The Culture War - Tim Pool - July 08, 2025


Alex Jones BREAKS DOWN In Tears Over Trump Epstein COVER UP ft. Mike Cernovich


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37 minutes

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188.40501

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7,013

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520

Misogynist Sentences

3

Hate Speech Sentences

11


Summary

Alex Jones breaks down in tears while condemning Trump over the Epstein cover-up. Conspiracy theorists speculate that Epstein was working with Mossad and MI6. Mike Cernovich, who helped expose all of this, joins me to give his thoughts.


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00:00:59.920 Alex Jones breaks down in tears while condemning Trump over the Epstein cover-up.
00:01:07.040 Saying, they report, conspiracy theorist Alex Jones broke down in tears
00:01:13.180 in a video of himself reacting to the Trump admin memo about Jeffrey Epstein.
00:01:16.960 There was no credible evidence found that Epstein blackmailed prominent individuals as part of his actions.
00:01:21.000 Jones began his reaction video by speculating,
00:01:24.740 The reason that you are seeing this deep sixth is because the CIA with the Mossad and MI6 was running Epstein,
00:01:31.860 and it was an official U.S. government operation, multinational.
00:01:36.060 This appears to be the common opinion of many individuals.
00:01:41.260 Epstein was working with Mossad,
00:01:44.140 allowing the West great control of prominent political and business leaders.
00:01:48.200 And now that they've taken the power themselves,
00:01:51.940 they're like,
00:01:52.620 we don't want to upset the power that we've gained.
00:01:57.280 Basically, they have the one ring,
00:01:58.500 and they could expose all these people,
00:02:00.380 but it was an intelligence operation,
00:02:01.800 so why give it up?
00:02:04.400 Tucker Carlson says,
00:02:05.580 there's two reasons.
00:02:07.500 Maybe,
00:02:08.540 Donald Trump is implicated.
00:02:10.680 He's on the list.
00:02:11.720 But he says,
00:02:12.100 I don't believe that for two reasons.
00:02:13.340 I talked to Trump about it,
00:02:14.380 and Trump isn't into this kind of stuff.
00:02:17.240 Also,
00:02:17.940 wouldn't the Democrats have released all that?
00:02:19.520 That's a fair point.
00:02:20.880 He says,
00:02:21.480 however,
00:02:22.660 he does have another theory,
00:02:24.780 and that's CIA officers were blackmailed and implicated in the Epstein case,
00:02:29.920 that prominent intel agency individuals in the U.S.
00:02:34.120 were engaged in child abuse with Epstein.
00:02:37.340 And thus,
00:02:38.480 they don't want to expose our own apparatus.
00:02:41.120 But who are these CIA officials or agents?
00:02:43.920 Perhaps it really means that high-ranking U.S. officials would be implicated
00:02:48.260 if they released this,
00:02:50.120 so they won't.
00:02:51.920 Maybe.
00:02:52.960 But, my friends,
00:02:54.700 to get a better understanding of what's going on,
00:02:56.580 we're going to be joined by Mike Cernovich,
00:02:58.980 who helped expose all of this.
00:03:02.480 He is the reason.
00:03:04.180 I'd like to actually have you hear from him directly
00:03:06.800 on his thoughts about all of this.
00:03:08.600 So, we're pulling in Mike right now.
00:03:11.920 It is loading up.
00:03:13.500 Mike, can you hear me?
00:03:15.220 Yes, sir.
00:03:16.080 Thank you for joining me.
00:03:18.020 It's an honor to have you.
00:03:19.860 My pleasure.
00:03:20.900 So, I was just explaining,
00:03:22.220 for a lot of people,
00:03:22.680 I think most people do know,
00:03:23.780 but some may not,
00:03:24.740 it was your initial lawsuit
00:03:26.340 that triggered the release of all of this
00:03:29.440 and where we are today in the Epstein story.
00:03:31.440 Am I wrong about that?
00:03:33.280 No, that's exactly correct.
00:03:34.720 Yeah.
00:03:35.220 Exactly correct.
00:03:35.940 Do you want to just give us a real quick overview
00:03:37.520 of how that started?
