The Comment Section with Drew Afualo - AIDA OSMAN CAN JUSTIFY ANYTHING (Ft. Aida Osman) ｜ Episode 235

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00:01:34.480 That was one of my favorite things about going out was lying.

00:01:37.240 Yes, instant catharsis.

00:01:37.980 Oh my gosh, I was like, and who am I going to be tonight?

00:01:40.260 Exactly.

00:01:40.680 I guess we'll see.

00:01:41.280 Fake names.

00:01:41.960 Yeah, I was like, I guess we'll see.

00:01:43.820 I'm destiny.

00:01:44.360 I went to Juilliard.

00:01:45.220 What are you doing?

00:01:47.240 One time I was faking an Australian accent, which I'm not good at.

00:01:50.520 Me too.

00:01:51.460 You've done that too?

00:01:52.220 We are the same sicko.

00:01:54.620 hey everyone and welcome back to another episode of the comment section show starring me your

00:02:05.080 fave everybody knows me who cares about me on to the guest today we have the iconic the hilarious

00:02:10.740 the legendary ida osman welcome to the show queen hi hello i'm so happy to have you really we were

00:02:21.660 just having a real deep conversation about caleb harren yes we were he's our invisible string yeah

00:02:27.860 as he is with a lot of people on my show which is fucking annoying i guess it just speaks to how

00:02:31.940 hilarious you are and he is he's everywhere we were saying that he's like probably seven different

00:02:38.520 caleb's yeah all over the map he can be anywhere yeah he's kind of like bigfoot where it's like

00:02:43.220 everyone's has their own account of witnessing yes but i can't believe them all yeah it could

00:02:48.660 be legend and folklore and was he really there with them you know what i mean like spiritually

00:02:54.100 was he there maybe but right but that is our invisible string between us but one thing you

00:02:59.960 do have in common is that you're both hilarious thank you i'll take that i did watch a lot of

00:03:04.940 your stand-up clips as well and i find you hilarious just in general but before we get

00:03:09.700 to the show and comedy writing i do want to start with stand-up because i feel like with stand-up

00:03:14.420 your first love would you say yeah in the form of entertainment well actually you know i think

00:03:20.600 if i were a little less uh pussy maybe i would be like a pop star like i have this i have this

00:03:29.180 delusional thing even though i'm pushing 30 that like pushing 30 as if that's old mind no no but

00:03:35.300 it's probably too old to become zara larson you definitely aren't gonna like you think find out

00:03:40.880 your tyla at 30 but in my head i'm like wait no once this comedy thing wraps up like i have

00:03:46.560 albums in me yes no i can you sing well i'm assuming i love to do it that probably means

00:03:53.580 i love a really great singer is always very humble about being able to say yeah okay yeah

00:03:57.520 how did i i'm very upfront about the fact that i can't at all you can't hold a note at all i

00:04:01.880 fucking wish i was also like god hit me with a funny second said get the fuck out of here yeah

00:04:05.500 you're done you're done go that's the thing i wanted to like i i like to be funny it's like

00:04:11.780 there's things that you wish that you could do but yeah i like to make people laugh and i like

00:04:15.200 to talk yeah i always see shit you know what really blew my mind the other day i found my

00:04:19.900 old laptop from middle school okay and i was going through the photo booth yeah and it was

00:04:24.000 me and my friends you know like just like gay theater kids obviously it's the only people i

00:04:28.420 hung out right and um there was i was they were like looking at themselves and having a great

00:04:34.280 time and i was like guys wait isn't it so crazy that when the camera turns on like we're different

00:04:39.400 people and like isn't that so funny like doing just like bad jerry seinfeld comedy like what's

00:04:46.220 the deal with this and it like was annoying and cringy but it also made me realize like i've

00:04:51.140 always been like this yeah exactly guys look this is so wild here guys look at an end i'm stunning

00:04:57.860 on top of that also we don't even need to talk yeah and obviously i'm stunning but i'm hilarious

00:05:03.740 too i i totally relate to that feeling too because i'm sure i'm sure you've been asked before like

00:05:09.300 have you always known that you wanted to be in entertainment or was there another dream that you

00:05:13.260 had i didn't know yeah like i feel like i didn't understand our careers even like yeah no not at

00:05:18.780 all i didn't know what stand-up was for real until i was like 19 or 20 and there was a there was like

00:05:24.540 an open mic night at this bar that i worked at and i had added some extra shifts and they were doing

00:05:30.180 a monday night comedy night yeah and i'm from nebraska so that's the other thing i have that's

00:05:34.700 crazy yeah midwest midwest girls yes i'm slaying my little drinks i'm getting these people drunk

00:05:41.100 and i'm looking up and these white men is doing bad jokes like bad stuff and one girl came on and

00:05:47.160 just talked about her period for a while but it wasn't funny like you can talk about your period

00:05:53.040 i'm like it was just you got to do it in a funny way be funny yeah and uh i i think i'm a really

00:05:58.980 competitive person i realized so i went up and i tried it yeah i was i fell in love just like off

00:06:04.660 the cuff you just went up there immediately i'm sure i bombed i was like like you're so me though

00:06:09.620 i would do the same shit i'd be like well i can do that yeah i want yeah if he can do it i can

00:06:14.140 fucking tear like i just wanted to try it so bad yeah i loved it so that was your first time ever

00:06:20.380 trying stand up when after that what were you trying to do that were you trying to like go to

00:06:24.980 more open mics or did you try like uh well videos or anything i did but it was like shitty because

00:06:31.440 nebraska i was in lincoln so i had to drive an hour to go to the next open mic in omaha oh damn

00:06:37.120 the next one was three hours in des moines so yeah i really like i had to die for my bitch you

00:06:42.740 know like really show her love i had to commit yeah i had to drive super far and i would do it

00:06:49.220 and i'll go with my friends and we would have a really good time and do our jokes it just felt

00:06:53.320 like such a small community like i didn't even know other people were doing comedy and then i

00:06:58.760 tried to start like writing for twitter like really in fact that's i knew britney from twitter i just

00:07:06.060 realized oh that's so funny that's how i knew caleb like my first exposure to him ever was on

00:07:10.340 twitter same thing caleb yeah jabuki yes jabuki's a great one seriously there was this cuddy one

00:07:16.540 that he was kind of his name was jovan and he was this hilarious gay boy from new york i think and

00:07:21.860 he was just unhinged and i was like all you have to do is talk about your life right and i loved it

00:07:26.300 and i i like the idea of like just getting paid to be funny be yourself i agree i and that's funny

00:07:33.400 you say about twitter because twitter was my favorite app like for a long time because i'm

00:07:38.620 30 gonna be 31 this year so twitter was my first social media app i ever had like that wasn't like

00:07:43.460 myspace or facebook um and it was like the funniest thing in the world yeah i just loved

00:07:48.920 that you could just see people like stream of conscious put these hilarious jokes out

00:07:54.040 yeah again i found jabuki that way i still to this day remember when he got banned off

00:07:58.240 um twitter because he said that martin luther king on martin luther king day he said he was

00:08:03.320 killed by the fbi and then when he came back he goes guess who they let out like it's like him

00:08:10.820 resurrecting his account so i still remember that to this day and i also remember caleb

00:08:14.920 even now i'll still see like pretty famous old tweets like in meme videos and they're like the

00:08:21.720 oldest tweets ever but they're just hilarious yeah so i i totally get what you mean about that

00:08:26.480 and that's where you started kind of like workshopping writing jokes yeah trying stuff

00:08:30.420 just seeing what would stick and like trying to find a voice really because you have to

00:08:34.520 know what you joke about and i have put my foot so far up my own esophagus like literally i have

00:08:41.100 Like, I have said the dumbest things in the world that have got me in trouble.

00:08:45.760 And you just, you test it.

00:08:47.380 Yeah, you trial and error it.

00:08:48.380 Like, why am I talking about Doja Cat like that?

00:08:50.560 Like, I'm maybe going to see this girl one day.

00:08:53.260 There's not a lot of black women in entertainment.

00:08:55.220 Right.

00:08:55.780 Why?

00:08:57.320 Sorry, Doja.

00:08:58.120 Unblock me.

00:08:59.960 Just unblock me, please.

00:09:01.600 Yeah.

00:09:02.000 But we don't use Twitter anymore.

00:09:03.160 So it's OK.

00:09:03.680 I have a second life on threads.

00:09:05.480 Oh, my God.

00:09:06.580 OK, no.

00:09:07.420 I just now started looking at threads.

00:09:09.460 OK.

00:09:09.640 because i'm i'm missing that itch that i can't scratch anymore i deleted my twitter like i think

00:09:14.540 three years ago now which i'm devastated by um because i really loved that app but it just has

00:09:20.020 churned into the worst most toxic place ever now but once upon a time it was lovely and amazing

00:09:27.120 and it was my favorite app to like scroll on even when i started kind of doing this it was like one

00:09:31.480 of my favorite apps to go on because that's one of the few places i could really fuck someone up

00:09:37.140 yeah and not get banned or get like strikes against me yeah so i could like say just the

00:09:42.120 most insane serious things like the way i really wanted to insult awful men sometimes like bigoted

00:09:48.100 men i can't do on like tiktok because they put that check mark by their name then they locked

00:09:52.940 me down yeah but on twitter they didn't care obviously but i'm devastated at the loss of it

00:09:58.080 but i've heard threads is popping well i'm a late comer like i because i'm like i don't know i think

00:10:03.860 i'm a curmudgeon like i think i'm an old i've been if it's new i'm like ew really this is what

00:10:10.020 they're doing that's why i thought it's about be real i was like you can't see what the part of

00:10:14.220 my brain that we just went to i forgot about that you forgot about see how come and go yeah yeah

00:10:18.980 but i literally tried it for maybe a few days and i was like i can't do this no no no i can't do

00:10:23.760 this i can't update you guys in photos every day and then like when i didn't know how to do the

00:10:28.020 the double angle thing and it was making me feel insecure about myself like bitches are figuring

00:10:32.860 out how to do their directing like massive storylines no no bitch no i'm sticking to my

00:10:38.260 one pov yeah don't hurt my feelings right so when did you speaking of your voice in comedy when did

00:10:45.320 you kind of feel like you were starting to find it a little bit more was it like were you doing

00:10:48.500 more open mics were you like starting to get into writing more seriously yeah when was that

00:10:53.220 i wish i had like an answer for you like i know myself like i try to be self-aware but i'm like

00:10:58.260 changing every day yeah that's true that's a good way of looking at it though yeah like i i especially

00:11:03.080 now like i'm a mother now and i got married and i remember thinking that was lame as shit like

00:11:08.560 three years ago like i was like bitch i'll never find a man and he's like so that was my voice

00:11:14.560 then and that's how i felt about life and then i met this great guy and i just you know i've heard

00:11:20.080 that god damn it i know it's a bummer bro it's a real fucking bummer i'll tell you what i was like

00:11:25.040 so bad for my brand like me being in love with my man like such a bummer and that's why we hide

00:11:30.620 them we post them like once a year and like hide them there you go i'm like yeah it's fine and

00:11:35.200 you're fine and men will be fine because they have you know rights and then that's the one

00:11:38.920 thing we get is yeah like oh about it but i'm and i and you know i guess it's like a good thing you

00:11:44.200 find the one but like i'm like they're still awful like 90 of them but yeah one yeah i had

00:11:50.180 just i feel like i scavenged like i found him and girls are like oh my god like how's your

00:11:55.440 relationship bitch i can't help you like i want to help you yeah man but it was i looked like far

00:12:02.860 and wide yeah my checklist of things that he needed to not have but be right how he needed

00:12:09.520 to talk to me i and in a lot of ways i love i love you baby i love you so much baby uh these

00:12:14.780 are all jokes baby he needed to teach me stuff about the world and he couldn't just be a random

00:12:22.140 dude you know what i mean yeah i agree my husband has taught me like i mean i taught him how to wash

00:12:28.720 the dishes i know for a fact i did they don't be washing i had to put don't bring that up with me

00:12:33.520 again i already know bro yeah so i he he just taught me well first of all i stopped lying when

00:12:40.380 i started dating him did that happen to you yes of course it did all i loved to lie when i was

00:12:45.800 dating before all i did was lie i miss lying all the time i miss like that was one of my favorite

00:12:50.420 things about going out was lying yes oh my god i was like and who am i gonna be tonight exactly

00:12:55.140 i guess we'll see names yeah yeah i guess we'll see i'm destiny i went to juilliard yeah what do

00:13:00.140 you do one time i was faking an australian accent which i'm not good at me too you've done that too

00:13:06.660 We are the same sicko.

00:13:09.400 Girl, and then when I got too drunk and I dropped it, like, because I got too drunk.

00:13:14.580 And then he was like, mind you, I think you're stupid for even believing me because it's not good.

00:13:19.440 Like, my Australian accent is not good at all.

00:13:21.560 I'm not even going to pretend to try now because it's not good.

00:13:24.140 And then when I dropped it, he was like, wait, you're not Australian.

00:13:26.440 And I go, when did I say that?

00:13:27.760 Me just gaslighting.

00:13:29.220 As if I haven't been speaking in a cartoony voice for hours.

00:13:32.020 You're weird.

00:13:32.740 We're drinking.

