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00:01:33.000Hey, everybody, welcome to this episode of the Charlie Kirk Show.
00:01:35.000With us today is Peter Navarro, one of the most important people that served in the Trump administration and was loyal to the president to the very end, which was somewhat of a rarity.
00:01:56.000Peter, welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show.
00:01:59.000Charlie, my friend, hey, look, before we get started, I just want to commend you for building arguably the most important platform for the future of conservatism in the Republican Party.
00:02:13.000You are able to harness the young folks of America.
00:02:19.000These are the people who, because of the policies of the globalists, the Biden regime, and others, are being treated essentially like serfs.
00:03:27.000And what happened in that Wuhan lab with the pandemic?
00:03:32.000And there's all sorts of heroes, but there's a lot of villains in Trump Time as well.
00:03:36.000So I want to talk about the villains because that's more interesting and I think more important, especially as we think about what kind of conservative movement do we want to build long term, the MAGA movement, the nationalist movement in a good way.
00:03:49.000Let's talk, let's just pick about one of those things one by one.
00:03:53.000Let's talk about the election first 11-3, which I was not overly shocked, but very disappointed that Republican governors in certain swing states were so unprepared for the deluge of mail and ballots for the changing in voter laws.
00:04:10.000How is it that, how is it, Peter, that the Trump campaign, not President Trump, but parts of the campaign and the Republican Party were so unprepared for what the Democrats did to us on Election Day?
00:04:24.000Yeah, that's a great, great question, Charlie.
00:04:26.000And just as we talk today, I'm not going to be coy about things for no other reason.
00:04:34.000However, then the book's coming out not till November 3rd, and I'm under some obligation not to reveal too much.
00:04:41.000Having said that, there's several chapters in the book that address what essentially was the incompetence at some point with the campaign, but also I think the treachery.
00:04:55.000And there's people in there who were basically trying to run the show, didn't do a very good job.
00:05:02.000But after November 3rd, when push came to shove, when we really should have been contesting the election like happened with Bush v. Gore, they were caught with their pants down.
00:05:15.000And they compounded the errors I talk about in Trump Time by not putting their pants back up when it came time.
00:05:23.000And there's a, you know, I let that go for a few weeks after the election because that wasn't my lane.
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00:08:57.000So I hadn't been there nearly as much as you, but I remember being there in July of last summer, and he was getting phone calls from operatives in Georgia saying there's nothing to worry about in the mail and ballots.
00:09:10.000And the president's instincts were, no, there is something wrong with this.
00:09:14.000And I did my part and obviously failed miserably to try to tell him that he was being lied to by certain operatives in Georgia.
00:09:22.000And as we know, we were proven right because Brian Kemp secretly and privately signed a consent decree with Stacey Abrams, relaxing the signature threshold as we go from 248,000 ballots to 1.2 million ballots.
00:09:35.000I know you talk about this in your book, and you have to kind of maneuver through that.
00:09:39.000So we have to have you back on our program once the book is public.
00:09:42.000But can you talk about that, Peter, on how the president's instincts were correct the whole time and he seemed to be undermined?
00:10:02.000I mean, she knew what was going on, but she was battling people both down in Georgia as well as people inside the White House.
00:10:11.000And I think that there was a lack of ability to see very clearly just how treacherous that Brian Kemp and Raffensberger were.
00:10:25.000Here's, you know, if you peel back the curtain here on how they stole it, one of the themes in the book in Trump Time is how they captured Charlie, the secretaries of state position across the country.
00:10:42.000Most people think of that as a down ballot position that doesn't have much consequence.
00:10:49.000It's maybe a stepping stone for lieutenant governor or governor in most days.
00:10:53.000But no, The Democrats understood very clearly that it's the secretaries of state that run the election process.
00:11:02.000And if you can grab those folks and get them on your side, they can help you steal elections.
00:11:10.000So I go into detail about what happened in Michigan, what happened in Pennsylvania with the secretaries of state.
00:11:18.000They were Democrats, but I mean, in Arizona and Georgia, Charlie, those are Republicans, right?
00:11:27.000Those are Republicans that screwed the president.
00:12:13.000Because they're controlled by corporate donors.
00:12:17.000Down in Georgia, it's Coca-Cola and Delta that run politics down there.
00:12:23.000And what they want to do is send our jobs offshore.
00:12:26.000They like open borders because it's cheap labor.
00:12:30.000They don't really care about endless wars other than the fact that maybe it's good for the defense industry.
00:12:38.000And this is what the battle is about, right?
00:12:43.000And you saw very clearly, Charlie, who abandoned ship after November 3rd.
00:12:48.000You indicated at the beginning of this discussion, you saw that there were very few people who remained loyal to the president because they thought he was weakened and dead, but he's coming back, right?
00:13:01.000Because the power of his ideas are really what's grabbing this nation.
00:13:07.000And we're seeing now, look, elections have consequences, Charlie.
00:13:10.000Stolen elections have particularly dire consequences.
00:13:14.000So let's talk on that because it seems that so many people in the Republican Party are afraid to talk about how this last election was conducted illegally.
