00:00:53.000We will not embrace the ideas that have destroyed countries, destroyed lives, and we are going to fight for freedom on campuses across the country.
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00:03:34.000And I will say this: I am very, very biased.
00:03:38.000Vivek Ramaswamy, on multiple occasions, has changed his schedule to come to our turning point events when Ron DeSantis would not be bothered to do so.
00:06:18.000The IBM 10 Commandments, one of them is that black people cannot be racist.
00:06:23.000And so we've built our entire society and the consequences of our actions without anybody being able to tell you what actually this word means.
00:07:23.000And there, if your answer is yes, then tell me why, because then you must yield back to a definition, a definition of which people can not give you.
00:07:33.000And if they give you a definition, it is completely and totally across the board.
00:07:48.000And yet the expectation is that being racist is the worst thing in the world.
00:07:52.000And then when you ask them what being racist is, they say, you know it when you see it.
00:07:57.000You cannot treat something as the worst crime ever if nobody actually knows what it is.
00:08:03.000The line has to be clear, which is why I would love one day, and one day this will happen, a reporter will come and ask me, I'll just say, hey, Abby Jones for the New York Times, what is racism?
00:08:13.000I'm going to ask this question all spring on our campus tour.
00:09:23.000The African-American Smithsonian Museum in an official document that was published back during Floyd Apalooza, and they don't want you to mention this.
00:09:32.000And by the way, it was not just like some errant tweet.
00:09:36.000This was a very well-put together, graphically designed document where they say aspects and assumptions of whiteness and white culture in the United States.
00:09:46.000For example, time, following rigid time schedules, racist.
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00:12:55.000By what definition do you put forward and the standard that we live under?
00:13:01.000So I'll give you the definition of racism as it should be: a person acting against another person based on something they cannot change, such as their skin color.
00:13:22.000Dennis Prager is one of the most articulate individuals on this topic, where he says, it means nothing to me if in private in your car you might say something negative about the Jews.
00:13:34.000How do you treat me is far more important.
00:13:38.000Now, some people say your negative sentiments might actually blur into your public actions.
00:13:44.000They can, but I'm sure all of us have said things in Road Rage or other private settings that you did not necessarily always mean.
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00:18:53.000I'm going to play the piece of tape, but first, I just want to say you have been exceptional in making time for us at Turning Point at Turning Point USA and Turning Point Action.
00:19:32.000The reality is, I condemn vicious racial discrimination in this country.
00:19:36.000But the kind of vicious and systematic racial discrimination we see today is discrimination on the basis of race in a very different direction.
00:20:14.000But anyway, in the back of that, she then says, okay, well, if you're going to accept Steve King's endorsement, then can you denounce white supremacy?
00:20:21.000Why have you not denounced white supremacy if you're accepting the endorsement of this white supremacist?
00:20:26.000And the really hard reality is these people can't even define what white supremacy is.
00:20:30.000People on the left now say that punctuality or even the written word is a vestige of white supremacy.
00:20:36.000So the term has lost its meaning entirely.
00:20:39.000And so what I told her is, look, this has become a new religion.
00:20:41.000I'm not going to recite the catechism.
00:21:03.000But the kind of racism we see right now most rampantly is reverse racism, affirmative action.
00:21:08.000And if you want to want to end discrimination on the basis of race, then stop discriminating for God's sake on the basis of race and obsessing over it.
00:21:41.000They want to be O'Brien on top of Winston.
00:21:43.000And when you say actually no, like those two words don't mean what you think they mean.
00:21:50.000For example, according to the National Museum for African American History, this is a federal government-funded museum.
00:21:58.000They say that showing up on time, planning for the future, having hard work, using the scientific method, speaking properly, and writing things down is white supremacy.
00:22:28.000So, I mean, he was actually one of the guys who was talking about building the wall long before it was cool to talk about building the wall, laid the foundation for much of the America First Movement that we actually respect and appreciate today.
00:22:40.000They tarred him as a right white supremacist or racist back then for saying things like build the wall.
00:22:54.000And I think that he's not a white supremacist or anything else they've tarred him with either.