00:03:40.400 Yeah, there was a civil lawsuit
00:03:42.160 brought against Ghislaine Maxwell
00:03:44.340 by Virginia Gouffre,
00:03:47.260 and that lawsuit had been completely under seal.
00:03:50.800 All the documents were sealed.
00:03:52.820 And because it was impossible to get
00:03:54.840 any documents from the previous criminal Epstein case,
00:03:58.560 we were able to file a motion to intervene
00:04:00.760 and unseal the records in the civil case.
00:04:04.160 And, of course, the Miami Herald joined that lawsuit.
00:04:08.040 And because of that,
00:04:09.860 there was a real sense that the case file
00:04:13.800 and Epstein would become public.
00:04:15.860 And then the government, the deep state, SDNY,
00:04:19.020 the regime,
00:04:19.600 they had to figure out a way to mop it up, essentially.
00:04:22.720 Wow.
00:04:23.360 Okay.
00:04:24.180 So, throughout the past several years,
00:04:26.660 there have been comments from victims,
00:04:29.620 numerous victims,
00:04:30.500 about the trafficking.
00:04:31.460 A photo of Prince Andrew himself,
00:04:34.400 flight logs,
00:04:35.300 and questions about who was working with Epstein,
00:04:38.660 who was facilitating this trafficking,
00:04:40.880 helping him do it,
00:04:42.040 and who was he trafficking these children to.
00:04:45.620 But now we have this memo,
00:04:47.160 unsigned,
00:04:48.300 on the DOJ's website,
00:04:50.280 saying that there's nothing that would predicate
00:04:52.160 criminal charges against third parties.
00:04:55.560 There is no client list.
00:04:57.120 What do you think is going on?
00:05:00.100 And what's the truth with that stuff?
00:05:03.580 The truth is definitely impossible to ascertain at this point.
00:05:08.080 What I believe happened
00:05:09.180 is that when the original Epstein criminal indictment happened,
00:05:14.000 the raids were conducted in such a way
00:05:17.300 as to give people time to mop up the operation.
00:05:20.280 So, I sent a couple tweets to Elizabeth about,
00:05:23.880 from 2019,
00:05:25.120 where I was documenting in real time,
00:05:26.700 that way people know that I'm not
00:05:27.780 Monday morning quarterbacking all this stuff.
00:05:30.940 What I noticed in the Epstein criminal case was,
00:05:33.920 one,
00:05:34.780 he had only been arrested
00:05:36.180 after the Court of Appeals
00:05:37.800 made it clear that the civil case files
00:05:40.920 that we talked about a minute ago
00:05:42.120 were going to be unsealed.
00:05:43.420 They realized,
00:05:44.240 okay,
00:05:44.500 cat's out of the bag.
00:05:45.740 We can't do nothing.
00:05:46.880 We have to do something.
00:05:47.780 So, then they arrested him
00:05:49.540 as he was returning from Paris.
00:05:51.880 And if you read the indictment closely,
00:05:53.880 you'll see that they charged him
00:05:56.280 with the minimal amount of criminal conduct
00:05:58.760 that they possibly could.
00:06:00.600 And because of that,
00:06:01.760 they claimed that they could only raid
00:06:04.220 the New York property.
00:06:05.520 So, for those at home,
00:06:06.620 it's hard for me to keep track of this too.
00:06:08.560 And you can correct me, Tim,
00:06:09.460 because I'll probably leave one out.
00:06:11.900 There was,
00:06:12.580 Epstein had a house in New Mexico
00:06:14.160 that nobody ever talks about.
00:06:15.680 He had a house in West Palm Beach
00:06:17.800 that a lot of people know about,
00:06:19.840 but most people know about
00:06:20.680 the New York mansion.
00:06:22.100 He had the place in Paris
00:06:23.340 and he had the island.
00:06:26.020 Maybe he had another one or two
00:06:27.480 that I'm forgetting about,
00:06:28.260 but these are public ones.
00:06:29.840 There's no indication
00:06:30.960 that the Paris property was ever raided,
00:06:32.980 even though he was arrested
00:06:34.220 on his way back from Paris.
00:06:36.960 So, wait a minute.
00:06:37.800 You're leaving Paris
00:06:39.420 and you're arrested in New York,
00:06:41.020 but you're not going to send a team
00:06:42.740 to the Paris property.