00:13:33.140 And I was like, where did you get that?

00:13:35.040 in fact why are you making things up about me are you spreading lies about me me just gaslighting

00:13:39.280 yeah and saying stuff yeah and you're not keeping a through line no you're having you're you're

00:13:44.300 being drew yeah i was like i'm being me i'm being whoever i need to be to get a free drink yeah

00:13:49.000 yeah this is okay so mine is really really yours is fun yours is like a hot sexy flirty story

00:13:56.160 mine is dark and academic and bad oh no okay so i graduated from the university of nebraska

00:14:04.880 lincoln with a philosophy degree oh look at you smarty pants sure but like i was i there's no way

00:14:12.060 to cut this yeah you're right it was i was smart back then um i don't really have um so uh we're

00:14:20.440 in like my philosophy of current issues my first class and i was not taking it seriously it was a

00:14:25.840 gen ed it was like i'm not i'm not gonna do this yeah so i was like fuck it i'm about to be somebody

00:14:29.700 else and yeah in class during the icebreaker no less so they're going through each person love it

00:14:37.580 yeah immediately like let's get to it i'm australian bitch so we're going through people

00:14:42.320 and then they they start with me and i'm like hey um yeah yeah my name is ida

00:14:50.440 awesome that's a pretty good one honestly no i would have believed you committed bro

00:14:56.300 and it's like i'm saying this deeply muslim name like yeah ida hausman from africa and australia

00:15:03.040 and i'm doing this and we go through the whole thing and then we get to the last person

00:15:08.120 and he's like hey um i'm from sydney my name is dylan uh whatever whatever i can't do his i don't

00:15:15.180 i didn't you know practice his um and he's like it's so so cool is someone here from you know

00:15:21.620 Dan on the team I think I'm from a different

00:15:23.700 one yeah yeah I'm from

00:15:25.660 yeah it's like further south yeah what side are you

00:15:27.740 from I'm from the other side yeah yeah

00:15:29.480 um so yeah

00:15:31.740 so I realized I shot myself in the foot

00:15:33.720 in that moment but I had to maintain

00:15:35.700 this lie yeah you had to the

00:15:37.660 rest of my college career

00:15:38.980 just like

00:15:41.700 Ross from Friends you ever see that one

00:15:43.720 wait go ahead Ross from Friends he like

00:15:45.780 fakes a British accent his like first day

00:15:47.660 teaching yes because he thinks they'll pay attention

00:15:49.740 more and then he has to hold it for like the whole semester and then of course like what do

00:15:54.400 you do it just slowly dissipates over the course of your undergraduate you're like i don't want to

00:15:58.460 do the accent anymore yeah guys come on i don't feel like it come on and i i'm acclimating to

00:16:03.080 nebraska like i'm losing my accent i'm trying to get rid of it like you start building a story and

00:16:07.760 then that's when i realized like damn i am you know how you flip it you're like i should write

00:16:11.940 fiction like i'm not a liar i should i'm a storyteller i'm just a really imaginative person

00:16:16.860 yeah yeah i love yeah literally my my man he loves to say that like he's like well because

00:16:23.480 i'm sure you have this too now that i'm figuring out we move the same in a lot of ways um when i

00:16:29.200 tell a story there's pageantry to it yeah like if i say there there was like a hundred people

00:16:34.780 outside obviously there's probably realistically two but that's not the point the point is hyperbole

00:16:39.520 yeah hello it's color we're adding it to the story so anytime i recount a story to my like

00:16:46.000 my husband where he's not there yeah he'll be like is that what really happened or is that

00:16:51.620 he always like fact checks me a little bit and i'm always like yes that's what really happened

00:16:55.460 i always say yes even though it's not because he knows like i was like the gist is true yeah

00:17:01.740 everything else it's just decoration on the tree like the tree is still beautiful obviously you're

00:17:06.120 enjoying it but like it's just decoration yeah i'm trying to give you an experience why don't

00:17:10.040 you want this is like 4dx but like storytelling yeah scratch and sniff come here

00:17:14.920 there's more to this just look that's crazy i don't tell good stories unless i've written them

00:17:22.100 seriously no you don't think so i bet that's not true no i get in my head i'm very and i have to

00:17:28.880 stop watching so many tiktoks on 2x speed like i'm not having original i do that a lot me and my

00:17:33.940 sister joke that like sometimes when i watch stuff like things that are not supposed to have that

00:17:38.160 feature like a movie or something or someone talking for a long time i'm like i wish i could

00:17:42.380 2x this like when i'm watching and i'm like i get it i get it but like oh i wish i could 2x this

00:17:47.580 yeah i'm experiencing that kind of brain rot too sometimes like no i have it i'm i'm rotted up for

00:17:53.000 sure my literacy rate is declining with the journal like every day i'm like write a read

00:17:58.360 a fucking book yeah it gets chipped away just a little bit yeah have you read anything recently

00:18:02.580 recently i'll be honest with you what i'm reading right now is a fan fiction

00:18:06.620 oh about what um are you familiar with avatar the last airbender

00:18:10.280 i'm like so deeply humiliated no this is amazing okay yeah the little boy with the blue arrow

00:18:25.200 yes go ahead are you familiar with him yeah okay the girl cora right katara yeah oh my god

00:18:32.640 take that out take that out okay well there is no there is you said cora yeah there is another

00:18:38.300 avatar in a different show her name is cora and you would know that yes i would yes i would i'm

00:18:43.680 intimately familiar with that yes essentially there's two characters in that in this fake

00:18:48.620 animated series um that i think should have ended up together this fan fiction is about another

00:18:53.440 world in which they do i love you so much keep going i literally have been reading i'm not and

00:19:01.000 i'm so dead ass i've been reading it like legitimately okay on my phone of course through

00:19:05.180 safari on my phone of course it's like between work breaks too it's like guys oh yes it's in

00:19:09.860 between anything anytime i'm laying and i'm looking at my phone if you think i'm doing work i'm not

00:19:13.320 i'm reading my fan fiction that is amazing i love that so much it's probably better than how i find

00:19:20.100 books which is like on tiktok if somebody clips a live from doji okay where she's explaining like

00:19:26.840 her process right i'm like you know i still think i'm gonna be a pop star yes of course i'm rooting

00:19:31.420 for you thank you yes the the grammys are coming um the grammys are loading currently i'll just

00:19:36.700 do whatever though she's like yes this is what i did i mean that's fair so she's got great taste

00:19:40.720 she's got great taste she's wonderful i'm reading a book that she recommended and i don't know what

00:19:46.980 it's called i really should know what it's called but i am reading it yeah i am reading i'm kind i

00:19:51.740 can promise you i'm reading it i just don't remember the name i've been there though i've

00:19:55.120 been reading it since her career started though so that's really bad it's like she's like four

00:20:00.100 it's a slow burn you know i'm just taking i'm taking my time i'm savoring exactly see i love

00:20:05.740 that about us we can reframe anything yeah to be in our favor i think that's a beautiful thing that

00:20:10.320 is so true yes i can manipulate i can justify anything to make myself feel better and that

00:20:17.200 is such that's a positive trait i know that i think so too and i agree with you because even

00:20:22.760 when i've like talked with my friends or like my sister and we're talking about like breakups or

00:20:26.960 something yeah I'll always tell them like if if you know my friends are like I just wish I had

00:20:31.540 like closure I wish I'm like well give it to yourself yes and I always tell them make up the

00:20:36.240 story yeah what are you gonna do come correct me yeah oh I dare you I dare you to come over here

00:20:40.580 well clearly they broke up with me because they I'm like too beautiful and too talented like I'll

00:20:46.140 tell myself anything you're not here to verify that's true and we only have the narrative that

00:20:52.040 we keep in that's what we need so you have to write it or like what was i gonna say it's like

00:20:57.780 this is how this happens too i'm like a sieve like things go in and out it's like i know i have

00:21:02.780 so much adhd and i learned about it recently i don't know do you know your mental illnesses are

00:21:09.400 you oh yeah you know it's funny you say that yeah because i've been tiptoeing around an ocd diagnosis

00:21:14.180 for over a year oh i am recently i'm closing in on her okay but transparently last year i was going

00:21:20.240 through the fucking trend i was being dragged through the mud girl mentally that i i got on

00:21:24.500 meds for the first time which had been a lifesaver and i'm happy about but i remember i made this is

00:21:29.440 like one of the few times i've made my therapist laugh i don't know if you try this but like

00:21:32.720 sometimes i'm like i hope you laugh at my job like am i your funniest client like sometimes i

00:21:37.280 want to ask her that and so she was she's very like uh let's not use humor to cope like let's

00:21:43.820 talk through things i'm like okay girl you're like end the zoom call i'm like yeah i'm like

00:21:47.100 whose side are you on yeah um and so we're we're like talking about i'm like going through the

00:21:51.500 trenches i'm getting on meds and then i told her i was like so recently i saw something that makes

00:21:56.120 me think that i might have ocd and then she to me goes well that's not a no and i was like okay

00:22:04.440 and i go so i just feel like it's true but i'm so stuck in this right now i really feel like

00:22:11.180 i'll come back to you yeah let me just let me get out of this and i'll circle back yeah and then

00:22:15.780 she kind of laughed and she goes well yes remember i told you we'll revisit stuff once we get through

00:22:19.820 this and i'm like okay so she knows i have it like i was like so yes i'm very familiar with

00:22:27.120 uh finding out later in life your diagnosis yeah i mean i always knew something was up you know

00:22:32.720 yeah me too it was obvious but i just thought i was like i just thought i was silly like i just

00:22:38.420 i just thought i was you know i was like i'm great i lie i manipulate i steal sometimes

00:22:44.660 i love to shoplift that's normal yeah well something well i mean okay a girl yeah a young

00:22:52.240 a teenage girl making it in america right so i was i i never really thought i had a problem and

00:22:59.320 no listen i love my brother he had full-blown autism so compared to him i was like yeah you're

00:23:05.300 like princess diana like i was doing great and and um i just nobody ever thought to look at what

00:23:12.240 i was doing because we're dealing with my brother he's non-verbal and like he had a lot of health

00:23:16.740 issues so yeah i recently i got a new therapy i got a psychiatrist because i was looking for them

00:23:23.360 pillies yeah i feel you just a few of them yeah just a couple and i was talking to her and she

00:23:29.940 did the adhd test on me and she came back with the results and she was like nigerian lady

00:23:38.300 she's like

00:23:40.360 uh-oh

00:23:41.300 your mind is like

00:23:46.240 a thousand grasso pas

00:23:47.980 I said what?

00:23:51.620 like

00:23:52.060 stop being poetic

00:23:53.420 oh yeah

00:23:53.860 you could have just said

00:23:54.720 yeah you have it

00:23:55.640 yeah say the clinical shit

00:23:56.920 definitely for sure

00:23:57.920 say the clinical shit

00:23:58.940 like I was like

00:24:00.040 I reported her

00:24:01.100 I reported her

00:24:01.780 to the board

00:24:02.320 I did

00:24:02.940 you can't practice

00:24:04.440 in California

00:24:05.040 yeah good luck bitch

00:24:06.940 yeah have fun

00:24:07.740 But then she gave me some Adderall,

00:24:10.600 and all my friends were like, don't take it,

00:24:12.440 just start doing eye therapy,

00:24:15.080 and like, get a red lens.

00:24:17.180 Yeah, yeah, do MadGab on your phone.

00:24:19.780 You're like, no, I wanna try it.

00:24:21.980 No, I need the good shit, I need the serious shit, yeah.

00:24:24.240 So I got the pills, tried the pills,

00:24:26.760 and used it for like two, three months

00:24:29.080 so I could get, I think, the brain-

00:24:31.620 Locked in.

00:24:32.460 Yeah, like get the pattern of maintaining a thought

00:24:34.520 for longer than two seconds.

00:24:35.880 Right, yes.

00:24:36.720 And then I feel like I used it to help me like an instrument, but I don't like to take them that much anymore.

00:24:41.380 And that's fair.

00:24:42.060 Yeah.

00:24:42.420 And that's good with time.

00:24:44.000 Like, that's why it's nice to, like, do it slowly over time.

00:24:46.800 Yeah.

00:24:47.140 My sister has been telling me recently, too.

00:24:49.240 My sister's also getting, she recently is getting tested for ADHD as well.

00:24:53.200 And she's also, one of the questions, she, like, sent me a picture of it.

00:24:57.420 And one of the questions on the questionnaire just to set up the test was, like, do you find yourself interrupting people frequently?

