The Critical Compass Podcast - August 27, 2026


Parallel Institutions FIRST: Why a Referendum Isn’t Enough | Fergus Hodgson


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00:00:00.000 what the various traditional institutions that we might think of as being aristocratic or
00:00:05.740 representative are captured. We all know this, higher education, regime, media, various crony
00:00:12.780 business lobbies. My focus is on building, let's say, the foundation, the infrastructure,
00:00:19.520 such that this free nation and people can express themselves. Like I said, disruptive thinking,
00:00:24.700 this is the place to be where we're not just going along and then going back and watching
00:00:29.320 television. I just don't want us to be observers. My goal is that out of it, we get half a dozen or
00:00:38.200 more organizations, fresh organizations that will change the landscape in Alberta.
00:00:59.320 welcome back to the critical compass i'm james this is mike and we're joined today by fergus
00:01:06.240 hodgson who is the director of econ americas and the author of financial sovereignty for canadians
00:01:13.440 welcome fergus it's great to have you on again no mate i'm i'm pleased to speak with you it's
00:01:19.080 been too long i i watch a lot of your shows including your monologues by the river about
00:01:24.360 the whole into alberta status so i appreciate your work well thanks i'll have to jump back to
00:01:30.680 the river again and do another one of those but for now we're preparing for a few events coming
00:01:37.160 up and you're hosting one of these events as well so uh why don't you tell us a little bit about
00:01:45.000 what's happening in september yeah so i'm really pleased to have this opportunity to share this
00:01:51.560 with your audience it is the event is called capitalism and morality calgary it's capitalism
00:01:58.440 and morality.com is september 11 to 12 but the the main conference is on september 12
00:02:05.080 and this is the most potent or radical conference for liberty maybe in canada's history at least in
00:02:13.240 in my memory and i'm assembling a an incredibly impactful or disruptive array of speakers and
00:02:21.880 structuring the event to have a let's say a a strong after effect or to have momentum
00:02:29.640 so i'm really putting all my chips on the table in terms of delivering an event that
00:02:34.520 will have ramifications yeah we were talking before we hit record of you know almost um
00:02:43.240 regardless of what happens in october in alberta for uh for the referendum you you really have your
00:02:48.440 sights set more on a on a holistic long-term vision for how um heterodox thinkers are uh
00:02:58.280 and and and you know media members are are portrayed in this in this country or at least
00:03:03.160 in this province can you maybe expand on sort of what your what your vision there is yeah
00:03:08.440 Yeah. So we get stuck in a lot of surface level debates when it comes to the status of Alberta
00:03:16.500 and the way of life here. And we can talk about different politicians or different parties or
00:03:24.380 various policies or one pipeline or another. And I'm trying to drill down to the very root
00:03:32.880 of what makes Alberta and the region distinct and so I have a great interest in the values
00:03:41.440 and way of life the people of Alberta which I call the broader Alberta nation the the people
00:03:50.000 who populate Alberta and the surrounding regions who are in my view are just are a distinct nation
00:03:55.820 or people already and so my event is cultivating this nation and its values and making it more
00:04:04.540 better represented the the concern i have and this is this occurred to me when i was going on these
00:04:12.400 this these speaking to the speaking events around the independence movement was that you have this
00:04:18.760 very grassroots group of people who are not represented much like the trucker convoy was
00:04:24.080 not represented in parliament and so there's a there's a very unique way of life or value system
00:04:30.460 which i call rugged individualism maybe there are better names for it that is distinct and it's
00:04:35.660 almost indistinguishable between alberta and montana they're basically the same and so i'm
00:04:45.400 seeking to elucidate empower that sense of identity and make it project into the political world
00:04:56.120 after it's been strengthened basically so my focus is on strength strengthening that nation of people
00:05:01.320 which obviously has freedom at its core that's that's one of the most distinguishing factors
00:05:05.800 or attributes and so there are basically three elements to this one is identifying and and
00:05:14.280 and strengthening that group of people and ideally bringing back the diaspora,
00:05:18.760 those who have left, unfortunately, given weaker economic times here.
00:05:22.940 Then building a various array of organizations that will cultivate a new elite or new aristocracy.
00:05:32.600 And then with those demographics and that new aristocracy,
00:05:36.540 projecting that into the political world.
00:05:38.080 and the event at least my goal for the event is to bring this together
00:05:42.660 and in one place with all the heavy hitters who can make this happen
00:05:46.640 so it's more than just like a referendum's a referendum but without the change in the
00:05:57.860 institutions without um the intellectual firepower without a little bit of organization
00:06:04.360 like we need a little bit more to actually found a nation so we don't know if the referendum is
00:06:13.160 going to go through or not yeah and even if it doesn't there's still a lot of work at home
00:06:18.940 that we can do in the meantime and and work that should be done should technically already be be
00:06:27.020 done before going into a referendum like some of these like building these parallel institutions
00:06:33.460 should be ideally should be well underway would you agree or well exactly look i don't want to
00:06:43.120 get too stuck on the referendum because again as you might understand it's not really my priority
00:06:47.480 i would like there to be a yes vote for the rep for the actual referendum in the future
00:06:53.500 but my focus is on building let's say the foundation the infrastructure such that this
00:07:01.520 free nation and people can express themselves. Because right now, the various traditional
00:07:07.840 institutions that we might think of as being aristocratic or representative are captured.
00:07:14.000 We all know this, higher education, regime media, various crony business lobbies,
00:07:20.800 even, I hate to say it, the various think tanks, which are largely controlled opposition,
00:07:24.960 because they've all been neutered and captured, and they're not really threatening to the
00:07:31.440 ottawa regime a nation of people who are proud defiant self-reliant that is incredibly threatening
00:07:42.260 to ottawa who assert themselves defend themselves and push so that's my focus and
00:07:51.920 you know if i want to focus on this so that that's my broader mission which i mean i'm going
00:07:58.160 introduce and talk about more at the event i call it the free uh free nation project and i've got a
00:08:03.920 website up i'm building a website just freenationalberta.org but the you know so that's my
00:08:11.920 personal approach or project in terms of the event capitalism and morality calgary
00:08:17.840 i have written an article which went out on my own website econ america's this my sub stack and
00:08:23.360 and then onto the Western Standard.
00:08:25.960 And that is what makes this event distinct.
00:08:29.580 So I said, we have five attributes.
00:08:34.520 And one is that, yes, this is a conference,
00:08:37.540 so it's unlike any other in the world.
