The Critical Compass Podcast - Alberta Independence Telethon

00:00:00.000 bleach on the ground in the war rooms there and she's going oh my god we just went up by another

00:00:03.760 million and what it was it was an opportunity for Canadians at that time to lay down a marker

00:00:11.280 they couldn't be in Ottawa they couldn't be on the side of a highway but they could show their

00:00:15.840 support there's a lot of Albertans who are feeling somewhat similar in the sense that

00:00:21.520 they're concerned about putting a lawn sign up some of them right they're concerned about showing

00:00:25.840 their outward support because of the extremist approach by the stay in canada crew but sending

00:00:33.280 a donation is a way they can put their marker down just like donors did in the freedom convoy

00:00:38.720 and they can say i support this i'm showing people i support it and on that note i just got a note

00:00:44.960 from our control room that uh let alberta decide today alone has just passed over 38 000 in

00:00:52.960 donations thank you thank you thank you we are going to give you a return on that money like

00:00:59.680 you could never imagine we're going to win this and that's amazing because right before we were

00:01:05.520 about to go on it was at 30 so that's amazing that everybody is uh and showing that support

00:01:11.120 and that that care also for a cause that i guess many would call or many do call the critics and

00:01:17.040 the skeptics uh fringe or an uphill battle but how would you respond to to that and especially

00:01:21.840 given today what we're seeing well i wouldn't say that it's fringe anymore maybe at the beginning

00:01:28.240 it seemed a little bit fringe and we had that large base that was very angry at the outcome

00:01:33.120 of the federal election and quickly joined forces and came together to start to combat this but now

00:01:38.720 we've kind of elevated that conversation and it's grown and i think that's what keith and i are very

00:01:43.200 proud of doing with let alberta decide is we're creating that space for the conversation to

00:01:47.280 continue to grow and to reach into that undecided category where we know that Albertans share a very

00:01:53.920 common sentiment of being frustrated with Ottawa and their punitive treatment of Alberta but not

00:01:59.120 necessarily everyone is ready to make that step to independence and then I'd also want to add that

00:02:05.440 this first referendum to have a referendum is not a binding referendum so if you if you vote option

00:02:12.880 one in that you're voting for the status quo you're voting for nothing to change and for us

00:02:17.600 to continue as per usual with the increasing overreach by our federal government and the

00:02:22.880 increasing punitive treatment of ottawa to alberta but option two gives a pathway for people that

00:02:29.600 feel just disenfranchised with how ottawa has been treating treating us and what a vote for option

00:02:35.680 two does is it empowers our provincial government with all the negotiation strength to be able to

00:02:40.560 negotiate with ottawa with that leverage and position of strength that we've never had in the

00:02:47.120 past so if you want to pursue more sovereignty within or without canada you have to vote option

00:02:54.400 two i would implore you to vote that vote and then it will be up to us to convince you that

00:02:59.680 no let's take it a step further and look at what the benefits are to alberta standing on its own

00:03:04.320 two feet and achieving independence well it seems like there's two opportunities here to really send

00:03:10.480 ottawa message today with a raising a large amount of money to really push this thing over

00:03:15.920 the finish line and then on october 19th will be the second opportunity to really send ottawa

00:03:21.440 a message and when we get to that binding referendum i think um there's going to be a

00:03:25.760 big surprise of a lot of people that were pushed out of their own country like us like conservatives

00:03:30.480 across canada wanting to move to alberta to take a part of their country back and save western values

00:03:37.280 well you know on that point if i could um um you know the rest of canada needs some tough love

00:03:47.200 uh they've been living beyond the means uh alberta's been propping them up uh incredibly i

00:03:54.020 mean what which province has a growing economy in canada right now versus how the rest of them

00:03:59.600 are are declining alberta which province has created the most amount of jobs a report came

00:04:06.260 out this week 80 000 jobs were created in alberta meta just announced a 13 billion dollar investment

00:04:14.740 in an ai center other companies have announced over the past year record investments in alberta

00:04:23.140 but ottawa behaves recklessly the prime minister every week announces billions and billions more

00:04:31.140 going on to your credit card your kid's credit card your grandkids credit card and your great

00:04:38.180 grandkids credit card cory morgan was talking earlier today about the trillions and trillions

00:04:43.220 in debt that that causes inflation that causes workers who go to work and work really hard

00:04:51.540 and each week each month that paycheck even though the number stays the same it buys less

00:04:58.660 and less and less their money becomes worth less over time and um nothing the federal government's

00:05:07.300 doing is changing that and they're going deeper and deeper into this debt cycle and alberta has

00:05:14.260 an opportunity to break free from that and start again and start from a foundation of our young

00:05:21.060 entrepreneurial population that Tanya talks about our resource economy we've got you know we've got

00:05:30.260 we've got more agricultural highly productive agricultural land than most countries in the world

00:05:34.820 you know we've got the third largest reserve of oil in the world we have a very high tech

00:05:39.940 tech sector in our province we have an aviation and aerospace industry we've got everything going

00:05:46.500 for us but for ottawa holding us back and pursuing ideological agendas at the expense of our

00:05:53.780 children's future more and more albertans are waking up to that our goal what we're using these

00:05:58.980 dollars for is um is is we're running a very sophisticated professional campaign some of which

00:06:06.220 won't become manifest for some time because of its nature but uh we're covering every aspect of

00:06:12.620 traditional campaigning and taking advantage of the latest technologies and tools and recognizing

00:06:18.460 the fact that just about everybody is on these all day getting their information from this thing.

00:06:25.980 Exactly and I also think you will raise excellent points there but also previously you raised that

00:06:31.180 people might be skeptical or scared to show support for example and I think that is in it within

00:06:35.500 itself supporting something like Alberta independence and being afraid to do so should

00:06:39.820 tell us something about the state of uh well canada at least but alberta as well within inside

00:06:46.300 alberta but albertans also have really strong values that we see every day the hard work the

00:06:51.500 resilience the responsibility so how can those be leveraged to actually achieve independence

00:07:00.140 sorry did you want to go keith or do you want me to go for it tanya

00:07:02.940 well i think that we have to just realize that we're not uh some some group that doesn't have

00:07:10.400 identity and that's what is often being labeled on us that we don't have common values or or

00:07:15.800 something that's easily identifiable but albertans absolutely do and we all want to pursue better for

00:07:22.600 our communities our families we want to achieve prosperity we want to have increased sovereignty

00:07:27.660 and self-determination over our own lives.

00:07:30.300 And I think to do that,

00:07:31.380 we have to get behind a process

00:07:34.680 that is actually enabling us to do that.

00:07:37.120 And the conversation in the past

00:07:38.820 has been very limited

00:07:40.100 in how we can actually achieve that.

00:07:41.800 And now we're trying to bring that conversation

00:07:43.360 to the forefront,

00:07:44.280 that it is normal to talk about Alberta's future

00:07:47.000 and Alberta's path

00:07:48.120 and what we want to achieve for Alberta.

00:07:50.400 And we might disagree on some of the steps

00:07:52.800 that we take on it,

00:07:53.660 but we absolutely are united

00:07:55.180 in the things that we want for Alberta.

00:07:57.660 And that's why I think that this path to independence is actually a unifying concept.

00:08:01.980 And some of the media or different characters might try to make you think otherwise of it,

00:08:07.400 but it is unifying to pursue self-determination and prosperity for your family, your communities, and your province.

00:08:13.700 So if we bring that conversation and make it more normal to talk about it and engage people in that conversation,

00:08:19.080 I think that we can achieve that.

00:08:20.360 and after october 19th once we do send ottawa a message and it's clear that alberta does want

00:08:27.420 its independence what do you think is an acceptable or appropriate timeline um for the binding

00:08:32.440 referendum to take place in i think a completely achievable timeline for the binding referendum

00:08:39.720 is in february or march of 2027 i think that'll provide ample time for for um uh for for con for

00:08:49.240 campaigning, but also too, we may have a ruling from the Alberta Court of Appeal about this strange

00:08:58.560 ruling from Justice Davidson that we had about our petition launched by Stay Free Alberta. And it

00:09:05.980 relates specifically to the concept that prior to the Alberta government making a policy or

00:09:12.300 legislative decision, it's supposed to consult with First Nations. That just turns the whole

00:09:17.440 concept of our democracy absolutely on its head there is no precedent for that in any supreme

00:09:23.760 court of canada or other decision yes there's a duty to consult but that's all it's a duty to

00:09:29.200 consult so what's remarkable too is that um as sheila gun reid pointed out today the ultimate

00:09:36.800 form of consultation is giving every one of your first nation members the right to vote

00:09:40.800 and they can exercise it by an x and choose where they put it but more to the point of your question

00:09:48.640 i would say this we're either going to have a court ruling saying that the obstacle for the

00:09:53.720 alberta government holding an up down vote on stay leave is resolved or if it's not it'll be open to

00:10:01.920 the government of alberta to hold its nose and consult and go and meet with each of the first

00:10:07.920 Nations and rent a town hall and say, okay, hey guys, in February or March, there's going to be

00:10:13.900 a vote and each of you get to decide, okay, check mark. So I think we can get around the

00:10:22.940 politics of the legalities because it really is a political stunt wrapped in the pretext of law,

00:10:32.880 this most recent decision from the court of King's bench. And even if we don't have closure from the

00:10:37.520 courts. It's open for the Alberta government to hold its nose, do a consultation, even though it

00:10:43.560 doesn't think it's required to, to clear the way for true democracy, for the most direct form of

00:10:50.020 democracy, to allow Albertans to choose their future through an up-down vote on independence

00:10:54.940 in February or March of 2027. And just quickly, as we wrap up, because we do have to be out by

00:11:01.780 five uh i have a quick question for both of you but it might be a long answer uh what gives you

00:11:07.380 hope in alberta right now what specific thing gives you hope today maybe go ahead tanya what

00:11:13.940 what gives me hope i guess is that we are actually being asked the most important question in alberta's

00:11:19.780 history and there have been like i said before decades and decades of efforts by thousands and

00:11:24.980 thousands of people to lead us to this referendum for a referendum question on october 19th and i

00:11:31.140 I hope that when Albertans go into that voting booth

00:11:35.660 and they're about to check that ballot with their ex,

00:11:40.160 they realize the significance of what that they are doing,

00:11:43.800 that Alberta doesn't need a handful of heroes right now,

00:11:47.140 but what we do need is we need hundreds of thousands of Albertans

00:11:49.760 willing to do one small thing,

00:11:52.440 and that is to mark that ex with conviction,

00:11:55.460 with being informed and engaged in this whole process

00:11:58.380 and making sure that they stand beside their decision.

00:12:01.140 so knowing albertans and knowing their grit and tenacity um i feel very confident that they will

00:12:08.340 look into this and will engage in this conversation with us and we'll mark that x on that ballot on

00:12:13.380 referendum day with great conviction and we will be very successful in the outcome

00:12:18.820 and we usually have one last question and maybe i'll ask it to keith and it's a question i hope

00:12:23.620 a lot of people start asking themselves in alberta because i think when they ask them that question

00:12:27.940 that will lead them to independence and that is what does freedom mean to you

00:12:33.220 well freedom means to me being able to wake up in the morning and choose what i can do

00:12:41.780 to lead the best life and to help those around me achieve their potential and be happy

00:12:51.700 and to continue to do so we do have to continue to go to albertatelethon.com thank you so much

00:12:57.380 keith and tanya for allowing us to have a shorter uh interview but hopefully we can repeat it and

00:13:02.900 it's an honor to be able to speak to you as well because i think what let alberta decide is doing

00:13:07.380 and all the other amazing third party advertisers are doing is incredibly important and again not

00:13:12.500 just for maybe even people in alberta but to show also the world not just canada what is possible

00:13:17.700 and what freedom does mean yeah absolutely and i will say um if you can afford to donate today

00:13:24.020 now is the time to really help push this thing over the line on October 19th as well as if

00:13:30.840 people are maybe outside of the country and can't donate because it's only for people with inside

00:13:35.080 of Alberta there is a list of content creators from the unacceptable fringe and others we really

00:13:40.900 need to build up our media presence not only for this October 19th but to go into the binding

00:13:45.740 referendum as well and if I just add that I just got an update from our control room we just topped

00:13:52.100 $40,000. Thank you everyone. Look at this momentum. I think we're going to win. I know we're going to

00:13:58.960 win. We have all of our stars are aligned. We've got a legal pathway. We have the resources of

00:14:06.140 people and spirit. We have the momentum in politics. Momentum is everything and we're

00:14:11.880 going to keep that momentum building thanks to you. Thank you guys. Thank you. Thank you.

00:14:17.020 and for now i guess i will continue to read hi i'm john bolton and we're here with angela taback

00:14:25.740 kathy flatt let alberta decide which again 40 000 which is amazing pathway to independence

00:14:30.780 the levine show alberta women for independence alberta's choice united alberta flags and stay

00:14:36.140 free alberta and again you can always go right now to donate to albertatelethon.com and i believe

00:14:41.580 we have coming up uh chris scott with dennis comma and again you were able are able i don't know if

00:14:46.860 still but go to uh you can send an email with a question to let's go alberta one at gmail.com

00:14:53.020 yeah absolutely and they are looking for more questions so if you have any questions the spicier 0.59

00:14:57.420 the better i think they're going to answer them all so yes and i will say there are a lot of people 0.91

00:15:03.580 outside of alberta that are supporting alberta independence as well they've felt like they were

00:15:08.700 were pushed outside of their own country and there was not anything like alberta independence going

00:15:14.120 at the time so i know we have a lot of people watching from the philippines the united states

00:15:18.600 mexico uh on a daily basis exactly i'm waiting to know if we're on or off but uh again it's amazing

00:15:27.220 that also people have stayed on for the telethon as well and they're watching it and they're

00:15:31.480 watching it again it's not just from alberta but i think a lot of people even within our own channel

00:15:36.660 and within people that talk to us

00:15:38.760 are interested in what's going on in Alberta

00:15:40.620 because, once again, it does show

00:15:42.720 what grassroots movements

00:15:44.780 can also do and what actual democracy

00:15:46.560 can also do. Well, absolutely.

00:15:48.640 It was kind of funny that, I don't know

00:15:50.780 if the government shut it off, but the stream

00:15:52.380 suddenly ended on the same day

00:15:54.940 Bill 9 is coming into effect.

00:15:57.300 Thank God for Elon Musk

00:15:58.740 and Starlink, I guess.

00:16:00.440 We were able to connect again. Hopefully they're not

00:16:02.640 going to figure that's foreign interference

00:16:04.780 there.

00:16:06.660 i'm waiting to run it off but uh as we continue i guess um well we still have tanya on i can

00:16:16.520 continue to ask questions um if you don't mind yeah continue can you continue to ask until they

00:16:22.000 just cut us off i guess yes i will then uh i wanted to ask uh for younger uh people that are

00:16:29.520 looking towards alberta independence but are maybe also still skeptical or are unsure uh which way

00:16:35.280 they should go or what it would mean for them in their future what would you tell younger

00:16:39.120 skeptical people because i think we are missing a bit of the younger crowd as well or at least

00:16:44.160 for them to show up well i think a lot of the younger crowd is actually more engaged than you

00:16:49.680 realize but lots of activities we've done in the past have been town halls and that traditionally

00:16:55.120 happens with an older age group because that is part of their culture right before telephones

00:17:00.880 and cell phones like we used to have to go to our town hall to our local community hall to engage and

00:17:06.000 find out the local news so lots of people attending those are an older crowd but the younger crowd is

00:17:10.620 very engaged on social media and you can see that through politics and tiktok in different places

00:17:15.720 they're engaged but i guess that they need to look forward to their futures and be very realistic

00:17:23.720 with what their timelines are things and what the the monetary policies are going to look like and

00:17:29.580 what that can allow them to afford. I believe the average age in Canada now is over 40 years old

00:17:36.460 for being able to purchase your first home. Whereas 20 years ago, that age was 24. So right

00:17:43.300 there, that's a huge deterrent from the path that Canada is on. When you take home your paycheck and

00:17:49.420 you look at how much comes off with taxes, when you look at your buying power for the money that

00:17:53.360 you do take home and what it's able to purchase at the grocery store or the gas station because

00:17:57.760 of all the hidden layers of taxation in there. It's pretty disturbing. And I don't want that for

00:18:03.640 my children. And as Keith has said, too, he doesn't want that for his children. We want better for all

00:18:07.400 the future generations of Albertans. So there's quite a few things that they can look at going

00:18:11.780 forwards and maybe start to question, huh, is there a better pathway out of this? And maybe

00:18:16.280 we should engage in the conversation and hear some of the merits of a sovereign Alberta.

00:18:21.760 Well, and I will say on October 19th, I hope young people really come out and realize this

00:18:26.800 is an opportunity to send ottawa a message because i know when the binding referendum comes out

00:18:31.440 that's one vote that changes the rest of your life so i think you're going to have a groundswell

00:18:35.760 of young people come out from that binding referendum i really hope they realize now

00:18:40.160 that october 19th is an opportunity to really send ottawa a message for the direction they're

00:18:46.240 kind of going right now exactly do you have another question though yes uh and the way i

00:18:53.360 always put it is uh trying to also incentivize younger people to say this is a literally historic

00:18:59.520 moment where you get to be able to have your voice heard but then also once alberta becomes

00:19:04.720 independent being able to almost look at how to do governance and form governance and continue to be

00:19:11.600 engaged which at least as a young person myself when i was living in canada i didn't feel like

00:19:16.640 i had that opportunity well this is a really easy thing for them to act on right like we're not

00:19:23.360 calling on young people to join a political party.

00:19:26.360 We're not asking them to come to weekly meetings.

00:19:29.020 We're asking them to vote once.

00:19:31.760 Well, twice, I guess.

00:19:32.900 The first vote in October and then the one that follows.

00:19:36.500 And, you know, I was interviewed by a lot of the legacy media

00:19:39.380 after the pipeline announcements and all the fanfare

00:19:41.760 about the announcements of announcements,

00:19:43.880 because that's all they are is announcements.

00:19:45.680 They're nothing more than real things.

00:19:47.960 They're not real things.

00:19:49.660 I said to the reporter, I said, one of them,

00:19:52.080 I said, so now with the announcement about the announcement of a pipeline, is a 21-year-old's rent going to go down?

00:20:00.100 Is a 21-year-old who goes to a grocery store and looks at a jar of pickles and goes, someday I'm going to be able to afford that?

00:20:07.300 Is that going to change?

00:20:08.600 When he looks at his or her paycheck and sees how hard they work and what the top number is and they see what the bottom number is, is that going to change?

00:20:17.660 No, none of those things are going to change.

00:20:19.580 So I don't think, I think reality is real for all of us. And what our job is to cause young people

00:20:31.420 and people, and I actually don't think that's the toughest demographic. I think our toughest

00:20:35.480 demographic is a couple in their late thirties, mid forties, early forties, both have fairly good

00:20:44.940 jobs and they got two kids in a house and two cars and their kids are from 8 to 12 years old 0.99

00:20:50.940 that's going to be our toughest demographic to crack because they're going to go oh life's not 0.91

00:20:55.100 so bad for me why should it change so we're really focused on targeting them as well to help them

00:21:00.700 understand the dark path canada is on and the responsibility for their children and what

00:21:07.100 opportunity could come to alberta and their children and future grandchildren uh through

00:21:12.700 supporting independence and i think that's a perfect uh note to end on so thank you so much

00:21:18.220 keith wilson and tanya clements once again would love to continue to talk to you for a longer time

00:21:23.340 hopefully soon and just found that we work really well together and we have just stuck with the

00:21:29.420 message of alberta independence for six years now six years together yeah it kind of works out nicely

00:21:35.100 because we're in calgary right now it's kind of neat in the middle right that's right this is

00:21:38.460 fantastic yeah obviously we've got your signs hold it up there people are I've got this out

00:21:43.000 on front of my house right now I'm excited I've got now six signs uh other people have 12 I got

00:21:48.440 to get up to 12 but you're doing signs and you're talking to people that's what you're doing so

00:21:53.240 tell us a little bit about the talks right now because we know we love your sign

00:21:57.040 shall I talk about that sure yeah I'll talk about the talks so we're we for over a year now have

00:22:03.520 just been doing home meetings with people helping predominantly women but then the guys love the

00:22:07.500 conversation too so they join in understand why we need to be our own province and we thought well

00:22:12.100 why fix what's not broke we're just going to continue on but now as a tba so that's what

00:22:17.040 we've done and it's actually exploded our calendars are filling up with people that want to have us

00:22:21.940 over and so we're calling it politics on the patio because it's summertime and just have us over six

00:22:28.420 seven eight nine ten thirty people it doesn't matter to us and we walk people through the 0.88

00:22:32.780 history of how alberta became a province set some ground as to why our government structure sucks

00:22:39.180 the way that it does right right and uh and then why we need to vote yes to all of these questions

00:22:43.920 and yes to option two well you know the difficulty i think that's that's happened through this

00:22:48.660 process i mean even through the petition process is finding people sitting on the fence are you

00:22:54.000 meeting up with some of those people angela oh absolutely yeah and it really comes from you know

00:22:59.180 people who are already there inviting their family and their friends to come it's a very casual open

00:23:06.140 discussion nothing is being shoved down anyone's throats and it's an opportunity to just kind of go

00:23:11.740 back and forth with the ideas uh some of the concerns that people might have and it allows

00:23:17.820 us to be able to address them in a way that is very non-confrontational we're building community

00:23:23.740 our whole focus has been education and building community and so that's what we're continuing to

00:23:29.420 do with the tpa and it's working out really great we're in kind of a noisy room right now we're at

00:23:34.620 the derek fildebrandt and duane bratt debate yeah and and for the most part it was a pretty friendly

00:23:41.180 thing it's almost radical now to have a a friendly conversation but that's what you're trying to do

00:23:46.380 isn't it exactly that's exactly what we're doing and it's working as angela said we we are not

00:23:52.220 combative in these meetings we're not we're not putting anybody down we're

00:23:55.980 not there's nothing like that at all um it's just well what are your concerns

00:24:00.140 and let's see if I have an answer and if I don't well then I don't but let's see

00:24:04.460 what you have to say and how come well congratulations on your success uh your

00:24:08.380 website tell people what it is it's very long okay go to the QR code go to the QR

00:24:14.940 code it's abwomensindependencenetwork.com okay and if you would like to support

00:24:22.220 Angela and Kathy on the telethon. Go to albertatelethon.com and click on their link.

00:24:52.220 hours brave the cold and when you talked about their children and the mess we're living in

00:25:00.620 from the back row of the hall to the front row of the fight you said if they're gonna hear us

00:25:09.060 it's gonna be tonight come on let's go so that's gonna be the battle cry for our movement let's go

00:25:18.420 You came to sign on the freedom line

00:25:22.780 Ink on paper, hearts on fire

00:25:28.180 Every name like gasoline, kicking up that rebel choir

00:25:34.580 Let me shake your hand, thank you for your time

00:25:39.060 Fire the voices, strong and true

00:25:44.440 You stand up for Alberta

00:25:48.220 This one's for you

00:25:52.080 I feel like I'm with friends here.

00:25:53.700 That's exactly correct.

00:25:55.540 That's what the whole thing with all these events are for.

00:25:58.180 People understand that they're part of a group of like-minded people

00:26:01.100 that think and have the same ambitions and goals as they have.

00:26:04.200 You stare down that lens in your studio light

00:26:09.220 Coffee gone cold, face pale from the night

00:26:14.240 From the dark hours to the evening show

00:26:19.620 You hit go live and refused to let go

00:26:25.020 Slow roll down from Edmonton, high beams cutting through

00:26:30.420 Northbound up from Calgary, every small town waiting on you

00:26:36.220 Truck stop, coffee cooling between petitions in the rain

00:26:44.240 we're live i heard max say we're live does that mean we're live

00:26:49.960 is that what's going on here yep what are we supposed to be doing i was actually just driving

00:26:55.460 down uh a back street in calgary i was lost and i saw uh an alberta flag and i was like hey that

00:27:01.760 seems kind of cool and i ended up in this seat yeah i'm not exactly who are you yeah i'm dennis

00:27:06.800 oh i'm chris scott nice to meet you hey i've heard your name before oh i've heard your name

00:27:10.080 before as well. Good cafe.

00:27:11.960 You know my cafe.

00:27:13.140 I've heard of it.

00:27:13.860 Oh, well, I know your value of freedom.

00:27:17.140 Ah, have you read it?

00:27:18.820 I've read most of it, yeah.

00:27:19.880 And I actually, I even ran it through AI.

00:27:22.720 I ran it through Grok.

00:27:23.600 I ran it through Claude AI.

00:27:26.000 And I said, be really critical of this

00:27:28.380 and find all the mistakes so I can call

00:27:30.500 these guys and say, hey, you didn't do it.

00:27:32.160 Well, and that never happened.

00:27:34.700 No, it's reasonably solid on the number side.

00:27:38.240 We're going to do an updated version pretty quick once you get the transition plan done.

00:27:43.100 And I don't know if Keith talked about that earlier, but I'm a co-lead with him on building that transition plan.

00:27:48.700 Okay.

00:27:49.180 And once we get that pulled together, which is a bit of an effort, there's somewhere around 40 people engaged in it right now.

00:27:55.500 We've got 20 subject areas to deal with, pulling it together, and hope to release it by the end of July.

00:27:59.880 But that'll redo the transition elements in the value of freedom because we'll have more accurate numbers, more accurate processes, and so forth.

00:28:07.240 So we can say, okay, transition will really cost us roughly this much.

00:28:11.460 That's awesome.

00:28:11.960 And then on the actually doing it part, we're getting, we have a bunch of subject matter experts, guys who know their area, like whether it be air traffic control or oil and gas or whatever, that are actually saying, okay, this is how we would transition.

00:28:26.060 And they're speaking from position of knowledge.

00:28:27.540 So that's all coming in the next small number of months.

00:28:30.060 That's pretty cool.

00:28:31.120 So before we get more into that, I should do an introduction.

00:28:33.920 and I'm sorry folks for the people that are watching my stream it seems as though there's

00:28:38.300 always technical issues and the camera shows up that it's totally fine and when I try and put it

00:28:45.560 on the stream it's not there so if you're watching my stream and you can't see me or you can't hear

00:28:51.460 me head over to freedomcalendar.net or John Bolton's page I think it's back up or I noticed

00:28:57.740 our the young ladies Madison Macy Holmes they have it streaming on their YouTube as well

00:29:02.400 so you can find it elsewhere.

00:29:04.560 So my name is Christopher Scott.

00:29:06.400 I'm the owner of the Whistle Stop Cafe in Muir, Alberta.

00:29:09.200 And I'm also, I just happened to accidentally find myself

00:29:12.180 as the leader of another,

00:29:14.060 I don't want to say freedom-minded,

00:29:17.040 although we are freedom-minded,

00:29:18.520 another organization that's dedicated to

00:29:21.360 having conversations with Albertans.

00:29:24.020 So the most important thing that I've realized

00:29:27.600 over the last six years

00:29:28.500 is that people aren't talking to each other.

00:29:32.400 and we're making decisions on our governance on legislation those types of things and we don't

00:29:39.400 have all the facts right right most of the time and i i think it's most of the time people are

00:29:45.420 making decisions and voting based on what somebody else said and they fail to actually dig into it

00:29:50.200 and listen especially to the other side so let's talk alberta exists specifically to facilitate

00:29:56.480 the conversation amongst Albertans

00:30:00.680 about Alberta's future.

00:30:02.880 And that's extremely important.

00:30:05.120 It's critical right now

00:30:05.960 because we're going to be asked a question

00:30:07.920 on self-determination, right?

00:30:09.700 And it's not a constitutionally binding-toothed question.

00:30:13.640 It's a question that kind of opens

00:30:16.300 the broader conversation,

00:30:17.800 but it's a question nonetheless.

00:30:19.680 Yes, indeed.

00:30:20.300 And I believe that we have a responsibility

00:30:21.860 to learn as much as we can.

00:30:23.500 So when we go into that referendum,

00:30:26.480 we make the best decision possible for Alberta.

00:30:29.120 So that's who I am and why I'm here.

00:30:32.940 And where did you come from, Dennis?

00:30:35.780 You just kind of popped up and then I saw the value of freedom

00:30:38.580 and I'd never heard your name before.

00:30:40.220 So I have been following politics my whole life.

00:30:44.160 I've actually been seeing how Canada is failing for,

00:30:48.340 I'm going to say, at least 15 years.

00:30:51.320 And my personal plan was to say,

00:30:52.980 okay, this country is not working.

00:30:54.800 Let me go elsewhere.

00:30:56.560 And then I saw Pierre Polieva come up and I thought, okay, we have a chance.

00:31:00.460 We have a new leader.

00:31:01.520 He sounds pretty good.

00:31:02.760 Seems to have a lot of the right ideas.

00:31:04.600 You can really eat an apple.

00:31:05.400 You can really eat an apple and speak at the same time.

00:31:07.960 That's the critical part.

00:31:08.940 Amazing.

00:31:09.460 And I thought, well, we have a chance.

00:31:11.540 Then the election came by.

00:31:13.520 And then before literally it reached the Manitoba border, it was done.

00:31:19.320 Done and dusted.

00:31:20.380 There was no way.

00:31:21.860 And I was very, very angry.

00:31:23.340 So I happened to go on X at that time.

00:31:25.580 I saw Jeff Rath's posts, and I thought, well, this guy seems interesting.

00:31:30.200 So I pinged him and said, hey, you need any help?

00:31:33.360 Maybe I can help out.

00:31:34.920 He and I got on the phone, and he said, well, can you write a business plan?

00:31:38.600 Well, heavens, I spent 47 years in business.

00:31:41.280 I've probably written 100 of the wretched things of various sizes.

00:31:44.260 So I said, sure, I'll give it a shot.

00:31:45.700 So we worked on that for about six weeks, and I did a lot of the analytics.

00:31:50.560 Jeff did a fair chunk of the policy elements, and we pulled it together and published it.

00:31:55.580 And that's where it came from.

00:31:57.120 And then one thing led to another.

00:31:58.340 Then people said, oh, do you mind coming and talk about it?

00:32:00.620 Oh, by the way, would you help with the constitution?

00:32:02.740 Oh, by the way.

00:32:03.680 And next thing you know, I'm sitting here in this studio talking to you.

00:32:07.320 That's, well, I mean, one day I'm getting out of the oil patch because I was sick of the government interfering with my career, with my business.

00:32:17.560 And I bought a restaurant in July 2019.

00:32:20.580 Not the right time to be free of government interference in a restaurant.

00:32:23.860 and next thing you know I'm speaking at hundreds of town halls across Alberta on the topic of

00:32:30.480 Alberta sovereignty so life has a an interesting way of you know throwing these curveballs at you

00:32:36.320 and you know they say you know they disabled the best laid plans right so I never planned for any

00:32:41.960 of this but here I am and what a privilege it is to be here and in the midst of this conversation

00:32:46.020 I can't think of a more important conversation so I think the theme of this telethon is we're

00:32:53.680 trying to raise awareness and raise support for the conversation around alberta independence now

00:32:59.440 there are a number of third-party advertisers that the telethon itself is supporting as far as i know

00:33:06.120 like i don't believe they're working together this is something that john put on yes to try and get

00:33:10.320 things public um because that's what he does so the goal here is to encourage people to donate to

00:33:16.980 the tpas and i'm sure you've already heard it folks but if you haven't um there is a contribution

00:33:22.480 limit there's a five thousand dollar contribution limit for everybody donating to a tpa i believe

00:33:27.280 your corporation can also donate yes to five thousand dollars um so so you know you you should

00:33:33.940 be spreading it around as as best you can and i would encourage you if you're a forever canadian

00:33:38.660 supporter and you're watching this telethon by all means contribute to your favorite tpa which

00:33:43.620 may be the forever canadian um tpa now my my organization is different we're not a third

00:33:49.580 party advertiser. Okay. And there's a very specific reason for that. The Elections Finance Act has a

00:33:56.700 carve out in it that allows people to express themselves for political purpose. And that's

00:34:01.620 what we're doing. We're facilitating town halls, open conversation. We invite people from both

00:34:06.200 sides. Although, because I'm very vocal about my position, it's very rare that somebody that

00:34:11.760 opposes me shows up. But I wish they would. Because if, you know, we're going to be asked

00:34:17.620 this question i want to make the best decision and if they can tell me why their position is

00:34:22.460 better than mine i need to hear that yes because i want to make the best decision so i would love

00:34:26.600 for the front row to be filled with people who oppose um oppose my position so what we're going

00:34:32.660 to do and i'm not exactly sure how the logistics of this is going to work i guess we're going to

00:34:37.400 have to rely on some of the folks in the back end but i have a little bit of a contribution limit

00:34:42.080 left for my personal tpa contributions i donated a thousand dollars to cory morgan's tpa and so

00:34:49.260 that means i have four thousand dollars left that i can donate what i'm going to do is during this

00:34:54.940 portion of the telethon the top three tpas that people donate to i'm going to match that up to

00:35:03.140 my contribution limit so it's like one thousand six hundred dollars or something like that but

00:35:09.180 the top three. So folks, now's the time you're going to maximize the impact and the input to

00:35:17.340 those people that you want to support by leveraging mine as well. And if you want to support the work

00:35:24.620 Let's Talk Alberta is doing, you can be from anywhere. You have no contribution limits. You

00:35:29.420 can donate as much as you want. As a matter of fact, we had a donor fund us with a nest egg of

00:35:35.240 $95,000 a few days ago, which allows us to go and book town halls and do all sorts of things.

00:35:40.620 And people are going to see a rolling billboard within the next few weeks. And it's going to be

00:35:45.360 a lot awesomer than the Forever Canadian Unity mobile. So you can look forward to that. So

00:35:51.460 yeah, it's big. It's 40 feet. It's a diesel pusher. It's an Albertan mobile, rolling coal.

00:36:00.300 and it's going to be an absolutely fantastic expression of a I love Alberta and I want to

00:36:06.000 have this conversation so donate and donate often but don't exceed your limits and if you're from

00:36:12.020 outside of Alberta don't then donate to a TPA you're not allowed but you can donate to Let's

00:36:17.020 Talk Alberta and we will be good stewards of your donation and maximize its impact now that that's

00:36:23.500 out of the way is there anything in particular you wanted to talk about Dennis because all I

00:36:28.420 really wanted to do is i wanted to come on and just answer questions we've been doing that for

00:36:32.580 months and i i have fun doing it so we can talk about whatever you want then we'll do that well

00:36:36.160 there's a couple of things i wouldn't mind talking about and first of all is uh i've been co-leading

00:36:40.960 with keith wilson the development of the transition plan and i want to make clear a couple of things

00:36:46.120 about it is um people think the transition plan is setting long-term policy for the country of

00:36:53.000 Alberta and deciding how we will run things and how taxes will work and form a government and

00:37:00.240 and so forth and that is not true all those things are in the hands of the future legislature

00:37:05.760 deciding how taxes are done deciding what constitution we should use deciding you know

00:37:12.320 what kind of military do we need are all things to be done by the people of Alberta through their

00:37:18.340 elected legislature once we are an independent country. So all the transition plan is doing

00:37:25.300 is covering that period of time from when we win the referendum until such time as that

00:37:31.300 legislature is in place. Think of it more like scaffolding or temporary supports than a long-term

00:37:37.280 plan. So all we're saying is, okay, how do you handle policing until the legislature can decide

00:37:44.380 what the long-term policing model is now things have to be done we have to of course defend the

00:37:49.900 borders protect the borders at least keep track of who's in we have to deal with uh how do we

00:37:54.940 collect taxes in the interim uh we have to deal with things like what do we do about a military

00:37:59.780 you know to cover that period of time so that's what we're building right now i said a few minutes

00:38:04.680 earlier that we're uh we're developing it with a bunch of people who know what they're talking about

00:38:08.800 and it's being pulled together as we speak it's fairly big and meaty i'd say it's about three or

00:38:14.220 400 pages at this point. And we plan on releasing it roughly the end of July or as soon, as close

00:38:21.380 to that as we can possibly get. And then people can answer the question that follows after the

00:38:26.680 value of freedom. Value of freedom was, is the country of Alberta a fiscally, a financially

00:38:31.360 viable place? Short answer, yes, it is. Second question is, okay, so we will be financially

00:38:37.720 viable. How do we get from where we are now, a province embedded in Canada with a lot of

00:38:44.080 services that are not being done by our own people to the place where we are doing all those services

00:38:49.680 and operating as an independent country recognized by the rest of the world and be able to do things

00:38:54.900 like, okay, we need a passport. How do I get an Alberta passport if we offer such things?

00:39:00.880 So that's the thing we're building now and that's we want to have ready by the end of July.

00:39:05.580 I'm glad you brought that up because there is a lot of confusion around that. I've heard a comment

00:39:09.280 from some people saying, hey, how come we're not involved in these conversations? And the answer

00:39:13.060 to that is because we have no idea about any of those things like i have no idea how to trans

00:39:18.920 transfer the logistics of operating an international airport from you know one jurisdiction to the next

00:39:24.540 i have no idea how to manage uh moving you know corporate tax liability from one structure into

00:39:31.280 another words other and making sure all those things are smooth but there are a lot of experts

00:39:35.020 that can do those yes and i will point out and and i don't know if this was included in some of

00:39:39.080 stuff but this isn't much this isn't new no there there's a province that's been doing this for 60

00:39:44.200 years and that's Quebec and they have a a ton of research and information on these things is that

00:39:48.280 correct well every service we want to take over is currently operated by Canada right now they're

00:39:53.560 not filled full of rocket scientists and brain surgeons they're filled with normal human beings

00:39:58.760 that can't be yeah well it's hard to believe but some of them actually maybe even don't reach that

00:40:03.400 level anyway um so none of these are new to world none of these are new to country and what we're

00:40:09.640 doing just replicating them in the best possible way so it's not hard to do i'm going to pick an

00:40:15.560 example so someone said to me well passports are so hard to produce their their fancy little

00:40:21.160 booklet you know digital chips in them and so on and so forth so i got online did some searching

00:40:25.960 turns out the government of nepal just signed a deal with a com company in germany to produce

00:40:32.120 passports for seven dollars a booklet oh you give them a picture address you know the relevant

00:40:39.200 information which we have to do please have to check you send it to this company seven bucks

00:40:44.020 later they give you a passport and turn around i guess is about a week or two so we can literally

00:40:48.820 do that for seven bucks a passport now governor of canada does it much more expensively but i think

00:40:54.720 we can grab services like that and do it quite quickly that problem gets solved so there are

00:40:58.960 ways you can optimize and streamline without doing crazy stuff, without taking many years

00:41:04.580 and millions and billions of dollars. We can just grab stuff that's available to us,

00:41:09.460 find the best practice in the world, adopt it as far as we can, and that'll cover us

00:41:13.700 until the legislature takes over. And we have some hindsight and we have some historical

00:41:17.840 examples to look at. I mean, I was doing some Googling a few weeks back and I found that

00:41:22.500 since 1990, there's 38 new nations that have formed. Yes. That's 38 new nations that have

00:41:26.460 to do all these things it's not rocket science it's not impossible it's not even really that

00:41:30.860 much of an obstacle like this is just a it's an administrative task yes we do administrative tasks

00:41:35.980 all the time well and i spent my career working in large-scale projects where you've got a million

00:41:41.660 things to do and you got a bunch of people working on them the problem is not usually that any task

00:41:46.380 is rocket science the problem is you just have so many tasks to track and try and get done in a

00:41:52.140 in a short period of time in a coordinated fashion.

00:41:54.780 Well, that problem's known.

00:41:56.400 Like I've done it, been there, done that.

00:41:58.140 And it's no fun sometimes, but you can get it done

00:42:00.320 and it's pretty straightforward.

