01:02:46.000 Be at risk for obesity, lethargy, because you never got that proper wake up signal.
01:02:51.000 That again, the circadian science is pretty robust around this topic.
01:02:55.000 I'm looking at the sunrise.
01:02:58.000 I'm plugging in sunrise in different cities on January 1st right now, and then add an hour if we were imagining permanent daylight savings time.
01:03:05.000 It would be you wouldn't have the sun come up in like Minneapolis until about 9 a.m. if we were on permanent daylight savings time.
01:03:13.000 This is January 1st, so one of the shorter days of the year.
01:03:16.000 It's about 9 in Detroit.
01:03:18.000 I checked Bismarck, North Dakota, so that's at the far western edge of central time.
01:03:22.000 9 30, a 9 30 sunrise there if we had permanent daylight savings time.
01:03:26.000 Right now it's happening in the eight o'clock hour.
01:03:27.000 So people are already at work and there's no sun.
01:03:30.000 And it's so bad.
01:03:30.000 One of the things that really makes this extreme, school starts so early because they want to make it so parents can take their kids to school and then go in.
01:03:39.000 So you'll have elementary kids getting up two, three hours before sunrise in these places so they can go to school.
01:03:46.000 Yeah.
01:03:46.000 Yeah.
01:03:46.000 It'll be dark at recess.
01:03:47.000 It'll be dark at recess.
01:03:47.000 School at 8 o'clock, 8 30.
01:03:49.000 The sun doesn't rise for another hour and a half.
01:03:51.000 That is wild to think about.
01:03:52.000 That's on permanent daylight savings.
01:03:55.000 Yes.
01:03:56.000 Yeah.
01:03:56.000 What does that do for children?
01:03:58.000 It's terrible for children.
01:04:00.000 I mean, children need the sunlight signal, it's so incredibly important.
01:04:04.000 For their hormones, for their brain.
01:04:06.000 The number one treatment for anxiety and depression is bright light therapy upon waking.
01:04:12.000 So that is very established research.
01:04:15.000 And so we already have a depression and anxiety and mental health crisis going on with our children due to so many factors.
01:04:22.000 I'm sure we would agree on.
01:04:23.000 I've got two kids myself.
01:04:25.000 And now we're going to strip away the ability for them to get that bright light signal, which could potentially offset some of the negative impact of what they're already up against as a generation.
01:04:38.000 Wow.
01:04:39.000 Yeah.
01:04:39.000 I mean, it just feels like we're making the right choice in the sense that we're trying to get rid of this pesky clock change, which seems, I mean, it seems like everybody's basically against that.
01:04:50.000 And I would love to hear your thoughts out in the audience.
01:04:52.000 Send us an email, freedom at charliekirk.com, if you have any questions as well.
01:04:56.000 What do you think you'd prefer?
01:04:58.000 Permanent daylight savings time or permanent standard time?
01:05:01.000 A little lighter in the morning or a little lighter at night?
01:05:03.000 That's the question.
01:05:04.000 It sounds like we need that light signal early in the morning, which is something I've heard about.
01:05:10.000 And actually, Have tried it and just stood out there and tried to get sun in the morning.
01:05:13.000 You do kind of feel revived and awake a little bit faster.
01:05:17.000 Why don't you tell us about your My Circadian app, Sarah?
01:05:21.000 Yeah, I've been coaching people in this circadian health space for the last number of years after actually having my own miracle baby in my mid 40s.
01:05:31.000 And he's three now.
01:05:33.000 So I'm really passionate about this.
01:05:35.000 Yeah, thank you.
01:05:36.000 Awesome little boy.
01:05:37.000 And circadian lifestyle helped make that possible.
01:05:41.000 And so I wanted an app that helped people understand.
01:05:44.000 When sunrise happened for them, when UVA, which we were talking a little bit about this morning light, UVA is when you're making serotonin, dopamine, beta endorphin, these appetite hormones all come online.
01:05:55.000 And I wanted them to understand when that was, as well as when they could make vitamin D because you can't make it year round.
01:06:01.000 And then measure lux, which is this most well studied measurement of light.
01:06:06.000 The app has a lux meter in it.
01:06:08.000 You want to get a 10,000 lux threshold in the morning and you want to keep your lux below 10 at night, the three hours leading up to bed, and zero in your bedroom.
