The Charlie Kirk Show - October 01, 2026


Winning Too Much?

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00:01:17.000 Hello, welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show.
00:01:21.000 It's just me today.
00:01:22.000 Andrew is off on a vision quest somewhere.
00:01:25.000 And no, he's off traveling right now.
00:01:30.000 And that means I once again have both of the Y Refi flags.
00:01:34.000 I'm very excited about this.
00:01:35.000 And I'm very excited.
00:01:36.000 For what we're going to be able to talk about in today's show, a lot of big stories that we haven't gotten to recently.
00:01:43.000 One of the biggest ones, AI or super intelligence, depending on what you want to call it.
00:01:49.000 A ton has been happening that over the last month or so.
00:01:53.000 And I think it's time that we talked about it.
00:01:55.000 We should talk about why President Trump is particularly bullish on super intelligence, as he now calls it, even as a lot of people on the left and on the right and within the tech world are saying, This might be going too fast.
00:02:09.000 It's time to slow it down.
00:02:10.000 President Trump, it's one of those issues where he is swerving right when a lot of other people are swerving left.
00:02:16.000 We want to talk about that.
00:02:18.000 We're also going to be talking about the Cornell fraternity story.
00:02:22.000 If you're on social media, if you're on TikTok, if you're following the news, this has become one of the absolute biggest dramas online these days.
00:02:31.000 It's kind of become the sequel to the Lindsey Clancy story in some ways, as the case everyone has an opinion on.
00:02:37.000 So we'll be talking to Scott Greer about that.
00:02:40.000 But first, I think it's time for us to.
00:02:44.000 It's a little bit of a follow up to the discussion we had with Rich Barris yesterday.
00:02:48.000 And it's about issues and what the voters care about going into these midterms.
00:02:54.000 And we're facing a strategic problem that I don't think we've ever seen before in American politics, at least not in my lifetime.
00:03:04.000 And a few headlines from last night and this morning got me thinking about this.
00:03:10.000 First of all, We have this headline from Axios, and it says, How Trump's signature issue fell off voters' radar.
00:03:19.000 And this is a quote from the article Immigration, the issue that helped propel Donald Trump to the presidency and rally his supporters over the past decade, has become an afterthought for voters.
00:03:31.000 That's what they say.
00:03:32.000 It says, They ask Avery James of Echelon Insights, a Republican polling firm.
00:03:38.000 They say, On net, Republicans are winning out as the more trusted party on two topics.
00:03:43.000 The border and immigration and crime and safety.
00:03:46.000 But the problem is, if you're a campaign strategist, crime and immigration are just not the top issues for voters.
00:03:54.000 So, Republicans did well, but when you ask voters what matters to you most, they're not saying the border, they're not saying immigration, they're not saying crime, even if they still favor us with that.
00:04:05.000 Similarly, we have this headline from the New York Times It's not an issue.
00:04:10.000 Crime as a GOP line of attack loses traction.
00:04:14.000 And they again go into some detail The chaos at the border, a reliable political target since 2018, has calmed.
00:04:22.000 State laws barring transgender students in athletics.
00:04:25.000 Have taken some of the sting out of that issue as well.
00:04:29.000 Voters say they are most concerned about the high costs of everyday necessities.
00:04:33.000 And crime, usually a winning issue for Republicans, who are generally more trusted to keep law and order, is seeing a staggering drop.
00:04:42.000 The downward trend that began during the Biden administration has only accelerated.
00:04:48.000 One analysis found that the murder rate last year was the lowest it has been since 1900.
00:04:55.000 Think about what we just heard there.
00:04:56.000 We just heard that.
00:04:58.000 During this administration, we have had a literal once in a century win.
00:05:04.000 The murder rate, the rate at which someone is likely to violently kill you, is the lowest it has been since 1900 when I believe William McKinley was still president.
00:05:18.000 And that's something that's happened under Donald Trump.
00:05:19.000 And it's happening just six years after Floyd-a-Palooza when we had the highest murder rates in this country that we'd seen in about several decades.
00:05:30.000 And it was the biggest increase in murder ever recorded.
00:05:33.000 Totally turned around, totally eliminated.
00:05:36.000 And what are we getting from voters?
00:05:37.000 We're getting, well, it's not an issue anymore.
00:05:40.000 I care about other issues.
00:05:41.000 Same thing with the border.
00:05:42.000 We were talking yesterday that the number of people crossing the border is basically at zero.
00:05:48.000 The number of new immigrants arriving in the country, way down.
00:05:52.000 The number of Muslim immigrants to America, immigrants from Muslim majority countries, down, I think, 80 or 90%, whatever that chart was. 1.00
00:06:01.000 All of these wins are happening, and our reward is. 0.88
00:06:05.000 We're getting voters to just stop thinking about it.
00:06:07.000 We are living through something that actually is unprecedented in American history.
00:06:11.000 A political party is losing favor in part because it has won too much.
00:06:18.000 That basically never happens.
00:06:19.000 So, for example, when Barack Hussein Obama ran for president, one of his big issues was health care, and he passed Obamacare.
00:06:28.000 But did Obamacare actually solve the health care issue?
00:06:30.000 No, of course not.
00:06:31.000 Health care remained expensive, prices continued to go up.
00:06:35.000 They would debate whether they would go up faster or slower with or without Obamacare.
00:06:39.000 They could argue about that.
00:06:40.000 It created a bunch of new programs.
00:06:42.000 Some people really liked those.
00:06:44.000 Some people, a lot of people, really hated them.
00:06:47.000 But it certainly did not resolve the issue.
00:06:49.000 It did not make people stop thinking about health care as an issue.
00:06:53.000 And annoyingly, that's the case for so many things when Democrats campaign on issues.
00:06:59.000 Paradoxically, Democrats have the advantage that since their ideology does not work, It doesn't solve problems and make them recede from voters' minds so that they can't campaign it on anymore. 0.83
00:07:11.000 So, think about Democrats when they say the problem with America is too many stale, pale white males in positions. 0.70
00:07:19.000 They're the ones screwing up the country. 0.99
00:07:21.000 We need to get them out, get fresh blood, do more DEI. 0.55
00:07:25.000 And as we've seen over and over, that doesn't actually work great when you hire people who are less qualified for things.
00:07:31.000 You get more problems, you get more inefficiency.
00:07:34.000 People realize things are in decline.
00:07:36.000 But the Democrats have a ready answer to that.
00:07:38.000 The problem is the vestigial power of white males in every institution.
00:07:42.000 The problem is we just haven't gone far enough that systemic racism, systemic sexism, the patriarchy, it's all more deeply rooted than we thought.
00:07:51.000 We need more of this.
00:07:53.000 So keep electing us.
00:07:54.000 It continues to work. 0.96
00:07:56.000 When they create problems with immigration, when they mess up our labor market, when they drive down wages with it, they always have the ready response more immigration to fix this.
00:08:06.000 The problem is we haven't done enough amnesty. 0.53
00:08:07.000 The problem is we haven't gone far enough on this.
00:08:10.000 We need to triple down on this.
00:08:13.000 And this works for a lot of people, especially the fact that as a side effect of their policy, they bring in new voters.
00:08:19.000 And as we see in cities like New York or in states like California, they can create Massive economic problems with socialism, with price controls, with overregulation.
00:08:29.000 And they have the ready excuse of, well, greedy capitalists are messing everything up.
00:08:33.000 We need even more of this to solve the problem.
00:08:35.000 That is the line the Biden administration took when they launched huge amounts of inflation in 21 and 22.
00:08:42.000 They literally said, companies invented being greedy.
00:08:45.000 They have decided to be more greedy than in the past.
00:08:48.000 That is why prices are up.
00:08:49.000 And that meant cost of living was still an issue in 22.
00:08:52.000 And they had a surprisingly good midterm.
00:08:55.000 But we face something.
00:08:57.000 We face a curse right now as conservatives that this administration, more than any we've ever seen, has actually delivered so hard on issues that they have receded from the public consciousness.
00:09:09.000 That they have cut immigration so much and secured the border so much that voters aren't thinking about it anymore.
00:09:16.000 There's not that many, there's not border caravans arriving every day. 0.70
00:09:19.000 There's not a meltdown at the border because 10,000 Haitians have set up an encampment, so it's not in voters' minds. 0.89
00:09:27.000 We're getting the same thing on crime. 0.50
00:09:30.000 Crime is down a lot.
00:09:31.000 And so voters just don't think, wow, I live in way less fear of being mugged, of being shot, of being murdered.
00:09:38.000 I don't have to worry about my kids nearly as much.
00:09:41.000 So it's just not in their minds.
00:09:43.000 On the trans issue, the Trump administration rolled in and said no men and women's sports.
00:09:47.000 We're stopping that. 0.72
00:09:48.000 We're going to make it so you can sue hospitals. 1.00
00:09:50.000 We're shutting down gender clinics. 0.96
00:09:52.000 We're keeping schools from propagandizing you with all of this.
00:09:57.000 Turned the tide on that issue so decisively that it was a big issue in 2024, one of the most successful issues for Republicans, and it's now just not in voters' minds.
00:10:08.000 This is an existential crisis for our movement if us succeeding on our political goals makes it so that we are less successful politically.
