WORKING MOMS PEEL GRAPES TOO Ft. Desi Perkins | Drew Afualo | THE COMMENT SECTION EP 82
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Summary
In this episode of the comment section, I am joined by the iconic, the legendary, and the only miss desi perkins aka the . Desi is a makeup artist, social media influencer, and social media queen. She has been in the game for a very long time and has been a part of the industry for the past decade and a half!
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wait till they ask for skinless grapes that's my son literally wants skinless grapes and i'm like
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how do you even peel a grape i was like that's that's a grandma thing she did this to you didn't
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she i know she's skinning your grapes and now i have to skin your grapes thanks a lot now i have
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to do hey everyone and welcome back to another episode of the comment section show starring me
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your fave even though you don't care about me anymore ever since we got such amazing wonderful
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guests the entire show thanks a lot anyways on to the wonderful amazing guests the iconic the
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legendary the one the only miss desi perkins hello wow what an intro i'm so i really liked that i
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need to come here every single time i need a little like i'll gas everyone ego boost everyone that
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comes here i'm a huge fucking fan that's that's the best i may not be a fan but i'm gonna be a fan
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today you wouldn't be able to tell desi i wouldn't i wasn't a fan you wouldn't be able to tell i'm just
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kidding i don't have anyone i hate on the show that's for sure that's good yeah i would be kind
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of entertaining it would yeah you know i've been i've been pitched that before but i always think
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like if you want to spout your rhetoric like get your own show that's i did that that's right
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highly recommend if you can do it do it and then if you do i'll be mean to you about it but miss desi
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i'm so happy to have you honored to have you in my presence i'm excited i'm glad our paths have crossed
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i know like i always watch your stuff and my husband's always like like he's kind of scared he's
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like what i'm like yeah listen your husband's one of the good ones yeah you know how i know
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when me and uh you met for the first time in person we met at the barbie premiere and when we were there
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you were like let's take a picture and i said oh period bitch and then your husband steven right yeah
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your husband holds up the phone this is not a joke he puts on the front facing camera has a light in
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his pocket turns it on and he holds it like this and then he's clicking it and we're just posing
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serving yes no honestly if he sees anyone taking a picture it doesn't even have to be me and they're
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like in bad lighting he'll just come up with the light and be like that's how i know that's how i
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know the vibes were very high he's a really good fan he is when he was doing that i was like
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watching it happen and then i told my man when i went and he goes i gotta step my game up i said no
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for real steven had a like he said you know what i mean listen though you have to give him some grace
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ear man's because we've been in this for like a decade that's social you know that is true it's
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it takes time there's a lot of training involved it does he does take all my pictures which we love
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yeah but i said but you don't got a light steven has a light and he put the front facing camera on
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that way i can see myself we gotta see we gotta make sure we look cute yeah it was good girl that's
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how i was like that's how i knew good man right there stamp of approval that was the reason i chose him
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to be my the father of my children there you go it was like that was what it that was he had a ring
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light you said put a baby in me that's the one for me no you've been in the game for a very long time
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yeah how's that have you seen it change oh girl it's like a whole different ball game now it's like i
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don't even know who i'm talking to right now who are these i don't even know it's like a whole
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different landscape it's been crazy because when i started it wasn't even a job yet now it's like
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people actively want to be like an influencer yeah they're like but back then school it was just
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like no it was just i wanted to get more clientele to do makeup like i didn't know that this was gonna
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happen did you start just in makeup too yeah i started in makeup are you self-taught are you
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self-taught love that self-taught i started doing makeup for tv for um like some celebrities and then i
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just was like wait i don't really love this actually it's kind of this is a lot and then i found youtube
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and i just threw myself into youtube because i loved it not not as a job though just like as a
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hobby yeah next thing you know it was like i got an email saying hey we would love to send you some
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stuff for free and i was like steven people want to send me stuff for free can you believe this like
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what that's like one of those moments where you're like damn i think this might be turning into right
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and yeah here we are it's kind of crazy that's so cool also i just want to say too when you
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announced your first pregnancy with ocean that i i went down a like huge rabbit hole because i hadn't
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watched your content in a minute because i went to college and then i stopped watching youtube for a
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while yeah which i was like bummed about but i saw yourself all over instagram and i was like no
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way that's so sweet so i went and i watched your whole journey and i cried i cried like i was the
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girl honestly i've re-watched it recently and i was like whoa that's crazy i was crying i was like i
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just want to hug that person yeah i was going through infertility struggles and it was just like
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seven years of trying to have babies yeah it was that's i think too like that was something i think
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that's one of those moments where i feel like when you have an audience
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it humanizes you to them like for a while they see you as like
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like this person that's it's not like a real person they're like oh she's like
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she's an influencer she's someone who doesn't like feel or have struggles or anything
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she has such a wonderful fortunate life which is also true but then at the same time that was
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something i think people started seeing you in a much different light like they were like i had no
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idea that you were going through those struggles like to that extent yeah because you didn't really
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share that was that like people were kind of shocked yeah it was but i was um
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it actually was a huge turning point for me in my career and actually any time that i have
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humanized myself it was like a huge turning point in my career really like in the beginning when
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youtube first started everybody was about being perfect and very put together and overproduced and