01:06:16.000 So you can measure that.
01:06:18.000 And that's going to really help you keep your circadian rhythms dialed in and you kind of have it there in your pocket.
01:06:23.000 Oh, that's great.
01:06:24.000 So, why would it affect fertility?
01:06:27.000 I'm just curious.
01:06:28.000 Oh, man, because like I said, every single cell and organ system in your body is impacted by the signal of light.
01:06:34.000 Your hormones run on a circadian rhythm.
01:06:36.000 And that morning sunlight signal is incredibly important for what we call the HPA axis, which is going to signal your master hormone, pregnenolone, to talk to the other sex hormones.
01:06:46.000 So, if you're not making these hormones, especially in the morning, you're going to deal with Fertility issues.
01:06:52.000 And then we have the issue at night. 1.00
01:06:54.000 It was women used to actually cycle with the moon.
01:06:57.000 We have some really interesting data that came out in around 2010 that showed women stopped cycling.
01:07:03.000 Actually, the research came out in 2022.
01:07:05.000 It was done in 2010 that showed women cycled with the moon up until that time.
01:07:10.000 What happened in 2010?
01:07:12.000 We all got smartphones. 1.00
01:07:13.000 And so women fell out of sync. 0.91
01:07:16.000 Their menstrual cycles became irregular in 2010 because of this artificial light at night issue that we all have now. 0.71
01:07:24.000 So Wait, wait, wait, wait.
01:07:25.000 Hold on. 1.00
01:07:26.000 So, smartphones broke women's menstrual cycles. 1.00
01:07:31.000 It's a thing. 0.96
01:07:32.000 That's wild.
01:07:34.000 There have been books written on this topic.
01:07:35.000 No, I'm kidding. 1.00
01:07:36.000 Wait, so just because women are like scrolling Instagram at night, that broke their cycles? 1.00
01:07:42.000 I have women reverse hot flashes when I get them to get off the dang phone at night. 1.00
01:07:47.000 So, what time do you recommend? 0.96
01:07:50.000 If a woman wants to get pregnant and she just wants to make sure everything's, you know, her circadian rhythms are right, what time do you recommend stopping the scrolling? 0.86
01:08:01.000 I mean, the science is 10 lux and below the three hours leading up to bedtime. 0.53
01:08:06.000 So, you get more than 10 lux off your cell phone screen, even if you turn it all the way dark.
01:08:12.000 And you get the blue light.
01:08:13.000 Yeah.
01:08:13.000 You get blue light, you get that lux.
01:08:15.000 I mean, and that is enough to keep the brain making cortisol and restart, kickstart that sex steroid hormone pathway at night, which is the opposite of what we want.
01:08:25.000 We want melatonin to come in because melatonin is actually a very reproductive, powerful reproductive hormone.
01:08:32.000 It's actually a very powerful hormone for cancer prevention.
01:08:36.000 I mean, so many things that if you look at the data with artificial light at night and cancer, you will be astounded.
01:08:42.000 I mean, it is robust.
01:08:45.000 And a way a lot of people have tried to deal with this, certainly on large computers, they'll get blue light filters so that, you know, basically makes their screen orange at night.
01:08:54.000 I know I definitely have seen women, they'll get, I think they get kind of these spectacles that are supposed to filter out blue light or whatever.
01:09:00.000 They're not glad, I don't know.
01:09:01.000 They're not, they're not for vision correction like me or even, and I imagine you can probably get a similar.
01:09:07.000 App for your phone.
01:09:08.000 Does that do enough or is that just sort of putting a band aid over it that doesn't do that much and you're better just not using it at all?
01:09:16.000 It helps.
01:09:17.000 It absolutely helps.
01:09:18.000 And that's why I have that Lux meter within the app because you can, you have to use your partner's phone to measure what's coming off your phone.
01:09:25.000 Keep it below 10, turn your blue light filter on, wear your blue blockers.
01:09:28.000 That's going to help.
01:09:29.000 But the other thing that can keep your brain making cortisol is the brain waves that you're going to essentially make from being on your phone.
01:09:37.000 You're going to stay in a high beta state, which can also.
01:09:41.000 Block melatonin.
01:09:42.000 So there's a fine line you have to walk with it.
