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00:01:36.000For what we're going to be able to talk about in today's show, a lot of big stories that we haven't gotten to recently.
00:01:43.000One of the biggest ones, AI or super intelligence, depending on what you want to call it.
00:01:49.000A ton has been happening that over the last month or so.
00:01:53.000And I think it's time that we talked about it.
00:01:55.000We should talk about why President Trump is particularly bullish on super intelligence, as he now calls it, even as a lot of people on the left and on the right and within the tech world are saying, This might be going too fast.
00:02:18.000We're also going to be talking about the Cornell fraternity story.
00:02:22.000If you're on social media, if you're on TikTok, if you're following the news, this has become one of the absolute biggest dramas online these days.
00:02:31.000It's kind of become the sequel to the Lindsey Clancy story in some ways, as the case everyone has an opinion on.
00:02:37.000So we'll be talking to Scott Greer about that.
00:02:40.000But first, I think it's time for us to.
00:02:44.000It's a little bit of a follow up to the discussion we had with Rich Barris yesterday.
00:02:48.000And it's about issues and what the voters care about going into these midterms.
00:02:54.000And we're facing a strategic problem that I don't think we've ever seen before in American politics, at least not in my lifetime.
00:03:04.000And a few headlines from last night and this morning got me thinking about this.
00:03:10.000First of all, We have this headline from Axios, and it says, How Trump's signature issue fell off voters' radar.
00:03:19.000And this is a quote from the article Immigration, the issue that helped propel Donald Trump to the presidency and rally his supporters over the past decade, has become an afterthought for voters.
00:03:32.000It says, They ask Avery James of Echelon Insights, a Republican polling firm.
00:03:38.000They say, On net, Republicans are winning out as the more trusted party on two topics.
00:03:43.000The border and immigration and crime and safety.
00:03:46.000But the problem is, if you're a campaign strategist, crime and immigration are just not the top issues for voters.
00:03:54.000So, Republicans did well, but when you ask voters what matters to you most, they're not saying the border, they're not saying immigration, they're not saying crime, even if they still favor us with that.
00:04:05.000Similarly, we have this headline from the New York Times It's not an issue.
00:04:10.000Crime as a GOP line of attack loses traction.
00:04:14.000And they again go into some detail The chaos at the border, a reliable political target since 2018, has calmed.
00:04:22.000State laws barring transgender students in athletics.
00:04:25.000Have taken some of the sting out of that issue as well.
00:04:29.000Voters say they are most concerned about the high costs of everyday necessities.
00:04:33.000And crime, usually a winning issue for Republicans, who are generally more trusted to keep law and order, is seeing a staggering drop.
00:04:42.000The downward trend that began during the Biden administration has only accelerated.
00:04:48.000One analysis found that the murder rate last year was the lowest it has been since 1900.
00:04:58.000During this administration, we have had a literal once in a century win.
00:05:04.000The murder rate, the rate at which someone is likely to violently kill you, is the lowest it has been since 1900 when I believe William McKinley was still president.
00:05:18.000And that's something that's happened under Donald Trump.
00:05:19.000And it's happening just six years after Floyd-a-Palooza when we had the highest murder rates in this country that we'd seen in about several decades.
00:05:30.000And it was the biggest increase in murder ever recorded.
00:05:42.000We were talking yesterday that the number of people crossing the border is basically at zero.
00:05:48.000The number of new immigrants arriving in the country, way down.
00:05:52.000The number of Muslim immigrants to America, immigrants from Muslim majority countries, down, I think, 80 or 90%, whatever that chart was.1.00
00:06:01.000All of these wins are happening, and our reward is.0.88
00:06:05.000We're getting voters to just stop thinking about it.
00:06:07.000We are living through something that actually is unprecedented in American history.
00:06:11.000A political party is losing favor in part because it has won too much.
00:06:44.000Some people, a lot of people, really hated them.
00:06:47.000But it certainly did not resolve the issue.
00:06:49.000It did not make people stop thinking about health care as an issue.
00:06:53.000And annoyingly, that's the case for so many things when Democrats campaign on issues.
00:06:59.000Paradoxically, Democrats have the advantage that since their ideology does not work, It doesn't solve problems and make them recede from voters' minds so that they can't campaign it on anymore.0.83
00:07:11.000So, think about Democrats when they say the problem with America is too many stale, pale white males in positions.0.70
00:07:19.000They're the ones screwing up the country.0.99
00:07:21.000We need to get them out, get fresh blood, do more DEI.0.55
00:07:25.000And as we've seen over and over, that doesn't actually work great when you hire people who are less qualified for things.
00:07:31.000You get more problems, you get more inefficiency.
00:07:36.000But the Democrats have a ready answer to that.
00:07:38.000The problem is the vestigial power of white males in every institution.
00:07:42.000The problem is we just haven't gone far enough that systemic racism, systemic sexism, the patriarchy, it's all more deeply rooted than we thought.
00:07:56.000When they create problems with immigration, when they mess up our labor market, when they drive down wages with it, they always have the ready response more immigration to fix this.
00:08:06.000The problem is we haven't done enough amnesty.0.53
00:08:07.000The problem is we haven't gone far enough on this.
00:08:13.000And this works for a lot of people, especially the fact that as a side effect of their policy, they bring in new voters.
00:08:19.000And as we see in cities like New York or in states like California, they can create Massive economic problems with socialism, with price controls, with overregulation.
00:08:29.000And they have the ready excuse of, well, greedy capitalists are messing everything up.
00:08:33.000We need even more of this to solve the problem.
00:08:35.000That is the line the Biden administration took when they launched huge amounts of inflation in 21 and 22.
00:08:42.000They literally said, companies invented being greedy.
00:08:45.000They have decided to be more greedy than in the past.
00:08:57.000We face a curse right now as conservatives that this administration, more than any we've ever seen, has actually delivered so hard on issues that they have receded from the public consciousness.
00:09:09.000That they have cut immigration so much and secured the border so much that voters aren't thinking about it anymore.