00:22:58.000But it takes somebody right now and the utter lack of self-awareness that this Washington Post reporter had is astounding that she's criticizing Steve King for being some kind of white supremacist for just coming out and endorsing some brown guy named Vivek Ramaswamy.
00:23:13.000Their lack of self-awareness continues to perplex me.
00:23:17.000But I think that we can't bend the knee to this religion.
00:23:22.000And I think that if I'm president, one of the things I'm saying is we're using the law to say that this is a civil rights violation right now at university corporate America when they're forcing employees to bend down to this new DEI religion.
00:23:37.000That's a civil rights violation because this meets the Supreme Court's test for what counts as a religion.
00:23:42.000And so, if they're going to say people can't be forced to bow down to any other religion, a cross or anything else, they shouldn't be forced to bow down to this one either.
00:23:50.000And I would use the Department of Justice to apply the standards even-handedly, which we've failed to do in this country for a long time.
00:23:57.000But if there's one thing that comes out of this campaign that I've enjoyed the most, it is holding the media accountable for their own lies and their lack of self-awareness is astounding, but the rest of the country at least gets to see it for what it is.
00:24:09.000And at the very least, that's what I'm doing in this campaign.
00:24:12.000So, Vivek, walk us through because what you've done, I mean, you've become completely unshackled.
00:24:28.000Well, I would say man up a little bit.
00:24:30.000And if they call you a racist, then deal with it.
00:24:32.000And I don't mean to just sort of Charlie to be like rude or mean to an audience member.
00:24:36.000I'm not minimizing what that is in the culture.
00:24:38.000But in a certain sense, if you have a bunch of people that are bending the knee to say that if you're called the R word and that's a scarlet letter that you're tarred with, open your eyes to the fact that that word doesn't mean anything anymore.
00:24:48.000And most of this country's eyes have been open to that.
00:24:57.000Anti-racism, if you're against that, somehow you're racist.
00:24:59.000When in fact, it's just calling for more institutionalized racism in this country.
00:25:03.000The greatest form of institutional racism in America right now is affirmative action.
00:25:08.000It is literally embedded into the law and into our institutions, allowing for discrimination on the basis of race.
00:25:14.000So when that word stops meaning anything, I think sometimes I can always preach the hard truths to the left, Charlie, but I want to preach it to our own side and our own movement too.
00:25:24.000If people are just going to be scared and bend the knee and worry they're going to be tarred with some label and somehow that affects who they are in their life, you know what?
00:25:32.000You need to level up and man up too and say that if somebody's going to call you that, you know the truth about yourself.
00:25:39.000You have a duty to realize that purpose.
00:25:41.000And if you're going to judge yourself based on what other people call you, then I would say we have to actually take a long, hard look in the mirror first before you point your finger to the left because you're just guilty of the same sin they're committing, but to a lesser degree.
00:25:54.000It's different, not in degree, but in kind.
00:25:56.000And so I don't know, I'm in a bit of a bit of a mood, Charlie.
00:25:59.000You're catching me, but that's what I would say is man up a little bit, and that's how we're going to actually get this country back.
00:26:05.000It also takes so much power away from them.
00:27:27.000Yeah, look, this isn't a conspiracy theory.
00:27:28.000It's just a statement of basic incentives of a political party.
00:27:32.000Look at the Democrats even 10 years ago were saying the displacement of white populations in the United States would lead to lasting electoral majorities.
00:27:39.000So after I sparred with CNN, after one of those debates, we go into the spin room, they're sparring with me and saying that's a conspiracy theory.
00:27:45.000But then she pivots and she says, but even if it wasn't a conspiracy theory, what's so wrong with that policy?
00:27:51.000That shows you they know exactly what they're doing.
00:27:53.000Let's just give away the, take the air cover out and let's have the debate in the open.
00:27:58.000The whole point is this is the Democratic Party's path to lasting electoral majorities.
00:28:11.000It's not any different just because it happens to be at the southern border instead either.
00:28:16.000And so it goes back to that culture of free speech, Charlie.
00:28:18.000If you want to disagree about whether that's good policy or not, fine, let the other side make the argument for why that's a good policy for America and I'll debate them on it.
00:28:25.000But don't say I'm a conspiracy theorist or a racist or a xenophobe or anything else.