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like it's very different now yeah but it was like trying to be this perfect person and then when
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finally i like as i went on and started to get out of my shell i let go of that those perfectionist
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traits and i started showing real moments and that's when i realized that's what people want
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to connect with yeah is real moments and not the perfect picture yeah it's like the vulnerability
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is what people gravitate towards yeah because you you i think too like the era that you rose in youtube
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was like what you said like everything was like picture perfect like very like that's like life goals
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family goals marriage goals like that's what people it was like a curated picture whereas now i feel
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like like you said it's changed a lot it's like shifted where people want to see the ugly side of
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things too yeah they only like me when i'm ugly now they're not gonna like me here no they're like
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come on yeah they don't relate to that they want me to be like my postpartum hair is just like flying
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they want me to be titties swinging and banging with a big big t-shirt on and like stained they like
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that they're like that's the kind of that's the desi that's where they want me to be
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thank god because i'm i love to be there you're all thank god that was exhausting i am there six
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days out of the week and one day i will show up like this so it's also i think too like it's
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beautiful to see your family grow because now you're a mother of two i know how has that been
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it's such a journey i love i mean i we've steven and i think we're lucky because we both really
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wanted babies and we've been trying so hard so this happening for us has been like we enjoy it so
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much and i think this is what we've always wanted and it's crazy because somewhere along the way it's
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like my career my career my career and really like the ultimate dream for both of us was to start
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our family above our career so now since we're both on the same page it's just been amazing and we
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both always put like family first i love that i know i see your family you're so close to your
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family including like your mom and like i see your mom's in your stuff a lot yeah she lives down the
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street from you she lives that's all that was all a part of my plan you're just like me for real
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i said listen mom i look there's a house for you down the street yeah it's so great no we're all so
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close like i think i told my mom the other day i said i don't think it's normal for families to get
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together like my brothers me my mom my kids every single night for dinner like we get together
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i love that that's so i feel bad for my mom that's that's so me coded because i'm literally
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the same way with my mom and my sister my brother my dad like we all live like two minutes from each
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other like down the street like i moved from one house to another and i was like a lot closer to
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my mom than even though like when i was next to my sister we were like 10 minutes down the road
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but i moved so now i'm like 30 second drive from my mom's house and my sister's 10 minutes away and i
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remember being like oh my god like she's so far like she needs to move back and now she just she
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literally moves oh my god 10 minutes away literally i was like she's literally so far away
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like i can't leave her over there by herself it's just because we're all like so attached family
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oriented yeah yeah my mom i was like well you really thought you're gonna get rid of your kids
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after a certain age but we're all here psych right i know i need my mom so bad all the time for
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literally everything in life so grateful but i'm really glad i think that's that shows too i think
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through your content because it's very indicative that you're very family oriented i think that's why
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you've been around for so long to be honest because you get grounded keep stay grounded
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throughout it because it's like a really weird like once you get thrust into it and you rise really
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fast it is so strange like the things the axis you get like yeah the visibility you have it's just so
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different it happened i think now for anyone who rises now it's a lot different for them yeah i don't
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know you tell me because i feel like you rise really quickly and then it's just explosive i think when
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you get to that place yeah and for anyone who came up in like the youtube days it was like a slow
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and steady yeah and so i think over time you had enough time to build really close personal
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relationships with your audience and it just was years and years so i think like the audience is
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super loyal yeah because that's true it's you know it wasn't just like quick and it wasn't a lot of
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people either now it's like every day there's somebody that you love to watch you know so
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it's a lot different it's like uh it was much more rare back then and now it's much more common so it's
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much it's harder to stand out yeah when you're like exploding when everybody explodes it's like
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we're all exploding out here everyone's exploding everybody's doing it because of everyone's short
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form yeah short form content is it's a lot different but i think that's what i love about your
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content is that it's it's evolved over time but it's like the foundation has stayed the same
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which is why i think your audience is so loyal because they're like you're still the same
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person you were 10 years ago yeah and i think my audience too they're like oh we're moms now too
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yeah they grow with you yeah they're kind of growing with me they're like we love to see
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these phases because they're also going through it so yeah it's great when you had uh your second
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baby was there a big difference between ocean and harley no honestly some people say like two kids is
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like 30 or you know 100 or whatever but i feel like two is just it is definitely a little harder
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but not as hard as i thought it was going to be really so far are there are their personalities
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very different uh she's a little sassy yeah but they're both no i wouldn't i wouldn't say they're
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super different but she's definitely like you're not going to boss me around like ocean really tries
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it with her and she will not allow it she's like you're funny no she's like try again i may be smaller
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than you but i she will throw she will throw a punch and i was like you're like uh-oh it's even like
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that's your side of the family yeah probably ocean's face was like she he took a toy from
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her and she like slapped him and i was we all were shocked and he was like
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mommy hardly hit me and i was like well did you take a toy from her hand it's like she definitely