00:42:01.740 And countries, I just was talking with John Bolton

00:42:04.680 a minute ago, a question that came up on email

00:42:07.860 was how long will it take?

00:42:10.080 So I looked up the Czechoslovakian split.

00:42:12.440 They took six months.

00:42:14.180 I think there's no reason why our separation

00:42:18.180 from Canada towards independence

00:42:20.320 will take longer than a year.

00:42:22.140 well i mean there's there's lots of evidence to support that claim exactly it hasn't taken other

00:42:28.380 countries you know decades to do it why would it why would it take us that speaking of questions

00:42:32.320 if john's watching you're gonna have to come in and unlock your laptop because i uh i didn't move

00:42:36.580 the cursor around no i can't see all the questions um the second part of that you you mentioned that

00:42:42.520 these things have to be done uh kind of before our legislature does its thing and outlines it

00:42:48.860 I want to point out kind of the flow.

00:42:52.660 So it's not like all of these things get done at once, right?

00:42:56.360 So we have a referendum on independence.

00:42:58.180 It's successful.

00:42:59.260 Well, now we begin negotiations with Canada.

00:43:01.420 The negotiations will inevitably fail, I would assume.

00:43:04.780 And there's a declaration of independence somewhere in there.

00:43:07.680 After that, Albertans get to decide what their future looks like.

00:43:11.040 And this is the opportunity that gives me so much hope and is so amazing to me.

00:43:17.300 an opportunity that other people other countries have like they've they've sacrificed millions of

00:43:22.520 lives to get the opportunity to answer a question of self-determination and we're going to get that

00:43:26.300 so we would get to decide through constitutional convention what our government's going to look

00:43:30.000 like what our legislature is going to look like how our executives are going to work all of these

00:43:33.680 things and we can look to other countries to other constitutions all around the world uh for the

00:43:39.780 things that have worked well and the things that haven't for example the united states just

00:43:43.600 celebrated their 250th anniversary.

00:43:45.640 Greatest experiment in freedom the world has ever seen.

00:43:47.640 Not perfect, but it's a great example,

00:43:49.640 a great constitution to look at to say, hey,

00:43:51.600 how did they maintain their freedom? And how did they maintain

00:43:53.580 their cohesiveness

00:43:55.360 through that amount of time? Because a lot of countries

00:43:57.540 don't.

00:43:58.060 No, and

00:43:58.580 I just came off a road trip that

00:44:01.960 Jason Levine organized

00:44:03.380 with Matt Rowley and with Bruce

00:44:05.900 Partey, and we went

00:44:07.880 to Edmonton Red Deer in Calgary

00:44:09.880 and to answer

00:44:11.740 questions and listen to people about what they thought about constitutions. And in that case,

00:44:17.360 the three of us have different points of view. Matt Rowley's in favor of an improved Westminster

00:44:22.420 system. Bruce Pardee is a very libertarian-minded guy. And I tend to be roughly in the middle

00:44:28.500 with a republic, much like the Americans have. So we discussed those. We took a lot of input

00:44:34.400 from people. We answered a lot of questions. And key to all of this, and actually the number one

00:44:39.520 paper on the on the transition plan is the development of the constitutional conference

00:44:44.880 and that's been mapped out that paper is actually pretty well done and it's a process by which we

00:44:50.320 can get multiple groups not just government not just lawyers not just you know a bunch of academics

00:44:56.960 but a public open forum made up of a wide representation of people to work through the

00:45:02.560 process of picking our system of government and from that you actually then structure your

00:45:07.440 elections you structure your houses of government the legislature your judicial system and so forth

00:45:12.720 and like you said there's nothing new under the sun in many ways i think we can improve

00:45:18.700 whatever model gets chosen i think we make serious improvements over what's there

00:45:23.440 i've seen the weaknesses in the american system they have some challenges that i think we can fix

00:45:29.500 and even went down the westminster system we know the holes heavens we're experiencing the holes

00:45:34.580 today every day every day and we can plug those bruce's system is a brand new to world approach

00:45:40.980 but it's got some really good thoughts in there and some real lessons to learn no matter what so

00:45:44.820 we have approaches we'll give it to the people of alberta to decide ultimately so the constitutional

00:45:50.180 conference generates a document but ultimately the people of the country of alberta will vote

00:45:56.420 to accept the constitution and that's when it will become the law of the land so that's something

00:46:01.460 thing that's that process is designed and that we'll be publishing it like i said roughly the

00:46:05.980 end of july and that is the opportunity and the blessing right there absolutely this isn't nobody

00:46:11.980 is saying things are going to be perfect you know i i've actually even stopped saying things will be

00:46:16.640 better because i don't know if i what i what i do say is that for the first time in history

00:46:21.480 albertans will get to decide yes albertans will decide the laws the governments the policy all

00:46:26.800 of those things and they will reap the benefits or suffer the consequence right now it's a group

00:46:31.520 of people thousands of kilometers away that make the rules largely and we kind of go along for the

00:46:36.740 ride for better or for worse and i think there's a better way to do it i think the people who are

00:46:42.560 affected by legislation should be the ones that that that choose their legislation and and if it's

00:46:50.560 not that way and if you can't influence the laws that govern you i think that's i think that's a

00:46:55.560 big problem yeah so i'm supposed to mention and i will mention uh this is a fundraiser and if you

00:47:02.300 folks want to donate to any particular tpa i'm not going to tell you which ones to donate to

00:47:06.860 visit albertatelethon.com and you can click a link and fill the appropriate information for

00:47:12.380 whatever tpa you want to donate to and keep in mind that the top three tpas that you donate to

00:47:17.560 right now i will match those tpa donations up to my maximum allowable contributions which i believe

00:47:24.480 is another, I think I can donate about another $1,600 for three more TPAs. So I'm happy to do

00:47:29.920 that. And, you know, if you got a couple hundred thousand dollars kicking around, you don't know

00:47:33.460 what to do with it, let's talk Alberta can accept anything from $1 up into the sky's the limit,

00:47:39.560 Elon, if you're watching, and we'll be, like I say, we'll use your money very well.

00:47:45.320 The TPAs in Alberta right now are subject to a number of rules. Yes. And the reason is

00:47:54.460 that Elections Alberta wants to know

00:47:58.260 who is paying to advertise for an outcome

00:48:02.300 of a referendum, election, whatever.

00:48:04.160 And the purpose of that is so that a giant corporation

00:48:07.080 in wherever doesn't stick their billion dollars

00:48:10.800 in and influence an election.

00:48:12.440 They want to know that it's coming

00:48:14.400 from the people of Alberta

00:48:15.560 and that's why there's contribution limits.

00:48:18.840 So I think Elections Alberta

00:48:21.120 has an important job to play in that

00:48:23.260 And it can be frustrating to navigate those rules.

00:48:26.060 But I have noticed that some TPAs, particularly the one, doesn't seem to be really following those rules.

00:48:34.060 And that's the Forever Canadian TPA.

00:48:37.240 So do you have any thoughts on that?

00:48:39.420 Have you heard anything about that, how they're getting away with that?

00:48:43.660 Well, I've read the announcements made by Elections Alberta, and they're cutting in my mind a very fine legal point.

00:48:50.700 I've also listened to the Forever Canadian people.

00:48:53.260 a few times. And, you know, as far as I can tell, they're campaigning, you know, just like,

00:48:59.480 for example, Keith Wilson's campaigning for his point of view. And I go, fine, let them campaign.

00:49:05.820 But I am very unhappy with the idea that one side apparently gets free pass and one, the other side

00:49:13.400 gets a different one. And that's something that angers me. So I think that I would ask Elections

00:49:19.880 Alberta to look very carefully at what exactly is being done by all TPAs, make sure it fits in the

00:49:26.640 rules. So I do agree with the idea that elections should not be able to be bought, that that concept

00:49:32.540 is solid, but then make sure all the TPAs on both sides of the question are in fact playing by the

00:49:39.020 rules, living by the rules, and meeting the requirements that you set out yourselves.

00:49:43.960 So if one side appears to be, you know, not quite following the rules as they should be,

00:49:49.540 And the other side is under, under quite a bit of scrutiny.

00:49:52.060 I would say folks, if you, you know, if you have an opinion,

00:49:55.380 if you believe in one side of the conversation or the other, support them,

00:49:59.240 support them, however you can donate as, as much as you can,

00:50:03.180 as often as you can within your limits.

00:50:05.260 And that's really the only way this is going to, this is going to work.

00:50:07.700 The status quo, the current situation is the easy choice.

00:50:13.120 It's the safe choice because nobody really is going to, you know,

00:50:16.740 put a cigarette but in your cheek for saying hey we want to remain in canada but the uh the the risk

00:50:22.660 to some for expressing their opinion for self-determination is uh it's it's quite it's

00:50:27.780 quite visible well and things we see and you say it's a safe choice and i agree from the elections

00:50:32.840 alberta perspective it is but i ask people and i've been having this conversation for a while

00:50:38.680 so is choosing to remain in canada really the safe choice well i would say no well i would say

00:50:46.000 know as well but i ask people to walk through the thinking process of uh low investment levels in

00:50:52.460 in canada low productivity levels um worst financial record of the g20 um you know all

00:51:00.820 these rules and restrictions and net zeros coming at them where will canada be in 10 years time

00:51:05.960 will it have any financial means left will it even come close to maximizing the use of the

00:51:12.620 many gifts it has. And so when people say, well, it's safer in Canada, I go, no, it's not. It just

00:51:19.020 not happened yet. Leaving Canada is in fact, it's an event. We're going to have a vote. There's

00:51:25.400 going to be a whole bunch of upset and concerns and worries. Very emotional. I tell people after

00:51:32.080 the hangovers wear off in a few days time, we'll wake up and say, okay, now what do we do? And

00:51:37.360 that's why we're building a transition plan. So some of that's already answered. But there will be

00:51:42.460 It's an event.

00:51:44.380 And I think, though, once that happens, cooler heads will prevail.

00:51:50.660 There's a school of thought, and I understand it being valid.

00:51:53.920 They think that Canada will be very aggressive and very difficult to deal with.

00:51:58.680 I don't.

00:51:59.140 I actually agree with you.

00:52:00.660 They won't.

00:52:01.260 Because I think that Canada will wake up with a huge hole in its financial economy.

00:52:06.960 They already, they have this lump in the middle of their country that separates BC from them.

00:52:12.720 They are now beholden to a third country and a foreign country, a third party, for their energy because they don't produce much themselves.

00:52:20.820 They're going to have the Americans breathing down their neck saying, play nice because we want to protect our oil supply.

00:52:26.460 I think Canada will, after the hangovers are over, sit down and say, okay, let's talk.

00:52:32.180 We need some things.

00:52:33.340 You need some things.

00:52:34.540 Let's work them out.

00:52:35.320 Could you imagine after, you know, after Mark Carney publicly recognizes the sovereignty of Palestine and after Canada publicly acknowledged the sovereignty of Kosovo and other new and emerging nations, can you imagine if they wouldn't recognize Alberta?

00:52:53.700 I can't see that happening in any reality.

00:52:57.860 Well, and if they did, if they said we won't let Alberta go, I can imagine the world community saying, wait a minute, this is colonialism.

00:53:07.900 This is not self-determination of your citizens.

00:53:11.120 You are demanding that this area, this group of people, stay beholden to you, keep throwing you money year after year, and that is nothing more than a colony.

00:53:21.540 And you know what?

00:53:22.200 We like Alberta because they are trying to be their own country.

00:53:24.700 I think it's going to go.

00:53:26.600 It won't be easy.

00:53:27.220 It's like a divorce, not like it's going to be, you know, all happiness and butterflies.

00:53:31.360 There will be some pretty tough fights and some arguments about how do we handle parks

00:53:37.220 and how do we handle financial commitments and how do we manage the debts and all those

00:53:42.660 kinds of things, all of which I think have good answers, but each of them will have to

00:53:46.580 work through.

00:53:47.660 And I've said it to more than one person, there's a couple of teams I'd love to be on

00:53:51.420 that negotiating.

00:53:52.500 Negotiation is four.

00:53:53.500 One is a pension.

00:53:55.040 I'd love to be on that negotiating team.

00:53:57.220 Because I think we will get a very robust pension out of the CPP assets.

00:54:03.020 And I think it's more than doable.

00:54:04.220 So that's one team I'd like to be on.

00:54:05.620 But this is all workable.

00:54:07.300 It's all doable.

00:54:07.900 And I think it will happen.

00:54:09.260 Regarding the pensions, just real quick.

00:54:10.700 I have been in some of my media.

00:54:17.880 People have asked me, well, why does Alberta think that they deserve all of this pension fund?

00:54:26.500 and you look at the math and the math is it speaks plainly so it says you get what you put

00:54:31.920 in plus interest minus what you take out exactly period it's easy my question would be well if we

00:54:37.040 if we're uh entitled to 50 of the fund where's the rest of the money where did it go and why is

00:54:43.560 it not there yeah that should be the question people are asking not why does Alberta get it

00:54:46.840 well and I mean I think it'd be a broader negotiation but you're quite right and that's

00:54:51.380 why in the value of freedom though we said okay the real number is the 344 from the Lightworks

00:54:55.460 report. And as people say, yeah, but, but, but, but, but, you know, I said, even at half, if we

00:55:01.900 just get half of that number, I've done the math, I've done it recently, we can cover all of our

00:55:07.900 pension obligations, CPP, OIS, GIS, and so forth, within that 184, comfortably. It turns out our

00:55:16.560 expenditures every year for current payouts to pensioners is actually less than the net

00:55:22.280 contributions from people working the rest of it is in the funds so it was a three billion dollar

00:55:27.800 uh overpayment every year exactly so you take that money you invested wisely you cover all of

00:55:34.360 your pension obligations and from that funding and then you say okay that's now a stable pension fund

00:55:40.340 and it will grow i did the bit of the actuarial math to say okay run it out 20 years you know at

00:55:46.240 the rates we are now building inflation building aging population all those wonderful things it's

00:55:51.840 still a perfectly

00:55:52.520 viable fund for

00:55:53.940 Alberta.

00:55:54.920 If it is for

00:55:55.620 Canada, why

00:55:56.060 wouldn't it be for

00:55:56.520 Alberta?

00:55:56.720 Why would it not

00:55:57.380 be for Alberta?

00:55:58.540 Well, I'm going to

00:55:59.020 get to some

00:55:59.340 questions here.

00:55:59.980 This one I think

00:56:00.700 is really

00:56:00.940 interesting.

00:56:02.680 The question is

00:56:03.700 from Danielle and

00:56:06.020 she asks what

00:56:08.260 she says.

00:56:08.820 Is her last name

00:56:09.340 Smith, by the way?

00:56:10.440 Well, she said not

00:56:11.120 to use her last

00:56:11.700 name, so we'll

00:56:12.220 let people stew on

00:56:13.180 that one.

00:56:14.060 She says,

00:56:14.640 hello, I am not a

00:56:15.920 separatist, but I'm

00:56:16.700 listening to the

00:56:17.400 telethon in good

00:56:18.260 faith to better

00:56:18.800 understand the

00:56:19.400 situation, the

00:56:20.520 issue, and the

00:56:21.480 separatist

00:56:21.840 perspective. Well, thank you, Danielle, for watching. I appreciate that. That shows you

00:56:26.240 a responsible, civically engaged citizen. My question is, what provisions are there for

00:56:30.980 religious organizations in a separate Alberta? Will there be continued provisions for charitable

00:56:36.740 exemption in an Alberta tax structure? What about immigration exemptions for religious leaders

00:56:42.040 slash clergy via immigration to be able to come to Alberta and minister? What about

00:56:46.720 protections for religious based schools. That's a, it's a,

00:56:51.760 it's a opportunity question. What, what do you want? That's the point.

00:56:55.240 Yeah. We get to decide in our, in our constitution.

00:56:58.320 Well, and to answer the question directly in all three approaches,

00:57:02.480 Dr. Partey's, Matt Rowley's and mine,

00:57:05.340 all of them have at their core, very strong personal freedoms,

00:57:09.960 things like freedom of belief, freedom of religion,

00:57:12.460 freedom from religion as well, if you don't want to believe. And,

00:57:16.140 And that includes the ability to worship as you will, as long as you don't hurt anybody else, of course. And that's all in the structure. And we will decide that. In terms of immigration, whether it be for a pastor or a religious leader, I mean, that's subject to immigration law, which again, we craft here in Alberta.

00:57:33.900 and I think there always needs to be exemptions for special people.

00:57:39.100 If we have a sports team, we'll have the two best hockey clubs

00:57:41.940 in the world, in our country, so we probably want to bring in

00:57:44.880 the odd player from Finland or wherever it's from,

00:57:47.780 and yeah, there has to be some special carve-outs

00:57:49.540 for those kind of people, but generally, it's managed immigration,

00:57:53.460 only immigration for the good of the nation is what happens,

00:57:56.440 not just bring in what we used to do.

00:57:58.440 Yeah, what we used to do.

00:57:59.360 I mean, we actually went back in the Valley of Freedom.

00:58:00.860 We went back to the old Canadian point system.

00:58:03.260 I think it was 2003, which was held up roundly around the world

00:58:08.260 as being the best, most productive immigration system in the world.

00:58:13.960 It was a points-based system.

00:58:15.580 You got points for certain attributes and subject to quota.

00:58:19.240 There's a limit on the number of people that could come in.

00:58:21.480 And so what you did is you made sure that people that came in

00:58:23.920 fit the needs of the nation, were going to fit culturally and language-wise,

00:58:28.880 and going to actually belong and make themselves Canadian.

00:58:32.180 Quebec does that now, to some extent.

00:58:34.160 Exactly.

00:58:34.740 And I think that is the thing we always have to ask when immigration is, what does the country need?

00:58:41.560 Well, wait a minute, though, Dennis.

00:58:42.540 Isn't that racist?

00:58:44.500 I did not mention what color you were. 0.56

00:58:46.600 I just said, what does the country need in terms of skill set and talent?

00:58:50.740 My wife is mainland Chinese. 0.99

00:58:53.000 I really don't care.

00:58:54.420 This is the argument we get, though, and why I brought it up.

00:58:56.540 People, every time you mention immigration, they say you're a racist.

00:59:00.680 Well, no, no, I believe in preserving the values that made the country the place that people want to immigrate to, period.

00:59:05.660 Right?

00:59:05.860 And it doesn't matter what color you are, where you come from.

00:59:07.920 If you want to acknowledge freedom, you want to be prosperous through hard work and opportunity, come here.

00:59:14.120 Exactly.

00:59:14.660 Build with us, right?

00:59:15.700 Yeah.

00:59:15.880 Well, and I talked to some folks from India, my friend Prakash.

00:59:21.400 And anyway, he is grumpy and angry at the current state of immigration in Canada because he came in in the early 2000s, went through the point system, brought capital, worked his ass off, set up a company, is successful, done very, very well.

00:59:37.440 And he's angry because why are we letting these people in with no requirements and no desire to build the country? 0.99

00:59:45.360 And, you know, Prakash, I'm sorry, he's from India. 1.00

00:59:48.900 He doesn't look at all like me. 1.00

00:59:49.940 I'm a very pale-faced guy. 1.00

00:59:51.600 I thought you were from India.

00:59:52.740 Well, you know, I don't go out in the sun much.

00:59:55.240 Oh, yeah.

00:59:55.580 You know, part of the Whistle Stop is a convenience store.

00:59:59.980 And most of my suppliers, all but two, I guess now, are either from India or Lebanon.

01:00:06.180 And I've had this conversation about Alberta independence with them.

01:00:09.180 And some of them, they're not even citizens.

01:00:11.480 They're just here on temporary.

01:00:12.780 PRs, yeah.

01:00:13.440 Yeah. 1.00

01:00:14.760 They're completely choked at what's going on with immigration.

01:00:17.560 And the common comment is, if I could vote, I would be voting for independence because this is not, you know, we should be protecting what we have here.

01:00:28.540 Well, and as I said, my wife is mainland Chinese. 0.58

01:00:31.680 And if you want to get a rise out of her, just say, hey, immigration is fine the way it is in Canada right now. 1.00

01:00:37.680 She will go absolutely ballistic.

01:00:40.380 I think I maybe will skip that one.

01:00:43.080 Okay, next question.

01:00:44.240 This one's from Dale.

01:00:44.980 Dale says, lots have been said about, and by the way, folks, these aren't screened or censored or anything.

01:00:52.320 I'm just reading them as they come.

01:00:54.640 Lots has been said about transfer of assets and control over resources and the Constitution.

01:01:00.000 When or how are the laws like C-22, C-9, and others subject to change and not hang over the heads of Albertans?

01:01:06.660 Well, that's an easy one.

01:01:07.640 That's immediately.

01:01:08.440 Yeah.

01:01:08.800 Immediately.

01:01:09.740 What happens if the Clarity Act is not negotiated in good faith

01:01:12.560 and is vetoed or stymied by Ottawa or provincial challenges?

01:01:16.660 Three words.

01:01:18.400 We're not asking.

01:01:20.920 Exactly.

01:01:21.800 It blows my mind.

01:01:23.360 The Clarity Act is the legal pathway that Canada would prefer Alberta use

01:01:28.580 or any province use to secede from Confederation.

01:01:32.040 That's a preference.

01:01:33.280 It is not a requirement.

01:01:34.540 under no circumstance in any time in history

01:01:38.440 has a nation that has split from their parent nation

01:01:41.280 been subject to do it only by the laws of the parent nation.

01:01:43.820 Exactly.

01:01:44.420 It does not work like that.

01:01:45.640 And certainly not the courts thereof.

01:01:47.280 Certainly not the courts.

01:01:48.360 The entire premise of an independent Alberta,

01:01:51.100 for me, would be this in a nutshell.

01:01:53.220 I completely reject the Canadian Constitution

01:01:55.820 and the Canadian system of governance,

01:01:58.000 and I want Albertans to create their own.

01:02:00.260 Yes.

01:02:00.700 Period.

01:02:01.400 That means that the Clarity Act, to me,

01:02:02.960 is almost irrelevant.

01:02:05.580 And as a matter of fact,

01:02:06.540 it's irrelevant to Quebec as well.

01:02:07.820 Quebec, when the Clarity Act came out,

01:02:10.180 they passed a law that said

01:02:11.820 they will never use it.

01:02:12.720 They reject it on its face.

01:02:14.200 Done.

01:02:15.100 Over and done with.

01:02:15.720 Because they live their sovereignty

01:02:17.580 and they would never ask permission.

01:02:19.360 And I don't believe Alberta would either.

01:02:21.040 However, you know,

01:02:22.060 it is nice to believe

01:02:23.300 that we could use this legal pathway

01:02:25.480 to achieve our self-determination.

01:02:28.140 But it may not work that way.

01:02:29.480 But having said that,

01:02:30.320 I mean, I am quite content

01:02:31.840 to try and work within the rules exactly say that laid out as best we can as long as everybody

01:02:37.440 understands this is not a well we're asking for for permission pretty pretty please and if you

01:02:43.040 say no well we're done we are going to leave if we win the referendum we are going to set up our

01:02:47.920 own country we would like it to be civil and reasonable and based upon good conversation

01:02:54.320 and good negotiation but if the other party refuses to hold to that standard we will pursue

01:02:59.840 things unilaterally and we have every right uh the international community recognizes the right

01:03:07.280 to self-determination yes and it's uh you know internationally not every nation agrees on

01:03:13.380 everything but that's one thing that most civilized nations agree on yes self-determination

01:03:17.560 uh what happens to the joint provincial federal pipelines and other deals that are being made

01:03:22.960 in the mou presented by carney well this is assuming that those happen and they happened

01:03:28.080 before, but let's just pretend that it happens tomorrow. What about things like that? Any joint

01:03:33.440 provincial federal business case? Well, I mean, this is what negotiation is about. The feds are

01:03:38.760 going to say, take the Trans Mountain Pipeline. We invested a ridiculous sum to do way too much

01:03:44.220 money, different topic, but let's pretend it's 34 billion. I think it is. We'll say, okay, you

01:03:48.700 invested that amount. We're going to use that pipeline to ship our product to the sea. There's

01:03:53.640 a tolling arrangement. We're going to pay for the use of that pipe. We owned part of it. So we get

01:03:58.500 something back for that. Let's work out the deal that says, okay, you get to recover your part of

01:04:03.500 the investment. We get our part of the investment. You know, it's like any other country. It's just

01:04:08.560 like when we ship stuff to the Southern States right now through the American system, we pay

01:04:13.680 tolls. Why would it be any different? And the other thing people forget is that a federal asset,

01:04:19.780 So Alberta owns 15% of federal assets as well, right?

01:04:23.020 So it's not like we only own what's in our border.

01:04:25.300 We own 15% of that and we own 15% of that.

01:04:27.800 So that's a negotiation.

01:04:28.540 Well, and I've made the case more than once.

01:04:30.500 People say, well, yeah, what about the parks?

01:04:31.980 What about military bases?

01:04:33.440 I go, well, I'm willing to exchange my 15% of the military bases, parks, and federal facilities in the rest of Canada for a 100% ownership of those equivalent facilities within the borders of Alberta.

01:04:46.960 Let's call that a deal.

01:04:47.820 And by the way, my advice to Canada, take it fast because it's really in your favor.

01:04:52.280 Yeah, absolutely.

01:04:53.380 That's one of the things that, one of the trifold documents that we produce at Let's Talk Alberta,

01:04:58.600 was show me the other half of the ledger.

01:05:00.280 You know, we're always talking about this.

01:05:01.540 What about the national parks?

01:05:02.560 What about the military bases?

01:05:03.640 And we forget, or people forget, to ask the other question on the other side,

01:05:07.800 what about the assets that we own in other provinces?

01:05:10.380 And this stuff all has to be considered, not just the ones.

01:05:12.640 Well, same with the national debt.

01:05:13.760 I mean, that question comes up a lot as well.

01:05:15.880 And you go, okay, but back to your other side of the ledger, what proportion of that debt incurred had benefits that accrued to Alberta?

01:05:25.400 If you put all that money or a bunch of that money into stuff in Newfoundland or stuff in Quebec, well, that's very nice.

01:05:32.360 But by the way, we're not going to take on the debt related to that.

01:05:35.280 So I think the debt will not be the 15%, 12%, whatever the per capita percentage is.

01:05:40.860 It's going to be something less.

01:05:42.980 And yeah, we'll take that on.

01:05:43.820 That's our obligation.

01:05:44.600 We'll take it on.

01:05:45.060 Yeah. It's like, you know, you're moving out of your parents' house. They've racked up a ridiculous amount of debt without you being able to do anything about it, without it really benefiting you. And then when you move out, they say, hey, you got to pay part of this debt back.

01:05:57.040 Right.

01:05:57.220 It doesn't work that way. And considering that Alberta has contributed, you know, something like $600 billion before inflation adjustment to Confederation, I think we're starting off in a pretty good negotiating position.

01:06:09.140 Yeah.

01:06:09.500 if you consider both sides of the ledger.

01:06:12.660 Unfortunately, some don't, including our premier.

01:06:14.440 Our premier went public and said,

01:06:16.920 hey, it's going to cost us $400 billion.

01:06:18.640 It's going to cost $60 billion a year.

01:06:20.420 She talked about that one side of the ledger, not the other.

01:06:22.960 And that's actually what motivated me to write that document.

01:06:26.120 And she mixed all sorts of things up.

01:06:27.960 She mixed up initial capital costs

01:06:30.100 with increased operating costs of the actual units.

01:06:33.260 And then the actual money dispersed as part of those programs.

01:06:36.740 and you know i like to think because i do like danielle i like to think if she could say that

01:06:42.340 over again she'd say something different but now it's out there in the wild and i think it's a

01:06:46.260 ridiculous statement well it worked out good because it motivated me to do something so i

01:06:49.700 spent a couple days doing some research and producing a document and now it's uh in in red

01:06:53.880 deer alone uh there's a group there they distributed 20 000 good of these things in the city of red

01:06:58.620 deer we've got them going all over alberta it's absolutely amazing so folks folks if you want to

01:07:02.780 support that, please do. But remember, this particular telethon is purpose-built to support

01:07:10.440 the work that the TPAs are doing. You can find the list of TPAs at albertatelethon.com.

01:07:16.740 Go to the website. You can click on the link of the TPA that you wish to donate to. And when you

01:07:22.660 do, remember that the top three of those TPAs, the top three amounts of donation for three of those,

01:07:29.020 I'm going to match that dollar for dollar up to my remainder of my maximum allowable under the elections finance rule.

01:07:35.920 What else have we got here?

01:07:37.560 There's quite a few questions in this one email.

01:07:39.320 So let's try and get through them really quickly before we run out of time.

01:07:43.800 How would an independent or move towards independence defend itself from a Canadian army 0.99

01:07:51.280 that is now becoming a greater percentage of foreign nationals without Canadian culture or tradition? 0.99

01:07:56.400 Well, let me put this. 0.99

01:07:58.260 We are going from the assumption that Canada will follow the law.

01:08:03.280 They are not going to take military action against us,

01:08:06.780 neither the Americans for that matter.

01:08:08.900 First of all, play this scenario out. 1.00

01:08:11.160 Let's say Canada was so foolish as to do such a thing. 0.99

01:08:15.140 Do you think the Americans would stand by idly? 1.00

01:08:17.320 Absolutely.

01:08:18.240 I told them we have oil.

01:08:19.140 Yeah, we've got their oil.

01:08:20.800 Remember, they want to buy our oil and they want to have it protected.

01:08:23.720 This is a big part of their supply.

01:08:25.260 they are not going to let the canadian army come in and try and impose a police state so the option

01:08:31.320 makes no sense and um you know so i think you have to stand back and say no canada will not invade 0.67

01:08:38.620 they will not try and do such things and we're going to end up with just like the czech uh

01:08:44.560 separation it will be the velvet separation where i think we go probably with a few bruised feelings

01:08:50.920 and so forth, but generally in a peaceable

01:08:53.120 fashion. Yeah. One thing

01:08:55.040 I like to do, and we have to do, when people

01:08:56.980 ask me a question about what, for instance,

01:08:59.280 military. What if the Canadian military

01:09:00.900 and how are you going to defend yourself? I say,

01:09:02.820 how do we defend ourselves now? Yes.

01:09:04.600 As a Canadian, are you comfortable

01:09:06.440 with our ability to defend ourselves?

01:09:08.900 I'm not. No. We rely on other

01:09:11.060 nations to defend ourselves. I have a friend

01:09:12.960 whose son is, he's on

01:09:15.000 a submarine out of Esquimalt

01:09:16.480 in British Columbia. And that sub

01:09:18.940 spent two years in dry dock it's two years they finally get it out to sea it lit on fire they

01:09:23.800 brought it back had to do a bunch more repairs they brought it out to sea again something happened

01:09:27.440 they had to tow it back and fix it like our if you want if you're concerned about your nation

01:09:33.640 defending you you should be pursuing an independent alberta where you could actually have some input

01:09:38.940 on what our military looks like yeah and how it functions right now we can't and alberta has not

01:09:44.480 been able to do a darn thing about the systematic destruction of our military in this nation that

01:09:50.480 was started by Pierre Elliott Trudeau in the 70s.

01:09:52.640 Yeah.

01:09:52.940 Nothing, we could do nothing about it.

01:09:54.480 Well, and Pierre has done a bunch of bad things, changing topics.

01:09:58.380 Matt Rowley actually brought this to my attention.

01:10:01.440 I never realized before that when Pierre Trudeau set up the charter and so forth, he actually

01:10:08.500 change the basis of government from parliament supreme to the courts being supreme and there's

01:10:15.460 that that one major change that has allowed the courts to change our laws refuse laws and block

01:10:21.540 laws that the courts don't like and those kinds of changes have permitted a lot of these things to

01:10:27.940 happen like the evisceration of our military and imposition of all sorts of crazy laws so

01:10:33.780 So when we say we want a new constitution, it's not just, well, we want to have our own, that, but also to get rid of the wrongs that are plaguing Canada right now.

01:10:46.180 Well, I see Max over there and he's doing something like this.

01:10:49.180 I don't know what that means.

01:10:49.980 Maybe it means he can't breathe or something.

01:10:51.640 Maybe he's asking me if I needed water because I was choking.

01:10:53.960 Well, I think it's five minutes to six.

01:10:55.560 Oh, it's five minutes to six.

01:10:56.640 Okay.

01:10:56.840 So I guess we're going to have to wrap it up.

01:10:58.240 Well, I'm going to leave you with this, folks.

01:11:01.720 I'll tell you what Alberta independence means to me.

01:11:03.780 Alberta independence isn't some magical switch that we're going to flip that makes everything

01:11:09.860 okay. It's not a switch that's going to solve all of our problems. What it is, is it is the most

01:11:15.020 amazing opportunity and potential blessing that we will see in our lifetimes. We are part

01:11:20.940 of a movement that may result in people being able to self-determine who haven't been able to

01:11:27.940 as of yet. And if you look at the way our elections work and things like that, Alberta has

01:11:35.400 never truly been able to influence the laws under which it's governed. We haven't. And this is the

01:11:42.260 opportunity we have. So when you consider how you're going to support this movement or what

01:11:48.900 your place is in it, just consider that. Consider what it means to be part of a group and part of a

01:11:56.460 time where we get we get to do that and we get to do it without lifting a weapon we don't have to

01:12:02.460 well I mean some people get beat up a little bit whatever but we don't have to go fight a war and

01:12:07.640 it's right there in front of us so this is it's worth making small sacrifices of your time

01:12:13.680 attending events talking to people trying to chip away at the stigma of of the independence

01:12:19.280 conversation and also financially if if people aren't willing to open their wallets and financially

01:12:25.520 support the independence movement it just won't happen no right that's it that's the sad state

01:12:30.160 of things so so please consider supporting um again it is albertatelethon.com there's some

01:12:35.960 links there you can click on your favorite tpa i'm hoping that john can let me know uh what the

01:12:41.140 top three were before i am on my way and then i will announce which ones they were and how much

01:12:46.800 i'm going to donate so the more you donate now the more of uh my money you get to donate as well so

01:12:52.400 perfect and yeah thank you very much dennis it was a fantastic finally meeting you and thank you

01:12:57.260 for all your hard work for alberta and for thank you as well now what do we do i'm with tanya

01:13:03.180 clemens keith wilson let alberta decide and we're at the amazing stampede uh breakfast uh just at

01:13:09.920 the sunday before the telethon and congratulations this was a remarkable event i think you had a

01:13:14.700 thousand people out here today yeah we sold out real fast and uh just shows the level of momentum

01:13:19.980 and support in the movement uh it's real uh the you know you you saw the the cross section of

01:13:26.360 society who is here today of all backgrounds all ethnicities uh all you know places in life

01:13:32.760 and the support's real it's growing uh albertans know that we can do better and uh we're we're

01:13:40.620 going to build on this to even uh take further campaign steps we're going to be rolling out our

01:13:45.540 large sign campaign to counter some of these larger red red and white signs we're seeing

01:13:50.740 particularly in the calgary area and we're really excited about the turnout today jenny i think it's

01:13:56.040 about three weeks ago when you really kicked this thing off right and of course there's some

01:13:59.960 nervousness when that kind of thing happens but how has it progressed for you so far i i mean i'm

01:14:05.540 seeing amazing momentum as keith said yeah well the support has been pretty incredible uh as to

01:14:10.940 We've raised approximately a quarter of a million dollars in our TPAs.

01:14:14.940 So that was one of the leading TPAs in Alberta history.

01:14:17.940 The support that we have for people that come out and have conversations with us and send us information and chat with us is immense.

01:14:25.940 You know, Keith, I said when I was on stage, thank you, by the way, for having me emcee this today.

01:14:29.940 It was just an honour to be here.

01:14:31.940 You know, I said, I'm here among friends.

01:14:33.940 And the other thing I noticed was there were a lot of other third party advertisers who showed up today.

01:14:38.940 day yeah really it's really a team effort here even though you're doing your thing they're doing

01:14:43.760 their thing it's just remarkable how everybody's working towards this goal yeah like the other

01:14:48.660 third-party advertisers are spontaneous you know it was not a coordinated effort there's new ones

01:14:53.980 forming all the time you know i see uh you know like a veterans for freedom and albertans for

01:14:58.820 freedom uh and many other groups and everybody's got a role uh we've got so many forces against us

01:15:05.340 With the federal government having unlimited resources to try and scare Albertans and use their fear campaign, with the state forces are so well financed, they have the legacy media to rely on.

01:15:19.460 So this is grassroots, but what we're trying to do, Tanya and I, with Let Alberta Decide is take a more sophisticated approach that is really focused on persuading those who are not yet prepared to vote for independence and build a new future.

01:15:35.340 outside of canada and a new relationship with canada for alberta uh that's what we're focused

01:15:41.660 on we're really going to be focusing on the cities as well because we have a lot of support as people

01:15:45.820 know throughout rural alberta where our growth potential is is an imperative is in the cities

01:15:51.500 it needs a different kind of messaging some different techniques and that's what we're

01:15:55.180 implementing you know i heard uh i heard keith uh tanya earlier talking about these little

01:15:59.500 people who sit on his shoulders one says why aren't you on the golf course keith and this

01:16:03.500 one's telling i'm with tanya clemens keith wilson let alberta decide and we're at the

01:16:07.900 amazing limited resources to try and scare albertans then you look at the importance

01:16:12.540 of what it's going to mean to our children that's what really is driving all of us

01:16:15.740 we've spent so many generations trying to build alberta up every generation and leave something

01:16:20.220 better and more prosperous for the next generations and now we're at this point where that's not going

01:16:24.540 to happen where our children are not going to be as better off as us it's not going to have as much

01:16:28.300 opportunity and that's really disheartening we don't want that for them so this is our big chance

01:16:33.260 to do it this is our big question that's going to be asked and albertans need to really be engaged

01:16:36.780 and think seriously about the outcome of this well congratulations on a great day i'm looking

01:16:41.740 forward to the next three months it's going to be really exciting all the best to you and if

01:16:46.060 you'd like to support let alberta decide albertatelethon.com click on the link you stood on

01:16:53.100 those stone hi guys uh mike from the critical compass here we are live from the edmonton studio

01:16:59.100 thank you for joining us it's been um a pretty amazing day so far um we've got uh we've got mr

01:17:05.820 alberton uh or mr alberta he's uh he was uh hello on the qe2 on the way here so

01:17:14.460 welcome sir yeah it's great to be here excited that we are now officially opening up the edmonton

01:17:20.140 portion of the live stream which is of course the better portion at least the more the more northern

01:17:24.940 one the more northern one edmonton the last great say we actually have something we uh

01:17:30.220 oh you don't have it dang never mind all right it was a little peace offering to all the

01:17:34.380 unfortunate calgary flames fans that are joining us but uh we'll maybe it'll join us we'll save it

01:17:38.860 for later yeah yeah so for those of you don't know me i'm mr alberta i am a guy who's up here

01:17:44.060 in edmonton blue collar worker who has a lot of fun making fun of the liberals and having a good

01:17:49.100 time with that stuff i've been uh in alberta on one side of my family for over 100 years and the

01:17:53.260 and the other side is immigrants.

01:17:54.760 So I have a little bit of a taste of both worlds, 0.94

01:17:57.540 and we're here doing a joint stream with Critical Mike.

01:18:00.920 Critical Mike, yeah.

01:18:02.700 I guess maybe I'll say my background.

01:18:04.880 I mean, like, I'm a...

01:18:06.080 We looked this up one time.

01:18:07.620 The Americans and the Canadians say it differently

01:18:09.360 if you're a first or a second generation Canadian or American.

01:18:13.220 In the U.S., you'd be a first generation

01:18:15.500 if your parents emigrated and then you were born.

01:18:19.240 You would be considered a first generation.

01:18:20.700 In Canada, some people say that the parents emigrating are first generation,

01:18:24.860 and then the children are second generation.