00:13:23.000And you have been one of the few people that have been willing to articulate this in a way that the common man can understand in the different buckets.
00:13:34.000You just start with social media interference, about how the tech companies didn't allow us to spread the Hunter Biden story.
00:13:40.000And you talked about the ballots issues, and you talked about the counting issues, and you just talked about the administrative issues of how the whole election was conducted illegally and the $400 million from Mark Zuckerberg.
00:13:50.000At the very least, the most innocent reading is that this was the most interfered with election in American history in an unprecedented way.
00:13:59.000And yet you go a level deeper, all of a sudden, you say at a pretty moderate reading, this thing was conducted fraudulently.
00:14:07.000And the conclusion is one that you and I believe that it was taken from the president, but was at the very least done in a way that we don't even know the winner.
00:14:28.000And in my, what I called the Navarro report, and I did that not out of ego, but simply to make sure that it was clearly identified as an action outside my White House duties.
00:14:42.000That's why we call it the Navarro report, the three-volume report.
00:14:46.000And what's really interesting is that those three volumes, the tables in there, were used basically subsequent as a template for these audits that were done in Arizona.
00:16:31.000It means that we know for a fact that Biden, Trump won at the ballot box.
00:16:41.000Biden won in the absentee ballots, at least some of us were cast.
00:16:47.000So there's like a two-to-one to three-to-one margin that Biden holds in these absentee ballots.
00:16:53.000So if you take 50,000 illegal ones out, right, that's a two-to-one or three-to-one swing from Trump.
00:17:01.000And right there, those ballots alone, Charlie, by the Navarro report math, say that Trump won Arizona.
00:17:09.000And that's that, they're just getting started.
00:17:13.000Did you know that if you shop at Nike, they turn around and give your hard-earned dollars to pro-abortion groups like Planned Parenthood and the Population Council?
00:17:22.000Did you know that Airbnb gave $500,000 to the Marxist BLM Incorporated Organization?
00:17:30.000Your first vote is at the ballot box, but that isn't enough to defend our traditional Judeo-Christian values.
00:17:37.000Left-wing corporations who are woke are subverting our nation and our republic by taking money from conservative customers and giving it to radical organizations that support abortion, gun control, and critical race theory.
00:17:53.000You have another vote, a second vote at the checkout line, which is why there's a massively important organization called Second Vote that comes in.
00:19:52.000I always say it's the canvas, not the count, Charlie.
00:19:54.000Yes, it's like there was like the left-wing press, um, and even like the Wall Street Journal and Fox seized upon a little piece of that news from Arizona to say that there was nothing in the count that indicated that Trump won.
00:20:14.000Well, the point really was it was the canvas.
00:20:17.000It's like if you've got like a million votes counted and then you recount them and you still got a million votes, that's the count.
00:20:26.000But if 20% of those votes are illegal, that's the canvas.
00:21:02.000And I think when people get to the end of in Trump time, they're going to realize that Fauci lied and Americans died and that he's likely responsible for the pandemic and he needs to be gone.
00:21:14.000They're going to find out that Trump won the election.
00:21:16.000They're going to find out basically all the things that China, communist China, has to do with all of this.
00:21:24.000So talk about being in the White House with the serpent around you, Fauci.
00:21:30.000And some people would say, and I just have to, I defend the president in this regard, even though I think that one adjustment could have been very helpful.
00:21:39.000Some people say, why didn't he fire Fauci?
00:21:41.000I think that would have been a mistake because that would have created a martyr on the outside.
00:21:44.000Do I think that he should have tried to put him on a committee and try to lessen his impact?
00:21:49.000I think keeping Fauci around the White House was something that actually benefited the other side of the regime.
00:21:55.000Can you talk about how treacherous this man is, how he manipulated the government, quite honestly, how he was able to lie to President Trump?
00:22:04.000Well, there's some great scenes in the book.
00:22:08.000I tried to write the book for the ear rather than the eye.
00:22:12.000So it's like we're having a conversation, but I also try to make it cinematic as well.
00:22:18.000And there's a number of showdowns I have with Fauci.
00:22:21.000And his second chapter really is my first encounter with Fauci in the Situation Room.
00:22:27.000And here's, you know, I didn't know him beforehand.
00:22:31.000I had no preconceptions about him at all.
00:22:36.000And that was a meeting about the China travel ban.
00:22:38.000And by the time I got to the end of the meeting, I thought to myself, this is a man who thinks he's smarter than he is.
00:22:46.000He's arrogant, full of hubris, and he's going to stab the president in the back.
00:22:50.000And that was on January 28th, 2020, Charlie.
00:22:54.000And that was based on 30 minutes in the situation room.
00:22:58.000Take I weighed and measure him, and he came up wanting.
00:23:02.000And there would be spots all through writing up to Election Day.
00:23:08.000And I show this in the book in detail.
00:23:10.000I tell you, Charlie, by the time people get reading and finish reading in Trump time, Sherry Markson's book, What Happened, Wuhan, and Robert Kennedy's book about Fauci and the source of the Wuhan lab.