00:06:44.500 That's interesting.
00:06:45.680 They searched his New York property,
00:06:48.900 but then a number of people said,
00:06:50.020 well, why didn't you search
00:06:51.260 the West Palm Beach property?
00:06:52.740 They didn't ask about the New Mexico one,
00:06:54.780 which is interesting.
00:06:55.700 Either they didn't know
00:06:56.720 or there was a controlled hangout
00:06:59.240 or limited hangout situation.
00:07:01.620 The SDNY says,
00:07:04.760 we didn't have jurisdiction
00:07:05.880 to search the other properties.
00:07:08.020 We only searched the New York one
00:07:09.300 because that was where Epstein
00:07:10.240 received the massages.
00:07:11.280 Also, even though Ghislaine Maxwell
00:07:13.680 was later indicted
00:07:15.000 and convicted,
00:07:17.340 she was not indicted
00:07:18.880 when Epstein was indicted.
00:07:20.340 It wasn't a conspiracy
00:07:21.840 against Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell,
00:07:23.660 even though everybody knew
00:07:24.820 that Ghislaine was involved.
00:07:26.560 It was only Epstein.
00:07:28.260 It was only the New York property.
00:07:30.120 So then what happened?
00:07:31.720 Well, the Florida property,
00:07:34.380 the New Mexico property,
00:07:35.440 the Paris property,
00:07:36.460 and the island
00:07:37.260 were left unattended.
00:07:38.400 And there were a lot of reports
00:07:39.620 about people seeing boats
00:07:40.660 going in to the Florida property
00:07:42.720 because a lot of independent journalists
00:07:44.340 went down there.
00:07:46.440 They saw boats going in there.
00:07:48.520 There were all these old stories
00:07:49.840 that you can read about
00:07:50.580 how there was a vault
00:07:51.440 in the island property.
00:07:54.180 Nobody knows where that vault is.
00:07:56.380 So in my opinion,
00:07:57.540 and this is what I said
00:07:58.440 at the time of the indictment,
00:08:00.440 what happened was that
00:08:01.860 the New York prosecutors,
00:08:04.920 SDNY,
00:08:05.580 the Department of Justice
00:08:06.500 under Bill Barr,
00:08:08.160 realized,
00:08:08.840 okay,
00:08:09.420 the Miami Herald
00:08:10.180 is going to get these files.
00:08:12.340 Cernovich,
00:08:12.720 we can call him a crank.
00:08:14.080 You know,
00:08:14.300 who cares?
00:08:15.400 But now Miami Herald's in on it.
00:08:17.180 What are we going to do?
00:08:17.780 We got to do something.
00:08:18.660 Okay.
00:08:19.340 Oh, the files are going to come out
00:08:20.500 on Monday.
00:08:21.600 So if the timing of it was,
00:08:22.860 I remember it so well
00:08:23.780 because I was hanging out at home,
00:08:25.180 I believe on a Sunday,
00:08:26.580 relaxing.
00:08:27.220 My phone is like,
00:08:27.980 boom.
00:08:29.820 They're arrested Epstein.
00:08:31.240 You know,
00:08:31.720 this is right after we knew
00:08:32.640 the files were going to make me public.
00:08:34.120 So I'm like rushing.
00:08:35.400 That was back when I was still
00:08:36.460 doing live streaming and whatnot.
00:08:37.720 And I rushed to talk about it.
00:08:40.020 And I go,
00:08:41.620 wait a minute,
00:08:42.080 let me,
00:08:42.640 and then I went to New York
00:08:43.600 to cover the hearing.
00:08:45.040 And I go,
00:08:45.540 wait a minute.
00:08:47.000 Why?
00:08:47.500 Look at what wasn't charged.
00:08:49.760 Why did they not charge the lane
00:08:51.720 at the time they charged Epstein?
00:08:53.400 Why did they not charge him
00:08:54.640 for all the conduct?
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00:10:03.100 It took place in the island,
00:10:04.880 the West Palm Beach,
00:10:06.180 the New Mexico property.
00:10:07.500 I go,
00:10:07.680 oh, I know what they're doing.