00:08:40.260 So it's not just unique to Alberta or Canada,
00:08:42.060 but across the world because we have,
00:08:43.860 first, we have an actual nation state that can be built.
00:08:48.180 So not only is there an identifiable nation of people,
00:08:53.140 this nation has the capacity or potential
00:08:56.680 to build a state around it that fits.
00:08:59.760 Second, it is radically pro-liberty.
00:09:03.660 Third, the emphasis is on self-action
00:09:08.580 and not just complaining.
00:09:10.580 Fourth, all the speakers are dangerous to the status quo.
00:09:14.280 I mean, half of the people seem to have been
00:09:16.040 either imprisoned or prosecuted
00:09:17.800 or kicked out of their jobs or whatever.
00:09:19.460 I mean, so you can go to the list,
00:09:22.080 Amy Hamm lost her job as a nurse.
00:09:24.560 We've got a state senator from Idaho coming up, and he got into an open civil disobedience
00:09:30.600 case with the IRS, which takes balls of steel, to be frank.
00:09:34.460 I mean, you've got to be incredibly courageous to take on the tax agency.
00:09:38.400 So we've got these incredibly bold or courageous people who threaten the status quo.
00:09:43.900 And then finally, the way I've structured the event, all the talks are basically about
00:09:48.480 10 minutes 10 minutes with a question or two to get to about 15 and then we have round tables
00:09:54.720 so that it's really more of an engaging or social environment so it'll be an incredibly concentrated
00:10:01.840 group of people who are devoted to these things to a free nation to liberty to challenging the
00:10:08.240 status quo to actually being active and not just a complainer so obviously i'm incredibly passionate
00:10:16.080 about this motivated and i'd love more people to realize how this is just a one-of-a-kind
00:10:21.760 opportunity and i'm again i'm putting my my heart into this and offering what i hope people will
00:10:29.120 see as a very unique opportunity or unique experience and my goal and aside from let's
00:10:34.800 say the number of numbers of people coming or buying tickets or what have you is that out of
00:10:39.600 it we get half a dozen or more organizations fresh organizations that will change the landscape
00:10:46.080 in Alberta it's very cool it's uh I I'm I'm remembering the uh the event you hosted earlier
00:10:54.040 uh just a couple months ago uh in Calgary uh at the Bourbon Room with uh with Keith Wilson and
00:10:59.440 Evan Chipiak and and that was a similar it sounds to me like it was a similar sort of format because
00:11:04.760 we had a couple you had a couple introductory speakers and that that concept of the you know
00:11:09.220 10 10 minutes ish and you know a few few comments after in a really tight-knit kind of room uh of
00:11:15.220 like-minded people like that worked really well we we were really struck actually because
00:11:19.040 as you remember you know we were filming it um yeah we were really struck by how clean it was
00:11:24.380 you know like it was it was such a some of these events um and you know like god bless any of these
00:11:29.440 guys who want to want to host events for for heterodox ideas uh and thinkers but some of them
00:11:34.640 can get a little bit long in the tooth and it's hard to you know a heart people can get stuck on
00:11:40.060 certain minutiae and it's hard to but the the way you have your structured with quick talks quick
00:11:45.920 comments and and rotating back into uh into more of a round table like that's it just works really
00:11:50.980 well and i guess maybe i'm just wondering how you um how is it organizing something like that you
00:11:56.500 know i can imagine it might be uh might be a tough sell for a for a senator from the u.s to
00:12:01.540 hey do you want to come up to calgary and talk for 10 minutes well it's it's interesting mike
00:12:07.240 great question because you can see why the event went dormant right so I'm reviving an event that
00:12:13.820 has been dormant for the last two years and so because the people were losing money right so
00:12:20.500 they were putting time in and making negative money it's a tough sell right in terms of getting
00:12:27.000 people to come you know we basically built you almost like it's like a ratchet you're going to
00:12:32.020 of build on what you've done before you kind of push up and fortunately and i don't know why this
00:12:38.580 is over my let's say more than 20 years promoting freedom as much as i can wherever i wherever it
00:12:46.020 lived i've built up a wonderful rapport with many people and that i really appreciate so
00:12:54.500 i am shocked at the the way they've come to the table to really support me in this venture so i
00:13:01.380 met the state senator from idaho i mean maybe 15 years ago at an event in salt lake city
00:13:08.260 and we just chatted and he had some opinions about 9 11 actually which were kind of fascinating
00:13:12.820 which were fascinating so he's actually an engineer by trade and so it was a fascinating
00:13:16.660 chat about about it with him and i thought this guy he's a bit of a free thinker here and
00:13:21.780 and so he remembered that so when we got back in touch even years later you know he was warm to me
00:13:28.660 And he said that he had actually used to live in Alberta and had friends in Lethbridge.
00:13:32.380 So he was going to come up and visit them.
00:13:34.720 And, but basically it was just putting in the work and it's easy for me because I believe
00:13:41.800 in it.
00:13:42.520 Right.
00:13:42.880 So it's not a tough sell from my perspective.
00:13:46.040 I'm saying all these five things I said to shared with you, I really believe in them.
00:13:51.300 And I hope people can see that, that I'm not faking it or there's no kind of like, I don't
00:13:56.200 know, performance here.
00:13:57.200 I believe in it. I'm invested in it. And there's some kind of, almost like a welcoming community
00:14:04.760 in that there's strength in numbers to some degree, because a lot of these people,
00:14:09.700 they're courageous, but they have been hung out to dry. And to be frank, I would like to invite
00:14:13.960 more. There's a guy, I think he's been on your show, Jim McMurtry. Have you had him on from BC?
00:14:18.920 We haven't had him on, but we're familiar with him. Yeah, for sure.
00:14:22.960 You know, he's been all over X lately. And so there's this, he's another one of these thought
00:14:27.820 criminals in Canada. And we kind of need, we need to rally around them to show them that they're
00:14:34.660 not alone because they're sticking their necks out, they're getting punished. And we're all the
00:14:40.000 beneficiaries of their courage because they're kind of taking the hit. And just today, I was
00:14:48.100 having lunch with a friend of mine who's helping me with this event. You'll know her, Benita
00:14:52.380 peterson and she was telling me about the case against her and it is just heartbreaking that
00:14:58.300 this lovely lady who just you know doesn't support a certain event or a certain um sign being put on
00:15:04.380 public property is going through a legal fight right and it's human rights yeah the quote-unquote
00:15:11.960 human rights tribune all of alberta which is really i should i don't know how much i can say
00:15:17.220 here but is almost an enemy it's perverted the term of natural rights or civil liberties
00:15:22.020 and so but we we've really come to a point where we are entering a very totalitarian or expansive
00:15:30.860 apparatus where obedience to the state is basically a new religion and it's scary how
00:15:39.260 far it is going when even your your friend just for saying something that maybe was a bit
00:15:44.420 politically incorrect is suddenly being
00:15:46.520 held before this thought police tribunal.