00:25:04.400 which like if you knew my sister that's all that bitch does like and like when you talk to her

00:25:10.320 she'll be looking like she's listening and she goes I went to the store yesterday oh and then

00:25:15.000 I go oh you did oh did you yes I did and you know what I got and then we talk about her thing for

00:25:19.960 about 20 minutes and she goes sorry what were you saying and then we just go right back I'm so used

00:25:24.740 to it it doesn't it doesn't bother you no not at all are you big sister or little sister little

00:25:28.700 okay which is ironic it's funny a lot of times people are like that's little sister shit but

00:25:32.800 no no i am you're supposed to be better than me no but that's she's way more typey than me in a

00:25:39.400 lot of ways too like i'm a very type a uh kind of girl and my sister like this is a good example

00:25:44.320 we were in vegas recently because me and my man are getting married uh soon but we had a joint

00:25:50.260 bachelor bachelorette party um in vegas and like the last day we were there we had to check out at

00:25:55.600 like 12 and it was like 9 in the morning and we were like oh let's go shopping around like in the

00:25:59.740 little stores and stuff and uh we're she was like yeah i'll come too and i was like all of us

00:26:04.380 obviously packed beforehand so then we all packed i packed the night before because that's how crazy

00:26:09.700 i was about packing and so then we go and we're shopping for hours we come back and she goes

00:26:13.900 i'll go pack now yeah and i was like you didn't pack she goes no i'm just gonna zip it all up in

00:26:18.420 one big thing i'm all oh oh my god bitch i was like if you guys can't believe she was not packed

00:26:22.780 like we had to leave in like five minutes and she's like it's gonna take me like a second and

00:26:26.440 And you have like a capsule wardrobe with photos of everything you're going to wear.

00:26:30.500 And yes, I did.

00:26:31.360 I got all my outfits in little piles with all my little things on top.

00:26:34.840 So there's like type A and type B.

00:26:36.480 And then I saw this on TikTok.

00:26:37.580 There's like type C.

00:26:38.600 Have you seen this?

00:26:39.380 No.

00:26:39.620 Is it like a mix of the two?

00:26:40.780 It's like you have no God.

00:26:44.440 You're just kind of floating.

00:26:45.580 Yeah, I'm type C.

00:26:46.620 I'm somebody like if you go on my phone right now, thousands of notes.

00:26:49.600 I write everything down.

00:26:50.660 Yeah.

00:26:51.000 Do I look at them ever again?

00:26:52.380 No.

00:26:52.740 Of course not.

00:26:53.520 Yeah.

00:26:53.760 Do I?

00:26:54.060 I have a routine that's like minute because I'm a mom now.

00:26:56.440 too so it's it's so it i'm embarrassed about the level of like routine it's like i'm in a cult

00:27:04.340 like i've created a cult i'm the solo person in the cult 15 she's the leader she's the leader

00:27:09.580 yeah 815 boil her eggs 820 purify her urine or whatever they do in cold like change her diaper

00:27:17.220 purify her urine change her diaper and and it's just constant constant but then i never follow

00:27:24.000 it so there's that type c of like you want structure right but you don't it's you don't

00:27:29.800 you're like i should have structure but i'm always kind of fine yeah everything's good everything i'm

00:27:34.980 withdrew i joke about that too because my friend who's my assistant and my other friend who's my

00:27:41.140 agent they're both type a women but like yeah to to the utmost utmost degree like way more than me

00:27:47.100 and i feel like i'm pretty type a and i always joke that whenever they're there i can be whatever

00:27:52.300 I can be the dumbest bitch in the room when they're there because they're handling all of it

00:27:56.580 yeah so I can actually afford to be type b when there's an even more type a person amongst me

00:28:02.300 but that's not very common yeah so sometimes I have to be dada like I was like I have to be I

00:28:07.700 have to be big papa because nobody else is here to steer the ship this is insane I guess it has

00:28:12.100 to be me but I do want to pivot back to comedy writing I would love to know because I know we

00:28:16.840 talked about twitter and that was kind of where you started like seeing where you could sample

00:28:20.120 uh when did you really start getting into like writing in general like whether it was like full

00:28:24.860 sketches scripts pitches all of it when did i start doing okay well back to college i really

00:28:31.380 wanted to write for the satire newspaper like cool you know like and i had applied for the onion

00:28:36.320 in chicago fun and they didn't accept me and they said fuck off and i said okay no worries

00:28:43.200 they're like you're making jokes about nelly and solange like we don't know who those people are

00:28:47.760 right so you know and and i just wanted to write for the newspaper at my college and it was the

00:28:54.080 same situation where i like didn't fit in with these weird um quasi-autistic white boys right

00:29:01.560 i see what you mean you know like they thought they were harvard lampoon but we were in nebraska

00:29:05.520 so it wasn't that it wasn't giving they notoriously have really bad taste so there's that too

00:29:11.080 white guys white guys yeah talk about it yeah they have really really bad taste and so a lot

00:29:15.580 of times when they're like, well, I don't find that funny. I'm like, well, who are you? Yeah.

00:29:18.700 Well, of course you don't. Look at you. What's your worldview? Yeah. I was like, okay, well,

00:29:22.520 you tell me a joke. Yeah. I'd love to hear it. I'm sure it's hilarious. Yeah. And it's, yeah,

00:29:26.260 it's like, yeah, and her pussy was stankin'. I hate my wife. Yeah. I hate my wife. My wife

00:29:32.360 always wants to go to Target. It's like the same shit. Stanley Cup every day. Stanley Cup.

00:29:38.360 Yes. I drink water every day. Yeah. Well, yeah. Yes. Yes. In fact. Yeah. So I'm totally going

00:29:44.740 to forget about comedy writing if I don't focus um didn't take Adderall today okay so I wanted to

00:29:51.560 write satire stuff and I just started writing my own shit and love trying to put it out into the

00:29:55.900 world tried to make videos but I am so bad at videos like really yeah and I love tv so I wanted

00:30:01.000 to write scripts yeah and I was doing shows I had moved to LA to do another podcast where I was the

00:30:06.920 co-host it was called keep it yes still going with Ira yeah Ira and Lewis it was um it was a great

00:30:12.840 time except for they were so much older than me and now i have like clarity is 2020 yeah is that

00:30:18.540 the same clarity is hindsight's 2020 i am an idiot clarity is 20 hey it's all the same i knew i caught

00:30:25.440 i caught your metaphor thank you that's all that matters no worries you're not pretentious

00:30:29.480 there's orange on the wall yes this is where i want to be period um hindsight is 2020 i was much

00:30:37.080 younger than them and i was trying to keep up with their like pop culture references yeah everything

00:30:40.760 and my offerings would be like did you guys see what tiara wax said today and they're like you

00:30:45.800 know we're talking about jane fonda this is a weird pivot and right so i'm sure it added color

00:30:51.040 but i just didn't know myself well enough and then maybe you can speak to this too because you

00:30:54.880 podcast every day like you do this a lot you have to have opinions and talk a lot yeah and so i

00:31:00.420 wasn't really enjoying that but i loved them and i loved the experience yeah but i really wanted to

00:31:05.720 just write scripts yeah so i i moved i had moved to la for that and then i started i think i was

00:31:12.160 doing a show at the comedy store and one of the comedians that wrote for big mouth was like this

00:31:18.980 girl's funny and then and that is the perfect i feel like yeah humor for you yeah you've been

00:31:25.480 describing you really love to write about and like inform an opinion on yeah hell yeah it was smart

00:31:31.260 and it was inappropriate and it didn't it didn't sacrifice intellect and specificity

00:31:39.520 for the type of like dirty raunchy jokes it was doing right and i really liked that and i was a

00:31:45.460 fan of it and i'm gonna tell you this you're gonna like this before i even moved to la for

00:31:50.360 the podcast i was telling people in nebraska that i had gotten a job at big mouth just lying

00:31:55.820 just manifest which is the type of manifesting that's what i'm saying i i said the same thing

00:32:00.140 I'm like, is it lying or is it me just manifesting my reality?

00:32:02.600 Yes, creating that reality.

00:32:03.680 And then when it works out, you're like, I knew it.

00:32:06.040 I'm a witch, maybe?

00:32:07.300 And I'm supposed to stop lying, even though it works?

00:32:09.680 Yeah.

00:32:10.300 Yeah.

00:32:11.140 God, and maybe that's why I have no motion, because I've stopped lying right now.

00:32:14.980 My motion is slowed.

00:32:16.100 I need to start.

00:32:17.180 I need to get back in the saddle.

00:32:18.440 I have MSG next week.

00:32:19.800 We got to wrap this up.

00:32:22.560 Then?

00:32:23.120 Yeah.

00:32:23.600 So, yeah, and then, you know, he asked me to come.

00:32:25.700 i interviewed and i talked to nick kroll and all the people at big mouth and i was just so fanned

00:32:32.320 out like i realized i love you guys so much i've been watching this forever and and so fucking

00:32:37.000 cool though yeah and i'm a huge comedy fan like i'm a nerd about comedy i wish that i was cooler

00:32:42.840 about it yeah like when i met will on the show that i just did i just yes i think i was we will

00:32:48.340 get to that drooling no we have to talk about that yeah yeah tell me about big mouth and he

00:32:52.860 He's smogged. He's hot.

00:32:54.760 I'll say it.

00:32:55.700 I'll say it.

00:32:56.760 I'll be the first to say it.

00:32:58.160 Will Ferrell's fucking hot.

00:33:00.320 He's hot.

00:33:01.560 I believe you.

00:33:02.560 He's like intense and sincere and earnest and like so funny.

00:33:08.480 He's sexy.

00:33:09.380 Yeah, a one of one, honestly.

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00:36:39.720 i find humor incredibly sexy i find people who are so themselves like really sexy that i think

00:36:45.620 that's what i love about stuff like that especially when you have artists like will ferrell for

00:36:50.120 example like someone who is so singularly themselves that i think people believe it's an

00:36:55.700 act yeah all the time which like a lot of times he's in and out of a bit for sure but like it's

00:37:01.120 he's just so unique like so singularly themselves we're talking about kiki palmer earlier like

00:37:05.940 she's another person like that to me where it's like you're so yourself that people find you so

00:37:10.820 unbelievably funny and amazing yeah that they think it's like an act but that's just how they

00:37:15.580 exist and i think that's a beautiful thing i think when people come to the stage like yeah

00:37:19.380 the this is a stage even though we're like just being girls right this is still a stage and you

00:37:25.200 have to decide like how you want to show up yeah totally so it's like a refinement yeah how i want

00:37:31.120 to show up is like distracted i have adhd and i don't know but like i guess that's just honesty

00:37:36.980 yeah it is it's authenticity yeah yeah i agree it's cool i think it's cool that you share that

00:37:41.040 you have ocd thank you that you're fucked up yeah yes of course that i have a lot of problems and

00:37:46.680 my therapist hears about them constantly yeah i know it's well and there's power in it right like

00:37:51.220 and that's another form of representation i feel like especially that's like the beauty of um i

00:37:56.140 would say one of the good things that comes out of social media melding with this world but i was

00:38:00.360 gonna ask you like if you feel like it's changed at all like the comedy space now that things like

00:38:06.100 tiktok are big and like reels are big like and obviously we talked about the death of twitter

00:38:10.620 or the twitter that we loved um do you think that's kind of shifting the space at all like

00:38:14.860 do you think it's changing comedy and like depiction of it because a lot i always ask

00:38:17.980 comics especially because um i also have such a long-standing respect for stand-up i think stand-up

00:38:25.380 is one of my favorite art forms ever i i've always loved like making people laugh like you said but i

00:38:31.320 also love to laugh yeah so i love to be told jokes i love to to uh like you know think about

00:38:38.080 people's perspectives through humor and comedy um so i'm curious to hear your thoughts on like if

00:38:43.120 you feel like things like tiktok becoming huge and people posting like fucking nothing but crowd

00:38:47.440 work and being like i should go to the laugh factory and do 10 like that kind of mentality

00:38:52.200 i'm curious if it's like you've seen a change like in comedy and like the expression of the

00:38:56.500 art form i guess definitely especially because like my background is obviously like the nebraska

00:39:02.200 rooms which were you know i had to like make white boys laugh so i like right you were really shaped

00:39:08.640 by the room that you're in that's such a good point yeah yeah and so like tiktok humor you know

00:39:12.760 you if you're not on tiktok you don't know what i'm talking about ever like i admit i was off

00:39:17.000 tiktok for a week and now they're saying stuff like what's the new thing right now it's um

00:39:22.260 i've seen a dead horse yeah beating a dead horse i've seen that i've seen that and i've seen quiet

00:39:26.800 on the creek that's right on the creek yeah santana quiet yes and i i know it was a saucy

00:39:30.760 santana song but that was like i just saw that because i was offline for a couple days and i was

00:39:34.680 like what the hell is that i have to catch up oh no yeah start sweating like i i remember and

00:39:39.920 someone asked me last night they're like what's quiet on the creek and i just started going yeah

00:39:43.140 me too and everyone's like what are you having a seizure and i'm like no no no this is literally

00:39:48.760 what it is you asked me a question yeah i was like i'm answering your question and here you

00:39:51.840 are judging me and then they want like the full explanation and it's like well i haven't heard

00:39:56.140 the song yet i'm gonna listen to the song i've seen the video promoting that's all i know and

00:39:59.960 that's all i know i know it's about being dl i'm assuming yes and i know you know and and i know i

00:40:05.040 sound crazy so you can have totally different worlds of humor true and i love that yeah i love

00:40:10.800 at all i think so too i think that's a really healthy way of looking at it too because i think

00:40:14.780 sometimes i understand bristling if you're a comic like a traditional comic and then you're getting

00:40:20.160 annoyed because now comedy stand-up especially has been watered down in a lot of ways because

00:40:25.400 it's like it's so easy to go viral yeah with just one clip that all of a sudden it empowers men

00:40:31.120 mostly uh to be like i should quit my job and do this for a living yeah um when they have like one

00:40:36.500 crowd work clip do well so i understand being apprehensive about it in that sense but i also

00:40:41.300 i think i see it the same way you do and that's probably my bias because obviously i came up

00:40:45.780 through tiktok but i was like there's also so much humor and perspective on there too like it's like

00:40:51.580 not all bad some of it is really awesome in the way that it's been able to blend tiktok was

00:40:56.040 essentially my doula while i was pregnant like fully it was guiding me like a magical fairy like

00:41:02.380 Like, people would be like, are you good?