01:18:26.500 So I'm either a first or a second generation Canadian.

01:18:29.620 So my family comes from the Middle East and from South America.

01:18:34.160 And so, yeah, I've, until, you know, not too long ago, was a very proud Canadian. 0.70

01:18:40.300 And I've, you know, unfortunately, we've seen nothing but Canadiana kind of die.

01:18:46.480 so it's uh i'm happy to identify as an albertan and uh yeah this is very cool so i'm glad that

01:18:53.600 we have such cool guests with us today yeah maybe we'll maybe we'll zip it on over to uh

01:18:59.280 mr wilkinson beside you yeah so here we have with us today first is uh john so tell us who are you

01:19:05.360 absolutely thanks mr alberta thanks mike for having us on and what an amazing day so far

01:19:10.000 with the telethon with the support coming in from across the province uh huge numbers and

01:19:14.880 we've been seeing them as well so thank you first of all for the donations i am the lead and the

01:19:20.160 primary contact with united alberta flags one of the registered tpas that's on the page and

01:19:25.200 part of the telephone we thank you for your support so far today at all of the different

01:19:29.200 activities and we thank you for helping us paint the province blue our team has been out in parades

01:19:35.200 we have been out handing out flags little ones and i've got a couple here for you guys just for

01:19:39.840 setting up all the work that it took just to get going and some alberta independent custom stickers

01:19:45.920 that we had 10 000 printed these are going out all over the place but this isn't even what it's

01:19:50.400 about this is about getting people ready to paint the province blue so that everybody remembers to

01:19:56.560 vote for option two it's a nice little thing it works really well i know there might have been

01:20:01.840 some thought behind this so yeah united alberta flags we are actively involved in community events

01:20:07.760 in helping get people not afraid to fly the Alberta flag anymore.

01:20:12.000 Because, of course, as we have these discussions about independence,

01:20:16.200 we have people that have obviously made up their minds, we've had other people that have

01:20:19.960 obviously made up their minds against it, and what we're actually trying to do is engage

01:20:24.240 in the conversation with the hearts and the minds of the undecided voters in the province.

01:20:28.560 People are afraid. What Canada has become isn't the Canada we grew up in.

01:20:33.160 That's true. Right? I love Canada. I've worked across the country, 0.95

01:20:36.840 I've traveled across the country I have family across the country but it's not

01:20:40.920 what it once was and we're not just talking about equalization we're not

01:20:44.880 just talking about the cost of living and the cost of food we're talking about

01:20:48.060 values we're talking about orientation we're talking about integrity we're

01:20:51.600 talking about a federal government that's off the rails and so as we do

01:20:55.620 that that's what our goal is with our TPA today and the donations help it

01:21:00.000 continue to grow that's what we're here for today we've got an announcement we'll

01:21:03.900 wait a little bit here it's I know some of my followers some of our followers on

01:21:07.680 our accounts have been

01:21:14.780 teased a little bit today that we've got really thrilled to be able to be here

01:21:17.520 and be part of advancing a cause that's gonna make a difference in our future

01:21:21.400 generations in our kids in our grandkids in what Alberta can be people don't need

01:21:26.340 to be afraid to fly the flag yeah well said yeah I'd like to touch on a couple

01:21:32.220 things you said actually but first we want to introduce phil okay yeah so phil uh gamash right

01:21:38.280 uh i've been uh involved uh when right from it'd probably be um sometime in october right and got

01:21:46.500 involved with the whole movement and uh so a little history behind me my family's been here

01:21:51.380 since 1653 when was new france oh right we've seen a lot of changes over those times you had

01:21:56.260 to make some rough decisions right and then those rough decisions you know some you know

01:22:00.360 feelings will get hurt loyalties will be bent but the whole thing he's got to

01:22:04.360 come back to okay what's best for our family and our future and I think that's

01:22:09.300 what really struck a chord with me in this movement and some people call me

01:22:15.180 super volunteer but there's a lot of super volunteers out there right he is a

01:22:18.960 super volunteer for the record but yeah so I'm proud to be about you know helping

01:22:24.720 in this whole cause and very excited for our future and the education that it you

01:22:30.180 know, behind it is what, you know, I think will make the difference. Absolutely. Awesome. So having

01:22:37.120 you here has been pretty cool. And it's really funny for me, because I remember last year, up

01:22:41.280 until like, last summer, yeah, the Alberta independence movement was always fighting over

01:22:46.500 the flags. We come up with new flags, then everyone argue about it. No, we can't have a North Star in

01:22:52.320 it. No, no blue. People still hate the St. George's cross for some reason. Yeah, there's lots of

01:22:58.380 discussion on different pieces yeah but then at the in last summer a crazy thing happened where

01:23:02.960 some forever canadian guy i think his name is uh copland or something sean copland goes to

01:23:08.900 a medicine hat safeway and freaks out at the manager because they had an alberta flag with

01:23:15.260 displayed over alberta beef and he went so far as to make the manager take it down and like what

01:23:20.460 we didn't know is that as soon as he

01:23:28.380 really upset about that ever since and you know that just recently happened as

01:23:32.840 well I saw on social media last week up in the Edmonton market here where we

01:23:35.900 are I believe it's just over on the West End there are retailers that are

01:23:40.900 supporting the Alberta economy they're supporting the Alberta sales and like

01:23:45.540 anything else so you buy something from Germany they put a German flag in the

01:23:48.720 cheese bin you buy Swiss cheese it's got a Swiss there's Alberta products and

01:23:52.360 Alberta producers that we should all be supporting that somehow a certain

01:23:57.100 segment of our population won't support because they themselves are politicizing the flag the

01:24:02.140 flag that we have that's behind us we hand out parade flags we've hand out household flags we

01:24:07.040 hand out three by fives bigger ones like this and we're going to go even bigger very shortly

01:24:11.320 they are universal every albertan it doesn't matter 10 years ago doesn't matter if you

01:24:17.560 supported ndp or conservatives alberta was your flag it didn't matter if you lived on a reservation

01:24:22.140 and a first nations community up in fort chippewan or downtown calgary alberta was your flag

01:24:27.300 You're Albertan.

01:24:28.320 Your flag is Alberta.

01:24:29.560 It doesn't matter.

01:24:30.380 And when we're talking about a jurisdictional issue,

01:24:33.360 like independence for the province of Alberta,

01:24:35.920 there is only one flag, and that is the Alberta flag.

01:24:38.440 It's the flag that you fly, that I fly,

01:24:40.060 that everybody all around us flies.

01:24:42.420 There shouldn't be an issue at Safeway,

01:24:43.800 and there shouldn't be an issue in somebody's front yard.

01:24:47.420 It's funny how people...

01:24:49.800 It depends on the political winds of the day, doesn't it?

01:24:52.960 It does.

01:24:53.400 How people view flags.

01:24:54.360 Because I don't know about you guys,

01:24:55.600 But I'm old enough to remember all the way back in 2020 and 2021 when the Canadian flag was a hate symbol, right?

01:25:04.420 And now it's a symbol of a whole, you know, it's unity again.

01:25:08.020 So isn't that funny how just in a matter of a few years the winds can blow?

01:25:11.480 It's only a subset of the community that likes to play games with our symbols.

01:25:16.720 But they're also playing games with our futures.

01:25:18.520 and Albertans right now I think not only are fed enough fed up but have also

01:25:23.920 realized what those games are right right now we're talking about BC putting

01:25:29.020 royalties on our pipelines on our oil well that's never happened before that's

01:25:33.460 not a unified country you know we chose the name as a third-party advertiser and

01:25:38.320 we are engaged in this campaign and we chose United Alberta to directly

01:25:43.600 contradict not to contradict but to come up against what at that time Danielle

01:25:47.860 smith and the prime minister and others were saying well we're going to have a strong alberta

01:25:52.900 in a united canada there's no such thing as a united canada anymore and there hasn't been

01:25:57.460 in a generation or more so if you're going to play on the games here i can tell you i think on october

01:26:03.860 19th we'll have a united alberta that's voting for option two we're going to help make that possible

01:26:10.100 by strengthening people's resolve helping to educate them and helping them to fall in love

01:26:14.500 with their provincial symbols again that's why we're getting flags out in the last two weeks

01:26:19.540 we've got out over 4 000 flags at different events of different sizes yesterday we picked up another

01:26:24.420 order of 5 000 flags that are coming in and we've got the little parade flags that go on out we've

01:26:30.420 got three by fives that go up on houses we've got these big ones and i guess i'll throw it out now

01:26:34.900 on the way down here i had a long meeting we've been announced on rebel news a couple of weeks

01:26:40.260 ago that we want to do big ones but here's part of the problem we couldn't find a manufacturer

01:26:45.620 for the flagpoles here without going to the states or going to nova scotia now in a normal

01:26:51.700 environment yeah we could look at those things but i really want to support local we met with

01:26:57.460 and started the conversation and started the deal today with a manufacturer here in the province

01:27:02.420 that's going to manufacture us 100 foot flagpoles that we're going to put up 20 by 30 foot alberta

01:27:09.300 flags on around the province your donations can help make a difference to fund these up and down

01:27:15.380 highway two up and down highway one and up and down highway three they're not the same price

01:27:21.140 category as these so feel free to donate up to five thousand dollars we are tracking absolutely

01:27:26.160 everything in mc yeah you can go to unitedalbertaflags.com today right now we can take e-transfer

01:27:33.200 we can take credit card it's all set up and it's rolling we've seen so far today that we've already

01:27:37.400 brought in five thousand or more and we're greatly greatly we really

01:27:42.060 appreciate it we're so thankful for that because it helps make this possible and

01:27:45.800 it helps strengthen Alberta all the way across so five grand how many Alberta

01:27:49.700 flakes does that get well we buy them in bulk so it's not really a retail price

01:27:54.080 right depending on the size and depending on what we're using them for

01:27:59.020 the big ones here these are going to be two and a half three thousand dollars

01:28:03.020 a piece these we're getting for cheaper than probably most people want to know

01:28:06.920 because there's other people that are still buying them for different events.

01:28:09.320 So we make very good use of wholesalers and bulk agreements in the province

01:28:16.240 to help make the biggest impact that we can

01:28:18.540 so that we can distribute at an efficient level

01:28:21.380 and make sure that we're getting out to all of the requests.

01:28:23.960 When I came into town today, I stopped at a house and a volunteer.

01:28:28.120 Somebody had asked for them here in Sherwood Park all across the province.

01:28:30.800 We've been to Calgary. We've been to Pinocchio. We've been to Edmonton.

01:28:32.840 We're traveling all over and distributing them.

01:28:35.600 But, you know, really it's about changing people's hearts too.

01:28:38.760 One thing that I did before we got to the studio,

01:28:40.860 and I had a parade this morning, I had a flag drop-off,

01:28:43.780 we had another meeting, I had a 20-minute window,

01:28:46.360 and our truck needed an oil change.

01:28:48.560 I went to the local Jiffy Lube real quick,

01:28:52.680 just going through while I was sorting things out on the phone.

01:28:54.920 Three guys there, two young guys and an old guy,

01:28:57.620 and they saw the truck come in with United Alberta flags on it.

01:29:00.840 First thing that happened, somebody followed me off the highway

01:29:03.280 because of the logo and pulled in behind not for an oil change but they had seen the logo and they

01:29:07.360 asked for a flag it was unbelievable the guys were laughing and then I had to be on the phone

01:29:12.280 because I was actually talking to James it's already some different things out the guys do

01:29:16.560 the oil change and they come up they go you're helping with independence right I said yeah

01:29:21.480 absolutely they just exploded with joy we can't talk to anybody I can't bring this up at home

01:29:26.440 I can't talk to my parents about it can I take something I said yeah absolutely here have flags

01:29:32.380 have stickers handing them out they're thrilled to bits one of them is midlife same age as me

01:29:38.260 he's working there can't get a house we were talking about the economy and the taxes and

01:29:41.600 what's happened to Canada over the last year breaks my heart to see what's happened to

01:29:46.300 Canada as a whole and Albertans living within that the cost of living that's going up the food

01:29:51.720 that's going up all of these things that are going up we've got to push back against it we've got to

01:29:56.940 recognize that it's not just an answer about equalization it's about are you proud to be in

01:30:01.420 Albertan are you proud to fly the flag right so what do we pay for the flags

01:30:06.400 less than you will which means we can efficiently distribute them across the

01:30:11.260 province in a way that can make a difference perfect yeah honestly I think

01:30:16.240 anyone here who's gone to buy an Alberta flag recently they've seen how

01:30:20.800 expensive they become they're hard to get I remember I was up in a white

01:30:24.400 court there and I walked into their home hardware and it was literally either a

01:30:29.020 canadian flag for 20 bucks or an alberban flag for 54 bucks and that's just how crazy expensive

01:30:35.500 it's become it's funny that you mentioned that i posted up on social media on our uh on our x

01:30:41.180 account i don't think it's on the facebook but on the x account we actually ran into an interesting

01:30:45.100 spot about a month ago at the wetasquin canadian tire where the alberta flags were at 20 regular

01:30:53.340 price and they were totally sold out and the canadian flags were on sale at nine dollars and

01:30:57.580 the rack was full so it depends on the community that you're going to people will pay more to stand 0.86

01:31:02.380 up for truth and integrity yeah then they will to fall for the schluck that's just coming out from

01:31:07.580 ottawa these days yeah yeah phil what's your uh in your experience as a volunteer what's your um

01:31:15.260 read on how people are feeling about the alberta flag so i was really surprised

01:31:19.100 right uh the excitement the energy that people came up they were happy to sign you know uh

01:31:24.780 and they would ask questions and at the time we couldn't answer but you know we

01:31:31.100 said you know you can find it online and look here look there right and so

01:31:35.820 people were really excited about the fact that we're finally gonna see some

01:31:39.540 change and we had some schoolgirls come into I'll say his name into Harvey Jan's

01:31:49.500 place right he was the one holding the office where you could come sign and so 0.99

01:31:54.620 these three girls come in from the high school right and you know they think they're just going 0.99

01:31:58.360 to be there for me for five ten minutes so do we right they wound up spending an hour with us

01:32:02.860 because they were so excited they were like sponges learning exactly what you know alberta

01:32:07.860 had gone through uh what we you know how it was formed right how we are calling in a colony

01:32:13.140 right and they didn't understand what that meant and so we went on forever but that was just you

01:32:18.200 know one experience and then uh other canvassers or sorry not yeah canvassers right basically going

01:32:24.840 out getting the signatures they you know they came back with stories right one lady came up to

01:32:29.440 this one fellow and he says you know i'm never going to sign right and i just want to know why

01:32:33.600 you're here and so he explained his look i make uh i think i make what is it uh just under $800

01:32:39.300 and i have to pay taxes on that right then my my old age security i get some more on it but not

01:32:46.460 very much maybe four hundred dollars whatever it was right the way because the way he had set up but

01:32:50.740 in the end he says you know what when alberta becomes its own independent country right we're

01:32:57.320 going to have the money to increase you know if you're already in a pension you're already you're

01:33:00.640 already going to be increasing your ways your uh old age security right so and so that being said

01:33:08.520 right she said okay i'll sign so it was a real quick quick thing right and you know uh we then

01:33:15.140 we had some people that were really, you know, not friendly, and we got a lot of birds, right?

01:33:19.800 But what we quickly learned is everything's about attitude, right? And so when these people would

01:33:24.340 flip us the bird or whatever, we just smile and wave, right? Because we know everybody has their

01:33:29.500 own opinion, and they have the right to that opinion. But the whole thing is we're here because

01:33:32.740 we're bringing attention to what needs to be changed, you know, in this province, right? And

01:33:37.840 And being around people that are like-minded, it just lifts your soul.

01:33:45.460 And it encourages you just to do more, right?

01:33:50.880 And so I don't think I've ever been this dedicated to anything, right?

01:33:55.720 And it's basically because I see a future for not only my children but my grandchildren, right?

01:34:00.980 I want to see them have that bright future.

01:34:03.160 and what really stands out to me is the excitement behind the likeness of the Boston Tea Party and

01:34:10.580 their independence because they had taxation without representation and that's what we have

01:34:14.700 here taxation without representation and I think it was uh McDonald and Laurier our premiers at

01:34:22.080 the time our prime ministers at the time Laurier actually came out and said that Alberta is

01:34:29.500 canada's first colony right and so once you learn all this stuff you realize okay yeah maybe it's

01:34:35.580 time we you know say i'm glad you have your views over there but our views are different

01:34:40.540 and it's time to take care of ourselves right yeah and speaking about change change isn't only

01:34:46.220 a uh a means of adjusting and growing over time but it's also a synonym for money isn't it

01:34:52.380 And that's just why we're here.

01:34:55.660 So if we head to Alberta, plug your site again?

01:35:02.180 Yeah, absolutely.

01:35:04.040 UnitedAlbertaFlags.com.

01:35:05.360 Yes.

01:35:05.780 And on there, we can take Interact.

01:35:08.360 We can take Visa, credit card, MasterCard, whatever works for you, honestly.

01:35:14.020 Because at this point, it's a matter of there are a lot of people that are volunteering.

01:35:18.740 There are a lot of people that are putting in the time and the effort.

01:35:20.760 but it takes money to also make that happen it takes money to get the signs for the lawn signs

01:35:25.780 for Jason's for Corey for Keith for Tara for the different TPAs that are working takes money to get

01:35:31.900 the flags out there we are all pouring our hearts and our souls into this because as you just said

01:35:38.700 we're absolutely committed this is about not just us this is about the next generation this is about

01:35:43.620 the future of Albertans and honestly the future of Canadians too because I think it'll be a good

01:35:48.060 thing for Canada. We've gotten ourselves into a pretty awkward spot where that's the spot but

01:35:52.440 so for our third party advertiser to help make a difference yeah unitedalbertaflags.com otherwise

01:35:58.460 if you go to albertatelephone.com as well all of the different TPAs that are being supported

01:36:04.020 there's a drop down menu they made a fantastic little website over the last couple days we've

01:36:08.300 been part of the behind the scenes conversations and know how much work some of these people have

01:36:11.940 put in it's remarkable so remember though when you do fill out on ours or any of the TPA sites

01:36:17.840 or on the Alberta Telethon.

01:36:20.200 All of your personal information is required.

01:36:22.340 You have to be a resident of Alberta.

01:36:24.820 We do know of some TPAs that are going out of province,

01:36:27.860 but the rest of us, we love Alberta and we love Albertans.

01:36:30.820 So we're going to stick with Albertans

01:36:32.240 and we're going to stick with the Alberta law.

01:36:33.880 I'll leave that for others to interpret.

01:36:36.080 And when you go to, sorry to interrupt,

01:36:37.900 when you go to albertateleethon.com

01:36:39.340 and you see your list, I think there's six TPAs on there.

01:36:43.500 Just as a little update, if anyone's interested,

01:36:45.440 we've got, at the latest numbers,

01:36:47.840 Keith Wilson and Tanya's Let Alberta Decide

01:36:52.940 is damn near $50,000 raised today.

01:36:57.160 We've got the Alberta Independent, the Women's Network.

01:37:00.920 They've got nearly $10,000 raised.

01:37:04.240 And Corey Morgan's group has a little over $11,000 raised.

01:37:07.860 It's been a big day so far.

01:37:09.620 That's pretty awesome to see.

01:37:11.980 You know what, guys?

01:37:13.180 I know like many of you, some people are a little hesitant to donate

01:37:16.560 because you don't really see a lot of the impact from the donations that you

01:37:20.500 make right away with John's TPA here that flag that's gonna be given to that

01:37:25.020 family who wants to fly it in their front yard or on their pole that's gonna

01:37:28.680 be there for years that's gonna be there until the Sun finally makes it wear out

01:37:32.880 so if you want to see an impact that not only is something physical but

01:37:36.840 something right away that will last a long long after this is all said and

01:37:40.620 done donate to john united alberta flags thank you yeah all right well i think we have a few

01:37:49.840 more minutes before we got to kick you out here absolutely unfortunately john's got another

01:37:53.360 appointment so uh yeah fifth campaign stop of the day we were at a parade already we were at events

01:37:59.000 handing out flags we've been up and down and in fact i'll put a shout out as well my partner and

01:38:05.500 our chief financial officer we're the ones that came up with the alberta independence float based

01:38:09.900 on what happened in sundry they shut down the pro rodeo parade because somebody was trying to fly

01:38:14.980 the alberta flag it was just egregious and that's when we said no we're going to go all in and this

01:38:19.340 is the way we're going to go all in so we built the alberta independence float it's got an eight

01:38:23.460 foot grain elevator a working oil jack animals and 20 foot flagpoles with alberta flags on it

01:38:29.100 and it gets its way around the province it's been to pinoco calgary edmonton all over the place

01:38:32.840 but she's taking it down to paul's pizza for later in the evening so we're dividing and conquering

01:38:38.200 tonight so kimberly will be down there so look out for her uh same shirt because we stick together

01:38:43.320 throughout this entire challenging ordeal uh so she'll be down there with the alberta independence 0.99

01:38:48.440 float and with some of our flags as well for the event wasn't there a city councilor stealing your

01:38:52.600 flags or something there was uh i wasn't sure if you guys would bring this up or not not just was

01:38:59.480 there uh there were two and uh our social media and our press releases cover off the details and

01:39:05.480 the facts of that there were denials then there was video evidence that came forward as well

01:39:09.800 so forever canadian participants and representatives were stealing alberta flags that were part of our

01:39:14.520 campaign and registered third party advertiser material at this point the last update we did

01:39:20.040 have a meeting with the detachment commander they reviewed the facts and talked to us about it

01:39:25.320 they looked at it and especially with the politicization of not just elections rules

01:39:29.080 being broken but with city councillors uh the local detachment has elevated it it's now under

01:39:35.540 investigation at the central alberta rcmp investigations division and so with that said

01:39:41.500 i won't say anything more yeah because it's obviously pretty deep right now yeah that's

01:39:46.260 like what what a gift in disguise what a blessing in disguise no no i don't think i don't think it

01:39:52.020 is and i'll tell you why i always i respect i've been involved in politics myself and i absolutely

01:39:57.180 respect other people having different opinions. And we'd seen some of the banter that I thought

01:40:01.560 was too far on both sides earlier in the campaign. On that day on July 1st, we were at the beginning

01:40:06.960 of the parade and we were ahead of them. But at the beginning marshalling area, the floats

01:40:10.340 are beside each other. We set ours up and I said to my kids, just stay here because

01:40:14.760 there has been some help. I went over there with Kimberly and we went over to say hello.

01:40:19.680 We went over to shake hands. We went over to take the high road and to be friendly and

01:40:23.360 to show the community, our MLA was there, others were there,

01:40:26.080 to show the community you can be an independent supporter

01:40:28.600 and a Forever Canada and still have a respectful conversation.

01:40:31.440 So we took the high road to go and do that, and we did do that.

01:40:34.700 And people in the community were talking about it on social media,

01:40:37.360 and we saw that.

01:40:38.160 Look at the United Alberta flags and the independent supporters

01:40:42.340 going and talking to Forever Canada.

01:40:44.100 This can happen in communities.

01:40:45.560 We had three more stops that day.

01:40:46.880 I was a speaker down at Mirror, spoke after Tamara,

01:40:50.460 and then we went down to Calgary for a pancake breakfast,

01:40:53.140 kicking open the uh the stampede and that's when we started getting phone calls back from the

01:40:58.320 community people were coming and saying we witnessed this we witnessed this and i said

01:41:01.840 there's no way i said it's too much so we brought it back and at this point i'm gonna say it's in

01:41:07.760 the hands of the rcmp and it's in process we did talk to elections alberta too so john you've got

01:41:13.340 a minute before you got to run so um we'll plug you again unitedalbertaflags.com thank you for

01:41:19.300 what you're doing sir um where can people find you on the road next do you have a schedule for

01:41:23.920 the next few days like do you know where you'll be uh there's so many things going on so yesterday

01:41:28.440 we were with jason levine and red deer we were in rimby this morning we were at pigeon lake

01:41:33.000 witasquin leduc we are we've been down on calgary for the last couple weeks we are going to try and

01:41:38.140 focus on the capital region and edmonton over the next couple days colondike days is going on there's

01:41:42.980 all kinds of different events sometimes our schedule changes dynamically and pretty quickly

01:41:47.460 Listen, if you see a parade float coming down the road

01:41:50.320 with 20-foot Alberta flags on it

01:41:52.520 and people handing out stickers, handing out flags,

01:41:54.840 and we can take donations

01:41:55.840 and we can get you big flags for your house as well,

01:41:58.560 you're going to see us all over the place.

01:42:00.200 Follow us on social media.

01:42:01.580 Follow us on X, United underscore AB underscore flags.

01:42:06.120 And on Facebook, you can find us as well.

01:42:08.820 And from our website, you can make a donation.

01:42:10.660 And if I wanted a flag, how do I get a hold of you?

01:42:13.700 Do you want to text me?

01:42:14.460 Because I know you have my number.

01:42:15.540 I've got some in the truck right now.

01:42:16.960 You can email us at unitedalbertaflags.com, but on our website there's a form to donate.

01:42:25.420 There's also a form to get a free flag.

01:42:27.580 So it's in there.

01:42:28.580 It comes right into our phone.

01:42:29.580 We've got a database of them.

01:42:30.800 We're hitting communities as quick as we can.

01:42:32.780 We dropped some off in Sherwood Park today in Leduc, in Wetaskiwin, at Pigeon Lake.

01:42:36.800 There's some going down to Calgary for somebody else to pick up and distribute as well.

01:42:40.200 Awesome.

01:42:41.200 Awesome.

01:42:42.200 Thank you, sir.

01:42:43.200 You're welcome.

01:42:44.200 Thank you, guys.

01:42:45.200 A referendum is one of the simplest and most direct expressions of the democratic will of the people.

01:42:54.200 Even the Supreme Court of Canada has been clear on this point, and this cannot be ignored.

01:43:00.200 Albertans are law-abiding people. We do not rush change.

01:43:05.200 But when change becomes necessary, we meet it responsibly.

01:43:10.200 And we all know why this moment has arrived.

01:43:13.400 We see it in our daily lives, in rising costs, declining services,

01:43:20.160 and growing distrust in institutions meant to serve the public.

01:43:24.920 Do you agree that the province of Alberta shall cease to be a part of Canada

01:43:30.480 to become an independent state?

01:43:36.680 That question is directly out of the clarity.

01:43:40.200 The word state does not mean 51st state.

01:43:44.200 So that is what it is.

01:43:46.200 It means that we will become an independent country on our own.

01:43:49.200 Monday night in Calgary.

01:43:52.200 This is fantastic.

01:43:55.200 Over 150 of your fellow Albertans got their canvassing badges,

01:44:01.200 went through the canvassing training,

01:44:03.200 and made sure that nobody had to stand out in the cold

01:44:06.200 for more than 5 or 10 minutes.

01:44:08.200 so if you're tired of being dismissed of being told to comply without question

01:44:14.900 tired of being silenced this is your moment I am inviting all of you to make

01:44:22.880 your voices heard clearly confidently and so that Ottawa hears it once and for

01:44:30.960 all.

01:44:56.080 So that was awesome.

01:44:57.500 And just for the record, we'd like to

01:44:59.320 get everyone else's opinion right now. Who has a better backdrop? Was it the Calgary boys or was

01:45:05.200 it us? Because you guys know who got the better backdrop. Just super chat unacceptable fringe and

01:45:11.840 tell them that it's us and he'll donate all your super chats to TPAs. Amazing. Wow. What a gentleman.

01:45:17.860 Exactly. A scholar. So we are very, very pleased to be joined by Miss Kathy Flett,

01:45:24.020 friend of the channels, returning guest, hasn't gotten sick of us yet. Never.

01:45:29.320 And I can't even remember what your title is, actually, for the Women's Independence Network. 0.65

01:45:36.440 Oh, well, the TPA is the Alberta Women for Earth Independence. 0.83

01:45:41.340 But your title within your president?

01:45:44.780 I'm the CFO, so I want everybody to keep me as busy as possible.

01:45:48.980 That's the deal, okay?

01:45:50.500 I want to be going nonstop here for the next few days.

01:45:54.060 Well, it feels like you've been going nonstop for years, actually.

01:45:56.400 Maybe you can give our viewers a little bit of a background of your history within the movement.

01:46:02.960 Yeah, so I started about seven years ago in 2019 when the whole Wexit thing exploded

01:46:08.560 and came on the stage, and I was part of that, and that's where I got to meet Michael Wagner,

01:46:13.120 who you guys are going to talk to after, and made some other really great friends along the way.

01:46:16.740 And then that exploded. As quick as it went up, it came down, and then through a series of events,

01:46:23.360 I was with the Wildrose Independence Party of Alberta and that exploded and so then I sat down

01:46:28.960 and went well now what am I going to do and we were on right on the cusp of having a provincial

01:46:35.280 election in 2023. So I thought well what if I run as an independent candidate? I'm not going to win

01:46:41.360 but I'll never learn anything quite this quickly any other way. So I ran, my friend Angela ran as

01:46:48.840 well. She ran down in, in, um, Cardston where she lives and, uh, we worked our asses off and of course

01:46:55.320 lost, never worked so hard to lose in all my life, but I learned so much. And what I learned by doing

01:47:00.520 that is that the independence movement was alive and well, as I was door knocking, that's what

01:47:04.460 people were talking about. I went, okay, we've, we've got to figure this out. We've got to sort

01:47:08.440 something out. So after we slept for about a week, um, we got back together and Angela came to me and

01:47:14.160 said you know what I have an idea and I said that's frightening okay what is your idea because

01:47:19.400 they're always really good ideas when Angela's talking and she says who's missing all the time

01:47:25.060 in this in this movement like every meeting that we go to who's missing and I said I don't know

01:47:32.400 like I don't I don't know and she said the women we are always outnumbered by the men easy two to

01:47:39.260 one every single time there's something wrong the message is not getting through to the women in a

01:47:44.800 way that they can understand it I think we need to reach out to the women and I was like I think

01:47:49.140 you're nuts like I don't know about this but anyways long story short we came up with a message 0.99

01:47:55.660 specific for women and out we went and we started doing home parties because a lot of the women they 0.99

01:48:01.500 didn't want to go to the rallies the rallies are fun but they didn't want to go to the rallies and 1.00

01:48:05.000 And if you looked at who would come up to the mic, very few women would go to the mic. 1.00

01:48:08.960 There are some exceptions to the norm, but they weren't the norm. 0.97

01:48:11.520 It was always the guys.

01:48:12.740 And so we started having these home meetings all around the province, and then it worked.

01:48:18.760 It just exploded.

01:48:19.900 And the message was so good, I guess, that the guys crashed our parties.

01:48:23.940 They kept wanting to come in and go, well, what are you guys talking about? 1.00

01:48:26.940 Well, that's where all the ladies are. 0.98

01:48:28.180 Right? 1.00

01:48:28.400 Yes, yeah, and the food.

01:48:30.480 And the food.

01:48:31.840 And so then it went from there.

01:48:33.420 And then that message got out, and the next thing I know, I'm sharing the stage with all the folks from HPP saying, well, we want to hear what you're talking about.

01:48:41.980 So I put together a slideshow and said, all right, so now I'm in front of hundreds of people.

01:48:45.660 And then it was supposed to be stay free as well, but then that went kind of crazy with the whole signature thing because some rules, we didn't know what they were and what they weren't.

01:48:52.640 But it still continued.

01:48:53.840 And then Let's Talk said, hey, we want you to come with us.

01:48:56.260 Like, okay, let's go.

01:48:57.580 And so we just kept going, and then we kept doing these home meetings.

01:49:00.620 And then this happened.

01:49:03.420 And Angela and I had a decision to make because we're simply just two women who won't shut up.

01:49:08.960 And if we chose to keep talking the way that we were, we could be kind of violating some boundaries as to what's allowed and what's not allowed as far as advertising goes because we're also very opinionated in what we're saying.

01:49:21.360 So we decided, you know what, let's just jump in.

01:49:23.440 Let's start our own TPA. 1.00

01:49:25.040 Let's let everybody know the women are here. 1.00

01:49:27.600 We do make up 50% of the population despite what the progressives might like to think otherwise.

01:49:32.200 and this is as important to us as it is to you guys and we're just we're having

01:49:37.660 way too much fun but it's good well we're thrilled to have you here now who's who's

01:49:41.860 this gentleman beside you well he's amazing I'm here representing my son

01:49:49.880 actually I have to say though you know and sorry to all the other people but

01:50:00.160 Your sign is one of my favorites, and I think we spoke about that before.

01:50:02.820 Yeah, you did, yeah.

01:50:04.080 I like how you laid it out with all the questions and everything on there,

01:50:07.260 and that's one of the things.

01:50:09.320 And also, like, I've come to some of your handout locations,

01:50:13.340 and you guys are picking some very prime locations

01:50:15.540 and red in people's faces, and everyone gets to see that,

01:50:18.940 and that's really wonderful.

01:50:20.060 Thank you.

01:50:20.480 I really, really like what you guys are doing with that, for sure.

01:50:23.480 And I've gotten to meet you a few times, I think, here and there,

01:50:26.580 in passing, maybe, you know.

01:50:28.340 um you gave me a pin we gave you okay good that's been my sense thing you know we've been trying to

01:50:34.660 go around alberta and just pin as many albertans as we can um and that that was our our initial

01:50:43.020 our initial like you know we tried to put alberta flags in stores that support independence and now

01:50:51.340 we're going to be moving towards putting buckets of pins in stores that support alberta independence

01:50:57.320 as well so if you're a store out there that supports alberta independence hit us up and

01:51:01.880 we'll send you a bucket of pins where can they find you uh albertapin.ca is where we are

01:51:07.120 unacceptable fringe was the one who usually talked to us about us a lot and kind of got

01:51:13.040 our name out there a bit and we kind of just ran with it my son has been trying to uh start

01:51:19.460 the youngest tpa in history which we were hoping to have set up by today but we've come a few

01:51:27.140 across a few speed bumps, I guess you could say.

01:51:30.080 Not surprising.

01:51:31.180 But it's okay.

01:51:31.940 I mean, I'm happy he's coming across these speed bumps.

01:51:34.340 He needs to see that this is what we're trying to navigate.

01:51:38.260 How old is he, your son?

01:51:39.340 He's 18 right now.

01:51:40.440 So this is going to be the youngest TPA in history.

01:51:44.160 So what does an 18-year-old think about Alberta independence?

01:51:47.180 Because we're all old men.

01:51:49.180 I'm not.

01:51:51.180 And one very young woman.

01:51:53.760 Three old men and a young woman at this table right now.

01:51:56.320 I think I'm pretty young.

01:51:57.580 Someone once said to me, hey, are you the son?

01:51:59.680 I said, yeah, I'm the son.

01:52:00.880 I think dad's somewhere over there.

01:52:02.860 So I feel pretty young.

01:52:04.720 You don't look like you have an 18-year-old son.

01:52:06.340 I will say that.

01:52:07.220 But what does he think?

01:52:08.520 Is he unique in his friend group?

01:52:10.920 Or are 18-year-old boys, 18-year-old young men, I guess,

01:52:16.140 what do they have to say about independence?

01:52:18.820 And again, I really admire everything he's accomplished at this point,

01:52:22.040 and I see where he's going with it.

01:52:23.900 There's a lot of great people in this movement

01:52:25.700 that are doing a lot of good work and some of that work he's not going to try to touch because

01:52:30.040 it's already being done like you had Keith today talking about some of the stuff he's doing you

01:52:34.540 got Jeff he's killing it in court for us so there's three main points that he's going to

01:52:41.120 be trying to focus on on a youth program and initially it's going to be you know jobs and

01:52:46.660 opportunities kids need to be able to you know have affordable schooling where they can get

01:52:52.820 qualifications that they can use at home here and not take these qualifications and fly overseas

01:52:59.120 where the money currently is unfortunately I know his second thing that he wants to focus on

01:53:06.720 is going to be an affordable future for these children you know building a legacy starts with

01:53:11.620 a home and if you can't afford a home for another 20 years kids aren't going to be thinking about

01:53:15.700 building families and and leaving that legacy behind that's very important for him and I know

01:53:22.520 that the third point which should be the first point for him uh is going to be one of his main

01:53:27.580 topics is the voices and engagement that the youth will have when it comes to this vote that's coming

01:53:34.040 up in october so he's already kind of met a bit of hurdles with elections alberta and trying to

01:53:41.320 register his tpa they said his name was too close to another name which it was based on opinion fact

01:53:48.500 what we were told so you know i just said keep your head up adapt overcome and continue to push

01:53:56.060 forward um he's gonna be kind of trying to stay away from town halls because like i said so many

01:54:00.940 people are already mastering that so he's gonna be trying to engage with the youth through things

01:54:06.920 like you know he wants to put on a bike-a-thon where you know trying to keep them active canoe

01:54:12.040 trips camping trips and really grow that movement so that come october 19 you have you know maybe

01:54:19.400 hopefully a record set of youth that are engaging in our democratic democratic process that we're

01:54:25.880 having right now so amazing while we're still trying to put a pin on every albertan

01:54:31.000 one on my hat yeah and uh i think it was a while ago i remember seeing on x when

01:54:36.680 when Elections Alberta came out and said that Thomas Lukasik's Forever Canadian

01:54:43.500 essentially doesn't qualify as a TPA or isn't required to register as a TPA.

01:54:48.300 I remember your son was a little relieved at the time

01:54:50.360 because he didn't have to register Alberta PIN initially as a TPA.

01:54:54.460 Right.

01:54:55.720 Our understanding, his understanding,

01:54:57.580 is that as long as you're not talking about the vote on your website

01:55:00.000 and stuff like that or what the options are,

01:55:03.640 then essentially you're not a TPA.

01:55:05.000 that's when you start to touch that area and that's what he wants to try to

01:55:08.420 achieve by registering the TPA is to be able to touch on these things you know

01:55:12.800 and be a bit more so you can have both hats this way we can have both hats this

01:55:16.400 way and then you know when October 19 is done then we're not done we can

01:55:20.180 continue to exist and continue to be there as an auxiliary to freedom

01:55:24.080 essentially you know while all the hard work continues to happen behind the scene

01:55:29.840 Kathy what is your just switching gears from the youth maybe to women in

01:55:36.600 Alberta what are some of the main hurdles that you are having to overcome

01:55:42.600 with women when you're talking about independence and this is in their minds 0.99

01:55:50.720 pretty risky and it kind of is right we don't know what's on the other side of 0.99

01:55:53.860 it and so the biggest hurdle is well what does this look like for my kids

01:55:59.600 right my my youth what does this look like for my kids what does this look like for my grandkids

01:56:03.800 what am i what am i signing them up for and am i am i ready to do that does that make sense

01:56:08.620 what does this mean for our schools what does this mean for health care all the social things

01:56:12.300 that we tend to look after as women um what does this mean for my community what does this mean

01:56:17.500 for my church and like well i don't know it might mean that your pastor can actually preach because

01:56:21.320 in canada that's becoming a thing of the past um and so those are the hurdles and and helping them

01:56:26.880 to get their heads wrapped around that okay we can we can do this this is okay and the other hurdle

01:56:31.840 is that a lot of people think that we can't for whatever reason that they've got in their heads

01:56:38.680 they think that that we can't that it's a brick wall and so then we walk them through well this

01:56:44.160 is actually how canada became a country and this is actually how alberta became a province and this

01:56:48.920 is what the numbers look like now when you look at the mps and at the senate and and so when you

01:56:54.580 look at these numbers what do you notice well immediately you notice that the east has a hell

01:56:58.800 of a lot more than we do and then we explain to them why that is and why that can't change

01:57:03.140 and so if that can't change then we're going to have to change and how do you think we can do that

01:57:08.120 because we can't fix this we want to we're women we like to fix everything we fix our hair we fix 0.64

01:57:13.980 dinner we fix our husbands we fix everything and so once we get them to that point like no you can't

01:57:19.760 fix it honey you just can't so what's our next option how are we going to protect our babies

01:57:25.080 and then boom it's like all right and then the mama bears come out and we're ready to rumble

01:57:30.100 and speaking about change for anyone just tuning into the stream i made a really funny joke about

01:57:38.680 half an hour ago change is it means so many things and it means also money and so of course we're

01:57:44.360 here to raise some money today so let's do a little plug for albertatelethon.com i don't have

01:57:49.540 many updated numbers but i can only imagine we've at least triple or quadrupled our intake since

01:57:55.180 we've gone on yeah i mean calgary did a great job but like look at the studio here guys look at the

01:57:59.980 look at the general look at the good looking guests that we have on the show um for those

01:58:04.840 of you don't know we literally set this up in eight hours uh yeah albertatelethon.com guys

01:58:11.900 six tpas there uh kathy do you want to plug your uh plug the full name and also where people can

01:58:18.500 view outside of Alberta Telephone?