00:09:16.000There's not that many, there's not border caravans arriving every day.0.70
00:09:19.000There's not a meltdown at the border because 10,000 Haitians have set up an encampment, so it's not in voters' minds.0.89
00:09:27.000We're getting the same thing on crime.0.50
00:09:48.000We're going to make it so you can sue hospitals.1.00
00:09:50.000We're shutting down gender clinics.0.96
00:09:52.000We're keeping schools from propagandizing you with all of this.
00:09:57.000Turned the tide on that issue so decisively that it was a big issue in 2024, one of the most successful issues for Republicans, and it's now just not in voters' minds.
00:10:08.000This is an existential crisis for our movement if us succeeding on our political goals makes it so that we are less successful politically.
00:10:25.000We're talking about this phenomenon in.
00:10:30.000That we have the first administration that has, let's put it this way, as President Trump used to say, you'll get tired of winning.
00:10:37.000And it seems that rather than getting tired of winning, a lot of people have gotten bored of winning.
00:10:43.000They've gotten distracted by winning, they have stopped thinking about winning.
00:10:48.000It is the fact that for the first time ever, you can win on an issue so decisively that it actually entirely recedes from the voters' consciousness.
00:10:59.000And this is a big problem for the right that we need to be thinking about.
00:11:03.000And this is not even a theoretical concern.
00:11:05.000As we know, the midterms are coming up.
00:11:08.000And whatever your issues on the Iran war, whatever your issues on affordability, there should be a very strong case to be made that this administration is good at solving problems.
00:11:18.000That they ran in 2024 and said, we will fix the border that's in this huge crisis, and they fixed it overnight.1.00
00:11:24.000That we can fix the flood of immigrants into this country.1.00
00:11:27.000That we can fix the trans issue and not have you.1.00
00:11:31.000Not have these gender goblins running around trying to groom your kids.1.00
00:11:35.000This is an administration that can solve problems, and that's a reason to trust us in other things.1.00
00:11:40.000But the problem is, people just aren't thinking about those issues where they won.
00:11:44.000And the long term outcome of this can be bad.
00:11:47.000As an example, in Sweden, they just had an election.
00:11:51.000And Sweden, we know, is a very left wing country generally, but they had a conservative government by their standards for the last few years.
00:11:58.000And that government had a similar problem that they ran on crime being out of control, mostly due to heavy immigration.
00:12:05.000They ran on the immigration itself being out of control, and they took action and they basically fixed these issues.
00:12:10.000They made it so there's net out migration from Sweden for the first time in ages.
00:12:14.000They stopped letting in new people, they encouraged a lot of Refugees and asylum seekers to actually go home rather than just permanently live in Sweden.
00:12:23.000And due to that and some other efforts, they also drove crime down.0.97
00:12:26.000And the reward for Sweden's conservative party in government was they lost the next election.
00:12:32.000And that's partly due to the demographic change of immigration, because heavily immigrant areas of Sweden were voting overwhelmingly left.
00:12:38.000But the other part of it was what we're seeing here that once they solved an issue, it wasn't in voters' minds anymore.
00:12:46.000So we need to ask ourselves this is an existential question.
00:12:51.000How do we keep it so our wins are in the public's minds?
00:12:54.000Or rather, maybe the inverse, you could say, how do we make sure voters are thinking about the fact that things will get really bad again the moment Democrats have the authority to do it?
00:13:05.000That you might think crime is not an issue now.
00:13:07.000It will be again if radical leftists who still believe in letting criminals roam free are back in charge.0.94
00:13:15.000That the border will be wide open again, it will be endless caravans from the third world again.
00:13:20.000If they re obtain power, how can we get that in voters' minds?1.00
00:13:24.000And I was thinking about this in the context of that conversation we had yesterday with Rich Barris.
00:13:30.000Rich, as you know, is polling about the midterms, and he's been, we have him on because he gives us some real talk.
00:13:35.000He says it's tough, voters are dissatisfied with a lot of things.
00:13:39.000And one of the things he highlighted is that voters have this sense that Washington doesn't care, that they're checked out.
00:13:47.000And I think this goes back to the frustration all of us have had on this show with the United States Congress.
00:13:53.000We have a Republican Congress right now.
00:13:56.000Is that Republican Congress reflecting what we feel we should get from a Republican Congress when it's elected?
00:14:02.000I think all of us would agree no, they haven't passed the Save Act.
00:14:07.000They haven't passed legislation to bolster what the Trump administration is doing on immigration.
00:14:13.000In general, they just haven't passed a lot of stuff.
00:14:18.000And some of that is because there's cowards, there's people in Congress who've never liked the Trump agenda and they don't want to participate in it.
00:14:27.000And I think on the right, it's time for us to start thinking in somewhat revolutionary terms about how we should approach Congress to get more political wins.
00:14:37.000And it's an idea I want to build out over the weeks and potentially months to come.
00:14:42.000Because let's think about what's going on in Congress all the time.
00:14:45.000We heard about these Jack Smith hearings, for example.
00:14:48.000There's a lot of hearings in Congress, there's a lot of speeches that people deliver on C SPAN to an empty chamber.
00:14:53.000No one's ever there when they're speaking on C SPAN, it's just done for the cameras so they can have clips to show off to people and post on X. There's a lot of confirmation battles.
00:15:02.000They love to have confirmation hearings.
00:15:03.000They love to take forever to hold them.
00:15:05.000We have tons of positions that are unconfirmed for ambassadorships and lower level positions that there's a nominee and they just haven't voted on them for months on end.
00:15:14.000But there's not a lot of votes in Congress on core issues that Americans would understand.
00:15:21.000So let's consider immigration, for example.
00:15:24.000Despite all the progress the Trump administration, the executive branch, has made, there are still a lot of obstacles that exist on immigration.
00:15:31.000The Supreme Court didn't rule the way we wanted on birthright citizenship, and that stinks.
00:15:34.000And it's causing a lot of voters to be demoralized and say, We were betrayed, they abandoned us, they totally let us down.
00:15:43.000The Trump administration tried something no other administration, Republican or Democrat, had ever been willing to attempt, trying to reinterpret the 14th Amendment so that it means what the text says.