01:09:45.000 When I want people to be compliant, I'm going to say get the blue blockers, turn the dimness down on your phone, measure it, get red light bulbs in your home.
01:09:53.000 That's going to help tremendously.
01:09:54.000 But at the end of the day, I want you powered down and sleeping so you can make all that melatonin at night and reap those health benefits.
01:10:02.000 So, what about?
01:10:03.000 So, I know everybody's, I know you're going to tell me I'm doing it wrong and that's probably fair.
01:10:09.000 I watch TV at night before I go to bed or I read a book.
01:10:13.000 So it's one or the two.
01:10:14.000 And I try and do more reading, admit it.
01:10:17.000 Like for years, I was not reading, I was watching TV.
01:10:20.000 And now I'm about 70% of the time reading a book before I go to bed.
01:10:25.000 But the wife and I will watch a show together or something, you know, put the kids down.
01:10:28.000 How bad is that?
01:10:30.000 I tend to just like conk out, it doesn't seem to affect me.
01:10:34.000 But how bad is that?
01:10:35.000 And am I doing it wrong?
01:10:37.000 Yeah.
01:10:38.000 Well, the great thing I love about the app is that you can take your blue blockers, put them over the lens, and measure at eye level because I like to watch a show every Sunday night.
01:10:49.000 Right now, this is on.
01:10:50.000 I like one show a week.
01:10:51.000 I let myself do that.
01:10:53.000 So I'll sit from where I'm at on my couch, measure the lux.
01:10:57.000 I'll have my blue blockers on, and I can typically get even my big TV down to about six lux without doing anything.
01:11:02.000 So we're the blue blockers, watch your show every now and then stick to your 70% reading, and you're going to be ahead of most people.
01:11:11.000 So, but you said the brain waves, though, even aren't you still having some of those brain waves that are keeping you up with reading?
01:11:17.000 Yeah.
01:11:19.000 It's a trade off.
01:11:19.000 I mean, it depends on what you're reading, right?
01:11:22.000 They're really bad.
01:11:23.000 I'm reading about English history.
01:11:26.000 Is it better to read really trashy novels or something that are like low brain effort versus, I don't know, philosophy?
01:11:34.000 I mean, it's really dependent on the person.
01:11:36.000 I think you'd probably be fine with philosophy or history rather than, you know, murder mysteries or some of the trashy novels people like to read that might get you upset or emotional.
01:11:46.000 You're probably safe with what you're reading, in my opinion.
01:11:49.000 And yeah.
01:11:51.000 You know, we're just not thinking about light.
01:11:52.000 I mean, because you think about ancient man, right?
01:11:55.000 Like, not even ancient man, just pre electricity man.
01:11:58.000 Right.
01:11:58.000 It was like, you know, you had candles or you had little oil lamps.
01:12:05.000 I mean, that was essentially your light at night and it kind of forced you to go to bed with the rhythm of the sun.
01:12:11.000 So your whole body is oriented around this.
01:12:14.000 It's just, we don't observe it anymore because we have electricity, we have artificial light.
01:12:21.000 How much, I mean, how much of our modern health, because I know there's so many areas of health, but.
01:12:25.000 How much of our modern health do you think is actually tied in our problems or tied to this light issue?
01:12:31.000 Oh, so much.
01:12:33.000 Look into Dr. Glenn Jeffrey, look at his research on the mitochondria.
01:12:36.000 Since you guys are talking mitochondria, look at how red light and near infrared impacts mitochondria positive and blue light specifically impacts mitochondria negative.
01:12:46.000 And our indoor environments are completely devoid of red and infrared light since we got rid of the incandescent bulb.
01:12:52.000 And we are in these blue rich heavy environments that are actually slowing down our mitochondria.
01:12:58.000 Slowing down our metabolism and it's created.
01:13:02.000 He's likened it to asbestos.
01:13:04.000 What light bulbs do you recommend we get at home?
01:13:07.000 Infrared, if you can get them, incandescent are always going to be the best.
01:13:11.000 That was a really fascinating conversation.
01:13:14.000 I loved it.
01:13:15.000 Hopefully, you guys get it at home too.
01:13:16.000 Standard time forever.
01:13:18.000 Yes, standard time it sounds.
01:13:19.000 Team standard time.
01:13:20.000 See you guys tomorrow.
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