The Charlie Kirk Show - March 01, 2024


Why the Gospel is Not Private with Pastor Jentezen Franklin


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Pastor Jensen Franklin is one of the most influential pastors in the country. He leads a church in Georgia and is a leader in the fight for freedom in the church and in the nation. In this episode of the Charlie Kirk Show, Pastor Franklin talks about the importance of standing up for truth and standing up to authority.

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00:00:00.000 Hey everybody, it's Anna Charlie Kirk showing amazing conversation with Jensen Franklin, one of the most important pastors in the country.
00:00:06.000 He leads a terrific congregation in Georgia and also other places across the country.
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00:01:27.000 Joining us now is Jensen Franklin.
00:01:29.000 Long overdue.
00:01:30.000 I'm so glad to be here.
00:01:32.000 Welcome to the program, man.
00:01:33.000 Thank you.
00:01:34.000 Just introduce yourself to the audience.
00:01:36.000 You are one of the most influential pastors in the country.
00:01:38.000 Well, I don't know about that, but I pastor a church called Free Chapel.
00:01:42.000 We are primarily in the state of Georgia, but we have campus in South Carolina, campus in California, and all over Georgia.
00:01:52.000 Yeah, and I watch you almost every Sunday on Real America's Voice.
00:01:55.000 Well, I'm very honored.
00:01:56.000 Thank you.
00:01:56.000 And you have a real gift, and praise God.
00:01:59.000 So you addressed our pastors last evening with Dream City Church, Dream Conference, Strong Church, TPSA Faith, kind of this amazing partnership.
00:02:06.000 And it was an amazing address.
00:02:10.000 Tommy Barnett said it was the best he's ever heard you.
00:02:12.000 Well, so now the bar is even higher, Jensen.
00:02:15.000 Well, the atmosphere of the place, first of all, is so, you know, you feel isolated as a pastor if you're taking a stand.
00:02:23.000 To be honest, you feel like, kind of like Elijah, you know, in the Bible, he said, I'm the only one left, God.
00:02:29.000 And then you come to a conference like you're putting on, and he found out that God had 7,000 more out there that were preaching.
00:02:38.000 There were thousands of people there last night, and they were fired up about, you know, standing in the purpose of God, doing what God has called them to do as leaders, and standing up for truth in our states and in our nation.
00:02:52.000 Amen.
00:02:53.000 Thank you for your vision to partner with, you know, people of faith.
00:02:53.000 And thank you.
00:02:58.000 We just deeply appreciate what you're doing.
00:03:01.000 So, Jensen, you're very outspoken, and first and foremost, for Jesus and the kingdom, and everything flows from that.
00:03:07.000 How do you respond to some pastors that say we shouldn't get involved in the political side, this Christian nationalism stuff?
00:03:14.000 I only preach the gospel.
00:03:16.000 How do you respond to that?
00:03:18.000 I can't separate my faith from the place, the nation, the schools my kids and grandkids go to, the city that I live in, the things that are being taught to my children.
00:03:36.000 I can't separate that.
00:03:37.000 So I believe in freedom, but I also believe that we have a responsibility as ministers to stand up and boldly proclaim the word of God.
00:03:47.000 If it's in the Bible, it's right. 1.00
00:03:49.000 If the Bible's clear on it, then we should be clear on it.
00:03:52.000 The Bible's clear on life.
00:03:54.000 The Bible's clear on marriage between a male and a female. 0.50
00:03:58.000 The Bible is, I believe in freedom.
00:03:59.000 I believe people should live and let live.
00:04:01.000 I'm not trying to control anybody.
00:04:03.000 I'm not mad at anybody.
00:04:05.000 But I do believe that the reason we've lost so much ground that we're taking back is because of the silence.
00:04:15.000 You know, the council culture, not only, I believe it's really a battle that's taking place for the pulpit because as the pulpit goes, so the nation goes.
00:04:27.000 That's what's happened.
00:04:28.000 It's our fault.
00:04:29.000 Let's be honest.
00:04:30.000 The churches and the preachers know deep in they sit back and watch the news and they see this girl in Georgia 45 minutes from my camp, one of my campuses who was murdered by an illegal alien who came here illegally.
00:04:48.000 Never should have been here.
00:04:49.000 Beautiful girl, amazing future, wonderful, wonderful life, and she's gone.