00:28:29.000That's just silencing debate using name-calling.
00:28:32.000And the thing for me, Charlie, is I could really care less what name somebody calls me when those names see and I know who I really am.
00:28:41.000And that's what I want to see more of from our own movement is revive that sense of self-confidence.
00:28:45.000They want you to shut up, sit down, do as you're told.
00:28:48.000It's a modern version of slavery, psychological slavery.
00:28:52.000Well, the Emancipation Proclamation of our time comes from our own movement.
00:28:56.000Let's say I don't care what name you called.
00:28:58.000Slavery is a choice to actually bend in the knee to this name-calling behavior.
00:29:02.000If you take that meaning away from those names, they have no power left over you.
00:29:06.000So that'd be my message to our movement.
00:29:08.000Stand up and let's get our country back.
00:29:10.000Vivek, I want to play this piece of tape here of Nimerata talking about illegal immigration.
00:30:11.000I'm going to send you back to your country if you're in this country illegally.
00:30:14.000And I'm not going to apologize for it.
00:30:16.000And I'll engage in that debate, but I don't even want to do that with Nikki Haley because I don't think she's sincere in any of her beliefs, Charlie.
00:30:22.000She's just saying what the super PAC puppet masters need her to say to advance their own agenda.
00:30:27.000And that's the real issue with this woman is she is advancing a toxic ideology that I don't think she actually, I don't think this woman has convictions one way or another.
00:30:36.000And so to engage in debate on the policy merits would assume that she does.
00:30:39.000If I was engaging, if somebody else who I believe at least meant what they said would say, that's what I would say is these people are criminals.
00:30:45.000Call them back, call them out for it and send them back to their country.
00:33:06.000Most important, our children and grandchildren will hold us responsible.
00:33:11.000The vice president and I have supported voting rights since day one of this administration.
00:33:16.000And I ask every American to join me in this cause.
00:33:21.000That's his first campaign ad, Vivek, your response.
00:33:24.000Our response is: it's like George Orwell is rolling over in his grave watching this.
00:33:28.000You want to know who the real threat to democracy is.
00:33:30.000It's not just Joe Biden, it's the managerial class that's popping him up, propping him up, saying that certain people who are running against him for U.S. president, like Donald Trump, need to be taken off a ballot.
00:33:40.000To say that if you express certain opinions in this country, you'll be suppressed by the government using tech companies to do it.
00:33:46.000To say that actually, if you say the wrong thing at a school board meeting, you're a domestic terrorist and we've weaponized our federal police state against you.
00:33:52.000That if you're a peaceful protester of one political persuasion on January 6th on the grounds, you may be held in prison without actually being charged.
00:34:02.000So I say that actually the very people like George Orwell would have predicted who say that they're here to protect democracy are the ones who actually the threats literally to democracy to say that you cannot vote for the person who you want to.
00:34:13.000That's literally what they're trying to do as we head into this year to Donald Trump in the case of Maine or even in Colorado.
00:34:20.000I also saw something interesting today, this morning in the Washington Post of all places, Charlie, was they said that 25% of Americans now believe that the FBI likely did instigate January 6th, and another 26% say that they're not sure.
00:34:33.000That's a majority are either not sure or who believe that the FBI did.
00:34:37.000And they're fretting over how they're actually going to correct this level of blatant misinformation.
00:34:43.000The very same people who told you the same thing when people in this country knew that COVID began in a lab in China.
00:34:49.000So we have a government that has systematically lied to the people.
00:34:54.000I think that's what we got to see, Charlie, is he's just a puppet.
00:34:57.000And the people who are propping him up as their puppet, they're going to trot out a new puppet.
00:35:00.000I used to think it was going to be Gavin Newsom or Michelle Obama.
00:35:03.000I'm increasingly convinced it's just Nikki Haley and they're going to do it in the guise of the Republican Party competition.
00:35:09.000But whatever it is, that managerial industrial complex underneath Biden that's propping him up, it's like an Orwellian machine that will feed you.
00:35:18.000You know, peace is war, war is peace, and democracy is autocracy.
00:35:23.000And we got to be able to see through it.