00:15:50.060 And these are existing
00:15:51.900 institutions in Alberta.
00:15:54.540 This is not necessarily
00:15:56.180 an Ottawa problem because
00:15:57.720 we've seen institutional
00:16:00.280 capture everywhere.
00:16:02.360 So this isn't just in Ottawa.
00:16:04.120 This isn't just in the States
00:16:06.220 or anywhere. It's in Alberta
00:16:08.180 in addition to all those other places
00:16:10.560 because they're running
00:16:12.400 the same playbook in a sense.
00:16:14.420 Yeah, I think the people who have a more postmodern and collectivist and in my view, tyrannical view or outlook, and maybe they're motivated by Marxism or class envy or whatever you want to call it, they have effectively captured institutions by almost playing a trick on us by relying on our goodwill or good values.
00:16:40.880 well they do not so we're fighting with one hand behind our backs to some degree and so it is true
00:16:48.640 that even within alberta although many canadians think with a super right-wing province whatever
00:16:53.840 it's it's really not true we have that element there but there's obviously a huge array of
00:16:58.800 people who are here as well and so and and they are heavily concentrated in government
00:17:07.120 institutions and basically govern institutions which are called education yeah or in the legal
00:17:13.840 system right so we are heavily present in the private sector and industry and they're
00:17:20.460 governing over us yeah it's it's kind of what you've you know you you were saying with the
00:17:28.500 the quote-unquote human rights tribunals they're almost they're uh it's a perversion of of the idea
00:17:33.500 of human rights really and and actually in the cities you know you know james james and i are
00:17:38.160 are city slickers ourselves and we see that you know the really the perverse incentives that that
00:17:44.300 draw certain a certain type of person that finds themselves in in government and in administration
00:17:50.040 and uh it's a very uh it's a very particular type of person we've we've talked with other people on
00:17:55.100 the show before about how like you know it seems that uh you know when you it's not necessarily a
00:18:01.180 left-right issue nowadays it kind of is but like a leftism versus a you know more of a independence
00:18:06.460 uh the type of person who has the mindset for independence the the the seems to be that the
00:18:12.780 left side of the political spectrum right now is exceptional at organizing and at overcome
00:18:18.800 overtaking institutions and exerting their influence within those institutions while the
00:18:24.460 people who are of the type of constitution to be um an independent supporter so maybe somebody in
00:18:30.860 the trades or somebody, a small business owner or something, just simply doesn't have the
00:18:36.540 time to organize like that because they're busy, you know, building businesses and providing
00:18:42.380 for their families and doing things that are just fundamentally incompatible with, you
00:18:48.400 know, focusing on the parasitic taking over of an institution.
00:18:54.200 Does that kind of make sense?
00:18:55.260 Does that comport sort of what you see?
00:18:57.920 Exactly.
00:18:58.440 I see the way public sector unions have taken over this province and are dominating the
00:19:05.660 discourse, the media, they're a mafia, they're organized crime.
00:19:11.040 And the way that they, for example, control access to and accreditation of teachers, that
00:19:20.320 is insane.
00:19:21.460 How can one organization have that much power over the minds of this province?
00:19:27.480 and whenever they don't like what the province is doing,
00:19:31.580 they just go out and strike.
00:19:33.940 And I remember I lived a year in Argentina.
00:19:38.020 There were strikes all the time.
00:19:39.120 It's kind of a symptom of a dysfunctional society
00:19:41.240 and how some groups have got too much power.
00:19:44.480 And when I lived in the south in Patagonia,
00:19:47.260 there were two fancy buildings in the town.
00:19:49.740 One was the parliament of the province
00:19:52.480 and one was the union building of the petroleum workers.
00:19:57.480 so i because people don't seem to realize maybe they do that if you work for government in many
00:20:06.560 of the sectors you cannot even get qualified for the job without joining the union and then you've
00:20:12.620 got to pay fees to them forever they are an there are further tax and they're one of these parasitic
00:20:19.180 entities that is just borrowed in and they are one of the chief enemies we face an enemy of freedom
00:20:26.620 of association, of free expression, and even the democratic process, really. Yeah, because
00:20:32.360 they have so much funding, experience, motivation. They depend on this, on the status quo. So
00:20:40.480 to me, one of the highest priorities of anyone promoting freedom in Alberta has to be to
00:20:46.840 make union membership voluntary. And that's an easy place to start. Like,
00:20:52.760 If you're going to pick one little win, that simple change gives a lot of power to individuals because then they're not kind of beholden to these mandatory dues or the weaponization of conformity of opinions.
00:21:10.400 You can't say this because from a professional body, and you kind of get this intermingling between unions and also accreditation organizations as well.
00:21:21.500 Yeah. Well, like I said, in the case of teachers, it's the same thing. They're the same organization. And one of the reasons why I left New Zealand years ago, because naturally I wanted to be a teacher, right? But it's so tough to, I don't know, function in that environment anymore. But they said, even if I were to go to university and take, I could take the classes in the School of Education, but I could not graduate unless I joined the teachers union.
00:21:47.900 and i said this is nuts i don't think people realize it's we have the same problem in new
00:21:54.160 zealand and so you can you can start charter schools but all the teachers have gone through
00:21:59.680 these these processes right so there's such tight regulation on education because the progressives
00:22:07.220 or i guess the post-modernists they have different names but the people who are basically enemies of
00:22:12.660 truth and liberty, they realize the power to shape young minds. So for example, if we had
00:22:20.400 25% or a great portion of Albertans being homeschooled or schooled in fully private
00:22:26.260 fashion, that would be just like a death blow to this collectivist mission.