00:15:54.000And they're also trying to find administrative ways to dial back birth tourism, to check birthright citizenship, make sure that foreigners aren't taking advantage of it as much as they have.
00:16:06.000But who's not really taking action is Congress.
00:16:08.000And some congressmen have proposed ideas.
00:16:09.000We've heard great things from Brandon Gill, other members of Congress, what they would do.
00:16:14.000But we're not getting a lot of up or down votes on this.
00:16:18.000And that's what we actually need to be seeing.
00:16:19.000We should be seeing Congress come out and be endlessly proposing single issue bills that they force Democrats to vote on.
00:16:27.000Even if you can't get all the votes on it, we should be having these votes where Republicans are voting, for example, to say if you're a Chinese billionaire, you can't hire a surrogate to drop one or two or ten or a hundred in some cases anchor babies in this country who are all US citizens.0.59
00:16:45.000vote to make it a crime when these people sail boats near the United States so they're in our territorial waters while pregnant, they have a kid, that person is apparently a U.S. citizen for life.0.52
00:16:56.000We should have them be voting up or down on an amendment to dial back birthright citizenship, to restrict it, to repeal it.0.98
00:17:03.000Make them be passing and voting on things all of the time.
00:17:07.000And I think this is a way you can keep this issue front and center in voters' minds.
00:17:12.000They should be seeing a party that is voting aggressively to fix specific issues.
00:17:18.000Don't pass these big sweeping things that are hard to explain.
00:17:21.000Don't bury it as an amendment in some spending bill that no one understands.
00:17:26.000I mean, single issue, up or down votes all the time.
00:17:30.000And that will highlight a party that is trying to solve problems that are real, where they have a big advantage over the Democrats in the public sentiment, and a party that just wants problems.
00:17:41.000Another issue that's possible gas prices.
00:17:43.000Yeah, gas prices are up due to Iran, they're up due to the war in Ukraine.
00:17:47.000But they're also up because we haven't built a refinery in the past half century.
00:17:51.000And that's due to environmental rules, bureaucratic obstacles.
00:18:02.000You could repeal the gas tax or sunset it.
00:18:04.000You could also be doing, hey, here's our big initiative build new refineries, make more diesel.
00:18:09.000This will make things more affordable for Americans.
00:18:12.000If they were coming out and voting on this every day and making Democrats vote against it, then you're sending this message.
00:18:18.000Extremism party versus help Americans party.
00:18:22.000I'm not sure if this will work, but I think it's something that's worth trying because we have to overcome this problem of how do we make voters care about the issues that we have solved?0.83
00:18:33.000How do we send the message that we are the problem solving party?
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00:20:24.000So, a lot has been going on in the world of artificial intelligence, and an interesting thing about it is it's become an issue that's crossing the usual partisan lines.
00:20:34.000So, for example, Politico had a poll recently that asked, Do you think AI is going to destroy humanity?
00:20:41.000And basically, it was identical numbers between Donald Trump voters and Kamala Harris voters from 2024.
00:20:48.000They asked, Do you think that we should slow down the development of AI?
00:20:52.000And it's actually very similar numbers between Republican Trump voters and Harris voters.
00:24:10.000And with the use of natural resources like water and electricity, so there are some real legitimate concerns.
00:24:16.000I think what the president has done is a great job bringing industry leaders together and saying, hey, maybe we should consider a rebrand.
00:24:23.000Maybe we should look at a new name or a new approach to this.
00:24:26.000Where the president is also correct, and most industry leaders are correct, is there is absolutely a national security imperative here with AI.
00:24:59.000If China were to, let's say we reverse the situation where China was now the dominant player in AI, our models are not as good, not as efficient.
00:25:20.000So, again, going back to the national security imperative, China is our near peer, you know, bipolar hegemon country in the world.
00:25:30.000And I think when you look at how China operates, right, it's a communist state, it's a dictatorship with a horrible record on human rights and all those types of things.
00:25:38.000And so, if you want that, kind of group to be leading AI with all of the vast capabilities, then there's an issue there.
00:25:46.000Or you could have a constitutional republic like the United States with all of our freedoms and our liberty and our, you know, we've got the smartest people in the world right here in the United States that also believe still in liberty.
00:25:57.000We still have a constitution that governs the way that we operate.
00:26:00.000And so if you want those people to be the dominant forces sort of leading and developing AI, then that's, I mean, that's what I want.
00:26:08.000I think that's what most of the free world in the Western world absolutely wants, not a communist state who sort of has this heavy hand, top-down approach to how they would use AI.
00:26:18.000They are our near peer militarily when it comes to that.
00:26:22.000And so when you look at the global competition, when you look at what could come out of a conflict potentially between the United States and China, you definitely want the, at least I want, and I think majority of Americans would want the country like ours who believes in liberty and ingenuity at the enterprise level and free markets.
00:26:41.000We want those, we want a society like that to be the ones that are advancing AI.
00:26:45.000Well, I think the free market issue has become a source, unfortunately, of some of the concern, reticence people have had.
00:27:05.000When you have robots and you have super intelligence, it means that everyone in the world can have better medical care than anyone here, including me.
00:27:24.000So that's already a welcome improvement from what I think we heard before.0.91
00:27:29.000Tim, do you think there's a real case where basically because they needed to hype their models, because they wanted to get attention, maybe raise an IPO price, a lot of these companies came out and they started saying stuff 50% of white collar jobs will be destroyed in five years.
00:27:46.000All of these other jobs will be destroyed.
00:27:48.000And people are hearing that and they're not thinking we're getting way richer, we're getting way more prosperous.
00:27:54.000They're just hearing this is going to completely.
00:28:06.000And I think that the latter part of your question is the most important part it is going to create a lot more opportunity and prosperity for industries across the economy.
00:28:18.000It's not going to take away jobs, it's actually going to make people's ability to do their jobs much more effective and much more efficiently.
00:28:25.000Elon talking about the advances in medicine that we can make, we're already seeing.
00:28:29.000Breakthroughs in cancer and research and certain types of diseases that are breaking through.
00:28:33.000He also makes a very good point about every time our country has sort of embraced a new technology, we've not lost jobs, but we've sort of evolved.
