The Charlie Kirk Show - December 05, 2024


Where Does Morality Come From? More Questions at ASU w- George Janko


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George Janko is the President of Turning Point USA, an organization dedicated to fighting for freedom and freedom on college campuses across the country. He is also the Co-Founder and President of the Christian Youth Campaign, a group dedicated to ending homophobia and sexual assault on American college campuses.

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00:01:18.000 Alright, come up to the mic.
00:01:19.000 What's your name?
00:01:20.000 No, come up to the microphone.
00:01:22.000 Calm down.
00:01:23.000 What's your name?
00:01:24.000 My name is Robert Carl Ekman.
00:01:26.000 Now, from back there, nobody can hear you.
00:01:29.000 So can you guys all talk really loud?
00:01:31.000 Can everybody hear me?
00:01:33.000 Can you hear me?
00:01:34.000 Okay.
00:01:35.000 Because literally, I was just a few back and nobody could hear anything I was saying.
00:01:38.000 Then why did you say it was BS if you couldn't hear me?
00:01:40.000 Well, I was right there when I heard you saying it.
00:01:43.000 A little bit further back, I couldn't hear you, but I got a little closer than I heard you.
00:01:48.000 Okay, so what did I say that was BS exactly?
00:01:50.000 Because you're comparing adultery, which is a conscious, immoral decision.
00:01:57.000 And Trump is an adulterer.
00:01:59.000 That's 100%.
00:01:59.000 And it is immoral.
00:02:02.000 It's proven 100%.
00:02:03.000 Gay people do not choose to be gay.
00:02:05.000 I never said that, but you choose to act on the impulse.
00:02:09.000 Why wouldn't you?
00:02:09.000 That's who you are.
00:02:10.000 Okay, but what if someone says, I just chose to cheat on my wife.
00:02:13.000 It's who I am.
00:02:14.000 I just chose to gamble the house away.
00:02:16.000 I'm a gambler.
00:02:17.000 It's just who I am.
00:02:18.000 Hold on.
00:02:18.000 I just chose to rob the bank.
00:02:20.000 It's who I am.
00:02:20.000 What's the difference?
00:02:21.000 You're talking about sexuality.
00:02:22.000 It's like, I can't choose.
00:02:23.000 I'm heterosexual.
00:02:24.000 I have no choice.
00:02:26.000 I like women. 1.00
00:02:26.000 Let's play this out. 1.00
00:02:27.000 Does a pedophile choose to act on their impulse to have sex with kids?
00:02:32.000 How?
00:02:32.000 How dare you compare gay people to pedophiles?
00:02:36.000 They're not pedophiles.
00:02:37.000 I never said that.
00:02:38.000 I'm asking a question.
00:02:40.000 First of all, pedophiles does not necessarily mean that they're doing something wrong.
00:02:48.000 If you're talking about sexual predators, that's different.
00:02:51.000 I'm asking a series of questions of whether or not behavior and impulse are two different things.
00:02:57.000 So you can have a lot of impulses.
00:02:59.000 Acting on them is far more important.
00:03:01.000 And so he asked a question of what my religion teaches.
00:03:04.000 My personal religion believes that marriage is between man and one woman, as God designed and God made male and female. 0.81
00:03:11.000 And you speak for God, I suppose.
00:03:13.000 Look, marriage equality, okay, they want to limit marriage. 0.87
00:03:17.000 Who died and made you king that you could say it's between a marriage room?
00:03:20.000 I say it's about two people who love each other.
00:03:23.000 Give me a second.
00:03:23.000 Hold on a second.
00:03:24.000 Don't interrupt me.
00:03:25.000 I say it's between.
00:03:27.000 Our way is an expansive way.
00:03:29.000 We include everybody.
00:03:30.000 Because everybody can get married.
00:03:31.000 You can get married.
00:03:32.000 You don't have to be gay. 0.98
00:03:33.000 You don't have to get gay married.
00:03:35.000 Can an adult marry a nine-year-old? 0.84
00:03:37.000 Oh, God!
00:03:38.000 Give me a f***ing break! 1.00
00:03:40.000 That's a stupid argument!
00:03:42.000 Can an adult marry a nine-year-old? 0.84
00:03:43.000 Love is love, right?
00:03:45.000 I thought you said love is love.
00:03:46.000 No, it's between two consenting adults.
00:03:49.000 Got it.
00:03:50.000 So, just want to make sure we're clear on the definition.
00:03:53.000 Can you calm down a little bit, though?
00:03:54.000 You're coming out really, really hard.
00:03:56.000 So, again, I don't speak for God.
00:03:58.000 I read what God has told us in his scriptures.
00:04:01.000 And there's a lot of scriptures.
00:04:03.000 Well, first of all, in Leviticus 18, it says a man shall not lie with another man as he does a woman. 0.98
00:04:07.000 In Genesis 1, God created man and woman and created man for woman and woman for man.
00:04:12.000 In Matthew, it's repeated by Christ our Lord that says that a man will leave his father and cling to his wife.
00:04:18.000 And so marriage is a biblical idea.
00:04:21.000 You don't have to recite the whole thing.
00:04:23.000 It doesn't matter because that's your...
00:04:25.000 Religion has nothing to do with marriage equality.
00:04:29.000 It's about equality.
00:04:30.000 It's about you marry who you love because the state, the state, it's separation of powers.
00:04:36.000 Hold on, let me talk.
00:04:37.000 You're not addressing what he asked.
00:04:39.000 He said, why do I believe it?
00:04:40.000 Because I believe the scriptures are divinely inspired.
00:04:43.000 That's it.
00:04:43.000 Okay.
00:04:44.000 So you want to make legislation because of...
00:04:47.000 We haven't even got into legislation yet.
00:04:48.000 But I am curious, though.
00:04:50.000 Where do you get your morality from?
00:04:52.000 What book?
00:04:53.000 What author?