00:22:34.740 Yeah, we actually just had a guest on the show. We haven't released any episodes yet as of this
00:22:39.840 recording uh who is a um she's a an instructor post-secondary instructor in calgary and uh and
00:22:46.620 she's noticed similar things you know she's it's she's in the in the communications and sort of
00:22:52.000 behavioral sciences so more of the the soft sciences um and she yeah she notices you know
00:22:59.620 there's a there's a huge uh uh disparity between you know if she has a class primarily of uh she
00:23:06.840 can tell right away if they're homeschooled kids or if they're uh you know from the from the middle
00:23:10.920 of a city or if they're from a from a rural area you know not homeschooled but from a rural area
00:23:15.620 like there's yeah there's tons of different mindsets and it really does you know anyone
00:23:19.700 can look at the um at the numbers you know used to sort of be a um kind of a joke that like oh
00:23:25.240 you were you know you were homeschooled was like an insult right and and now it's the homeschooled
00:23:30.700 kids are are outperforming the public school kids in almost every category oh 100 look
00:23:36.280 people don't seem to realize that government education is incredibly ineffective at actually
00:23:42.200 offering you know lessons or wisdom to children and children are natural learners that people
00:23:52.240 get young young people and myself included dislike school so much they almost have this resistance
00:23:58.640 to learning they want to resist the teachers and a lot of the natural curiosity is beaten down
00:24:06.340 the the problem is that people don't seem to they have this very angelic or nostalgic view of what
00:24:13.520 government is but if you see it as a mafia or a system of theft you realize that it is a system
00:24:19.820 of providing basically upper middle class lifestyles to teaching teachers and then they
00:24:25.920 get incredible pensions they retire early and then it provides free daycare to people who want to go
00:24:30.640 and don't want to take care of their children yeah and the learning is is almost irrelevant if you
00:24:35.540 look at the curriculum of most most topics i mean i was a teacher of economics in new zealand
00:24:40.460 the the materials are terrible and then the the people who do well on the tests are one who just
00:24:45.980 basically practiced last last year's exams and i used to i was horrified that parents would take so
00:24:51.160 much uh interest in the exam results and i thought these exams mean nothing why do you why are you
00:24:57.800 caring about this because as i was a graduate student in new zealand an economics teacher had
00:25:02.560 passed away at a local school so i got this kind of rare occasion where i could teach at the at the
00:25:06.880 school for a short period and i got to get a sense for what was actually going on even though i
00:25:13.560 hadn't gone through teachers college myself at the time and i it really i don't know it took the
00:25:19.520 shine off. Let's put it that way. And yeah, I think that really helps highlight the need for
00:25:27.640 developing parallel institutions. And I know we kind of touched on this briefly
00:25:34.660 before, but I think it can go one of two ways. So if you start some of these parallel institutions,
00:25:42.960 let it be some private schools or let it be alternative media or organizations to support
00:25:49.020 those who are engaged in those institutions. If you do that and it does well, either you'll have
00:25:58.140 the established institutions, they're forced to compete and reform and you might have them
00:26:04.680 adopting that system and you might bleed into the existing institutions and you might have
00:26:10.700 change that way. Or it might be so fundamentally broken that these parallel institutions through
00:26:18.120 just the good work and the good results are now dominating and now are becoming the primary
00:26:25.640 institutions and it's hard to say which way it might go but i i could see either depending on
00:26:33.960 on what factors there are yeah well your show the critical compass is a part of this shift right
00:26:42.280 you're basically part of this rising and basically unstoppable alternative media universe.
00:26:49.480 And it is true that the old style newspapers, they're both dying and they have tried to compete,
00:26:58.360 they've tried to adopt the new ways. But almost all of them have died or are dying and would be
00:27:07.880 dead if they didn't get subsidies right so they've shown that the rate of change has been so
00:27:14.520 swift they just cannot keep up now there are some exceptions like the wall street journal
00:27:19.640 would still still survives so there's some very very big outlets that have let's say the economies
00:27:26.040 of scale they can compete with the new new leaders but if you look at and i'm not even a big fan of
00:27:33.000 of this man but if you look at joe rogan's podcast he has a much bigger audience than cnn
00:27:38.620 right 20 years ago could you have imagined such a thing that a podcaster a one-man band who has
00:27:43.820 this kind of rough and ready podcast is beating thus you know cnn this huge organization yeah
00:27:51.420 it's crazy well and uh as you know i'm sure maybe i hope you don't come to regret it but you've been
00:27:59.020 so gracious enough to offer us a spot on a panel talking about new media at your event yeah well
00:28:05.440 i i'm excited for it i i hope it goes well i think it's going to be good um i wonder if you
00:28:10.660 might i'm my own audience mike i'm i i want to hear what you guys have to say
00:28:13.860 i wrote these titles with what would i like to learn about how to beat regime media okay get
00:28:20.740 the guys who are doing it yeah hey that's worth touching on because uh i i think we we've mentioned
00:28:27.560 before like we had a hit piece on us and we had like the prairies exposed and they were saying
00:28:33.020 that like we're part of who did the hit piece on critical compass uh prairies exposed the thing is
00:28:38.860 like i was a little disappointed it was basically a copy and paste of all these other hit pieces
00:28:44.500 like they weren't even that original um but i could tell it was like 90 ai slop and then you
00:28:51.920 You could tell when he started writing a more fierce competitor.
00:28:55.640 Well, we're part of this like shadowy foreign network or foreign funded network kind of like, well, we've been volunteering our time at these independence events.
00:29:05.160 But what it's showing me is that people can't comprehend a decentralized group of people with skills.
00:29:14.540 like if we film something and it looks kind of like a ted talk they assumed a like a large
00:29:23.620 organization had to have produced that or something of a certain scale and scope and
00:29:30.000 certain amount of funding is needed to output a quality like that rather than looking at
00:29:36.160 individuals with skills and having enough passion they and that's what breaks their brains and
00:29:42.460 And that's why they need to resort on a hit piece because they can't comprehend somebody for a cause for now, volunteering our time and getting that kind of an output.
00:29:53.780 Like, obviously, we want to do more paid events like independence.
00:29:57.960 Getting that momentum is more important than us being so restrictive on like only doing projects where we have a certain day rate for kind of services.
00:30:09.220 But it's something they can't wrap their mind around at this moment.
00:30:12.460 those yeah well in many ways these people are correct that a lot of the media they see is
00:30:20.940 centrally planned right it literally is funded from ottawa so they're they're taken aback when
00:30:26.240 there's this like you said grassroots or organic or emergent media and i hold the quality of the
00:30:33.820 critical compass work in high regard i mean obviously i'm really proud you guys are coming
00:30:36.760 to be a part of the event and i think you you bring in different perspectives that are valuable
00:30:42.140 but in the same time you're successful because there's demand right you're tapping into a
00:30:47.940 sentiment that really wants you to rise right so it's it's the quality is meeting the demand
00:30:52.940 and maybe because people just don't get out of regime media they just listen to their car radio
00:30:58.620 or watch regular tv or what have you or go to university and they don't they don't really
00:31:03.140 get into the broader terrain or don't go to rural areas they don't realize that the massive
00:31:09.820 scope or the sentiment, the incredibly powerful sentiment at play, that people feel very angry.