00:28:41.000The American people are extremely resilient and they're extremely, we're proud of our workforce.
00:28:47.000We're proud of going to work and doing a hard day's labor.
00:28:50.000And that the American people are going to move right along with AI and its ability to increase their ability to be effective and efficient and to produce at their jobs.
00:28:59.000I don't think you're going to see very many jobs lost.
00:29:02.000Quote unquote, I think that people, Americans are going to be extremely resilient and they're going to keep up with the technology and they're going to be positioned to be more effective and produce more efficiently within their job markets.
00:29:21.000But a very funny thing Gavin Newsom, the governor of California, he has issued an executive order saying that in his state, it shall only ever be called artificial intelligence, never super intelligence.0.94
00:29:34.000Kind of a stupid clash, I think, between the U.S. government and between Gavin.
00:29:39.000But are we going to see the left in America become anti AI kind of just as a way of signaling against Trump?0.99
00:30:20.000It is fascinating because it does feel like President Trump is clearly just doing this because he thinks it matters for America, because the polls say his position right now is not the popular one.
00:31:11.000It's such a vast and sort of always ever changing, ever evolving system or piece of technology that I don't think it'll ever have an end that you sort of want, which is a good thing, right?
00:31:23.000That means that the investment and folks continuing to work on artificial intelligence or super intelligence will stay at it.
00:31:29.000But look, I want to validate the concerns.
00:31:32.000I understand why people sort of have these concerns about AI.
00:31:39.000You know, it came out of nowhere and then it took off, and we're still trying to get our heads wrapped around it from a societal standpoint.
00:31:46.000So I get the concerns, but yeah, I think it's going to continue to be something that we'll have to work at for years and years to come.
00:32:15.000I'm not sure if it's final legislation yet, but they're working on it at least, to require that any AI driven cab, a driverless cab, would have to have some human seated in it.
00:32:27.000As a driver sitting there doing nothing but occupying it.
00:32:31.000And I think that's an interesting illustration of this temptation we're going to see, which is to generate make work jobs to offset AI, try to basically make it illegal to get rid of certain jobs.
00:32:44.000Is that the sort of thing that you would say is a threat we should worry about?
00:32:48.000That we're going to hobble AI out of concern to preserve jobs that it might make more sense to retire those?0.99
00:32:55.000I mean, I think with cabs, we've had endless immigration from the third world to drive Ubers.0.99
00:33:00.000And we could just stop doing that instead.1.00
00:33:03.000We're seeing we have to protect all of these jobs that Americans didn't want to do in the first place.
00:33:09.000Yeah, Blake, again, I'll just reiterate nothing about AI should be partisan, but we definitely want to get government out of the way of industry.
00:33:17.000We have a saying in our organization that Washington doesn't know AI, AI doesn't know Washington.
00:33:22.000We've seen in the past, just like we're seeing now, that when government gets too involved, when the heavy hand of government comes down and tries to overregulate, that it makes it just burdensome on industry.
00:33:32.000We need to get government out of the way.
00:33:35.000Of these industry leaders and let their ingenuity and their innovation flow because that's going to keep us dominant in this global competition.
00:33:43.000So, I don't think you're going to again, I don't think you're going to see people lose their jobs.
00:33:46.000I think what you're going to see is the cab driver get much more efficient at his job.
00:33:50.000It's going to produce better and faster routes for him or her to get people from point A to point B and to get paid for it, right?
00:33:56.000I think that we believe in free market, we believe in capitalism and people making money off of their labor.
00:34:03.000And AI is just going to make that ability that much stronger.
00:34:08.000We don't want to see humans removed from decision making, especially critical things like driving.
00:34:14.000So, Tim, you mentioned we don't want regulation throttling the industry, but probably the most interesting development of the past month or so is you've had AI leaders like Dario Amade, he's the CEO of Anthropic, probably one of the five most important people in the world right now.
00:34:28.000For all of you who don't follow this, it's worth being aware of it.
00:34:31.000And he came out and he said in an essay that actually did read like he probably wrote it with AI assistance that we should, they called it pace the frontier, that we should deliberately.
00:34:41.000Slow down AI development, create more moats, create more regulations and inspections.
00:34:47.000So it sounds like some industry leaders are saying there should be some regulation.
00:34:51.000Is that coming from real concern over what AI might do if it just grows unchecked?
00:34:58.000Or do you think it's, as some people have suggested, they're trying to throw up moats so that now they can kind of, if you're anthropic, if you're open AI, you are sort of established as the industry leader and no one can do what you did?
00:35:14.000Yeah, look, I can't speak for him specifically, but I will tell you that we have thousands of members that are a part of our trade association.
00:35:20.000And the general consensus is not that we don't want any regulation.
00:35:24.000We just don't want over-regulation, right?
00:35:26.000We know that the government's going to get involved to ensure safety, to ensure fair practice or fair play and those types of things.
00:35:33.000But we just don't want the government to get in the way and hinder these innovators from innovating and creating good, high-paying jobs for the American people.
00:35:41.000And so we're not calling for no regulation.
00:35:43.000We're just saying, We don't want to overregulate it and overburden these innovators and get in their way so much so that they can't produce, they can't innovate and create, which we know creates jobs and keeps us, as I keep reiterating, dominant in this global competition for AI.
00:36:01.000Let's see, do we have any more from people?
00:36:03.000We have Abby says, I think renaming it is fine because it's not 100% artificial.
00:36:08.000It is programmed by humans, it learns from humans and from the internet.
00:36:15.000But speaking of super, I think one reason.
00:36:17.000President Trump is going for that label is this sense that it's not merely a replica or replacement for human beings, that it has potential to exceed us.
00:36:30.000Some people like to come out and say AI is going to cure cancer.
00:36:34.000It's going to create, they talk about a singularity where the AI keeps making itself smarter because it's smarter than us and can develop itself faster and will reach some sort of post scarcity utopia.
00:37:09.000And it does sort of take all that data and respond to it, but it works off of human element.
00:37:15.000And again, the people that are developing, the American companies that are developing AI.