00:04:57.000 And how do I, as a minister, if preachers don't speak up, and again, we're not mad and angry.
00:05:05.000 We're just saying this is wrong.
00:05:09.000 Justice, justice you shall pursue.
00:05:10.000 It says in Deuteronomy.
00:05:11.000 Thank you.
00:05:12.000 Thank you.
00:05:12.000 Do justice.
00:05:13.000 And this is insanity.
00:05:16.000 And it's not just to have someone trespass into your country, to be arrested for a crime with a child and then released.
00:05:23.000 And then that same individual who has a pattern murders a college student.
00:05:29.000 It's insanity.
00:05:30.000 It's unsustainable.
00:05:31.000 And then, you know, and don't turn around and tell me because I'm a pastor, I don't love people.
00:05:37.000 Well, we built homes down on the border for other ministries to house young girls who have been trafficked and they don't have anywhere to go right now.
00:05:50.000 That's the picture right there of Lake and Riley, by the way.
00:05:52.000 Exactly.
00:05:52.000 And, you know, so we can be both, I guess is what I'm trying to say, Charlie, is we can take a stand for what is right and not back down, but at the same time have great compassion.
00:06:02.000 There are a lot of poor people and needy people, but they need to come legally. 1.00
00:06:08.000 And we are a very generous nation.
00:06:10.000 We allow millions of people to come legally.
00:06:12.000 And it's not fair to many people who have come legally.
00:06:16.000 That's right.
00:06:17.000 And it's an insult to people that have waited their turn and that have come here correctly.
00:06:22.000 And we also, as a nation, you have a right to know who's coming into your country.
00:06:27.000 And just, you know, are they someone who has a criminal background?
00:06:30.000 Are they here for the right reasons?
00:06:31.000 There's an amazing verse in Deuteronomy that cautions about if you allow foreigners into your land, they will soon become masters. 1.00
00:06:38.000 One of the last things that Moses writes in his farewell address to God's chosen people.
00:06:44.000 It is so clear to me, and it's clear to you, Jensen, but the vast majority of pastors gravitate away from even speaking out about these issues.
00:06:53.000 I'm going to ask you to speculate as to why that is.
00:06:56.000 Well, as a pastor, I know.
00:06:58.000 I mean, when I felt compelled, I felt when President Trump, I met with him, with some other leaders in Trump Tower the first time.
00:07:11.000 And I had no intentions of supporting him.
00:07:14.000 I'm very conservative.
00:07:15.000 I've always been conservative.
00:07:16.000 And I went in and I went there just like this will be a fun day.
00:07:21.000 I had the box, right?
00:07:22.000 Yeah.
00:07:24.000 And I went in and I sat there for two hours and I listened to him.
00:07:29.000 And it hit me, this man's a little different.
00:07:32.000 This man, there's something on him.
00:07:35.000 An anointing, would you use that word?
00:07:38.000 I believe it's his purpose.
00:07:40.000 I believe it is his calling.
00:07:42.000 And I know I'll get attacks when I say that.
00:07:45.000 Believe me, I've been through it.
00:07:46.000 But I had to make a decision because I reached a point where I realized if Hillary Clinton wins this election, it's probably over for my grandchildren, the America I grew up in.
00:08:00.000 That was the first consequential election.
00:08:02.000 That was the ballgame.
00:08:04.000 And that's the thing, is it's like, how do you, as a, the Bible calls a preacher who, a watchman, who's on the wall, we're supposed to look out and see encroaching danger coming. 0.99
00:08:17.000 And the Bible said, it's a dumb dog that will not bark. 0.97
00:08:21.000 He called preachers who see danger coming, who see death coming, who see disaster coming for the families behind the walls. 1.00
00:08:32.000 And he said, if you don't speak up, you're like a dumb dog that won't bark. 1.00
00:08:36.000 Wow. 1.00
00:08:37.000 It actually goes against your being authentic and being real to what you believe.
00:08:45.000 I cannot be silent when I see wrong and evil, when I see 100,000 kids.
00:08:53.000 I'm preaching funerals.
00:08:55.000 I'm a real pastor.
00:08:56.000 I go to the hospitals.
00:08:57.000 I love people.
00:08:59.000 We've got a big church and all that, but that's not who I am.
00:09:02.000 I didn't start that way.
00:09:03.000 I started with a handful of people.
00:09:05.000 And I pastor real people.