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shouldn't hit you but it's like i'm such a i'm such a mom now i have to mother them and like yeah
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both sides it's a whole different ball game you know it's so funny my brother when because my sister
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and i are two years apart in age but my brother is nine years younger than me so like my sister and
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i weren't planned my brother was so like my brother's like the baby and so he uh is is spoiled
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as per usual and he's the only boy yeah but when he was a baby and he was teething he went through
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like a real biting phase and so like my mom told this preschool she's like he's like super into biting
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like just fyi they're like okay and so they kind of had these problems and then one day she was like
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oh an incident happened like his teacher because i was with my mom when we picked him up and she's
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like yeah he bit someone today because she took something from him so he bit her and it hurt so
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she cried but then she slapped him across the face hard as hell never bit again see sometimes it works
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sometimes it works you know what i mean and i was like i stand with women so right i'm with her
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you're like you shouldn't have better that's what you get cause and effect yeah consequences
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so now that you're a working mom of two have you seen like has the perception changed at all of like
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how people perceive you now that you're a mom because you know there's like this online perception
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that like you can only be one girl you can't be hot and a mom you can't be working at a mom yeah
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you can't be a lot of things yeah when you're a mom yeah you can't be it's crazy how fast it switches
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up because yeah before i was a mom it was comments like oh poor guy give him a baby give that man a
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baby like everything was on me to give this man a baby little this is when nobody knew i was going
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through issues yeah but it's like they really hype you up to be a mom and then a lot of times when
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you become one it's like okay we're done with you and then you you post like you like a thirst trap
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and then they're like you're a mother you're yeah i'm like you're a mom so it's like okay and that
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did that stop me from being hot i didn't think so no i would like to be a milf
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and that's okay wouldn't everybody like hello yeah no it's it's definitely different it's funny
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because there's so many people will perceive you through their own personal you know it's a
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reflection of them yeah so it's crazy because on one half i will get people who are like wow you are
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an entrepreneur you're a mother you're a wife you're just doing it all like i'm so proud of you and
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they just hype me up and i'm like i love you guys yeah and then there's another set of people
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who will just be like uh you just like fell off even though i'm doing all of these things you know
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but it's just like you don't post content like you used to you're just a mom now like uh everything
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is so mommy and i'm like what did you want me to do hello did you not see my series where i tried
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to have babies for seven yes i'm going to be a mom now literally and all my content is going to be
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around moms or me yeah i did i did a podcast and like i went through the comments for like a sec
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and i saw one that said um oh my gosh well i forgot about her she's like i feel like she's
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gotten a little bit irrelevant she really needed this okay um she owns two businesses so like okay
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not including youtube no but it made me giggle a little bit because it showed me that some people
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that that just showed me that that person cares about fame they care about being in the spotlight
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and how that's what matters to them so they think that i hold value in that whereas i'm like the only
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people i would like to be relevant to is my family like literally i'm working and then when i'm done
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working i want to be relevant to them like period that's and i'm so happy here so i'm like you have
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different values than i do it's also someone it has to be someone younger like because yeah you're huge
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i'm like that's not a joke i'm not just gassing her like she she's like one of the most famous
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makeup youtubers from like back in the day not even that long ago like literally like seven years ago
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like huge huge huge no yeah but like i'm 27 gonna be 28 so i remember how big you were and how big you
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are now like i just remember your rise and then it's been steady ever since yeah i just post different
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content now like maybe i'm not so makeup based anymore but i but that's okay you know well also like
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you grow and you change yeah and like my values are different yeah and your interests change they
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grow they grow past what you initially blew up for it's kind of the same thing like it's like
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especially with social media because it's so fleeting if you don't evolve your content or like
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start doing new things or like reinventing yourself in different ways you will fade like yeah you will
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not no one wants to watch you do the same thing no and if i was creating content like i was before
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the same type of makeup content it wouldn't be doing as good right now like that was a different
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time yeah exactly so i always say like my whole life thing is i just want to be creating i don't
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need to be in the limelight to do that i just want to do it so for me it's like i like to create content
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that inspires me so i only do that now and i and i can do that because i'm also doing the businesses
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it's not that's why i said you also have two very successful businesses too she is a skincare line
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and a sunglasses line both of which are doing very well so that's why i'm like it depends on your lens
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of what you find to be successful but like it's also it's indicative like you said of what they
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perceive you to be as opposed to what your goals are yeah because i was like it always depends on what
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your goals are like what if your goal wasn't to be like the most famous actress in the world like
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it's like their one measure is like you're either beyonce or you're irrelevant right like there's
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many different levels of success like and relevancy it really just depends exactly there's people that
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are huge on tiktok that maybe i haven't come across and they're like millions and millions and
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millions and so it's just i've never heard of them so big well yeah there are people like that have
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like 25 million on tiktok and i've never heard of them personally and like i am on tiktok i i blew up
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on tiktok and i still don't know who they are so it's like it's very possible that's why i'm
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like for people like yourself who are still around like you remind me of like it's you like jackie