00:04:54.000 Where do you decide what is right or wrong?
00:04:56.000 I, the Bible.
00:04:56.000 How about you?
00:04:57.000 Where do you get your morality from?
00:04:59.000 My belief in the Supreme Being.
00:05:01.000 I have a spiritual path that I've been on, and I've been on it for decades.
00:05:04.000 So where does it show that murder is wrong?
00:05:08.000 We just know it instinctively that it's wrong.
00:05:11.000 Why is it wrong?
00:05:12.000 We just know it instinctively?
00:05:14.000 The Nazis believed murder was right. 0.99
00:05:15.000 Why were they wrong?
00:05:16.000 I don't need your book to tell me it's wrong.
00:05:18.000 I just need morality based on all scripture, based on human decency.
00:05:24.000 What scripture?
00:05:26.000 But what scripture?
00:05:27.000 What book are you referencing?
00:05:28.000 If you look at all scripture from all religions, Buddhism, Quran, they all say that murder is wrong.
00:05:34.000 They all say adultery is wrong.
00:05:35.000 In the Quran, it says it's okay to murder in the name of Allah. 1.00
00:05:39.000 So are you advocating for murder?
00:05:41.000 No, actually.
00:05:42.000 What are you advocating for?
00:05:44.000 I'm not.
00:05:45.000 I... Next!
00:05:48.000 Next!
00:05:50.000 Next!
00:05:50.000 Wait a minute!
00:05:51.000 I'm trying to get to some common ground here and understand where you're coming from.
00:05:55.000 Does anybody out there believe that murder is good because it was in those older scriptures?
00:06:02.000 Yes.
00:06:05.000 Here's what I'm getting at.
00:06:06.000 If you do not have an objective standard...
00:06:11.000 That is written and agreed upon, then who is to say that murder, theft, adultery, these things are wrong?
00:06:17.000 It's not naturally built into us, is it?
00:06:19.000 Look, you could be totally atheist and know they are wrong. 0.96
00:06:21.000 It's just instinctive human nature because, hold on, the supreme being is in all of us right now.
00:06:28.000 God, or the supreme being, or the intelligent designer, whatever you want to call it, is vibrating through every single human being here and on planet Earth.
00:06:36.000 And we just know that murder is wrong, plus it's illegal, and You don't want to be murdered.
00:06:41.000 I don't want to be murdered.
00:06:42.000 But if that's the case, why is it that in Mao's China it was okay to kill 40 million people?
00:06:50.000 They're wrong.
00:06:51.000 What do you want me to say?
00:06:53.000 You're going in circles.
00:06:55.000 You're wrong by what standard?
00:06:57.000 The standard is murder is wrong.
00:06:59.000 Everybody knows it just from being instinctual.
00:07:01.000 That's actually not true.
00:07:02.000 Why does it have to be in your Bible?
00:07:04.000 For example, if everybody knows it, why is it okay that we have 1.5 million abortions every year?
00:07:10.000 Okay, that is a woman's choice to choose. 1.00
00:07:15.000 That is a life form in her body. 1.00
00:07:17.000 She can choose.
00:07:18.000 Yes, I get it.
00:07:19.000 I get it.
00:07:20.000 I am pro-life.
00:07:21.000 I am pro-life, but the woman, it's her body. 1.00
00:07:25.000 It's her life form.
00:07:26.000 That's between her and God and her family and doctors. 0.57
00:07:29.000 Hold on, but you think murder should be illegal.
00:07:30.000 Why shouldn't murder be illegal in the womb? 1.00
00:07:33.000 Because who says that it's murder?
00:07:36.000 It's a baby in the womb.
00:07:37.000 Wait, hold on.
00:07:39.000 You just said it's a baby in the womb, therefore terminating it would be murder?
00:07:44.000 Look, I agree with the premise that it is a human life in the form of development, and if you let nature take its force, it will come out as a baby and be a human being.
00:07:56.000 But that doesn't make the state—if you want to promote don't have abortions, then you go out, you use your voice, you make speeches, you build coalitions, and you do it.
00:08:06.000 But the government has to stay neutral.
00:08:09.000 But shouldn't— The government cannot invade their privacy.
00:08:11.000 And you know what the worst thing about it is?
00:08:12.000 Is the red states that do it, they torture people, they torture women by not letting them get medical care. 0.94
00:08:19.000 Should the government remain neutral on a mother being allowed to murder her two-year-old?
00:08:27.000 Yes, once it's outside, yes.
00:08:30.000 Wait, no, I said remain neutral.
00:08:32.000 No, of course not, of course not.
00:08:34.000 Because it's outside the womb.
00:08:36.000 You've got to explain to me, what is the moral difference?
00:08:38.000 What is the moral difference between a baby in the womb and outside the womb?
00:08:42.000 Why does the baby get moral worth once it gets out of the womb?
00:08:47.000 Look, I agree with you.
00:08:48.000 I agree with the premise.
00:08:50.000 It is a life form growing in there.
00:08:51.000 But then why shouldn't it be illegal?
00:08:53.000 If we have murder laws for babies outside the womb, we should have murder laws for a baby inside the womb. 0.99
00:08:59.000 It doesn't work.
00:09:01.000 It doesn't work.
00:09:01.000 What do you mean it doesn't work?
00:09:02.000 Because women have to make the choice. 1.00
00:09:04.000 Hold on.
00:09:04.000 Do murder laws work for kindergartners?
00:09:07.000 There can be some restrictions up to a certain number of weeks.
00:09:10.000 Okay?
00:09:10.000 Maybe 15, maybe 20 weeks.
00:09:12.000 I agree with that.
00:09:12.000 But until...
00:09:15.000 Okay, obviously partial birth abortion, I don't agree with that.
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00:10:09.000 There's a lot of suffering for women if they are forced to have babies. 1.00
00:10:13.000 The suffering for the fetuses.
00:10:15.000 Yeah, but how about the suffering for the babies that are being aborted?