00:35:25.000So I find it laughable personally, but I think a lot of Americans, and we do live in a nation of sheep right now, unfortunately, a nation of sheep is what breeds a government of wolves, and that's what we have today.
00:35:40.000I look at this advertisement, and it feels like a declaration of war.
00:35:44.000It's not like a hopeful, inspiring, here's what I've done, but it's as if Christopher Nolan was making a trailer about the regime versus the people and the people are being framed as Nazis.
00:35:58.000Just like the framing of it and the cinematography and the coloring, it's like really heavy.
00:36:05.000I mean, Vivek, is it too far to say that this current government is almost waging a soft war against the citizens?
00:36:14.000I don't think that's a stretch to frame it that way, Charlie.
00:36:16.000To the contrary, I think the real divide in this country is between that managerial class, the unaccountable bureaucrats in the federal government that have propped up Biden and the everyday citizen.
00:36:48.000It is between a set of people in this country who hate our country and what it stands for and the majority of us, we the people, who love the United States of America and our founding ideals.
00:37:03.000I'll say there's no middle ground here between free speech and censorship.
00:37:08.000There's no middle ground between merit and group quotas, between American exceptionalism and apologizing for who we are.
00:37:15.000You can't have both of those things at the same time.
00:37:18.000And so in a certain sense, what is a war?
00:37:20.000A war is where there's no mutual middle ground between the two options.
00:37:25.000And one side is using force to perpetuate its views over the other.
00:37:29.000They're not using free speech in open debate.
00:37:31.000They've resorted to using force, weaponization of our financial markets, increasingly weaponization of our federal police state and the justice system.
00:37:38.000And so in some sense, Charlie, he's asking you to see exactly how they see it.
00:39:06.000I'm trusting the people of this country to tell the difference between a super PAC puppet and somebody who's actually sharing their true convictions.
00:39:14.000But I'll also tell you something about this year, Charlie.
00:39:16.000I think we're very, for better or worse, early in this race.
00:39:20.000And I think this system, these people, they are making clearer by the day.
00:39:32.000And I'm increasingly clear, it seems to me at least, Charlie, that they want to narrow this down to a two-horse race between Nikki Haley and Donald Trump, do whatever it takes, stopping at nothing to eliminate Trump from contention, and then trot in their puppet.
00:39:45.000And so I have an obligation to this country to make sure that doesn't happen.
00:39:49.000I don't want people to fall for that trap.
00:39:52.000I think they're selling us the rope today that they will use to hang us tomorrow.
00:40:01.000And so we love Donald Trump and a lot of people here on the ground who I'm meeting do too.
00:40:05.000But this movement cannot end with this man.
00:40:08.000He got this fight started, but whatever way this goes, it is our job to finish it.
00:40:13.000And so all I'm saying for people right now heading into this year is I think this is going to be a year with, I think, some very uncomfortable realities as the system tries to foist on us an outcome that we, the people, could not want.
00:40:28.000And so it's up to us to be alert to that and make sure we don't fall for that trap.
00:40:33.000And I'm going to be in this to the very end to make sure that we don't fall into that trap and we can take America first to the next level.
00:40:39.000Just add a little bit more context just as we close here.
00:40:42.000Vivek, how much money have you put into this race of your own hard-earned money?
00:41:01.000And yes, even for our family, that doesn't make a big difference, but the inheritance we want to give our kids isn't a bunch of green pieces of paper.
00:41:08.000What's the point of that if they don't even have a country left to live in?
00:41:13.000And I do think if we don't get this right in the next five years, 10 years, max, maybe more like five years, I don't think we have a country left, actually.
00:41:22.000And so I've done more events on the ground than all the other campaigns combined.
00:41:26.000We will have done 330 events here just in Iowa.
00:41:29.000That's more than all the other campaigns combined.
00:41:31.000I've put by far more of my own personal wealth into this campaign than all of the other candidates combined.
00:41:37.000And so, yeah, I'm not doing that to just go through the motions for whatever other theories different people have about me.
00:41:42.000I'm here to speak the truth, do the right thing for our country.
00:41:45.000I'm going to do my part and I'm going to ask the people to do theirs.
00:41:48.000And I think that's how we get our country back.
00:41:50.000You could tell a lot whether or not somebody puts their money where their mouth is.