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aina like people that have been in the game for a long time and still have a very strong loyal
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audience yeah that's relevancy babe what do you mean irrelevant irrelevant where girl i don't know
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what your measure of irrelevancy is so many of my high school friends obsessed with you oh you were
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like their favorite makeup youtubers that's why i was like yeah she follows me period
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when i was like i love you i love your content so good so good okay so we're gonna talk about
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speaking of being like a mom or a hot person or a like a working mom like how they the world
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perceives working moms that's what we're talking about today our topic is uh being a bad bitch working
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mom period because it is possible to be both and how the world perceives women who work and are also
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mothers as opposed to like how they perceive men who are right because the the perception is very
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different like when you see men who are fathers and they're also content creators they're like oh
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goals goals goals like uh look at him cleaning the kitchen yeah look at him making lunch for his
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children uh love it the standards are so low for men it's crazy they're like look at him spending
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quality time with his child i know yeah by law probably and also like that's what he's supposed
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to do i know it's crazy it really is like i mean at one point are you like what do you want from us
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you know like exactly you don't want women to like just be stay-at-home moms because then we're just
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stay-at-home moms or we're mooching off of yeah our man's money yeah exactly okay or like but you
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don't want them to be working moms either because then they're not they're not good in the workplace
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anymore once you become a mom it's whatever you're just you know it's like i just feel like motherhood
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and being a woman is a lot of that absolutely yeah you don't you don't fit here but we also don't want
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you there we don't want you at restaurants we don't want you on planes we don't want you in the
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workplace we don't even think you're good enough to stay home i feel like that's lazy so like where
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where do you want us to go like where are we going what the fuck are we supposed to do where
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are we going well it's also like it's it's the same kind of weird perception of like
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if you post here like let's say you and steven go out on a date night or something or you go on a trip
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and you don't have the kids they're like where are your kids right where are the kids at i left
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them at home alone what the fuck do you think they are girl like they're being taken care of what
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are you talking about they also don't want you to have help so it's that too they're like oh are you
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just never going to spend time with your children right like i've seen videos where people get night
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nannies and things like that and the comments are very much like wow you can't take care of your own
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baby well but it's like when did you want like there's other parts of the world it's our society
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because there's other parts of the world that really really cater to thrive off and children
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and everything is so much easier for them so it's really a societal issue yeah and it's crazy
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because if it's a societal issue then it's really just your problem it's like man yeah it's a
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man-made issue yeah it is absolutely it doesn't have to be and yeah no i i've definitely experienced
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some stuff and i'm really glad that i have my own business where i don't have to
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yeah you know worry about those kinds of things yeah like maternity leave or having to like go back
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or be away from your kids right thing yeah and that's like and that's also something i feel like
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most uh creators like yourself who just so happen to be mothers too um you're very aware of and you're
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like i know i know how lucky it is i am that i get to work from home and i get to be with my kids
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um that doesn't make being a mom any less hard it's hard no matter what right circumstances just
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vary it just depends like it's just it's being a parent is fucking hard in general it is so hard
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and especially if you're being a parent in the spotlight like that's even worse and it's like
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also you can it can be beautiful and it can be magical it could also be traumatic yeah it could also be
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isolating and it can also you know be a little sad sometimes chaotic it can be all of those things
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and i feel like people pick you apart for like showing the real side of motherhood sometimes
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like and how fucking hard it is and it's like no this is the reality because then there's also people
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they're like why didn't anyone tell me this about motherhood it's like because when we talk about the
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negative side people get really upset about it and they're like well stop complaining
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i'm not complaining this is like just reality of being a mom well there's also like this this like
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weird perception that like you're no longer you anymore you're a mom yeah so you're you you no
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longer have any autonomy or any like you're not entitled to feeling at all anymore it has to surround
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you being a mom like it's like well at least you're a mom well yeah no one ever said that like she wasn't
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thankful to be a mother like but there are also sides that are are hard and scary and traumatic and
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that's fair and valid and like women don't lose all of their identity just because they have children
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it's like that's the part that they don't they don't like distinguish anymore it's like you can
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only be one yeah once you're a mom that's all you are you're never a person anymore you're never a
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woman you're never someone allowed to have feelings nothing honestly sometimes i wonder what people
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used to talk to me about before i had kids because i'm like didn't we have conversations like
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before this because yeah i think i saw i saw a tiktok once of this girl and she was um she's a new mom
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i think she had just had her second baby um but she's young she's like in her early 20s but she was
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talking she was basically just sitting in her car crying and she was like this is just like something
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i have to do sometimes like it's just really hard and she's like a stay-at-home mom so she's like
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sometimes it's really really hard being a mom and she's just like crying in the car and she's like
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this doesn't mean i don't love my children this doesn't mean i'm not thankful it's just fucking
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hard it's really really hard sometimes and i saw the video a lot of a lot of the comments were like
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i wish more people showed stuff like this which is what makes me think of when you post your struggles