00:10:17.000 But hold on, you say the baby's not alive.
00:10:20.000 Not you, he did.
00:10:21.000 But again, it's okay.
00:10:22.000 The point is that here's the issue with abortion.
00:10:25.000 It's the only issue where we have a different moral framework that doesn't apply to every other part of life.
00:10:30.000 So you say everyone knows murder is wrong, yet we can't agree that we should not murder the unborn through government laws.
00:10:36.000 So if our government laws prohibit the ability to go into a school and shoot a kid, shouldn't the government laws prohibit the ability to kill the kid when it's still in utero?
00:10:46.000 Not when it comes to reproductive rights.
00:10:48.000 And I get it.
00:10:49.000 I get it.
00:10:50.000 Now, when they abort the baby, it's bad.
00:10:56.000 It's suffering for the fetus, possibly.
00:10:59.000 But wait a minute.
00:11:00.000 I don't know what the answer is.
00:11:03.000 The answer is to make it illegal the same way we've made murder illegal and slavery illegal because laws are a reflection of morality.
00:11:10.000 This is the life.
00:11:11.000 Why can't you just leave it up to women to make those moral choices? 1.00
00:11:14.000 Because it's her life form.
00:11:16.000 Because we would not leave it up to women to be able to murder their two-year-old. 0.94
00:11:18.000 Because the state has a role to protect those that can't protect themselves.
00:11:22.000 That is the fundamental reason we have government, right?
00:11:27.000 I agree.
00:11:28.000 I still think the woman has to make those choices. 1.00
00:11:33.000 And I would not be opposed to legislation that made it very clear, but what you can't do is limit healthcare.
00:11:40.000 Abortion is not healthcare.
00:11:42.000 Final question.
00:11:42.000 Oh, it's not.
00:11:43.000 One woman is dead.
00:11:46.000 Final question.
00:11:47.000 Do you think that abortion should be legal if you find out your kid has Down syndrome?
00:11:54.000 If they have Down syndrome, it depends what the doctor says.
00:11:58.000 If they're not going to survive, then they should not abort.
00:12:02.000 No, I'm saying they shouldn't abort.
00:12:03.000 They shouldn't abort it just because it has that, just because it has Down syndrome.
00:12:06.000 No.
00:12:07.000 Okay, well, it's currently legal to do that in America.
00:12:09.000 Should it be legal to terminate a baby if you find out you're having a girl but you want a boy?
00:12:14.000 No.
00:12:15.000 We have moral agreement on that, then, because that's currently also legal in America.
00:12:19.000 The debate over reproductive rights, we can have it, and we can have a federal law that we can all agree on, whether it's a 15-week or a 20-week.
00:12:27.000 Now, what do you see it as?
00:12:30.000 Zero?
00:12:30.000 Abolish all abortion, yeah.
00:12:31.000 So as soon as the baby is conceived, when it's just an egg?
00:12:35.000 By the way, you keep on calling it a baby, which I appreciate, because since you keep calling it a baby, it means that you are murdering the baby.
00:12:43.000 And again, I know George wants to get in here, which is that we call it a baby shower for a reason, not a fetus shower.
00:12:51.000 When a pregnant woman is unfortunately killed in a homicide, it's a double homicide because we recognize that as a life. 0.81
00:13:00.000 And yet with an abortion, it's just a clump of cells.
00:13:03.000 We are morally confused on this topic, and we should make abortion illegal in every circumstance. 0.93
00:13:07.000 Thank you very much.
00:13:08.000 We'll get to the next question.
00:13:09.000 Thank you.
00:13:10.000 Yeah, thank you.
00:13:11.000 What about, I want to talk about Trump.
00:13:13.000 Yeah, no thanks.
00:13:14.000 We're good.
00:13:15.000 Get off the mic! 0.96
00:13:17.000 Get off the mic! 0.96
00:13:19.000 Thank you.
00:13:20.000 So you don't care about his gross immorality?
00:13:24.000 I mean, look, I would imagine, hold on, hold on.
00:13:27.000 So you're voting for Kamala Harris?
00:13:28.000 Absolutely.
00:13:29.000 What is Kamala Harris's, what is her greatest accomplishment?
00:13:33.000 She's a normal person with normal ideas, but she's done all kinds.
00:13:39.000 She's done great things.
00:13:41.000 So can you name one accomplishment?
00:13:44.000 Name one thing!
00:13:46.000 All the legislation, the CHIPS Act, the infrastructure bill.
00:13:51.000 Yeah, so her greatest accomplishment is what exactly?
00:13:58.000 She's had some good accomplishments.
00:14:00.000 They passed some great legislation.
00:14:02.000 Trump was in office for the first two years, full code control.
00:14:05.000 He made fun of infrastructure.
00:14:07.000 Roads and bridges were crumbling.
00:14:08.000 He was making fun of infrastructure week.
00:14:13.000 He was making fun of infrastructure week.
00:14:15.000 Two years, and he did nothing.
00:14:17.000 And he ballooned the deficit.
00:14:19.000 Yeah, so if Kamala was such a great president and she's going to do all these things- He's doing good legislation.
00:14:24.000 Why?
00:14:24.000 Again, so if she was going to fix the economy, fix the border, why hasn't she done it already?
00:14:29.000 Well, the economy is doing great.
00:14:31.000 We had a soft- Oh, it is!
00:14:33.000 Oh, come on! 0.99
00:14:35.000 Record stock market!
00:14:36.000 Give me a break.
00:14:37.000 Record stock market.
00:14:39.000 Record job growth.
00:14:40.000 Record jobs.
00:14:42.000 Manufacturing up.
00:14:42.000 Wages up.
00:14:44.000 Someone is lying to you.
00:14:45.000 They are lying to you.
00:14:46.000 How many of you guys can afford a home right now?
00:14:49.000 Nobody.
00:14:50.000 How many of you guys can afford groceries?