00:23:24.000If that guy still has a job, then this country and this country's media is even more screwed up than you and I believe it is.
00:23:33.000And we believe it's really screwed up because Fauci, I mean, at every turn, at every turn, he tried to stick knives in the back and chest of the president of the United States.
00:23:46.000So to feather his own nest and big pharma's nest.
00:23:49.000Yeah, and I'm not trying to get into the coulda, woulda, shoulda stuff.
00:24:04.000And so I do want to ask the question, though, because there was a movement led by you as we found out that this came from China to stop some sort of a movement to try and make China pay for the virus.
00:24:18.000There was a potential legislative effort.
00:24:20.000Now, the rumor, Mill of my sources, which are nowhere nearly like yours because you actually lived it, is that Mnuchin and some people in the treasury got in the way of this and said this will tank the market.
00:24:33.000Is it true that there was a movement that was stopped to try to hold China accountable while President Trump was in office?
00:24:41.000Yeah, there's a whole two chapters in the book about the arc of my attempt to get an executive order signed that would have created a presidential commission to examine the origins of the virus,
00:24:59.000the costs of the virus, and Charlie, also how China, communist China, is using the virus as we speak to further their geopolitical advantage.
00:25:12.000For example, Hong Kong, on that note, Hong Kong would still be free today if not for the Communist Chinese Party virus.
00:25:22.000Because the CCP used the virus to lock protesters into their apartments, prevent them from protesting, and with no one on the streets, they basically took their jack boots and put the hammer down.
00:25:38.000Mnuchin, by the time you get to the end of the book, I think it'll be a toss-up as to whether Fauci or Mnuchin did more damage to this Republic than this president.
00:26:07.000He's a bad dude, and you'll see that in Trump time, big time.
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00:27:19.000Well, and what's so disappointing is that despite what we believe happened with the mail-in ballots and all the process, I think that this was a failed opportunity politically to create a necessary villain in the midst of suffering.
00:27:34.000And the media knew this and the corporate class knew this because when people are suffering, they need a villain.
00:29:00.000There's blood on the Chinese Communist Party hands.
00:29:03.000And so far, all of those folks are skating free of blame because the game, Charlie, was to blame Donald Trump for all the woes afflicting us.
00:29:15.000Now we see, hey, Joe Biden, hey, Joe, it's harder than it looks.
00:29:52.000And I could tell you guys, I visited the White House a couple dozen times, and I got to know some people all over the White House in the Eisenhower executive building, where I believe, Peter, you had a whole office there.
00:30:04.000And Peter was one of the only people that would constantly be trying to actually fulfill the mandate of why Donald Trump got elected.
00:30:16.000And I don't want to spoil any parts of the book, and I don't want to get anything wrong, but I could name plenty of names of people in the White House.
00:30:24.000And I played nice with everybody because it just wasn't my role.
00:31:07.000And, you know, it was the tragedy of the administration.
00:31:14.000And I know the president will get this right when he wins in 2024.
00:31:19.000But, you know, we had Mattis, we had Tillerson, we had Mnuchin, we had Kelly.
00:31:28.000We had all sorts of people who really did not support the Trump agenda and, in many cases, actively undermined it, did not obey the chain of command, particularly ironic for the military guys, the Mattis and the Kellys.
00:31:42.000I mean, the chain of command is supposed to be everything.
00:31:45.000Here you had the commander-in-chief, and they wouldn't follow orders.
00:32:19.000Look, during the 2016 campaign, I was the top economic and trade advisor, and I developed this mantra, which became kind of the mantra of the administration.
00:32:32.000It was like four points of the policy compass to drive growth.
00:32:36.000And it was corporate tax cuts to bring investment on shore.
00:32:44.000It was strategic energy dominance so that we could have cheap energy.
00:35:04.000And we've won some battles and lost some battles.
00:35:06.000I've been stunned, honestly, Peter, at how many Republicans have been okay with these forced vaccinations.
00:35:11.000Okay, you have a tough stop, a hard stop, and so do we in two minutes.
00:35:14.000Speak to the everyday man, the common citizen.
00:35:16.000They buy your book in Trump Time, which they need to do.
00:35:18.000What can they do from now to 2022 and 2024?
00:35:22.000Because people's patience is wearing thin.
00:35:25.000Yeah, well, the canon of Bannon is a report in Trump Time is action, action, action.
00:35:32.000So paying attention to what Turning Point USA is doing.
00:35:36.000I'm a guest host a lot on C. Bannon's war room pandemic.
00:35:40.000We have all sorts of action items for people to do to get involved at the local politics level, to take over the Republican Party in the name of Trumpism, to force full forensic audits, to get to the bottom of the truth.
00:35:55.000It's important that the young folk here, not just bitch and moan on social media, that they get out and get involved because you guys are the future, Charlie.
00:36:07.000And if you want a great future, you're going to have to help shape it with Trumpism and Donald Trump.
00:36:15.000And so that would be my advice: action, action, action, get involved.
00:36:21.000And it's sure been nice talking to you.