00:09:07.000 I have preached more funerals.
00:09:10.000 I get emotional about this.
00:09:11.000 I have preached more funerals in the last four to five years of fentanyl deaths, of church kids who went off to college, went off to university, and probably didn't even mean to take something.
00:09:26.000 It was just got in the wrong atmosphere, took something, and they're gone.
00:09:33.000 And it's devastating.
00:09:34.000 We could stop that.
00:09:36.000 We could do something about that.
00:09:38.000 And to me, it's a leader like Trump that's going to do that.
00:09:42.000 That's so powerful, Jensen.
00:09:43.000 And I want to just reiterate, Jensen, he's in the weeds of what it means to be a pastor.
00:09:49.000 Because sometimes it's easy to just kind of get lost when your platform gets as big as what God has given you.
00:09:54.000 My church is very multicultural, too.
00:09:57.000 And so the greatest struggle is there is a grief that you feel because when I took a stand, not for, I don't tell people who to vote for.
00:10:08.000 I don't get up and talk about Donald Trump in the pool pit.
00:10:11.000 I preach the word of God.
00:10:13.000 But what they do know is I stand strong on where the Bible is clear.
00:10:18.000 If the Bible's not clear, that's your opinion and your choice.
00:10:23.000 And even if people disagree with me, I don't have a problem with that.
00:10:27.000 But I am not, this is how I preach for 40 years.
00:10:31.000 Why would I change now because culture says it's wrong?
00:10:35.000 And, you know, in a time when a man with beards goes in on a flower dress and high heels and lipstick and sits and reads fairy tales to children in libraries, and I can't stand up and say that's wrong, that's evil to give, you know, to do surgery on an eight-year-old, a nine-year-old to change their sex.
00:10:58.000 I can't say that as a minister.
00:11:00.000 What do you mean?
00:11:03.000 You know, I'm not going to change that.
00:11:05.000 That's wrong.
00:11:06.000 God bless you.
00:11:06.000 That's evil.
00:11:08.000 That's destroying lives.
00:11:10.000 It's even worse.
00:11:10.000 I mean, some people call it good, and woe to those who call good evil and evil good.
00:11:15.000 That's where we are.
00:11:16.000 One of the most crisp teachings in the scriptures.
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00:12:28.000 Jensen, that's so powerful.
00:12:29.000 So you've been doing hundreds of funerals of young, innocent kids that get caught up at a party.
00:12:34.000 Hey, take this pill, take whatever.
00:12:37.000 And they overdose on fentanyl.
00:12:39.000 We could, if we wanted to, stop that immediately.
00:12:42.000 There's no question about it.
00:12:44.000 And, you know, even beyond that, when you see the suffering of the younger generation mentally, mental illness and depression, and the generation that's lost its way, I think of the scripture in Judges, I think it's the second chapter.
00:13:02.000 And there arose another generation that knew not God or his ways.
00:13:06.000 That's the first line of Exodus, right?
00:13:08.000 Yeah.
00:13:09.000 And that's how you get tyranny.
00:13:11.000 And that's what gripped my heart when I decided to stand for what is right.
00:13:18.000 So it was not really a, but I lost hundreds of people.
00:13:22.000 I lost hundreds of people for my church for a moment.
00:13:26.000 That must have been tough.
00:13:27.000 It was very tough.
00:13:28.000 It was very tough.
00:13:29.000 It was this during 2020 or was this?
00:13:31.000 Okay.
00:13:32.000 Well, during that, but even, yeah, when Trump, when I stood with him.
00:13:36.000 You were an early guy.
00:13:37.000 When I agreed to go and lay hands on him and pray for him, Christians got mad. 1.00
00:13:42.000 In 2016?
00:13:43.000 Yes.
00:13:43.000 Oh, how dare you pray for somebody?
00:13:45.000 Exactly.
00:13:46.000 And people would ask me, why would you do that? 0.54
00:13:49.000 I said, I would do it for Hillary if she asked me.
00:13:51.000 I would do it for Joe Biden.
00:13:53.000 He wouldn't like more of a kind of, you got to try to pray for an intercession.
00:13:57.000 I'd take a bottle of oil with her.
00:14:00.000 We believe in a God of miracles.
00:14:01.000 Amen.
00:14:02.000 But it would be kind of a different fast and for it.
00:14:04.000 It'd be a different prayer.