00:10:19.000 So, how are we going to solve that?
00:10:20.000 First, I want you guys to email in if you have any ideas or thoughts on this.
00:10:24.000 I'd love to hear it.
00:10:25.000 We're talking about this phenomenon in.
00:10:30.000 That we have the first administration that has, let's put it this way, as President Trump used to say, you'll get tired of winning.
00:10:37.000 And it seems that rather than getting tired of winning, a lot of people have gotten bored of winning.
00:10:43.000 They've gotten distracted by winning, they have stopped thinking about winning.
00:10:48.000 It is the fact that for the first time ever, you can win on an issue so decisively that it actually entirely recedes from the voters' consciousness.
00:10:59.000 And this is a big problem for the right that we need to be thinking about.
00:11:03.000 And this is not even a theoretical concern.
00:11:05.000 As we know, the midterms are coming up.
00:11:08.000 And whatever your issues on the Iran war, whatever your issues on affordability, there should be a very strong case to be made that this administration is good at solving problems.
00:11:18.000 That they ran in 2024 and said, we will fix the border that's in this huge crisis, and they fixed it overnight. 1.00
00:11:24.000 That we can fix the flood of immigrants into this country. 1.00
00:11:27.000 That we can fix the trans issue and not have you. 1.00
00:11:31.000 Not have these gender goblins running around trying to groom your kids. 1.00
00:11:35.000 This is an administration that can solve problems, and that's a reason to trust us in other things. 1.00
00:11:40.000 But the problem is, people just aren't thinking about those issues where they won.
00:11:44.000 And the long term outcome of this can be bad.
00:11:47.000 As an example, in Sweden, they just had an election.
00:11:51.000 And Sweden, we know, is a very left wing country generally, but they had a conservative government by their standards for the last few years.
00:11:58.000 And that government had a similar problem that they ran on crime being out of control, mostly due to heavy immigration.
00:12:05.000 They ran on the immigration itself being out of control, and they took action and they basically fixed these issues.
00:12:10.000 They made it so there's net out migration from Sweden for the first time in ages.
00:12:14.000 They stopped letting in new people, they encouraged a lot of Refugees and asylum seekers to actually go home rather than just permanently live in Sweden.
00:12:23.000 And due to that and some other efforts, they also drove crime down. 0.97
00:12:26.000 And the reward for Sweden's conservative party in government was they lost the next election.
00:12:32.000 And that's partly due to the demographic change of immigration, because heavily immigrant areas of Sweden were voting overwhelmingly left.
00:12:38.000 But the other part of it was what we're seeing here that once they solved an issue, it wasn't in voters' minds anymore.
00:12:46.000 So we need to ask ourselves this is an existential question.
00:12:49.000 How do we fix this?
00:12:51.000 How do we keep it so our wins are in the public's minds?
00:12:54.000 Or rather, maybe the inverse, you could say, how do we make sure voters are thinking about the fact that things will get really bad again the moment Democrats have the authority to do it?
00:13:05.000 That you might think crime is not an issue now.
00:13:07.000 It will be again if radical leftists who still believe in letting criminals roam free are back in charge. 0.94
00:13:15.000 That the border will be wide open again, it will be endless caravans from the third world again.
00:13:20.000 If they re obtain power, how can we get that in voters' minds? 1.00
00:13:24.000 And I was thinking about this in the context of that conversation we had yesterday with Rich Barris.
00:13:30.000 Rich, as you know, is polling about the midterms, and he's been, we have him on because he gives us some real talk.
00:13:35.000 He says it's tough, voters are dissatisfied with a lot of things.
00:13:39.000 And one of the things he highlighted is that voters have this sense that Washington doesn't care, that they're checked out.
00:13:47.000 And I think this goes back to the frustration all of us have had on this show with the United States Congress.
00:13:53.000 We have a Republican Congress right now.
00:13:56.000 Is that Republican Congress reflecting what we feel we should get from a Republican Congress when it's elected?
00:14:02.000 I think all of us would agree no, they haven't passed the Save Act.
00:14:07.000 They haven't passed legislation to bolster what the Trump administration is doing on immigration.
00:14:13.000 In general, they just haven't passed a lot of stuff.
00:14:15.000 There's been a lot of sclerosis.
00:14:18.000 And some of that is because there's cowards, there's people in Congress who've never liked the Trump agenda and they don't want to participate in it.
00:14:25.000 But some of it is structural.
00:14:27.000 And I think on the right, it's time for us to start thinking in somewhat revolutionary terms about how we should approach Congress to get more political wins.
00:14:37.000 And it's an idea I want to build out over the weeks and potentially months to come.
00:14:42.000 Because let's think about what's going on in Congress all the time.
00:14:45.000 We heard about these Jack Smith hearings, for example.
00:14:48.000 There's a lot of hearings in Congress, there's a lot of speeches that people deliver on C SPAN to an empty chamber.
00:14:53.000 No one's ever there when they're speaking on C SPAN, it's just done for the cameras so they can have clips to show off to people and post on X. There's a lot of confirmation battles.
00:15:02.000 They love to have confirmation hearings.
00:15:03.000 They love to take forever to hold them.
00:15:05.000 We have tons of positions that are unconfirmed for ambassadorships and lower level positions that there's a nominee and they just haven't voted on them for months on end.
00:15:12.000 They love to drag that out.
00:15:14.000 But there's not a lot of votes in Congress on core issues that Americans would understand.
00:15:21.000 So let's consider immigration, for example.
00:15:24.000 Despite all the progress the Trump administration, the executive branch, has made, there are still a lot of obstacles that exist on immigration.
00:15:31.000 The Supreme Court didn't rule the way we wanted on birthright citizenship, and that stinks.
00:15:34.000 And it's causing a lot of voters to be demoralized and say, We were betrayed, they abandoned us, they totally let us down.
00:15:41.000 And that's actually not the case.
00:15:43.000 The Trump administration tried something no other administration, Republican or Democrat, had ever been willing to attempt, trying to reinterpret the 14th Amendment so that it means what the text says.
00:15:54.000 And they're also trying to find administrative ways to dial back birth tourism, to check birthright citizenship, make sure that foreigners aren't taking advantage of it as much as they have.
00:16:06.000 But who's not really taking action is Congress.
00:16:08.000 And some congressmen have proposed ideas.
00:16:09.000 We've heard great things from Brandon Gill, other members of Congress, what they would do.
00:16:14.000 But we're not getting a lot of up or down votes on this.
00:16:18.000 And that's what we actually need to be seeing.
00:16:19.000 We should be seeing Congress come out and be endlessly proposing single issue bills that they force Democrats to vote on.
00:16:27.000 Even if you can't get all the votes on it, we should be having these votes where Republicans are voting, for example, to say if you're a Chinese billionaire, you can't hire a surrogate to drop one or two or ten or a hundred in some cases anchor babies in this country who are all US citizens. 0.59
00:16:45.000 vote to make it a crime when these people sail boats near the United States so they're in our territorial waters while pregnant, they have a kid, that person is apparently a U.S. citizen for life. 0.52
00:16:56.000 We should have them be voting up or down on an amendment to dial back birthright citizenship, to restrict it, to repeal it. 0.98
00:17:03.000 Make them be passing and voting on things all of the time.
00:17:07.000 And I think this is a way you can keep this issue front and center in voters' minds.
00:17:12.000 They should be seeing a party that is voting aggressively to fix specific issues.
00:17:17.000 Don't pass omnibus bills.
00:17:18.000 Don't pass these big sweeping things that are hard to explain.
00:17:21.000 Don't bury it as an amendment in some spending bill that no one understands.
00:17:26.000 I mean, single issue, up or down votes all the time.
00:17:30.000 And that will highlight a party that is trying to solve problems that are real, where they have a big advantage over the Democrats in the public sentiment, and a party that just wants problems.
00:17:41.000 Another issue that's possible gas prices.
00:17:43.000 Yeah, gas prices are up due to Iran, they're up due to the war in Ukraine.
00:17:47.000 But they're also up because we haven't built a refinery in the past half century.
00:17:51.000 And that's due to environmental rules, bureaucratic obstacles.
00:17:55.000 We haven't tried really to build one.
00:17:57.000 So, what if Congress was having up or down votes?
00:18:00.000 We're going to try.
00:18:01.000 We mentioned the gas tax.
00:18:02.000 You could repeal the gas tax or sunset it.
00:18:04.000 You could also be doing, hey, here's our big initiative build new refineries, make more diesel.
00:18:09.000 This will make things more affordable for Americans.
00:18:12.000 If they were coming out and voting on this every day and making Democrats vote against it, then you're sending this message.
00:18:18.000 Extremism party versus help Americans party.
00:18:22.000 I'm not sure if this will work, but I think it's something that's worth trying because we have to overcome this problem of how do we make voters care about the issues that we have solved? 0.83
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00:20:24.000 So, a lot has been going on in the world of artificial intelligence, and an interesting thing about it is it's become an issue that's crossing the usual partisan lines.
00:20:34.000 So, for example, Politico had a poll recently that asked, Do you think AI is going to destroy humanity?