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yeah like regardless of how like big or small people perceive them to be like they're still very valid
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like and sometimes people need to see that so they can like feel like they're not alone they feel
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seen yeah i can post like a selfie where i feel like really good whatever nobody cares i post talking
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about like real shit and i'm getting all of these messages people are like oh my gosh thank god like
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i feel seen and i think that's what's important it's like you're trying to build connection with other
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moms that are also going through it when i see those videos i'm like i all feel for them and also
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i have had car moments i don't know what it is about the car but it's like the only place you
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can find peace and you just go there for a minute and you just kind of like have to gather yourself
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yeah and go back in being a stay-at-home mom as your full-time job is actually one of the hardest
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things literally literally the hardest thing actually okay and like i've had a lot of different jobs and
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i will say that like if that is probably the hardest yeah getting a break and being able to go to your
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day job it's even it is hard when you have kids because you miss them and you're going somewhere
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but still like being 24 7 job that's exhausting no 24 7 alone no alone time no alone time it's like
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you're always doing something yeah cleaning something picking something up and it's like
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after you put them to sleep you get like two alone hours to yourself and you have to either choose to
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have alone time and like scroll mindlessly or like shoot my house is a mess clean up yeah reset for
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the next day it's just constantly it's a hamster wheel yeah i know that's why when i saw it i was
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like that's so like sad that's awful that she felt that way but it's also like beautiful that so many
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moms like found a community there like they were like oh the amount of times i've gone to my car
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the amount of times just like also when you have a new baby it does get better like when you're
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freshly postpartum that is like the time that you should be the most attentive to the people in your
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life who have had babies because let me tell you it's a flu of emotions okay i finally just got out
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of that feeling but it was like it's tough then you get you pass that threshold and it's like
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okay now we're just at a like normal motherhood yeah that's like the fun part yeah now it was those
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first months are crazy i know i can only fucking imagine oh my god especially like you know especially
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creators like yourself who are doing it in the spotlight with like where everyone's an expert
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everyone's a parenting expert everybody's a child expert i'm actually pretty lucky because i thought
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that when i became like a mom people would just be like bombarding you bombarding me with you're doing
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that blah blah you shouldn't be doing that my people are cool that's great i'm so glad they let me
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mother they let me live i haven't really gotten that but that was like my number one fear and i feel
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like yeah well and it's also probably too because like you said your audience is long standing and
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they're consistent and they're loyal so they've been with you and they've seen how much you struggled
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in the beginning too okay so since we're talking about being a bad bitch mom that's our topic for
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today those of you who don't know what we do here on the comment section is we bring videos that i was
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tagged in that are applicable to our topic today and then we're just gonna laugh kiki uh talk shit
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whatever is required all right all right let's do it okay so this first video is a woman on a podcast
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says she read that many new mothers returning to work are so badly treated because their teams consider
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them a burden and assume they always want to go home early have brain fog or can't focus and the
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treatment is so bad that many women returning to work are either hounded out of their jobs or choose
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to leave voluntarily which is so fucking sad that is so fucking sad especially in a country that
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doesn't offer enough maternity leave yeah no it's the worst year yeah like it's truly the worst and
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no assistance like other countries offer assistance yeah maternity and help you take care of the baby
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and everything yeah we don't offer anything especially during the postpartum months like they they take
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care of you you like live in the hospital for like three months they give paternity leave too yeah like
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more than enough time for you to like some places give you like a year two years so like most places
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it's like a year yeah and here it's like girl it's like two weeks max back to work back to work get back
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in the office immediately and then when you get there they treat you differently because it's so awful
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because you're you're like your hormones aren't leveled like yeah i just think you guys all have
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mothers like yeah you have no compassion for these people and you know what's really sad is that i think
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most people who don't have kids yet and men will never understand because they'll never be in that
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position where they can sympathize with that feeling like even me before having kids um i have one of my
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best friends who when she had a baby she had you know a few kids and after i had my kids i realized
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like i probably should have called her more like i should have called her more and checked on her but i
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didn't realize what it was like because i didn't experience it yet so then i'm looking at everyone that
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are leaving comments or saying these things at the workplace like they've probably never experienced
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this they they're never going to sympathize with this feeling well it's also like pregnancy is so much
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more than just like growing a child like yeah that's part of it but it can be violent and taxing and
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exhausting and horrible like all at the same time that it is great like like you're so excited and you're
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so grateful and at the same time it could wreak havoc on your body and like yeah cause the most
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insane like medical issues and risk and complication like it's just crazy to think like oh okay so you
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just gave birth like like you're fine it's just great that's great that's insane behavior to think
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like the way some men view pregnancy as something that's super easy and you get a free vacation
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it's just insane but i think like we as a society perpetuate that it's so much easier because again
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people get mad if we talk about all the real shit exactly yeah so it's like then people think oh
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they're like validated in those assumptions like yeah let's see it's great just i saw a video where