00:37:20.000Are some of the smartest engineers, some of the smartest operators and developers in the world on planet Earth, right here in the United States, developing?
00:37:28.000And they are putting safety mechanisms and stop gaps in place to ensure that we don't get to this sort of robots taking over type thing.
00:37:35.000So, no, I would say leave that stuff to the screens.
00:37:38.000What AI is going to do, what it's doing now, what it's going to do in the future is it's going to aid humans in being more productive and being more productive efficiently.
00:38:33.000That was an unwavering commitment to his faith, his love for his family, and his genuine desire to encourage others to live with courage and conviction.
00:38:42.000Charlie believed that following Christ wasn't something you compartmentalize.
00:38:46.000He didn't put it in a box, he lived it out loud.
00:38:49.000It shaped how he lived, how he served, how he treated people every single day.
00:38:53.000Charlie Kirk, American Martyr, captures that heart.
00:38:57.000Just simply about remembering Charlie.
00:38:59.000It's an invitation for each of us to ask what kind of legacy we're building and whether we're willing to stand firm in our own faith when it's tested.
00:39:08.000I hope that you'll watch it with your family and have those conversations together.
00:39:43.000Because I missed out on the Nicole Hannah Jones story.0.96
00:39:47.000She wrote an incredibly viral article about sending her daughter to a failing school in New York City, how her daughter kind of called her out and said, You sabotaged my education for political reasons.0.99
00:40:02.000And Andrew got to talk about it with Helen Andrews, and I wasn't able to participate.
00:40:06.000So I am incredibly grateful to Evan Barker, who's been on our show a couple times, because she wrote an article of her own for The Times in Britain.
00:40:16.000I was a white girl at a majority black school.
00:40:19.000Here is what the education debate gets wrong.
00:40:22.000And it's very much a response and a follow up to Nicole Hannah Jones' article.
00:40:50.000In America, have the experience of going to a majority black school.
00:40:55.000And even just saying that, you know, the title alone can be a very taboo thing for some reason to a lot of people.
00:41:03.000But I think it's important to discuss and to talk about.
00:41:06.000You know, I started the article by juxtaposing the decision that Nicole Hannah Jones made to send her daughter to an inner city lower performing school, and then the decision that my mother was forced to make.
00:41:23.000I think the prime difference is being that she decided to do this essentially, what I wrote in my piece was to virtue signal to her elite friends that she was a good person and that she was doing the work by integrating her daughter from a more wealthy and privileged background into a school with kids that were living in poverty.
00:41:48.000And my mother lost her job in the early 2000s and we fell behind on rent and we were evicted from our.
00:41:56.000Apartment, and we had to move in with my great grandmother, and we shared a bedroom for two years.
00:42:01.000I was no longer allowed to have friends over during this time, you know, because my mom was embarrassed of our living situation.
00:42:07.000She enrolled me in the local schools due to not having any other options.
00:42:14.000She, you know, I went to a majority black school, and I, you know, it was a one out of 10 rated school in Kansas City, Missouri.
00:42:24.000I experienced what that was like, and I experienced.
00:42:29.000Just the sort of chaos and disruptions that happen on a day to day basis.
00:42:34.000You know, Blake, and I actually think it's kind of, people don't realize 90% of those kids actually do want to learn, but there's about 10% of them that are just constantly causing chaos and they are never reprimanded.
00:42:48.000So let's build that out because a lot of people, they make that mistake, they think it's the 60s or the 50s, and they'll say, the problem is these schools are underfunded.
00:42:57.000It's been pointed out, they usually are overfunded, they have a lot of money going to them.
00:43:50.000So every student got a Palm Pilot assigned to them.
00:43:54.000You know, the school itself, if you just drove by it, it would not look like a bad school to you.
00:44:01.000Like it is, you know, newer facilities.
00:44:04.000I actually looked into the specific school that I went to, and they spend on average $5,000 or more per pupil than all other, you know, Missouri schools combined.
00:44:16.000And it's in the lowest, like, 5% of schools in Missouri.
00:44:20.000The average teacher there has 10 and a half years of experience.
00:44:25.000That was another thing that Nicole Hannah Jones put in her article is that these teachers don't have experience.
00:44:53.000So for me, every day almost was like a fight for survival.
00:44:57.000There were days where I really did not want to go to school and my mom would keep me home.
00:45:01.000But, you know, we would be in class, like learning and a child would just start a fight with another child or spitballs or, you know, say something.
00:45:14.000Honestly, like it felt like at times like my teachers were being abused.
00:45:18.000You know, I actually had a lot of empathy for the teachers in these situations because the students would stand up. during class and just start yelling at them and cussing them out.
00:45:28.000And I remember one time I saw a student get physical.
00:45:32.000He tried to like push, you know, his hand up against the neck of my math teacher.
00:45:38.000And, you know, they did call the, you know, it's called an SRO officer.
00:45:43.000But, you know, it's like I would hardly ever see these kids like they might be removed temporarily from class, but usually not unless it got really extreme and, you know, unless it did turn physical.
00:45:57.000But they could just sort of have these emotional outbursts in class.
00:46:03.000And the teacher would just have to deal with it on their own.
00:46:06.000And I think that what people miss is that the teachers are outnumbered oftentimes.
00:46:13.000There was a situation for me towards the end of my seventh grade year where there were like two or three kids that had collectively kind of decided to target me.
00:46:25.000I was kind of a scrawny, nerdy kid, to be honest with you, back in seventh grade.
00:46:31.000And they wanted to pick on me, and I had an asthma inhaler, you know, but they wanted to pick on me.
00:46:36.000And so they, you know, started harassing me every day, threatening to jump me.
00:46:41.000And I remember I was scared I'd be sort of like dodging people during the passing periods.
00:46:48.000I saw a friend of mine actually get like beat up so badly by his locker that he was laying on the ground, like passed out, and there was a pool of blood forming around his head.
00:47:02.000And so, you know, you would sort of see these things happen.
00:47:05.000And there was at least a daily fight that would break out in the hallways, alarms blaring.
00:47:11.000Towards the end, this was happening where I was getting threatened to be jumped.