00:41:04.260 Do you need anything?

00:41:04.600 I'm good.

00:41:05.120 Like, I've been listening to mothers, like, month by month,

00:41:07.740 literally, like, 38 weeks pregnant, 24 weeks.

00:41:10.100 I would find the specific video, and it felt like I had,

00:41:12.980 this is so sad in Gen Z, I felt like I had a friend

00:41:15.760 who was pregnant at the same time as me.

00:41:18.180 It didn't matter if I knew the girl or followed her.

00:41:19.980 Right, and that is the beautiful part of it.

00:41:21.880 I will agree with you on that.

00:41:23.120 Like, connection, community, right?

00:41:24.680 Like, that's why when it's not being perverse

00:41:27.280 and it's not being utilized in an evil way, it's amazing.

00:41:30.700 Yes.

00:41:31.020 I agree.

00:41:31.360 And, like, back to Big Mouth, I love that you were able to write with them, especially because I agree with you on the humor of Big Mouth.

00:41:38.460 It's, like, similar to what I find hilarious because I've talked about this with Caleb, too, but, like, Family Guy is one of my favorite, like, TV shows, like, ever because the humor is so layered in it.

00:41:50.220 And sometimes it's just so downright fucking absurd that it's hilarious.

00:41:52.980 but I was like there are a lot of layered jokes and in those kinds of shows like where the humor

00:41:58.240 is so unbelievably funny to me but then you have like it's kind of like the office or like friends

00:42:05.360 friends is different I'll put that in a different bucket but my my point being sometimes their fans

00:42:09.760 are just the worst but I was like so it makes you not want to look into the show but I promise

00:42:14.100 it's hilarious like that's how I feel I'm like if you really look at it and that's how I feel

00:42:17.640 about big mouth yeah so i love that they were able to like uh understand and appreciate how

00:42:23.040 your humor and what it could add to the team but then also i would go too hard sometimes and

00:42:27.640 everyone would look at me and be like are you cool hey i'm like what if mona is like yeah and

00:42:33.180 then i creamed in my underwear and i could do it i could do it i could do a spin and keep the dick

00:42:38.880 still inside and they're like whoa they're like okay well that's crazy peel it back a little bit

00:42:44.080 yeah they're like well don't be gross yeah yeah don't be oh my bad i thought that was kind of our

00:42:52.100 whole thing yeah my bad i thought we were vile like sewer demons man okay now well that's a

00:42:57.940 great uh creaming in your pants is a great transition to will ferrell and you're in your

00:43:01.860 new show the hawk yeah the hawk i would love for you to tell me about it okay and you're and how

00:43:08.020 you came to be involved with it and just like what you're most excited about well i'm excited to be

00:43:12.900 working again let's just start there because it's hollywood like when we were talking about

00:43:18.120 things transitioning hollywood is in a very transitional place right now that's true yeah

00:43:23.120 it's still trying to remind people that tv is good right because right now you know our comedians are

00:43:28.200 coming out of streaming and our comedian not streaming but what am i trying to say no streaming

00:43:33.540 is a great one yeah like yeah and it's like the bite-sized clips of everything yeah clips and

00:43:37.520 stuff like there's a different pathway to entry now right you know so um and like i said i love

00:43:44.340 all of that i'm not no but it does it does make it hard sometimes especially like for the more

00:43:50.900 traditional side of hollywood yeah it's like you got to change your your thinking about it yeah i

00:43:56.060 so i auditioned for the show i had the baby in july i auditioned for the show like maybe three

00:44:00.900 months after and i had had a c-section so look at you girl i really i saw will on the email i'm like

00:44:06.340 i can't say

00:44:07.320 this thursday jemma you can do something i didn't know was possible

00:44:18.680 you can bring demons back from the further to the human world permanently evil found a way out

00:44:25.720 insidious out of the further thursday

00:44:28.720 i want to do this no absolutely yeah i want to do this and women can do anything

00:44:36.160 I got chills thinking about you doing it right fresh off of a c-section doubling over yeah me

00:44:40.600 getting chills it was women can do anything we really can do anything literally that's when I

00:44:45.040 learned and in fact having a child people get scared people are like I don't want a baby my

00:44:49.300 career and all yeah the way my baby has whipped me into shape oh wow that's so beautiful yeah

00:44:54.540 what a beautiful thing it's really sweet yeah she's amazing yeah she's cooler than me and

00:44:59.560 then that's how it's supposed to go that's evolution I guess and she's like she's so

00:45:05.000 the other day i was playing a zara larson song and she looked at me like

00:45:07.620 and then i turned on like the cure and she was like yeah and she was like now we're fucking

00:45:15.180 talking yeah okay you're being an elitist a little bit but hey that's misogyny we'll talk

00:45:21.180 about that when you get older yeah you're really male-centered for a one-year-old yeah we gotta

00:45:27.520 work on that dada first word what's wrong with you i give you tit right every day yeah you're

00:45:33.760 no worries I grew you inside me but no worries yeah no chill go ahead I was just like a vessel

00:45:37.900 I just opened a portal for you that's not a big deal um so you did your audition I was in a lot

00:45:44.760 of pain and I did not get that character but then I got a call from a friend of mine who worked on

00:45:51.560 the show that she wasn't a friend but she became a friend after meeting her like I met with Gloria

00:45:55.580 Sanchez because one day hopefully I'll have a tv show yes but um then uh then I auditioned for

00:46:02.880 another character and it was it was the it was the daughter of the caddy who's played by keith

00:46:09.080 david yes who is i can't believe i got i can't believe the people i got to work with on this

00:46:14.140 no it's actually fucking insane it was wild all star lineup molly shannon keith david luke wilson

00:46:22.260 jimmy tetro's really fucking funny like everyone has so fucking awesome yeah what a great lineup

00:46:28.320 And I was scared because it's like, OK, I'm a black girl coming on to this all white set.

00:46:33.000 Right.

00:46:33.600 You know, I didn't know how it was going to be.

00:46:35.640 And I haven't had amazing experiences with white people.

00:46:38.540 You know, I'm from the Midwest.

00:46:39.880 You're telling me, girl.

00:46:40.760 Yeah.

00:46:41.180 Yeah.

00:46:41.360 So I was scared.

00:46:42.820 But they're obviously they were all really cool.

00:46:45.720 I didn't feel uncomfortable even one time.

00:46:48.100 That's so beautiful.

00:46:48.920 It was good.

00:46:49.580 Yeah.

00:46:50.140 And I'm coming from my last show, which was like directed by black women, written by black women.

00:46:54.980 Yes.

00:46:55.780 Cast was black women.

00:46:56.580 and that was a life-changing moment for me too yeah i learned that that was possible

00:47:00.840 even though the burden of it was just so scary yeah but you know we got our two seasons it's a

00:47:06.440 beautiful show i think it's a beautiful rap shit is a beautiful snapshot of like 20 24 and 23 and

00:47:14.080 22 and we love isa we we love isa over here we literally will die about isa i love her she's

00:47:21.220 incredible talk about being intimidated on set shit i was gonna say like if i was wet for will

00:47:28.080 what do you think was happening i'm right for real sorry to my husband publicly saying i was

00:47:34.380 you get it you get my joke he knows yeah it's yeah it's it's comedy i know especially isa like

00:47:40.020 i i love everything she does but also the fact that she was like an online girl like came from

00:47:46.340 online and like writing her own stuff like that's what i find so inspiring especially about her

00:47:50.740 is the fact that she was like i'm writing this and it's like for me and for my community and for us

00:47:57.020 like it's like it's it's like that old thing where it's like if i want to be on tv i'm gonna have to

00:48:01.800 write it my fucking self i guess i'm gonna have to put myself in it and write it myself and then

00:48:05.820 fight the whole time exactly like with rap shit i know that i didn't have to see it because she

00:48:10.320 was the ep and i was just one of the writers and actors but i know they were fighting because like

00:48:14.980 rap shit was even coded as a more it was deeper into black culture than insecure even was right

00:48:21.740 you know what i mean we were showing like a side of florida side of miami yeah the characters were

00:48:26.280 fully themselves they were not apologetic about their blackness yeah obviously that's the same

00:48:30.620 for insecure as well but you know it was focusing on rap and hip-hop yeah it wasn't it wasn't

00:48:36.020 necessarily about the bigger life things like work and friendship and things that could be

00:48:41.720 were like i know a lot of white women that watched insecure yeah i don't know any white women that

00:48:45.640 watched rap shit right right right yes exactly she was getting even more herself with the rap

00:48:51.440 shit i believe which is so fucking awesome i got chills again yeah that's so awesome women are

00:48:55.100 amazing yes i agree and um so yeah back to the show i did the show i had to drive to like newport

00:49:01.460 beach i didn't know anything about golf i was my character doesn't know anything about golf so it

00:49:06.520 was a good setup and yeah it's so fucking amazing it's netflix incredible i'm and again what an

00:49:14.540 all-star lineup but i i think that they have wonderful taste obviously having you there um

00:49:20.400 but i may i i do rings up just for a minute but i do think it's a beautiful thing um you

00:49:29.820 recognizing the importance of things like rap shit for example because i feel like

00:49:33.800 with me too like writing and that's why i was going to ask you a question about it because

00:49:38.360 i am venturing into writing yes and it's very very new for me i know and i'm like it's very

00:49:43.960 new for me i did try stand-up um because caleb was like you have to try you have to try like

00:49:48.820 and i did try it and i think it's great i think i'd rather consume it than do it uh me personally

00:49:55.040 but i think it's because i have so many other things that i'm going on right that i have going

00:49:59.260 on right now but I really love the idea of writing comedy and I want to write yeah I want to write

00:50:03.820 jokes and I want to make people laugh and I uh have just recently started writing so I'm in me

00:50:09.640 and actually Amanda are working on something together Amanda reveal yourself Amanda's my

00:50:14.020 producer right there that's amazing she's helping uh we're writing a pilot together so I'd love

00:50:18.700 goosebumps now I just like I love when people write because it's just like every so I have a

00:50:24.820 friend who started writing as well too and she's a producer and she worked for uh shout out saba i

00:50:29.440 love you she uh started writing and she kept saying like i'm nervous i don't want to do this

00:50:34.480 and then i read her script and it was so funny i'm like think about all these women who are holding

00:50:39.220 the coolest most nuanced funniest stories yeah but they're stopping themselves and i was like

00:50:45.020 you know everyone's a writer saba like everyone is a writer she's like that's like saying everyone's

00:50:49.560 a dentist so no it's not no no because one requires specialized training yes but you know

00:50:57.840 people will create things to stop themselves from being themselves yeah like narratives yeah

00:51:02.980 truly and so when I told you I read her writing it was so good and it's like like right like look

00:51:08.860 inward it's okay yeah it's okay I know it's so hard but I really support everybody journaling

00:51:15.680 cool that's i think everyone if you can do that do that but the specific act of like painting

00:51:21.660 yes words and ideas yes jokes are so fun it's like timing and tension i was gonna ask like i i

00:51:29.380 would love some advice or i guess just generally about comedy writing specifically like i'm just

00:51:37.740 curious like especially writing like as a person of color because i'm literally all the roles that

00:51:43.460 I've written like we've written together so far like the people we've written I'm like

00:51:46.820 I'm first of all casting myself obviously obviously I'm first on the call sheet obviously

00:51:51.640 Dakota Johnson please I need you to play me that's what I was like unless unless Jason Momoa

00:51:57.680 is available obviously no one else is built like me so like clearly that's not gonna work

00:52:01.120 but I'm just curious if you have any like advice in terms of like I guess just like direction like

00:52:07.020 when you because we have like the inception of the idea like we have we know where it's at where

00:52:10.940 it takes place that that general thing but I'm really I am nervous like what your friend was

00:52:15.580 saying I am really nervous about writing like actual jokes into script and like yeah because

00:52:20.540 I have so many jokes in my head but like I'm just curious like how do you work on building confidence

00:52:26.780 I guess in in that kind of writing because I have so much confidence in many other things but this

00:52:30.940 is I think I I feel confident about it but I feel nervous because I have so much respect for it and

00:52:35.300 I want people to obviously enjoy it and laugh at it that's good yeah like you respect something

00:52:40.060 that means you're gonna treat it with love and you're not gonna like that's true that's a good

00:52:43.360 out yeah i think i that's that's if you ask me about the having qualms with people in comedy

00:52:48.560 like yeah when i see that they're pimping it out yeah they want something from it yes exactly that's

00:52:53.840 when i get protective of it right and i think it's good that you're protective it means that

00:52:57.780 you care yeah and yeah i think that this question is probably better suited for quinta

00:53:04.180 or like somebody who's written something oh girl what are you talking about you've been writing

00:53:10.100 you're right you're right yeah a lot of shows yeah that's very true that's why i'm so curious