00:14:05.000 Yeah, but you know, God loves her, and God loves, you know, I will go anywhere.
00:14:12.000 The God in me, I'll speak whatever I'm going to say to whoever I'm with.
00:14:17.000 It doesn't matter where I go.
00:14:19.000 And I'm going to speak the truth.
00:14:21.000 I'm going to stand up for what I know the Bible is clear on.
00:14:24.000 And I don't care who it is.
00:14:26.000 And that's what we're called to do.
00:14:27.000 And, you know, pastors can't sit this one out.
00:14:30.000 Pastors cannot, you know, I think it's a fear.
00:14:36.000 You ask why are pastors so hesitant?
00:14:39.000 So it is a fear.
00:14:40.000 It's a fear.
00:14:41.000 You know it's going to rock your world.
00:14:43.000 You're going to get those calls.
00:14:44.000 You're going to have families leave.
00:14:46.000 But I want to finish that story because I was one of the first ones, you know, with others that began to take a stand.
00:14:54.000 And yes, people left, but I'm going to tell you what God has, our church has exploded.
00:14:59.000 Praise God.
00:15:00.000 We don't have the room.
00:15:01.000 We've had to do another campus, another campus, another campus.
00:15:05.000 We have exploded.
00:15:07.000 Many churches have not recovered completely.
00:15:10.000 We have exceeded pre-COVID numbers way further than we've ever been.
00:15:18.000 And I believe that is a direct result of saying, you know, my responsibility is to stand with the Word of God and, you know, stand and support Israel, support, because the Bible does, support life because the Bible does, support marriage and family and the traditional family, just like the Bible does.
00:15:37.000 That doesn't mean I don't love, don't care.
00:15:40.000 We have medical buses that we buy, and they go and they do sonograms, and we pay if a girl decides to keep the baby, we pay for the child's all and the mother for a year, all their needs. 0.91
00:15:58.000 You know, you've got to have all these programs.
00:16:00.000 We've got all kinds of rehab programs and all of those things.
00:16:05.000 So we are there to heal the people, but we're also there to hold the standard.
00:16:09.000 Wow.
00:16:11.000 The response from some Christians went to go pray for Trump was.
00:16:16.000 Why would you do that?
00:16:17.000 Why are you getting involved?
00:16:18.000 We don't want our pastor to do, you know, and it was so strange because I've always done it.
00:16:25.000 It's also not biblical, but it says in Timothy, pray for your leaders in authority.
00:16:29.000 Absolutely.
00:16:30.000 Very clearly, whoever they are.
00:16:32.000 And, you know, we read these Bible stories.
00:16:34.000 Daniel was there.
00:16:36.000 Well, he fasted and prayed for his nation, too.
00:16:38.000 Exactly.
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00:17:55.000 So, Jensen, we're talking about the church.
00:17:57.000 I do want to emphasize, I want to focus on one issue that I have not explored with a guest recently, but it's so important, Israel.
00:18:04.000 Yes.
00:18:04.000 You have a heart for Israel.
00:18:06.000 I do.
00:18:06.000 Talk about that.
00:18:08.000 I love Israel.
00:18:09.000 You cannot be a Christian, a real Christian, and not love Israel and not support Israel. 0.50
00:18:16.000 The Bible was written by Jews.
00:18:18.000 The whole book.
00:18:19.000 Jesus is a Jew. 1.00
00:18:21.000 Our Messiah, our Savior.
00:18:23.000 And, you know, of course, Genesis 12 and 3, I'll bless those that bless Israel.
00:18:29.000 It's repeated all throughout the Torah.
00:18:31.000 That's right.
00:18:31.000 Absolutely.
00:18:32.000 And so, you know, but does God love the Palestinians?
00:18:37.000 100% He does.
00:18:39.000 And we do all that we can to help them in every way that we can and point them to Christ.
00:18:46.000 But when it's all said and done, if America does not stand with Israel, the day that we turn our back, and we're close to it, we're close to it. 0.94
00:18:54.000 I was invited a couple weeks ago to D.C. by the ambassador of Israel to go to the embassy and watch the actual footage of the attacks from cameras.
00:19:08.000 I don't think I could watch it.
00:19:10.000 It was the most, it was the most.
00:19:12.000 I have enough darkness in my life.
00:19:13.000 I do a three-hour radio show.
00:19:15.000 I do not have the words to describe.