00:20:41.000 And basically, it was identical numbers between Donald Trump voters and Kamala Harris voters from 2024.
00:20:48.000 They asked, Do you think that we should slow down the development of AI?
00:20:52.000 And it's actually very similar numbers between Republican Trump voters and Harris voters.
00:20:57.000 A plurality for both of them say yes.
00:21:00.000 But there is one person out there who is very adamant that we should keep going as hard as possible on artificial intelligence.
00:21:07.000 Or, as he calls it, super intelligence.
00:21:09.000 And that is President Trump.
00:21:12.000 He had a summit about AI or SI, whatever you want to call it, with tech leaders.
00:21:18.000 And this is what he had to say.
00:21:19.000 Let's play clip six.
00:21:21.000 Look, if we want to destroy our country, then we should stop.
00:21:26.000 This is bigger than the Industrial Revolution, and largely for good.
00:21:31.000 And if we start doing what some people would like us to do, I mean, Bernie Sanders said, stop all work immediately.
00:21:37.000 Well, you can't stop work.
00:21:39.000 If you stop work, somebody's going to do it.
00:21:42.000 And whoever wins superintelligence wins.
00:21:46.000 That's it.
00:21:47.000 You know, I used to say whoever wins the other, but whoever wins superintelligence wins.
00:21:53.000 And right now there are two players it's us and China.
00:21:56.000 There practically is no third. 0.96
00:21:58.000 It's between the two of us, and it always will be.
00:22:01.000 And remember whoever wins superintelligence wins.
00:22:04.000 So that's the president.
00:22:05.000 He's saying go as hard as possible on AI.
00:22:09.000 We need to win it.
00:22:11.000 So, what's driving this, and is the president correct?
00:22:13.000 We're joined by Tim Parrish.
00:22:15.000 He is the vice president of the National Artificial Intelligence Association.
00:22:20.000 Tim, thank you for joining us.
00:22:22.000 And first question is it going to be renamed the National Super Intelligence Association?
00:22:28.000 Well, we are exploring that.
00:22:29.000 Blake, thanks very much for having me on with you.
00:22:32.000 We actually talked about this right after the president's summit and kind of joked about it that we might actually change the name.
00:22:39.000 But on a serious note, industry hasn't quite embraced this yet.
00:22:43.000 I understand why the president's doing it.
00:22:45.000 We're still having those conversations about if we want to change the name.
00:22:48.000 I like the name personally, Super Intelligence, but we're going to work with industry to get to that point.
00:22:54.000 Well, what's interesting about it is, as you say, it gets at a real phenomenon.
00:22:58.000 The reason he's talking about this is it's actually not like Gulf of America where it feels a little eccentric.
00:23:03.000 It's getting at something which is I think the president recognizes artificial intelligence as a label has a PR problem.
00:23:12.000 Over the past year, somewhat out of nowhere, we've seen this huge explosion of people.
00:23:17.000 Being opposed to data centers, for example.
00:23:19.000 Those are the supercomputers that they build, and it's the engine of AI development.
00:23:24.000 And that's not just an issue on the left.
00:23:26.000 It's not just an issue on the right.
00:23:27.000 It's blown up among both of them.
00:23:29.000 It's basically become an 80 20 issue against them.
00:23:32.000 And President Trump says this has a branding problem.
00:23:36.000 People are turning against it.
00:23:39.000 And what do you think is driving that?
00:23:41.000 And is this a real phenomenon?
00:23:43.000 And are tech leaders serious about addressing it?
00:23:46.000 Well, let's address a few of these things, Blake.
00:23:47.000 I think the president does have a legitimate point, right?
00:23:50.000 There are some concerns around the branding issue that we've seen sort of take over the AI conversation.
00:23:57.000 And communities have real concerns, right?
00:24:00.000 You get these data centers that are being built next to schools and churches and communities.
00:24:05.000 And they're loud and they're these monstrosities.
00:24:08.000 And so there are some concerns.
00:24:10.000 And with the use of natural resources like water and electricity, so there are some real legitimate concerns.
00:24:16.000 I think what the president has done is a great job bringing industry leaders together and saying, hey, maybe we should consider a rebrand.
00:24:23.000 Maybe we should look at a new name or a new approach to this.
00:24:26.000 Where the president is also correct, and most industry leaders are correct, is there is absolutely a national security imperative here with AI.
00:24:34.000 The president is 100% correct.
00:24:36.000 This is about China and the United States.
00:24:39.000 Obviously, we want the United States to be dominant in the AI space.
00:24:42.000 And so I do think it's an all-the-above approach.
00:24:44.000 Maybe we do have to look at a rebrand.
00:24:46.000 We do have to address the concerns that many communities around the nation have.
00:24:51.000 And simultaneously, we still have to win this competition.
00:24:54.000 So let's build that out.
00:24:55.000 We say we have to win.
00:24:58.000 What are the stakes here? 0.94
00:24:59.000 If China were to, let's say we reverse the situation where China was now the dominant player in AI, our models are not as good, not as efficient.
00:25:09.000 Not as powerful.
00:25:11.000 What does that mean for the country in specific terms besides just valuations of stock market companies?
00:25:19.000 Sure.
00:25:20.000 So, again, going back to the national security imperative, China is our near peer, you know, bipolar hegemon country in the world.
00:25:30.000 And I think when you look at how China operates, right, it's a communist state, it's a dictatorship with a horrible record on human rights and all those types of things.
00:25:38.000 And so, if you want that, kind of group to be leading AI with all of the vast capabilities, then there's an issue there.
00:25:46.000 Or you could have a constitutional republic like the United States with all of our freedoms and our liberty and our, you know, we've got the smartest people in the world right here in the United States that also believe still in liberty.
00:25:57.000 We still have a constitution that governs the way that we operate.
00:26:00.000 And so if you want those people to be the dominant forces sort of leading and developing AI, then that's, I mean, that's what I want.
00:26:08.000 I think that's what most of the free world in the Western world absolutely wants, not a communist state who sort of has this heavy hand, top-down approach to how they would use AI.
00:26:18.000 They are our near peer militarily when it comes to that.
00:26:22.000 And so when you look at the global competition, when you look at what could come out of a conflict potentially between the United States and China, you definitely want the, at least I want, and I think majority of Americans would want the country like ours who believes in liberty and ingenuity at the enterprise level and free markets.
00:26:41.000 We want those, we want a society like that to be the ones that are advancing AI.
00:26:45.000 Well, I think the free market issue has become a source, unfortunately, of some of the concern, reticence people have had.
00:26:52.000 There was this exchange.
00:26:54.000 Elon Musk has reconciled with the president.
00:26:56.000 They're collaborating on super intelligence.
00:26:58.000 And Elon Musk had this exchange with a reporter about the benefits that might come from this.
00:27:04.000 Clip five.
00:27:05.000 When you have robots and you have super intelligence, it means that everyone in the world can have better medical care than anyone here, including me.
00:27:15.000 And wouldn't that be wonderful?
00:27:18.000 Not if they haven't got a job.
00:27:20.000 Well, jobs are going to change.
00:27:22.000 Jobs have always changed.
00:27:24.000 So that's already a welcome improvement from what I think we heard before. 0.91
00:27:29.000 Tim, do you think there's a real case where basically because they needed to hype their models, because they wanted to get attention, maybe raise an IPO price, a lot of these companies came out and they started saying stuff 50% of white collar jobs will be destroyed in five years.
00:27:46.000 All of these other jobs will be destroyed.
00:27:48.000 And people are hearing that and they're not thinking we're getting way richer, we're getting way more prosperous.
00:27:54.000 They're just hearing this is going to completely.
00:27:56.000 Blow up my life.
00:27:57.000 Did they misplay that?
00:27:59.000 And should we be more optimistic that this will create much more prosperity than it will create misery?
00:28:05.000 Yeah, that's a great question, Blake.
00:28:06.000 And I think that the latter part of your question is the most important part it is going to create a lot more opportunity and prosperity for industries across the economy.
00:28:18.000 It's not going to take away jobs, it's actually going to make people's ability to do their jobs much more effective and much more efficiently.
00:28:25.000 Elon talking about the advances in medicine that we can make, we're already seeing.
00:28:29.000 Breakthroughs in cancer and research and certain types of diseases that are breaking through.
00:28:33.000 He also makes a very good point about every time our country has sort of embraced a new technology, we've not lost jobs, but we've sort of evolved.
00:28:41.000 The American people are extremely resilient and they're extremely, we're proud of our workforce.
00:28:47.000 We're proud of going to work and doing a hard day's labor.
00:28:50.000 And that the American people are going to move right along with AI and its ability to increase their ability to be effective and efficient and to produce at their jobs.
00:28:59.000 I don't think you're going to see very many jobs lost.
00:29:02.000 Quote unquote, I think that people, Americans are going to be extremely resilient and they're going to keep up with the technology and they're going to be positioned to be more effective and produce more efficiently within their job markets.
00:29:15.000 All right.
00:29:15.000 Everyone out there, if you have questions about AI for Tim, if you want to understand something more about it, shoot one over.
00:29:20.000 I might be able to ask him that.