01:58:21.060 Sure. So Alberta

01:58:22.560 Women for Independence is the full

01:58:24.700 name. It's a long one 0.93

01:58:26.620 so go to albertatelephone.com

01:58:28.680 and find us and click the link.

01:58:31.560 abwomenindependencenetwork.com

01:58:33.020 is our website

01:58:34.560 and so everybody knows what

01:58:36.500 your money will go to with us

01:58:38.500 is lawn signs. We've got a bunch because people are

01:58:40.600 asking for them. I think

01:58:42.780 and anybody correct me

01:58:44.660 if I'm wrong but I think we're the only ones covering all the questions.

01:58:46.880 okay so we do and in our presentations we've tweaked it up a little bit that we talk about

01:58:52.460 the first nine that the government put out and this is what they say this is how convoluted

01:58:56.440 and confusing and ridiculous they are but this is what they mean and this is why we think you

01:59:01.380 should vote yes and then we go to question 10 the referendum on a referendum so we go through all

01:59:05.620 of that um so yeah you're going to go towards lawn signs and we do a lot of travel i'm not

01:59:11.100 saying the others don't they do we're still doing the home meetings and we're just calling it

01:59:16.380 politics on the patio because it's 30 000 degrees outside and and i thought like i mean i thought

01:59:21.860 carbon tax was supposed to do something about that but here we are and maybe we just need more

01:59:26.060 all right it's supposed to be a super el nino this year i'm very disappointed super el nino

01:59:30.620 you let me down get that carbon capture sorted out but um yeah so anyways it goes towards a lot

01:59:38.060 of travel um today i was in red year this morning doing um some stuff down there and next week we're

01:59:43.540 traveling up north we're gonna be in Grand Prairie and Fairview and High

01:59:46.580 Prairie before we come back down and so that's what your money is going towards

01:59:50.560 I put so many kilometers on my last vehicle I got a new one so now I'm ready

01:59:53.680 to mile that one out too and I want everybody to keep us busy if you want to

01:59:57.140 have that smaller meeting in your house there's no limit to the number of people

02:00:00.640 we don't care because those five people that show up will go and tell five

02:00:04.160 others we just want to keep the conversation going so let me keep putting

02:00:08.340 miles on my car and let's let's get this done and when Kathy has to get a new car

02:00:12.640 she'll unfortunately have to get something from outside the province and

02:00:15.580 if you are watching from outside the province and want to support Alberta independence

02:00:19.420 you can't, don't wait to count it.

02:00:22.420 But you can buy from Alberta pins because they have got some amazing stuff going on.

02:00:27.340 So tell us a little bit more about which your merch you got right now.

02:00:29.680 Well Alberta pin has shipped and sold things all across Canada and even in the United States.

02:00:34.960 We get emails from you know all over Canada people telling us hey don't forget about us when you get your independence.

02:00:40.480 because Alberta's independence is just the beginning, you know,

02:00:43.720 and it's a milestone to what's to come next.

02:00:47.660 Can we show off this flag?

02:00:49.460 Yeah, of course.

02:00:50.040 I've wanted to see it for a while.

02:00:51.360 So I've said this on John's podcast on his YouTube channel.

02:00:58.040 If you look at the original flag, the river flows from west to east,

02:01:01.280 just like your money.

02:01:02.760 So we came up with this, James came up with this new flag

02:01:07.120 where, you know, if you're looking at the mountain,

02:01:08.920 and the true depiction of the river flows towards you

02:01:11.000 just like our resources should

02:01:12.260 and the north stands free representing

02:01:15.040 Alberta because Alberta is the north

02:01:16.800 essentially you know

02:01:17.640 we pay for everything

02:01:19.400 and just the gold and black

02:01:23.040 hoping to play on the home and away one day

02:01:24.980 and hopefully maybe the Oilers

02:01:26.820 if you guys are watching

02:01:27.560 and that's it

02:01:31.340 we try to make it

02:01:32.880 almost corner the market for affordability

02:01:35.340 when it comes to being able to show

02:01:37.200 Alberta pride

02:01:37.860 you know and that was the main the main goal right um when independence happens that people

02:01:45.080 are wearing their pin every year on independence day that that's our goal you know so honestly

02:01:50.780 what i really want is that hat that's just awesome isn't it that's a beautiful hat yeah so and the

02:01:55.980 jersey too the the jerseys are finally available now that this was like you know through special

02:02:01.140 requests people see like we wear uniforms all the time we got hockey jerseys or something

02:02:05.500 people saw us in those baseball jerseys and started like you need to make me one you need

02:02:09.540 to make me one so we got together with unacceptable fringe and we were trying to work something out

02:02:14.880 and so now you're gonna have the home in a way again like we do everything yeah and this is now

02:02:20.300 available for everybody on albertapen.ca if you're looking watching um but the hat the hat that you

02:02:27.540 speak of actually um it's it's the golden calf this hat is lined in with a golden interior and

02:02:34.100 there's currently only 25 people who have this hat this hat is not for sale

02:02:38.360 this hat is in recognition of people who are doing outstanding work like you

02:02:42.740 guys are and we hope to continue to grow the golden cap momentum as much as we

02:02:48.980 can keep up obviously it's it's just my son and myself doing this so but you are

02:02:55.700 two people that we definitely had in mind for the golden cap and I wish I

02:02:59.300 I came a little more prepared.

02:03:01.900 That's cool.

02:03:02.900 I did my hair today anyway, so I literally couldn't.

02:03:06.820 That's exactly what I was going to say.

02:03:08.460 You know, we'd golden cap you, but I don't think you want to.

02:03:10.780 That's a nice float, right?

02:03:12.240 I wear the hat because there's not much under there.

02:03:16.800 I'll hit you up when it starts going.

02:03:18.920 To go back on what you guys are talking about in Elections Alberta

02:03:21.760 and Thomas Lukasik and his TPA,

02:03:23.700 one of the questions my son asked when he called Elections Alberta

02:03:28.320 like hey is it difficult to report they're like no absolutely not and we'll help you through it

02:03:34.000 and as a matter of fact just to kind of give you a heads up if you don't report we're gonna fine

02:03:38.860 you five hundred dollars a week so you know if you add up the amount of money that's already been

02:03:44.520 spent uh with the kilometers that's been put on that bus with the signs that have been printed

02:03:49.920 uh with the buttons that they're giving away the magnets that they're doing uh you know and

02:03:54.920 times with how many weeks are left over it'd be very easy for him to afford 500 bucks a week

02:04:00.360 to not be compliant and you know i'm not saying that that's what's happening but it's well it's

02:04:08.140 interesting because i i remember hearing they am saying that thomas lukazic kept all the lists that

02:04:13.920 he was supposed to destroy because the fine was only 50 000 and that's why they bumped it up to

02:04:19.060 half a million dollars after that so for those of you who might have been involved in uh forever

02:04:24.760 For Canada, your information might be in a private server somewhere potentially being

02:04:29.380 shared with others.

02:04:30.740 We're talking about someone who's extremely smart on paper, yet at every injunction, he

02:04:37.860 says, I didn't know.

02:04:39.960 I didn't know.

02:04:40.740 I didn't know what was going to lead to this.

02:04:41.980 I didn't know what was going to lead to that.

02:04:43.180 So it's becoming a bit deceptive.

02:04:46.560 Convenient, maybe.

02:04:47.240 We're navigating, it feels like a corrupted system, to leave a corrupted system.

02:04:51.560 and like you said we have to have fun with it we have fun with it and just keep our heads up keep

02:04:57.720 smiling like jeff smiling and we're going to get to where we're going to get to what do they say

02:05:01.980 if you don't laugh you'll cry right yeah kathy what's your experience been with working with

02:05:06.160 elections alberta to the extent that you have has it been has it been a pain has it been wait

02:05:10.380 time off for a second elections alberta we love you and support you here and you can head to

02:05:15.680 alberta telethon elections alberta you're great we have no complaints at all and i and i can

02:05:21.420 actually say that i can actually say that okay um because when i was when i was also working with

02:05:28.580 political parties like real registered political parties i got to know elections alberta because

02:05:33.700 i had inherited a bit of a mess that required some cleaning so i literally had them on speed

02:05:36.960 down okay and they were fantastic fantastic to deal with and this go around i haven't had any

02:05:42.700 trouble okay at all so i i think it i don't know what it depends on i don't i don't know what the

02:05:48.240 deal is but it's been it's been really good for us and i think at the end of the day what i love

02:05:54.780 the most about this movement is that regardless what the other side tries to throw at us this is

02:06:00.260 the legitimate we're in it together right like we are all pulling the rope in the same direction we

02:06:05.260 all know one another we're all friends we're all like go support whoever it doesn't matter like

02:06:09.460 give everybody 20 bucks who cares or whatever however much don't don't go over the 5 000 though

02:06:13.940 but you're like just support everybody and that's why they can't beat us because we're united and

02:06:21.940 it's again i go i hearken back i often talk about that game of whack-a-mole they can't take us all

02:06:27.260 out there's too many and there's more popping up all the time so this is a good thing this is a

02:06:32.880 really good thing and i want to circle back something you said about um being really good for

02:06:36.520 for canada because others might follow right when i did a saskatchewan tour not very long ago

02:06:42.980 and i did a little talking tour over there when i told them you know i'm not kidding when i say

02:06:49.800 and i'm not even exaggerating when i say every meeting i go to inevitably somebody will ask

02:06:55.460 is saskatchewan coming with us every time and there were tears in the room because it was like

02:07:02.920 yeah man we're not leaving you behind if you want to don't don't make our mistakes just pick up where

02:07:06.860 we are right now learn from us let us help you and let's go forward and that went that went a long

02:07:12.940 long way for the folks that were over there so it could happen it could be a domino effect where okay

02:07:17.680 Alberta goes Saskia goes Quebec goes like whatever and that will actually save the people

02:07:24.700 and I think that's why we have to do this we do some walks in the parks on Saturday to touch on

02:07:31.140 this uh every saturday around two o'clock we just go kind of walk around the dog park with the dog

02:07:36.060 and stuff like that and we meet people and talk to them and we met a lovely lady one time and she

02:07:41.560 said to us you know if you get independence i'm out i'm moving away i'm going to manitoba and me

02:07:47.440 and my son were talking and i think the reality is you know if people were to move away from

02:07:52.660 alberta because they're unhappy with independence do you know how many people would be like well

02:07:56.420 I'm fed up and I'm moving to Alberta or how do you feel right now where you're like man

02:08:01.900 I'm done with this place I want to leave but you got nowhere to go Alberta is going to be the place

02:08:08.320 to go yeah and so for whatever we lose we're going to gain that's happening now I learned

02:08:13.200 I met someone today when I was at the Red Deer Farmers Market I met a couple who just moved here

02:08:18.560 from BC because of this they said we can't vote in October because we didn't get here fast enough

02:08:23.900 but we can vote in the next one we'll be here long enough for that and i was like great on do

02:08:29.260 you want an on sign because you can still do that yeah no kidding it's fascinating because i think

02:08:34.840 when czechoslovakia separated from two countries into or sorry one country to two they ended up

02:08:41.120 having only about three percent of people move well if three percent of nd peers leave alberta

02:08:48.840 that's going to be like about like you know maybe 50 000 people ish give or take if three percent

02:08:56.200 of canadians who are more conservative decide to come to alberta that's going to be in the hundreds

02:09:00.780 of thousands so there's definitely going to be way more people coming in than we'll ever leave

02:09:04.960 and it's going to be the right people coming in the people who want the values that we have and

02:09:09.360 i mean like if you want if you have liberal values like that's fine you can go live in a liberal

02:09:13.400 country and that's your choice but alberta we want to choose to be free because we want to choose our

02:09:18.080 own values we want to choose the values that have provided us prosperity up into this point

02:09:23.040 and we know would provide us prosperity going well into the future and if you are albertan

02:09:27.840 a reminder that only albertans can go to albertatelethon.com and and donate to one of our

02:09:35.760 amazing tpas keep in mind please fill out the forms with as much detail as it asks because

02:09:42.880 Because as much as Elections Alberta has been maybe, you know, relatively pleasant to deal with for some people,

02:09:49.240 you don't want your donation going to them.

02:09:50.580 You want it going to the TPA of your choice.

02:09:52.600 So fill the information out properly.

02:09:54.600 I believe it's anything under $50 doesn't need information.

02:09:59.540 Correct.

02:09:59.940 If it's between $50 and $500 or something.

02:10:02.860 $5,000.

02:10:03.380 $5,000.

02:10:04.240 It needs the info.

02:10:05.020 It needs your info.

02:10:05.940 So let's not, you know, give any money away unnecessarily.

02:10:09.500 um and uh i wanted to actually just make a quick comment too i learned this fact from adam uh from

02:10:17.180 i can't remember his last name from army of good men yeah he was saying you know how uh liberal

02:10:22.400 california is maybe you guys know this stat and california is nowhere near ever you know in

02:10:27.280 recent you know history electing a republican um if you subtract alberta and saskatchewan from

02:10:34.660 Canada from our last federal election, the rest of Canada voted 64% liberal, left, left

02:10:41.600 leaning liberal or NDP. Uh, California only voted 57% Democrat. So the rest of Canada

02:10:49.800 minus Alberta and Saskatchewan is many points higher than even California is liberal. Like

02:10:55.900 that's so liberal. And like you said, I mean, fundamentally at a personal level, I got no

02:11:02.920 problem with anyone you know we have liberal family members we all have

02:11:06.520 liberal family members that you know we love them maybe they're we

02:11:10.600 think them as maybe a little gullible or naive or whatever but the fact is

02:11:14.500 they're here they exist and it's our job and and God bless you for what you're

02:11:19.060 doing for when you're working the TPA and your work as well in educating

02:11:22.300 people on why we're not just a bunch of mean redneck you know what's the term

02:11:27.880 ditch billies I've never never heard it before until yeah maybe it's even lower

02:11:33.640 than a hillbilly I guess but you know we're actually quite nice people and we

02:11:40.720 just want more prosperity for our family and our future right how much time do we

02:11:45.380 have before I can't recall do we have you till 7 as long as you want doesn't

02:11:49.480 matter fantastic okay so we've got we've got to think five minutes before we do

02:11:54.640 switch um can you maybe give us like a five five four and a half minute um what is it what does

02:12:01.200 the process look like if somebody contacts you and wants to do one of your uh a porch party before

02:12:06.480 we do that i do have one thing i'd like to bring up with guys so most people don't know but uh

02:12:12.640 there's a facebook group called alberta independence that's true it's got about 120 000 members yeah

02:12:18.960 kathy and i are the ones who do all the work validating all those memberships we're admins

02:12:24.880 on those teams and it's been an absolute roller coaster of an adventure yeah yeah yeah i'm the

02:12:31.040 one who's i'm a bit sticky if you haven't answered the questions i probably won't approve you because

02:12:36.320 i don't have patience for them yeah but that's me

02:12:40.880 i'm gonna sorry i gotta interrupt for one minute oh i'm gonna bring it right back to you okay we

02:12:44.880 We have a note we have to mention on air.

02:12:48.020 Sheila from the Alberta's Choice TPA.

02:12:50.680 Ezra and Tamara Leach right now are at the Gas City Campground

02:12:54.500 distributing signs until 8 p.m. tonight.

02:12:56.760 Nice. Get over there.

02:12:59.080 Gas City Campground.

02:13:00.060 I don't know if we mentioned the party at Paul's Pizza.

02:13:02.560 Yeah. 0.98

02:13:02.940 Oh, crap. 0.99

02:13:03.400 There's tons of people there, apparently. 0.99

02:13:04.960 Angela's there.

02:13:05.360 Yeah, Angela's there.

02:13:06.300 Angela's there, yeah.

02:13:07.400 Paul's Pizza and Airdrie.

02:13:09.100 Yes.

02:13:09.920 Head on over there.

02:13:10.900 That's where the party is.

02:13:11.840 we'll be switching to them at eight o'clock so you can be in the stream if you are there in time

02:13:17.120 so so sorry continue yeah so we've been doing that now for over a year together we've had some

02:13:24.300 moderators come and go yeah but honestly the people the the number of requests we get every

02:13:29.920 day is anywhere from like 50 to 500 that's right and we have to go and manually vet these people

02:13:34.500 and you know maybe like one percent of them are like bots and stuff like that so we kick them out

02:13:38.960 but most people who are coming there are coming there and we get one of the questions is why are

02:13:46.320 you interested in this movement right and pete the the math the answers we get sometimes are so

02:13:51.980 touching people talking about you know wanting their future for their kids their grandkids

02:13:56.640 being tired of ottawa's choices and stuff like that and so many people are coming and say hey

02:14:01.740 I used to be a staunch supporter of staying in Canada.

02:14:07.520 But what Mark Carney has done for the last six months

02:14:10.620 has made me realize we're on the sinking ship.

02:14:13.540 How has it been for you?

02:14:14.800 Same, same.

02:14:16.100 And I love the ones where it's, my wife told me to.

02:14:20.740 Good wife, keeper.

02:14:23.160 Yeah, it has been that.

02:14:24.760 It has been that.

02:14:25.800 There's been a lot of emotion in those answers

02:14:28.020 that I wanted it to work.

02:14:29.840 It's not going to.

02:14:31.020 I see it now I just want to be around like-minded where I work I can't talk to anybody about this

02:14:36.100 that kind of a thing and so they're coming now to this online community on Facebook to participate

02:14:42.460 in the conversation with others there's some who go down there and say I haven't decided yet but I

02:14:47.440 want to find some answers and so yeah come on in let's get you some answers let's see what we can

02:14:52.500 let's keep that conversation going and it's been it's been really good yeah really good yeah and

02:14:57.660 honestly we let anybody in who answers the questions is obviously from Canada or especially

02:15:03.080 if they're from Alberta yeah regardless of what side you're on I mean but when people come in 1.00

02:15:07.020 sometimes they'll just make it like you guys are a bunch of idiot hillbillies ditch billies ditch 1.00

02:15:11.580 billies that's the nice one yeah they go and do that well that's gonna get you bad yeah yeah you're 1.00

02:15:16.280 out you're out and it's been great because in those groups we get such a variety of discussion

02:15:20.620 yeah and that's the biggest thing is like we have such a variety of people who are supporting

02:15:25.720 Alberta for various reasons. I remember one time we did a poll on there and we

02:15:30.220 had said, what's your primary reason for wanting Alberta independence? And we put in taxation with

02:15:35.540 our representation, equalization payments, the culture war with Ottawa, all these different

02:15:41.300 reasons. And we got the list and the number one complaint was equalization. That was the number

02:15:47.300 one thing that most Albertans had an issue with. And you're only allowed to select one answer is

02:15:51.600 one thing that we did so i brought that to mitch sylvester and he was surprised because he thought

02:15:58.420 it would be the cultural stuff because for him that's what is the the biggest issue that he's

02:16:04.340 currently facing he wasn't expecting equalization to be the number one thing that bothers albertans

02:16:10.040 about the system which to me is interesting because that's something that could be fixed

02:16:14.800 by the federal government but they never will no well yeah and that's the symptom right equalization

02:16:20.440 is a perfect symptom james had started a golden hotline on tiktok asking people to call in with

02:16:28.340 their reasons and leave a voicemail on the voicemail that he had set up and one of the

02:16:32.960 main reasons that he was getting was um young people are saying i'm scared that they're going

02:16:37.460 to offer my parents made you know and that was one of the the for us one of the oh my gosh one

02:16:43.520 of the leading exactly and some people that were leaving the messages were almost in tears when

02:16:46.900 they're saying that stuff it was like something i hadn't even thought of like you know we're upset

02:16:52.340 with maid but these young kids are scared that their parents are going to get offered maid

02:16:55.400 and they're going to be too proud to you know try to leave their kids with with their disability or

02:17:02.120 something like that right wow mark we're going to uh we're going to sub um uh mr wagner in so

02:17:09.280 shortly here do you want to do another plug uh for your uh for your son's okay future tpa well

02:17:14.440 and then we'll do a transition his current tpa was called uh forever free which we were told the

02:17:20.440 name resembles too much of another tpa okay uh the other tpa that it resembled too much was

02:17:25.320 stay free alberto i know you wouldn't have guessed that i will say that when i jumped on today to

02:17:31.480 donate i saw that stay free alberta's website they've gotten so much donations that it's actually

02:17:37.240 they're asking you to just you know leave your information if you still want to donate to them

02:17:40.360 as long as you're in alberta that's correct um i do have one question before i give my plug

02:17:46.280 if we get freedom will you take the mask off oh heck yeah if we get freedom

02:17:52.440 and can i i won't have to worry okay okay then i'll give you the hat

02:17:58.520 there's 25 of those there's only one of these but if you see us at any event we're usually walking

02:18:04.120 around with the yellow bucket we're giving out free pins if you can't get to us and you want

02:18:07.960 to have a pin just head over to albertapin.ca and pick yourself up some pins for yourself and your

02:18:12.600 friends help us put a pin on every alberton thank you guys for for having us here and good work thank

02:18:18.040 you thank you i appreciate it awesome i'll take my blue flag i am john bolton and we're here with

02:18:25.480 angela tabak kathy flatt alberta women for independence one of the third party advertisers

02:18:32.680 great to have you here now what i want to do right off the bat is i want to say you are the

02:18:37.160 unlikeliest couple to have a third-party advertiser. Angela lives about as far south in Alberta as you

02:18:44.000 can get, in the Waterton area, and Kathy's in Edmonton. How the heck did this happen? Please

02:18:49.380 tell me. Oh, we became friends when we were working in the Wild Girls Independence Party

02:18:54.960 of Alberta a number of years back, and just found that we work really well together, and

02:19:00.560 we have just stuck with the message of Alberta Independence for six years now. Six years together,

02:19:06.240 yeah it kind of works out nicely because we're in calgary right now you just kind of meet in the

02:19:09.940 middle right that's right this is fantastic yeah obviously we've got your signs hold it up there

02:19:14.160 people are i've got this out on front of my house right now i'm excited i've got now six signs

02:19:19.020 uh other people have 12 i got to get up to 12 but you're doing signs and you're talking to people

02:19:24.580 that's what you're doing so tell us a little bit about the talks right now because we know we love

02:19:29.100 your sign. Shall I talk about that? I'll talk about the talks. So we for over a year now have just

02:19:36.320 been doing home meetings with people helping predominantly women but then the guys love the

02:19:40.160 conversation too so they join in understand why we need to be our own province and we thought well

02:19:44.780 why fix what's not broke we're just going to continue on but now as a TPA so that's what

02:19:49.720 we've done and it's actually exploded our calendars are filling up with people that want to have us

02:19:54.620 over and so we're calling it politics on the patio because it's summertime and just have us

02:20:00.220 over six seven eight nine ten thirty people it doesn't matter to us and we walk people through

02:20:05.060 the history of how alberta became a province set some ground as to why our government structure

02:20:11.260 sucks the way that it does right right and uh and then why we need to vote yes to all of these

02:20:16.200 questions and yes to option two well you know the difficulty i think that's that's happened

02:20:20.680 through this process and even even through the petition process is finding people sitting on

02:20:25.940 the fence are you meeting up with some of those people angela oh absolutely yeah and it really

02:20:30.540 comes from you know people who are already there inviting their family and their friends to come

02:20:36.620 it's a very casual open discussion nothing is being shoved down anyone's throats and it's an

02:20:43.000 opportunity to just kind of go back and forth with the ideas uh some of the concerns that people

02:20:48.660 might have and it allows us to be able to address them in a way that is very non-confrontational

02:20:54.540 we're building community our whole focus has been education and building community and so

02:21:00.980 that's what we're continuing to do with the tpa and it's working out really great we're in kind

02:21:05.900 of a noisy room right now we're at the derek fildebrandt and duane bratt debate yeah and

02:21:11.320 and for the most part it was a pretty friendly thing it's almost radical now to have a friendly

02:21:16.980 conversation but that's what you're trying to do isn't it exactly that's exactly what we're doing

02:21:21.640 and it's working as Angela said we we are not combative in these meetings we're not we're not

02:21:27.380 putting anybody down we're not there's nothing like that at all um it's just well what are your

02:21:32.380 concerns and let's see if I have an answer and if I don't well then I don't but let's see what you

02:21:37.480 have to say and how come well congratulations on your success uh your website tell people what it

02:21:42.780 is it's very long okay go to the qr code go to the qr code it's abwomensindependencenetwork.com

02:21:52.100 okay and if you would like to support angela and kathy on the telethon go to albertatelethon.com

02:21:59.820 and click on their link hi i'm john bull

02:22:02.540 great joke everyone yeah it's too bad no one will ever know what it was

02:22:07.860 Welcome back to the Edmonton studio, guys. We are pleased to be joined by Mr. Michael Wagner.

02:22:13.220 I've been calling him Professor Wagner all night. He doesn't appreciate that, but I think it's cool.

02:22:18.820 So welcome. Thank you for joining us, sir.

02:22:20.780 Thanks for having me here. It's good to be here.

02:22:22.760 Maybe you can give kind of a little bit of a background in your involvement in this movement.

02:22:28.820 Well, actually, I originally got involved in the movement in about 1981.

02:22:31.880 I was a teenager in high school in Calgary, and I was triggered by Pierre Trudeau's National Energy Program,

02:22:37.080 So I joined the first major independence group at the time, which was called Westfed.

02:22:41.120 That group ended up folding.

02:22:42.500 And so the following year, an organization called the Western Canada Concept Party of Alberta

02:22:46.620 won a by-election in 1982.

02:22:48.480 And I was so excited by that, I joined that party.

02:22:50.620 By then, I was 16.

02:22:51.980 And then in November of 1982, there was a provincial election.

02:22:56.080 And so I handed out pamphlets for that party at that time, my first political activity.

02:23:00.140 So I wasn't even old enough to vote.

02:23:01.300 But I was really engaged with that activity, with the independence idea.

02:23:05.120 And so I participated in that.

02:23:07.020 And I stayed a little bit involved with that party for the 1980s,

02:23:09.120 but it folded at the end.

02:23:10.300 And, of course, the Reform Party came along at the end of the 1980s

02:23:13.080 and kind of absorbed all the independent sentiment for several years.

02:23:16.220 So like most other people who had been involved,

02:23:18.860 you know, I was either involved with the Reform Party or doing other things.

02:23:21.340 And I got reengaged in 2015 when Justin Trudeau was elected as prime minister.

02:23:26.100 And so I've been kind of re-involved since that time.

02:23:28.160 So I kind of have a long history to one degree or another with this movement

02:23:31.500 because I've really believed in this idea for a long time.

02:23:34.540 Would it be fair to say maybe from the early 90s through till the mid-2010s there,

02:23:40.860 was there, even though it wasn't necessarily a name,

02:23:43.660 was there still an underground sort of independent sentiment in the province, you would say?

02:23:48.580 Yeah, there was a little bit.

02:23:49.260 There was actually a very small party called the Separation Party of Alberta.

02:23:51.820 And they were around for a while.

02:23:53.320 And actually, around the year 2000, Corey Morgan created the Alberta Independence Party for a little while,

02:23:58.540 but didn't get a lot of traction.

02:23:59.820 So there were definitely people who believed in it still,

02:24:02.340 just a bit of small minority of people

02:24:03.700 because the Reform Party had been so successful at that time.

02:24:05.960 But the idea never died.

02:24:07.360 I mean, the idea really, the independence movement really started

02:24:10.420 when Pierre Trudeau became prime minister in the late 1960s.

02:24:13.200 That's when the, I mean, before that time,

02:24:14.920 you'll see the occasional letter to the editor

02:24:16.440 or an opinion editorial in a newspaper floating the idea of independence,

02:24:20.160 but it never became a movement until Pierre Trudeau became prime minister.

02:24:23.680 And so, and it was Pierre Trudeau who gave it credibility,

02:24:26.880 especially with the National Energy Program.

02:24:28.220 That's when people really came on board with the idea for the first time

02:24:31.060 in the early 1980s and so it hasn't died out since then like it dissipated a lot because the reform

02:24:36.560 party was such a credible organization and the idea that they had of reforming canada so the

02:24:41.080 west's voice could be heard in ottawa that's an idea that's a really good idea and it caught on

02:24:45.440 with a lot of people and they did a lot of good work the reform party but in the end it shows that

02:24:49.680 despite how much effort we can put in to try and reform canada we can't and so independence is our

02:24:54.880 only option we have left yeah you know it's kind of funny i never thought i would be sitting here

02:25:00.120 You're saying, thank you, Pierre Trudeau, because if it wasn't for you, we wouldn't be here right now.

02:25:04.760 That's true.

02:25:05.700 So how has it been for you, like with the ups and downs?

02:25:08.300 Because I imagine there's been a lot of times where you almost had a little bit of a false hope of things are going to go big as they are right now.

02:25:14.380 What was it like for you with all that up and down?

02:25:16.580 Actually, especially in those early years when I was a teenager, I was really putting a lot of hope in that 1982 election because, you know, the Western Canada concept party had been growing very rapidly.

02:25:24.580 And that's actually why our Premier, Peter Lough, he called an early election because he saw the WCC was growing so quickly.

02:25:30.580 He wanted to cut it off before it could organize properly.

02:25:33.320 And so I was really looking forward to a lot of MLAs for the party getting elected in 1982.

02:25:37.600 And when we didn't get any, I was really devastated, actually.

02:25:41.000 I was very emotional about that.

02:25:43.380 But I did, like I say, I stayed a little bit involved with the party.

02:25:45.760 And during the 80s, you know, as long as Pierre Trudeau was in power, there was hope for the movement.

02:25:51.000 And then when Brian Mulroney was elected in 1984,

02:25:53.900 it looked like people were going to put their hope in Brian Mulroney.

02:25:56.580 But he quickly stabbed us in the back with a CF-18 fighter jet contract that went to Montreal.

02:26:01.200 And so it wasn't long before the movement was growing again and the WCC was growing again.

02:26:05.020 And so, yeah, like, I mean, it never seemed close back in those days, if you know what I mean.

02:26:09.380 But I was really dedicated to it and I was willing to stick with it.

02:26:12.480 So, I mean, it was an idea that was, you know, kind of growing among a certain segment of the population.

02:26:16.680 And then, like I say, with the Reform Party coming along, that looked like a very hopeful thing.

02:26:20.280 It grew very quickly, and it did very well.

02:26:22.720 And like I said, it was a very good idea, and a lot of people were engaged,

02:26:25.280 and it looked like they could do something.

02:26:26.540 So there was a lot of optimism that Canada could be fixed, right?

02:26:30.360 And then, you know, they became the Canadian Alliance after it was a Reform Party

02:26:34.060 and became a Conservative Party of Canada.

02:26:35.740 So the emphasis on Western issues really dissipated toward the end of the 1990s,

02:26:40.400 but it did look like the party could potentially gain power as the Conservative Party of Canada,

02:26:44.180 which it did.

02:26:45.240 And Stephen Harper had been a Reform Party Member of Parliament, right?

02:26:47.420 So he was one of our guys, in a sense.

02:26:49.280 Like, we thought he could do things for us, and he tried to the degree that he could, to a certain degree.

02:26:53.380 I mean, any prime minister of Canada, regardless of their party, has to cater to Ontario and Quebec.

02:26:57.840 That's the bottom line.

02:26:58.920 And Stephen Harper had to do the same thing if he wanted to stay in, and he did.

02:27:02.080 And so we didn't get the kind of things that we really needed here in Alberta from the federal government.

02:27:06.160 And so, again, it just goes to show that we cannot fix this country from here.

02:27:09.760 We've got to become our own country if we want to be able to elect people who will do what's good for us

02:27:14.060 and not what's good for Toronto and Montreal.

02:27:15.560 Oh, the reality is Stephen Harper, even when he was here, he didn't exactly help us.

02:27:21.440 He just pulled the knife out of our back for a little while.

02:27:24.480 Actually, that's a good way of putting it.

02:27:25.640 I mean, it's not so much that the Conservatives could do a lot of good stuff for us.

02:27:29.180 It's just they give us a reprieve from the punishment of the Liberals.

02:27:32.380 You know, the Liberals are there to punish us and hurt us.

02:27:34.660 And when the Conservatives are in there, they won't do that.

02:27:36.580 Conservatives aren't going to hurt us, but there's not much they can do for us.

02:27:39.280 They just give us breathing room until the next Liberal government comes after us, basically.

02:27:43.460 Except that it was Harper that changed the equalization formula.

02:27:46.600 Yeah.

02:27:47.120 Include 50% of our resource revenues, but exclude Quebec.

02:27:50.640 That was the thing.

02:27:51.300 For votes.

02:27:51.740 Right, exactly.

02:27:53.060 So he also stabbed us in the back.

02:27:54.900 In that sense, well, like, I mean, he wanted...

02:27:56.900 Smaller knife.

02:27:57.880 That's the thing.

02:27:58.640 Like, any federal leader who wants to be in power has to cater to Quebec.

02:28:02.760 And the opportunity came up to change the equalization formula,

02:28:05.740 and he needed seats in Quebec,

02:28:07.000 because that was the one province where he was weakest, right?

02:28:09.000 So this was a way of gaining support in Quebec exactly.

02:28:11.360 So he did something that was bad for Alberta, for sure.

02:28:14.240 Yeah.

02:28:14.640 And speaking about change, I wanted to make another just quick reference to albertatelethon.com.

02:28:22.900 I have about four jokes that I just cycle through.

02:28:25.900 Constantly.

02:28:26.400 Constantly. 1.00

02:28:26.880 Try being my wife at home.

02:28:30.240 albertatelethon.com.

02:28:31.140 Actually, we just got a note that I thought was interesting.

02:28:33.780 Maybe the panel would like to hear.

02:28:35.700 Mr. John Wilkinson, who is on from Alberta Flags,

02:28:39.040 He messaged us and said that he's actually, since he's been on,

02:28:42.920 he's been getting a lot of $49 donations,

02:28:46.680 which is sort of an interesting note

02:28:49.840 because how frightened people are about having to give their information away

02:28:54.140 about what they're donating.

02:28:55.660 Even now, we have a question on a referendum.

02:28:59.900 We have some social legitimacy because we have signs everywhere

02:29:03.140 and flags everywhere.

02:29:04.620 Still, people are afraid to put their names down on a piece of paper

02:29:07.440 to engage in the democratic process.

02:29:10.960 What does this say?

02:29:12.080 What does this say?

02:29:12.740 It says we need out.

02:29:13.960 It just, it really does.

02:29:15.840 It says we need out.

02:29:18.420 Just a short story.

02:29:20.220 We had a donor who shall remain nameless,

02:29:24.500 but they used a middle name and then gave the 250.

02:29:30.420 So under 250, you're not on the public list,

02:29:34.460 but over 250 your name is immediately on the elections alberta's has donated over this much

02:29:40.500 right so he gave that much and then his spouse gave the 750 so that they could make it right up

02:29:48.540 to the to the thousand dollar mark that's what they wanted to give but the spouse used a middle

02:29:52.960 name as well so that it couldn't be tracked exactly to them right um it's really it's been

02:30:00.680 quite fascinating even today when i was at in red deer at the farmer's market you know i don't know

02:30:06.780 i want to put a sign out but my house is going to get egged if i do that i want to do this but

02:30:12.160 this is going to happen i want to do that but that is going to happen and all i can think of is you

02:30:16.780 know funny story none of this ever came from our side ever because it would have made the news

02:30:23.380 immediately and so yeah people are scared they're scared to put their names to something they're

02:30:29.200 scared to put that sign out because of repercussions it's ironic though because in my area that i live

02:30:36.060 in it's very very left-leaning extremely left-leaning not that all leftists are against

02:30:41.520 alberta independence there i know there's a lot of you who are for it you just don't want to say it

02:30:45.540 yeah but the moment i put up an alberta flag on my house all of a sudden one of the neighbors down

02:30:51.700 the street put up an alberta flag on their house and another neighbor put up an alberta flag on

02:30:55.860 their house and then i found out later that it actually helped build up our street credit with

02:31:00.980 our neighbors because they're like okay we know you're not crazy like the forever canadians are

02:31:06.020 these days and so like all of a sudden they're we actually made more friends and i've never had my

02:31:11.820 car get keyed i've never had my house connected and i'm in the heart of the uh the crazy place

02:31:16.060 yeah so yeah well that's the thing i mean even at our house the other day when i was in two hills

02:31:22.320 speaking with Chris Scott and his crew the dogs alerted my husband to somebody in the front

02:31:28.620 in the front yard and I've got signs I've got the flag like you know it's my house right and we are

02:31:33.720 also on a dead-end street so it's not through traffic that comes by and so he looks out the

02:31:38.800 window and he sees somebody lurking in the front and looking at the signs and looking at the flag

02:31:42.700 and he's like ah here we go you know now I got to get out there and blah blah blah anyway long

02:31:47.860 story short the guy is also for independence and so this conversation strikes up down the street

02:31:55.180 and he's like yeah I was just I don't know like a Facebook marketplace pickup or something like

02:31:58.480 that and couldn't help but notice and so this great conversation takes place and my husband

02:32:03.600 says well do you know who Kathy Flett is and he says yeah which always freaks me out like that

02:32:08.840 should not be a thing that should not be a thing but he's like yeah of course I do and he says

02:32:13.660 well, these are her signs. Do you want one? He left with three because I happen to have some in

02:32:18.240 the back of the truck. I got them in the back of all the vehicles that we have. So it's important

02:32:22.880 to have these symbols out there because you just don't know. You don't know what opportunity you're

02:32:29.160 going to be able to open up for somebody else to be able to be brave and go, yeah, you know what?