00:47:16.000And my mom had almost daily meetings with this school's principal.
00:48:05.000And this is a tough thing to talk about, right?
00:48:07.000You're not really supposed to talk about stuff like this, but it's the truth.
00:48:12.000I did get comments on a regular basis from other kids about the color of my skin and being too pale or too skinny.
00:48:20.000Like, literally, that was something, you know, I was a scrawny kid.
00:48:24.000And yeah, I mean, that was a very real part of it.
00:48:29.000And, you know, but what should really outrage people, I think, the most about this story is that, you know, the educational system, you know, due to the permissiveness in these schools, due to wanting to be equitable.
00:48:44.000You know, we are basically sacrificing 80 to 90 percent of the kids who really do want to get an education for the 20 or 10 percent that don't, and I think that that is what is saddest of all about this whole situation.
00:49:00.000Um, you know, I ended up leaving that school at the end of seventh grade and I went to a school in the suburbs.
00:49:08.000Um, you know, my mom actually like remarried, and I think a part of her calculus truly for doing that, she admitted to.
00:50:23.000To read this article from Hannah Jones, where her own group has advocated for less punitive measures for classroom disruptions, and for her to not come to this conclusion herself, but instead to blame the teachers and paint them as lazy or bored or disinterested.
00:50:41.000And that is just absolutely the wrong takeaway.
00:51:02.000I think it's such a good comparison, a miniature form of what we say so often on crime.
00:51:09.000That when people want to go very easy on criminals, when they want to let a bunch of people out of jail, when they want to dial back sentences and they send crime up, the biggest victims are everyone else who lives in high crime neighborhoods.
00:51:21.000Because most people, even in the most dangerous neighborhoods, are not criminals.
00:51:26.000But what they are very often is victims.
00:51:30.000As you mentioned in your article, 29 states and DC have laws that.
00:51:36.000Deliberately restrict formal suspensions and expulsions.
00:51:40.000In California, our biggest state, it is illegal for a school to expel a pupil for just willful defiance.
00:51:48.000That's really what you were describing when kids are aggressively disrupting class and refusing to learn and making it impossible for everyone else and disruptive behavior.
00:51:59.000And it's sort of this total capitulation.
00:52:02.000Eventually, you get these fake schools.
00:52:04.000They are at best a form of really bad daycare, they're going to pass everyone regardless of what they can do.
00:52:10.000They're going to just, it's like a holding pen.
00:52:12.000And it's indefensible because it's basically, as you say, sacrificing 80 or 90% of kids for the worst and most disruptive 10%, who themselves would be better served by facing accountability for once in their lives.
00:52:29.000I want to ask you wrote your book, Nothing Left.
00:52:48.000I actually did not the specific stuff about the lack of funding, or sorry, the not being lack of funding, but I would sometimes bring these stories up in reference to them saying that it was impossible for white people to experience racism.
00:53:08.000Because I knew from my experience at a young age and being a minority in that school that that's not true.
00:53:14.000and that I did experience racism in that school and that I was bullied because of my race.
00:53:20.000And so I would tell them that I had the experience of going to a school where I was in the minority as a white person and that, you know, other black kids, yeah, they bullied me because of my race.
00:53:31.000And of course, it would always make them very uncomfortable.0.95
00:54:40.000And I'm not saying that you can't create some sort of system where these kids can prove that they can get reintegrated back into normal school, right?
00:54:50.000There can be some sort of second chance program, right?
00:54:53.000I don't think that just because you make a mistake when you're 11 or 12, that that means you can't ever prove that you're able to be mature enough to go back into a regular school.
00:55:04.000But I think that it has to shift from being like, we're not going to grade, we're not going to ever discipline to, okay, we're actually going to.
00:55:15.000Present consequences to kids and then give them the opportunity to prove that you can change.
00:56:06.000You start with something you know, and suddenly you're finding a whole new side of it that surprises you and leaves you wanting to know more.
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00:56:49.000I don't want to get too into the details because it is very graphic, but to summarize it, a girl at Cornell went to a frat party.
00:56:58.000She is claiming that she was sexually assaulted by seven different men, but it's causing a massive debate, and how people feel about this is reflecting a lot of other political priorities.
00:57:12.000And so I thought that big picture take, at least, was very interesting.
00:57:59.000She eventually went to the police afterwards, but it's all become very sordid.
00:58:04.000It's become an interesting display, frankly, of how our sexual morality today I think leads people to disaster.
00:58:12.000That people are told the only thing that matters is whether you consent to things, the only thing that matters is did you in the moment say yes to it, when in reality, as Charlie would point out so often, This is a very important thing.
00:58:25.000This is something that deeply affects your psychology.
00:58:28.000It affects you spiritually, we believe.
00:59:30.000What are they kind of trying to revive for those who don't remember what it was like a decade ago?
00:59:35.000Well, what they're trying to revive is the campus rapist area of the mid 2010s, which if you guys, if some of you guys might remember this, But in the mid 2010s, there was this huge concern, especially within the media, of a campus rape epidemic.
00:59:49.000They claimed that one in five young women are getting raped on college campuses.
00:59:53.000And this is a hugely important issue to the left and the media.
00:59:57.000There was a Hunting Ground documentary that was very popular.
01:00:00.000You had the Rape on Campus hoax, which turned out to be a huge disaster for Rolling Stone.
01:00:07.000But that gained international attention.
01:00:10.000And for those who don't remember, but a Rape on Campus was a famous hoax.
01:00:14.000Where in University of Virginia, a young woman claimed that she was gang raped as part of a fraternity initiation ritual.
01:00:21.000It turned out to be completely made up that the woman had never been at the fraternity house, but all these fraternities were suspended at UVA and the fraternity in question was harassed and had news cameras outside it all the time in relation to this hoax.
01:00:37.000So really what we're seeing is after 10 years of this, and it was spurred on by an Obama administration directive in early 2010s.
01:00:48.000Where they changed the ruling on Title IX, saying that now schools, in an effort to combat sexual harassment, had to have a higher standard for consent for what's considered consent.