00:31:18.340 And one outlet is to kind of watch or partake. If you look at the comments on your videos,
00:31:23.300 it's incredible. Then you get a sense for the sentiment. Yeah. And I think part of it too,
00:31:30.820 related to that, is that these people who are either involved in old media or the consumers
00:31:39.420 who have only consumed old media are so in a bubble that they don't realize that you know
00:31:45.380 yeah i mean we you know we're producing good quality stuff and we have we have some skills
00:31:50.640 we have some good equipment and stuff but it's also like you know kind of anyone can do it if
00:31:55.700 you if you put in just a little bit of time you do a little bit of investment into a you know
00:31:59.400 quality equipment like it doesn't you know they it's not the old world anymore where you're gonna
00:32:04.780 to have like, oh, I have to call up my agent to book studio time to get like, no, like everyone
00:32:10.360 has access to this type of stuff now. So it's a new world, right?
00:32:14.800 It's funny, actually, the way like looking at our backgrounds, right? I'm just in an Airbnb here in
00:32:20.740 Calgary and you're just in your home studios. It's more authentic, right? It's more real,
00:32:26.440 right? It's not some AI slop or whatever. And people almost relate to this, the rawness of
00:32:33.040 of the material. And I compare it to, I don't know what sports you guys follow. I don't know
00:32:40.320 whether you're hockey fans or whatever, but I do follow rugby. And there's this just flowering,
00:32:47.500 let's say podcast universe. And it's amazing how just regular guys who like rugby, so long as they
00:32:54.960 do a show every week for a year, it becomes a professional thing. Yeah. Because the demand is
00:33:00.340 there right and so as you say you don't need fancy equipment it's more just that engagement that the
00:33:06.640 people like delivering ideas rather than the packaging that is that is mattering yeah
00:33:12.320 yeah that's a good point yeah i mean it's people are very good at like the average person uh even
00:33:20.700 if you're not you're not a particularly like uh introspective or or particularly empathetic or
00:33:25.780 type of person but people are very very good at detecting authenticity and sincerity and they're
00:33:30.860 also very good at detecting when they're being bullshit right i don't know sometimes you know
00:33:36.940 did you see this jason our day uh maybe we're biased suicide professor right this professor
00:33:43.700 in cambridge you must have heard the story right who committed suicide recently we're getting way
00:33:47.380 off topic here but i don't know that i know that the uh he he was outed for like did he lie like
00:33:54.520 Like there's a few things that way.
00:33:56.340 Gosh, I guess, yeah, I spent too much time on X and this was a big story on Twitter or X.
00:34:00.360 But basically there was a DEI hire at Cambridge University in the United Kingdom who was just an absolute liar, like just crazy, just lied so much and plagiarized everything.
00:34:13.880 And he, you know, plagiarized his PhD.
00:34:17.780 It was just absolutely insane.
00:34:19.540 and when he was found out people basically said oh you're picking on this black guy
00:34:25.700 even though of course he was a an absolutely outrageous liar and cheater and then in the end
00:34:31.240 he committed suicide okay but it's funny how because you can go back and see all these videos
00:34:37.320 of him doing interviews or presentations and how you can see he's making these outrageous lies
00:34:42.000 in his interviews and yet people don't don't call him out on it it's it's bizarre to me
00:34:48.180 Even though he would say, oh, when I was doing my PhD, which I did in two and a half years,
00:34:52.240 I had two children and I had a brain tumor and I was working a second job and everyone's
00:34:55.280 going, I'm thinking, none of this makes any sense.
00:34:58.060 You know, what are you talking about?
00:34:59.900 And, but they just let it go.
00:35:02.980 Yeah.
00:35:04.060 Maybe because noticing it or commenting on it publicly would be seen as a hate crime
00:35:10.500 or a thought crime.
00:35:12.180 Actually, Mike, let me, I really like this topic of this independent media, you know,
00:35:16.460 you guys have we've gotten on to somehow because i am seeing more and more people go to this russia
00:35:23.180 russia allegation or the usa funding allegation and this because it in my opinion these stories
00:35:31.820 have no legs they're they're from people who don't know what's going on here and haven't been to any
00:35:36.140 rallies no they don't they don't have a sense for the real sentiment at play and they say oh well
00:35:41.900 well these american outlets or russian outlets whatever get cover these events i'm going well
00:35:45.660 maybe because there's such there's such a readily available audience if you write about this you'll
00:35:50.540 get a huge audience so it kind of like makes sense if otto is just either bashing these people are
00:35:54.860 not covering it there's a there's a huge vacuum there for any other outlet to cover it but it
00:36:00.300 just shows that still uh the the regime or legacy media are powerful they really are still molding
00:36:09.900 minds unfortunately and i see them as anti-journalists but just i mean i even went to dinner
00:36:17.180 with my uncle and a bunch of his friends you know older friends so they're boomers
00:36:22.380 and you can just see all the kind like the ideas that have been put in their brains that oh there's
00:36:26.140 a lot of american money coming into this i'm going are you kidding me americans don't even
00:36:29.340 know where Alberta is it's just it's not on the not on the agenda they're dealing with
00:36:33.020 iran or ukraine or who knows what yeah and and like regime media is essentially it's pushing
00:36:42.620 something through and there's a kernel of truth so in the example of russia they'll say we we saw
00:36:51.340 amplification from russian outlets so like the headlines one thing the actual body they are
00:36:57.180 talking about well these researchers they looked and they found that russian outlets were amplifying
00:37:03.580 this and they're drawing a conclusion based on that but essentially they've got the directionality
00:37:09.820 like the cause and effect inversed uh so what is more likely that like these russian outlets are
00:37:19.340 they are like influencing albertans to be discontent with ottawa and then like now
00:37:24.300 albertans want independence because of the seed that got planted by these russians
00:37:30.300 or maybe ottawa is just doing its thing confederations somewhat broken we have years of
00:37:36.860 canada in decline and now albertans are recognizing this and then from there the movement grows and
00:37:45.100 then people want to capitalize and ride the wave and get hits and get likes and that's at the very