02:32:32.640 I'm going to do the same thing. Michael, in your experience working on these campaigns and

02:32:38.040 in being involved in this world in the 80s what do you notice differently from

02:32:42.380 how people treat a separatist quote-unquote for in the 80s and 90s

02:32:48.380 maybe compared to today do you notice much of a difference in how they're

02:32:51.500 treated in the public or online not online back then but you know I mean

02:32:55.560 like there's always been a stigma like I mean it was less common than back in

02:32:59.840 those days like it was is a brand new idea back then like no one had really

02:33:02.860 thought of it seriously until the 70s and the 80s so you were very much

02:33:06.260 minority it was like and the word separatist course has stigma with it still of course so

02:33:10.160 to just to identify with that word I mean some people today don't even want me to use that word

02:33:13.960 still but but I've been using that word for decades so I still will so it was very much a

02:33:17.860 stigma and like compared to right now like there's more independent supporters now than ever in in

02:33:22.360 Alberta so there's in certain communities it's there's no stigma I don't think at all like so

02:33:27.460 in that sense it's more comfortable to be an independent supporter now except for in the

02:33:31.440 sense like you're talking about people who don't want their names you know put it down and and what

02:33:34.720 I want to say about that is that shows how Canada has changed like it was never like that the Canada

02:33:39.600 that I was born and raised in was not like that you wouldn't have to be afraid of putting your

02:33:42.720 name on something but that just shows what the Liberals have done to this country it just shows

02:33:46.640 more why we need to get out how can we have freedom if people won't even put their names

02:33:50.400 down for what they support you know what I mean like that's not freedom there's some kind of fear

02:33:53.920 there that's been generated by the government the government has made people afraid to stand for

02:33:59.040 what they believe and speak what they believe that's not a free country in my view and I think

02:34:02.960 that's just one more argument why we need to become independent so we can have that freedom

02:34:06.560 again that we had before that's it's it is a great argument because and it and it's such an

02:34:11.520 important distinction to note that this is something that is very manufactured by by

02:34:16.640 government by media working together because you know like we talk about you know we we see this

02:34:21.920 in our neighborhoods like we if you have a like i have i was talking with uh our friend of the

02:34:27.200 channel off screen uh about our our neighborhood how we have uh we're sort of outnumbered uh from

02:34:32.560 alberta lawn science to forever canadian lawn science but these are neighbors that we like

02:34:37.680 and we get along with and you know there's no like you you run across them you get in the mail

02:34:41.920 or on their mowing their lawn or whatever like this is not a what you see online is not um it's

02:34:48.640 not representative of reality right and to make it seem that way is it's so so dark it's not nice

02:34:55.040 it's not good and and to make it seem like it's a uh a much more personal and much more vitriolic

02:35:01.120 sentiment like this is you know we have very reasonable arguments i think and i think if

02:35:05.520 more people were uh open to at least having a discussion about it rather than i think the trick

02:35:10.880 that the that the government and the media likes to play is um they say that even if you engage

02:35:16.240 in discussion about it you know you're you're giving it air or you're giving it but that's

02:35:20.640 exactly how you think you know this is a very you think by talking and by discussing and by

02:35:25.840 being challenged in your ideas and so it's it's ironic though because

02:35:32.480 forever canada appears to be creating a culture of encouraging this fomenting this kind of unity

02:35:40.240 this kind of thing where you know you need to attack them or you need to like do all this stuff

02:35:44.400 to a separatist come up with names and call them all that stuff but the reality is all that does

02:35:50.240 is makes it so you guys start to look more and more like the crazy ones so of course you're

02:35:55.680 going to attract more crazy people to your side but then over time the more normal people are

02:35:59.760 going to reject it and so i kind of find it a little bit serving us that they're doing that

02:36:05.840 that thomas lukazic has never come out once to denounce any of the violence done against any of

02:36:10.560 our albert independent supporters he's never come out once to even say stop harassing or doing all

02:36:15.840 this he's always silent on that and then in their private groups because i'm in your private groups

02:36:19.920 guys i mean all of them i see what you guys post i thought you got booted out of one i got put out

02:36:26.480 of one because i opened my mouth but yeah i've got alternative ways to stay in that one

02:36:31.760 but yeah so i always found it really interesting the other thing is they have no problem calling

02:36:34.800 us names but they there was a couple months ago they were someone i can't remember her name she's

02:36:39.920 got a little flag in her uh profile but she freaked out she's one of the canadian forever canadian

02:36:45.360 leaders she freaked out at the idea of being called an anti-separatist and had an absolute

02:36:51.760 freak out about it and so i played for a couple like weeks there just saying okay i respect that

02:36:56.560 you do not wish to be called that so how does maple nationalist sound or canadian confederate

02:37:03.280 how does that sound well it's funny you say that actually because we uh on the show james and i

02:37:08.960 i think james came up with this term but i'll take credit for it because he's not here

02:37:12.640 um he's behind the camera maple syrup flavored nationalism uh-huh which is what a lot of this

02:37:18.720 boils down to you know it's like there's people are nostalgic for a and you know what i i i try

02:37:23.920 to give them the benefit of the doubt that what they are forever canadians is nostalgic for a

02:37:29.760 canada that they remember but that no longer exists that's what it is yeah maybe you guys can

02:37:34.800 speak on that that's what it is well i can speak to that i can give you uh three stories in two

02:37:40.720 the last two home meetings we've had the smaller meetings that we've had

02:37:45.360 unbeknownst to me there were some people there who were not

02:37:49.360 I wasn't preaching to the choir they came and when one came kicking and

02:37:53.920 screaming is that fine if you will shut up and stop talking to me about this I

02:37:57.120 will go and hear what Kathy has to say and then I don't want to hear a word

02:37:59.760 about it right left going oh my gosh I had no idea

02:38:04.960 I had no idea right and then the second meeting same thing happened not kicking

02:38:08.960 and screaming but just really curious like what is it and you know it's going to be after eight 0.99

02:38:12.860 o'clock is she actually going to grow six heads like what's going to happen here because they

02:38:16.140 told all sorts of things about us so there's there's that that happens um and then there's

02:38:21.820 the everyday conversations that we have the opportunity to do to do this with and there

02:38:27.540 was one that was about a month ago now and it was somebody that I know don't know very well

02:38:32.760 somebody that I know and it came out the cat was out of the bag that I was a separatist and she

02:38:37.980 was horrified by that and she said you know what my kids my whole family is all for this but I'm

02:38:42.920 just not and so we had this back and forth conversation and she admitted like my kids

02:38:48.060 and my grandkids are never going to buy a house I know that but I just can't give up this Canada

02:38:52.380 and I my sovereignty and on and on and on I said so you admit that the Canada that you lived in

02:38:59.140 and were successful in and had every opportunity to achieve everything every goal you ever set

02:39:05.400 for yourself doesn't exist anymore and she said oh no i know that it doesn't i said then why would

02:39:10.960 you vote for your next generations to stay in that and she went oh my gosh i never thought of it that

02:39:19.000 way never thought of it that way right she was holding on to this nostalgia and it's those one

02:39:25.040 on one conversations that's why the rallies are great they have their place but it's that one on

02:39:29.800 one that's going to get this done. I think a big thing as well is that Alberta itself

02:39:34.880 didn't really transition from that old Canada until COVID. We were still living in old Canada

02:39:40.720 when the rest of Canada had long since gone and departed. I lived in Ontario for a few years

02:39:46.140 in the early 2000s, or 2010s I mean, and it was hardcore shifting back then. I came back home to

02:39:55.140 Alberta I'm like oh good everything's still normal and then COVID hit and it's just it's been on fast

02:40:01.060 forward trying to keep up now so we still have that remnant of Canada and Alberta and we're

02:40:05.660 trying to preserve that and keep that because it's very hard to get it back once you give it away

02:40:09.900 oh yeah and Michael you have some books here um maybe in and I'm sure you've talked about this in

02:40:15.920 in one of your books but kind of chronicling the maybe the the shift as Alberta has maybe not

02:40:22.800 shifted away from Canada but as how Canada has shifted away from Alberta maybe have you talk

02:40:29.000 about how Alberta is a throwback to what Canada used to be or reminiscent of that in some way

02:40:35.960 like can you speak to that a little bit from from what you've written yeah like not not quite

02:40:40.000 exactly what you're saying but related to the previous discussion is in in this particular

02:40:43.600 book here Alberta separatism and then now like I wrote this book it came out in 2009 so it's a

02:40:47.840 history of the origins and the early years of the Alberta independence movement up until 2008.

02:40:52.780 But one of the key people who I quote in here is Ted Byfield with Alberta Report magazine.

02:40:57.740 And for those who are younger, you might not remember Alberta Report magazine, but it went

02:41:00.380 from 1973 to 2003. It was a very, very influential magazine in Alberta and in Western Canada

02:41:06.160 generally. I mean, it was part of the effort to create the Reform Party. I mean, the influence

02:41:10.440 of Alberta Report magazine was key in the creation of the Reform Party. But in here, I talk about

02:41:14.820 it was Ted Byfield who in 1980 already was writing about the difference between

02:41:19.320 old Canada and new Canada because it was Pierre Trudeau who brought in the new

02:41:22.420 Canada. Pierre Trudeau brought in a different Constitution and that was the

02:41:26.320 Constitution is the foundational document of a country when you

02:41:29.400 change the Constitution you change the country. People need to understand that.

02:41:33.240 So in 1982 Pierre Trudeau was fundamentally changing Canada and he knew

02:41:37.080 it and that's what he wanted to do and Ted Byfield to go into details about how

02:41:40.860 Canada was different like he grew up in he was originally from Toronto and he

02:41:43.740 He came out to Alberta, became an Alberta patriot.

02:41:46.140 I mean, a lot of people from Alberta move here and become Alberta patriots.

02:41:49.160 And like when he was growing up, he had a different flag, and that was changed by the

02:41:52.900 Liberals in the 1960s, and actually the change in the flag was representative of the kind

02:41:56.880 of change they were introducing to the country in general, right?

02:41:59.500 So anyway, in that book, I'm quoting from Ted Byfield, how he talks about and describes

02:42:03.980 the change from old Canada to new Canada, and it was the old Canada he grew up in, it

02:42:08.340 was the Canada he loved and was loyal to, and he did not feel loyal to the new Canada

02:42:12.980 that Pierre Trudeau was introducing to us.

02:42:14.500 So that's part of what that book is about

02:42:16.520 because in those early years,

02:42:18.660 there was that cultural issue to the independence movement

02:42:21.740 because people realized our country was changing fundamentally

02:42:24.620 and they wanted to stick with the older Canada.

02:42:27.340 And so there was a lot of even meetings I went to,

02:42:30.140 I think there were like World War II veterans there

02:42:31.700 who were for the Alberta side

02:42:33.360 because they saw the country changing drastically

02:42:35.720 and they didn't like what they saw.

02:42:37.420 So that book talks a bit about that

02:42:38.640 because those are some of the original emphases

02:42:41.000 and themes of the independence movement back in those days.

02:42:43.920 So then in the second book, No Other Options,

02:42:46.920 Self-Determination for Alberta,

02:42:47.800 I do talk a lot about how Ted Byfield talks about Alberta's cultural identity.

02:42:52.120 Now, Alberta's identity isn't different from the rest of Canada

02:42:55.500 the way Quebec's is.

02:42:56.340 Quebec, they have a different language and a different history and stuff.

02:42:58.700 So Alberta is not distinctive from Canada the way Quebec is,

02:43:01.600 but it still has its own distinctive history.

02:43:04.340 We had way more American immigration in those early years, 0.99

02:43:06.780 which kind of set us apart from the rest of the country. 1.00

02:43:09.000 And there were other factors too.

02:43:10.680 And so Ted Byfield talked about those things,

02:43:12.420 about Alberta's cultural identity.

02:43:14.440 And that's an important part

02:43:15.660 if we're going to become our own country.

02:43:17.720 So we have to think of ourselves as Albertans,

02:43:20.260 as that would be our cultural identity

02:43:23.060 and our political identity.

02:43:24.380 And so that's kind of one of the themes that's in there.

02:43:26.380 But those are the kinds of things, though,

02:43:28.220 like that Ted Byfield talked about

02:43:29.500 that were so important for Albertans today

02:43:31.220 to understand about how we're different

02:43:33.060 and how we are more like the old Canada

02:43:35.400 than the Canada and the rest of the country.

02:43:38.340 But even in terms of our history,

02:43:39.820 we don't exactly have the same history that we're getting painted with all the time like alberta

02:43:44.220 was not essentially set up initially by canada it was rupert's land we were a completely different

02:43:51.660 colony that had nothing to do with canada and it wasn't until finally the british crown forced

02:43:57.020 the sale of it to canada that we even became a part of it and then we were treated like a

02:44:01.100 colony for the first 40 years a colony of another country essentially so we were settled by a

02:44:06.540 different very different group of people and even when we became part of Canada 0.80

02:44:09.900 for a long time only the rejects were sent out here if you were a dirty 0.82

02:44:15.060 Eastern European or like a lot of our ancestors were you weren't allowed to 0.97

02:44:19.440 settle in Upper Canada in Ontario or Quebec no you had to go out to the

02:44:24.000 prairies because oh yeah because Ukrainians are a lot of farmers and 0.72

02:44:27.660 that's why like we've got a giant Easter egg in Bankerville we have a huge like

02:44:32.880 Like Estonian, we have sausages in Mundair. 0.57

02:44:36.400 We have all the rejects that were sent out here. 1.00

02:44:38.980 So we weren't even settled by the same people who were settled in Ontario.

02:44:42.440 Honestly, when I look at our history, we are very different people than Ontarians.

02:44:46.340 But when you look at modern day Quebec and modern day Ontario, although their history is different,

02:44:51.980 their values have almost just become a French and English version of each other.

02:44:56.020 A lot of their values have aligned so much that they're pretty much become a monoculture that just speaks two different languages.

02:45:02.880 Actually, that's quite an interesting point because when you compare the settlement of the Canadian West with the American West,

02:45:07.460 like generally the American West kind of was gradually moving west and people would come in,

02:45:11.700 immigrants would come into eastern United States, become acculturated as Americans and then move west.

02:45:16.100 Whereas like what you're discussing, what is true, what truly happened is after the prairies were attached to Canada,

02:45:21.500 it was like there were very few people out here and they needed to bring in people to create an agricultural economy.

02:45:26.500 So at first there was opposition to bringing in eastern Europeans, like you mentioned,

02:45:31.640 because some of the, you know, the WASP people on Ontario

02:45:34.100 didn't want those kind of people. 0.96

02:45:35.040 Eventually we've got an interior minister

02:45:36.440 who went and advertised for people in Eastern Europe

02:45:38.820 and a whole flood of them suddenly came to the prairies.

02:45:42.640 And they didn't go through Eastern Canada

02:45:44.000 and become, like geographically they did on the train or whatever,

02:45:47.380 but they didn't stay there and become Canadianized

02:45:49.180 and then move out west. 1.00

02:45:50.540 They were plopped here as immigrants

02:45:51.840 and they Canadianized in the west

02:45:53.840 in a different experience from the people in Central Canada. 0.93

02:45:57.280 So what you're talking about is true

02:45:58.560 that our experience as Westerners here on the prairies,

02:46:01.960 the way we developed a Canadian identity

02:46:03.500 was different from the historical experience

02:46:05.860 of those in central Canada.

02:46:07.460 And, like, this is important to me.

02:46:08.560 Like, my paternal ancestors came to the prairies in 1902,

02:46:11.780 and so this is kind of like our,

02:46:13.020 and probably some of the others here, I'm sure,

02:46:14.780 people in the audience,

02:46:15.960 their ancestors came early in that time period

02:46:18.240 to the prairies, and we're descendants of that.

02:46:21.220 We're reaping the fruit of their efforts

02:46:23.180 to get us here, you know?

02:46:24.320 But so exactly what you're saying was exactly true.

02:46:26.560 and like a lot of it as well was just the strain of geography like the united states it was just

02:46:31.280 like gradually like a guy would move in just a little further away than the last guy just a

02:46:36.260 little further away plus we had the canadian shield exactly it literally divided us up and

02:46:41.160 so it's no surprise that when you know they're looking at it they're like oh convenient we can

02:46:46.140 just send them so far away that we don't even have to think about them and that's what happened

02:46:50.300 and we just became a resource colony they sent so many uh people out here a lot of them did

02:46:56.380 really well a lot of them died and they didn't care they just took in the money

02:46:59.920 from all the agricultural sales that they got over time and sorry please go

02:47:04.180 I was gonna add one more way in which we were different from the rest of Canada

02:47:07.200 is when you look at our provincial political history we would form

02:47:10.380 alternative political parties so you know the original party was liberal

02:47:13.700 party but in 1921 the United Farmers of Alberta became our government United

02:47:17.280 Farmers of Alberta from 1921 to 1935 and with 1935 it's a social credit party of

02:47:22.200 Alberta up until 1971 those are parties that weren't in other provinces you know

02:47:26.000 in terms of forming government.

02:47:27.160 I mean, eventually in BC, there was a Social Credit Party

02:47:29.000 that kind of keyed off Alberta, but it was different in its own way.

02:47:31.760 But Alberta was very distinct from the rest of the country

02:47:34.080 in terms of our voting trends, and federally as well.

02:47:36.380 We voted federally for the Social Credit Party for many years,

02:47:39.220 and previous to that, the Progressive Party of Canada.

02:47:41.620 So when you look just at our voting history,

02:47:43.340 you can see how different we are from the other provinces.

02:47:46.400 Honestly, if it wasn't for Stockwell Day losing so bad,

02:47:48.680 I think we probably would still have our own parties.

02:47:51.940 I don't know.

02:47:52.540 Because we never would have become a conservative stronghold otherwise.

02:47:55.140 but everything you guys say is true i mean one of the the quotes that i give in every presentation

02:48:02.280 that i do is the sir clifford sypton quote right where every canadian every patriotic canadian

02:48:09.580 is going to want all the trade from the prairie to go to the east to enrich them

02:48:13.960 that's the shortened version of it but that's why we were created was so that all of our bounty

02:48:19.860 all the fruits of our labor could go to the east that that was the plan and here we are all these

02:48:25.940 years later and it's no different but what's neat to me is despite that and people still came here

02:48:31.520 and a hearty bunch of people right like you go way up north and it's very hardy nobody told them

02:48:36.660 about the snakes in the south and the minus holy moly in the north right they just only just showed

02:48:41.180 up and did what they could with what they what they had and when you dig into the history books

02:48:46.500 the few that there are there's stories of the women being home alone with the kids while the

02:48:52.840 men went to go and work to try and support them and they didn't speak the same language as their

02:48:58.760 neighbor but they would still go and have sunday dinner just so they were around people like that's

02:49:06.760 what this province was built on and that's why when you go to any pick any small community pick

02:49:12.240 anyone and what do you see first you see an old church you see an old church that's probably

02:49:17.480 dilapidated now but that was the first building that was built the second building that was built

02:49:23.220 was the school because everybody appreciated how important education was and so then there was the

02:49:28.640 church there was the school and if it was a bigger community the next thing they would build is a

02:49:32.680 community hall and you go to all these little towns and there's community halls you go to the

02:49:37.480 bigger centers there's the german community hall the ukrainian community hall the dutch community

02:49:40.980 hall that exactly what you were talking about right all these people came together and they

02:49:44.760 made it work that's what this province was built on and the three words that angela and i have

02:49:50.520 been hanging on to in this campaign is family community sovereignty you cannot have the first

02:49:57.240 two without the last one and that's what they eroded they purposely eroded the family which

02:50:04.680 then eroded the community and now they're trying to take our sovereignty and we just can't stand

02:50:09.080 for it that's not what this province was built on no it was not it was built on being a resource

02:50:14.040 colony and speaking of resource colonies uh really you can view us today as your resource colony for

02:50:20.680 albertatelethon.com where our purpose is to direct funds to our six great tpas

02:50:28.280 you're good that was very smooth the king of the segway that's great i wish i had updated

02:50:33.240 numbers for you but but if you're if you're tuning in earlier we were reporting that

02:50:37.160 um keith wilson's tpa keith wilson and tanya yeah uh they they surely must be over 50 000 now

02:50:43.640 um the the women's network uh the women alberto women for independence network yeah i got that

02:50:49.240 right close enough yeah perfect they're over 10 000 corey morgan's over 11 000 um amazing work

02:50:56.520 guys uh we we really really appreciate that you know this is what we're here for we need if we're

02:51:01.400 going to talk about high-minded things like sovereignty and uh you know where our future

02:51:07.400 is going and how we can uh you know build build something better than what we have currently for

02:51:12.680 our children and our grandchildren the fact is that these things take money and the people on

02:51:19.000 the other side of this debate right now have seemingly unlimited money they have government

02:51:24.040 money, in fact, and they have different reporting structures and rules surrounding their money than

02:51:31.660 we do. So let's make sure to do this right. Remember that in order to donate to any of the

02:51:36.480 TPAs, you have to be an Albertan citizen. You have to, if you donate under $50, you don't need to

02:51:43.680 provide information anywhere between $50 and $250. You need to give some information. Please fill

02:51:50.540 the information correctly so that you're not uh accidentally donating to elections alberta because

02:51:55.780 they'll take those funds so i think it goes right to the government i think it goes right to general

02:51:59.760 revenue yeah yeah um and you can donate up to five thousand dollars uh in in any one election

02:52:05.540 cycle i think is the rule right in any one year or something like this yes um if you're wanting

02:52:11.160 to donate in the thousands of dollars maybe double check that first um and if you live outside of

02:52:17.600 alberta you can always buy one of michael wagner's books and learn a little bit more about alberta

02:52:24.080 independence and how it came to be this guy's a wealth of knowledge and his books are fantastic

02:52:28.420 i've read two of them where can michael where can people uh find your buy your books can they

02:52:34.140 buy directly from you well actually this particular one that mr alberta held up is available

02:52:38.580 available on amazon.ca and all three of the books are available at a website called merchantship.ca

02:52:44.600 like it's a homeschool supply online store,

02:52:47.960 but they carry my books as well.

02:52:49.520 And so they carry all of them.

02:52:50.760 I've got three books in Alberta Independence.

02:52:52.340 So if you go to merchantship.ca and put my name in,

02:52:54.780 my books on Independence will come up,

02:52:56.260 and they're less expensive there than they are on Amazon too.

02:52:58.800 Amazing.

02:52:59.460 Did I ever tell you our cool story about your books?

02:53:01.760 No.

02:53:02.100 Okay.

02:53:02.720 So we had Angela hosted a home meeting, 1.00

02:53:05.920 and there was 20 women there. 0.98

02:53:07.720 And the way that the host got these 20 women to show up 0.99

02:53:10.960 was she said, you know what,

02:53:11.760 it's been a long time since we've been in school. 0.99

02:53:13.260 perhaps we need a refresher social studies course and so these 20 women showed up for charcuterie

02:53:18.480 and tea and all the rest and angela brought out your books and gave them the social studies course

02:53:24.400 that we do and they left doing a book club on your book oh thank you so much yeah that's great

02:53:29.940 professor wagner working even when he's not there that's so good that's how we work together there's

02:53:35.300 no competition here oh no competition yes before we run out of time yeah we i mentioned this earlier

02:53:41.400 in the stream so we're going back to paul's pizza they're in airdrie so just north of calgary we're

02:53:46.580 not not right now but at at the top of the hour um and we bring in the edmonton location we were

02:53:52.120 talking about like what can we you know we wanted to maybe put a little bit of edmontonia in this

02:53:57.460 stream and we talked about maybe some oilers uh oilers gear or this would be good or this would

02:54:02.260 be good so uh you know they talk about in this movement having a big tent you know we want to

02:54:07.780 have people of all stripes. We're not just preaching to the choir. And so in the spirit

02:54:14.980 of that, I just wanted to maybe put this on the table for everyone. All you Calgary

02:54:21.000 independent supporters, you are welcome, in fact, to join us in supporting the Edmonton Oilers.

02:54:28.460 It is not a good time to be a Calgary Williams fan. We all know this.

02:54:31.840 your arena is garbage your team is almost as bad uh and so 0.99

02:54:39.000 we want to invite you to be a fan instead of the edmontonians because we have the greatest player 0.99

02:54:46.600 to ever play hockey playing for us currently i'll die on that hill um and uh and uh yeah so we you

02:54:53.980 know we just wanted to just have this little this is a little gift for from us just a little visual

02:54:58.780 gift for the next uh 20 minutes on the stream so thank you for reminding me yeah you can fit in

02:55:04.200 our big tent anytime anyway go flames so it's been great having michael wagner on the show

02:55:11.360 i was in high school in calgary when the flames came from atlanta well so it's it's deeply burned

02:55:17.760 in my heart those those early years the flames did really well those early years they did

02:55:21.220 i actually think technically even to this day they still have a winning record against the

02:55:28.580 Oilers much to my chagrin I think that's and they may it may have adjusted in the last five ten years

02:55:33.440 but um I'd have more respect if they actually made it to the finals well hey you know well fun fact

02:55:39.240 we do often get asked what's going to happen to our sports teams once we're our own nation right

02:55:44.720 right well I mean that's a that's an interesting question little things like that come up all the

02:55:49.260 time you know big concerns about like well you know my family lives in BC like am I going to be

02:55:54.140 able to well it's like i mean yeah like if you have people have family in the u.s that go visit

02:55:58.460 like we're different countries in the nhl you know the nhl is made up of two different countries

02:56:03.260 right now what would be the difference of adding quote unquote a third you know they play official

02:56:08.540 nhl games in um in europe now you know they the nfl plays games in in europe and south america

02:56:14.400 like we're you know as much as we maybe hate to admit it like we're a fairly global world right

02:56:20.140 now things can just happen that's one of our kind of rallying christ in the movie you know you can

02:56:25.860 just do things you know like not only that but once our taxes drop that's what i was thinking

02:56:30.140 we'll be able to keep some players here they won't be going down south well they don't have

02:56:33.740 to give away their money yeah well people scratch their heads and wonder why like huh why does it

02:56:37.440 seem like every you know middle to high value canadian player they just always end up playing

02:56:42.900 in florida what what could be the reason why could it be their tax structure i don't know could it be

02:56:48.000 the beautiful weather we can only really accommodate one of those i think here that's

02:56:52.720 right although it's been really hot this week so we'll have one week yeah yeah it's been comparable

02:56:58.180 to florida yeah yeah yeah it's been great what are some weird um maybe we can take the last you

02:57:03.580 know 10 15 minutes here what are some questions that you guys get or concerns that you guys get

02:57:08.440 a lot when you're talking to people about this movement that maybe we wouldn't think to ask like

02:57:12.980 some some of a very personal concern that somebody might have if they were on the fence of well you

02:57:18.280 know i understand the the value of being independent but x you know like what would be your what are

02:57:24.860 some of the maybe more interesting things that you've heard that people have been concerned

02:57:28.320 about well i think one of the issues that was addressed earlier was risk and for me that's the

02:57:31.680 number one thing like becoming independent country is a risky venture like what we're doing is risky

02:57:36.800 like let's just admit that but staying in canada is risky too that's my reply you know what i mean

02:57:41.380 even more risky riskier yeah well look what the liberals are doing to this country is this the

02:57:44.800 direction that you want to go with your future and your family's future I mean it's not like

02:57:49.000 the liberals are doing you know just did one time one strange thing like this is they're

02:57:52.840 incrementally taking away our freedom and and crushing the Canada that we used to know they're

02:57:56.920 doing that incrementally so that people don't notice it as quickly but it's happening and as

02:58:00.340 if we stay in Canada we're going to continue to lose our freedoms and so the the risk of staying

02:58:05.800 in Canada yeah there's a risk of leaving and there's a risk of staying so it's a matter of

02:58:08.680 which risk are you willing to take we know which direction we're going with canada you know becoming

02:58:13.240 independent it's a different risk but we risk becoming free we get more freedom that way so

02:58:17.380 but i think risk is kind of the number one thing that people bring up for me is it yeah um the one

02:58:23.480 that always surprises me because i just don't understand it is well am i gonna need a passport

02:58:29.100 to go visit my family back east like i don't know it's up to canada it's up to canada yeah you know

02:58:36.680 it might be I'm old enough to remember when all you needed to do was have

02:58:40.600 driver's license to go down to the US you didn't need all your paperwork and

02:58:44.720 show that your dog had had their regular shots and all that you know right you

02:58:48.200 just didn't need all of you didn't need a file folder across the border you

02:58:51.800 needed one little card I don't see why we couldn't have that same type of

02:58:56.920 relationship with the rest of Canada it's kind of interesting as well because

02:59:00.800 for Alberta we've always needed a flexible workforce yeah so we have no

02:59:06.320 reason to deny people dual citizenship most likely alberta will keep the tradition of dual citizenship 0.98

02:59:11.840 for canada they're the ones who as a threat it sounds really good to say we're going to take

02:59:17.760 away your canadian citizenship but in reality there's no mechanism to do that the only mechanism

02:59:23.280 to lose your citizenship in canada is by committing fraud when you apply that's it there's no other

02:59:31.520 way for you to have your citizenship stripped you could act commit actual treason and try to kill

02:59:36.800 the king and your punishment's the death penalty but we're not going to take your citizenship away

02:59:41.280 there's literally no way for you to lose that citizenship and for canada to put in a new law

02:59:46.720 because they totally can that doesn't infringe on the constitution to strip our citizenships

02:59:51.600 will be very difficult for them because under the canadian constitution you are protected based on

02:59:56.800 your origin so canada can't just come out and say we're going to allow dual citizenship in every

03:00:02.640 other country except albera because that's discriminating origin likewise as well they

03:00:09.120 can't put a discrimination against uh freedom of travel even though they did during covid they have

03:00:17.040 they're not able to put in don't remember oh yeah don't trauma but you know it's interesting with

03:00:21.280 these kinds of arguments with the passport and citizenship and so on is nobody's saying look

03:00:25.440 how great Alberta is in Canada look how great it is don't you want to stay with all these things

03:00:29.440 they're saying well this will be hard and this will be hard like there's no positive image of

03:00:33.760 Alberta staying with in Canada it's all negative stuff from the other side they don't have a

03:00:37.840 positive vision and to your point earlier too about you know what an indictment about what

03:00:42.320 Canada has become is that we even have to worry about what sort of punitive measures Canada is

03:00:48.420 likely to impose on us for exerting our democratic will you know like that would not have been a

03:00:53.360 like aren't we supposed to be the polite ones aren't we supposed to be like you know the kind

03:00:57.260 and accommodating and like why wouldn't the discussion be you know you know how they maybe

03:01:02.700 at least a little bit of how they treated quebec in the 80s and the 90s like oh sweetheart please 1.00

03:01:07.640 don't you know you're my my canada includes quebec now it's you know you're idiot ditch 0.99

03:01:12.200 billy traders and you know good riddance but you also you can't leave so yeah what's important 0.99

03:01:17.260 about that too is like canada's constitutional law allows provinces to leave if they follow the

03:01:22.200 proper process and that's what we're trying to do like this is the law like

03:01:25.320 how can you be a traitor if you're following the law I've never heard a

03:01:28.380 definition of traitor where if you obey the law you become a traitor like it's

03:01:31.580 completely it's completely off off base totally this is Canada's law why are we

03:01:36.260 being threatened for doing something that the country allows that the law

03:01:38.800 allows it's completely constitutional it's completely in line with the

03:01:42.420 legislation we're doing nothing wrong and yet they're making all these threats

03:01:46.200 against us like it's like I say it just shows what a bad country Canada has

03:01:49.320 become. The funny thing is they'll throw out the argument saying, oh, you're never going to get

03:01:54.000 that constitutional amendment, which number one is a burden on themselves because they think they're

03:01:57.500 so horrible that you'll never get the amendment. But also Keith Wilson can correct me if I'm wrong

03:02:02.340 on this. And he will. They can't do the constitutional amendment until after we leave

03:02:08.440 because otherwise they're stripping Canadians of their rights. So we need to go have the

03:02:13.700 negotiations we need to go form our own government we need to do everything cut ties become our own 0.98

03:02:19.780 country then they can remove us but if they don't remove us then they technically have a foreign

03:02:26.900 country that's completely autonomous and gone having voting rights in their leftover of Canada

03:02:34.160 so it's kind of a weird kind of flex that I'm trying to say hey we're not going to let you

03:02:38.680 leave because we can't get a constitutional amendment even though pretty much you leave

03:02:42.680 and then we amend it so there's no real threat there but they bury it they loft it around like

03:02:48.600 it's an actual like good point or something like that well you know james has brought this up in

03:02:52.880 our show before where a lot of the times i think when people use the word traitor when they refer

03:02:57.020 to us really what they're saying is something more like disloyal or something like i don't think

03:03:03.700 they're trying to use the word in in a legal sense because it does have a legal meaning it's more of

03:03:08.260 an emotional sense right because this is a very emotional topic for a lot of people and they view

03:03:12.660 it as a um it's hard for some people to view it from a cold logical like listen these are why

03:03:19.780 objectively this makes sense because they view it as an emotional like you know we're you know

03:03:24.480 we're canadian you know it's nice and it's kind and igloos and whatever and maple syrup on a stick

03:03:30.940 like yeah so it's i have some sympathy for that because it's a i get the patriotism aspect of it

03:03:37.880 but it's just you got to use the right words um i got a small update by the way yes we've got about

03:03:42.880 you know 12 13 minutes here uh do you want to know what the women's independence network you 0.98

03:03:48.120 guys are over 12 000 now come on yes yeah yes thanks everybody um let alberta decide uh keith

03:03:57.080 wilson and tanya um why can't i think of tanya's last name on clemens yes of course sorry tanya

03:04:02.820 you guys are over 50k nice yeah and there's also a note that they wanted to let us know

03:04:10.680 let you guys know for people who are going to Paul's Pizza tonight in Airdrie if you are maybe

03:04:16.100 hesitant or you don't want to or don't have the ability to donate online they have donation bins

03:04:20.660 there so you can donate cash they have six different jars I guess for the TPA so nice

03:04:25.900 option to have nice cold hard cash yeah cash never runs out of batteries cash never runs out of

03:04:31.860 batteries it's always um it's always going to get used for the good cause what i love too about all

03:04:37.980 the different tpas i think i said it in the first segment is we all have kind of our lane like

03:04:42.660 almost all of us have signs but we all each have something specific that we are talking about so

03:04:49.360 it's not like oh well my money is going to go to six of the same things it is not right it's

03:04:54.080 absolutely not it's going to go to six different things and and that just completely helps build

03:04:59.460 up that message build up the movement and get all the message out there in a way that all the

03:05:04.440 different people can hear it and understand it and so there's no bad dollar spent on anything

03:05:09.320 I think that's a really good point because there are some people say well look there's so many

03:05:12.040 groups that's divided no it's just the different groups appeal to different segments of the

03:05:15.760 population like not everybody's the same not everybody's convinced by the same argument or

03:05:20.300 or you know or the same appeal or whatever so you need different groups that have different

03:05:24.260 arguments and different appeals to different segments of the population yeah so the more

03:05:27.700 tpas there are the better because they can reach more people yeah not only that but it's been

03:05:32.540 fascinating just watching like how everything changed over the last two years like before it

03:05:37.220 was alberta prosperity project they were the ones leading the charge they're rallying everybody and

03:05:41.920 then it became state free alberta and that's when things took off because we had one job

03:05:45.580 to get the signatures and that's it just go get the signatures done and then once it was done it

03:05:51.680 went from one job to literally like 30 40 different kinds of jobs we have to do alberta

03:05:57.340 prosperity projects focusing on the political angle because we're going to need that. We're

03:06:00.480 going to need to be able to pressure our government. And then all these other different

03:06:03.820 TPAs have popped up to be able to focus on different things. Like we just had John, for

03:06:07.940 those of you who just turned in, who's literally his entire TPA is getting Alberta flags across

03:06:12.340 the country or the province. And the TPAs are really important. And that's one thing I want

03:06:18.380 to emphasize really quick. The reason why we have TPAs is so that way it's Albertans

03:06:23.060 talking to Albertans in this campaign.

03:06:25.380 It's very critical.

03:06:26.880 Despite what Forever Canadian and other groups might be doing,

03:06:30.080 we are able to look and say,

03:06:31.740 this is just an Albertan movement with Albertans,

03:06:34.240 with Albertan money, and we like it that way.

03:06:36.680 It's perfect, and we're happy to continue doing that.

03:06:40.220 Eventually, the referendum's going to be over

03:06:42.020 and things are going to move into the next phase,

03:06:43.760 but right now, that's the reason why these TPAs are so important,

03:06:46.620 and that's why we ask you to donate to as many as you can,

03:06:49.360 as much as you can afford, because this is for our future.

03:06:53.060 But that being said, putting food on your table is also very important.

03:06:55.920 And something, if I can jump in.

03:06:57.180 Please.

03:06:57.920 For the TPAs to remember.

03:06:59.800 So it stands for third-party advertiser.

03:07:01.700 In this case, it's for the referendum.

03:07:03.900 I know some people have been pretty hard on elections, Alberta,

03:07:06.260 and I'm going to root for them one more time by saying we've never done this to them before.

03:07:11.500 True.

03:07:12.040 Ever.

03:07:12.420 Yeah, good point.

03:07:13.800 And so this is all new for everybody.

03:07:16.320 It's new legislation.

03:07:17.740 It's a new workload for everybody.

03:07:20.100 So we're all trying to feel this out.

03:07:22.120 And I've often said that this side of the conversation is literally their worst nightmare because we're doers, right?

03:07:29.100 We just, we get up and we see something needs to get done and we go, we do it.

03:07:32.120 You don't ask permission, you just get it done.

03:07:34.820 And there's legislation around this.

03:07:37.300 And so we've, you know, some of us who get up a little earlier than others have had to back up and go, oh, shoot, sorry, I didn't mean to do it that way.

03:07:44.160 How can I fix it?

03:07:45.040 What can I do to make this better?

03:07:46.880 And so some patience has been required because of that.

03:07:49.500 and and the reason that we have kind of these um fences if you will around what we do as tpas

03:07:56.660 is because i don't know if you all know this or not but in canada there's a small problem

03:08:01.840 with foreign interference i have to report every dollar that comes in even if i don't have to tell

03:08:09.220 them who gave it when it's under the 50 dollar mark i have to report it all and i and i'm under

03:08:15.580 the i'm obligated to to sign my name that yep these are all from albertans and so there's reasons

03:08:23.900 there's reasons for these parameters and we want to make sure we're following the rules so that's

03:08:29.360 why they have tpas yeah yeah it is you know just like many other things you know you you something

03:08:35.680 starts off as a the intention is good the the ethics behind it is good um and just like so many

03:08:42.740 things it can be corrupted and pushed and maneuvered and bent and you know so yeah we that's a great

03:08:50.020 attitude to have because we don't want to antagonize our you know as as easy as it is and

03:08:54.020 maybe as fun as it is sometimes to antagonize like dumb bureaucracy yeah we still got to play the

03:09:00.420 game if you know if we want to be taken seriously and and and be legitimate and of course we do

03:09:05.460 because just like you said mr wagner this is a legal process this is well he was professor

03:09:12.580 wagner earlier he's sometimes it depends how serious the point is if we're talking hockey he's

03:09:19.180 just mike go flames anyway like i said great to have you here but um but yeah you know they will

03:09:29.960 seize somebody will seize any opportunity to to call this illegitimate and to to make it difficult

03:09:36.720 for us because we are you know like it or not sort of like you say we've never done this before and

03:09:40.720 we are we are the change you know like this is the it doesn't take any guts to say like no i'm happy

03:09:47.940 with how everything is yeah i don't want i'll have more of this please thank you you know that's the

03:09:52.860 default you know forever canada is the default we're the ones who are rocking the boat a little

03:09:57.880 bit and so yeah it makes sense you know we want to want to keep everything above board and we're

03:10:02.600 the ones that when we hear those those arguments back to us or those excuses back to us oh it's

03:10:07.120 to be too hard it's gonna be it's like huh what good like anything good is worth doing right

03:10:14.160 right let's go what's actually going to be hard about it i mean like half of the institutions

03:10:18.560 we already have we already have an alberta revenue agency what borders do we have to really protect

03:10:23.360 like canada isn't going to invade us even if canada invades us even if canada invades us though we

03:10:32.480 We have more veterans in our province than the Canadian army has in the entire army.

03:10:38.460 It's not really like that big of a deal.

03:10:40.300 And they have Cold War era weapons.

03:10:41.860 Actually, a funny point about invading, if I can just interrupt.

03:10:44.980 That's always my favorite objection, is that the U.S. is going to invade us if we become independent.

03:10:50.460 And because we won't have a military, as if the only thing that's preventing the U.S. from invading us now is Canada's military superiority.