00:53:14.680 just and especially you not being a white woman yeah means a lot to me

00:53:18.320 i'm assuming because we were talking about no white woman having watched your show that's

00:53:24.020 and i'm assuming if you were white you would tell me i'm back but i'm back into an african corner

00:53:29.560 but I guess like that's that's kind of my thing because you know that's like that is one of those

00:53:34.280 invisible barriers that works against us a lot of times especially depending on the the setting of

00:53:39.180 your show and like where it's at and especially if you're in it I'm just curious like have you

00:53:43.200 have you ever felt like you needed to curb that at all like your voice in that regard um well

00:53:48.500 nobody's gonna write what you and Amanda are gonna write so you guys have to get more specific

00:53:53.400 that's true you have to get more specific that's what's gonna make it alive like that's such a

00:53:57.740 good point you never wanted to hang out with somebody who's like hey how are you how's your

00:54:02.160 day i'm going to the mall they have great ac there yeah like you want somebody who's gonna tell you

00:54:07.520 like oh i put my hand in the dyson airplane and i got i got horny about it like why is my flesh

00:54:15.200 moving like that you know you want somebody to tell you something super specific that's true

00:54:20.020 and then through that is the emotion of like yeah it's weird to be horny at the mall yeah

00:54:25.160 that's the emotion okay that's such a good point because i be yourself my my kind of comedy to like

00:54:31.400 how i like to be funny is is getting extremely specific so i actually really do love that that

00:54:37.400 tip because that will help me because i've written a book and i'm writing i'm currently writing

00:54:41.820 yes i have your book no way i have your book oh my god period new york times bestseller no way

00:54:47.780 yeah what the fuck go ahead and jot that down yeah that's that's yeah go ahead so i'm starting

00:54:55.240 to write a fiction book and i'm like so that's why i think even when i started working on this

00:54:59.360 show with amanda and my sister um i was like telling my fiance i was like i'm kind of nervous

00:55:04.580 like and he was like well you've already written i'm like i know but this is like for tv and it

00:55:08.840 just feels like a different animal entirely i have a really undercooked theory that i'm about

00:55:12.920 to embarrass myself and say but like it's the psychology like yeah i always imagine that there's

00:55:18.220 a triangle right and you're like unfortunately in america the upside down triangle yeah yeah the top

00:55:25.940 layer of the triangle is going to be like white people and their humor middle class yeah humor

00:55:30.760 and it's very eurocentric yes very and you might not really fit in there and you're going to keep

00:55:36.220 going down it doesn't mean down like in your inferior but yeah it's smaller and either way

00:55:42.880 if you're standing right here where drew is standing where i'm standing where quinta's

00:55:46.280 standing whatever right and you look down to who's gonna watch your stuff yeah there's still

00:55:51.420 a point at the end of that triangle which means there's one person there that's such a good point

00:55:56.440 i don't know i got chills again hi i was high and it made sense at the time it's like it makes

00:56:02.360 sense now and i'm not high okay good yeah well that's what i'm saying right my back yeah i say

00:56:06.960 i was like what do you mean ask quinta i got a great one from you that's a great no that's a

00:56:12.140 really great way of looking at it because always one person if it makes amanda laugh if it makes

00:56:15.680 you laugh that means that it's gonna make girls like you guys laugh and that's the point of

00:56:19.460 writing that's you're trying to find your people yeah and voice like you were talking about earlier

00:56:24.280 that's all you have to do if she laughs if you laugh it's funny and we have been laughing

00:56:30.640 and I'm sure you do this too

00:56:32.240 because like sometimes

00:56:33.180 I'll like

00:56:34.580 even like

00:56:35.540 I did an episode earlier

00:56:36.520 with someone

00:56:37.080 and he repeated a joke

00:56:39.220 back to me

00:56:40.000 that I've said

00:56:40.900 and I was

00:56:41.960 laughing my ass off

00:56:44.020 like I didn't say it

00:56:44.960 like he was like

00:56:45.920 me laughing at my own joke

00:56:46.880 my bad sorry

00:56:47.540 what were you saying?

00:56:48.720 so you're right

00:56:49.740 I need to remember that

00:56:50.860 because

00:56:51.260 oh my god

00:56:51.720 we have the same type of psychosis

00:56:53.140 we do

00:56:54.600 because like

00:56:55.500 I know it's arrogant

00:56:57.560 sometimes

00:56:58.500 to be like

00:56:59.340 my joke

00:57:00.060 i love my joke i was so brilliant but it feels like a different it feels like a different me

00:57:04.700 right now i'm this me right laughing at that me yeah and i want to fuck that yeah

00:57:09.640 and guess what i want to tongue kiss that version of me

00:57:15.640 yeah because they were so good about that yeah i want to bring fingering back because of her

00:57:20.700 like that's that it's it's good they hate when a bad bitch love herself listen i just love myself

00:57:27.280 and finds and finds myself hilarious like that's of course i'm gonna laugh i talk to myself all

00:57:33.180 day yeah i think i'm ridiculous okay this is another thing i realized recently you know people

00:57:37.600 are that old adage like i'm gonna sound like an old prophet you know the one that's like um comedy

00:57:42.780 no tragedy plus time equals comedy yes the people that i love and spend the most time with that time

00:57:49.880 is so small they're like they like broke their leg and they're like this is fucking crazy i can't

00:57:56.640 walk like right right that the people and those are comedians to me yes i agree they they understand

00:58:02.280 the world as a funny thing and that makes them feel better yeah i agree and i obviously have that

00:58:06.860 yeah thank you i know i think and you do too obviously that's why we have the same psychosis

00:58:11.160 like you were just saying which i agree with and i think that's like the beauty and people like

00:58:16.080 yourself uh being on huge shows with huge names like that because i feel like it's important to

00:58:23.000 see a different kind of perspective that way and one that's not like punching down and one that's

00:58:28.680 not like dragging others in order to like lift yourself up it's like it's one of those where it

00:58:34.940 turns into like a purely just different perspective like I think that's what makes it so funny like

00:58:41.080 when people are able to look at stuff and it's kind of like what they again speaking of old

00:58:44.200 adages like when they say you can quite literally say anything because a lot of like newer comics

00:58:49.720 are like oh you can't say anything nowadays because everyone will get offended okay so you're

00:58:53.720 just not funny exactly so if you don't have the juice to do it just fucking say that but also it's

00:58:58.300 like you that's not true you could talk about or joke about anything but if you do it in a way

00:59:02.500 that's smart and funny then people will be receptive to it yeah and it's like broaching

00:59:08.200 that little like divide yeah that is almost impossible for especially white guys like they

00:59:13.320 like and even sometimes when i fucked up white guys before like comedians before um online i've

00:59:18.620 said like do you really think that like marginalized people have never heard a fucked up racist joke

00:59:24.400 of course like you think i've never heard a joke about women i've never heard a joke about race

00:59:29.740 like of course i have if i didn't laugh it's because it wasn't funny yeah it just wasn't

00:59:33.540 well written it wasn't good yeah like you need to workshop yeah you should probably work a couple

00:59:39.300 more fives with that set yeah like and that's why that was gonna be my next question for you

00:59:43.400 because this is my favorite question to ask especially women in comedy if you've ever been

00:59:47.500 given notes after a set from a guy who thought he could do it better oh you know because i think

00:59:54.340 we're in the post me too era it's different it's like oh it's approached differently now yeah it's

01:00:00.740 like it's honestly so beta and like just bring back that old harassment right yeah it's like

01:00:07.640 psychological that's what i call madman misogyny yes yeah we gotta bring that stuff back like

01:00:12.800 spank me on my ass like you're just bringing yeah you gotta hire me off my breast size like let's

01:00:18.940 bring that shit back call me toots like where's toots bring toots back smile where is that like

01:00:26.180 nobody tells you to smile anymore which is fine I mean I don't want to but like the way it'll

01:00:31.020 happen for me now is all I will kill right right obviously oh yeah sometimes I don't I can't lie

01:00:37.520 you sometimes it's enough of that okay yeah i know you're killing every time no i just did a

01:00:43.840 show yesterday where i was like god i gotta stop talking about this it's not funny

01:00:47.860 i've got to find what's funny about right um a guy pulled me aside after a show and i'd done

01:00:54.200 really well and it was a big show too it was at the comedy no was that it was at one of these

01:01:00.240 spots yeah and i had performed to like a slew of mexican men and their girlfriends that they

01:01:05.020 have drugged to this freddie gibbs comedy show and afterward i got off stage and i was probably

01:01:11.260 one of the only women like young women and the guy pulled me aside i was with my husband at the

01:01:16.520 time he pulled me aside and he's like that bit that you do about um uh apps and like dick size

01:01:25.180 and pussy depth that's my yeah i can't i have to stand on that that's one of my jokes

01:01:31.020 it's called meat match it's something i've done it only one time yeah he's like yeah that would

01:01:37.820 be funny except for like most men do have big dicks like it was just drew it was and i'm like

01:01:45.700 you're talking about yourself oh my god it's mr penis size himself yeah he went and watched your

01:01:49.920 set what are the odds the hell honor of greatness oh my god emperor penis i'm so happy you made it

01:01:56.760 to the show thank god you took a thank you thank you what an insane yeah it was psychological it

01:02:01.840 was like i want to talk about your joke about sex to invite sex into our conversation yeah

01:02:07.980 yeah so i feel like it it's stuff like that that i get in the in the world god what's worse i don't

01:02:15.100 even know yeah i don't know if note like notes on my tags is worse or that's worse like this is

01:02:20.760 like you have weird dreams about it yeah you start to see his face in toast yeah

01:02:25.280 yo what the hell why are you haunting me yeah i don't oh my god that's so

01:02:31.260 ooky spooky scary like men are weird and now that we especially comics oh my god

01:02:36.420 they can be fucking weirdos yeah if you're a female comic hot slay so sexy and unique

01:02:45.000 yeah like you were thinking you're an anthropological artist observer yes if you're a man you're a

01:02:51.340 pervert get off stage stop oh my god put that mic down why are you holding the mic enough go to war

01:02:58.380 seriously you need to go to war usps yeah people girl get a job yeah when men say they're in comedy

01:03:04.260 and if you're not renowned i'm like oh so you're unemployed yeah you don't have a job you're

01:03:08.480 practically a magician at this point you're a word magician yeah cool okay weird uh weird but

01:03:18.740 perfect transition i do have some fun facts about you oh um okay you'll tell me if they're fun you'll

01:03:24.100 let me know um but this first one says that in 2017 you watched a solar eclipse with bill nye

01:03:30.260 the science guy yes that's fucking i did another hot man a man with a job ridiculously sexy

01:03:37.980 employed man yeah so that's fucking crazy again this is a midwest lore like for some reason in

01:03:44.460 the in 2017 the the solar eclipse the best place to see it was a couple miles from my hometown

01:03:50.880 what the hell so bill nye hosted like a massive science convention that is so sick and he was on

01:03:56.560 a huge stage he looked like joel austin it was fucking like mega church level like tony robbins

01:04:02.540 yes it was so hot and we wore a lab coat it was open it was a hot summer day me and my friends

01:04:10.340 drove like 50 miles to go see that's crazy i would have done the same thing yes we had on the glasses

01:04:16.680 he was like look up look to the sky and i just felt like a child again like yeah my bill and i

01:04:23.080 taught me like how water works for real he taught me like magnets like i think he he was my dad yeah

01:04:30.080 He was like literally my dad.

01:04:31.780 Bill Nye was my dad.

01:04:32.680 That was my fucking dad, dude.

01:04:34.400 That's daddy and that's dad.

01:04:36.820 And not many men can be both.

01:04:38.200 No, it's very rare.

01:04:39.280 It's very rare, especially for white men.

01:04:41.020 That is so cool.

01:04:41.980 What a bucket list thing.

01:04:43.140 That would be my fun fact for the rest of my life.

01:04:45.560 It's crazy if that's on your bucket list

01:04:47.340 and you didn't even know it was happening.

01:04:49.580 Well, one day I'll watch the solar eclipse with Bill Nye.

01:04:54.260 And then I won't die until that happens.

01:04:56.480 I can't die until it happens, obviously.