00:29:21.000 But a very funny thing Gavin Newsom, the governor of California, he has issued an executive order saying that in his state, it shall only ever be called artificial intelligence, never super intelligence. 0.94
00:29:34.000 Kind of a stupid clash, I think, between the U.S. government and between Gavin.
00:29:39.000 But are we going to see the left in America become anti AI kind of just as a way of signaling against Trump? 0.99
00:29:49.000 Well, we don't.
00:29:50.000 Hopefully, AI doesn't become a partisan issue, right?
00:29:53.000 It shouldn't be left or right.
00:29:54.000 It should be about American dominance across our economy, no matter what political that you come from.
00:30:00.000 But I agree.
00:30:01.000 I think it's a waste of time that the governor of California put this out.
00:30:04.000 The president is trying to do this not for Republicans or Democrats, but he's trying to do it.
00:30:08.000 For the longevity and the prosperity of the entire country and positioning us to win a global competition.
00:30:14.000 So, I do think that's a waste of time, and we need more politicians who are taking this seriously.
00:30:18.000 It is fascinating.
00:30:20.000 It is fascinating because it does feel like President Trump is clearly just doing this because he thinks it matters for America, because the polls say his position right now is not the popular one.
00:30:30.000 And I think that's very interesting.
00:30:31.000 We got an email from one of our listeners, Kyrie, and she says, artificial intelligence is artificial.
00:30:37.000 To call it something else, Is deceptive and it is dangerous.
00:30:42.000 And what does the president mean when he says we have to win the artificial intelligence thing?
00:30:47.000 In fact, I think this is actually a good question for you, Tim.
00:30:49.000 What does it mean to win artificial intelligence?
00:30:52.000 What does having won look like?
00:30:55.000 Because Kyrie suggests that might be a terrifying thought.
00:30:58.000 What is the end game?
00:30:59.000 Is there a point at which you have won the AI race or is it sort of a Red Queen's race?
00:31:04.000 You just endlessly have to run faster and faster.
00:31:06.000 Yeah, I don't think that there is necessarily an end.
00:31:10.000 To artificial intelligence.
00:31:11.000 It's such a vast and sort of always ever changing, ever evolving system or piece of technology that I don't think it'll ever have an end that you sort of want, which is a good thing, right?
00:31:23.000 That means that the investment and folks continuing to work on artificial intelligence or super intelligence will stay at it.
00:31:29.000 But look, I want to validate the concerns.
00:31:32.000 I understand why people sort of have these concerns about AI.
00:31:36.000 It was sprung on us kind of quickly.
00:31:39.000 You know, it came out of nowhere and then it took off, and we're still trying to get our heads wrapped around it from a societal standpoint.
00:31:46.000 So I get the concerns, but yeah, I think it's going to continue to be something that we'll have to work at for years and years to come.
00:31:51.000 That's a good thing.
00:31:53.000 Yeah.
00:31:53.000 We got another one from Aaron who says he has no problem with any Democrats using artificial intelligence.
00:31:58.000 Isn't that what Democrats are?
00:32:00.000 Artificially intelligent.
00:32:02.000 Wonderful to use the term super intelligence.
00:32:04.000 That's a funny line.
00:32:05.000 Something interesting, though, we were talking about how it's becoming a more partisan issue.
00:32:09.000 And this happened in Minneapolis, their city council the other day.
00:32:13.000 They passed a bill.
00:32:15.000 I'm not sure if it's final legislation yet, but they're working on it at least, to require that any AI driven cab, a driverless cab, would have to have some human seated in it.
00:32:27.000 Just.
00:32:27.000 As a driver sitting there doing nothing but occupying it.
00:32:31.000 And I think that's an interesting illustration of this temptation we're going to see, which is to generate make work jobs to offset AI, try to basically make it illegal to get rid of certain jobs.
00:32:44.000 Is that the sort of thing that you would say is a threat we should worry about?
00:32:48.000 That we're going to hobble AI out of concern to preserve jobs that it might make more sense to retire those? 0.99
00:32:55.000 I mean, I think with cabs, we've had endless immigration from the third world to drive Ubers. 0.99
00:33:00.000 And we could just stop doing that instead. 1.00
00:33:02.000 But we're seeing the opposite.
00:33:03.000 We're seeing we have to protect all of these jobs that Americans didn't want to do in the first place.
00:33:09.000 Yeah, Blake, again, I'll just reiterate nothing about AI should be partisan, but we definitely want to get government out of the way of industry.
00:33:17.000 We have a saying in our organization that Washington doesn't know AI, AI doesn't know Washington.
00:33:22.000 We've seen in the past, just like we're seeing now, that when government gets too involved, when the heavy hand of government comes down and tries to overregulate, that it makes it just burdensome on industry.
00:33:32.000 We need to get government out of the way.
00:33:35.000 Of these industry leaders and let their ingenuity and their innovation flow because that's going to keep us dominant in this global competition.
00:33:43.000 So, I don't think you're going to again, I don't think you're going to see people lose their jobs.
00:33:46.000 I think what you're going to see is the cab driver get much more efficient at his job.
00:33:50.000 It's going to produce better and faster routes for him or her to get people from point A to point B and to get paid for it, right?
00:33:56.000 I think that we believe in free market, we believe in capitalism and people making money off of their labor.
00:34:03.000 And AI is just going to make that ability that much stronger.
00:34:07.000 We also believe in the human element.
00:34:08.000 We don't want to see humans removed from decision making, especially critical things like driving.
00:34:14.000 So, Tim, you mentioned we don't want regulation throttling the industry, but probably the most interesting development of the past month or so is you've had AI leaders like Dario Amade, he's the CEO of Anthropic, probably one of the five most important people in the world right now.
00:34:28.000 For all of you who don't follow this, it's worth being aware of it.
00:34:31.000 And he came out and he said in an essay that actually did read like he probably wrote it with AI assistance that we should, they called it pace the frontier, that we should deliberately.
00:34:41.000 Slow down AI development, create more moats, create more regulations and inspections.
00:34:47.000 So it sounds like some industry leaders are saying there should be some regulation.
00:34:51.000 Is that coming from real concern over what AI might do if it just grows unchecked?
00:34:58.000 Or do you think it's, as some people have suggested, they're trying to throw up moats so that now they can kind of, if you're anthropic, if you're open AI, you are sort of established as the industry leader and no one can do what you did?
00:35:12.000 In order to become a top player.
00:35:14.000 Yeah, look, I can't speak for him specifically, but I will tell you that we have thousands of members that are a part of our trade association.
00:35:20.000 And the general consensus is not that we don't want any regulation.
00:35:24.000 We just don't want over-regulation, right?
00:35:26.000 We know that the government's going to get involved to ensure safety, to ensure fair practice or fair play and those types of things.
00:35:33.000 But we just don't want the government to get in the way and hinder these innovators from innovating and creating good, high-paying jobs for the American people.
00:35:41.000 And so we're not calling for no regulation.
00:35:43.000 We're just saying, We don't want to overregulate it and overburden these innovators and get in their way so much so that they can't produce, they can't innovate and create, which we know creates jobs and keeps us, as I keep reiterating, dominant in this global competition for AI.
00:36:01.000 Let's see, do we have any more from people?
00:36:03.000 We have Abby says, I think renaming it is fine because it's not 100% artificial.
00:36:08.000 It is programmed by humans, it learns from humans and from the internet.
00:36:11.000 So we shouldn't call it artificial.
00:36:13.000 It is merely super.
00:36:15.000 But speaking of super, I think one reason.
00:36:17.000 President Trump is going for that label is this sense that it's not merely a replica or replacement for human beings, that it has potential to exceed us.
00:36:28.000 Should we take that seriously?
00:36:30.000 Some people like to come out and say AI is going to cure cancer.
00:36:34.000 It's going to create, they talk about a singularity where the AI keeps making itself smarter because it's smarter than us and can develop itself faster and will reach some sort of post scarcity utopia.
00:36:47.000 Is this something that?
00:36:47.000 We should take seriously as something that could happen, or is this a marketing pitch for Anthropics IPO?
00:36:54.000 Look, I would say, like I've said on other shows, leave that stuff to the movies, right?
00:36:58.000 I think Will Smith did a movie about robots taking over, leave it on the screen.
00:37:02.000 This is not real.
00:37:03.000 Humans will always be involved in the development of AI.
00:37:07.000 AI works off of human input, right?
00:37:09.000 And it does sort of take all that data and respond to it, but it works off of human element.
00:37:15.000 And again, the people that are developing, the American companies that are developing AI.
00:37:20.000 Are some of the smartest engineers, some of the smartest operators and developers in the world on planet Earth, right here in the United States, developing?
00:37:28.000 And they are putting safety mechanisms and stop gaps in place to ensure that we don't get to this sort of robots taking over type thing.
00:37:35.000 So, no, I would say leave that stuff to the screens.
00:37:38.000 What AI is going to do, what it's doing now, what it's going to do in the future is it's going to aid humans in being more productive and being more productive efficiently.
00:37:47.000 That's it.
00:37:47.000 It's a tool that people are going to use, just like a hammer or a saw or what have you.
00:37:52.000 It's going to be a tool that people are going to use to be much more effective.
00:37:55.000 And no one should be afraid.