00:10:09.060 They're going to hit him
00:10:10.400 with the minimum
00:10:11.060 that they can do,
00:10:12.880 knowing that most people
00:10:13.820 won't look behind the headlines,
00:10:16.020 knowing that if you actually
00:10:17.120 read the indictment
00:10:17.880 against Epstein,
00:10:18.540 it says he paid girls
00:10:20.840 for massages underage.
00:10:22.200 That's a crime.
00:10:22.740 I don't want anybody
00:10:23.360 to say I'm not.
00:10:24.280 This is a crime, right?
00:10:25.960 But compared to what
00:10:27.180 he had done
00:10:28.060 and was part of,
00:10:30.300 that's minimal.
00:10:32.000 And then they go,
00:10:32.720 well, we can't wink,
00:10:33.820 wink, nod, nod,
00:10:34.640 look at these other properties
00:10:35.780 because we don't have jurisdiction.
00:10:38.500 Even though SDNY
00:10:39.920 indicted Steve Bannon
00:10:41.140 for the El Paso
00:10:42.920 rebuild the wall,
00:10:44.140 somehow the SDNY says
00:10:45.480 we don't have jurisdiction
00:10:46.680 over the whole world.
00:10:47.740 Everybody who's a lawyer
00:10:48.580 will tell you
00:10:48.960 that's crazy.
00:10:50.560 So what I think
00:10:51.300 has happened,
00:10:52.040 but Bongino and Cash,
00:10:53.520 this is where I think
00:10:54.180 they're right and they're wrong.
00:10:56.260 I think that they're right
00:10:57.760 that they don't know
00:10:59.040 where the documents are,
00:11:00.180 the files are,
00:11:01.100 and that there may be,
00:11:01.840 maybe there really is nothing.
00:11:04.300 But what they don't want to say,
00:11:05.720 and this is what I think
00:11:06.500 people need to push back on,
00:11:08.640 is there would be
00:11:10.020 a chain of custody
00:11:10.960 for everything that happened.
00:11:13.420 Who, who, who?
00:11:14.520 I need the FBI agents' names.
00:11:16.760 I don't want an unsigned memo.
00:11:18.500 I want to know.
00:11:19.780 I do know during the raid
00:11:21.160 of the New York property,
00:11:22.000 they did find a bunch of CDRs.
00:11:24.060 Somebody had pointed that,
00:11:25.100 posted that original
00:11:26.180 search warrant application
00:11:27.900 or indictment on Twitter.
00:11:29.460 Well, who had it?
00:11:30.680 They said they lost it.
00:11:31.860 Okay, well, who had it last?
00:11:33.660 Yeah.
00:11:33.860 Who had it last?
00:11:34.980 And these are the kinds
00:11:35.960 of questions that
00:11:37.220 Bongino and Bondi and Cash,
00:11:40.780 they need to answer it,
00:11:42.220 frankly.
00:11:42.500 Because I do believe
00:11:43.700 there might not be
00:11:44.660 a lot of stuff left over,
00:11:46.740 but we do need to see
00:11:48.200 that chain of custody log.
00:11:49.540 Well, there is the one big gap,
00:11:51.540 the moment that Cash came out,
00:11:53.880 I think it was on Joe Rogan's show,
00:11:54.940 and said,
00:11:55.400 we've got the full video.
00:11:57.620 Nobody enters or leaves the prison.
00:12:00.780 And it's fascinating.
00:12:01.580 I feel like a lot of what they do
00:12:03.040 is hope that people only
00:12:06.160 take a surface level approach to it
00:12:07.860 and then never actually look into it.
00:12:09.520 The moment he said that,
00:12:10.320 I said, then who found the body?
00:12:12.500 I mean, somebody found him, right?
00:12:15.540 Somebody went into that jail cell
00:12:16.960 and they didn't film it.
00:12:18.240 So there's, what,
00:12:19.720 the guard looked in the window
00:12:20.940 and found the body and ran off?
00:12:21.980 Is that what happened?
00:12:23.020 Who went in to check
00:12:24.380 to make sure he was alive?
00:12:26.280 If the argument they're making
00:12:27.560 is that nobody went in or out,
00:12:31.060 well, then the suspects
00:12:32.400 are going to be the prison guards
00:12:33.540 and the paramedics, right?
00:12:34.660 Not to mention the video
00:12:35.580 they just released
00:12:36.260 has a minute missing,
00:12:38.120 and you see people come and go.