00:14:52.000 Oh, that was happening before her.
00:14:53.000 That's been like that for decades.
00:14:55.000 How many illegals has Kamala allowed into the country? 1.00
00:15:00.000 Illegal immigration is not the number one issue.
00:15:02.000 The number one issue is child care, health care.
00:15:05.000 No, I want a number.
00:15:06.000 I want you to guess.
00:15:07.000 How many illegals has she allowed into America? 1.00
00:15:09.000 I know it's millions, but they had a border bill.
00:15:11.000 No, no, no.
00:15:12.000 How many?
00:15:12.000 I don't know the number.
00:15:13.000 I know it's tens of millions.
00:15:15.000 Ten million people.
00:15:16.000 Okay.
00:15:17.000 Greater than 20 U.S. states.
00:15:19.000 How many children are missing in sex slavery right now because of her? 1.00
00:15:23.000 It's not specifically because of her.
00:15:26.000 320,000 kids are missing right now because of her. 0.99
00:15:30.000 Do you know that?
00:15:31.000 I thought you said the number one issue is childcare.
00:15:33.000 You care about kids?
00:15:34.000 Because of her, there are 320,000 missing kids right now in sex slavery in this country. 0.99
00:15:40.000 That is not all her fault.
00:15:42.000 And I didn't do a deep dive to find out whether or not she's responsible for all that.
00:15:48.000 All you know, she's a normal person from middle class.
00:15:50.000 She's smart.
00:15:51.000 And Trump thinks that Hannibal Lecter is a great and wonderful man.
00:15:56.000 Which McDonald's did she work at? 0.67
00:16:00.000 Who gives a s*** whether she worked at McDonald's or not? 1.00
00:16:02.000 All I know is Trump, he sat there for two hours while they...
00:16:06.000 What do you do when the Capitol's under attack?
00:16:08.000 Did you go to the dining room or did you go to the situation room?
00:16:11.000 He went to the dining room, sat there for two hours while they were attacking the Capitol.
00:16:15.000 He put Mike Pence, his vice president, in direct mortal danger at 2.24 p.m.
00:16:20.000 when he lambasted him for not breaking the law.
00:16:25.000 Nobody seems to care about that, huh?
00:16:26.000 Here's your hat.
00:16:28.000 Thank you.
00:16:29.000 We're good.
00:16:30.000 Thank you.
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00:17:44.000 So my question is, it's, I don't believe in systemic racism.
00:17:48.000 However, in 1960, the African Americans born out of wedlock was 15 to 20%.
00:17:54.000 And then nowadays, it's over 70%.
00:17:56.000 And the only difference from what I see is the Great Society Act that was passed, where they're giving welfare to single moms. 0.91
00:18:03.000 So to me, that is a, the only point that I've been thinking about it last night, the only point is the government stepped in and now we have 13% committing to 50. We have a whole entire thing that happened because the government stepped in and did a system program to cause that.
00:18:19.000 Have you ever seen a mother in need to feed her children? 0.92
00:18:22.000 Yep.
00:18:23.000 It's tough, yeah?
00:18:24.000 Yeah.
00:18:25.000 Would you step in and help?
00:18:26.000 Yeah, I think it's up to the churches to help out, not the government.
00:18:30.000 So question, if you have a wife and you had kids.
00:18:33.000 I do have a wife and a kid.
00:18:34.000 So God forbid something happens to you.
00:18:36.000 And you're not involved in a church, but your neighbors know that your wife needs to feed her children.
00:18:42.000 Are you going to be upset with the government stepping in to feed the children's belly?
00:18:46.000 No.
00:18:47.000 But what I'm saying is that the government stepped in, now you have over 70% born out of wedlock, and you have a huge problem. 0.95
00:18:54.000 It's more culture than it is that.
00:18:56.000 So the other thing that has changed is black culture over the last 50, 60 years has changed a lot from what it elevates and what it platforms to the musicians to the cultural figures where, and this is not my word, just check out Thomas Sowell who wrote an entire book on this.
00:19:11.000 You know Thomas Sowell?
00:19:11.000 It's phenomenal literature.
00:19:12.000 I heard you talk about it.
00:19:13.000 Yeah, so I would encourage you to look at that.
00:19:15.000 But you're right.
00:19:16.000 But the other thing I'll say is this though, is that it definitely played an impact in what you're talking about.
00:19:20.000 Huge impact.
00:19:21.000 But it wasn't only that black mothers received it.
00:19:24.000 Is that it helped destroy the white family. 0.81
00:19:25.000 So you're saying culture?
00:19:26.000 I understand what you're saying.
00:19:27.000 Yeah, because the single motherhood program that you're talking about affected all races.
00:19:33.000 It'd be one thing if it was only for black women. 1.00
00:19:35.000 Does that make sense?
00:19:36.000 Yeah, that would be systemic.
00:19:37.000 Bingo.
00:19:37.000 And it wasn't.
00:19:38.000 But you're right.
00:19:39.000 It did have a serious impact on incentivizing and subsidizing single motherhood. 0.55
00:19:44.000 But culture is the number one driver.
00:19:47.000 Thank you.
00:19:47.000 One more question.
00:19:48.000 Also, just to add on to that, I think the government should always step in to help a family out, right?
00:19:52.000 The church should do it as well.
00:19:54.000 But I don't care what religion, what race, what position you place yourself in, if you see a family in need and you do not extend your hand, you're evil to me.
00:20:03.000 And so, like, as long as that family's being fed, there's no reason why we should be debating if this child should be fed if we're giving billions of dollars to someone else.
00:20:13.000 Do you get what I'm saying here?
00:20:14.000 Yeah, but when it comes to feeding, there's no starving kids in America.
00:20:16.000 People are taking advantage.
00:20:18.000 No, there's not.
00:20:18.000 People are taking advantage of the welfare state.
00:20:21.000 They keep applying for jobs.
00:20:23.000 They're not getting a job.