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a girl said um it's possible like her her nipple like fell off after breastfeeding because they were
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so dry and cracked and then she had to take it back to the hospital and they they like put it back on
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i told my boyfriend that he goes are you lying to me i was like i'm not lying that is very true it
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happens a lot yep and he was like what right i just want to see a man go through half this shit
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and then just see how like society flips a switch to accommodate because i just like genuinely yeah
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it just wouldn't be the same not at all like i'm sorry the way the world would shift drastically if men
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had if like like cis men had to give birth if you ripped from your front to your back i would like
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i would like to see you go back to work and handle shit like a boss that's because the reality is
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women are doing it every day and we're like still caring for the baby and waking up early yep five
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times a night just crazy and sometimes still cooking and cleaning yeah when you get home after working
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right it's funny because my um the girl who did my extensions she just had a baby she said she's
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eight weeks postpartum oh wow and i said girl and you're on your feet you're working bitch and she
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was like oh yeah yeah like i just like i wanted i need to go back to work but she's like thankfully
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i have my mom like he helps she helps me out and i was like a girl yeah she stood on her feet and did
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my hair for like four and a half hours listen women are incredible they really are i wish everyone
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could just see how incredible women are it's like i see it all the time it's crazy especially that
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tear bitch that is real that is so real right i literally saw you if you watch those medical
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videos where they have like um like a baby coming out and and you're like they're showing you what it
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looks like the way that that shit expands like this to let a human come out oh my god it's horrifying
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it's horrifying it is it's horrifying but it's also incredible like it's like so no i look at my body
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like and i'm like dang i was like i got really big with my pregnancy like little kids would be
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like daddy does she have two kids in there i was like oh and then when you see like the baby come
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out and you look at your body and it's like yo you still look pregnant you're just like whoa and then
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to see the progression is like this is insane this is amazing incredible it's unbelievable it's truly
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like insane how talented people like it's like such a indescribable like thing that i think women are
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capable of or people with uteruses are so capable of of growing humans and then giving birth to them
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and then raising them and then working at the same time that's insane yeah that's insane girl and then
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on here so some of these comments like this one says i find it to be true about women being annoying
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when they come back after having kids i find it to be true they're always off because their kids are
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sick or it's school holidays so they need to be off to watch them um that's not true that's not true
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i mean they don't even give you time off to have the kid what do you mean they're going to give you
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time off when their kid is sick they don't care but also have a little compassion i mean
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everyone takes time off like sometimes you'll take time off because you're hungover you don't have to
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have kids like you know what i mean like so everyone everyone calls in sick and has times
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off sometimes you just don't want to go yeah and but then it's like it's so annoying when they have
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to do it because their kids need them that's insane you just have to have a little people need to have
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more compassion girl i once had to call out of something like a work engagement i literally had
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to call out because my dog couldn't stop throwing up can you imagine if that was a human you know what i
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mean i was literally like i can't go i have to take my dog to the hospital honestly it's probably more
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accepting that it's your dog literally baby that's what i was like i literally my dog will not stop
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throwing up i have to take him to the emergency room i literally have to take him and i canceled
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everything that day that's what i'm saying can you imagine like if it's another human that you're
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responsible for for the rest of their lives yeah like of course you're gonna take time off if you
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need to that's kind of like i don't get why people get so common sense to me why do you care
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that's what i was saying why do you care girl like i don't understand and this honestly like
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this attitude is so it's so like you said it's so void of empathy there's just none whatsoever
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this next one says it's your choice to have children okay okay it was it's also your choice
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to eat that guy that you that is treating you like shit and then you talk and then you talk it's like
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every everybody makes choices and they're you know what i mean and there's good and bad to every choice
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i don't get when people say that you chose to have kids yeah i did but there's there's with the good
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is also bad yeah you literally can't have one without the other and that's with every choice
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you make in life that's why i'm like you chose to get bangs when you got broken up with right
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and did that work your hair choices your job that's what i'm saying your job do you like it sometimes
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no do you complain to your friends yeah so like i don't get why people get so mad when moms when it's
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involved with women it's always just with women it is it's it's rarely ever about children it's about
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women like it's always just like this very rampant misogyny uh that's embedded in every single aspect
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of life including having children and i would like to know how can we call it working moms and not
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working dads literally they're just like oh he went to work but she's like she's a working mom right
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but then if you call yourself a working mom even then they're like oh so you spent time away from
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your kids it's like what you said you just can't win you know there's no winning yeah it can't win for
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losing honestly this last one says i don't have kids and the amount of times i've had to take on
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more work to cover for these women who have kids i mean well look at that you are blessed to be able
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to work you just said you don't have kids so you're available right you have time there you go so you
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have the time okay there you go did you get paid for those days there you go right yeah did she no
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if she went home early did she get paid for that day no she did not and she took that l she was like i
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don't care don't pay me right i'm going home like yeah most people that make these comments don't have