00:12:39.480 Yeah, there are a lot of irregularities.
00:12:42.900 The guards were indicted
00:12:44.040 and prosecuted,
00:12:45.080 but ultimately I don't think
00:12:46.280 they faced major repercussions
00:12:47.760 for that, you know,
00:12:49.360 the oopsie there.
00:12:50.700 There's, what they expect is,
00:12:52.240 and lawyers do this all the time.
00:12:53.820 If you're a lawyer,
00:12:54.440 you know these tricks.
00:12:55.580 The trick of the trade
00:12:56.620 is you always want,
00:12:58.120 lawyers always want people
00:12:59.320 to draw false inferences.
00:13:01.220 So they'll say,
00:13:02.100 I was at Tim's house
00:13:04.240 and I saw something,
00:13:06.720 you know, scandalous.
00:13:07.720 But I don't mention
00:13:08.640 I saw it after I left Tim's house.
00:13:10.380 I just say,
00:13:10.820 well, I mean,
00:13:11.160 I was at Tim's house
00:13:12.240 and then I saw,
00:13:13.800 you know,
00:13:14.840 somebody tied up
00:13:15.880 in a trunk of a car.
00:13:17.120 It's like, well, no,
00:13:17.720 but that was a week later.
00:13:20.360 And then you expect people
00:13:21.560 to infer falsely.
00:13:23.260 That's what's happening here is,
00:13:25.160 well, we don't have any files.
00:13:27.220 Oh, that must mean,
00:13:28.400 because then people go,
00:13:29.140 oh, that must mean
00:13:29.660 the files were destroyed
00:13:30.620 or the files never existed.
00:13:32.500 No, no, no.
00:13:33.300 I do not have any files.
00:13:35.140 I know where to look for them.
00:13:36.600 I do know that I've offered
00:13:38.200 repeatedly to bring in
00:13:39.640 a team of people,
00:13:41.340 active lawyers,
00:13:42.480 to run through all the files.
00:13:44.320 I do know that everybody
00:13:45.780 and their mother
00:13:46.560 from the New York Times,
00:13:48.220 the Washington Post,
00:13:49.140 to you,
00:13:49.620 to Daily Wire,
00:13:50.780 to Candace,
00:13:52.160 bring everybody in.
00:13:54.060 Bring everybody in.
00:13:55.620 Make them,
00:13:56.040 and I said this,
00:13:56.800 so this is not stuff
00:13:57.900 that we just came up with today.
00:13:59.600 I go make everybody sign
00:14:00.860 an NDA
00:14:01.340 that they will not disclose
00:14:02.460 the names of any victims
00:14:03.540 or alleged victims.
00:14:05.260 Otherwise,
00:14:06.040 make everybody compete
00:14:07.100 for a scoop.
00:14:08.360 Man,
00:14:09.080 it'd be a feeding frenzy, right?
00:14:10.720 And then you'd have
00:14:11.560 every angle covered.
00:14:12.540 You couldn't say,
00:14:13.080 oh, Daily Wire,
00:14:13.820 they're covering up,
00:14:14.660 you know,
00:14:14.880 they're covering up things.
00:14:16.620 You have everybody in there.
00:14:18.600 Why not do that?
00:14:20.260 Right?
00:14:20.720 So you have to look
00:14:21.540 at what they're not doing
00:14:22.760 to fully interrogate
00:14:25.900 the Epstein case
00:14:27.320 and the files.
00:14:27.880 So,
00:14:30.080 with the chain of custody,
00:14:33.280 somebody,
00:14:34.640 when he's arrested
00:14:36.160 and when he's charged,
00:14:38.040 there are documents
00:14:38.980 and there's information,
00:14:40.560 and because he was charged,
00:14:43.100 we are going to have
00:14:44.220 written proof
00:14:45.380 that somebody received
00:14:46.540 all those documents
00:14:47.120 in advance.
00:14:48.580 The argument,
00:14:49.500 I suppose,
00:14:49.820 is that at some point
00:14:50.660 they say it was lost
00:14:52.020 and we don't know how.
00:14:53.120 Would the argument then be
00:14:54.060 that individual
00:14:54.820 would be criminally charged
00:14:55.860 for loss of government?