00:37:53.740 tail end of causation so i i don't think they are influencing the way that the like albertans are
00:38:00.620 thinking but they are sharing a message and getting hits like and the other thing is like who's who's
00:38:08.300 consuming this russian media like are albertans sitting here like instead of watching our podcast
00:38:15.340 or any of the number of albertan media that like like alternative media that's popped up people
00:38:23.020 really like watching a Russian outlet? Like, that's the biggest thing that I find hard enough
00:38:29.220 to, like, it's really hard to believe. Gentlemen, we spoke maybe, was it six months
00:38:35.800 ago? I cannot remember, but, or not, maybe three or four months ago, but I don't remember
00:38:41.300 whether that disinfo watch report had came out, this one that got huge coverage. There
00:38:46.440 was, there was, there was a prominent think tank report from Ottawa alleging both US and
00:38:52.060 russian influence in the alberta independence movement and the i read that report and it was
00:39:00.820 just so i'm trying to use clean language with you so lacking in rigor you don't have to yeah and so
00:39:07.820 this this report i just cannot believe it there were grammatical and written errors in the report
00:39:16.820 and there was one real just delicious mistake where basically he was mocking someone about
00:39:25.540 a mistake but in his mocking he made a mistake of his own you know and so yeah he basically he was
00:39:32.340 mocking oh this guy didn't calculate it correctly but he was the one who totally missed it i'm going
00:39:36.500 is there no peer review here what is going on because there was a there was literally a report
00:39:42.100 from the university of calgary that said that alberta alberta families pay about twenty thousand
00:39:46.180 dollars each they lose about twenty thousand on net every year to equalization or redistribution
00:39:51.300 to the products right about twenty thousand and the author of the disinfo watch report it said
00:39:56.900 oh no this is this is an a cumulative number it's not per year and then you could go to the report
00:40:02.340 and see it was it was per year i'm going why are you mocking someone who got it right what are you
00:40:07.860 doing and how did this get through and so like i said the shocking thing is that this absolute
00:40:14.340 trash report was covered all over the world i mean this went viral and as you say just these the
00:40:22.020 headline and also they they mentioned the the russian interference there was a website called
00:40:27.540 albertaseparatist.org or.com that had basically not no one even knew about it no one had shared
00:40:33.780 it. I went on X and looked and there were, I think, two links from this website in total.
00:40:39.380 And this was the basis of their report of Russian defense. What is this the best you've got? This
00:40:43.620 is pathetic. And then they, so I could go on, but this report just drove me crazy. I'm going,
00:40:49.540 this is quote unquote disinfo watch. I mean, what are you doing? You are totally confusing people.
00:40:57.220 Yeah. There's almost like there's nothing new under the sun, right? I mean, it seems like
00:41:01.060 in the west we've been you know any anyone who has just even a cursory knowledge of the
00:41:06.020 uh you know post-world war ii uh you know west versus east sort of uh relationship you know oh
00:41:15.300 there's there's some social unrest in your country blame the other one and the russians do the same
00:41:21.220 for us and it's like yeah guys like this is when when are we gonna like when will this stop working
00:41:26.820 well this is where i've i've been thinking more and more about the this the anti-us sentiment
00:41:35.700 across canada and how it is it's very crippling to our progress because it's just the ever ready
00:41:44.820 scapegoat and i mean of course the elbows up campaign where my assumption is that mark carney
00:41:53.520 donald trump are probably actually decent friends behind the scenes but they have to pretend that
00:41:57.440 they're enemies you know and so and and of course as i said the truth is that especially between
00:42:05.360 alberta and montana it's almost indistinguishable the culture like it's basically the same
00:42:11.040 why would we have such a resentment or animosity towards them and in this case right now obviously
00:42:16.800 this whole supply management thing has come up again we basically need the americans to pressure
00:42:22.560 us to end this stupidity because we need an external force that can like get this stupid
00:42:28.220 cartel out of the way. I smuggled in butter from Ireland and New Zealand with me as I
00:42:33.720 came across the border because I want real butter and not the Canadian crap, you know?
00:42:37.880 Anyway.
00:42:39.920 We'll edit that out. We don't want the feds coming down on Fergus here.
00:42:44.440 Yeah. I did hear somebody mentioned like you can tell how broken Canada is where the
00:42:50.620 punishment for obtaining raw milk is higher than fentanyl for like raw milk consumption in public
00:42:59.580 risks a greater fine than fentanyl use in public so yeah so that's that's why i i do think the the
00:43:07.740 mafia analogy becomes relevant at that point it's it's basically people protecting their turf it's
00:43:14.220 like a turf war yeah and how dare you undercut us or provide better product or produce within our
00:43:21.180 terrain you know we have a we have a monopoly here we are the we're the mob in this region
00:43:26.860 and it's just shrouded in all this all this um pretty language and it's just so sad because i
00:43:34.780 My guess is someone like Pierre Pulevra, he realizes this is a Soviet-style economic approach or policy,
00:43:45.060 but he just feels like he has no choice if he's going to pander to his special interests or donors or what have you.
00:43:52.500 Yeah.
00:43:53.920 Yeah, I remember seeing just the laziest propaganda video, but I don't know who was producing it,
00:44:01.120 about, um, supply management with respect to, uh, to, to, to the dairy industry.
00:44:06.700 And it was, uh, it was these two women, you know, standing in a, in obviously in a dairy,
00:44:12.220 I don't know if you guys saw this, but one was like pouring out milk from a, from a container
00:44:16.400 and the other one held like a full container of milk.
00:44:19.140 And the one who was pouring the milk out onto the ground had the caption like capitalism
00:44:25.660 or something underneath it.
00:44:27.420 And then the, and then the one that had the full milk and it was happy, had the supply
00:44:32.260 management milk underneath.
00:44:33.840 And it's like, that is 100% literally the opposite case, because we already know from
00:44:39.180 our farmers, from our dairy farmers who literally have shown videos of them having to pour their
00:44:43.860 milk down, like hundreds and hundreds of liters of milk, because they can't sell it.
00:44:47.860 And it's, it's just such a dystopia.