00:20:23.000 Beautiful.
00:20:24.000 Let the government help them.
00:20:25.000 Let the church guide them.
00:20:26.000 All right.
00:20:27.000 Let the church bring them to a foundation of Christ.
00:20:30.000 That's what their job is.
00:20:31.000 Do you want separation of church and state?
00:20:32.000 That's it.
00:20:33.000 Help anybody in need regardless of where they come from, what they look as God, and have the church go show them who Christ is so they can live a godly life.
00:20:41.000 All right.
00:20:42.000 One last question.
00:20:43.000 One last question.
00:20:44.000 SBRs, silencers, and automatic firearms.
00:20:48.000 Should it be legal?
00:20:49.000 I think it should be legal.
00:20:50.000 You don't have to pay a tax stamp to get it.
00:20:53.000 Silencers, absolutely.
00:20:54.000 SBRs, yes.
00:20:55.000 Automatic means it should be a special license, but legal.
00:20:57.000 So it's a $200 tax stamp.
00:20:58.000 They do the same exact background check when you buy a regular firearm.
00:21:02.000 It's just paying money.
00:21:03.000 It's a little bit more extensive.
00:21:04.000 If that's the case, then I stand corrected.
00:21:06.000 But there is a technical difference between what an automatic weapon is and a semi-automatic.
00:21:11.000 You know that.
00:21:12.000 So I'd have to think more deeply about that.
00:21:14.000 Cool.
00:21:14.000 God bless.
00:21:15.000 Have a good day, guys.
00:21:15.000 Have a good one, bro.
00:21:16.000 Thank you.
00:21:16.000 All right.
00:21:17.000 Disagreements, guys, can work up.
00:21:18.000 Yeah.
00:21:18.000 There's no way you're wearing a beanie right now in this heat, my guy.
00:21:21.000 I know, I know.
00:21:22.000 That's a sacrifice for the drift.
00:21:23.000 Come on.
00:21:24.000 What's your name?
00:21:24.000 I got one.
00:21:25.000 My name is Diego.
00:21:26.000 I just want to start off by saying Jesus is King, Jesus is Lord.
00:21:29.000 Amen, amen.
00:21:30.000 I would say that I grew up in the religion, and then just recently I found my faith.
00:21:36.000 So I've been starting to read my Bible and everything like that, and in high school I think I was...
00:21:43.000 Basically just spewing everything I heard on Tucker Carlson and Fox News.
00:21:46.000 And then I wanted to base my politics off of my morals and my morals from the Bible.
00:21:51.000 So through that, I kind of came to a lot of the same things that you say and you say.
00:21:55.000 The only thing that I have a gripe with is your position on Israel and Palestine.
00:22:00.000 I think that...
00:22:01.000 Yeah, it's only the fourth question on that today.
00:22:03.000 Are you Catholic?
00:22:04.000 Yeah, I'm Catholic.
00:22:06.000 Only...
00:22:06.000 I love Catholics, but it's because we don't agree on replacement theology.
00:22:10.000 That's why.
00:22:11.000 But at the same time, I see you condemn our, especially Kamala Harris's, that's one of your big talking points, you condemn her spending on Ukraine, and yet we've spent like $100 billion more on Israel than any other Egyptian country there.
00:22:24.000 I mean, not Egyptian, in the Middle East.
00:22:26.000 And I think the only reason why we truly, or at least our politicians, truly give money there is not for the reasons that they say.
00:22:33.000 And that's my biggest gripe.
00:22:35.000 In my opinion, it's not on a moral standpoint.
00:22:37.000 We're not taking the moral good.
00:22:38.000 We're taking the strategic good, maybe, because they're our ally.
00:22:40.000 But I just am tired of the lies, and I'm tired of the lies from both.
00:22:43.000 So I just want to understand, because I feel like you're more well-read in Christianity.
00:22:48.000 So I want to understand how you came to that position on Israel and Palestine.
00:22:52.000 Well, first of all, I'd be careful calling it Palestine, because that's not a country. 1.00
00:22:56.000 It doesn't exist, right?
00:22:58.000 So that's number one.
00:22:59.000 But that's fine.
00:23:00.000 We're not going to agree on that.
00:23:01.000 Maybe we will.
00:23:01.000 But we have different theologies, so I'm not going to go too deep in that.
00:23:06.000 We believe, and I don't want to speak for George, We're good to go.
00:23:26.000 Because of faith?
00:23:28.000 Faith also, but...
00:23:29.000 But there's some archaeological evidence in the Shroud of Turim and everything like that.
00:23:33.000 More than that, but where is that usually?
00:23:35.000 Oh, that's in the Middle East. 0.98
00:23:37.000 In Israel, yeah.
00:23:38.000 So when I went to Israel, and I encourage you to go, it's not a perfect country, I'm not a defender of their government, but to be able to go to Capernaum, the Sea of Galilee, to be able to go see where Christ our Lord rose from the dead, to see the Pool of Siloam, it changed my life.
00:23:52.000 And access to these holy sites and access to these archaeological points is profoundly important for the survival of the West.
00:24:01.000 Because without them, you and I are not allowed to go visit, for example, a lot of Christian holy sites in Muslim countries.
00:24:08.000 So the one city that I'm sure you would want to visit and I would want to visit is Bethlehem, right?
00:24:13.000 The birthplace of Christ our Lord.
00:24:14.000 It's very hard for Christians to visit there because it's like 98% Muslim now and very, very dangerous. 1.00
00:24:19.000 And so the trouble is in modern Israel right now, we can visit our holy sites.
00:24:24.000 We can prove that the Bible is true.
00:24:27.000 If it was controlled by Hamas or the Palestinian Authority, I don't think we have any such guarantees.
00:24:32.000 To me, it just seems like a lot of our original arguments, like, kind of drop in almost, like, a protection of Israel.
00:24:38.000 And I've seen, like, you say in some other things, like, that in the Bible it says, like, those who stand by Israel.