01:00:59.000And now that gave university administrators greater power to prosecute and persecute young men who were accused of dubious sexual assault allegations simply because they said, well, we feel you didn't have affirmative consent.
01:01:15.000And it also put more onus on these universities to tackle.
01:01:20.000Sexual harassment and alleged sexual assault, which led to a wave of young men being falsely accused of rape, such as we saw in the Rape on Campus story, as well as Mattress Girl at Columbia and several other cases of this, as I documented in my first book, No Campus for White Men.
01:01:37.000So this became a big ordeal, and it seems that this attempt around Cornell, the intense attention around it, is an attempt to revive that media hysteria of the mid 2010s.
01:01:50.000And it's happening at a weird moment because For most attention on college campuses, it's about how kids aren't going out, aren't going on dates, aren't sleeping around, aren't drinking.
01:02:01.000And now we're trying to revive a campus rape epidemic story in the middle of a previous media cycle complaining about how college kids don't go out anymore, don't talk to the other gender and don't go on dates.0.56
01:02:14.000So I'm not sure how that's going to work, but they're trying to do this anyway.
01:02:17.000And in the middle of all this, we have this growing man hate.
01:02:22.000That is booming on social media, particularly female operated social media.
01:02:28.000We already witnessed this with the Lindsey Clancy case and numerous other stories where all the men are seen as the worst villains imaginable, the worst possible people, and there's a need to demonize them more.
01:02:40.000And so this story fits nicely in with that social media hysteria of our time.
01:02:46.000Yeah, that's what's interesting to me.
01:02:49.000You remember, I was with you at the Daily Caller, and I would cover the early days of this.
01:02:56.000It's so funny because it feels like it just.
01:02:58.000Was this huge moment and then totally fell off the face of the planet?
01:03:02.000As you said, there was that Hunting Ground documentary.
01:03:04.000I think I actually wrote a review of that for the caller back in the day.
01:03:32.000The way consent works for human relationships, where to kiss somebody, to touch somebody, to have sex with somebody, you had to at every step of the way say, like, may I do this?
01:03:43.000And, you know, maybe fill out, notarize a form to make sure it was recorded.
01:03:46.000And otherwise, this could be used to charge you with a crime, with battery, with rape, with sexual assault.
01:03:53.000And it was because of this one in five concept or one in four.
01:03:57.000I think I once saw one in three, they would throw this number out.
01:04:00.000And it does just, it does feel like an attempt to just.
01:04:04.000Revive all of this again and to link it to the present.
01:04:08.000As you said, there's this headline Two thirds of young Democrat women say men are to blame for most of society's problems.
01:04:15.000That if you're basically a Democrat woman between ages of 30 and 49, 54% of Democrat women say men are a cause of their problems.
01:04:26.000But for women 18 to 29, 66% are going to say that men are driving their problems.
01:04:35.000And this just seems perfectly primed to To drive that on, like what phenomenon are we seeing here?
01:04:41.000Are we basically seeing an unprecedented rupture in the relationship between the sexes?
01:04:47.000Yeah, I think it is, especially among young people.
01:04:49.000And it's driven, as I was talking about previously, that they're not interacting with one another.
01:04:53.000As most headlines prior to this is complaining about good men's scarcity and how there's not enough men around and how men are mediocre.0.99
01:05:01.000There's this new trend in pop music, which is talking about how men suck.0.92
01:05:05.000I mean, this has been common before in pop music, but it's very common now.0.99
01:05:10.000With Sabrina Carpenter and numerous artists, where all the songs are about how men suck.
01:05:15.000And that's also going along with a lot of the heteropessimism media trend that's also reflected in movies, TV shows, and music.
01:05:25.000So I think that this is going in with there's now a split off in the gender and genders, and they're not interacting with each other anymore as much as they were in the past.
01:05:35.000As I was talking about with all the data, it's showing that young people are going on fewer dates.0.64
01:05:40.000They're not interacting with the other gender.0.51
01:05:42.000Higher degree of them staying single much longer.
01:05:46.000And they talk about all the incel hate and all the rising misogyny and sexism coming from these angry young men on the internet and the red pillars.
01:05:56.000But what's less talked about is the growing level of misogyny among the side of women and how it's normalized and encouraged by the mainstream media.
01:06:08.000As you don't get that number of 66% of young democratic women thinking that all the problems are men without that being normalized within society.
01:06:17.000You even have nearly 20% of Republican women thinking that in that age group.
01:06:22.000And when they asked young men about this, and this is a huge problem where they say young men, you know, they all hate women.
01:06:28.000They only got about a quarter of Republican leading men to say that all their problems are due to women.
01:06:36.000This isn't just a one off where they found other studies asking young women about this.
01:06:41.000And about a third of them said that they have very strong hostility towards men.
01:06:47.000So this is a widespread phenomenon and it's normalized on social media.
01:06:54.000And within mainstream media to an extent that it would never be normalized for all the incel rhetoric and anti woman rhetoric that apparently comes from the red pillars.
01:07:04.000But you have to, if you look at what's considered more of a social problem and a dangerous social trend, it's all entirely on the misogyny coming from these dark corners of the internet.
01:07:16.000But there's pretty much less concern from the anti male hatred coming from your top 40 radio station, your big blockbuster film.
01:07:27.000Your prestige TV show from New York Times, from New Yorker, from all the mainstream publications, there's less attention paid to that, even though that's having a bigger effect on the population.
01:07:40.000Yeah, it does feel like we're in some sort of, for lack of a better term, it's unfortunate to say, but a death spiral where relations between men and women are pretty bad.
01:07:49.000And a lot of it is because of years of attacks on men, demonization of men, and then it's making people angry, which means there's more appetite.
01:07:59.000For stories that demonize men that make them look bad and will make it worse, as you said, the problem is college students, whatever the other flaws of college, one of the merits that even Charlie would bring up is it's a great place where you're around a bunch of other young people.
01:08:13.000You should try to find a spouse while you're in college, find a serious relationship in college, and instead they're super isolated, they're frozen away from people.
01:08:22.000And stories like this are going to drive that home, even if we don't actually want the stuff that's going on in the story because it's very sordid.