00:19:19.000 There was one little scene of two little boys, and I've got four, five children and five grandchildren.
00:19:27.000 Two little boys, they were in their underwear only.
00:19:32.000 They were with their dad. 1.00
00:19:34.000 The terrorists throw in a hand grenade and blow and kill the dad. 0.64
00:19:40.000 The two little kids are standing there, little boys, maybe eight, five years old. 0.52
00:19:45.000 The little brother has shrapnel in his eye, and he's crying.
00:19:48.000 His brother walks over and holds him, and the older boy's in shock, and he starts saying, Daddy's dead.
00:19:56.000 Daddy's dead.
00:19:57.000 Daddy's dead. 0.63
00:19:59.000 The terrorist comes in, walks over, opens up the refrigerator, reaches in, and starts drinking a drink and laughing.
00:20:09.000 And these two little boys, helpless little boys, are standing there.
00:20:13.000 That's why it drives me crazy when I watch the news now, the liberal news, thank God not on this network.
00:20:19.000 Amen.
00:20:19.000 But you know, how do you say Israel can't defend themselves?
00:20:25.000 How do you say they've got to put up with that?
00:20:28.000 There's no way you can deal with that kind of, and then you see everything on that video that I can't even speak of it.
00:20:38.000 I don't think I could watch it.
00:20:39.000 There is no.
00:20:40.000 It's almost like having a day of the Holocaust live streamed. 0.79
00:20:44.000 Yes.
00:20:46.000 It affected me.
00:20:47.000 I'm glad that I watched it.
00:20:48.000 So you're glad you saw it.
00:20:50.000 Yeah, and I tell you why, because it made me even more understand that that same spirit would do that to Christians, would do that to anyone who stands for freedom.
00:21:07.000 I really believe that.
00:21:08.000 That it is the spirit that is behind it.
00:21:14.000 It says destroy Israel.
00:21:17.000 Destroy the message of the gospel. 0.99
00:21:19.000 Destroy it. 0.97
00:21:20.000 Lie, steal, cheat, and destroy. 1.00
00:21:22.000 That's right. 1.00
00:21:22.000 Kill, steal, and destroy. 1.00
00:21:24.000 Yeah, John 10, 10.
00:21:25.000 I've come to give life more abundantly.
00:21:28.000 The enemy comes to lie, steal, cheat, and destroy.
00:21:30.000 So, Jensen, do you think that support for Israel is waning in Christian circles?
00:21:37.000 It doesn't feel to be as unanimous as I remember it a decade ago.
00:21:43.000 Maybe I'm wrong.
00:21:44.000 I think with the young people, I think with those from my generation, more supportive.
00:21:49.000 More support.
00:21:51.000 And that's why you're so important and this organization is so important.
00:21:54.000 That's why I believe in you.
00:21:56.000 That's why I want to do more with you because you are reaching a generation with truth.
00:22:03.000 Once, if they'll go there, one of the things the Lord laid on my heart is to start taking, I do a youth conference every year, and we'll have 12,000, 13,000 kids there.
00:22:12.000 Every year, we fill up the arena in Atlanta.
00:22:16.000 And I don't know why this has never connected, but when I saw the unbelievable support for the Hamas in our streets and in our cities when this thing happened, I found myself saying, where are we missing it? 0.72
00:22:33.000 And if we can get kids to go to Israel, it changes their life. 1.00
00:22:37.000 It changed my life.
00:22:39.000 You will never feel the same about that nation.
00:22:42.000 And I thought, you know, why don't we, instead of sending them to the beach, instead of Caba San Lucas, send them to Tel Aviv, send them to Hebron. 0.99
00:22:49.000 Exactly.
00:22:50.000 It would change their life.
00:22:52.000 They would love that nation because if you go there, it gets in your heart.
00:22:55.000 It changes everything.
00:22:56.000 Jensen, God bless you.
00:22:57.000 I know you got a dash to your church out in California.
00:23:00.000 I think God has a plan, and I think we were meant to kind of intersect for this year.
00:23:05.000 So God bless you, Jensen.
00:23:06.000 Thank you so much.
00:23:06.000 Great message last evening.
00:23:08.000 Thank you.
00:23:08.000 Thanks so much for listening.
00:23:09.000 Everybody, email us as always, freedom at charliekirk.com.
00:23:12.000 Thanks so much for listening, and God bless.
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