00:37:57.000 While we validate, we understand, no one should be afraid of AI taking over the world.
00:38:02.000 All right.
00:38:03.000 Well, thank you for joining us, Tim.
00:38:04.000 This is a super important topic.
00:38:06.000 I think if we look five years in the future, what happens with AI will be the thing that impacts all of our lives the most.
00:38:12.000 So we need to be talking about it.
00:38:14.000 And we'll be continuing to cover this.
00:38:16.000 But, Tim, thank you for helping answer some of our viewers' questions.
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00:39:28.000 We're going to have a very education, a very America's school focused hour here because we have two excellent stories that merited it.
00:39:36.000 When I was out for one day last week, I was going on Jeremy Boring's show at the same time.
00:39:42.000 I was super bummed.
00:39:43.000 Because I missed out on the Nicole Hannah Jones story. 0.96
00:39:47.000 She wrote an incredibly viral article about sending her daughter to a failing school in New York City, how her daughter kind of called her out and said, You sabotaged my education for political reasons. 0.99
00:40:01.000 Whole big thing.
00:40:02.000 And Andrew got to talk about it with Helen Andrews, and I wasn't able to participate.
00:40:06.000 So I am incredibly grateful to Evan Barker, who's been on our show a couple times, because she wrote an article of her own for The Times in Britain.
00:40:16.000 I was a white girl at a majority black school.
00:40:19.000 Here is what the education debate gets wrong.
00:40:22.000 And it's very much a response and a follow up to Nicole Hannah Jones' article.
00:40:27.000 So, Evan, are you there?
00:40:30.000 Hi.
00:40:30.000 Hi, Blake.
00:40:31.000 Thanks for having me.
00:40:32.000 Welcome back.
00:40:33.000 It's great to see you again.
00:40:34.000 And so, I'll throw it to you.
00:40:37.000 Describe your experience because I think it's one a lot of Americans don't necessarily know about and understand.
00:40:44.000 And what can we learn from it?
00:40:45.000 Yeah, it's interesting.
00:40:46.000 I actually looked up the statistics.
00:40:48.000 Only about 7% of white people.
00:40:50.000 In America, have the experience of going to a majority black school.
00:40:55.000 And even just saying that, you know, the title alone can be a very taboo thing for some reason to a lot of people.
00:41:03.000 But I think it's important to discuss and to talk about.
00:41:06.000 You know, I started the article by juxtaposing the decision that Nicole Hannah Jones made to send her daughter to an inner city lower performing school, and then the decision that my mother was forced to make.
00:41:23.000 I think the prime difference is being that she decided to do this essentially, what I wrote in my piece was to virtue signal to her elite friends that she was a good person and that she was doing the work by integrating her daughter from a more wealthy and privileged background into a school with kids that were living in poverty.
00:41:48.000 And my mother lost her job in the early 2000s and we fell behind on rent and we were evicted from our.
00:41:56.000 Apartment, and we had to move in with my great grandmother, and we shared a bedroom for two years.
00:42:01.000 I was no longer allowed to have friends over during this time, you know, because my mom was embarrassed of our living situation.
00:42:07.000 She enrolled me in the local schools due to not having any other options.
00:42:14.000 She, you know, I went to a majority black school, and I, you know, it was a one out of 10 rated school in Kansas City, Missouri.
00:42:24.000 I experienced what that was like, and I experienced.
00:42:29.000 Just the sort of chaos and disruptions that happen on a day to day basis.
00:42:34.000 You know, Blake, and I actually think it's kind of, people don't realize 90% of those kids actually do want to learn, but there's about 10% of them that are just constantly causing chaos and they are never reprimanded.
00:42:48.000 So let's build that out because a lot of people, they make that mistake, they think it's the 60s or the 50s, and they'll say, the problem is these schools are underfunded.
00:42:57.000 It's been pointed out, they usually are overfunded, they have a lot of money going to them.
00:43:02.000 Lack of money is not the problem.
00:43:04.000 So, you can can you describe in more detail when you say 10% or so of the kids are disruptive, what's happening?
00:43:11.000 Because I think a lot of people, they lack any sense of perspective for what's going on.
00:43:15.000 You're in a math class.
00:43:17.000 What is happening that is keeping you from learning math?
00:43:19.000 Yeah.
00:43:20.000 And so I went there in the sixth and seventh grade.
00:43:22.000 And that's actually in Missouri, the time when algebraic concepts are first introduced to children.
00:43:27.000 So it's a very critical time, right?
00:43:30.000 And it can really build upon the rest of your educational career.
00:43:34.000 And I remember in our math class, we had an excellent math teacher.
00:43:37.000 I really, really liked him a lot.
00:43:40.000 And we had palm pilots.
00:43:43.000 Actually, I don't know if you remember the Palm Pilot, but it was like an educational.
00:43:48.000 Pretty smartphone, smartphone.
00:43:50.000 Right.
00:43:50.000 So every student got a Palm Pilot assigned to them.
00:43:54.000 You know, the school itself, if you just drove by it, it would not look like a bad school to you.
00:44:01.000 Like it is, you know, newer facilities.
00:44:04.000 I actually looked into the specific school that I went to, and they spend on average $5,000 or more per pupil than all other, you know, Missouri schools combined.
00:44:16.000 And it's in the lowest, like, 5% of schools in Missouri.
00:44:20.000 The average teacher there has 10 and a half years of experience.
00:44:25.000 That was another thing that Nicole Hannah Jones put in her article is that these teachers don't have experience.
00:44:30.000 That wasn't the case for me at all.
00:44:32.000 My teachers were very experienced.
00:44:34.000 So, as you say, it's still hugely disruptive.
00:44:37.000 So, again, let's circle that.
00:44:38.000 What is happening in the classroom that is making it, we can say they're disruptive, that they don't want to learn.
00:44:45.000 But what are they actually doing?
00:44:46.000 Are they just making huge amounts of noise?
00:44:48.000 Are they hitting people?
00:44:49.000 Are they attacking the teachers?
00:44:51.000 What's physically going on?
00:44:53.000 Yeah.
00:44:53.000 So for me, every day almost was like a fight for survival.
00:44:57.000 There were days where I really did not want to go to school and my mom would keep me home.
00:45:01.000 But, you know, we would be in class, like learning and a child would just start a fight with another child or spitballs or, you know, say something.
00:45:14.000 Honestly, like it felt like at times like my teachers were being abused.
00:45:18.000 You know, I actually had a lot of empathy for the teachers in these situations because the students would stand up. during class and just start yelling at them and cussing them out.
00:45:28.000 And I remember one time I saw a student get physical.
00:45:32.000 He tried to like push, you know, his hand up against the neck of my math teacher.
00:45:38.000 And, you know, they did call the, you know, it's called an SRO officer.
00:45:42.000 They did call him.
00:45:43.000 But, you know, it's like I would hardly ever see these kids like they might be removed temporarily from class, but usually not unless it got really extreme and, you know, unless it did turn physical.
00:45:57.000 But they could just sort of have these emotional outbursts in class.
00:46:03.000 And the teacher would just have to deal with it on their own.
00:46:06.000 And I think that what people miss is that the teachers are outnumbered oftentimes.
00:46:11.000 And they're not empowered.
00:46:13.000 There was a situation for me towards the end of my seventh grade year where there were like two or three kids that had collectively kind of decided to target me.
00:46:25.000 I was kind of a scrawny, nerdy kid, to be honest with you, back in seventh grade.
00:46:31.000 And they wanted to pick on me, and I had an asthma inhaler, you know, but they wanted to pick on me.
00:46:36.000 And so they, you know, started harassing me every day, threatening to jump me.
00:46:41.000 And I remember I was scared I'd be sort of like dodging people during the passing periods.
00:46:45.000 And I stopped going to my locker.
00:46:48.000 I saw a friend of mine actually get like beat up so badly by his locker that he was laying on the ground, like passed out, and there was a pool of blood forming around his head.
00:47:02.000 And so, you know, you would sort of see these things happen.
00:47:05.000 And there was at least a daily fight that would break out in the hallways, alarms blaring.
00:47:11.000 Towards the end, this was happening where I was getting threatened to be jumped.
00:47:16.000 And my mom had almost daily meetings with this school's principal.
00:47:20.000 She even threatened to call the ACLU.
00:47:23.000 This is back in the early 2000s.
00:47:25.000 Very different ACLU, though.
00:47:27.000 Yeah, very different.
00:47:28.000 I think she might have contacted them, actually.
00:47:30.000 But they would not expel the students who were harassing me, Blake, because they.
00:47:38.000 Said that they couldn't do so until they actually beat me up.
00:47:42.000 An aspect of this that's standing in mind.
00:47:43.000 Do you feel you were the target of race based bullying in your school?
00:47:47.000 That you were a white girl and they went after you for that reason? 0.97
00:47:51.000 I do think that there was some of that, yeah.
00:47:55.000 In the instance that I'm specifically talking about, though, there was another white kid involved in bullying me.
00:48:02.000 But I did experience, yeah, I did.
00:48:05.000 I did.
00:48:05.000 And this is a tough thing to talk about, right?
00:48:07.000 You're not really supposed to talk about stuff like this, but it's the truth.