03:10:58.220 superiority actually it would take longer to invade alberta than it would on ottawa because

03:11:04.360 ottawa is only 45 minutes away yeah whereas alberta is five hours away oh sorry guys we're

03:11:10.440 getting cut off we're going to paul's pizza soon kathy michael thank you guys so much for this this

03:11:16.200 has been so fun thank you you guys are rock stars this is fun this is amazing we really appreciate

03:11:21.140 guys so john we got to do this again i'm just saying yes john we're putting you to work yeah

03:11:26.220 and guys tune in you'll be hearing from uh mr dale or mr mr alberton and mrs alberton down at

03:11:34.440 paul's pizza it'll be a live stream if you're in the area feel free to come by and then at nine

03:11:38.780 o'clock you're coming back here for fringe showing up with keith wilson so there's a lot of stuff

03:11:43.840 still coming up but please donate today donate and help us to be able to push this movement forward

03:11:50.180 so albertatelethon.com thanks everybody

03:11:57.220 Wow, what a fantastic crowd. There are thousands of our fellow Albertans here

03:12:06.740 today. Thank you for being at the largest ever rally for Alberta sovereignty in

03:12:12.900 Alberta's history. We are at an inflection point, ladies and gentlemen, a

03:12:23.020 a time in history where we have a choice and that choice is do we continue to be subservient 0.97

03:12:30.300 to ottawa and the enslavement by our federal government or do we chart or do we chart a new 0.58

03:12:38.140 path forward to freedom and prosperity through independence we have the leverage we have the

03:12:47.580 power we have the ability to empower our provincial government to be able to for the first time in

03:12:56.380 history negotiate a new sovereign alberta from a position of strength and that position of strength

03:13:04.300 comes from a successful referendum on alberta sovereignty albertans it's time we face the truth

03:13:11.660 ottawa's system cannot be fixed from within every path to fairness is blocked by design

03:13:19.020 every single year we lose between 20 and 28 billion dollars in equalization payments

03:13:25.980 that's about 6 000 per alberton or for an average family of four that's 24 000 your family

03:13:34.220 gives away to ottawa for no services in return

03:13:41.660 that's money that you earned and money you'll never see again but after all these things

03:13:50.660 they have not yet broken our spirit alberta is not getting a fair deal in canada right now

03:13:58.260 and here's the truth if we actually want real change the kind that means opening up the

03:14:04.420 constitution that's nearly impossible for albertans to do on our own but if we vote yes

03:14:10.880 in a sovereignty referendum that changes everything suddenly alberta is not begging to be heard

03:14:19.740 we'd be negotiating from a position of strength for the first time in our history and when that

03:14:27.100 happens when we vote yes to sovereignty ottawa will listen i'm told constantly on my channel

03:14:34.540 Fringe, there is no way you can vote your way out of this mess.

03:14:38.600 I beg to differ.

03:14:43.300 Alberta, you've been handed a golden ticket.

03:14:45.420 You've been given a golden opportunity.

03:14:47.380 You've said for years your vote has no weight in the federal elections.

03:14:52.940 Our Senate is unrepresented.

03:14:55.480 Our votes just put bums in chairs while Toronto, Southern Ontario, and Montreal decide who runs our country. 0.98

03:15:02.040 But this vote, ladies and gentlemen, this vote gives you more weight and more power than you've ever had in your life.

03:15:11.080 If you are a true Albertan, you owe it to your children, grandchildren, your future great-grandchildren

03:15:17.540 to vote for prosperity to ensure that there is a land left here for them,

03:15:23.440 that they can afford homes, they can have families, they can build memories, and they can be prosperous and free.

03:15:29.400 But I'm confident that no matter what happens in that process, and this is critically important, that next year, whether it's in the spring or the fall, there will be a province-wide referendum.

03:15:44.660 them. But we cannot, for the sake of our children, underestimate the magnitude of that challenge.

03:16:02.460 We have to get like 1.8 million Albertans to vote yes. That means every single one of

03:16:12.280 you is now charged with a mission and that mission is to talk to your friends talk to your colleagues

03:16:20.520 at work the guys on your shift the people in your baseball team or your hockey league

03:16:28.520 everybody that you encounter to have the awkward discussions to get them to understand the

03:16:35.080 opportunity that's before us the opportunity that how they will benefit how their family

03:16:40.760 will benefit how their community will benefit how their kids will benefit by voting yes that is the

03:16:47.400 imperative that we all have we can do it you must do it are we going to fight for our kids

03:16:58.600 there's a lot of people here today but it's not enough we need more people which means that each

03:17:05.000 and every one of you you need to ask yourself are you willing to make the sacrifices necessary

03:17:12.360 specifically with your time to make this happen are you willing to actually go and have the

03:17:18.600 difficult conversations with those who may scoff at you so that you can make these changes are you

03:17:25.480 willing to give up your friday night or your saturday night like most of these people have

03:17:30.120 been doing for the last three four years to make this happen and if you if you're willing to answer

03:17:37.480 yes which i'm sure most of you are then you need to walk the walk when you leave here you need to

03:17:43.080 start doing these things you need to educate yourselves on what the situation we're in and

03:17:48.920 what the solution looks like you need to know the details so that when you have these conversations

03:17:54.200 you're an effective ambassador for independence. Every one of you is an ambassador for Alberta

03:18:01.020 independence. Did you know that? So just in saying, I've got a little thing,

03:18:09.900 Kearney's got the elbows up thing going. You know, it's kind of a hockey thing, right? I'm a hockey

03:18:16.860 player. I'm going to tell you a little thing about hockey players. There's a challenge that goes on.

03:18:22.860 I don't know if you're aware of it, but I'm aware of it.

03:18:26.680 Sometimes guys will sidle up to you and say, come on, let's go.

03:18:32.200 Do you want to go?

03:18:34.440 So at that moment, you either do or you don't.

03:18:39.520 And if you don't, that guy probably owns you and you're a little intimidated.

03:18:45.480 And then once you get intimidated, it stops everything from working.

03:18:49.320 So here's what I'm going to ask you.

03:18:51.140 let's change that up because the answer to come on let's go is let's go right

03:18:59.740 so I'm going to ask you as a group you know there's a double meaning there come on let's go

03:19:09.860 so that's going to be the battle cry for our movement how about that

03:19:16.880 so I'm going to ask you a question and then you can tell me if you want to go or not is the

03:19:24.180 federal government stealing from us are they sabotaging our industry are they taking us down

03:19:32.400 the path to communism are they censoring us are they stealing our guns from us come on let's go

03:19:42.140 thank you very much

03:19:44.820 I want to tell every one of you that's here today, I have never been so proud to be at

03:19:55.480 Albertan.

03:19:59.640 I look out across that sea of blue flags and I see that today, going forward, should be

03:20:06.060 know on October 25th is Alberta Independence Day. It's time to end the

03:20:16.620 tyranny of Ottawa and keep our money at home to take care of our families, fund

03:20:22.380 Alberta education, fund our hospitals, fund our doctors, fund our Indigenous

03:20:27.060 people and take care of Albertans and there is only one solution and that is

03:20:37.680 to get Alberta the hell out of Canada and become an independent country I want

03:20:51.180 to thank all of you for coming out today again I can't tell you how proud I am

03:20:56.100 am today to be in Albertan, to see all of you here standing for independence, standing up for your

03:21:02.980 families, standing up for the future of your children and your grandchildren, and a prosperous

03:21:09.060 future for this province. Thank you all so much for coming out. God bless all of you. God bless.

03:21:26.100 When you go outside, the problem is this mic is going to pick up both of us.

03:21:32.760 Oh.

03:21:33.520 You know what I mean?

03:21:34.240 Yeah.

03:21:34.760 So if you're walking around, it's actually not good to help.

03:21:37.160 Yeah.

03:21:37.860 I probably don't wait a minute.

03:21:39.100 No.

03:21:40.900 But I'll just be here.

03:21:43.660 I'll hold this.

03:21:45.160 What's up?

03:21:46.700 What I'll do then when people come up, I'll just do this.

03:21:49.180 Yeah, good idea.

03:21:49.900 And then when you're here, I'll do that.

03:21:52.520 And then, yeah.

03:21:54.200 Oh, we're on. Hey, guys. Hey, everybody. We're live.

03:22:07.680 Paul's Pizza, guys. Everybody, we're live right now on location at Paul's Pizza.

03:22:13.640 Let's go over. This is it.

03:22:16.160 Hey, everybody, we're live.

03:22:17.820 welcome to paul's restaurant guys we got everybody both sides fill her up

03:22:30.880 Guys, you just click

03:22:32.900 wherever you want to go to make sure you fill out all the information

03:22:36.540 because if you don't

03:22:37.980 I don't

03:22:38.540 So we're going to be interviewing them

03:22:53.580 and then you can decide

03:22:55.220 which one you want to support

03:22:56.900 or if you want to support all of them

03:22:58.880 The maximum you can donate in total is $5,000.

03:23:03.320 So that's albertatelethon.com.

03:23:06.040 And we're here at a wonderful party.

03:23:08.680 Look at all these people here.

03:23:10.560 Everybody, there's Tanya.

03:23:13.900 Come on up with Tanya.

03:23:20.600 And hang on a second here.

03:23:22.760 Hi, Tanya.

03:23:23.660 How's it going?

03:23:25.200 I'm going to use just one microphone.

03:23:26.560 Sure, sounds good.

03:23:27.640 So this is Tanya Clements.

03:23:30.260 Hi.

03:23:30.940 Famous.

03:23:32.280 Or infamous.

03:23:33.960 What's your TPA called?

03:23:36.000 And give us your plug.

03:23:37.160 We'll have a TPA with Keith Wilson. 0.99

03:23:38.820 It's called Let Alberta Decide.

03:23:40.460 And our goal is try to reach the undecideds and anyone that's just disgruntled with the way that Ottawa has been treating Alberta historically.

03:23:48.660 And reach out to them and be able to engage them in conversation.

03:23:51.520 Yeah.

03:23:51.800 Thank you so much for all the work you're doing.

03:23:53.700 Oh, thank you.

03:23:54.260 Thank you, too.

03:23:54.880 It takes a whole army of us.

03:23:56.320 I was following the Expos today that you're making, 35,000 you've raised so far.

03:24:02.540 I think actually we're over 45,000 today.

03:24:05.080 So John Bolton's Telethon is incredible.

03:24:07.600 This is amazing for Alberta.

03:24:09.160 It's incredible.

03:24:10.160 Yeah, so well, thank you so much.

03:24:11.900 And I hope the other TPAs are making money too.

03:24:14.700 Yeah.

03:24:15.120 So, okay, what do you plan to do with the money exactly?

03:24:18.680 People want to know where their money's going.

03:24:20.720 Well, some of our money is going towards our sign campaign right now.

03:24:23.600 and we're doing like a hybrid of traditional campaign strategies all the successful ones that

03:24:28.660 you would typically see but then we also have a very sophisticated behind the scenes digital

03:24:33.020 strategy that is marketing and targeting that undecided group and trying to bring them into

03:24:38.820 the conversation yeah well something i've been thinking about a lot is like how do we get through

03:24:43.760 to the conservative who agrees with everything that we're saying except they won't take it to

03:24:49.860 the next step where independence is the rational thing how do we communicate to those people i

03:24:54.780 think that's actually where this referendum for a referendum is a little bit of like a blessing in

03:24:58.960 disguise because if you vote option one in this referendum you're voting for the status quo

03:25:04.120 and you take away all power that alberta has in confederation but if you vote for option two

03:25:09.840 you're going to enable you're going to enable our provincial government with all the strength to

03:25:14.780 negotiate from a position of power with our federal government yeah so whether you are fully

03:25:19.580 independence or you just want Alberta to have strength. That's what option two is going to give

03:25:24.360 you. Yeah. It's like, okay, now that if we get a successful win on this, then we're sending Ottawa

03:25:30.400 a message. And then I suspect they're going to come back with like their best possible offer to

03:25:35.760 us. That's what I would expect. And maybe it'll be really enticing. I doubt that they're going to

03:25:41.460 open up the constitution to make the constitutional change we require, but they might come back with

03:25:46.300 something really strong yeah i don't know at least we have some power then to force them to

03:25:51.380 come back with an offer yeah well and i think that assuages a lot of people in the middle on this

03:25:56.580 we're like okay we don't know what we're gonna if we're really ready to leave out of canada yet

03:26:01.240 but send a message and uh see what we can get and then at least in the real referendum they know

03:26:07.820 what they're voting for because then it's like canada's giving us the best offer and they're

03:26:11.480 wait a minute that's still not good enough so then you know hopefully then they they i want

03:26:18.360 independence i want freedom yeah and those of us that do support independence we definitely will

03:26:22.920 we'll take that opportunity to try to bring them in to the independent side of the movement and

03:26:27.240 speak to the merits of sovereignty but the first referendum question is just if you're agreed and

03:26:32.760 you feel it's unjust how we've been treated you have to vote option two yeah and then it's our

03:26:37.080 job to try to convince you that you know what pursuing independence is going to give us all

03:26:40.840 the things that we've been asking for yeah wow yeah so uh on your on the campaign trail what are

03:26:46.440 some of the big questions that people have been asking you uh they ask a lot about the uncertainty

03:26:51.720 of the future they're worried about that actually when i talk to people it usually comes from two

03:26:55.160 places it comes from fear of change of uncertainty and then um a position of just really having a

03:27:01.560 patriotism towards canada and a love for canada as we all do like we grew up with these ideals of

03:27:06.360 what canada was and is supposed to be to us so that's where the hesitancy comes from and then

03:27:11.640 people are just concerned about how it's going to affect their their personal and their family life

03:27:16.840 going forward so whether it's pensions or their paychecks or their job security yeah so questions

03:27:24.200 so fear and patriotism that's what i've been finding with my youtube videos as well yeah

03:27:28.680 because i i go around making videos and talking to people right and like the patriotism argument

03:27:35.160 of confuses me but when i think about the risk argument like the uncertainty it's like there's

03:27:40.900 two ways to look at risk right there's the risk of changing which is uncertain there's going to

03:27:46.780 be big uh changes and there's going to be unforeseen things if we're being honest right

03:27:51.300 with independence but then there's risks of staying and we know what those are tell us what

03:27:57.160 the risks of staying are in your in your mind and that's how i phrase it too that the certainty of

03:28:01.420 where Canada is headed is far scarier than any uncertainty of giving us a new nation and being

03:28:06.820 able to carve our own path. So we know how taxation is going to go. We know that our

03:28:11.320 property rights are going to be continued to be shipped away at. We know that our children,

03:28:16.220 the next generations are going to have an increased affordability issue. So not going to be able to

03:28:20.220 afford homes till well into their 40s likely. We know where it's headed for Canada. So do we want

03:28:26.620 to vote for the status quo or do we want to empower our government for some change and some

03:28:31.040 leverage yeah like 20 years ago when i was 20 um i bought my first house the average age to buy a 1.00

03:28:39.580 house was like 22 and now it's like 45 you know there's no hope for young people like that's a

03:28:45.780 risk of staying in canada if you if you vote forever canada that's what you're voting for

03:28:50.800 we know the path you're on and this is an opportunity to get off of it yeah think about

03:28:56.120 if we could end the equalization payments and keep that money that we send out east that does nothing

03:29:01.720 and comes back to us at all if we kept that where we are and we also released the resource

03:29:07.080 potential that our province has what kind of future we could build for albertans what kind

03:29:11.240 of services we could provide classroom sizes our health care like the amount we could invest in

03:29:17.320 our communities is astronomical like it's limitless yeah i got a confession to make so

03:29:22.360 during the referendum on equalization i voted to keep it oh really i did and my rationale was

03:29:30.120 i actually wanted to share with canada i'm like i want to share i'm like that's fair i i love

03:29:35.560 people in canada and i want to share with them but then what changed my mind on this now is like

03:29:41.480 they want us to pay but then they won't let us develop our industry and our economy and our

03:29:48.280 resources they make policies that hold us back and they spite us and they hate us i feel like

03:29:53.480 they hate us with all the policies that they put in place like that changed my mind yeah i feel

03:29:59.320 like that's the common sentiment of how ottawa treats us and it's not a grievance with canada

03:30:04.520 we obviously love canada we want to be good neighbors in the future but the way that we've

03:30:09.160 been treated by ottawa is what compels us to pursue independence and yeah we have paid a lot

03:30:14.520 into this confederation and we've taken very good care of other nations like monetarily so why punish

03:30:21.160 us why why pass all these bills that hurt our industries yeah like that's the question why like

03:30:27.640 i don't see it and that changed my mind the reason i'm telling you this is because i think i was one

03:30:32.760 of the people in the middle i changed my mind on some things i used to be much more centrist in my

03:30:37.880 my politics but uh now i just see i see our freedoms being eroded i'm really concerned

03:30:44.040 about free speech i'm concerned about religious freedom i'm concerned about the gun ban and i see

03:30:50.520 that independence is the only way to to get our freedoms guaranteed right and i think this actually

03:30:57.000 is it's it should be non-partisan because it should be about alberta's future and not which

03:31:01.880 side of the political spectrum you you sit on it becomes partisan just by people's nature i believe

03:31:07.960 but it's not it should be unifying to pursue self-determination and prosperity for us and for

03:31:15.080 future generations that should be a unifying principle and maybe the pathway we don't quite

03:31:19.080 agree on it yet but i can tell you option two is what takes us a step closer to achieving that

03:31:24.440 that's right uh because this is a live stream repeat everything you said about your tpa

03:31:30.520 because people might just be logging in so what's your tpa where can they go to support it

03:31:35.640 so keith wilson and i have the tpa called let alberta decide you can go to let albertadecide.com

03:31:41.720 it's on pretty much all the socials uh today because of this telethon and all the support

03:31:47.320 from albertans and john bolton taking the initiative to put this on we've raised over

03:31:51.640 forty five thousand dollars today which is amazing and i promise we will put that to very good use

03:31:56.280 and this is absolutely something that we can win yeah and so then you can go to uh albertatelethon.com

03:32:03.560 and then you can click on the link for for let alberta decide or you can click on the link for

03:32:09.000 all the different tpas like you can donate to all the different tpas up to a maximum of five

03:32:14.440 thousand dollars per person per corporation so yeah oh per person per corporation yeah so a

03:32:21.880 corporation counts as a single entity so if you have a business it can also donate five thousand

03:32:26.280 dollars towards the referendum through tpas i could donate five thousand personally five thousand

03:32:31.880 with my company you can if you're in the position to do that you certainly can yeah and you can

03:32:36.440 donate five dollars and that helps too yeah well and that's what i was just saying like i'm looking

03:32:40.200 at some of these corey morgan signs that are right here and it's like they cost about five bucks a

03:32:44.520 pop you know and uh and they're all working towards the same message right so you know you donate 10

03:32:51.480 bucks then you kind of paid for your sign you paid one for a free person for someone else

03:32:57.160 so this if you feel you can't give you know all that money every little bit counts right so

03:33:04.040 if everybody gives a little bit we can win this well it's just like the traditional telethons

03:33:08.280 they used to have like the ones for the children's hospital and i remember growing up watching the

03:33:11.720 country 105 ones yeah and people would donate 25 or 100 not thinking that they were actually going

03:33:17.880 to make any change but when enough people do that you make substantial change yeah it's pretty

03:33:23.320 amazing yeah exactly awesome well thank you so much tanya thanks for all the work thank you for

03:33:28.920 all that you do too appreciate it so much all right have a great day okay guys so here's the

03:33:36.640 next uh i just want to check my sound quality first of all sound is still good i think everybody

03:33:42.720 can hear me come on over jason how are you absolutely nice and lively in here tonight

03:33:50.160 isn't it yeah awesome okay so give us the plug for your tpa okay so the levine show tpa what

03:33:56.800 we're doing is we're putting up billboards and lawn signs everywhere large events with debates

03:34:01.280 we actually could just announce that we've got stockwell day and bruce party agreeing to do a

03:34:05.600 debate stockwell for the federalist side bruce for the independent side will be releasing that

03:34:10.720 one in september and we got a few more in the works we're even trying to get one of the other

03:34:14.720 gpas on the other side to agree to sit down yeah we've already had some communication so i'm excited

03:34:19.920 that we actually might be able to make that one work yeah wow so you agreed to get stock well day

03:34:24.480 so because people always want to know what is your where's the money going if i donate to you

03:34:29.520 so you're answering that question continue answering that question about 80 of the money

03:34:34.000 goes to lawn signs that we hand out all over alberta we're just up in grand prairie left

03:34:38.080 bridge medicine that we're going all over alberta to handle lawn signs we have some here tonight as

03:34:42.240 well about 10 of the budget has gone towards the billboards the digital billboards in edmonton

03:34:47.920 and the other 10 is about producing the events booking the venue getting the hotels get everybody

03:34:53.440 involved so roughly 80 10 10 is where we put the budget right now yeah so like as far as the

03:34:59.840 political things like this go that's a really effective way to give their money like you're

03:35:04.560 using it effectively and so i appreciate all the work you're doing here so where can people go to

03:35:10.400 donate they go to levineshow.com gpa they also go to the albertatelefon.com you'll find our donate

03:35:17.600 button there as well uh you can mail it to us we take checks through the mail we do credit card we

03:35:23.360 do e-transfer then in-person events we can take cash as well yeah well and there's a cash bucket

03:35:28.880 floating around here it was getting pretty heavy well that's good because we're up against a

03:35:34.080 billion dollar machine and that's just the media here in canada it's a trillion dollar machine

03:35:38.720 when you look at the globalist level of things yeah they don't want for people to have this kind

03:35:42.640 of independence right because it's contagious yeah when other countries and other places see

03:35:46.800 what we're doing here they're going to start doing that too so we talked about the cbc and

03:35:51.840 the canadian media being like 1.4 or 1.6 billion we're against a trillion dollar machine yeah that

03:35:57.040 wants to keep the globalists all together yeah yeah well and that's a really insightful point

03:36:02.240 is they don't want this to spread but you know okay the other side they're not reporting their

03:36:08.160 expenses and the elections alberta says they don't have to and that's a big pile of bs

03:36:14.000 but here's the thing we're raising money from small little groups like this

03:36:19.360 right and events i think this is truly grassroots that's what gives me hope for independence

03:36:25.360 like it's the people supporting this and like look at how big this is twenty dollars from thousands

03:36:32.000 and thousands of people is how a lot of the grassroots movements happened this is what

03:36:35.760 elected trump it was twenty dollars at a time it wasn't twenty million dollars at a time and

03:36:40.800 it came to brexit as well that was a grassroots effort funded by 20 pounds at a time and look

03:36:46.240 what they were able to accomplish when people get together and they feel the support from each other

03:36:51.280 they step up and i this is definitely one of our best days when it comes to the gpa fundraising

03:36:56.640 we said lots of generosity keith wilson donated to us today we're very pleased that even amongst

03:37:01.760 the gpas people are working together to get things done because at the end of the day it's

03:37:06.240 going to take a large army to get this done oh yeah not one general not one soldier it's going

03:37:10.960 to take a large army we're seeing that even here yeah that's why i encourage people to donate a

03:37:16.080 little bit to each tpa actually because it would be terrible actually if we piled it all into one

03:37:22.160 tpa and they got way over and then where does that money go if it goes over well i'm sure something

03:37:27.840 like keith wilson's team they'll make sure they don't go over because that can get you into a

03:37:31.840 little bit of trouble but it's 607 000 that's a pretty sizable more chest and they're going to

03:37:36.880 probably be there in the next couple of weeks at the rate they're going yeah but i like the idea

03:37:40.880 of giving to a whole bunch of tpas yeah there's only people to remember that at 250 or below

03:37:46.800 your name doesn't pop up in the election wilberta website that's right but it also means you can go

03:37:50.880 250 per tpa yeah and you still won't be on the website because it's by tpa it's each individual

03:37:56.480 tpa and then if you're under 50 then it's completely anonymous yeah yeah 50 below could

03:38:02.640 be a cash anonymous donation or even online at 50 some people do 49.99 you can give us that last

03:38:09.760 penny because it's a 50 or below you're good to go yeah and so what i've been telling people is

03:38:15.120 these signs they cost about what five bucks a piece five to seven depending on the quantity

03:38:20.720 yeah when you get it to the thousands it's closer to the five and that's where we're at now okay we

03:38:24.880 distributed about three thousand now just in the last three days grand prairie and i came all over

03:38:31.280 alberta we gave away about 800 signs so uh we're doing good and i just want to let your the viewers

03:38:36.800 know yeah we had some fantastic support on the highway in rocky mountain and in rimby there's

03:38:43.200 so many people that would give the thumbs up or support they didn't honk because they may be a

03:38:47.520 little bit too embarrassed or don't want anybody to know but lots of support in rocky mountain we

03:38:52.480 even had a bus from the first nations go by and the driver gave us a honk and a thumbs up yeah so

03:38:57.600 there's a lot more support than the media will ever tell anybody right now i'll tell you that

03:39:01.520 yeah well you think about hey todd come on over and say hi every time i see him i say hi

03:39:08.560 yeah todd's a great volunteer of ours as well he helps out when we're in drumheller

03:39:12.560 and stettler and other areas but but like that's that's a good example like all these people here

03:39:19.360 they came out to show their support you know and a lot of the people that i talk to you

03:39:24.080 they actually say that they would they've never been engaged before they've never donated or

03:39:29.360 volunteered before um until now and uh you know myself i was kind of involved in politics

03:39:36.160 more than the average person was before this but i was really disillusioned alberta independence

03:39:42.320 gives me hope it gives us a lot of hope too and people are worried that their name's going to be

03:39:47.120 on a list or bank accounts will be frozen keep in mind unlike the convoy for the truckers this is a

03:39:52.560 sanctioned alberta independence campaign run through elections alberta which means it's not

03:39:58.480 something that the government can step on this is a regular campaign that any other election in

03:40:03.360 alberta would have and we also don't have to submit your name if it's 50 or less so if you're

03:40:08.080 worried about your name being on a list go make 50. next week maybe another 50. next week maybe

03:40:13.200 another 50. yeah and keep in mind it is a sanction you are registered as a third party advertiser

03:40:18.720 so don't be afraid the government won't step on your toes on this yeah well and i think a lot of

03:40:23.200 people are afraid of this right it it doesn't take any courage to put a canada flag up right

03:40:28.160 now because that's just the status quo and this is still canada right but like it takes a lot of

03:40:33.680 courage to put an alberta flag or an alberta sign up or to donate or to volunteer or to even talk

03:40:40.080 about it and so what i what i find a lot of people that they they accuse us they say like you're

03:40:46.480 never gonna win right like that's that's that's their argument i guess it's not an argument but

03:40:52.960 but that's what they say and it's like once they see it look at all these people you know you say

03:40:58.060 we're never gonna win but look at all these people you know this is a good shot at winning

03:41:03.200 i agree with that completely and keep in mind that those people don't have any other argument

03:41:07.820 they're not providing us with a good reason to stay they're not convincing me that this will be

03:41:12.160 a place for my children to grow up in and be prosperous they're not removing the criminal

03:41:16.400 code that takes away the bible from us they're not actually stepping up and doing anything of

03:41:20.640 positivity yeah so all they have is breaking windows spray painting signs and trying to convince

03:41:25.680 us that we're just not going to win but that's not the alberta way yeah we we came and prospered

03:41:30.720 here when it was frozen land there was no roads we built it and did it so i absolutely believe

03:41:36.000 that the courage is there the conviction is there and also christ is on our side on this

03:41:41.200 amen christ is on our side put god first and everything um you're talking about the albertan

03:41:46.960 culture uh perseverance adversity these are the things that make us stronger and uh this morning 0.88

03:41:54.760 i interviewed uh the guy from cool shit wholesale in red deer they smashed his windows you know

03:42:01.320 and it's like they want to discourage us but they're not going to discourage us he's going

03:42:05.600 to fix those windows and uh and i'm going to make i made a video that's going to get published it's

03:42:11.240 to get thousands of views and that's going to make us stronger well yeah they smashed his

03:42:17.160 windows that's about two thousand dollars but while we were there there's about seven thousand

03:42:21.240 dollars with the sales that happened yeah and everybody's going there now for all their

03:42:24.920 merchandise yeah even the tpas are going there to pick up flags and things like that so this

03:42:29.320 drives an effect like he just brought attention to it so now we want to support him all the way for

03:42:33.560 sure hang on yeah where are the donation boxes over there the donation box but i also reminded

03:42:41.160 people that on the donation level you have one of these dpas not reporting anything yeah and he has

03:42:46.360 on his website that says there's no limit you can donate as much as you want he's soliciting from

03:42:50.680 outside of alberta publicly he's doing that he's clearly not following the same rules that we are

03:42:55.880 and why would you register the tpa not report it because you don't want to show where the sources

03:43:00.360 are and you don't want to work within the limits so those are the kind of things that we're up

03:43:04.200 against so i'm wondering if there's some kind of legal recourse like can somebody sue forever canada

03:43:10.920 force or sue elections alberta like this well in every revolution there's a side that will always

03:43:16.920 cheat lie and do the wrong thing they will like put in spies and try and disrupt things because

03:43:22.520 they can't win on the field they can't win on the actual messaging so they will do other things to

03:43:27.640 do it i don't want to say he's lying or cheating or stealing i'll let the public decide on that one

03:43:32.600 but he's certainly not fallen by the same rules that we are and he doesn't report the same way

03:43:36.120 we do okay give us another plug for your tpa this time spell it out because your name is

03:43:42.840 levine i don't maybe we can't spell that spell everything out that might be might be hard to

03:43:47.400 spell absolutely the levine show t-h-e-l-a-v as in victor i-g-n-e-s-h-o-w.com yeah and from there

03:43:55.480 you'll be able to support us you can also go to albertatelecon.com and you'll find our link there

03:44:00.040 as well yeah and the link is probably in the description of this live stream so please go

03:44:05.640 and donate show your support for independence put your money where your mouth is thanks so much jason

03:44:11.320 thanks for everything my children thank you and we're all going to fight for the same thing here

03:44:15.880 god bless you god bless you absolutely

03:44:23.400 okay hey we got somebody else coming in all right come on over chris scott

03:44:29.800 what's that oh this is my microphone is that a recording device it's a recording device the

03:44:34.280 government puts chips in there and then they can like they can download the data from your phone

03:44:40.120 and they send it to the chinese and uh the communist party well i don't know about the

03:44:44.920 chinese but i want the government to know what i'm doing okay tell us more well i mean i want

03:44:49.400 them to know that we're advocating for self-determination that makes me happy i hope

03:44:53.320 they're listening yeah hi yeah hi you know and this is the thing i i feel like i've crossed the

03:44:59.480 rubicon i watched from the sidelines when all that covet stuff went down the freedom convoy i

03:45:05.080 watched the sidelines and i said afterwards i was ashamed that i didn't do anything because i have

03:45:11.320 friends that joined up and i didn't do anything i was afraid i was afraid that if i'd be afraid of

03:45:15.960 i was afraid of getting in trouble with the government of you know i didn't know what the

03:45:21.000 bank accounts happened yet but i was just afraid of everything and uh and and now i'm like i will

03:45:27.560 never i will never do that again i'm going to stand up this is the time to shine i'm going to

03:45:32.840 hold my shoulders up and i encourage other people to do that as well you know we're we're all afraid

03:45:37.480 of something um and i gotta say in in january 2021 i was terrified of the government yeah like i i

03:45:48.440 people think that i just was brave it wasn't that i was brave um i was what i i was less scared of

03:45:55.800 the government yeah what they might do than what i knew was going to happen if i didn't stand up

03:46:00.200 yeah so i was uh you know i thought about that and then i had to make a decision and part of the

03:46:06.600 decision to stand up and in civil disobedience was i also had to accept what i believed was

03:46:13.080 inevitable and that was i thought i was going to crush i thought the government was going to

03:46:17.640 destroy me bankrupt me find me in jail and so i thought about these things and and i made peace

03:46:23.560 with it and i accepted it because that because i knew that i had to do something right yeah

03:46:29.080 and i find like we're in another situation like the trucker convoy gave me so much hope for canada

03:46:34.120 i wanted in i wanted unity but now i want out and this gives me hope right independence is

03:46:41.400 the thing that's giving me hope um but plug your tpa i don't have a tpa you don't have a tpa no

03:46:48.920 i'm not a tpa oh so i i uh i lead an organization called that stock alberta okay we're not a third

03:46:55.080 party advertiser we're not subject to uh contribution limits we can take contributions

03:47:00.440 from anybody anywhere at any time and there's no maximum also but you're not allowed to say like

03:47:06.240 go and vote this way or that way is that no i i share my opinion and my political leanings and

03:47:11.920 beliefs with people and i invite them to have a conversation with me about it specifically i

03:47:16.760 invite people here's my message i i believe that alberta independence is necessary and inevitable

03:47:23.520 yeah that's my opinion in october we're going to be asked a question of self-determination

03:47:29.360 and that question one way or another is gonna we're gonna pursue it or not right so if we know

03:47:36.140 we're gonna be asked the question i think we need to talk about these things i want to make the best

03:47:40.860 decision too so if somebody on the forever canadian side with the status quo side if they

03:47:46.760 believe that the current structure and situation within confederation is the best for me and my

03:47:52.700 family i want them to tell me tell me that explain why change my mind right because if they don't

03:47:59.300 do that and they really believe it i'm going to go into october and i'll make a decision based on

03:48:04.640 the information i have now that's why we need to talk so in your travels what are some of the best

03:48:10.020 arguments for canada you heard or what are the angles that they seem to always take the best

03:48:15.460 argument for canada yeah um the most the most difficult one to challenge or debate is the

03:48:25.360 emotional arguments oh i'm canadian i'll always be canadian this is my country i'm patriotic

03:48:30.460 patriotism i've realized patriotism uh it often blinds people to the failings of their nation

03:48:37.360 and it prevents them from doing something better so the emotional one is difficult

03:48:41.320 um the other the other one is fear fear of the unknown well well you don't know exactly what

03:48:47.760 independence is going to be for alberta you're right i don't i don't know if it's going to be

03:48:52.460 better even but i do know that we get to decide and whatever we decide we get to to reap the

03:48:58.740 benefits or suffer the consequence and if there's a consequence we don't like we can decide to

03:49:03.580 change things and make it better that's what it is for me well and you that whole risk argument

03:49:08.680 right the uncertainty the fear of the unknown i think if we're honest there there are a lot of

03:49:13.900 unknowns with independence and that's like intellectually honest but there's a uncertainty

03:49:20.020 of staying and so what are the risks of staying in canada well what what do we know in the last

03:49:26.500 20 years uh canada has experienced or alberta has experienced a net loss of approximately 150

03:49:32.820 billion dollars in investment capital uh in that time we lost the the flagship canadian energy

03:49:39.780 company and canna they they left and it wasn't because of what company was that and canna it

03:49:45.860 It wasn't because of independent sentiment.

03:49:47.500 It was because of federal policy that Alberta couldn't affect that caused them to abandon their business in Canada.

03:49:55.880 Like these are things we know.

03:49:58.040 If you look at where our dollar is, our dollar, our buying power has been plummeting.

03:50:02.340 Inflation is going up.

03:50:03.780 Social cohesion is disintegrating.

03:50:06.700 These are things that we know, right?

03:50:08.560 I know that if we don't do anything, and we continue on that trajectory, 10 years from now, I'll be thinking back. And I'll be thinking, we should have done something. Like, if you put yourself in your own shoes 20 years ago, I know that's a tough thing to do. But just pretend you're 20 years younger.

03:50:31.300 And someone came to you and said, in Canada, in your Canada, you're going to have to attend church secretly, illegally, because if the government finds you, they're going to throw you in jail.

03:50:43.960 Or in your Canada, if you offend somebody, you're going to be fined or potentially jailed.

03:50:50.880 Would you believe that?

03:50:52.060 No, I wouldn't believe that.

03:50:53.340 I can't even believe we got to that point.

03:50:54.900 I know.

03:50:55.460 I know.

03:50:55.800 Now you think, what's it going to be like in 10 more years or 20 more years if we don't stop what's going on right now?

03:51:01.300 These are things we know.

03:51:03.180 The unknowns about what is our currency going to be,

03:51:05.800 what's the military going to be, all of those things,

03:51:07.920 I don't know, but we get to decide, and that's the opportunity.

03:51:11.120 We get to decide.

03:51:13.300 Albertans have nothing but good ideas.

03:51:15.820 Every Albertan I talk to is like good idea after good idea,

03:51:19.720 but they fall upon deaf ears.

03:51:21.940 We have no power at this point.

03:51:24.420 As a province of Canada, we are always outvoted.

03:51:28.260 We're always at the behest of Ottawa.

03:51:29.840 we have no power so independence is about asserting ourselves and deciding our future

03:51:34.880 and even worse sometimes we're the sacrificial lamb of confederation i mean look at the when

03:51:41.840 carney was campaigning they were ready to to sacrifice alberta oh we're going to turn off

03:51:46.480 your oil united states and alberta's like pardon me that's like a hundred thousand jobs you're not

03:51:51.100 we're not just going to stop shipping oil to to satisfy your trade war right without even talking

03:51:56.560 to us about it so there's there's even more to it than just that well hey chris thanks for all you

03:52:02.260 do how can we support you uh buy a burger at the whistle stop yeah well okay you're you also say

03:52:08.640 in your talks that you're you're a capitalist so tell give us your plug so my my website's

03:52:14.500 whistlestocktruckstop.ca which i did prior to becoming a uh sovereignist advocate um i've got

03:52:20.900 lots of stuff people can buy off there i love it when people come to the restaurant and eat our

03:52:24.460 food because it's delicious and i love watching people enjoy their meals that makes me happy

03:52:28.620 um i also you know let's talk alberta is doing big things we have been since we started back

03:52:35.220 in february we've been to i don't know at 60 or 80 or 90 different places in alberta

03:52:40.980 having these conversations um we have our our advertising is encouraging conversation right

03:52:48.200 because the tpas they're putting lawn signs up they're putting out ads to vote this way vote

03:52:52.720 that way and the average albertan they don't know the facts they don't know what to support so our

03:52:58.120 job is to have these conversations and hope that by the time uh the conversation's over they know

03:53:03.580 who they should support and to support let's talk alberta you can go to letstalkalberta.com

03:53:07.840 click the donate button no maximums you can donate from anywhere um and what's the other one

03:53:14.140 and it doesn't count towards any uh personal limit right so you can do that or you can send

03:53:20.040 need transfer to letstalkalberta at gmail.com hey thanks so much chris you want to see one of the

03:53:24.280 things we're doing with our uh oh yeah yeah yeah you guys you want to watch this you want to watch

03:53:29.220 this hey yeah i'll light up some more for you oh okay sorry so this is the type of thing that

03:53:35.380 let's talk alberta wants to do show it to the camera right up close there this one yeah right

03:53:40.060 in the balance yeah look at that that's the that's the new unity bus yeah yeah that's the

03:53:46.920 real unity best well and and when we when we when we say unity what are we talking about what are

03:53:51.680 we unified towards yeah what is what are albertans unified for right now freedom and prosperity

03:53:58.020 that's what we that's the banner we unify under i and and as for the you know the other side the

03:54:04.040 forever canadian third party advertiser they're the biggest one out there i've actually started

03:54:08.260 to agree with their lawn signs i i realized and auto ms well no i agree with the forever canadian

03:54:14.840 law and science. Because one of the things

03:54:16.920 that Thomas Lepasic said

03:54:18.760 to discourage people from exploring

03:54:21.120 Alberta self-determination

03:54:22.400 is that you'll lose your Canadian citizenship.

03:54:25.440 But you can't lose your Canadian

03:54:26.740 citizenship. You will always be

03:54:28.960 forever Canadian. 0.85

03:54:31.380 Just Alberta won't be part

03:54:32.840 of Confederation. I'm going to denounce my

03:54:34.680 citizenship. Well, I 1.00

03:54:36.660 here's why I won't. Like, I'm

03:54:38.860 just going to stop filing my taxes with

03:54:40.620 Revity Canada. I'll tell you why

03:54:42.420 I will keep my Canadian citizenship.