00:44:50.340 And like, just to see that if you even have the little, littlest bit of, um, of info of
00:44:54.880 supply management is it's like you've just you've inverted reality it's just shameless yeah well it
00:45:01.840 just shows the strength of status quo bias and the way the politicians can have you look at one thing
00:45:09.120 and not in another it's almost like a magic trick right so we're going oh we're helping the farmers
00:45:13.920 but they never mention oh well we're paying twice the price of 40 more for butter or milk or whatever
00:45:19.200 the heck it is and we have a much narrower range right you can go to guatemala and get better you
00:45:24.080 know these very developing countries and get better quality products cheaper in this domain
00:45:28.720 and so i don't know how we got onto this topic but yeah so so i am concerned that the the anti-us
00:45:36.000 sentiment when really they're our closest neighbors is such a distraction why don't we have
00:45:41.840 concern about china i mean that to me is a heck of a lot more threatening than the americans but
00:45:46.960 you know yeah well i mean i guess if all that takes is a few uh trader mps in uh in parliament
00:45:55.120 uh literally working for china to you know quiet down that conversation maybe a couple
00:46:00.480 a couple chinese satellite police stations in in the country too that'll that'll quiet that
00:46:05.200 conversation too well anyway one yeah one lady i really admire is lily tang williams she's running
00:46:13.280 for congress in new hampshire right now and she's in exile from uh china and this is where people
00:46:21.520 you know someone like her can never go back right you know there's you know i had someone was trying
00:46:27.200 to basically defend fidel castro to me and it there's an incredible like like i said this this
00:46:33.760 anti-american sentiment just allows all manner of sins so long as you're anti-american too
00:46:39.600 and i find that kind of pigeonhole thinking scary yeah well i mean i'll never forgive
00:46:48.780 fidel castro for fathering justin trudeau so that's you know he'll he's all he's dead to me
00:46:54.260 for that but uh anyway fergus hey um maybe can you can you give our listeners a little bit of a
00:47:00.460 for the event coming up here on september 11th and 12th are you at liberty to to drop any names
00:47:07.420 of uh of who some of the the speakers will be that maybe people don't know yet yeah so we have
00:47:15.820 about 25 speakers so forgive me if i don't remember them all but we have uh bruce party
00:47:23.740 uh cory morgan amy ham francis widdowson uh lorraine moller we've got we've got uh we've
00:47:32.060 i mean basically the idea is like i said building the free nation of people
00:47:36.860 so we we have yes the most pro-liberty state senator or state representative
00:47:41.580 across the united states we have someone from the uh free cities foundation which is looking at uh
00:47:50.460 basically micro states we i mean i'm trying to think we've got all manner of basically empowerment
00:47:56.380 we've got jim ostrovsky he's giving the keynote speech it is uh gun rights come first is the
00:48:02.540 title of that one and he's got a new book out about how government basically takes 80 of the
00:48:07.260 economy which doesn't surprise me but anyways so we've we've got so jim ostrovsky is is the keynote
00:48:15.420 he's an incredibly well-established pro-liberty author and we also have a paleo blogger called
00:48:23.900 called the Diabetes Warrior, Steve Cooksey.
00:48:25.640 He's just got a book out.
00:48:27.080 It's called Starve the Machine about basically by being healthy,
00:48:30.940 you won't feed the medical cartel.
00:48:34.840 So like I said, the theme is building resilience, empowerment,
00:48:41.500 freedom from the ground up.
00:48:43.780 And we have all manner of speakers.
00:48:47.680 We've got Paz Gomez, my colleague, coming all the way from Ecuador.
00:48:51.000 she'll be on a panel about economic opportunities of the of the rising nation she'll also we're
00:48:56.600 still arranging this but be one of the round tables about how to get started with cryptocurrencies so
00:49:02.040 uh very practical i've got my multimedia man coming from portugal i mean i can't like there
00:49:09.400 it's all over so basically i mean we've got uh if you want to go to the vip dinner tamara leach
00:49:14.600 is the guest of honor in on the saturday evening we've got the screening of silencing detective
00:49:19.000 Bruce. Helen Bruce will be there for Q&A. I've packed every person as I possibly can within
00:49:25.000 like a 12-hour timeframe or whatever it is. If I've missed somebody, I don't know. We've got
00:49:35.600 Michael Wagner. I'm sure he's been on your show. I mean, great, great man. We've got-
00:49:42.300 Brett Oland as well.
00:49:43.900 Brett Olin is on the economy panel, capitalized on the new economy.
00:49:48.300 I will be there speaking if you want to meet me.
00:49:53.580 And then we've, let me think, we've got Michael Harris,
00:50:00.140 deputy leader of the Libertarian Party.
00:50:02.020 He's just joined because I'm trying to bring in a bit more youth.
00:50:05.580 He's still only about 21, 22, as far as I know.
00:50:08.760 And we've got, actually this, I should mention this.
00:50:11.820 We have the two most pro-liberty Alberta legislators of the last generation, Drew Barnes and Rick Strankman.
00:50:21.880 They'll be on the Win It Retail Politics panel because, yes, we want to build free people, build the right demographics.
00:50:29.760 We want to have a great aristocracy, but then we've got to channel that, make us a force to be reckoned with in the actual retail politics domain once we've built that foundation.
00:50:39.340 and these gentlemen have done it and they've got real sober no no hyped you know sage wisdom on
00:50:46.300 how you know because both of them had real challenges because they were fighting for change
00:50:49.940 so I mean to me though all these great people the best thing about is that you come and chat with
00:50:57.320 them in the breakouts because this is the challenge I mean I went to a conference recently
00:51:02.080 this is for a sporting conference about running and so you'll have a group up on the front and
00:51:07.860 And then one person will ask a question that he wants to learn about, right?
00:51:11.900 And then everyone's got to listen to that question.
00:51:13.400 Well, why don't we break up into groups and we can ask many more questions that are targeted
00:51:17.120 to our interests.
00:51:18.120 So, there'll be short speeches and panels and then half-hour breakout sessions with
00:51:24.100 four different tables on different topics.
00:51:26.100 So, you could go to that table and have a discussion.