00:48:12.000 I did get comments on a regular basis from other kids about the color of my skin and being too pale or too skinny.
00:48:20.000 Like, literally, that was something, you know, I was a scrawny kid.
00:48:24.000 And yeah, I mean, that was a very real part of it.
00:48:29.000 And, you know, but what should really outrage people, I think, the most about this story is that, you know, the educational system, you know, due to the permissiveness in these schools, due to wanting to be equitable.
00:48:44.000 You know, we are basically sacrificing 80 to 90 percent of the kids who really do want to get an education for the 20 or 10 percent that don't, and I think that that is what is saddest of all about this whole situation.
00:49:00.000 Um, you know, I ended up leaving that school at the end of seventh grade and I went to a school in the suburbs.
00:49:08.000 Um, you know, my mom actually like remarried, and I think a part of her calculus truly for doing that, she admitted to.
00:49:15.000 This to me years later.
00:49:17.000 I know that people don't like when I say this either, but was to get me out of that school.
00:49:21.000 And, you know, I ended up going to a school in the suburbs.
00:49:23.000 And when I got there, I had absolutely no idea what was going on.
00:49:28.000 They were so far ahead of me in math.
00:49:31.000 I never caught up.
00:49:32.000 When I got to my freshman year of college, I had to take remedial math because my ACT scores in math were so low. 0.89
00:49:40.000 And I went to a majority white school in the state of Kansas. 0.64
00:49:44.000 And when I got there, I noticed the only class where Half of the children were non white, was actually the remedial math class.
00:49:53.000 And I remember looking around the very first day of school and noticing that. 0.52
00:49:58.000 And I was like, oh my God, it's because they went to the same school that I did.
00:50:03.000 They went to the same types of schools.
00:50:06.000 You know, they were able to manage to make it to college like me.
00:50:11.000 And they went to these same schools and they were failed as well, probably for the exact same reasons that I was.
00:50:18.000 And I think that that is the greatest injustice of all.
00:50:20.000 And it was so frustrating to me.
00:50:23.000 To read this article from Hannah Jones, where her own group has advocated for less punitive measures for classroom disruptions, and for her to not come to this conclusion herself, but instead to blame the teachers and paint them as lazy or bored or disinterested.
00:50:41.000 And that is just absolutely the wrong takeaway.
00:50:43.000 And you know what?
00:50:44.000 Hannah Nicole, or Nicole Hannah Jones blocked me, Blake, about two years ago after the election.
00:50:49.000 I think we got some sort of.
00:50:51.000 Yeah, but you know what?
00:50:52.000 Since this article's come out, she's unblocked me.
00:50:55.000 Kind of interesting, right?
00:50:56.000 Maybe she saw it.
00:50:59.000 Yeah, I think it's sad.
00:51:01.000 It's the wrong decision.
00:51:02.000 I think it's such a good comparison, a miniature form of what we say so often on crime.
00:51:09.000 That when people want to go very easy on criminals, when they want to let a bunch of people out of jail, when they want to dial back sentences and they send crime up, the biggest victims are everyone else who lives in high crime neighborhoods.
00:51:21.000 Because most people, even in the most dangerous neighborhoods, are not criminals.
00:51:26.000 But what they are very often is victims.
00:51:28.000 And it's so depressing here.
00:51:30.000 As you mentioned in your article, 29 states and DC have laws that.
00:51:36.000 Deliberately restrict formal suspensions and expulsions.
00:51:40.000 In California, our biggest state, it is illegal for a school to expel a pupil for just willful defiance.
00:51:48.000 That's really what you were describing when kids are aggressively disrupting class and refusing to learn and making it impossible for everyone else and disruptive behavior.
00:51:57.000 You can't expel kids for that.
00:51:59.000 And it's sort of this total capitulation.
00:52:02.000 Eventually, you get these fake schools.
00:52:04.000 They are at best a form of really bad daycare, they're going to pass everyone regardless of what they can do.
00:52:10.000 They're going to just, it's like a holding pen.
00:52:12.000 And it's indefensible because it's basically, as you say, sacrificing 80 or 90% of kids for the worst and most disruptive 10%, who themselves would be better served by facing accountability for once in their lives.
00:52:29.000 I want to ask you wrote your book, Nothing Left.
00:52:31.000 It is about you.
00:52:32.000 You were a Democrat activist, a Democrat campaign worker, and so on, and you left them behind.
00:52:39.000 Have you ever told this story to people on the left as something that?
00:52:43.000 Gave you concern in education?
00:52:45.000 And if so, how did they react to it?
00:52:48.000 I actually did not the specific stuff about the lack of funding, or sorry, the not being lack of funding, but I would sometimes bring these stories up in reference to them saying that it was impossible for white people to experience racism.
00:53:08.000 Because I knew from my experience at a young age and being a minority in that school that that's not true.
00:53:14.000 and that I did experience racism in that school and that I was bullied because of my race.
00:53:20.000 And so I would tell them that I had the experience of going to a school where I was in the minority as a white person and that, you know, other black kids, yeah, they bullied me because of my race.
00:53:31.000 And of course, it would always make them very uncomfortable. 0.95
00:53:35.000 And they would not ask questions.
00:53:38.000 There would not be follow-up.
00:53:39.000 It would just be kind of like them staring back at me and not really knowing what to say.
00:53:44.000 Have you gotten any interesting communications from any of those people over this piece, as an example?
00:53:50.000 Or people lashed out at you and said, What are you doing?
00:53:54.000 Yeah, no, none of my former colleagues have talked to me about this piece.
00:53:58.000 It's something that's still so taboo to talk about.
00:54:01.000 I think mostly just people on the right have actually engaged with me over it.
00:54:06.000 But I think we need to talk about it.
00:54:07.000 We can't be afraid to talk about race.
00:54:08.000 We can't be afraid to talk about these issues. 1.00
00:54:11.000 We are sacrificing whole generations of black students, mostly.
00:54:18.000 That want to learn. 0.77
00:54:20.000 We are setting them up for failure for the rest of their lives because we're not implementing things like alternative schools.
00:54:28.000 We're not telling kids that if they behave this way, they're going to get kicked out of school.
00:54:32.000 They're going to have to do homeschooling, right?
00:54:34.000 They're going to have to do virtual school.
00:54:36.000 They're going to have to go to an alternative program.
00:54:38.000 They might go to prison.
00:54:40.000 Right.
00:54:40.000 And I'm not saying that you can't create some sort of system where these kids can prove that they can get reintegrated back into normal school, right?
00:54:50.000 There can be some sort of second chance program, right?
00:54:53.000 I don't think that just because you make a mistake when you're 11 or 12, that that means you can't ever prove that you're able to be mature enough to go back into a regular school.
00:55:04.000 But I think that it has to shift from being like, we're not going to grade, we're not going to ever discipline to, okay, we're actually going to.
00:55:15.000 Present consequences to kids and then give them the opportunity to prove that you can change.
00:55:21.000 Check out her book, Nothing Left.
00:55:22.000 Check out her article.
00:55:24.000 Thank you for joining us again.
00:55:27.000 I talk about jobs and industries on this show all the time, but I didn't expect to find an entire skills trade community on TikTok.
00:55:35.000 Plumbers, electricians, builders, and contractors sharing the work they do every day.
00:55:40.000 And it went way beyond tips and tricks.
00:55:42.000 People were sharing their craft, connecting with local contractors, and talking about.
00:55:46.000 How they were building their businesses and growing their teams.
00:55:49.000 It opened my eyes to how people in the trades are using TikTok to share their skills, make connections, and find new opportunities.
00:55:55.000 I remember thinking, this is exactly what we need more of people sharing what they know and creating opportunities for others.
00:56:01.000 And I never expected to find a community like this.
00:56:04.000 That's the thing about TikTok.
00:56:06.000 You start with something you know, and suddenly you're finding a whole new side of it that surprises you and leaves you wanting to know more.
00:56:11.000 Your next discovery is waiting for you on TikTok.
00:56:14.000 Learn more at TikTok.comslash discover more.
00:56:20.000 So, we've talked a lot about AI.
00:56:22.000 We've talked about our elementary and high schools.
00:56:26.000 We're talking about the border.
00:56:27.000 We're talking about the economy.
00:56:28.000 There's a lot of things going on.
00:56:29.000 But right now, if you go to the New York Times, the biggest paper in America, the lead story is none of those things.
00:56:37.000 If you go on TikTok, the biggest source of chatter is none of those things.
00:56:41.000 The biggest story unfolding this week is happening at the Ivy League School of Cornell.
00:56:48.000 University.
00:56:49.000 I don't want to get too into the details because it is very graphic, but to summarize it, a girl at Cornell went to a frat party.
00:56:58.000 She is claiming that she was sexually assaulted by seven different men, but it's causing a massive debate, and how people feel about this is reflecting a lot of other political priorities.
00:57:12.000 And so I thought that big picture take, at least, was very interesting.
00:57:16.000 And so, do we have Scott ready?
00:57:19.000 We do not.
00:57:20.000 All right.
00:57:20.000 We're waiting on Scott Greer to join us.
00:57:21.000 So while we wait, I'm going to summarize this a bit.