00:24:42.000 Genesis 12.3, correct.
00:24:44.000 Yeah.
00:24:45.000 So – but I just believe that, like, our pro-life argument as conservative Christians shouldn't end in the womb.
00:24:49.000 I think that we should – it should – Obviously, extend in, like, childcare, obviously, like, adoption and stuff like that.
00:24:55.000 That should be a little bit easier.
00:24:56.000 But also, like, pro-life of everyone, right?
00:24:58.000 And so, I think I've seen, like, a stat recently where it's, like, more children have died in Palestine than anywhere else in the last five years.
00:25:05.000 Okay.
00:25:05.000 I mean, I think I, like, I would...
00:25:08.000 Do more research into it, but just from what I've seen, just on a surface level, it's the visceral reaction.
00:25:13.000 I can't get behind funding Netanyahu's war machine, basically, and giving him weapons on weapons.
00:25:19.000 I also think it's just a little bit contradictory that you never speak on Kamala Harris's funding of Israel, but you condemn her funding of Ukraine.
00:25:26.000 I just explained it to you, right?
00:25:27.000 Because Israel has a direct connection to our faith and the Western tradition.
00:25:31.000 Ukraine has no such connection.
00:25:32.000 Okay.
00:25:33.000 And Israel is an ally of the United States.
00:25:34.000 Ukraine is not much of an ally.
00:25:36.000 But we just disagree.
00:25:37.000 We've done Israel three times today already.
00:25:38.000 But thank you very much.
00:25:39.000 Appreciate it.
00:25:39.000 Thank you.
00:25:43.000 Hey everybody, Charlie Kirk here.
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00:26:45.000 Alright, what's up?
00:26:46.000 Hey, how's it going?
00:26:47.000 I read about 75% of your book, Right Wing Revolution, that you gave out last month, about last night.
00:26:55.000 I'm a Marxist, actually.
00:26:57.000 I don't know, I don't know.
00:26:58.000 Hold on, no, what's your name?
00:27:00.000 That's more important than whether you're a Marxist.
00:27:01.000 My name is Harmon.
00:27:03.000 What?
00:27:03.000 My name is Harmon.
00:27:04.000 Harmon, okay.
00:27:05.000 By the way, give it up for him for coming up to the mic.
00:27:08.000 That's good.
00:27:09.000 Yeah, so...
00:27:11.000 I, for most of my life, was a conservative until about three years ago.
00:27:15.000 And I would say I agree with a lot of the things you have to say in your book, a lot of the problems that we're facing.
00:27:20.000 I think you are 100% correct when you say the world is going crazy right now.
00:27:24.000 But I absolutely disagree with why it's happening.
00:27:27.000 I think the problem has to...
00:27:28.000 It deals with fundamental inconsistencies within the capitalist system.
00:27:32.000 So you talk about how the traditional marriage, the traditional family is dying.
00:27:37.000 And I would say one of the reasons why is because...
00:27:40.000 When a woman doesn't go to work to take care of her family, so a mother, right? 1.00
00:27:44.000 There's no surplus value that can be exchanged for that.
00:27:47.000 Where in a capitalist system, it's much better for GDP. It's much better for growth.
00:27:50.000 If she works a job, gives money to a daycare to take care of her kid for her, right? 0.92
00:27:55.000 And then there's surplus value that can be exchanged for that.
00:27:57.000 That is a smart point.
00:27:58.000 You're right.
00:27:58.000 Thank you.
00:28:00.000 Again, do you want to keep going?
00:28:01.000 Yeah, no, no.
00:28:02.000 You can keep going.
00:28:03.000 You are pinpointing one of the two fatal flaws in the modern market system.
00:28:08.000 Yeah.
00:28:09.000 Which is that if you overly worship markets and you do not prioritize what is good, true, and beautiful, which I think you and I both agree we want strong families, which is not a Marxist belief, but that's okay.
00:28:19.000 I'm not pinpointing you on that.
00:28:21.000 I'm just saying traditional Marxism is the obliteration of the family, religion, private property, and that's not my words.
00:28:26.000 That's Marx's own words.
00:28:28.000 But I'm not ascribing you to everything you ever wrote, okay?
00:28:30.000 But you can have a Marxist critique of systems, and there are two things that we as market believers have to reconcile that are the most difficult.
00:28:38.000 Number one, which is if you are trying to maximize output, why would you not put moms in the workplace?
00:28:44.000 Exactly.
00:28:44.000 Which is not a great thing for kids and not a great thing for culture.
00:28:47.000 Number two, if profit is always good, what happens if a pharmaceutical company wants to keep you sick for the rest of your life and not heal you?
00:28:55.000 Those are two of the most difficult questions we as free market people have to reconcile with.
00:29:00.000 So I'm agreeing with you.
00:29:02.000 Thank you.
00:29:03.000 I'm glad we can agree.
00:29:04.000 So then I would say the fundamental issues with capitalism, like the fact that worker productivity since 1980 has gone up 65%, but worker compensation has only gone up about 20%.
00:29:14.000 That 40% difference, in my opinion, is we become, the less you are compensated for your labor, if you're not compensated anything, you're a slave.
00:29:22.000 And if you're compensated 100% for your labor, you're an owner.
00:29:25.000 So I think that 40% discrepancy is the extent to which we have become more slave-like, right?
00:29:31.000 And I think There isn't really anyone on the Democratic side or the Republican side who are really addressing these inherent issues with capitalism.
00:29:39.000 That's not totally true.
00:29:40.000 I know you might not be a fan of his, but J.D. Vance has done a good job of this.
00:29:44.000 He won't word it the same way that you would.
00:29:46.000 And believe it or not, Elizabeth Warren wrote an amazing book 20 years ago called The Two-Income Trap, which is what you're talking about, which is in 1985. In order for a family of four to be able to survive, it required 36 weeks of labor a year.