03:54:44.500 because I consider it a huge blessing to live in a country where my voice can be heard

03:54:50.380 and I'm free to express my political views,

03:54:53.560 even when my political views are so big as to remove my province from the confederation.

03:54:59.860 That's a blessing to me.

03:55:00.960 And I do appreciate what Canada has offered me in that regards.

03:55:04.140 I just don't agree with where they're going now.

03:55:06.740 Hey, that's well said.

03:55:08.360 Thanks so much, Chris.

03:55:09.380 Yeah, thanks.

03:55:10.020 All right, have a great day.

03:55:11.060 You too.

03:55:11.360 We'll see each other again.

03:55:12.600 Yes, absolutely.

03:55:13.600 Cheers.

03:55:14.500 come on over angela please meet you my name is john

03:55:23.060 all right so uh what's your tpa alberto women for independence awesome uh so and how can people

03:55:31.380 support you and donate to you well you can go to our website it's a really long website address

03:55:37.540 spell it out slowly for the live stream ab women's independence network.com it's easy to remember

03:55:46.180 that ab women's independence network.com there you go yeah now people always want to know what

03:55:51.860 where the money goes when they donate so what are your projects what are you doing sure so you know

03:55:56.740 our focus for the last year and a half before we had to register as a tpa has been education

03:56:02.980 and especially reaching out to women uh inviting them to be a part of the the conversation that we

03:56:08.980 need to have in alberta and so we decided that we were going to stick with that same focus

03:56:14.100 so we are doing meetings all across the province um this week we have meetings in medicine hat

03:56:22.820 red deer grand prairie fairview and high prairie yeah that's really spread out yeah it is and we're

03:56:31.540 just kind of i mean kathy is up in shore parks so she's my partner in crime and i'm down in the

03:56:37.460 southwest and we're just kind of doing a conquer and divide but sometimes we were able to come

03:56:42.740 together so we're doing meetings where we are inviting women especially to like i said get

03:56:49.220 involved in the conversation so we've got literature that we're handing out that they can

03:56:54.020 share with their friends and family we've been doing videos on each of the referendum questions

03:57:00.420 we've got lawn signs everybody wants a lawn sign when we're at the meetings we're handing out t-shirts

03:57:07.380 as well sometimes we're handing out books if we can get a hold of them so the whole focus is on

03:57:13.460 making sure that we are informed voters and just really kind of having a respectful dialogue like

03:57:21.860 even if people come to the meetings then they don't necessarily agree with what we're talking

03:57:27.700 about at least we're really fostering an opportunity to have respectful dialogue to

03:57:38.580 learn to relearn that that's something that people used to be able to do you know they would sit

03:57:43.300 around the coffee table or whatever and they would go back and forth and share ideas and

03:57:48.740 unfortunately we've lost that in our current society and so our focus is on allowing people

03:57:55.140 to to experience that again and to realize it's okay yeah we can have these really hard conversations

03:58:02.260 we always do it over dessert that's kind of our tagline so if you come to the meeting you get

03:58:08.340 dessert you get dessert something you know these conversations need dessert that's our tagline

03:58:14.420 so yeah it's just a real great opportunity to come together have that community have these discussions

03:58:22.500 and yeah well what you said about how we've lost this in society i really i'm perplexed by that

03:58:29.260 because it actually feels like that you know we talk over social media we talk past each other

03:58:35.020 right and i feel like it's just shouting past each other and when can you sit down with people

03:58:41.520 and just have a reasonable conversation you know and and that's what i i try to do with my channel

03:58:47.420 as well you know i have a channel i talk to people but i do find that most of the people

03:58:53.340 who want to talk to me are men and it's like maybe it's because i'm a man you know but so what are

03:58:59.980 what are women what's the perspective like what do women say about this because it's a group focused

03:59:05.020 on women for independence well you know like politics can be kind of an ugly game you know 1.00

03:59:11.260 it's it can be very there's a lot of blustering a lot of ego some aggression for a lot of women 1.00

03:59:18.620 that's a turn off you know we're busy we're busy moms we're busy grandmothers maybe we're the ones 1.00

03:59:23.820 putting the bread on the table and so we just don't have a lot of time for that but we do have

03:59:31.820 time to get together and and to have these conversations um while the facts are really

03:59:39.660 important and the facts support the idea of alberta independence that we could do this on our own

03:59:48.220 there is also an emotional aspect to this what we are asking people to do is actually very difficult

03:59:54.700 for some a lot of our personal identity is tied up in our nationality and so we are asking people

04:00:03.020 to kind of step away from maybe how they've been for 30 40 50 60 years and consider the

04:00:11.700 possibilities of something new and that takes time you can't just throw facts at somebody who's

04:00:18.900 struggling with that and say well what's wrong with you no it takes time and it takes you need

04:00:25.060 to be able to process those feelings and when you're sitting in a warm environment as we try

04:00:31.840 to foster and you're sharing food and you're having that discussion it's a lot easier to get 1.00

04:00:38.080 past that than if you're just being bombarded by facts and that's just the way women are

04:00:43.820 we're fired differently it's okay that's such a profound thing you say it's like you're sitting

04:00:50.000 around in a small group sharing food and that this is the context for how you're going to have these

04:00:57.240 deep political conversations what a brilliant idea like i'm so happy that you're doing that

04:01:03.560 and you know what it is so fun like we're just having an absolute blast with this and it's like

04:01:10.360 every time i leave a meeting i'm just like thank you lord like i just feel like my community has

04:01:16.040 just grown even more and i just i know who my peeps are and it's just this wonderful feeling

04:01:23.480 we have lost community we have lost the sense of unity that we used to have the sense of patriotism

04:01:31.640 that we used to have and so that is all part of this as well right that we are finding our people

04:01:38.280 and and surrounding ourselves with people who support us well like he said that we're finding

04:01:46.120 our people right and if like we're building a nation we're this is our these are our people

04:01:52.840 here and when you're finding our people you're bringing them together you're welcoming them into

04:01:57.720 the community and uh that's how we build our nation of alberta yeah wow yeah it's absolutely

04:02:04.360 amazing and it just feels like there's this real vacuum um just because of the way things are in

04:02:10.440 our society right now i mean social media i'm sure has a large effect on that but also i believe

04:02:17.720 that the idea of unity has been intentionally destroyed within canada well diversity is the

04:02:26.040 opposite of unity kind of isn't it and it's supposed to be our strength yeah unity is our

04:02:31.880 strength unity is our strength i was going to say that diversity is i mean you can be diverse in

04:02:38.440 different ways in that we don't have to be carbon copies of each other and we can have you know

04:02:43.680 different life experiences or whatever but you have to have something to unify yourself around

04:02:50.000 if you don't have that you are not a nation like a shared dream for the future shared values right

04:02:58.200 shared culture alberta has a unique culture you know yes you know i'm talking to we did a series

04:03:06.680 And I would recommend if people want something good to watch, we did a seven-part series based on a paper that Colonel David Redman put together back in 2024, where he talks about the six national interests.

04:03:22.380 and the first one is unity and he says if you are not surrounded or you are not unified by shared

04:03:32.100 values ethics and beliefs that's not shared culture and that's not shared religion it's

04:03:40.360 shared values ethics and beliefs so you have to find that commonality then you are a nation he

04:03:47.200 says if you do not have those shared values ethics and beliefs you are not a nation that will last

04:03:53.600 and i think our parents had that and we kind of had it our generation and like our kids they don't

04:04:00.340 have that and so independence is about our kids and having what we know brought us together but

04:04:07.180 hey angela give us one more good plug for your tpa and then i'll keep moving on here well i just

04:04:13.640 want to say thank you for all the support that we've received today it is overwhelming and i mean

04:04:20.340 kathy and i have been doing this for a year and a half out of our own bank accounts we have never

04:04:26.500 asked for donations so it's really odd to us to ask for donations but today is just overwhelming

04:04:32.940 the support and oh my goodness we just we pledge that we are just every dollar to me is is almost

04:04:43.120 sacred it represents a sacrifice that someone has made for their belief in alberta independence

04:04:51.360 and when we spend those dollars it is so carefully because i keep that in mind

04:04:57.520 but that's what people have done they have sacrificed for that okay so go to albertatelethon.com

04:05:03.840 and uh donate to the alberta women's independence network yes alberta women for independence

04:05:09.440 is yes thanks angela thank you so much thank you hey hey so guess what's up what's up we got that

04:05:16.960 gentleman here that wants to uh make a challenge so hey everybody can we have a second of your time

04:05:24.400 please we got a gentleman here that would like to pose a challenge to the bar if he could go ahead

04:05:31.520 john john this is the bar bar this is john within the first 10 minutes of this telethon

04:05:38.560 wade from sylvan lake put out a challenge

04:05:43.360 two hundred dollars is what he donated in cap

04:05:50.000 i was going i was going to put out a challenge but wade beat me to it and i came here today to

04:05:57.200 put a challenge out to everybody in this bar the donation jars are right over there

04:06:04.080 okay and one over there i've got a 50 bill that i am going to put in the jar over there

04:06:14.560 the way he's got his up as well so everybody in here take a 50 bill whatever you can

04:06:22.160 and let's fill those donation jars thank you thank you thank you

04:06:31.120 all right now so it's been a great night you should take over an interview here

04:06:35.980 I can't show with this how you doing I'm good how are you excellent hi Adam how

04:06:54.340 you doing good good what what brings you here tonight yeah you know Alberta is a

04:06:59.200 very financially attractive location yes it is and one of the big things that people are

04:07:04.560 speculating and investigating is ai data centers yeah now ai data centers has a lot of heat

04:07:10.400 exhaustion yes it does and one purpose for that can be utilizing that to connect it to greenhouses

04:07:18.080 where is that alberta can utilize this to grow tropical plants vegetables and fruits to boost

04:07:25.440 the food economy yes so that way we had we could diversify our economic output by not only being

04:07:33.040 oil and gas but also being an incentivized hub for tech data centers yeah and also for food

04:07:40.160 creating an availability for it lowering the cost of living around food and even that heat output

04:07:46.720 could be utilized to also feed houses yeah so it could be a very cool political campaign to push

04:07:55.440 something like that well it could be we're gonna have to keep up with with the rest of the world 0.99

04:07:59.920 because the dii data centers are coming whether we like and not so we got to use we got to make 1.00

04:08:05.040 sure we use them for our advantage right yeah well that's something that we can't really decide as

04:08:10.640 far as an independent alberta goes but that once we become an independent alberta then we can decide

04:08:15.760 how we utilize it and what we do with it right yeah right now we have to become an independent

04:08:20.560 alberta before we came and get the choices to do that that's right because we have a lot of policies

04:08:24.400 yeah but we can incentivize that politically if we were independent absolutely and i think

04:08:30.480 we have a lot of a lot of time to go hey guys sorry sure to catch up hey guys we got three

04:08:37.280 minutes left can we get a yahoo we are heading out i can't really take this off but there is

04:08:48.800 a bunch of people over on the other side of the of the room as well that you've seen

04:08:53.840 and apparently vicky has to go you want to talk we have vicky would like to say something

04:09:00.080 hello everybody i guess i'll get in front of the camera here so i just uh wanted to give a quick

04:09:12.740 shout out there's been um so much support today i've loved watching all the speakers today and i

04:09:19.260 hope you are you know putting out your donations and helping everybody out but there are a few tpas

04:09:24.720 that have just formed recently and i want you guys all to be aware um especially about the

04:09:30.160 regional one so we have a brand new tpa that's just started up in the grand prairie peace river

04:09:36.000 area and i'm gonna read it just so that i don't screw anything up it's called north alberta strong

04:09:42.320 and they're a third party advertiser that has come up in peace river grand prairie and again

04:09:47.360 they're out there to educate and get people to understand why they need to vote for option two

04:09:53.280 on October 19th so I just wanted everyone to know that look on the Elections Alberta website

04:10:00.080 regularly there's going to be new TPAs popping up find the one closest to you and help support them

04:10:05.780 awesome thank you so much I would like to say to Vicky what are your thoughts on tonight amazing

04:10:13.140 amazing turnout and again I've been watching online all day before we got here so everyone's

04:10:19.160 doing a fantastic job i love seeing these donations coming in and i love seeing my freedom family my

04:10:26.020 alberta independence family it's been a beautiful day we have people outside on the upper patio

04:10:32.220 lower patio the restaurant's packed the lounge is packed it's the place to be so how what time is

04:10:42.680 it it's time for us to go so he's going to plug us off right now uh we're going to be back in about

04:10:48.000 an hour right now we're going to pass it off to garrick smith up in edmonton and we'll see what

04:10:52.520 he can do while we're having some more fun here at paul's pizza we'll see you back here in about

04:10:57.320 an hour thanks and have a great night

04:11:18.000 So, the last way I asked you, why did you take these things?

04:11:33.000 If you wanted to, why did you take these things?

04:11:39.000 Thank you.

04:12:09.000 Thank you.

04:12:39.000 Welcome.

04:12:52.460 Three months from today, you'll be asked to vote for option two on question 10 in the

04:12:56.980 referendum, but a lot is going to happen between now and October the 19th.

04:13:02.900 Let me put it to you this way.

04:13:05.300 Over the next three months, the full weight of the federal government of Canada,

04:13:09.000 the Liberal Party of Canada, and the Prime Minister of Canada, Mark Carney,

04:13:13.140 will come down on Alberta to try to stop us from gaining our independence.

04:13:18.120 Not only that, the full weight of the Conservative Party of Canada,

04:13:21.300 its MPs, many of whom you voted for, and its leader, Pierre Polyev,

04:13:25.080 will come down on Alberta to try to stop us from gaining our independence.

04:13:30.080 And a little closer to home, a woman you probably voted for and trusted 1.00

04:13:35.020 will be campaigning against you for trying to get a better life for yourself, 1.00

04:13:40.440 your children, and your grandchildren. Not only that, these parties have endless amounts of money.

04:13:49.320 Throw in the mainstream media and the $1.4 billion of your money to the CBC,

04:13:55.400 and this is a pretty steep hill to climb. But today, we can make a difference. Today,

04:14:02.420 we can make a stand. Today, we can send a message to Ottawa. So far, third-party advertisers on our

04:14:10.540 side are doing very well. We're out-raising the other side, but we have hundreds of thousands

04:14:15.920 of dollars, and they have millions and billions. If you can, over the next 12 hours, please

04:14:24.000 contribute. Please donate to the third-party advertisers we'll be talking about today.

04:14:29.560 it's the only way we can win this thing welcome to the telethon for independence 0.99

04:14:37.860 now let's kick some ass 0.99

04:14:59.560 We'll be right back. 0.99

04:15:29.560 ladies and gentlemen welcome back to the alberta telethon what a day it's been the donations have

04:15:38.200 been pouring in absolutely flooding in you guys have been doing a top job but we need to step it

04:15:43.720 up a bit tonight the fringe is here the whole team is here we have tiffany of course my lovely wife

04:15:49.240 and friday night co-host mike is joining us in studio as well and uh keith say hi to keith keith's

04:15:54.520 Hi Keith Keith he's had a long day he's a little tired so we're not gonna hold

04:15:59.620 that against him but we just had to make sure that we wrapped him up for you so

04:16:02.760 that we knew it was Keith got a lot to talk about today we got a lot to talk

04:16:06.400 about in terms of the telethon first Mrs. Fringe would you like to update us on

04:16:11.120 the numbers updates on the TPAs what do we got it was so we've got Keith and

04:16:15.620 Tanya are sitting at $60,000 Wow we've got Cory is at $16,000 and Levine is at

04:16:23.980 11.5 unbelievable the donations have been coming pouring in and now the other tpas are still doing

04:16:30.220 what they're doing these are the updates we have for you but folks we can do better okay i'm not

04:16:35.200 going to be happy until we see at least keith's astronomical 60 000 break six figures we have to

04:16:41.560 get that done tonight this is the time to donate and without that let's not have fake keith anymore

04:16:46.320 Let's bring in real Keith.

04:16:49.780 Bring in real Keith.

04:16:51.220 There he is.

04:16:51.900 There he is.

04:16:52.160 Better late than never.

04:16:52.580 We can't have a telethon without real Keith.

04:16:54.600 You guys didn't really think we were going to do this without him, did you?

04:16:56.920 Keith, welcome into the show.

04:16:58.280 Well, thanks for having me.

04:16:59.260 It's good to have you.

04:17:00.420 Now, I want to get something clear as we talk to all Albertans right now.

04:17:04.340 You must be in Alberta to donate.

04:17:06.200 You can see at the bottom of your screen, albertatelethon.com coming in.

04:17:10.260 The Fringe has a donation to make.

04:17:12.060 Yes.

04:17:12.400 And it's time we talk about that because let's be honest, folks.

04:17:16.760 I'm going to talk to you about Alberta.

04:17:18.500 See, what Albertans do, what Albertans like to do is Albertans like to dig into their pockets

04:17:23.860 and Albertans like to make sure that everybody gets their fair share when it comes to independence.

04:17:28.280 He's trying to count it as you go.

04:17:29.400 When it comes to making sure that we look after our province, we look after our future republic,

04:17:36.100 now's the time to dig in, folks.

04:17:38.100 If you really want to support Alberta, if you really want to support your kids' futures,

04:17:42.600 as you can see, I'm flushing my children's college fund out the window right now

04:17:46.360 because I want a new republic, and I think Keith Wilson is the man to do that.

04:17:51.240 So without further ado, I'm going to stop throwing money at Keith like a cheap stripper.

04:17:54.920 There's $1,000 from Unacceptable Fringe for Keith Wilson and his TPA.

04:17:59.820 Thank you so much to everybody in our amazing community who's helping contribute to this.

04:18:04.260 Get into your wallets, folks.

04:18:05.540 now's the time to dig deep and show the world Alberta means business and that we're ready to

04:18:11.020 get out of Canada. We're moving forward. Keith, we have to talk about this white paper. Racist

04:18:15.820 term, by the way. It should have been a black paper or something, but let's talk about the

04:18:19.480 white paper. Sure. Coming out at the end of the month. Yeah. Now, the white paper is going to be

04:18:25.560 different, I understand, from the value of freedom. Correct. Because we were talking about that

04:18:29.420 earlier in the telethon. What can people expect out of this white paper when it comes out?

04:18:33.900 Well, what the White Paper is about is to answer people's questions about what happens

04:18:40.340 after the vote for independence.

04:18:42.860 What does life look like?

04:18:44.340 How do we have continuity?

04:18:46.020 How is it that when people are planning a vacation or a business trip that the airlines

04:18:51.280 still run?

04:18:53.720 What happens with your mortgage?

04:18:56.100 What happens with the ordinary things that you do every day in your lives?

04:19:00.400 with the continuity of business services of contracting of trade so we've got some incredibly

04:19:05.760 smart people that have come forward and helping with the alberta transition council the white paper

04:19:11.120 and it covers every aspect of of continuity it addresses those areas where the federal government

04:19:20.240 currently has a role and you know at a certain level it sounds like a daunting task but it's

04:19:25.200 It's really not because I've joked in some of my interviews that old secretary of defense

04:19:32.120 Rumsfeld had an express and where he gave a press conference when he said, there's known

04:19:36.380 knowns, known unknowns, and unknown unknowns.

04:19:40.140 We know each of the services and roles that the federal government currently provides.

04:19:46.220 We know that they run a passport office very poorly, I might add.

04:19:51.000 We know that they have Customs and Borders agents at the airports and the border crossings.

04:19:56.240 I could keep going.

04:19:57.380 So we've identified all of the functions of the federal government.

04:20:00.520 They set policy regarding currency.

04:20:03.580 They regulate the banks.

04:20:05.360 So the transition plan is to detail continuity after we vote to become independent.

04:20:14.900 It's a transition plan to transition Alberta from a province into the newest, freest, most prosperous country in the world.

04:20:22.520 I like that.

04:20:23.520 I like that.

04:20:24.640 Awesome.

04:20:25.220 I got some questions for you, too.

04:20:27.080 And these are very important questions.

04:20:28.280 These are probably some of the most important ones that don't look at them.

04:20:34.700 Don't be copying the homework.

04:20:35.680 No, this is honestly, this is, I sat down, I did, I spent time, I went really serious and very important questions.

04:20:41.000 number one pineapple pizza yay or nay yay oh i agreed we're gonna break the chat yeah okay well

04:20:49.080 right off the bat okay you fail that one uh number two is there any time when your tpa

04:20:54.640 will be interested in purchasing in 1990 winnebago driving around creepily throughout

04:20:59.380 alberta doing 4 a.m purring videos no okay that's a good one that's a good one okay that's

04:21:06.160 good one how's your TPA reports going excellent it's a huge task especially

04:21:13.700 given the number of donors that we have the elections Alberta went to the

04:21:22.460 Smithsonian Institute and hired the computer coders from the 1990s to

04:21:28.480 design their interface so for every single box you have to do a click drop

04:21:33.760 down select click down so it takes a tremendous amount of time but we've

04:21:38.560 filed early every week and we're gonna continue to do that because we're not

04:21:42.040 gonna let these guys discourage us all right I like that you know the old deal

04:21:45.940 punch cards okay okay what kind of pancakes do you like I don't like

04:21:50.500 pancakes I'm more of a waffle person myself there you go there it is we're

04:21:54.820 not into fascist pancakes we don't do fascist pancakes and I got a last one

04:21:59.860 for you do you like i do believe that john bolton is a vampire uh i hadn't given that any thought i

04:22:06.240 hadn't heard that before i think i need to do some research dude never sleeps never sleeps

04:22:11.000 doesn't sleep all right it's 2 45 a.m and it's john here and i've been up for the last 45 minutes

04:22:16.960 got my big blue mug sometimes you purse can over analyze things i think you've just identified the

04:22:22.540 obvious i think it's clear i mean i think there's no other explanation i think it's easier the facts

04:22:27.140 are there I think what happens is it's more like hi it's John it's three in the morning and I just

04:22:31.120 said something offensive to my wife so I'm in my studio filming a video for tomorrow I think that's

04:22:35.880 the way it goes but hey we're all doing our part for Alberta I think that's great uh Mrs. Fringe

04:22:40.500 I do have some questions as well more serious not as good as mine I wrote them down uh critics

04:22:47.280 raise fears about national debt share uh currency or military how does the white paper address

04:22:53.080 Alberta's leverage in negotiations drawing on president presidents like

04:22:58.460 Norway Sweden or the velvet divorce sorry I got it so there's a couple of

04:23:06.600 questions in there the first one is how would Alberta address the debt in the

04:23:13.920 negotiations for example well that's an open question and it's still being worked

04:23:18.280 on. But what we have to keep in mind is a number of factors. First of all, in terms of how do you

04:23:28.360 calculate what Alberta's share of the debt is? Do you take into consideration the fact that

04:23:35.240 Albertans to date have sent over $300 billion more in tax and other contributions to Ottawa

04:23:46.840 than we've received back because of the equalization program so throughout the history of

04:23:51.720 equalization here in alberta we've sent 300 billion dollars more to ottawa than came back

04:23:59.800 to albertans okay so if you give that as a credit we might not know anything right just from the

04:24:07.240 get-go another consideration is well our tax dollars went to build the new bridge from

04:24:15.720 relatively new uh from that goes to pei so do what's 12 of the value of that bridge

04:24:24.680 um look at all of the different things they built a garage at rideau for the governor general and it

04:24:32.040 was like three million dollars or 30 million dollars well we get 12 of that so in other words

04:24:38.280 those are calculations. There's a number of ways to approach it. I've been litigating complex and

04:24:47.800 a lot of high value cases in my legal career for over 30 years. And I'm very experienced in dealing

04:24:54.220 with these kinds of negotiations. And what happens is the parties will both come up with a methodology

04:25:00.520 of how to pick the number. And then the other side says, no, we don't agree with that. This

04:25:05.520 is a better way. So it's not clear to me what the number would be, but the bottom line is Alberta

04:25:11.580 has a lot of strength. And that's the second part of your question, our negotiating position.

04:25:18.740 I've negotiated most commonly on behalf of landowners, farmers, and ranchers against

04:25:24.020 multinational oil companies. So I'm used to an underdog position. In this negotiation between

04:25:30.000 Alberta and Ottawa, Ottawa is the farmer. We're the oil company. And what I mean by that is

04:25:35.640 We are the largest contributor of growth and GDP growth in the country.

04:25:42.580 Our economy is super strong and is growing.

04:25:45.320 We keep seeing these announcements like Meta, 13 billion for a data center and all these other things.

04:25:51.520 That's the power of our economy when it's restrained with Ottawa with its knee on our neck.

04:25:57.980 Imagine what we can do when we get that knee off our neck and we can pursue our potential.

04:26:03.500 But more importantly, for those of you who saw my debate, the second public debate with former Premier Kenney, he said something during the debate that just shocked me and made no sense.

04:26:16.440 He said that if Alberta separates, the federal government might stop the flow of oil through the TMX pipeline to Vancouver, as well as through line five and nine to Ontario and Quebec.

04:26:29.900 And if anybody was in the room, they would have saw me tilt my head and look very puzzled because if we stop the flow, if for whatever reason, the flow is interrupted to the Burnaby refinery in Vancouver, they run out of gasoline, diesel and jet fuel in less than 11 days.

04:26:46.120 Their economy comes to a screeching halt.

04:26:50.580 Also, I did a detailed analysis and talked to experts.

04:26:55.300 The same thing happens to Ontario.

04:26:57.220 The refineries at Sarnia get our oil, we also send different products through, that turns

04:27:05.180 into gasoline, jet fuel and diesel.

04:27:07.280 You cannot run a car plant if the diesel highway trucks can't fill up with fuel.

04:27:13.060 People can't, the 401 for once will be safe to drive on because there will be nobody on

04:27:17.380 it.

04:27:18.920 And the Pearson Airport will function as it seems normally because no planes will go in

04:27:23.820 anywhere because they'll have no jet fuel.

04:27:25.980 similarly right up into Quebec. So if the federal government wants to be hostile and unreasonable

04:27:35.520 and punitive, they're going to quickly realize, and I think they know they're bluffing, I think

04:27:41.880 that's why they're putting such effort to counteract the independence movement, we have phenomenal

04:27:46.020 power in this negotiation. And here's another huge fact, think about this, overwhelming majority of

04:27:53.920 our overall economy not just our oil is north-south our largest trading partner the driver of economy

04:28:01.000 is the largest economy in the world which is the largest market in the world which is the largest

04:28:06.840 market closest to us if we lost the ability to trade with the united states versus the lost the

04:28:14.200 ability to trade with ontario which and you had the ability to choose which one which one are you

04:28:19.000 picking ontario ontario in his heartbeat so we have phenomenal leverage in this negotiation

04:28:24.360 and i think uh you're going to see the other side fight even harder harder in the coming weeks and

04:28:31.120 months to undermine the independence movement all they've got is emotion and fear because by every

04:28:37.360 objective measure our kids and grandkids will be way better off in an independent alberta absolutely

04:28:42.380 yep and i think they're gonna scare us by shutting off the taps but they're just

04:28:46.860 de-benefiting themselves yeah i mean the oil it's not it's not like it's bananas no you know like

04:28:51.700 we sell bananas and it's like oh my god they're gonna be bad if we can't keep shipping them it's

04:28:55.340 like okay fine we'll just it'll still be we'll show you exactly i have one more uh so for the

04:29:02.240 many albertans who aren't fully sold on independence yet but feel deeply concerned

04:29:06.740 about their kids and grandkids future uh rising costs fewer opportunities and watching alberta's

04:29:12.300 wealth and potential constantly held back by decisions made far away in ottawa what would

04:29:17.700 you say to them about why choosing option two on october 19th i was hoping that would happen

04:29:24.040 i could open the door to more confident prosperous alberta where our own resources work ethic

04:29:30.100 and values finally build the kind of province we all want to pass on well i think we're going to

04:29:36.680 have to try and get past the emotion the emotion of the patriotism of the

04:29:42.260 symbolism of Canada I'm not planning on leaving Canada Canada left me yes

04:29:49.880 absolutely and and here's another thing we're not actually leaving Canada and

04:29:57.320 let me be precise about this because some people might misinterpret what I'm

04:30:00.840 saying and get mad at me like you I just saw the fist clenched and you're closest so I gotta be

04:30:07.480 really careful uh so let me see if I can get that fist unclenched and it's this we're not bringing 1.00

04:30:14.220 in concrete cutters and jackhammers and and and dollies and house movers to lift Alberta up and

04:30:21.460 move it somewhere which is what a lot of people kind of make it sound like that's what's happening 0.84

04:30:25.140 intuitively without thinking about it does seem that way we're always going to have British

04:30:30.060 columbia is our neighbor to to the west and saskatchewan and i mean saskatchewan if we go

04:30:35.020 is going to come and it's so it'll be manitoba to the east um but what's going to change is our

04:30:41.620 relationship with the rest of canada we are exploited we're treated as a colony we have

04:30:48.300 taxation without representation we have taxation without representation the laws that are made that

04:30:55.560 affect us, that affect the safety of our community, the delivery of our health care are made in Ottawa

04:31:02.360 by politicians we can never elect. And that will always be the case. That's why Canada is

04:31:08.720 structurally broken and doesn't work for Alberta anymore. So through independence, we're going to

04:31:15.420 redefine our relationship with Canada. We're going to have one where our respect will be

04:31:21.220 respect for us will be automatic because we are the ones the wealth creators we're the hard workers

04:31:29.300 we're the entrepreneurs we're the risk takers and we have the third largest reserve of oil in the

04:31:36.980 world and we have the small one of the smallest populations relative to our oil reserves so if

04:31:45.280 you look at countries in the middle east where the government there also owns the oil like the

04:31:50.660 government here in Alberta owns the oil even though they have a far higher population and not

04:31:57.020 as much oil reserves as us they have no income tax they have free health care they have free

04:32:03.180 education it is inevitable that in time if our economy is freed and we can supply the oil and

04:32:09.780 gas to the world that so desperately wants it because we can get rid of these ideologues in

04:32:14.140 in ontario and quebec and who keep voting in the guys in ottawa who are pursuing net zero

04:32:21.500 will be able to create the most prosperous country in the world it's a fact yep so how do we change

04:32:29.580 these people's minds who are still on the fence about moving forward with independence well you

04:32:36.780 know you have different problems in politics the biggest problem is actually getting people to even

04:32:41.100 pay attention to you right it's the you know we could do a little survey here and go walk down

04:32:47.020 the street uh and and bump into people and a whole bunch of them wouldn't even if you said what's the

04:32:51.900 name of the premier of alberta they'd go joe biden yep you know like i don't know what's a premier

04:32:58.620 is that oh is that that soccer team yeah you know so uh and of course there's gradients of that

04:33:04.540 So we've at one of the key important aspects of our campaign, the campaign that Tanya and I are leading with Let Alberta Decide, LetAlbertaDecide.com.

04:33:15.840 Derek, is that where they can go to donate?

04:33:17.280 That is where they can go to donate.

04:33:18.960 That is exactly where they can go to donate.

04:33:21.840 So just to wrap up on this is that our campaign has so many different aspects to it.

04:33:28.460 They're all targeted to those different groups.

04:33:30.340 So we have a particular method of campaigning that we're unleashing to target that 21-year-old who's suddenly realizing how expensive it is to rent his or her apartment and going into a grocery store and looking with envy at that jar of pickles saying, someday I'm going to be able to afford that baby, right?

04:33:49.760 And leaving with so few groceries compared to what they thought they would be able to afford.

04:33:53.820 looking at their paycheck and seeing how much the gross amount was like what their work was really

04:33:59.700 worth and how much they get and how much the government takes i've said to some of my nephews

04:34:05.620 who are in their 20s i said could you imagine working and that top number you keep and they're

04:34:11.340 like no way uncle keith that would be awesome right so uh for each of the demographics for

04:34:17.640 the seniors who are worried about their pensions uh for you know one of the hardest demographics

04:34:22.480 for us to crack is actually um parents who are like uh uh in their 40s and who have kids who are

04:34:32.080 uh you know 8 to 12. yeah right and both of them are working and have a good income and they go

04:34:38.240 life's pretty good for me why why should i take the risk so our campaign is multi-layered is very

04:34:45.040 dynamic and it's very professional and we're targeting each one of those groups through

04:34:51.440 different methods yes agreed okay you know and that brings us to a very important point and it's

04:34:56.060 one that I want to address with the audience because this is literally what we're discussing

04:35:00.020 is the old phrase that I've been hearing for about the last year you can't vote your way

04:35:05.400 out of this Alberta has been given a golden ticket in the sense that we finally have the

04:35:10.440 opportunity to show that votes actually matter at least in this province and we have the ability

04:35:15.500 to do so the problem we're facing and what we're seeing today and the reason for this telethon

04:35:20.340 folks this is our only shot now or never is the only time to make the donations please I know

04:35:26.980 times are tough I know people are struggling dig into your pockets throw out a donation and I'm

04:35:32.820 going to tell you why I started this YouTube journey a couple of years ago back at the height

04:35:37.740 of the pandemic shortly around the times of the freedom convoy brought out a little ditty called

04:35:42.900 how the prime minister stole freedom and during the emergency act hearing I went down to Ottawa

04:35:51.080 I met Keith Wilson for the first time in Ottawa,

04:35:53.580 which is funny given that we live, you know, very close to each other now.

04:35:57.340 But when I sat down in this rental that they were staying in,

04:36:02.620 and I talked to Keith and we sat down and he asked what got me involved

04:36:06.160 in writing these books or taking a shot at Prime Minister Justin Trudeau.

04:36:12.320 And I told him everything that our family had gone through.

04:36:14.420 I told him about my kids staring at the TV asking,

04:36:17.360 are the truckers going to get our lives back?

04:36:19.340 Tamara Leach has quoted that was one of the times they thought maybe Canada could be saved.

04:36:23.800 And I'll tell you, watching those trucks go past in Manitoba and the CB radio saying,

04:36:29.840 thank you, truckers, for what you're doing with all the kids cheering for them.

04:36:32.360 I had faith that the nostalgic Canada that I once believed in still existed,

04:36:37.420 that it could be saved and salvaged from this tyrant of a prime minister.

04:36:41.620 Unfortunately, we saw how things unfolded.

04:36:43.960 But as I told Keith this story about how my family dealt with the pandemic,

04:36:47.460 alongside my children losing their grandmother

04:36:49.720 behind a wall because of the way the pandemic went.

04:36:53.340 This man, after meeting me for less than five minutes,

04:36:55.520 shed a tear.

04:36:56.700 He showed emotion.

04:36:58.160 And it was at that moment I knew that this man,

04:37:01.340 despite what people say about lawyers,

04:37:02.900 was the most trustworthy lawyer on the face of the planet.

04:37:05.640 And he is a man that only am I happy to call a friend,

04:37:08.340 but I trust his plan.

04:37:09.480 I trust all of these TPAs and the plans that they have.

04:37:12.400 And the best thing you can do right now

04:37:13.840 is to reach in, support them,

04:37:16.060 and support their efforts for Alberta.

04:37:18.360 Support the efforts that hundreds and thousands

04:37:20.840 of volunteers made over the winter

04:37:24.340 while collecting signatures out in the freezing cold

04:37:26.500 to ensure that Alberta could be free.

04:37:28.640 If we don't win the vote October 19th, folks,

04:37:31.460 the whole effort goes to waste.

04:37:33.820 It's all for nothing.

04:37:35.060 Not completely.

04:37:36.080 This genie's never going back in the bottle,

04:37:38.140 but we get one crack at this.

04:37:40.140 Might as well do it right the first time.

04:37:41.820 So head over to albertatelethon.com.

04:37:44.080 All TPAs are listed there.

04:37:45.620 reach in whatever you can afford a dollar five dollars ten dollars one thousand dollars like

04:37:50.800 we did on the show folks get in there support your local tpas wherever you feel your money is

04:37:56.240 going to be best used and help them out let's get alberta over the finish line it's our only option

04:38:02.680 right now let's vote our way away from this um mike you had uh a few things you wanted to talk

04:38:08.080 about as well yeah a few more questions oh i definitely have a few more questions um batman

04:38:12.720 and or superman why both there you go why why because they're both awesome and they're superheroes

04:38:20.400 there you go there you go names with martha whoa okay okay that's good okay okay we talked about

04:38:28.640 the pipeline stuff uh why no signs what's going on with the signs for your tpa um my ford operating

04:38:34.720 base in calgary sending me messages lawn signs lawn signs so if you go to our let alberta decide

04:38:41.600 website you will see there's announcement we were putting it on social media today we have three

04:38:45.740 sign locations set up for tomorrow at three different points in in calgary you can go to

04:38:50.600 the information it'll give you the locations uh very easy to understand we just sent out an email

04:38:56.400 to a couple thousand people with that information as well from 10 30 till 1 p.m tomorrow we're doing

04:39:02.380 our small sign distribution however if you've driven through calgary one of the things you will

04:39:07.060 have seen is that Stephen Carter has these very strange white and red signs that say

04:39:12.700 he's such a douche no to all the questions and he's just data mining lists so he just

04:39:18.460 wants people's names for his political party but um we are going to we currently have um

04:39:25.320 a hundred large signs in production for for Calgary uh we have a sign making team we have

04:39:32.540 a workshop we have an interesting strategy for how the signs are going to be designed because

04:39:38.540 we're anticipating vandalism and somebody on my team came up with a brilliant idea which we won't

04:39:45.420 share until we you start to see it and we also have volunteer teams that are going to be patrolling

04:39:51.100 the signs regularly and what we would like to achieve is that when a sign is vandalized or

04:39:55.980 damaged it will be replaced within 24 hours because that will send a message yes when someone drives

04:40:01.580 by. Here's what we want to happen. Somebody drives by. They're an independent supporter. They're on

04:40:05.940 the fence. I'm not sure about us and they don't think we know what we're doing. All they see is

04:40:09.560 the red and white signs. Now they're going to see these big, beautiful, blue signs, four by eights.

04:40:14.120 And they're going to go, wow, they're up. And then they're going to drive by a few days later and it's

04:40:17.040 going to be vandalized. And they're going to, oh, I knew that was going to happen. And then they're

04:40:20.840 going to drive by the next day and they're going to go, huh, it's been fixed. And then it's going

04:40:25.760 to get vandalized again. And then they're going to drive by again and they're going to go, huh,

04:40:28.820 it's going to be fixed. And then they're going to say to themselves, these independence people

04:40:32.600 know what they're doing. Yep. And if they know what they're doing on this, maybe actually they

04:40:35.640 got this whole thing, right? It's a small example, but it's happening. But we do need volunteers.