00:57:24.000 And so, as I said, this all happened in 2024.
00:57:28.000 A girl, she drank a lot.
00:57:31.000 She did some drugs. 0.91
00:57:32.000 She did ketamine.
00:57:33.000 She went to a frat house at Cornell University.
00:57:38.000 The specific fraternity was Chi Phi fraternity.
00:57:42.000 And she arrived there.
00:57:44.000 She took more alcohol.
00:57:46.000 She took more ketamine.
00:57:48.000 And she was apparently asked if she wanted to participate in a frat house.
00:57:53.000 Group sexual activity, which she says actually she agreed to.
00:57:57.000 This led to multiple things.
00:57:59.000 She eventually went to the police afterwards, but it's all become very sordid.
00:58:04.000 It's become an interesting display, frankly, of how our sexual morality today I think leads people to disaster.
00:58:12.000 That people are told the only thing that matters is whether you consent to things, the only thing that matters is did you in the moment say yes to it, when in reality, as Charlie would point out so often, This is a very important thing.
00:58:25.000 This is something that deeply affects your psychology.
00:58:28.000 It affects you spiritually, we believe.
00:58:30.000 It affects you at the deepest level.
00:58:32.000 And so, what seems to have happened here, the New York Times has done detailed reporting on this.
00:58:37.000 What seems to have happened is this girl, she had some form of sex with five, six, seven different men are involved in this.
00:58:46.000 Afterwards, she sobered up and she realized this was disgusting. 0.94
00:58:49.000 This was humiliating.
00:58:51.000 It's really hurt me.
00:58:53.000 And the only way she has to process that, unfortunately, is to believe, well, then it must have not been consensual.
00:58:59.000 But it ultimately seems that it was.
00:59:01.000 But this is something everyone's arguing about.
00:59:03.000 They all have takes.
00:59:03.000 And if you have a take, you should email us.
00:59:05.000 We do have Scott Greer now.
00:59:08.000 The reason I reached out to you, Scott, is you're the author of White Pill.
00:59:11.000 We had you on to discuss that.
00:59:13.000 But you also had a post on your highly respected Substack.
00:59:16.000 That's the name of it. 0.52
00:59:17.000 And you also, I remember your first book that we talked about a decade ago, No Campus for White Men. 0.79
00:59:24.000 Why don't you set the stage for us?
00:59:25.000 Why is this creating a giant reaction, especially on the left?
00:59:30.000 And what is it?
00:59:30.000 What are they kind of trying to revive for those who don't remember what it was like a decade ago?
00:59:35.000 Well, what they're trying to revive is the campus rapist area of the mid 2010s, which if you guys, if some of you guys might remember this, But in the mid 2010s, there was this huge concern, especially within the media, of a campus rape epidemic.
00:59:49.000 They claimed that one in five young women are getting raped on college campuses.
00:59:53.000 And this is a hugely important issue to the left and the media.
00:59:57.000 There was a Hunting Ground documentary that was very popular.
01:00:00.000 You had the Rape on Campus hoax, which turned out to be a huge disaster for Rolling Stone.
01:00:07.000 But that gained international attention.
01:00:10.000 And for those who don't remember, but a Rape on Campus was a famous hoax.
01:00:14.000 Where in University of Virginia, a young woman claimed that she was gang raped as part of a fraternity initiation ritual.
01:00:21.000 It turned out to be completely made up that the woman had never been at the fraternity house, but all these fraternities were suspended at UVA and the fraternity in question was harassed and had news cameras outside it all the time in relation to this hoax.
01:00:37.000 So really what we're seeing is after 10 years of this, and it was spurred on by an Obama administration directive in early 2010s.
01:00:48.000 Where they changed the ruling on Title IX, saying that now schools, in an effort to combat sexual harassment, had to have a higher standard for consent for what's considered consent.
01:00:59.000 And now that gave university administrators greater power to prosecute and persecute young men who were accused of dubious sexual assault allegations simply because they said, well, we feel you didn't have affirmative consent.
01:01:15.000 And it also put more onus on these universities to tackle.
01:01:20.000 Sexual harassment and alleged sexual assault, which led to a wave of young men being falsely accused of rape, such as we saw in the Rape on Campus story, as well as Mattress Girl at Columbia and several other cases of this, as I documented in my first book, No Campus for White Men.
01:01:37.000 So this became a big ordeal, and it seems that this attempt around Cornell, the intense attention around it, is an attempt to revive that media hysteria of the mid 2010s.
01:01:50.000 And it's happening at a weird moment because For most attention on college campuses, it's about how kids aren't going out, aren't going on dates, aren't sleeping around, aren't drinking.
01:02:01.000 And now we're trying to revive a campus rape epidemic story in the middle of a previous media cycle complaining about how college kids don't go out anymore, don't talk to the other gender and don't go on dates. 0.56
01:02:14.000 So I'm not sure how that's going to work, but they're trying to do this anyway.
01:02:17.000 And in the middle of all this, we have this growing man hate.
01:02:22.000 That is booming on social media, particularly female operated social media.
01:02:28.000 We already witnessed this with the Lindsey Clancy case and numerous other stories where all the men are seen as the worst villains imaginable, the worst possible people, and there's a need to demonize them more.
01:02:40.000 And so this story fits nicely in with that social media hysteria of our time.
01:02:46.000 Yeah, that's what's interesting to me.
01:02:49.000 You remember, I was with you at the Daily Caller, and I would cover the early days of this.
01:02:56.000 It's so funny because it feels like it just.
01:02:58.000 Was this huge moment and then totally fell off the face of the planet?
01:03:02.000 As you said, there was that Hunting Ground documentary.
01:03:04.000 I think I actually wrote a review of that for the caller back in the day.
01:03:08.000 There was the UVA hoax story.
01:03:11.000 The one that I remember very strongly was Ezra Klein, very much like the establishment's establishment.
01:03:18.000 I am going to show what the respectable centrist technocratic Democrat thinks.
01:03:22.000 And he had this headline that he wrote in 2014 that said, Yes means yes is a terrible law and I completely support it.
01:03:29.000 That was this attempt to rewrite.
01:03:32.000 The way consent works for human relationships, where to kiss somebody, to touch somebody, to have sex with somebody, you had to at every step of the way say, like, may I do this?
01:03:43.000 And, you know, maybe fill out, notarize a form to make sure it was recorded.
01:03:46.000 And otherwise, this could be used to charge you with a crime, with battery, with rape, with sexual assault.
01:03:53.000 And it was because of this one in five concept or one in four.
01:03:57.000 I think I once saw one in three, they would throw this number out.
01:04:00.000 And it does just, it does feel like an attempt to just.
01:04:04.000 Revive all of this again and to link it to the present.
01:04:08.000 As you said, there's this headline Two thirds of young Democrat women say men are to blame for most of society's problems.
01:04:15.000 That if you're basically a Democrat woman between ages of 30 and 49, 54% of Democrat women say men are a cause of their problems.
01:04:26.000 But for women 18 to 29, 66% are going to say that men are driving their problems.
01:04:35.000 And this just seems perfectly primed to To drive that on, like what phenomenon are we seeing here?
01:04:41.000 Are we basically seeing an unprecedented rupture in the relationship between the sexes?
01:04:47.000 Yeah, I think it is, especially among young people.
01:04:49.000 And it's driven, as I was talking about previously, that they're not interacting with one another.
01:04:53.000 As most headlines prior to this is complaining about good men's scarcity and how there's not enough men around and how men are mediocre. 0.99
01:05:01.000 There's this new trend in pop music, which is talking about how men suck. 0.92
01:05:05.000 I mean, this has been common before in pop music, but it's very common now. 0.99
01:05:10.000 With Sabrina Carpenter and numerous artists, where all the songs are about how men suck.
01:05:15.000 And that's also going along with a lot of the heteropessimism media trend that's also reflected in movies, TV shows, and music.
01:05:25.000 So I think that this is going in with there's now a split off in the gender and genders, and they're not interacting with each other anymore as much as they were in the past.
01:05:35.000 As I was talking about with all the data, it's showing that young people are going on fewer dates. 0.64
01:05:40.000 They're not interacting with the other gender. 0.51
01:05:41.000 There's much. 1.00
01:05:42.000 Higher degree of them staying single much longer.
01:05:46.000 And they talk about all the incel hate and all the rising misogyny and sexism coming from these angry young men on the internet and the red pillars.
01:05:56.000 But what's less talked about is the growing level of misogyny among the side of women and how it's normalized and encouraged by the mainstream media.
01:06:08.000 As you don't get that number of 66% of young democratic women thinking that all the problems are men without that being normalized within society.
01:06:17.000 You even have nearly 20% of Republican women thinking that in that age group.
01:06:22.000 And when they asked young men about this, and this is a huge problem where they say young men, you know, they all hate women.
01:06:28.000 They only got about a quarter of Republican leading men to say that all their problems are due to women.
01:06:35.000 And there's been other studies.
01:06:36.000 This isn't just a one off where they found other studies asking young women about this.
01:06:41.000 And about a third of them said that they have very strong hostility towards men.
01:06:47.000 So this is a widespread phenomenon and it's normalized on social media.