00:30:01.000 So that means anything over 36 weeks, you could save money, go on vacations or whatever.
00:30:06.000 There's 52 weeks a year, right?
00:30:07.000 Now it requires 57 weeks of labor a year to sustain a family of four, which means the mom has to go into the workforce. 1.00
00:30:15.000 That's a bad thing.
00:30:16.000 Now, I would argue, though, it's less about quote-unquote capitalism.
00:30:20.000 It might be a little bit of that because there's always externalities.
00:30:23.000 And it's more about how we've flooded the zone with cheap money and excess government spending and inflated asset prices over the last 10 years.
00:30:29.000 Things are so expensive that it demands and warrants more and more people to go into the workforce.
00:30:34.000 And then I would ask alternatively, as a Marxist, what system would you then propose?
00:30:39.000 So, um...
00:30:42.000 This is hard.
00:30:43.000 So one of the things that I've kind of struggled with is Marx only wrote about 50 pages of what it looks like the day after the revolution, right?
00:30:49.000 Which is, I think, one of the biggest, like, real criticisms you can have of Marx, right?
00:30:52.000 But I think...
00:30:53.000 Because it's usually a mess after the revolution.
00:30:54.000 Yeah, but I think just because I don't necessarily have that much better of a system, like, I do think what Norway does, right?
00:31:00.000 They have worker-owned companies, right?
00:31:02.000 So imagine you instead of...
00:31:03.000 We have those two.
00:31:04.000 We have Publix, for example.
00:31:06.000 We have co-ops.
00:31:06.000 There's a...
00:31:07.000 Yeah, but we don't do it nearly to the extent that these other countries do.
00:31:10.000 Well, but think about it.
00:31:10.000 If you guys get stock options at a publicly traded company, that's a worker-owned company, right?
00:31:14.000 Yeah, but you don't have a vote in it.
00:31:16.000 It's not democratic.
00:31:17.000 In these other countries, you can literally vote who you want your boss to be.
00:31:20.000 And I think that's also one of the other fundamental issues with capitalism is that, in many ways, it's a dictatorship.
00:31:25.000 You don't really have a say with who your boss is going to be or how he decides to make decisions.
00:31:29.000 Whereas with worker co-ops...
00:31:30.000 You're right.
00:31:31.000 Yeah.
00:31:31.000 I mean, there's no objection there.
00:31:33.000 I guess the question I have is this, and then is, do you think that free markets have done a good job or a bad job of increasing the standard of living for humanity the last hundred years?
00:31:44.000 I think it's complicated because you look at certain things like FDR, the New Deal.
00:31:49.000 What do you think was the highest tax bracket for the top earners in the United States?
00:31:52.000 It was like 70%.
00:31:54.000 Yeah, it was like 80% to 90%, actually.
00:31:55.000 And then that even continued into the 50s.
00:31:57.000 So I think capitalism, when there's great wealth, that can be created.
00:32:00.000 Because I do think capitalism is the most efficient system for creating stuff.
00:32:04.000 Now, I don't know if that stuff is necessarily good.
00:32:06.000 I don't really agree with how the supply chain works.
00:32:09.000 It's great at creating stuff, and we can distribute it in a more equitable way.
00:32:12.000 I find very little to disagree with you, but what I will is that Marxism is a really bad idea.
00:32:18.000 Meaning you're critiquing systems very well, but the solution of saying, which again, I'm not going to try to put words in your mouth, but saying we want to mass redistribution of wealth, restrict private property, those are really, really bad ideas.
00:32:33.000 Well, I would say people who have tried to have ideas of hyper-privatization of property, like I read Hernando de Soto's The Mystery of Capital, right?
00:32:41.000 And he talks about how liberalized property rights are what makes countries work, right?
00:32:45.000 He tried those policies in Peru and they didn't work, right?
00:32:50.000 Whereas I would say when you have the government give military members loans for houses, right?
00:32:56.000 And you try to increase people owning things and create an ownership class.
00:32:59.000 I agree.
00:32:59.000 But that's not a Marxist idea.
00:33:01.000 That's okay.
00:33:02.000 Marxism does not believe in private property at its core, and that's okay.
00:33:05.000 So then I don't think you've read your Marx, because Marx says private property, so there's a difference between private property and personal property, right?
00:33:11.000 He said anything you find in a peasant's village is their own personal property they can keep it. 1.00
00:33:15.000 That's interesting.
00:33:16.000 I've never heard that distinction.
00:33:17.000 Can I ask one question, though?
00:33:19.000 It's not a gotcha, because it's important.
00:33:22.000 In the state of nature, do you think human beings are naturally good, bad, or neutral?
00:33:28.000 I think good, bad, and neutral don't exist outside of humanity.
00:33:31.000 I saw a video of this owl raising a clutch of her children.
00:33:35.000 It was a fun little livestream video.
00:33:37.000 One of her children died.
00:33:38.000 She ripped it apart and fed it to her other children. 1.00
00:33:41.000 I think that's pretty brutal, but I don't think I can say that's good or evil because they're animals.
00:33:45.000 Our entire concepts of what is good and what is evil is culturally defined.
00:33:49.000 Yeah, I don't believe that.
00:33:51.000 I think there's objective good or evil.
00:33:52.000 For example, I think murder is wrong regardless of your circumstance.
00:33:55.000 But morality doesn't apply to animals because they don't have reason, right?
00:33:58.000 Yeah, but I would say like even, you know, not Jesus.
00:34:01.000 Well, I guess God and Jesus are the same person.
00:34:02.000 He's ordered the death of infants before, right?
00:34:04.000 1 Samuel verse 15. He says, kill of the Amicalites.
00:34:08.000 It's a rival tribe.
00:34:09.000 Yeah, that's actually earlier than Samuel.
00:34:11.000 It's in the book of Exodus.
00:34:13.000 Well, it's 1 Samuel verse 15. No, you're right, but they're repeating the law of the Amalekites. 1.00
00:34:17.000 That's okay.