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kids so yeah and they're very and they're also like a lot of times misogynistic so it's a real
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venn diagram honestly the venn diagram is a circle to be honest okay this next video says the video
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shows a mom working on the computer with text over the screen that says working moms let's talk about
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this we are not okay we work full-time inside and outside the home we juggle work and family schedules
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we struggled to present both roles and every day is a rinse and repeat give yourself grace
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which i think is fine yeah that's fair i don't think that's a bad thing at all well i think that's
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a reminder to women that like you're doing a lot so just because even me i beat myself up all the time
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like really i've gotten better at it but it was really hard for me to transition and into this new
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role and also not be able to fulfill my other roles as much as i did before and i always feel
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like i'm not doing enough i'm not i'm like when i'm trying to pick up the ball here i'm dropping the
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ball here and like i'm trying to go here and i'm dropping it here and it's like i finally have come
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to terms that i can't like i can do it all but i can't do it all every day and i'm just like i was
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trying to just be the same person that i was before kids yeah and i can't be that person more i have to be
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this new person which is great it's like yeah i just needed to accept that and so we're already
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giving ourselves so much guilt on our own we don't need like they don't need more guilt yeah outside
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mom guilt you have it all the time all day yeah it's kind of like where when people say like no
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one's ever going to be meaner to yourself than you so like nothing anyone could say when they're
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criticizing how you mother or how or how you parent um is not something you haven't already said to
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yourself yeah like something where you feel hypercritical of yourself i guarantee nine
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times out of ten it's exactly what they're what they're trying to project onto you and even worse
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probably right because mom guilt is real parent guilt in general is very real and didn't you i think
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you launched your companies after you had uh ocean right literally i launched my cup i launched i were
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right before i had ocean and like even restocked while right after i gave birth we were like on zoom
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we're doing a restock in the hospital oh my god and i remember my husband was sitting there and
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the ocean is a newborn he took like his first poop and he was like changing the diaper on zoom with
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like our full team and trying to run this restock that we had scheduled yeah you know and so we had
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we did basically had a baby and launched the brand same time during the pandemic yeah during the
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pandemic i was trying to sell eyewear when we could go outside it was like it was really a wild time
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for me and you launched desi skin yeah i launched desi skin a little bit after that like yeah yeah
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not too long after that's crazy but yeah it's been wild yeah especially when you when you think
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about like the first few months like you said are so difficult for you personally let alone having a
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newborn and it's your first baby yeah and on top of that you got another baby which is your business
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which you also have to tend to yeah and care for and it's like this what you said it's exactly what
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you said which is like it's just never enough like no matter like to to public perception and
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people who are hypercritical of moms who work it's just never enough no matter what you do it's just
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constantly yeah i kind of want to see a like a person that has all these comments i would love to see
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their perfect scenario for a mother like what is your perfect scenario to where this is a successful
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mom that isn't to you to you that isn't bothering anyone else it's not like like she's not mooching
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she's not this she's not just a stay-at-home mom like i would like to see that because i feel like
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seriously show me the way yeah if you know so much you know let me know let me know if i could do
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better let me know right you seem to talk a lot like you got you know a lot so let me know what is
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it any like tips you got let me know i think that what would fix everything is just people having
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more compassion that's it like i feel like the world would be so much better if everyone just
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absolutely actually have the the um capability to put themselves in someone else's shoes you know
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absolutely and it's also um like we talked about the misogynistic aspect of it is like what you said
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like it's always working mom never working dad it's never like the standards that women are held to as
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parents is much different than the standards men are held to it's kind of like they're spending time
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with kids but you're taking care of your kids right i saw actually saw a video on twitter recently of a
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girl she's a 19 year old mother of two and she had posted a video of her making lunch for her kids
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or dinner and it was like she put pieces of pizza and then she did like some chips and then some
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strawberries like blueberries whatever she was getting eaten alive like people were like that's
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such a horrible meal to feed your children i'm like she's not even old enough to drink but also
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i'm sorry sometimes all this kid will eat is yeah pizza or mac and cheese or something like
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and they go through phases where literally you're just happy that they're eating i don't even care
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like i'm just glad you're eating right now and it's just we're all trying to do our best some nights
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it'd be like that you know where it's like damn i don't have any food like i didn't like let me just
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give you this and they're eating they're fine trust me they're fucking fine they're surviving
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they're doing good you can't always be doing these gourmet meals and and then when you do they
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like throw the plate on the floor you're just like yeah most of it's in their hair they don't even
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eat it yeah my are your kids picky eaters or were they like listen my son was such a good eater but
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now he's in his i just want pretzels mac and cheese and like that's his phase right now that's
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like yogurt pretzels mac and cheese that's it and then one day yeah that's crazy one day he'll be like
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oh can i get bread with butter and i'm like okay thank god he's gonna eat something i make him bread
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and butter and he's like no i don't want this this is a mac and cheese what's this i'm like
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you're bullying me right now like these kids are bullying me dude it's hard and then like you know
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i remember but back in the day he would be eating like fish and broccoli and that he was such a good