01:06:54.000 And within mainstream media to an extent that it would never be normalized for all the incel rhetoric and anti woman rhetoric that apparently comes from the red pillars.
01:07:04.000 But you have to, if you look at what's considered more of a social problem and a dangerous social trend, it's all entirely on the misogyny coming from these dark corners of the internet.
01:07:16.000 But there's pretty much less concern from the anti male hatred coming from your top 40 radio station, your big blockbuster film.
01:07:27.000 Your prestige TV show from New York Times, from New Yorker, from all the mainstream publications, there's less attention paid to that, even though that's having a bigger effect on the population.
01:07:40.000 Yeah, it does feel like we're in some sort of, for lack of a better term, it's unfortunate to say, but a death spiral where relations between men and women are pretty bad.
01:07:49.000 And a lot of it is because of years of attacks on men, demonization of men, and then it's making people angry, which means there's more appetite.
01:07:59.000 For stories that demonize men that make them look bad and will make it worse, as you said, the problem is college students, whatever the other flaws of college, one of the merits that even Charlie would bring up is it's a great place where you're around a bunch of other young people.
01:08:13.000 You should try to find a spouse while you're in college, find a serious relationship in college, and instead they're super isolated, they're frozen away from people.
01:08:22.000 And stories like this are going to drive that home, even if we don't actually want the stuff that's going on in the story because it's very sordid.
01:08:31.000 I am interested in how, despite their efforts to bring it back, it does seem like there's a cap on the hysteria.
01:08:36.000 It's unfolding in ways we might not expect.
01:08:39.000 It is a story that I think, if you read the details, it causes a lot of disgust.
01:08:44.000 It's a pretty gross story, in contrast to, I think you'd agree, Scott, UVA or Duke, where they're 100% made up allegations that never happened.
01:08:52.000 This one, it's a little more sordid.
01:08:54.000 It involves real behavior, it involves disgusting behavior.
01:08:57.000 It's just probably not criminal behavior.
01:09:00.000 And you've mentioned the left seems to have this desire to bring back the 2010s.
01:09:05.000 Revive this hysteria.
01:09:07.000 But what's interesting is, I think it shows how things have changed that already they're encountering far more resistance from places you wouldn't have expected it.
01:09:16.000 So, as an example, we have Sonny Hostin on The View.
01:09:18.000 She's a former prosecutor.
01:09:19.000 She said a lot of things we dislike, but she actually weighed in on this and said, I think this is going the wrong direction.
01:09:25.000 Let's play clip 11.
01:09:26.000 And under New York law, voluntary intoxication or drug use that merely impairs judgment does not legally constitute an inability to consent to sexual activity.
01:09:37.000 So that means if you voluntarily ingest drugs, you voluntarily take alcohol, you can agree to have threesomes, which in her statement she agreed to have two separate threesomes.
01:09:50.000 But I say all that to say the pictures of these young men who have not been charged, not been adjudicated, are being plastered all over the internet.
01:10:01.000 I think people are reporting this story inaccurately.
01:10:04.000 I think they're reporting it unfairly.
01:10:07.000 Now, I prosecuted sex crimes for 10 years. 0.99
01:10:10.000 I believe women.
01:10:11.000 I am not saying that we shouldn't believe her, but in 2024, she said one thing, and now in 2026, she's saying another.
01:10:18.000 That's the view. 0.82
01:10:19.000 That's the nerve center, I feel, of normal center left to far left liberal women thought. 0.64
01:10:25.000 And that's what Sonny Hostin is saying.
01:10:27.000 The New York Times, they've been investigating this and they had an article out today that highlights they dive into the details and they get text messages.
01:10:35.000 They basically discover well, the girl in this case, after it happened, she wasn't upset in the sense that I was assaulted, I was raped.
01:10:44.000 She was upset.
01:10:45.000 Everyone was laughing at her about what had happened.
01:10:47.000 And she was excited to go to another party at this fraternity and then.
01:10:52.000 They disinvite her from the fraternity.
01:10:54.000 She freaks out about that.
01:10:56.000 And they have this line that's actually very remarkable that's like, by November 4th, she had concluded that she was assaulted at the October party.
01:11:05.000 This feels different from how it would have unfolded a decade ago, doesn't it, Scott?
01:11:10.000 Oh, 100%.
01:11:11.000 When the Rape on Campus story was published by Rolling Stone in late 2014, nobody was questioning it.
01:11:18.000 Everyone accepted it as a horrific indictment on universities and America's fraternity culture.
01:11:25.000 There were a few brave souls, such as people like Robbie Suave at Reason, who was at Reason at the time, and a few others who simply just said, this story isn't adding up.
01:11:35.000 But when they said that, they were inundated with attacks.
01:11:39.000 They were completely seen as the worst possible people to deny the story, to cast any doubt on it. 0.99
01:11:47.000 But it turns out they were right.
01:11:48.000 Once more people began investigating it, once police began investigating it, they realized this whole story was made up.
01:11:55.000 Now, you are witnessing more mainstream investigations where there is more openness to doubt and to skepticism towards the story.
01:12:05.000 And as more people investigated, I mean, this was already criminally investigated by the district attorney.
01:12:11.000 And they found out while this was a gross act that certainly wouldn't be praised by normal and sensible people, there was no criminal wrongdoing done here, which the victim herself told one of the alleged rapists in a text message.
01:12:26.000 That nothing criminal happened, that nothing illegal happened.
01:12:30.000 And this does just seem that this girl eventually word got out.
01:12:34.000 She had consented to this, she agreed to it, and then she was being called the campus harlot for this act, for this activity.
01:12:43.000 She felt horrified by it and embarrassed by it, and she felt the only way to reclaim her sense of honor and dispel the shame is to claim she was raped here.
01:12:54.000 But it turns out that that's not a credible reason.
01:12:57.000 For sexual assault under the law, that you can't just simply consent to these acts, be fully fine with it, hope the fraternity invites you to a Halloween party, then you get uninvited to it, and then that's the cause for you filing a sexual assault claim.
01:13:13.000 That's not how the law works.
01:13:15.000 And it is a good thing that you are seeing Sonny Hosted and other people say, like, hey, this is clearly not a crime here, which is very different from how a lot of these allegations were made.
01:13:28.000 In the 2010s.
01:13:29.000 And even if you look at the Duke LaCrosse case, which was completely made up, that was treated as sacrosanct as scripture when that was first unveiled to the public in 2006.
01:13:41.000 So a lot of things have changed in a positive direction.
01:13:44.000 Three minutes left here, Scott.
01:13:45.000 I want to take it to a slightly bigger picture thing.
01:13:47.000 In 2024, President Trump made remarkable gains with young men as voters.
01:13:53.000 They voted more Republican than they had in basically a generation or more.
01:13:58.000 It seems pretty clear from polling that a lot of that enthusiasm has ebbed away over Epstein stuff, over Iran, over a variety of things.
01:14:09.000 Now we see we're getting reminded that the left still views young men very much.
01:14:15.000 A lot of the left, we're seeing some checks on this, but a lot of the left still views them as the enemy in the House right now.
01:14:22.000 The House Democrats are fighting to revive those Biden and Obama era Title IX rules that basically create kangaroo courts on campus, make it very easy to falsely accuse people and get them expelled.
01:14:33.000 There is a piece in the New York Post of all places saying Cornell 7 highlights the voluntary intoxication.
01:14:41.000 Loophole that, as far as I know, exists everywhere.
01:14:44.000 That if you voluntarily drink, that doesn't, that, you know, that still allows you to consent to things that you maybe not would have done if you hadn't voluntarily intoxicated yourself.
01:14:54.000 One minute here, Scott.
01:14:57.000 Is there an angle here where we can remind young men, especially young white men, guys in frats, that they are this designated enemy group for the left?
01:15:07.000 Is there any sort of political angle to this?
01:15:09.000 Or what's the situation?
01:15:11.000 How are young men thinking right now?
01:15:13.000 Yeah, absolutely.
01:15:14.000 I think that you can easily tell them that unlike Democrats, Democrats want to persecute you simply for being a young man and they view you as the enemy. 0.98
01:15:22.000 They view you as the worst possible scum in America, that they view you as the biggest danger simply for being yourself. 0.81
01:15:30.000 And under Democrats, they are going to institute extreme draconian laws on campuses and in society in general that are going to target you at a much higher standard and a much more severe degree than they would under. 0.98
01:15:47.000 A basic rule of law system that Republicans promise.
01:15:51.000 That Republicans aren't simply going to indict you because they want to believe that there's a campus rape epidemic, that they believe that there's toxic masculinity that we need to keep in check, that we think that young men are all the source of today's problems.
01:16:08.000 Republicans just simply say that we oppose that, that we want you to have a fair hearing in campus courts and in courts in general, unlike the Democrats that want to persecute you simply for being men.
01:16:20.000 And simply because they need to appease their crazy cat lady fan base.
01:16:27.000 All right.
01:16:27.000 Well, Scott, thank you very much.
01:16:29.000 Check out his book, White Pill. 1.00
01:16:30.000 Also, No Campus for White Men. 1.00
01:16:32.000 If you want to go back to that nasty era a decade ago, thank you very much. 1.00
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