01:04:58.800 that's so fucking cool okay next fun fact um you first discovered stand-up while working at a bar

01:05:04.980 in lincoln nebraska that had stand-up night which we knew that's true and then uh this one says

01:05:09.980 growing up you played the cello in the school orchestra and you played drums and band for a

01:05:15.260 semester play is such a generous word to give me because i did i i held those things in my hands

01:05:22.220 and i did i did i did but like i also told you i had adhd so if somebody just flashed a new thing

01:05:30.200 in front of my face i was like i could do that yeah well and now i'm well now i've conquered

01:05:34.080 this now i'm on to now it's time to get mediocre at another so i did play those things but i played

01:05:40.120 them all really poorly i was a band girl too growing up but i was uh i played the flute

01:05:45.440 hot yeah i played the flute it's a woodwind girl so wow i don't know that's shrill yeah

01:05:51.280 flute girls yeah girls always like in my in my school at least my best friend was like

01:05:57.520 flute what's it number one yeah like chair number one or whatever yeah and she was just so meticulous

01:06:04.240 and had pretty little fingers yeah you know your best friend when you're a kid like you love her

01:06:08.480 you fucking hate her yeah exactly i hate you i want to be you i either want to fuck you or i will

01:06:15.100 unpack that later yeah that's for later that's for 24 right but right now that she was yeah she

01:06:20.940 was great the flute girls are yeah i think so i even even so though i i will say yeah i was like

01:06:27.200 yeah i was one of those bad bitch flute girls but i will say though i did stop playing the flute

01:06:31.840 after um i want to say elementary school yeah because into middle school i like made honor band

01:06:38.560 which is very cool i actually just told this story at my bachelorette party because i we were having

01:06:44.080 dinner and I was like what's the most embarrassing thing that's happened to everyone I'll start

01:06:48.620 oh you're one of those yeah yeah I'm one of those people I'm like I'm trying to I'm trying to

01:06:53.520 stimulate conversation yeah or or doing like would you rathers like those are so fun yes and so I was

01:06:59.040 like telling this story there but I basically I made honor band but um you get called like my

01:07:04.080 teacher would call us up to come to the front and accept the award which is just a medal and then

01:07:08.080 that's how you know you made honor band uh for context I had to wear white top black bottoms I

01:07:12.940 wore these like black velvet pants that like flare flared out obviously and so my mom was like

01:07:18.020 those are a little too long for you they're too big and I was like you don't know anything and

01:07:21.760 the drip needs to be good tonight because I'm gonna make honor band so I insisted on wearing

01:07:26.280 them I rolled them like a thousand times but they were still very long so anyways I my name gets

01:07:30.920 called I'm fired up I'm like oh my god and I was first because I my last name yeah so I had to walk

01:07:36.920 all the way to the front of the stage and walk across so he puts the metal on me I get it take

01:07:41.440 my picture turn around start walking back as i start walking back and i'm about to turn the

01:07:45.560 corner my foot gets caught inside my pant leg pulls my pants to my ankles no to my ankles bitch

01:07:53.120 no i i literally hog tie myself like together feet together fall flat on my face and because

01:08:01.040 it's floor mics because it's orchestra sounds like thor landed outside and it like echoes all

01:08:07.420 the way to the back of the room my butts up my hanes target underwear out okay pants around my

01:08:13.520 ankles i literally inchworm flat like pull up my pants get on my hands and knees crawl back to my

01:08:21.640 seat don't know why i chose that option i think i was just so humiliated i had no way i remember

01:08:27.420 what shoes i was wearing i remember what my hair was because i was so traumatized i crawl back to

01:08:33.660 my seat and you just hear my knees the whole way back there get in my chair and then the guy i

01:08:40.760 remember the kid next to me his name was william he's like a nerdy little white kid with glasses

01:08:44.600 i sit there i i sit in my chair i turn and look at him he's looking at me like this

01:08:49.480 and then i go and i look at him and i don't even know what to say so then i'm like what

01:08:55.060 that's like the first thing i said now you're mad at him yeah no no i'm gaslighting him i'm

01:09:01.700 Like, what, did something of note happen?

01:09:04.240 This is weird.

01:09:05.120 You're being weird.

01:09:06.160 The hell are you looking at?

01:09:07.360 And that is funny because I bet now in your healthy adult phase,

01:09:10.500 you're like, so that's the day that people found out how fat my ass is.

01:09:13.580 Yeah.

01:09:14.800 It's still a beautiful moment.

01:09:16.500 Yeah, it's a beautiful thing.

01:09:17.440 Either way, and I remember, I don't remember a fucking second after that

01:09:21.360 because I remember sweating through my white button down

01:09:23.900 because I was so embarrassed.

01:09:24.860 Yeah, poor memory.

01:09:25.520 And then I walk outside, concert's over,

01:09:28.380 everyone's kind of looking at me and going, right?

01:09:30.700 and then i go finally find my parents i'm like walking up to them i obviously clearly don't

01:09:35.540 really want to talk about it because i'm humiliated and i've processed at least some of it

01:09:38.720 and then when i walk up to them my mom goes told you they were too big yes as a mom the part like

01:09:45.240 while you're telling that story the thing i was thinking about now as a mom is the deep satisfaction

01:09:49.220 like listen she felt she's like at least she got on her band i don't hey she's fine she learned to

01:09:55.880 listen to me yeah and and honestly i was like right when she said that i was like i mean you

01:10:01.660 got me yeah what can i say i'm on the ropes yeah what can i say i showed my i showed hole to the

01:10:06.200 whole school so obviously the pants are too big mom thank you yes you win okay no but listening

01:10:11.940 to your mom when you're a kid is so lame it's so uncool and i that's why i was like to be fair she

01:10:17.440 warned me several times and i wore i wore her shoes that night too were which were also a little

01:10:22.220 too big and that's why they got caught in my pants yeah too big for your britches yeah the

01:10:25.980 whole thing i was like you know and sometimes i feel like especially the way our mindset's been

01:10:30.140 working i needed things like that sometimes like king kong hitting those planes out of the sky

01:10:34.740 for sure i need i needed my ego to be swatted out like just in case otherwise i would have

01:10:40.280 turned out to be like fucking jake paul or something yeah trying to fight black men

01:10:44.860 older black men i'd be mr beast and i'd be making poor people eat each other yes you know what i

01:10:49.140 mean like if i now like i needed something bad to happen so that i can make sure i don't turn evil

01:10:56.100 yeah so because they knew where i was headed here that's good i'm trying to think if i have a i guess

01:11:00.460 it's a hero origin story right yeah hero villain anti-hero yes whichever one do you feel like okay

01:11:06.320 if you had to pick we're going back to writing character yes yes are you anti-hero hero or

01:11:10.660 villain i like an anti-hero because i like who are your favorite anti-heroes oh

01:11:15.780 i really like yeah yeah walter white's a great one i i think honestly

01:11:22.940 this thursday jemma you can do something i didn't know was possible

01:11:33.180 you can bring demons back from it further to the human world permanently evil found a way out

01:11:40.660 Insidious out of the further Thursday.

01:11:46.560 That's such a great question.

01:11:48.520 I like Wanda from WandaVision.

01:11:51.100 Wanda Maximoff.

01:11:51.880 She's from Marvel.

01:11:52.680 I didn't get to watch that.

01:11:53.480 That's Elizabeth Olsen.

01:11:54.400 I watched a little bit of it.

01:11:55.060 But she kind of like turns evil.

01:11:57.460 But the shit she's doing it like makes sense.

01:11:59.340 Like it's one of those where she was doing good for so long and then kind of went evil.

01:12:03.960 Okay.

01:12:04.460 But I feel like a lot of Game of Thrones characters too are also very anti-hero to me.

01:12:09.600 I'm like thinking like Jon Snow low-key yeah anti-hero low-key because he has to do terrible

01:12:15.660 things in order to continue to keep moving the way he is like yeah but then he ends up killing

01:12:20.020 Daenerys and I hated him at the end well we're also in an era we might be coming out of it now

01:12:24.680 but where anti-heroes were like the I think from like 20s I'm gonna say since Walter White yeah

01:12:31.560 till maybe around now anti-heroes are are first of all what's a here like a hero like Peter Pan

01:12:38.420 yeah like aladdin like who can relate do you know a man who's like aladdin i agree that's why i fuck

01:12:44.220 with anti-heroes because it's one of those where they're morally gray in a lot of ways like it

01:12:49.000 depends on who you ask like if whether or not they're evil because it's like to them their

01:12:54.500 actions are justified exactly to a certain extent so and i find that a lot more interesting yeah

01:12:59.240 they're they're human like i'm gonna go to classic mode is phoebe waller bridge's character fleabag

01:13:04.780 and it's a great one Amanda see that's a great one I know because when you find out the twist

01:13:11.720 at the like yeah like then you're kind of like evil bitch yeah and then you start looking at

01:13:16.520 the whole thing yeah way differently yeah but then like especially you know we all probably

01:13:21.780 at this point now 30 grief there's been a big grief like you lost a friend or a family member

01:13:26.960 and if you remember that time afterward you were living in such a weird limbo yeah you were kind

01:13:32.780 of doing anything at least in my experience I was like refusing to look at it yeah so I was just

01:13:38.600 like yeah I'll fuck that guy yeah I'll fuck his girlfriend too or yeah it's like a shark like

01:13:43.600 you're moving you're moving because otherwise you'll die you're a bad dude yeah bad person

01:13:47.440 yeah looking for you're looking for like stimulation yeah and so I related to her

01:13:53.580 like every scene in Fleabag I'm like damn it I've done that damn it and so I love anti-heroes now

01:13:59.040 i'm starting to shift toward people that are like they want to do good things maybe this is from

01:14:04.340 working with will too like i learned a lot about character development love he writes characters

01:14:10.000 that like are trying to do the best thing but their shitty traits are holding them back yeah

01:14:15.640 i love stuff like that they're earnest they're good people and like mike sure mike sure i should

01:14:21.820 i should know his name but it's again we pronounce white men his names right and that's and that is

01:14:26.420 are right yeah and that's literally in the constitution i'm allowed that yeah his name is

01:14:31.940 easy it's like sure it's like like it's an english word right so he like writes a lot of optimistic

01:14:37.540 characters and i like that now i didn't used to write like that yeah i wanted to write the deepest

01:14:43.040 darkest most fucked up girl in the world but now i'm now i'm starting to i'm starting to see the

01:14:49.840 joy in life so i think that that's oh that's beautiful yeah and i think that's that's a

01:14:53.960 beautiful way of looking at the evolution of your writing too and like even like as an artist like

01:14:58.420 an actor like the portrayal of characters and how you see them and understand them differently I

01:15:03.400 think that's a beautiful thing yeah and even like when I talked to Alana Glazer when she was on here

01:15:07.420 and we were talking about like how she you know did Broad City and everything and writing and she

01:15:12.180 was telling me that she recently had a baby got married yes and she told me that um she had took

01:15:17.000 a break right after she had her baby just to kind of like be present with her and her new life and

01:15:21.300 everything and she said I think it made me a better writer because it's like I see life so

01:15:25.980 differently now that I've had a child and now that I'm married and like she's like the way I

01:15:29.920 see and write now is like a lot different now like because I'm in a different phase of my life

01:15:33.780 and she was telling me this was like right around the time I took a break like I took a break for a

01:15:38.380 bit online because I was just getting really overwhelmed with everything and she was telling

01:15:42.160 me it's a good thing to do that even if you do it like you're in a new season of life and you do it

01:15:46.660 and she's like because then it refills your cup and your ability to write yeah like because you

01:15:50.660 can't pull from nothing yeah you have to observe new new shit exactly you have to see something

01:15:55.680 new about yourself about the external world like i think that's a beautiful thing that it's like

01:16:00.180 kind of evolving your writing in that way definitely giving it a new layer yeah i have

01:16:04.500 i have a heart now more optimism yeah optimism because the world has to be good because i have

01:16:10.820 a baby and she has to go into the world that makes you want to cry yeah like before i had a baby i

01:16:17.280 was so like oh this shit sucks this shit is ass like we're gonna die monsanto like anything like

01:16:23.620 i was so focused on negative things and i'm still focused on those things but now i end with optimism

01:16:30.120 because like i have to feed my daughter i can't be worried about gmos forever like i have to eat

01:16:35.840 a couple microplastics it's okay i'm gonna live right so yeah it's just it's changed my world

01:16:41.060 view it's changed how i see the world and like i said she's so cool and she deserves everything

01:16:46.320 and i'm just working so that she can have all those things and that's beautiful and i think

01:16:52.280 that your artistry and the way you've been depicting it even before you got this new

01:16:57.040 informed perspective was just as valid and important yeah because it's also a like universal

01:17:03.120 experience in a lot of ways like things you've written about and spoken to people can relate to

01:17:07.700 and connect to i was in right some could call it sex work you know like i was out in the streets i

01:17:14.000 was having a good time and so I was reporting live from that yeah which is all you can do people

01:17:19.600 worry so much about their voice and their brand and what they're gonna put out into you just have

01:17:24.460 to report live from where you're at right and that's being an artist yeah like more than anything

01:17:29.280 it's being able to feel it and like understand it and then put it into some sort of art form

01:17:34.480 which I think you're really good at and I think that's why you're continuing to see success and

01:17:40.140 continuing to do well and work with these amazing people but I think that's so cool about how you

01:17:45.580 were saying working with Will Ferrell has like helped character development in that kind of way

01:17:49.400 too because I also agree that those kinds of even like when you were talking about someone who has

01:17:54.060 all the best intentions but they have a lot of shitty traits yeah like I think about uh Michael

01:17:58.420 Scott in The Office which is another perfect example of like and that is like the best part

01:18:04.180 of that character is that like it's not really his detracting traits that are like a hallmark of him

01:18:10.740 they're just really annoying things about him but he has a good heart underneath it all i think we

01:18:15.700 like characters who are trying yeah like if i see there's effort being put in and that's real life

01:18:20.360 too like yeah you know we live in like a very cut off culture like yeah that bitch like i don't like

01:18:25.980 her totally how dare she tell me that i am late to dinner like yeah right exactly yeah so and then

01:18:32.740 and in people I just look for like who is trying to move with intention like who's trying to work

01:18:37.420 on it and that's the characters that I want to see in the world too like people who they're not just