01:08:31.000I am interested in how, despite their efforts to bring it back, it does seem like there's a cap on the hysteria.
01:08:36.000It's unfolding in ways we might not expect.
01:08:39.000It is a story that I think, if you read the details, it causes a lot of disgust.
01:08:44.000It's a pretty gross story, in contrast to, I think you'd agree, Scott, UVA or Duke, where they're 100% made up allegations that never happened.
01:09:07.000But what's interesting is, I think it shows how things have changed that already they're encountering far more resistance from places you wouldn't have expected it.
01:09:16.000So, as an example, we have Sonny Hostin on The View.
01:09:26.000And under New York law, voluntary intoxication or drug use that merely impairs judgment does not legally constitute an inability to consent to sexual activity.
01:09:37.000So that means if you voluntarily ingest drugs, you voluntarily take alcohol, you can agree to have threesomes, which in her statement she agreed to have two separate threesomes.
01:09:50.000But I say all that to say the pictures of these young men who have not been charged, not been adjudicated, are being plastered all over the internet.
01:10:01.000I think people are reporting this story inaccurately.
01:10:04.000I think they're reporting it unfairly.
01:10:07.000Now, I prosecuted sex crimes for 10 years.0.99
01:10:19.000That's the nerve center, I feel, of normal center left to far left liberal women thought.0.64
01:10:25.000And that's what Sonny Hostin is saying.
01:10:27.000The New York Times, they've been investigating this and they had an article out today that highlights they dive into the details and they get text messages.
01:10:35.000They basically discover well, the girl in this case, after it happened, she wasn't upset in the sense that I was assaulted, I was raped.
01:10:56.000And they have this line that's actually very remarkable that's like, by November 4th, she had concluded that she was assaulted at the October party.
01:11:05.000This feels different from how it would have unfolded a decade ago, doesn't it, Scott?
01:11:11.000When the Rape on Campus story was published by Rolling Stone in late 2014, nobody was questioning it.
01:11:18.000Everyone accepted it as a horrific indictment on universities and America's fraternity culture.
01:11:25.000There were a few brave souls, such as people like Robbie Suave at Reason, who was at Reason at the time, and a few others who simply just said, this story isn't adding up.
01:11:35.000But when they said that, they were inundated with attacks.
01:11:39.000They were completely seen as the worst possible people to deny the story, to cast any doubt on it.0.99
01:11:48.000Once more people began investigating it, once police began investigating it, they realized this whole story was made up.
01:11:55.000Now, you are witnessing more mainstream investigations where there is more openness to doubt and to skepticism towards the story.
01:12:05.000And as more people investigated, I mean, this was already criminally investigated by the district attorney.
01:12:11.000And they found out while this was a gross act that certainly wouldn't be praised by normal and sensible people, there was no criminal wrongdoing done here, which the victim herself told one of the alleged rapists in a text message.
01:12:26.000That nothing criminal happened, that nothing illegal happened.
01:12:30.000And this does just seem that this girl eventually word got out.
01:12:34.000She had consented to this, she agreed to it, and then she was being called the campus harlot for this act, for this activity.
01:12:43.000She felt horrified by it and embarrassed by it, and she felt the only way to reclaim her sense of honor and dispel the shame is to claim she was raped here.
01:12:54.000But it turns out that that's not a credible reason.
01:12:57.000For sexual assault under the law, that you can't just simply consent to these acts, be fully fine with it, hope the fraternity invites you to a Halloween party, then you get uninvited to it, and then that's the cause for you filing a sexual assault claim.
01:13:15.000And it is a good thing that you are seeing Sonny Hosted and other people say, like, hey, this is clearly not a crime here, which is very different from how a lot of these allegations were made.
01:13:29.000And even if you look at the Duke LaCrosse case, which was completely made up, that was treated as sacrosanct as scripture when that was first unveiled to the public in 2006.
01:13:41.000So a lot of things have changed in a positive direction.
01:13:45.000I want to take it to a slightly bigger picture thing.
01:13:47.000In 2024, President Trump made remarkable gains with young men as voters.
01:13:53.000They voted more Republican than they had in basically a generation or more.
01:13:58.000It seems pretty clear from polling that a lot of that enthusiasm has ebbed away over Epstein stuff, over Iran, over a variety of things.
01:14:09.000Now we see we're getting reminded that the left still views young men very much.
01:14:15.000A lot of the left, we're seeing some checks on this, but a lot of the left still views them as the enemy in the House right now.
01:14:22.000The House Democrats are fighting to revive those Biden and Obama era Title IX rules that basically create kangaroo courts on campus, make it very easy to falsely accuse people and get them expelled.
01:14:33.000There is a piece in the New York Post of all places saying Cornell 7 highlights the voluntary intoxication.
01:14:41.000Loophole that, as far as I know, exists everywhere.
01:14:44.000That if you voluntarily drink, that doesn't, that, you know, that still allows you to consent to things that you maybe not would have done if you hadn't voluntarily intoxicated yourself.
01:14:57.000Is there an angle here where we can remind young men, especially young white men, guys in frats, that they are this designated enemy group for the left?
01:15:07.000Is there any sort of political angle to this?
01:15:14.000I think that you can easily tell them that unlike Democrats, Democrats want to persecute you simply for being a young man and they view you as the enemy.0.98
01:15:22.000They view you as the worst possible scum in America, that they view you as the biggest danger simply for being yourself.0.81
01:15:30.000And under Democrats, they are going to institute extreme draconian laws on campuses and in society in general that are going to target you at a much higher standard and a much more severe degree than they would under.0.98
01:15:47.000A basic rule of law system that Republicans promise.
01:15:51.000That Republicans aren't simply going to indict you because they want to believe that there's a campus rape epidemic, that they believe that there's toxic masculinity that we need to keep in check, that we think that young men are all the source of today's problems.
01:16:08.000Republicans just simply say that we oppose that, that we want you to have a fair hearing in campus courts and in courts in general, unlike the Democrats that want to persecute you simply for being men.
01:16:20.000And simply because they need to appease their crazy cat lady fan base.