00:14:58.120 Like,
00:14:58.260 how would you handle that
00:14:59.300 if they just said,
00:15:00.120 yeah,
00:15:00.200 that was me,
00:15:00.640 but I brought it
00:15:01.800 to my boss's office
00:15:02.620 and then I don't know
00:15:03.480 what happened to it?
00:15:04.700 At least then we know,
00:15:06.480 right?
00:15:06.920 Yes.
00:15:07.380 That's the whole point.
00:15:09.240 There's a way
00:15:09.820 to handle things
00:15:10.420 with transparency.
00:15:11.300 The way I would handle it,
00:15:12.580 and again,
00:15:13.120 we had requested
00:15:13.800 a presidential envoy
00:15:14.820 where you had full subpoena power
00:15:16.640 and you could put people
00:15:17.440 under oath,
00:15:18.340 is you would just say,
00:15:19.020 cool,
00:15:19.180 we're putting everybody
00:15:19.940 under oath
00:15:20.440 and we're not going to interview
00:15:21.200 in Washington, D.C.
00:15:22.220 where we know that
00:15:23.040 the jury will nullify you.
00:15:24.920 We're going to bring you
00:15:25.620 to West Virginia
00:15:26.360 and a field office
00:15:27.680 in West Virginia
00:15:28.260 and we're going to interview
00:15:29.600 you under oath.
00:15:30.500 Man,
00:15:30.660 if you lie,
00:15:31.160 you're going to be prosecuted
00:15:32.080 and we need to see
00:15:33.160 everything was signed off
00:15:34.400 and we need to see
00:15:35.000 the last person
00:15:35.840 who had it
00:15:36.820 and then you would
00:15:37.540 just report that
00:15:38.280 and sorry if that ruins
00:15:40.360 the career of an FBI agent
00:15:42.000 by his name being public.
00:15:44.000 Whoop-dee-doo.
00:15:45.140 You blew it.
00:15:46.440 I guess the challenge right now
00:15:47.780 is the memo
00:15:48.920 that they put out
00:15:49.440 is unsigned
00:15:50.020 and it was informal.
00:15:51.720 It wasn't listed
00:15:52.960 as far as I could tell
00:15:53.780 on the DOJ website
00:15:55.140 but it is hosted
00:15:56.360 on the DOJ website.
00:15:57.740 So if you get the link
00:15:58.760 then you can punch it in
00:16:00.840 and see justice.gov.
00:16:03.220 Nobody signed off on it.
00:16:04.320 We don't know who wrote it.
00:16:05.080 There's no seal.
00:16:05.820 So where did it come from?
00:16:08.040 With, you know,
00:16:09.560 I believe Cash
00:16:10.600 has maintained
00:16:11.360 even before getting in
00:16:12.400 that he thought
00:16:12.800 Epstein killed himself
00:16:13.700 and now he's saying
00:16:15.240 the same thing.
00:16:16.860 But it does seem
00:16:18.640 like the Trump administration
00:16:20.440 is very poorly handling this
00:16:22.440 whatever it may be
00:16:23.260 leading many to believe
00:16:24.620 that they are intentionally
00:16:25.620 covering it up.
00:16:27.060 People are tweeting
00:16:27.720 that Trump and Cash,
00:16:29.120 Dan and Pam,
00:16:29.660 they're the deep state.
00:16:31.260 Why did Pam Bondi say
00:16:32.720 phase one
00:16:33.580 give out these binders
00:16:35.260 and then there's no phase two?
00:16:38.500 What's going on?
00:16:39.360 Yeah, we were told
00:16:42.640 when we were in the White House
00:16:43.740 we were given these binders
00:16:45.200 and then after
00:16:46.400 there was a photo op
00:16:47.400 which I do think
00:16:48.180 was accidental.
00:16:49.540 The people,
00:16:50.540 you know,
00:16:50.920 it's weird when you're
00:16:51.560 in the middle of
00:16:51.980 conspiracy theory
00:16:52.960 where I even have people
00:16:54.260 saying like,
00:16:54.840 oh wow,
00:16:55.200 you've covered up
00:16:55.880 the Epstein stuff.
00:16:56.680 It's like you're only
00:16:57.400 talking about this
00:16:58.120 because of me,
00:16:59.200 right?