01:18:43.740 sitting and how awful they are they might have to do some awful shit but it's all a type of survival

01:18:49.040 like it might not be physical needs but it's emotional needs and that's right and that's

01:18:53.920 another thing I'm learning with my kid is like we just do the shit that we need to do to get our

01:18:58.940 needs met yeah like we're just like she's not trying to be wicked she just wants me to pick

01:19:03.700 her up from the little jail that i have her in i need her to be in jail right now i'm making dinner

01:19:08.900 but so she's everybody's just trying to get their needs met and once i understood that it first of

01:19:14.820 all the cutoff shit stopped i was like grandma you're out of here before it was like i don't

01:19:20.600 care how long you've known me grandma yeah stop stop being so familiar and uh now now i give people

01:19:28.460 second chances well i think that's beautiful and i think that's a wonderful other than just like

01:19:34.000 understanding that it's like understanding like maybe that's where i was and not like holding

01:19:38.920 resentment towards your past self for it but you're like but i just don't want to be there

01:19:42.160 anymore i think that's a beautiful thing and i agree with you about the cutoff thing i think

01:19:45.580 that's also a generational thing yeah and i think it also is tied to brain rot in some way because

01:19:50.060 optimization exactly i was just and i was just talking about this in therapy yesterday yeah

01:19:54.200 because I was telling my therapist about love island if you can believe but I was I was only

01:20:00.980 telling her that sometimes when women are extremely extremely judgmental of other women

01:20:05.640 even if you're not counting it in that horrible horrifying context of love island but a lot of

01:20:10.760 times the first thought is like oh you're a bad person and I don't want to be connected to you

01:20:15.700 and I think I was like I understand that that can be very black and white for larger things like

01:20:22.100 bigotry but sometimes i was like i i extend this empathy especially towards women but i'm like

01:20:27.280 sometimes women are not the best versions of themselves and like if you're connected to them

01:20:32.100 yes part part of like unpacking your internalized misogyny first of all and then also being a good

01:20:39.220 friend and a sister to someone is loving them through these terrible phases like sometimes it

01:20:45.980 is so hard to love girls through these awful situations but like i'm like that is like the

01:20:52.540 true experience of sisterhood to me is like coming going through it and coming out the

01:20:57.220 other side of it i'm about to cry what's your sign i'm a virgo i'm a cancer i'm a cancer moon

01:21:01.700 there we go mommy's a virgo and it's very about to cry because you're you're you're speaking to

01:21:07.400 something that i think is like one of the ills of being a girl right now i agree it's so bad it is

01:21:14.380 so bad and it's like and it's judgmental and it's finite like so like quick like no you're done and

01:21:20.620 i don't ever want to talk to you and i had i got that bitch up out of here yeah literally all she

01:21:24.920 did was tell you about yourself right but we've created this thing and we could talk about this

01:21:29.020 for hours like i think it's a result of um the work the real work we had to do in the me too

01:21:34.540 movement yes and the real work we had to do with talking about police brutality yes and it just and

01:21:40.820 then also we live in a surveillance state so everything has led to us hype being hyper critical

01:21:47.600 of each other critical of one another i agree we need it for our own safety i agree i've said the

01:21:52.160 same thing yes see this is my plan yes literally i said the same thing and i was and if anything i

01:21:57.780 was saying like that is one of the hardest parts of unpacking your internalized misogyny is

01:22:01.940 understanding why sometimes women have to make certain choices because i can i'm only talking

01:22:07.480 about women in this very small context but like sometimes you have to understand the larger system

01:22:11.580 that is almost inherently forcing them to do this and you can love people from afar like even if it's

01:22:17.580 if it's pulling from you energetically or physically or literally you can love them from afar but like

01:22:22.540 I was like I can't imagine a world in which I don't love my my truest best friends like women

01:22:29.760 that I love and adore through everything like that includes shit things like sometimes your

01:22:34.720 friends are not going to show up a hundred percent and sometimes they're going to be going through

01:22:37.780 awful things and sometimes they're going to be dating awful people and i was like oh the things

01:22:41.740 i've loved my women through yes then you have to adhere to that too like right it's radical

01:22:47.040 acceptance of the people you love because on the flip side i don't want to just get on women for

01:22:51.180 being like you know cutting people out of their no no sometimes you need to do it for your nervous

01:22:55.860 system right this girl is doing too much right i want to be there for her but it doesn't make

01:23:00.080 sense for me right now exactly to keep this young woman in my life exactly and that's the nuance

01:23:04.760 for her yes and i want her to have a better life right to go do that in somewhere else france or

01:23:09.580 wherever you're at right now away from me yes yeah and that and that's like that's why holding

01:23:13.520 space for both yeah right and understanding when you cut people off or move them off to the side

01:23:19.260 until they can figure it out or you can love people through it like it's it's all it's all

01:23:23.760 very specific to your situation and i think that's why i'm like to judge so quickly and so finite

01:23:29.840 is such an online thing because it's like it's also you're talking about kids who went who lived

01:23:34.980 through covid and kids their social skills are are much lower and they don't have this like real

01:23:40.520 life experience like this real life experience of like sometimes people make mistakes and that is

01:23:46.780 what matters more is accountability and change moving forward yeah as opposed to you made one

01:23:52.500 mistake i know now you're a bad person and i never want to see you again that's it yeah and i was like

01:23:56.960 but then you have no community and that's why young people are like i don't have any friends

01:24:00.980 how do i date how do i do any of that and i was like unfortunately you have to make peace with

01:24:04.640 sometimes people are going to disappoint you sometimes your best friend's gonna scam you out

01:24:08.440 of two thousand dollars and go get a bbl and you're gonna have to forgive her and you're gonna

01:24:12.660 have to never get your money back and i guess i'm talking about one specific person and i love women

01:24:19.760 so much i thought she was calling me that would be crazy shit that would be happening with girls

01:24:25.080 but like this story was so one of my friends i started like a um she's no longer really a friend

01:24:32.500 but i still care about her she started i have some girls like that too i think we all do when

01:24:37.000 we're like i see that she was trying like i just said like you're trying to survive

01:24:40.120 go do that shit over there you're doing looney tunes shit over here like stop this right so

01:24:45.160 she started to go fund me and it said gender affirming surgery and this whole time i've

01:24:50.220 known her to be like a cis woman yeah with no desires to change herself right but look when

01:24:55.920 you see gender affirming surgery you like empty your pockets right especially if it's your friend

01:25:00.520 like i don't know what's going on with you but i love you and i want to support you

01:25:03.820 and then i donated some money and posted it for her and i think she got to her goal and then she

01:25:09.560 kind of dropped off the face of the planet and i did not hear from her for months and months

01:25:13.600 interesting and she called me one time and was like yeah you know i had this uterus thing i had

01:25:18.580 to go to uh had to go to a different country and get this done they only do this surgery there

01:25:24.120 and i said okay yeah and then i started to get suspicious because she was like at the beach when

01:25:29.880 she told me that like you're in the south of france like i'm counting and i'm like yeah and

01:25:36.480 um i this is a long way of saying i think she got a bbl

01:25:40.580 gender affirming which is low key she's low key she's hilarious because that's true that is gender

01:25:48.820 affirming care that is true you feel more like a woman this is the body you want that is really

01:25:53.500 fucked up but low-key funny i hate when people are accidentally funny when they're being fucked

01:25:57.560 up when you're manipulating when you're being fucked up and then you're kind of funny that's

01:26:01.140 annoying damn it yeah i was hurt because she i felt like she'd lied to me rightfully so like

01:26:07.720 this like manipulation no not at all so i had to cut her off and i would talk to my therapist at

01:26:13.040 the time because i was like what do we do when women wrong us but we don't want to make them

01:26:18.560 like pay for that yeah and she was like she was like forgive her and move forward and don't

01:26:24.440 incorporate her so deeply into your life because i yeah i i struggle with that i'll like yeah like

01:26:29.760 i just met you i want to like give you my social security number like it's like that and give me

01:26:34.180 your baby yeah you can have it i trust you we've been talking for 45 perfect yeah perfect yeah

01:26:39.960 you don't need to know anything else about me but you can give me your baby that's it

01:26:43.020 i mean she probably will be like mommy yeah that's because you're a cancer probably yeah i'm sure

01:26:49.020 you're you're very yeah and you're very emotionally connective like that's like naturally you're just

01:26:54.280 you want to connect and be connected and i think that's a beautiful thing yeah and i actually had

01:26:57.920 a very similar experience to not to the bbl but to like having to remove someone out of my life

01:27:02.880 that I didn't want to yeah but it just kind of forced my hand and it was like I truly believe

01:27:08.440 and I've said this to girls who have asked me before I'm like sometimes you have to wish them

01:27:11.760 well and my hope and prayer for you is that they come back like and they come back a better version

01:27:16.680 of themselves and you are a better version of yourself and you can be better friends and like

01:27:20.600 my my girlfriend that I had to kind of let go a few years ago she actually came back and she came

01:27:25.960 back better and and I'm better and older and we're older now we're in our 30s and like we're able to

01:27:30.780 reconnect in a different way and i i think that's a beautiful thing and i i really do think too

01:27:35.080 it's like the mark of sisterhood like it's having tiffs with your girlfriends your girlfriend's

01:27:40.180 annoying the shit out of you or your girlfriend's being absolutely batshit crazy yeah and then you

01:27:45.600 just got to be there like one time my friend was like ranting to me about something and she was

01:27:49.740 like giving me this whole dissertation and she was talking uninterrupted for like 40 minutes

01:27:54.900 and i was just listening and then she was like yeah and then she stopped and she goes do i sound

01:27:59.660 crazy and i was like i mean yes but i love you yeah i was like you do you do sound yeah a little

01:28:05.660 bit but like i love you and that's what you need like we're girls like i've one of my home girls

01:28:10.380 right now is going through a breakup god bless her it's really hard and like i'm hearing the

01:28:14.800 same story every single day every same emotion every single day but we're girls so that's what

01:28:20.460 we have to do like i'm gonna be there for you at every step yeah the military doesn't know anything

01:28:25.220 about that you ever been clocked in like i'm saying the military they they clock in and they

01:28:30.220 work for the government this is our version of military service is clocking in with our girls

01:28:35.000 who want to rehash the same shit over and over and over again till one of us dies yeah that is

01:28:41.840 service listen i'm sure i'm serving someone i'll tell you what you're serving god himself yeah

01:28:47.420 hello that's why i was like when i'm sitting here and i'm reopening it with you for the 37th time

01:28:51.600 and we're revisiting the same pockets and i'm going yeah so you know we already went over that

01:28:55.500 you're doing the same jokes same punchline same insults same beats yeah and then at the end i'm

01:29:00.200 like and when you're in the phase where you want to make fun of them you let me know yeah because

01:29:03.320 i got a gang of jokes that i can't tell you now because you're too sensitive you're so good i'd

01:29:06.800 be going way too i go way too hard i'm like and i never liked that nigga he was bald and his head

01:29:13.620 was so shiny i it's funny because me and caleb have been together receiving information from

01:29:20.200 our friends before about people yeah and it's funny because my sister is like your friend where

01:29:25.440 she's she's so sweet and so innocent and so it's our other girlfriends talking me and Caleb are

01:29:31.100 sitting together my sister is just like her and then we're listening and then we haven't said

01:29:36.140 anything none of it sounds good we haven't said anything and then at a certain point she said

01:29:41.040 something and I can't say it but it was just something so specific that we both were like

01:29:44.920 to each other and Caleb goes I haven't said anything I haven't said anything this whole

01:29:49.560 time and we were laughing and i go yeah okay but i have to jump in now i'm gonna have to say

01:29:53.560 something now like he sounds fucking awful and then i start we start kind of baby stepping into

01:29:58.560 that yeah and then my sister goes man thank god they're here because if i was just here i would

01:30:03.040 be like wow congrats well honestly the back that you have will listen to someone speak for 40

01:30:08.400 minutes you're a saint like you actually are i'm not doing that level i'm not nearly as mean as

01:30:13.040 people would assume no you're not mean at all you're an angel i'm like i like to get to the

01:30:17.200 solution way too fast that i hurt people's feelings like you've been talking for 25 seconds

01:30:21.360 let's wrap this up like what are you gonna do oh he sucks he should die yeah that's it period and

01:30:25.680 i don't want to hear anything less and that is like i'm trying to stop doing that i'm trying to

01:30:29.440 be able to like focus i have this new thing now where i repeat what people say in my head

01:30:33.920 so that i don't change the topic i'm like i'm like your big sister like i will change the topic

01:30:39.340 just to serve myself and my own agenda and i need to start working on that so i'm like repeating

01:30:45.800 what people say and i'm not trying to rush to the solution right because to me it's simple like

01:30:50.460 it's we shouldn't why are we investigating every nook and crane i feel the same way

01:30:55.580 that's why i really had to work on that that's what i'm saying i've really had to work on that

01:30:59.380 i've been very in fact like there have been times where me and caleb are in the same group chat

01:31:04.100 and then he'll text me separately and he goes hey are you vibing with this shit or what

01:31:08.800 because obviously he's very blunt and very direct and i was like you say something this time i'm

01:31:13.960 always the bad guy you fucking do it i'm gonna be the supportive girl yeah so you do it and so