00:51:29.980 I think the key here is that if you want out of the box or more radical, like I said,
00:51:37.680 thinking, this is the place to be where we're not just going along and then go back and watching
00:51:43.060 television, really building new organizations, momentum, and turning ideas into action. Because
00:51:49.400 I've been in this game for more than 20 years, right? I'm 43, mate. So when I was a college
00:51:55.360 student, I got into, I learned about individual freedom and got into this. And I just don't want
00:52:02.600 us to be observers i don't want to be just an observer if we want and the challenge is too
00:52:09.080 that in that time in my adult life it it's it seems clear that the surveillance state has become
00:52:17.180 much more sophisticated obviously culminating the whole covid lockdown crisis we're basically
00:52:22.480 locked in our homes for years which is unthinkable really would have been unthinkable a generation
00:52:28.140 earlier yeah yeah yeah that's uh man i i can't tell you how much i'm looking forward to it
00:52:36.060 james james do you have anything else that you want to ask fergus or otherwise i think i'm just
00:52:40.120 gonna ask him to to uh to plug to plug some socials i can plug some more but i mean the
00:52:46.360 thing is that i also i mean it is 200 canadian and it's actually 225 now i think from tomorrow
00:52:52.640 it's 225 so get in uh i i can't remember do we have a critical compass is a critical compass 10
00:53:00.940 is that the discount code you can use fergus fergus 10 or critical compass 10 we've got
00:53:05.780 discount codes on your social media yeah and so but the thing is that includes uh refreshments
00:53:12.800 i always i i don't drink tap water and i drink from glass as much as i can so i don't get plastic
00:53:17.640 in my you know i don't get these endocrine disruptors in my system so we'll have water
00:53:22.040 from glass bottles we'll have a healthy uh great lunch i've got the the broadest buffet this this
00:53:28.280 venue offers and we so it's more of a like to me it's almost like a festival or a special occasion
00:53:35.080 and and to be enjoyed everyone gets a drink ticket i want people to enjoy themselves so
00:53:40.840 to me it's a bargain i hope people jump on it and come to come to the party i can confirm that the
00:53:47.080 if it's the same bottled water that we had
00:53:49.440 at the Calgary event, it is choice.
00:53:51.480 Did you take some of that home with you?
00:53:53.160 I should have. It was all gone
00:53:55.520 by the end. There's like three bottles under
00:53:57.440 his shirt. You know what was funny? At the Calgary
00:53:59.680 event, we had all this food, but then
00:54:01.540 people were kind of confused as to what they could
00:54:03.500 eat, and there were all these little tater tots left. I was
00:54:05.500 going, this is a tragedy. I love tater. I love
00:54:07.460 those potatoes.
00:54:09.660 For reference to our listeners,
00:54:11.480 our 10% off code is
00:54:13.200 CCPODCAST10.
00:54:15.560 all one word all caps and so thank you for uh for extending that to uh to our listeners fergus
00:54:20.780 yeah so get the 10 off and i hope people come and have a great time we'll also have
00:54:26.260 about i'm trying to think now about 12 exhibitors or booths so we have bow valley credit union we've
00:54:34.820 got alberta woman for independence my own organization will have a booth there econ
00:54:39.020 america so if you want to get financial newsletters education economic analysis
00:54:43.660 there's going to be seraphine books there's going to be unscrew the news selling all this alberta
00:54:48.860 merchandise uh jason levine will be there he will be selling all his book and i mean
00:54:55.420 so there'll be like so the the it's a it's an l shape where you walk in and there are all these
00:55:00.140 booths and tables and then and then the lecture hall so it's kind of like a spectrum where if you
00:55:05.020 want to be just talking with the exhibitors you can do that and if you want to go around the
00:55:07.820 corner you can hear the lectures so come and get your better material i'm i was just there today
00:55:14.060 i mean we're going through the details of decorating this place and trying to make it as pristine as
00:55:17.900 possible and slick so everyone can just enjoy and just everything can hum run smoothly well i'm
00:55:24.460 excited it's a great mix of people then also what i find with these kind of events the within the
00:55:31.100 attendees there's some very noticeable faces and it's also a chance to say hi have these
00:55:37.580 conversations as well people that maybe you've seen on different shows or podcasts or like with
00:55:45.500 in different speaking engagements um this is also a chance to stumble upon some of those and
00:55:51.740 you never know who you'll meet as well well you know and many people are near and dear to me like
00:55:57.180 Like I said, Paz Gomez coming from Ecuador, Sebastian Diaz coming from Portugal.
00:56:01.580 We've got Maylene Salabaria, Cuban Exile coming from Cheyenne, Wyoming.
00:56:07.960 You know, we're probably going to have some TPUSA students coming.
00:56:11.140 I'm going to have some students from the University of Calgary.
00:56:14.880 So if you want to learn about Cuba, go to the source.
00:56:17.880 I mean, recently, and if people look into it, you'll see that so much thought has gone into choosing these people for a particular purpose.
00:56:27.180 We have a four-time Olympic marathon runner, Lorraine Moller, one of my personal heroes
00:56:31.920 as a child.
00:56:33.080 She's got a new book about basically the psychology of elite athletes.
00:56:37.300 So we want to have that kind of resilience, that toughness they have.
00:56:40.940 I think it's incredible.
00:56:42.320 You know, you're basically meeting history.
00:56:45.660 She's been, I don't think she's been, what do you call it, damed?
00:56:48.860 I'm not sure.
00:56:49.460 She's not been made a dame within the British Empire or whatever, but one of the other orders
00:56:53.720 of New Zealand recently.
00:56:54.880 so uh that like you said it's meeting these people up in person and i think because often
00:57:04.140 they have a personality that goes beyond their social media or presence also in the case of the
00:57:09.460 the senator or state senator from idaho he is introducing what i call the freedom caucus
00:57:16.340 strategy and so again he's he can give wisdom on how to project the new aristocracy and the
00:57:23.440 demographics into the political world and also reflect the challenges because even in a place
00:57:28.480 like idaho you've got this crony uh chamber of commerce class who get it gets stuck in there and
00:57:33.600 will fight you anyway yeah awesome fergus where can people find you online sir well the website
00:57:42.080 for the event is capitalismandmorality.com that's what i really would love people to go to but in
00:57:47.200 in terms of finding me i'm most active on x and substack so at ferg hodgson and at fergus hodgson
00:57:55.440 on substack and just easy to find me my name is so rare fortunately that it's easy to find me
00:58:01.440 and i'd love to engage uh follow my alberta and canada freedom list on x there's so much
00:58:09.760 good content there uh econ americas econamericas.subset.com for the the monthly newsletter
00:58:17.040 on finance and you know financial empowerment in this region of the world awesome awesome thank you
00:58:24.240 very much i appreciate you having uh you having you on the show again you're always a wealth of
00:58:30.160 knowledge we're excited to learn even more from you uh in a couple weeks here and we'll we'll
00:58:34.640 shove this out as much as we can get you as many ticket sales as we can and uh yeah we're looking
00:58:39.920 forward to it thanks again thank you mike and james and thank you to all the listeners i hope
00:58:45.040 i get to see you in calgary in just a few weeks cheers cheers cheers
00:59:04.640 Thank you.