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eater and he just flipped a flipped a switch on me that's crazy that's so funny you have no control
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yeah i think i was like i was a pretty picky eater but like my shit couldn't touch so if the
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shit touched my mom would have to remake it she would just take it over there and be like i remade
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it right and give it back to me but i would like i wouldn't eat like i'm like nah my son's kind of
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like that like sometimes he'll be like i didn't tell no he'll like scream and say i didn't want it
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in slices i said big pieces like the way i cut it triggers him and i'm like and i'm just sitting
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there like hanging on by a thread like twitching that's so funny my brother used to refuse to eat
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um any fruits with skins on it so like no that's a lot of apples yeah but like he just he'd see it
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and he'd be like i'm not eating that and i'd be like dude are you serious the way i have to like
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michelin star like prepare the apple otherwise he's gonna throw it across the room he's i'm not eating
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that yeah he was the pickiest eater out of all three of us like my sister was like cool with whatever
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i was real middle of the road he refused to eat anything he had like three things max it was like
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spaghetti chicken nuggets yeah and like some apples but skinless like literally skinless apples like
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they had to have nothing on them wait till they ask for skinless grapes that's my son literally wants
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skinless grapes and i'm like how do you even feel like i was like that's that's a grandma thing she did
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this tea didn't she i know she's skinning your grapes and now i have to skin your grapes thanks
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a lot now i have to do it that's so funny and is she a good grandma she's a great grandma she's the
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best grandma yeah she loves she loves sometimes she does things with my kids and i'm here like
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where was where were you when i was a kid like oh that's nice she'll literally be like fanning him
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and like feeding him grapes and like put his feet up and he has his own chair and i walk in i'm like
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why are you doing this to him like he's going to be such a diva now yeah little prince that's what
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grandparents do though that's that's their job it's blessed is to is to not be the bad guy that's
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always you right they run to grandma yeah i do are they mama's kids are they more dad are they
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real split they flip the switch all the time so sometimes they'll really want me and sometimes
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they really want ocean i mean steven yeah that's good but they always want grandma no no sometimes
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they're like i don't want to go to grandma's house i want to stay here with you like he hates when we
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have to work and you know if we're somewhere he's like i don't want to he can always like sense it
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probably yeah he just he really just decides who he wants to be with all the time it's always
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someone different some days it's grandma sometimes it's me which is nice you know what's funny is
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they're little puppet masters and you're just a puppet and they talk to us all different like
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they know how to play each of us separately like really yeah in what way like you know he'll say
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the way he talks to my mom is very different than the way he talks to me or like the way he talks to
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steven he'll be a little bit more like baby talk and like whiny yeah with me he won't do that because
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like he knows steven how to play him like that'll work on him yeah with me he'll be like mommy you're
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so beautiful can i have a pretzel i'm like of course he's like i know what i know what works for mom
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yeah that's so sweet oh my gosh i fucking love that yeah so just to wrap up like what would you say
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is as like someone who's obviously a mom but you've been like a creator for a long time you're a business
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owner like what would you say is your best piece of advice for whether it's like prospective moms new
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moms like new parents in general just someone who doesn't want to lose their identity when it comes
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to having kids and also wanting to like work and run businesses and everything like that i think
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what i tell myself personally is to try and stop being the person you were before kids because we are
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ever evolving and it is a grieving period because you're grieving the person you were but you should
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be celebrating this next chapter of your life and the person that you're becoming because there's so
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many beautiful moments that come with all this chaos and trying to hold on to what you were before
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that's that that'll cripple you a little bit and i think i did that for a while and now i'm just like
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no i i love it here and sometimes it's hard but like this new person is is great and
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you just have to kind of give yourself positive talk i'm really working on positive talk especially
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now after having a daughter because like i never want her to see me be like oh i don't like my body
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or like why do i look like this oh i look like shit today like all of those things i'm really working
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on because now that i have kids they're seeing that and like all these behaviors i never want them to
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pick up on yeah so you just have to speak to yourself and be kind to yourself and understand that
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your life is gonna always change and yeah even before kids you're not the person you were when
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you were 19 you're not the person you were when you were a child it's just another it's just another
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stage yeah and it doesn't it's not worse than the last stage it's just a new stage it's a new stage
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and it could be a better one who knows yeah i love that that's so sweet and i think i want to thank you
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for coming on the show first of all adore you forever you're amazing and legendary but also i want to
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thank you for your vulnerability i think that your ability to transcend like into your community and
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be able to have them be seen and feel valid in their whether it's their like bad feelings like sad
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feelings angry feelings or their like euphoric amazing memorable feelings like i just want to
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commend you on being able to translate that i think it's amazing and i admire you a lot thank you
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yeah of course so nice that's me being soft don't get used to it
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and then the laugh comes and you're like that's only for women and anyone who's not a man anyways
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thank you all so much i love you thank you so much for joining me on this episode of the comment
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section where can everybody find you um you can find me at desi perkins everywhere or if you're
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interested in my brands you can find me at desi or at desi skin period we love to see it thank you
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so much for coming on desi i appreciate you you're amazing and thank you all for joining us
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