04:40:40.740 So if you are someone who is interested in volunteering with our particular large sign

04:40:46.520 install and repair team and manufacturing team, please go to info at letalbertadecide.com info,

04:40:56.840 send an email at info at letalbertadecide.com and give your name and information and what

04:41:04.640 your skill set is and where you are. We're currently going to be branching out the large

04:41:09.580 sign campaign. There's a lot some tricks around the bylaws. I'm currently I know a lawyer he's

04:41:15.780 working for free. I'm reviewing all the sign bylaws right now and so once we know where we

04:41:23.320 can and can't put signs we're going to try and put them up in your hometown sir uh madam and uh

04:41:29.000 and as well as grand prairie uh lloyd minster red deer lethbridge medicine hat all the major

04:41:36.140 regional centers and to start showing the support and you know we've all experienced the fear that

04:41:42.860 people have and that in itself is a remarkable testament to how uh things have gone off track

04:41:51.920 in Canada, that you need to be fearful of showing your political affiliation. But the bigger signs

04:41:59.540 on where legally they can be put on common property, on public property, are safer because

04:42:05.340 you're not going to have a repercussion of putting it outside your home. So there's so many people

04:42:09.660 that want to put them on their home, but they're concerned about it. So this overcomes that to show

04:42:14.040 the level of support. But we're also doing a lot more than signs. We're going to be doing some

04:42:19.100 really interesting stuff that's already in the works awesome good good stuff good stuff is that

04:42:24.840 not the perfect analogy for alberta either right something gets pushed back by vandalism and we

04:42:30.520 just come back stronger and we show that we can take the hits and keep moving forward i love it

04:42:35.840 i absolutely love it that's the way this movement's been run folks and you guys have shown that with

04:42:40.500 people getting cigarettes put out on their faces coffee thrown at them events shut down and

04:42:45.580 canceled like a hydra you cut off one head we keep coming back stronger independence is the key

04:42:52.640 to alberta's survival i think we're winning this fight i think it's safe to say we're winning this

04:42:57.520 fight keith i know nat and the guy kind of beat us to the punch earlier but tanny answered the

04:43:01.680 question so i want to ask you sure what are you most hopeful for with an independent alberto what

04:43:06.520 what what keeps you motivated to get an independent alberto what's the keith wilson sales pitch

04:43:13.220 well i i know the entrepreneurial spirit of albertans i know our work ethic i see it

04:43:23.340 this uh you know if life something knocks you down brush yourself up stand stand up and keep

04:43:29.660 going and it's true it's from our roots it's people who have who that approach to life

04:43:38.320 appeals to them end up here it doesn't you don't have to be from alberta to admire that that that

04:43:45.620 work ethic that cultural characteristic so you combine that with some really simple things

04:43:52.600 we have incredible institutional infrastructure in place you know some people say um i think the

04:43:59.180 premier did and i was very disappointed when she did and if she didn't others have said it which

04:44:03.660 is oh well it's going to be very expensive to build all of these things from scratch we're not

04:44:10.620 building anything from scratch it's already here it's already here do you think the people we know

04:44:16.960 i don't have to be hypothetical we know that the people who currently work at the passport office

04:44:22.840 want to keep their job we know the people that meet us at the airports that have the blue uniforms on

04:44:30.560 and say borders and customs agency they want to keep their job they already know how to do it as

04:44:35.620 well exactly so we want them to be able to go if independence occurs on a tuesday i want them to go

04:44:41.360 to the job on wednesday and do the exact same thing they did on tuesday and over time we will

04:44:45.920 the new government of alberta will improve things but let me give a more of a concise answer to your

04:44:50.880 question um we have everything here that is needed to create the freest most prosperous

04:45:01.240 place in the world and the only reason it is not happening is we have no control over our future 0.99

04:45:11.960 we are ruled by ottawa they use us they abuse us they reach into our pocket they misuse the 0.99

04:45:19.560 spending of money and they're ideologically opposed to us and they want to hold us back 1.00

04:45:26.420 and they are holding us back and they have been holding us back we have achieved the greatest

04:45:32.280 economic growth in canada the greatest number of job creation and the greatest level of investment

04:45:38.220 despite being pinned down with ottawa's knee on our neck so that future for my kids grandkids and

04:45:47.300 yours of getting Ottawa off of our neck is uh something that brings joy to me and it's completely

04:45:55.300 achievable and I think we're gonna get there yep oh yeah so what you're saying is is in an

04:46:00.060 independent Alberta we wouldn't have 160,000 dollar food flights or braised beef and luxury

04:46:04.940 butter I don't even know what luxury butter is right I uh the bougie butter yeah I don't even

04:46:10.540 know what it is I don't even sound good I'll make you feel not something gross European

04:46:14.280 It's velvety. 0.99

04:46:15.200 No, it's probably gross European cows.

04:46:18.660 I worked in government in the late 90s when Ralph Klein was premier

04:46:25.220 and he was going through a period of extreme cutbacks.

04:46:28.780 And we went from having lunch meetings where catered food was coming in

04:46:34.040 with fresh fruit shish kebabs and chocolate-jipped strawberries,

04:46:38.920 I kid you not, to lunch meeting, no food,

04:46:43.480 bring a bag lunch and we all literally showed up with a brown bag and nobody complained we didn't

04:46:49.460 complain and uh uh the waste that occurs in government is off the scale because it's not

04:46:56.580 their money they don't care they're spending your money yep you know it was one thing my father

04:47:01.620 always said because we moved to alberta in 1995 we lived in alberta my father was transferred out

04:47:06.740 to manitoba moved back in 95 10 years later and when we came out i was a teenager and i asked him

04:47:11.720 Why are we uprooting our lives and going out to Alberta, of all places?

04:47:15.600 To meet me.

04:47:16.420 Well, that was one of them.

04:47:18.100 But you know what he told me at the time was Alberta was booming.

04:47:21.820 It was the mid-'90s.

04:47:22.900 The oil boom was huge.

04:47:24.640 Entrepreneurs were coming in.

04:47:25.960 Home business startups were at a highly successful rate.

04:47:29.380 And he said, Alberta's the one province in the country that you can make a name for yourself

04:47:34.260 and that you can get ahead no matter how high you want to go,

04:47:37.720 as long as you're willing to get your hands dirty and put in an honest day's work.

04:47:40.660 If you're looking for a job, you can find a job within a day.

04:47:44.740 And if you want to work your way up a corporate ladder, they will train you.

04:47:48.060 They will actually help you get ahead because they want to invest in their own people.

04:47:53.080 And at 15 years old, I didn't appreciate that.

04:47:55.040 But as I grew throughout the province, as I spent my time in Alberta,

04:47:57.920 that reigned true up until about the early 2000s.

04:48:01.660 Once we started getting governments in that wanted nothing more to do

04:48:04.420 than to use their names like a NASCAR driver to give contracts to their friends,

04:48:08.380 scandalous spending trudeau happened we all saw how things went there i think it's very adherent

04:48:15.180 at this point that alberta understand those days can come back when i talked earlier about the

04:48:20.460 sentiment of what canada used to be if you were in alberta anytime before the year 2000 following

04:48:26.460 the national energy program seeing those booming years that can return tenfold in alberta under a

04:48:32.860 new republic when you think about the teachers who are protesting right now saying we need to

04:48:37.980 raise we need more money we need smaller classrooms how many schools could we build

04:48:41.740 without the bureaucracy of the federal government and red tape with the billions we're not sending

04:48:46.140 in transfer payments how fast could we build those schools how many teachers would be clawing their

04:48:51.260 way into alberta to get a job because they're no longer paying federal income tax or gst same

04:48:58.860 thing with hospitals doctors how many doctors would love an extra 30 on their paychecks i see

04:49:04.700 mike's note their age benefit would benefit as well you look at age and adap those on disabilities

04:49:10.140 could finally start getting real funding and those who are taking advantage of the system folks

04:49:14.860 they would be removed yeah we would have a brand new program the prosperous nation of alberta

04:49:20.540 would be a true marvel to behold i think people from all over the world let alone canada would be

04:49:26.060 flowing in at an alarming rate we would have to vet who's coming in but nonetheless

04:49:31.820 as nice as that sounds that would be nice to just vet people who are coming in the the idea of an

04:49:36.380 independent alberta for the last year ever since i watched pier poliev lose the federal election

04:49:40.700 i was pro-pier i thought finally we had a chance things can change uh i was shown very quickly that

04:49:46.380 the government can kind of set the system how they want it to in order to win their elections

04:49:50.780 there is no hope when it comes to being on that carousel now if the definition of insanity is

04:49:55.180 doing the same thing over and over and hoping for different results now's the time we do something

04:49:59.580 different again now's the time to donate head over to albertatelefon.com yes make your donations

04:50:05.800 support a free and independent Alberta one of the things I do worry about throw you a 20 every time

04:50:10.980 you say donate donate now uh one of the things I do worry about Keith uh that we hear a lot being

04:50:19.180 discussed not only in the house of commons on the media on the news is uh we know uh Bruce

04:50:24.340 party's been talking about a lot the clarity act now we've seen the dust getting kicked up in the

04:50:29.940 house of commons when they talked about 50 plus one we saw and it's unbelievable folks it wasn't

04:50:34.380 on my bingo card that quebec would come to alberta's defense absolutely but when they start

04:50:38.260 talking about the clarity act when they start talking about can alberta actually leave i've

04:50:42.320 heard many people saying i think it's going to come down to a unilateral declaration of independence

04:50:47.020 we don't feel that ottawa would honor the clarity act we feel that this would get drawn out where

04:50:52.200 do you see things going with the Clarity Act and do you think it's going to take a unilateral

04:50:57.340 declaration in order for us to get out? So what we need to understand is that it was in 1998 that

04:51:04.820 the Supreme Court of Canada released its decision and by that I mean the succession reference case

04:51:11.540 that laid out the pathway for a province to vote on a clear question with a clear majority and then

04:51:18.680 that triggers a duty of good faith negotiation, and the province can become an independent country.

04:51:24.340 1998. In the year 2000, the Liberal government brought in the Clarity Act. So the Supreme Court

04:51:30.360 of Canada laid out this roadway and put bridges on it and overpasses and so on to make it all

04:51:39.260 possible, a legal constitutional pathway. What happened with the Clarity Act is it put barriers

04:51:46.460 and roadblocks and detours in place.

04:51:50.960 But the day after the Clarity Act was passed in the Parliament in the year 2000,

04:51:58.100 the Quebec General Assembly passed Bill 99.

04:52:03.060 And what Bill 99 was, the Quebec government saying,

04:52:07.140 bugger off Ottawa, we're going to follow the Supreme Court of Canada decision,

04:52:12.400 your Clarity Act is unconstitutional,

04:52:14.660 you don't get to decide whether a question is clear you don't get to decide whether or not

04:52:22.100 it's a clear majority that's not what the supreme court of canada said the supreme court of canada

04:52:27.920 trumps the parliament which is a basic fact you learn in first year law school so they they said

04:52:34.720 away with you ottawa we're not going to follow it bill 99 was challenged and upheld in the superior

04:52:40.220 court and the court of appeal in quebec so when you referred to a moment ago how quebec came to

04:52:47.540 our defense which was about a month ago when the prime minister said well this referendum question

04:52:51.880 in alberta is going to have to be referred to the parliament the stream of quebec politicians both

04:52:56.520 federally and provincially came to the podiums and held press conferences says alberta ignore them

04:53:01.600 you have the right to decide you have the right to democratic self-determination the clarity act

04:53:08.080 is unconstitutional it's an improper attempt they even said one of the quebec politicians said

04:53:14.620 that it was a federal government overreach and authoritarianism and she was correct okay so

04:53:23.960 um the reality is is that the to the extent that the clarity act is inconsistent with the supreme

04:53:31.560 court of canada decision which it is in many respects and to the extent that it purports

04:53:37.080 to give exclusive control and sort of veto power to ottawa it's unconstitutional that's the approach

04:53:45.580 that quebec took back in 2000 and that's still the law there so what i think should happen here

04:53:52.040 you've interviewed the premier premier smith and she's talked about her sovereignty act here and

04:53:59.280 defending alberta sovereignty within canada and that legislation which i publicly supported and

04:54:04.980 defended her when she introduced it many years ago, is there's a mechanism in there where the

04:54:10.660 legislature here in Alberta can pass a resolution when they believe the federal government's intruding

04:54:15.960 into provincial jurisdiction. This would be a perfect opportunity for the premier to demonstrate

04:54:21.060 her commitment to basic democratic principles, Alberta's sovereignty, follow Quebec's footsteps,

04:54:26.820 pass a resolution in the legislature in the next session saying Albertans will decide whether the

04:54:31.740 question is clear. Albertans will decide whether there's a clear majority, not Ottawa. Ottawa needs

04:54:37.640 to stop playing this game. So to go to the final point that you raised, the legal obligation is of

04:54:45.080 the federal government and the provinces to enter into good faith negotiations after a vote on a

04:54:49.560 clear question with a clear majority. If we will invite them, the Alberta government will invite

04:54:54.460 them into those negotiations. If they say, oh no, no, we can't come because we haven't passed a

04:54:59.160 resolution in the parliament under the claret act we say the meeting still next tuesday we will be

04:55:05.080 there and if they don't show up then we say that's bad faith and they say oh we want a court

04:55:09.940 interpretation we say that's bad faith if you've got an obligation to negotiate in good faith

04:55:15.120 and we give them a period of days just like i would in a litigation negotiation i'm not going

04:55:19.760 to play silly bugger forever with the other side i'm going to say all right you got 60 days or you

04:55:24.180 got 90 days or you got 30 days and then we would reach a point i think the negotiation should take 0.96

04:55:28.940 90 days because all of the things that we need to take over are known yeah right and the work of the

04:55:34.900 transition council we're identifying all those things we're preparing term sheets and other

04:55:38.920 things to help with the negotiations to shorten a timeline i think at some point the the the

04:55:45.440 government of alberta after the vote will say um will say you've got 30 days if we don't reach a

04:55:54.060 deal. If you don't engage in good faith negotiations, we're going to use paragraph 155 of the Supreme

04:55:59.960 Court of Canada decision. We're going to issue a unilateral declaration of independence for

04:56:04.920 the new country of Alberta. And where do you suppose that would lead us? Because a lot of

04:56:09.500 people, and they're going to say it, it goes to MAGA, it goes to the United States. Do you think

04:56:14.180 President Trump at that point or any country around the world would come up, call Mark Carney

04:56:19.160 and say, well, you know, I got to be honest, you know, that Alberta government, they're really

04:56:23.580 something okay and they just call the unilateral declaration of independence though one of them

04:56:27.920 so we're going to recognize alberta do you think that's going to happen or do you think that uh

04:56:32.820 we're going to have more tumbleweeds to get over before alberta can break away no i think it's

04:56:36.640 going to happen right away because government's an artificial construct nice right i mean try and

04:56:41.460 touch it they can't sit here in this room i can touch this yeah i can touch this fine man but

04:56:47.680 That'll cost you.

04:56:48.200 There you go.

04:56:49.140 Well, I got money.

04:56:50.660 Donate.

04:56:52.240 So the point in point is that I think the negotiations,

04:56:59.380 if we negotiate from our true position of strength,

04:57:03.640 which respectfully is not something the Premier has done to date,

04:57:06.520 she went into this negotiation over this pipeline,

04:57:09.260 like if she was in a poker game and she barely had a pair of twos,

04:57:12.720 and the fact of the matter is she had three aces and two kings. 0.97

04:57:16.240 Phenomenal leverage.

04:57:17.280 So back to your specific question, I think what will happen, if they're going to be vindictive, you know, Peter Lougheed, when he was premier and was getting frustrated with the liberals in Ottawa, the federal government, he announced that the government of Alberta, if the federal government didn't come to the table, would reduce the flow, would reduce, didn't actually do it, would reduce the flow of nine, nine and five by 15%.

04:57:46.880 And they came to the table and they amended the Constitution and put in Section 92A, which, by the way, the federal government completely ignores and overrides right now.

04:57:55.900 So it didn't achieve much, but that's the structural problem.

04:57:58.680 My point is, if they really want to be mean and unfair and vindictive, we have phenomenal leverage.

04:58:05.400 We can play ball.

04:58:05.740 We have direct control over whether or not two major sources of the Canadian economy can carry on tomorrow.

04:58:16.200 which is the supply of energy to their to their localities so i i think we have tremendous strength

04:58:23.480 um i cannot see a circumstance you know somebody said oh well the canadian government would send

04:58:31.860 in the army well all right i mean let's just assume i know they're all the cannons i know okay

04:58:38.580 we'd all put on safety glasses because they might throw tampons at us i get it you could get an

04:58:42.400 abrasion on your eye um but assume they we actually had an army that hadn't been destroyed

04:58:49.360 like the liberals have um like what are they going to do other than you know arrest me you know like

04:58:56.000 are they going to arrest you too like are they going to arrest i don't know i'm guessing with 0.53

04:58:59.340 my luck they probably would yeah so yeah gulag we go baby i'll be calling you keith yeah and i'm doing

04:59:04.300 i'm doing black market tattoos you know and remember this this is super important for everybody

04:59:08.700 remember um is that in september of 2025 prime minister carney announced that the government

04:59:17.980 of canada was giving international recognition to the unilateral declaration of the state of

04:59:23.740 palestine of nationhood they didn't have a defined boundary at least alberta has a defined boundary

04:59:28.640 defined people a defined culture in a defined economy so he's refreshed and renewed the concept

04:59:34.380 that an identifiable region can invoke paragraph 155 of the Supreme Court of the Decision

04:59:41.240 and make a unilateral declaration of independence.

04:59:46.760 And you know that the Americans and President Trump's going to say,

04:59:50.660 well, Prime Minister, you remember you did this in September of 2025.

04:59:54.060 I'm doing it now.

04:59:55.000 You know, you did it back then. I don't like that you did that.

04:59:57.020 Yeah, and you know the next country to recognize will no doubt be Israel.

05:00:01.660 and there's at least 20 other countries that are going to recognize and the most important country

05:00:05.940 to recognize us is our largest customer in the largest economy of the world that we supply the

05:00:12.800 most of things to and not just oil and we know they're going to so we're in a tremendous position

05:00:19.360 of strength and I think what will happen is we'll enter into a bilateral agreement with the rest of

05:00:24.300 Canada for mobility and trade I have a son in Vancouver I still want to travel to Vancouver

05:00:29.220 where people are going to...

05:00:30.620 BC, we ship $30 billion worth of oil through the TMX pipeline.

05:00:35.700 They ship $50 billion, $50 billion worth of goods

05:00:40.280 through Alberta on our highways and rail lines.

05:00:43.440 You know, I got a question about that.

05:00:44.840 Why are we paying a toll to get our oil over there

05:00:47.400 and they're not paying anything to transport through Alberta?

05:00:49.460 The equivalent, if they put a $1 toll on the pipeline,

05:00:52.980 that would be an equivalent toll on one of the containers,

05:00:56.000 you know, the container ships that come in from Asia

05:00:57.760 that unload at prince rupert and uh and vancouver 80 of those containers which is 900 000 of them

05:01:05.560 an equivalent value for us to to do a reciprocal toll would be 900 per container so that would be

05:01:12.680 like 800 million dollars a year just on their container traffic if they want to play the toll

05:01:18.060 game yeah let's play let's play exactly we'll all be rolling in the dough so uh we it's so weird

05:01:25.680 how well at least our governments have and maybe albertans have we think we're the underdog in

05:01:31.700 this somehow we think that we've somehow maybe we need to apologize and beg we literally go to

05:01:37.620 ottawa please sir may we work harder and generate more wealth so we can give more of it to you

05:01:43.020 and you can tax us harder we've been treated as such for so long and all the other provinces

05:01:47.320 think we are as well yeah and and we have so much strength so much inherent natural strength

05:01:54.540 and it's time for us to exercise it i don't want to treat any other province unfairly i want to

05:02:00.960 have adults in the room having a fair and respectful discussion that's what we can achieve

05:02:06.080 that's what we're going to achieve and that's one of the things i always try to sell home on on the

05:02:10.740 independence talk was that you know people say well you're landlocked no we're not people say

05:02:15.800 oh you'd lose all your trade with canada no they need us it's all that changes folks and this is

05:02:20.920 why we keep pushing the easy conversation with your neighbors your friends everybody else the

05:02:25.720 status quo is all that changes so it comes down to is your life better than it was five years ago

05:02:32.160 10 years ago could it be better can Alberta do better Keith has said it before everyone said it

05:02:38.860 before the answer plain and simple folks is yes let me ask you this though because when it comes

05:02:44.320 to the negotiations and my audience asks a lot who would be upholding those negotiations because

05:02:50.080 i'm not going to nitpick at danielle smith or get into the gossip circle about her but a lot of

05:02:54.900 people have been disappointed with her actions when there was a post that was out recently where

05:02:59.120 people said i missed the old danielle yeah and there was a clip showing her talking about our

05:03:02.800 sovereignty about ottawa overstepping and at one point in time i felt like this is our female ralph

05:03:08.260 klein our female uh peter laughy that's going to really stick the nails to ottawa and we've seen a

05:03:14.360 180 when it comes to the mous and even the formation of this question now i have no problem

05:03:19.840 with the question because I think it's fair we poll all of Alberta do you actually want to leave

05:03:24.460 but when it comes to the negotiations if Danielle Smith is in charge of those negotiations is she

05:03:31.480 going to kick the can down the road or is there a higher power over Danielle Smith with a successful

05:03:36.900 vote to leave that can say no you're obligated to get us out of here well there's a couple things

05:03:43.820 there. First of all, significantly, what the Premier said when she's been asked is that when

05:03:52.880 she's been asked what she will do if Albertans do decide to leave. And she has said she will

05:03:59.180 respect the will of the people and suggested that she would facilitate those negotiations.

05:04:05.480 And you talk about a higher power. There is one. It's called the electorate. No politician has any

05:04:11.520 power they derive their power from each one of us from each x that we put from each hour that we

05:04:17.520 volunteer from each position we take on a constituency association board from each donation

05:04:23.120 that we make from each door knocking that we do from each sign that we put up during an election

05:04:27.200 campaign that's where their power comes from and if enough albertans speak and and and i think

05:04:34.080 increasing number of Albertans are discovering our worth, our value. And I think the leader of

05:04:42.220 the province will reflect that. We need to take a strong position because we have a strong position.

05:04:48.960 We will take a fair position, but that's not what's been happening to date. This pipeline

05:04:53.480 agreement is an absolute fiasco. It's just incredible. It's unrecognizable that respectfully

05:04:59.880 that a UCP government would support this agreement yep it involves it involves 40

05:05:04.960 billion dollars of taxpayer money for the pipeline for which no oil company is

05:05:10.860 announced they will produce anything to put in it no the 10% interest by Pemina

05:05:15.600 pipelines is only it's not even a cash interest it's look at a 10% share of it

05:05:21.120 they're not putting money up the pathways project we scam fought net zero

05:05:29.160 this agreement entrenches net zero our government just signed an agreement agreeing to net zero

05:05:37.860 yeah and nobody else no other country no we're the only ones suckered into it yeah and there's 0.95

05:05:43.120 no market for it nobody in asia or the united states which is the markets possibly some foolish

05:05:49.180 countries in europe might pay more but that's not what we're planning on sending anything because

05:05:53.240 that's not how the whole market flows work for oil so it's remarkable what's

05:05:58.700 happened you know the stampede events and announcements were complete flip you

05:06:03.080 mentioned 180 it's 180 yeah it's not 10 degrees off course that's where it's

05:06:08.120 reversing the hard idea of understanding this like if the pipelines that Mark

05:06:12.200 Carney is supposedly offering which will never get built by the way are so

05:06:15.400 fantastic why does it take the government investing in them to get them

05:06:18.740 done why aren't companies investing why are we getting private investing because

05:06:22.820 they're bogus yeah it's like I don't they're they're non-profitable no

05:06:26.480 company would invest in something that's going to be a money pit I want to drive

05:06:29.780 a really important point home while we're on this so I've just described 40

05:06:34.860 billion for the pipeline we know it's gonna be way more than that they got to

05:06:37.400 build a port facility multiply by four could you imagine the the huge tank farm

05:06:42.080 and go on Google Earth and look at where the Tawasin Ferry is the Roberts Bank

05:06:46.940 and then it's the airport and then it's Stanley Park and stuff they're gonna the 0.92

05:06:51.020 protests and everything to stop that tank farm they're going to be off the scale there's a first 0.59

05:06:55.200 nations right there but let's assume it gets built 40 billion then 25 billion for pathways all of

05:07:02.100 this is around 70 billion once you round up a little bit just to put that in perspective because

05:07:06.960 we keep hearing about billions here billions there the entire budget of Alberta for delivering

05:07:12.660 health care education our transportation our roads our bridges our LRTs all of the things

05:07:20.780 that the province delivers is $70 billion.

05:07:24.240 Unbelievable.

05:07:24.960 And this announcement has been made.

05:07:26.600 All goes on the taxpayer.

05:07:28.580 We have an affordability crisis in Canada

05:07:30.760 because it's been driven by inflation

05:07:32.600 through out-of-control government spending,

05:07:34.820 ridiculous taxation.

05:07:36.560 This pipeline announcement makes all of those things worse.

05:07:41.120 Now, the good news is an MOU is non-binding.

05:07:44.360 All of these agreements that have been announced,

05:07:46.200 including the Pathways Agreement from last Monday,

05:07:48.640 are non-binding.

05:07:50.360 The UCP needs to do some soul searching.

05:07:53.080 Its leadership needs to have an honest look in the mirror.

05:07:55.860 And they need to say, all right, maybe we didn't get this right.

05:07:59.060 And fix it before they sign the binding agreements and commit all of us.

05:08:04.780 There's only one taxpayer to $70 billion of wasted money.

05:08:10.660 Even more reason to support the cause.

05:08:13.220 To donate today.

05:08:14.460 Well, I'll tell you what, folks.

05:08:15.680 Keith hit it on the nail or the nail on the head when he said it's going to take a leader.

05:08:18.520 it is going to take absolutely i don't know about you i think there's kind of like when you guys are

05:08:25.680 done this like we will be throwing money at keith wilson like a cheap stripper look i've already

05:08:31.520 said this guy's available i've already said okay put put put put fake keith down we're not using

05:08:37.120 that away put that away keith is retired uh here's the thing folks i'm not gonna do it uh you don't i

05:08:43.280 said it last night on stream you don't want me in charge of no he would be extreme ruthless it would

05:08:47.980 go from el presidente. Buenos Aires, el presidente coming to you. We're going to build a wall around

05:08:54.180 Alberta. We need Keith in the driver's seat. I think he's the guy. Absolutely. He's going to lead

05:08:58.180 us over the finish line, folks, and all of these TPAs are going to get us over the finish line.

05:09:02.240 Head out now, albertatelethon.com. Again, reach into your pockets. I want to see records broken

05:09:08.080 tonight. I want to see those massive, massive numbers. We want these TPAs flush with cash to

05:09:14.260 ensure not only keith not only tanya not only kathy flett not only jason levine not only cory

05:09:20.420 morgan all of them all of them can get us over the finish line when it comes to the october 19th vote

05:09:25.340 we literally have one shot folks let's not waste it get over donate now and uh show your support

05:09:33.360 65 65 65 k there we go let's go i want to see six figures by the end of the hour is this included

05:09:40.960 like by the end of the telethon there we go that's how i like to hear six seven dance dance

05:09:48.560 now as we wrap up here folks we're going to be heading back to airdrie for uh

05:09:56.000 is it going back to calgary for max and john um i thought it was going sorry my bad i thought

05:09:59.840 it was going into paul's pizza uh max and john will be headed back to calgary john had to get

05:10:04.320 back to his lair i think back to his lair back coughing yeah he's he's taking all that money

05:10:09.520 and running i think no i'm joking uh folks please albertatealthon.com reach in donate now

05:10:15.680 uh do what you can to help out every dollar helps i want to thank keith wilson for joining us in

05:10:21.040 studio tonight he's been busy as hell folks but it's good to have him in here uh everybody for

05:10:25.440 setting this up and john bolton everybody for joining today it's it's been amazing the incredible

05:10:30.720 work everybody has done wow um amazing this was slapped together in such fashion folks and and

05:10:38.240 And it's very heartwarming to see not only our YouTube community,

05:10:41.620 but the multiple YouTube communities coming together,

05:10:43.920 ensuring that these TPAs are well-funded.

05:10:46.340 And everybody behind the scenes making sure it went as smoothly as it possibly could.

05:10:49.820 Max, Critical Compass, everybody that's been behind there.

05:10:52.500 John for putting this on, even though I still think he's a vampire.

05:10:55.160 But that's time.

05:10:56.280 And Keith Wilson for joining us.

05:10:58.000 This is huge.

05:10:58.740 We've got the boss man himself.

05:11:00.380 Guys, donate to all the TPAs.

05:11:01.700 The future El Presidente of Alberta.

05:11:04.640 Questionable pizza choice, by the way.

05:11:06.620 I'll do his speeches for him.

05:11:07.900 Welcome. El Presidente has spoken.

05:11:10.040 How many medals can we get on his chest?

05:11:11.720 There will be no more MOUs, no more wacky pipelines.

05:11:14.720 We're just going to get our leverage in place.

05:11:16.440 Remember this. Momentum is power in politics,

05:11:20.260 and we know who has the momentum.

05:11:22.500 We know who's going to win. 1.00

05:11:23.920 Alberta can do better, folks. 1.00

05:11:25.880 Show it in numbers. Let's go. 1.00

05:11:27.260 We can do better.

05:11:27.880 Let's go.

05:11:28.320 Bye.

05:11:28.400 you stood on those stone cold government steps faith and freedom loud and clear

05:11:43.820 folding chairs and town hall stages spoke the truth they came to hear they stood in line for

05:11:56.640 hours brave the cold and when you talked about their children and the mess we're living in

05:12:04.960 from the back row of the hall to the front row of the fight you said if they're gonna hear us

05:12:13.540 it's gonna be tonight come on let's go so that's gonna be the battle cry for our movement

05:12:21.720 Let's go!

05:12:51.720 Oh, Alberta, this one's for you.

05:12:56.640 I feel like I'm with friends here.

05:12:58.240 That's exactly correct.

05:13:00.000 That's what the whole thing with all these events are for.

05:13:02.640 People understand that they're part of a group of like-minded people

05:13:05.560 that think and have the same ambitions and goals as they have.

05:13:08.660 You stare down that lens in your studio light

05:13:13.700 Coffee gone cold, face pale from the night

05:13:18.700 From the dark hours to the evening show

05:13:24.080 You hit go live and refused to let go

05:13:29.420 Slow roll down from Edmonton, high beams cutting through

05:13:34.880 Northbound up from Calgary, every small town waiting on you

05:13:40.680 Truck stop, coffee cooling between petitions in the rain

05:13:45.920 Car tables and gravel out shopping

05:13:49.380 Every name you came to sign

05:13:52.960 On the freedom line

05:13:55.740 Ink on paper

05:13:58.620 Hearts on fire

05:14:01.060 Every name like gasoline

05:14:04.660 Kicking up that rebel choir

05:14:07.380 Let me shake your hand

05:14:09.500 Thank you for your time

05:14:11.860 Fire up voices

05:14:14.700 Strong and true

05:14:17.220 You stepped up for Alberta

05:14:20.980 This one's for you

05:14:25.200 I am Alberta

05:14:27.700 Again

05:14:28.440 I am Alberta

05:14:31.340 I am Alberta

05:14:34.880 This one's for you

05:14:36.300 I am Alberta

05:14:38.300 You filled up clipboards of sleet and rain

05:14:42.060 Roadside lots by the highway chain

05:14:44.760 And echoing halls where the floors were bare

05:14:47.520 You passed that pen like a whispered prayer

05:14:50.660 You came to sight

05:14:53.920 On the frozen ground

05:14:56.540 Heard your own heartbeat

05:14:59.540 Like a drum's low sound

05:15:01.980 Looked around

05:15:04.680 Saw you're not alone

05:15:07.220 Countless souls fighting for a home

05:15:12.580 You came to sign on the freedom line

05:15:18.300 Ink on paper, hearts on fire

05:15:23.600 Every name like gasoline

05:15:27.280 Kicking up that rebel choir

05:15:29.960 Let me shake your hand

05:15:31.840 Thank you for your time

05:15:34.420 We've gotten by round three

05:15:37.200 Now we're in the Stanley Cup final.

05:15:39.380 And away we go.

05:15:40.580 Thank you very much.

05:15:41.360 God bless all of you.

05:15:58.340 All righty.

05:16:00.420 Now I'm enjoying my internet people.

05:16:03.740 Finally.

05:16:04.600 Are we back?

05:16:05.720 We're back.

05:16:07.080 back in the house welcome welcome back it's good to be here john bolton with you 11 hours after i

05:16:12.720 was on earlier this morning and it is really uh really great to see you again it's been a long

05:16:19.000 day but i'll tell you it has been an exciting day i'd like to thank everybody that made a donation

05:16:24.680 today i really appreciate it and there's still time to go we've got another hour of the telethon

05:16:29.840 we will be throwing it back to paul's pizza shortly i'm going to be heading out there with

05:16:34.600 my wife, and all the people that have gathered out at Paul's Pizza. And if you want to go out,

05:16:39.920 you still got some time, and I'd love to see you there. First off, before I move on to Paul's,

05:16:45.460 you can make a donation, albertatelethon.com. As Fringe said, let's get the numbers up. We can

05:16:50.440 still raise money. Generally, telethons make more money during the evening. And if you're out there

05:16:56.040 and haven't made a donation, albertatelethon.com. Pick one of the TPAs, third-party advertisers,

05:17:01.500 and make a donation now before i move on i want to i want to thank some people but i want to

05:17:07.000 thank the guy beside me um you know i said on a video i did earlier this morning on my channel

05:17:12.880 that max is like share prince and madonna most people don't know his last name it's just max

05:17:20.500 and everybody knows max i have to tell you i have to tell you that this would have been

05:17:28.640 impossible without Max

05:17:30.420 and Jager Gustafsson. Jager for giving

05:17:32.620 us this remarkable space we're in

05:17:34.620 right now. Coming over here

05:17:36.500 helping out with the technology.

05:17:38.440 But this guy right here was running around this

05:17:40.400 afternoon and doing amazing work

05:17:42.380 for about 6-7 hours yesterday.

05:17:44.480 We lost the internet today.

05:17:46.240 He was sweating buckets running back and forth

05:17:48.440 to get us back on. Max, thanks so much.

05:17:51.460 Thank you.

05:17:52.920 Thank you.

05:17:53.840 I'm crying.

05:17:56.220 Thanks, brother. Thank you.

05:17:58.240 you know how much we appreciate you right you've been running around this province

05:18:02.520 for what a year going to every damn place in this problem you've been to every town here

05:18:09.020 we love you pal we love you thank you so much you know that everybody does thank you yeah and i also

05:18:19.060 want to thank everybody who were watching some people um i was expecting that anyways i wanted

05:18:27.040 So thank you, everybody, for watching all the social media accounts.

05:18:31.500 And don't forget to give a last stretch for the telethon, because I'll tell you why.

05:18:36.400 For somebody who, as John Bolton was saying, who has been driving all over the place,

05:18:42.740 how many, countless oil changes, gas, and everything,

05:18:46.720 what I can tell you is that in order to organize something like a town hall, it takes a lot of money.

05:18:52.520 So how much money do we have here?

05:18:54.400 If you would look at the numbers here.

05:18:56.040 Well, we're well over $100,000 today.

05:18:58.660 Money is still coming in.

05:18:59.840 The website, by the way, albertatelethon.com, will live on until October the 19th, but continue.

05:19:05.600 Yeah, so just so you don't understand it because we see all those numbers, those like $65,000

05:19:10.340 and all those numbers that you see there.

05:19:12.360 Just to give you some perspective, for instance, if you organize,

05:19:17.360 if when Let's Talk Alberta organized their town hall meetings,

05:19:20.280 their costs can go anywhere from $5,000 to $8,000, just one town hall meeting.

05:19:28.020 So when those guys from, let's say, Les Alvarez decided to do a town hall meeting,

05:19:33.360 when Jayce Levine decides to do a town hall meeting, there are some costs attached to that.

05:19:38.460 Even if you bring speakers from the outside, you have to bring people, you have to pay hotels,

05:19:45.500 even their planes gas money all those things add up so you can have you can easily get five thousand

05:19:54.200 seven thousand dollars just for one town hall meeting yeah so that's why it's important as we

05:20:00.540 are going through this process prior to october 19 to contribute as generous as possible and i can

05:20:08.660 tell you a story some people told me that who work at the government even who are not going to

05:20:17.700 attend a town hall meeting because they fear about forgetting the loss they're to lose their jobs

05:20:24.140 there are people who are on one who cannot just seem the reason why i'm doing those live streams

05:20:29.080 because i got people who tell me in part that they cannot you can't come they can't come because they

05:20:34.540 If their boss or their family founds out that they were in an independent town hall, they're going to lose their jobs.

05:20:47.580 I've seen people who lose their job just simply attending a town hall meeting.

05:20:51.180 I've seen people that were discarding their families for the same reason, families raking apart because of that.

05:20:58.820 So a lot of the challenge that we have here as a community is to pass those barriers, in fact.

05:21:07.140 But I can tell you from the money perspective, it takes a lot of money to organize events like what Keith Wilson was saying,

05:21:16.560 is that we're going to do this, going to protect the science, going to replace the science.

05:21:21.440 That's another cost as well, too.

05:21:23.520 So when I see $65,000 from Alberta Decide, I really think that this money will be gotten in a month.

05:21:39.940 Yeah.

05:21:40.460 In a month.

05:21:41.200 And we're not even in August yet.

05:21:44.940 So that's the priority.

05:21:47.180 That's the importance to contribute to Alberta Telton and all those TPAs.

05:21:51.700 If you can't contribute right now, find somebody who can because the uphill bottom that we have is incredibly insane.

05:22:01.540 Yes, we lost the stream at about 4.30 p.m.

05:22:04.920 So we lost the stream because of an Internet outage.

05:22:07.840 But we've seen places where we have people who are legitimately physically attacking canvassers,

05:22:15.140 who are attacking physical infrastructure like power lines and stuff,

05:22:20.200 like I think with Jeff Radd,

05:22:21.640 sometimes they lose power and they were still counting.

05:22:24.080 And we had an attack in Red Deer last night

05:22:26.640 where they wrote traitor on a sign and broke some windows.

05:22:29.640 So this kind of stuff is happening.

05:22:31.280 Yeah, so the attacks are going to unfortunately continue

05:22:35.120 as part of the game as far as I'm concerned.

05:22:38.420 And that's why we need to focus on contributing to those TPS

05:22:42.420 because that is in fact the word chest as well too.

05:22:45.520 So we're going to wrap this up.

05:22:47.680 I want to thank you, everybody, for organizing things for the guys from the Critical Compass.

05:22:52.540 They've done an amazing job.

05:22:55.340 All the podcasters as well who were sharing and patiently waiting for the streams to get in

05:23:00.260 and for the technical side of things.

05:23:03.140 And I want to thank you, John, for organizing all of this.

05:23:05.520 It was a lot of work.

05:23:06.740 I know what it is.

05:23:08.520 And there's a lot of work that gets behind the scenes that you don't see necessarily.

05:23:14.460 this is just the public facing side of things but obviously this is the private facing ones

05:23:20.720 so well thank you very much for watching and i'll see you next time and i'm going to

05:23:25.280 post pizza in energy so yeah so i would like i would like to thank all the hosts um i i said

05:23:31.080 early this morning that i asked people if they would be part of this and every one of them said

05:23:38.540 yes immediately nobody said I'll get back to you they all said yes every one of them all the people

05:23:45.620 that were on today they said yes as well and it's been just such a joy working with these people

05:23:51.660 we are so blessed to know the people who are on here today but I think every one of us that were

05:23:57.940 on this stream today I think Max would agree that we're blessed to know you yeah because you're part

05:24:03.740 of our movement, we would like to say thank you for contributing. There's still time. We need to

05:24:09.420 win this thing, and we're going to need more money and more money and more money. It's hard to say

05:24:13.960 that, but when it comes to politics, really, money really does do the talking. So if you can continue

05:24:20.540 to contribute, albertatelethon.com is up right now. We've still got an hour left. We're heading

05:24:26.160 to Paul's Pizza. Maybe you want to meet us out there. We're going right now. My friend Max,

05:24:30.380 thank you very much

05:24:31.680 thank you so much

05:24:33.040 and we will talk to you again soon

05:24:35.340 see ya

05:24:36.160 my autistic 0.55

05:24:38.360 my internet autistic friends

05:24:40.180 I always keep saying all the time

05:24:42.380 I always say that

05:24:43.360 thanks guys

05:24:46.480 thank you

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The Critical Compass Podcast - July 18, 2026

Alberta Independence Telethon

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