00:16:59.480 You Muppet.
00:17:00.100 That's the only reason
00:17:01.020 you're talking about this,
00:17:01.880 right?
00:17:02.840 And so I believe
00:17:04.420 that when you're walking out
00:17:05.560 of world leaders coming in
00:17:06.760 we ran out of time
00:17:07.760 because when we were
00:17:08.660 in the building
00:17:09.120 and you were there
00:17:09.680 we talked I think
00:17:10.300 that same night
00:17:10.980 or the next night
00:17:11.720 the Keir Starmer's people
00:17:13.980 were kicking us out
00:17:14.880 of the office
00:17:15.560 that we were in.
00:17:16.580 They were like,
00:17:17.060 we need it.
00:17:17.600 They were waiting.
00:17:18.360 So you're walking out
00:17:19.220 and you like,
00:17:19.680 you see them waiting
00:17:20.500 and then you walk
00:17:21.580 and then we're going
00:17:22.060 to move up
00:17:22.420 to the Eisenhower building.
00:17:23.900 So this is happening.
00:17:24.960 I wish I had a GoPro.
00:17:26.340 You're walking
00:17:27.060 and then you just see
00:17:27.800 all these people like,
00:17:28.720 you know,
00:17:29.680 they're there for the other event
00:17:31.020 and then they see
00:17:31.540 everybody with these binders.
00:17:32.940 But of course
00:17:33.340 it looks the way it looks
00:17:34.360 which is why
00:17:35.000 conspiracy theories get legs
00:17:36.580 which is why
00:17:37.860 I didn't mind
00:17:38.560 explaining it to you
00:17:39.840 at Shelly's backroom
00:17:41.120 at the Cigar Night
00:17:42.520 to explain it.
00:17:43.860 I didn't,
00:17:44.340 like,
00:17:44.540 I'm tired of explaining it
00:17:45.500 to other people now
00:17:46.380 to every idiot,
00:17:47.580 you know,
00:17:47.940 who replies to me on Twitter.
00:17:49.300 But I go here,
00:17:50.420 transparently,
00:17:51.000 here's what happened.
00:17:51.740 I gave Ian the binder,
00:17:53.220 you know,
00:17:53.680 read,
00:17:54.060 you know,
00:17:54.320 you can read everything.
00:17:55.160 There's no secrets here.
00:17:56.480 Why am I giving more transparency
00:17:59.180 than the FBI
00:18:00.020 and the DOJ are giving?
00:18:01.480 Do you think that,
00:18:03.620 there's a lot of wild theories
00:18:04.700 but I'm curious
00:18:05.260 what your thoughts are
00:18:06.100 as to why,
00:18:07.040 like,
00:18:07.320 first of all,
00:18:07.820 do you actually believe
00:18:09.180 that Cash and Dan
00:18:09.800 are being honest
00:18:10.320 when they say
00:18:10.640 Epstein killed himself?
00:18:12.580 I think they look terrified.
00:18:15.200 I agree.
00:18:15.760 I've never,
00:18:16.380 they look terrified.
00:18:17.560 We can infer
00:18:18.260 what we will from that
00:18:19.140 but I've never seen them.
00:18:21.180 These people are media people
00:18:22.420 that have been on camera
00:18:23.280 how many tens of thousands
00:18:25.160 of hours
00:18:25.680 and,
00:18:26.440 you know,
00:18:26.800 they're like this,
00:18:27.980 right?
00:18:29.640 And,
00:18:30.200 I don't know,
00:18:31.420 I don't know what that's about.
00:18:32.920 I,
00:18:33.160 frankly,
00:18:34.560 I personally,
00:18:35.560 personally don't believe
00:18:36.740 that Epstein killed himself
00:18:38.600 but maybe he did.
00:18:41.000 Maybe he did.
00:18:41.960 But if I were going to prove
00:18:43.100 that he did it,
00:18:43.640 I would have just,
00:18:44.360 I would have released
00:18:44.940 the suicide video.
00:18:45.800 Remember,
00:18:46.160 Bill Barr was originally
00:18:47.220 the guy who claimed
00:18:48.520 that he killed himself
00:18:49.260 and Bill Barr said,
00:18:50.060 I've seen the video
00:18:50.760 of him hanging himself.