01:31:19.720 sometimes he has to go in there and say something but i do think that is an exercise a muscle i've

01:31:25.380 had to exercise because i did the same thing like i'd be i'd listen and i'd be like right well

01:31:30.180 sounds like he hates you and he's not attracted to you yeah and that's an unfortunate truth and

01:31:35.220 you should be with someone who's attracted to you and he's not clearly yeah like and that is one of

01:31:38.780 those things where I feel like women need that kind of information but it's in my experience

01:31:45.120 it's downloaded and processed better when it's given in bite sizes yeah sometimes especially

01:31:50.500 when women are very they're in a space where they're really convicted about it like they're

01:31:54.020 like I know this is the one I know this person's the one you set up like an IV you have to do a

01:31:58.360 slow IV drip yeah like I can't you'll die yeah like I'm taking poison out of you I gotta do it

01:32:04.680 little by little you know what i mean yeah it's like when i'm quiet quitting work and i'm stealing

01:32:09.940 things just one little thing at a time paper clip on monday you know it's on tuesday taking an office

01:32:16.660 chair next week and i always tell my friends i'm like and when you're in that phase where you're

01:32:21.240 ready to light that bitch up let's that's my favorite part of the breakup i have a cannonball

01:32:27.580 my favorite and i was like oh my god i have been lighting up a group chat without you in it up with

01:32:32.080 this joke and now i get to put this joke in your group chat and the group chat is called like this

01:32:38.900 nigga sucks and it's about how shitty your boyfriend is and we be going ham yeah and see

01:32:44.780 that's our way of processing yeah so we don't tell you whenever you're ready we'd love to include you

01:32:48.540 please um yeah i do have one last fun fact about you okay okay last one is that you were accepted

01:32:56.740 into law school but you deferred your admission for a year to pursue comedy and within that year

01:33:01.780 you realized you wanted to make comedy your career yes okay smarty pants no that's one of

01:33:07.620 those annoying stories that's like you know where people are like i gave myself a year and i said

01:33:13.000 if i don't make it then i would go back to the normal world well i'll tell you what getting

01:33:17.760 into law school is not easy yeah i wanted that's the only reason i went into philosophy with my

01:33:23.440 my waning australian accent i wanted to be a public defender and i was interning at the public

01:33:31.160 defender's office for like a year or so and it was chaotic and it was so incredible oh i love when

01:33:39.460 women are smart thank you i love it that gives me a huge boner wow yeah i love that's why i can't

01:33:45.440 put this leg down otherwise you'll see it and get uncomfortable i'm really happy you're hard

01:33:49.000 i think that's fucking incredible yeah i wanted to be a lawyer i still um i still my i married

01:33:56.640 into a lawyer family like my mother-in-law is one of the coolest she taught constitutional law

01:34:02.600 at ucla like she's a badass she's so she's so sweet it's got this lawyers are so cool to me

01:34:09.800 they also are so boring sometimes lawyers are super sweet they have big hearts but they're so

01:34:15.600 like focused on the rules and they care so much but it's very rigid how they care yeah that's true

01:34:21.180 yeah like lawyers are it's real like syllabus coded exactly they love a good syllabus a lawyer

01:34:27.640 yeah you're just saying shit you love the law so much that you that's why i don't want to do it

01:34:32.400 like i took that year off and i was like mommy please i just want to be i want to tell jokes and

01:34:37.200 she's an african woman so she was like you don't know like you get to you get a year yeah you try

01:34:42.900 it and in that time nothing happened except for i got on wild and out and that sounds like a huge

01:34:49.260 thing but i was kicked off wild and out so fast drew i'm so fuck fuck like i got on this show

01:34:58.320 and i was like this is it this is my moment yeah cat williams i used to i used to watch

01:35:03.520 wild and out all the time i loved wild and i love music so it was a perfect crossover

01:35:08.100 and i did well on the show i remember the thing that got me kicked off the show though i was

01:35:13.060 yes i remember the day we were in atlanta it was sticky as fuck i came inside and we we were all

01:35:19.780 supposed to do this like joke thing where you find someone in the audience and you uh compare them to

01:35:24.880 like a celebrity i don't remember the name yes yes so i found a woman who was sitting by a white

01:35:29.580 woman it was a black woman sitting by a white woman and i was like well listen up y'all i got

01:35:35.960 rachel dolezal and rachel dolezal and that didn't land nobody knew what the fuck i think it was like

01:35:45.940 it had been exactly it was so dated it was like a dated you think at the time nobody left

01:35:52.340 not a single person in the audience that's so funny listen okay and that's when i learned

01:35:58.200 there's different types of humor right and i i got kicked wrong room wrong room yeah wrong arena

01:36:05.120 it was like a huge massive theater it was the most embarrassing moment of my life oh my god

01:36:09.200 and i left going okay i'm not funny that's fine like i'm i'm too weird it's just like it filled

01:36:14.300 that story that i've always had like you're too weird go home yeah and i i cried in bed about

01:36:19.080 my manager called me i cried in bed for a little bit and then i went back to new york where i was

01:36:23.320 living and doing stand-up and there was a producer who works at irony point who shot out dan powell

01:36:28.840 because he's the coolest it's a white man whose name i'll say correctly yeah yeah yeah he he has

01:36:35.840 done inside amy schumer yes i think you should leave with tim robbins that's one of my favorite

01:36:40.920 sketch shows ever so he like he's really tapped into this sensibility yeah and especially i know

01:36:46.860 what you mean that weird like especially i think you should leave like that is so i'm sure i don't

01:36:51.880 know if you have this experience when i tell people i've ever watched i think you should leave

01:36:55.240 it's sometimes if they've even heard of it they're like yeah because it's a very specific

01:37:02.140 kind of humor that i find it hilarious it's a good litmus test for am i gonna be friends with

01:37:07.940 you i agree like i'll play it i i used to also play detroiters it's all tim robinson oh yeah

01:37:13.480 have you watched the chair company yeah i watched the beginning yeah i only i only watched the

01:37:20.020 first episode i haven't stopped i haven't finished it yeah it's one of those i'm like i don't know

01:37:22.740 why i stopped it's tim like yeah i would i would die for him i gotta stop i feel the same way about

01:37:29.100 him you know what i mean yes of course i do and um let's take the rings off let's just let our

01:37:33.960 finger get some air yeah yeah um yeah he so you met dan powell met dan powell well i i had i had

01:37:40.660 spoken to him when i was in new york and he was like look i got a new show on netflix it's called

01:37:43.900 astronomy club i know you said you wanted to be a writer why don't you come and audit the room

01:37:48.700 which is which is the coolest thing anyone ever like i sat in there and it was really cool a

01:37:56.700 sketch comedy show a bunch of nerdy black people who were like flipping shakespeare but also

01:38:01.720 writing about ludicrous and like just so cool full people yeah totally not kind of shaming me

01:38:09.700 for not knowing something or for knowing something yes i know what you mean no shade to wild and out

01:38:14.200 but it's a specific type of humor yeah and it's a specific room like we were saying room and you

01:38:18.640 needed a different room like that one that you could reach i i've joked about this with my friend

01:38:23.260 too who does like she's really comedy facing where i've told her like sometimes i think there's this

01:38:29.340 thing where like your interest could cover theirs but theirs can't cover yours so sometimes you'll

01:38:34.980 make jokes that maybe they're not understanding or really vibing with and it's just because their

01:38:39.920 interest can't cover yours like yes like i can joke with you about that stuff the stuff that you

01:38:44.220 find hilarious i i can laugh with you about it i can relate to it but sometimes like i for example

01:38:50.580 like i've made like a river sticks joke before and it doesn't always hit like and it's because

01:38:55.420 sometimes people don't understand what that is yeah or what that is in reference to so i know

01:39:00.560 what you mean you're like kind of like it does make you second guess sometimes especially when

01:39:04.540 you're not a white woman yeah it's like hard because you're like well then where the hell

01:39:09.100 who the hell am i gonna make laugh yeah you know what i mean and the triangle that's when the

01:39:13.260 triangle exactly and i'm gonna and i honestly i'm going to hold on to that triangle like metaphor

01:39:21.180 as i continue with this show that i'm working on there's always someone you can make laugh

01:39:25.700 somebody knows who the rivers what the river sticks i don't know what it is um i think it's

01:39:31.620 or something that is true yes it's in hell yes um yeah somebody will always get you i i used to let

01:39:40.840 people's reaction decide whether i was going to keep doing that joke and now i don't so it's such

01:39:46.540 a good point you know what i mean like stand up is uh stand up you should be having a conversation

01:39:51.680 with the people in the room yeah and i love that part of it because i get i just talk to people

01:39:56.240 yeah i love really hyper polished performers and i think that's so brilliant and i try to do that

01:40:01.880 but most of the time i just like to talk to people yeah and um yeah so somebody will laugh

01:40:07.880 you if you're making a you start to study humor a little bit you're making a really in

01:40:12.540 like esoteric river sticks mystical reference yeah like it's gonna be hard for people yeah

01:40:20.180 it's a little niche yeah don't read no more you know yeah yeah that's like i don't know what

01:40:24.880 you're talking about exactly so so but it's yeah like i've you you learn about yourself then that's

01:40:31.580 your voice yeah and i and honestly i first of all i think we've fallen in love you and i i think so

01:40:37.940 i think so too i think you and i are gonna have to take our relationship to the next level

01:40:41.200 that is my feeling after this but i do want to say just to kind of wrap us i think you are

01:40:46.960 incredible and i'm really glad that i got to have this talk with you for many reasons but the main

01:40:51.780 one being like it is really cool to talk to someone who has had a lot of experience not just

01:40:57.240 in writing but also in acting and just kind of the way you see humor and you see character

01:41:01.240 development and you see that kind of like I guess like how that unfolds when you're creating

01:41:05.780 something because I've been very nervous about making the show like especially writing it for

01:41:10.580 tv like I've been so nervous about it like I'm and I'm never really nervous about stuff like that

01:41:15.700 typically because I'm like you said you write for your own humor and that is kind of how I've

01:41:19.880 done everything i've done um like i'm like well i thought it was hilarious so i'm gonna do it that

01:41:24.260 way but for some reason i think i was like even without consciously thinking it i feel like i

01:41:29.220 was thinking well everyone has to find it funny like how do i write it in a way that everyone

01:41:32.460 finds it funny but i really think it's fate that i'm talking to you today i'm gonna be so honest

01:41:37.480 with you like you can now you have my number you can call me i love to give notes because i know

01:41:42.860 that it's so hard to find somebody who wants to give good notes yeah and like in a helpful way

01:41:48.320 not in a way because sometimes you know this too i'm sure in this industry too like sometimes if

01:41:53.060 you send it to someone like i don't know if you're like giving me good notes or these notes because

01:41:57.440 you don't want it to do well or are you about to nab my storyline exactly like that's my shit

01:42:02.320 exactly yeah that's why i'm like careful caleb's like one of the few people i trust to read stuff

01:42:06.560 like that and not do something like that to me but it's really hard and now i have you well which

01:42:10.640 is even better and that's another thing i was gonna say is like you're not a white woman so

01:42:14.960 that's the kind of perspective i need like allegedly allegedly we haven't fact checked

01:42:19.100 that wasn't a fun fact i unzip i'm and you're rachel dolazal oh my god let me find out that'd

01:42:26.000 be crazy but i i would love to get your feedback and stuff i i think i just think you're so

01:42:31.240 important and i think and i'm really grateful that you're continuing to uh elevate and continuing to

01:42:36.880 write and contribute like i think voices like yours are so important and they they give me

01:42:41.260 courage to keep going and put mine on tv i already love you i love you i've been watching

01:42:47.020 your podcast for a long time now i never imagined i'd get to sit right here in the yellow chair

01:42:51.060 yes and impart wisdom on me yeah it's beautiful and learn a lot likewise thank you so much for

01:42:56.640 coming on the show i fucking love you you're the best and it was so nice to meet you if you guys

01:43:01.140 couldn't tell we did just meet yeah even though you couldn't tell because we were so vibey even

01:43:05.080 though it's like we're the same person there's a line of symmetry right here literally folded hot

01:43:10.240 yeah we're split split in half you and i yeah but thank you all so much for tuning into this

01:43:15.120 episode of the comment section thank you so much to my amazing guest ida where can everybody find

01:43:19.380 you i am on instagram on shut up ida people have told me to stop limiting myself with that username

01:43:24.560 but i'm not gonna change it so uh it's already done yes like tiktok i don't post a lot instagram

01:43:31.020 i post a lot yes and also your show my show the hawk on netflix i was also on rap shit yes hb

01:43:39.740 max and guys be looking out for more stand-up because i need to focus on my craft now that

01:43:46.820 i'm done acting with will ferrell i guess i have to get back in the saddle that's how you know i'm

01:43:49.900 not on a tv show i'm like gotta focus on stand-up uh waiting for that series regular i feel you i

01:43:57.740 made that joke on here once where i was like well obviously i didn't get the part because i'm still

01:44:00.840 here doing this so obviously yeah i'm pretty free thank you so much for joining us love you you're

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The Comment Section with Drew Afualo - August 19, 2026

AIDA OSMAN CAN JUSTIFY ANYTHING (Ft. Aida Osman) ｜ Episode 235

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