00:34:17.000 I'm not trying to quiz you on Bible trivia.
00:34:19.000 Sorry, but I'm not going to say whether that was a good or a bad thing.
00:34:24.000 But I would say your morality of how we decide whether that was good or bad is culturally defined.
00:34:29.000 It's the personal beliefs that you have.
00:34:30.000 And I think every Christian, every religious person can say that those beliefs come to them from outside themselves.
00:34:35.000 They're not reasonable.
00:34:37.000 No, I agree.
00:34:38.000 They do come outside of yourself.
00:34:39.000 I do agree.
00:34:40.000 That's correct.
00:34:41.000 But we believe that those are eternally applicable regardless, right?
00:34:46.000 So it's a transcendent order that in every tribe, every person, that it remains to be right or wrong in God's economy.
00:34:53.000 So would you say it was wrong for God to order the death of infants?
00:34:57.000 No, but we can't understand God's purposes or ways when it comes to life or death.
00:35:01.000 We cannot.
00:35:02.000 Well, then I would say I can agree with that.
00:35:05.000 Then I would say putting that morality into politics then, into policy, is wrong.
00:35:10.000 If you don't even say you understand it, then how could you put it into public?
00:35:13.000 Well, no, because we do understand God's rules for us.
00:35:15.000 We don't understand how God operates when it comes to life.
00:35:19.000 There's a lot of mystery when it comes to God.
00:35:20.000 A lot.
00:35:21.000 But there's very little mystery about what God wants out of us.
00:35:23.000 When you're a kid, do you have a good relationship with your dad?
00:35:27.000 No, my father's dead, unfortunately.
00:35:28.000 I'm sorry about that.
00:35:29.000 What about your mother?
00:35:31.000 Alive but estranged.
00:35:32.000 I did not come from the best circumstances.
00:35:34.000 Well, I apologize.
00:35:35.000 And I pray that you have an amazing family and that God makes it very for me.
00:35:38.000 Thank you.
00:35:39.000 Appreciate it.
00:35:39.000 But when you have a child, and he's looking at you, and he doesn't know and understand the realms of the world, and he sees this bright light, but it's fire.
00:35:48.000 And he wants to run up to it and touch it.
00:35:50.000 Now the dad steps in and goes, no, the baby can't understand.
00:35:53.000 But if it obeys its father, it would lead itself away from danger.
00:35:57.000 And this is how we see it as Christians.
00:35:59.000 We don't ask God why.
00:36:01.000 We have no authority to ask God why.
00:36:03.000 Just like I don't look at my father and ask him.
00:36:06.000 If he says jump, I say how high.
00:36:08.000 That classifies me as a good son.
00:36:10.000 So there's a lot of things we don't understand.
00:36:12.000 That's why he says he'll give you peace above your understanding.
00:36:15.000 Because we don't even know how to comprehend it.
00:36:19.000 I think there's value in a life lived that way, but when you have a God who has said, kill these infants, kill these unarmed women, kill these unarmed children, and you say, our job is to obey this God, again, you can't rationally prove he exists.
00:36:31.000 It's a personal, spiritual experience for you to say that God exists.
00:36:34.000 I think that that's going too far.
00:36:35.000 I think we should always be asking the highest questions, the most critical of the beliefs that govern us, right?
00:36:42.000 Especially when it comes to violence.
00:36:43.000 I have an interesting question.
00:36:45.000 Your belief, if everybody believed what you believed, would the world be a better place?
00:36:49.000 Or if everyone believed that there was a God who judged them and believed the Ten Commandments, which of those would create a better world?
00:36:55.000 Yeah, so I personally believe in post-structuralism.
00:37:01.000 Personally, I think most people would be incredibly unhappy.
00:37:06.000 That's incredibly intellectually honest.
00:37:08.000 But don't you agree that, therefore, what you might believe would create a lot of chaos in the world?
00:37:14.000 Yeah, so then I had to, with myself, come to the conclusion, do I want to believe what's good, or do I want to believe what's true?
00:37:20.000 What's good?
00:37:21.000 We believe that both of those things are the same.
00:37:23.000 Yeah, exactly, but I disagree, right?
00:37:25.000 I understand.
00:37:25.000 Yeah, so, like, I believe, like, do you guys believe in, like, a literalist interpretation of the flood?
00:37:29.000 Yes.
00:37:30.000 So, like, in my opinion— Well, we actually have evidence of it, but yeah.
00:37:32.000 I would say it's a little absurd, in my opinion, from a rational perspective to say that the Gila monster, which lives only in southern Arizona, only lives in 100-plus temperatures, somehow crossed the land bridge from Turkey.
00:37:45.000 So it went from Turkey through China, crossed the land bridge in the Ice Age, and came all the way down to Arizona to the only place where its fossils exist.
00:37:53.000 I think you're overthinking it a little bit.
00:37:54.000 That's okay, though.
00:37:55.000 But again, I want to get the next question.
00:37:57.000 You're coming at it from a good place.
00:37:58.000 But here's my one.
00:38:00.000 Post-structuralism is misery.
00:38:02.000 Yeah, I agree.
00:38:03.000 But it's not true.
00:38:05.000 And I hope one day that I could plant a seed that, this is what I'll say, is that the devil, which you may or may not believe in, exists to try to get you to question and deconstruct everything in a place of constant confusion and chaos.
00:38:18.000 And my hope for you is that you can get back into a place of order.
00:38:21.000 That's all.
00:38:21.000 Do you believe in a god by any chance?
00:38:23.000 No, I personally don't.
00:38:25.000 But I'm open to it.
00:38:26.000 I just want to say, I think it's crazy that we were able to agree on certain aspects of Marxism.
00:38:29.000 I was so ready for debate, and I'm super happy that you were able to do that.
00:38:32.000 On a Marxist critique, but not an application.
00:38:35.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.
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