00:18:51.740 Okay,
00:18:51.940 why don't we have the video?
00:18:52.980 And then you find out
00:18:53.660 Bill Barr,
00:18:54.720 either his dad
00:18:55.560 or there was some weird
00:18:56.420 connection to the Epstein school.
00:18:58.160 The thing is weird,
00:18:59.220 man.
00:18:59.500 I was thinking about this
00:19:00.240 the other day
00:19:00.900 because my wife
00:19:02.080 will ask me these questions.
00:19:03.040 She doesn't really like
00:19:03.660 live online
00:19:04.340 and she's like,
00:19:06.640 well,
00:19:06.760 what,
00:19:07.020 you know,
00:19:07.340 what is it?
00:19:08.440 And I go,
00:19:09.100 well,
00:19:09.180 that's what everybody's texting
00:19:10.380 each other back and forth.
00:19:12.220 Everybody,
00:19:12.820 and then she'll ask you
00:19:13.480 perfectly reasonable questions
00:19:15.160 and it's like frustrating
00:19:16.520 because you're like,
00:19:17.100 I don't know.
00:19:18.440 I don't know what to tell you guys.
00:19:19.960 I don't know.
00:19:21.340 Well,
00:19:21.480 is it some intelligence
00:19:22.380 community thing?
00:19:23.940 All I know is that
00:19:25.000 Dan Bongino and Cash
00:19:26.240 are as good as it gets.
00:19:27.960 They look like they were
00:19:28.900 doing a hostage video.
00:19:30.800 Cash is saying on Joe Rogan,
00:19:32.420 if you have any information,
00:19:33.980 call us.
00:19:35.180 Call the tip line.
00:19:37.080 That's not how the FBI works,
00:19:38.780 man.
00:19:39.580 We don't have documents
00:19:41.740 we should have.
00:19:42.460 The original search warrant
00:19:43.720 application that was filed
00:19:45.800 is under seal.
00:19:46.860 That would be revealing.
00:19:48.420 I've been told by a source
00:19:49.980 that the warrant is very narrow,
00:19:52.700 which would hold up to my theory.
00:19:55.240 So my theory is,
00:19:56.260 my working theory,
00:19:57.060 I don't think it's
00:19:57.660 a conspiracy theory.
00:19:58.580 I think it's what any lawyer
00:20:00.000 would conclude based on
00:20:00.900 all available rational evidence
00:20:02.240 is that
00:20:02.760 the Epstein stuff
00:20:05.220 was all covered up.
00:20:07.300 He was running around
00:20:08.180 living his best life,
00:20:09.480 hanging out with Bill Gates
00:20:10.680 and Reid Hoffman
00:20:11.600 at his island.
00:20:13.200 Here's another thing
00:20:13.980 I was thinking about,
00:20:14.640 man.
00:20:15.360 Cut me off if I'm just rambling.
00:20:16.840 No, I'll get it.
00:20:17.220 Get it.
00:20:18.040 I was thinking about this
00:20:18.900 like in reference
00:20:20.260 to like the Puff Daddy thing.
00:20:21.820 I go, you know,
00:20:22.820 never in my life
00:20:23.960 has anyone ever been like,
00:20:26.520 oh, we're going
00:20:26.920 to a baby oil party, right?
00:20:31.000 It just,
00:20:32.260 even in my secular way,
00:20:33.960 people might say,
00:20:35.020 let's go to Cabo
00:20:35.980 or, you know,
00:20:36.560 maybe you'll roll
00:20:37.480 or, you know,
00:20:38.180 go to EDC or something.
00:20:39.840 And I'm just like
00:20:40.500 going through it.
00:20:41.280 I'm like, you know,
00:20:42.300 nobody talks like that.
00:20:44.480 Even my most degenerate friends.
00:20:46.260 Oh, these people
00:20:47.220 have the best parties.
00:20:49.220 It's all so very bizarre.
00:20:51.880 Right.
00:20:52.040 And that's, of course,
00:20:52.940 why, because it's bizarre to me
00:20:54.160 and I'm a pretty level-headed guy
00:20:55.800 because I'm thinking,
00:20:57.880 yeah, nobody talks like this
00:21:00.260 except the media
00:21:01.740 and Hollywood people.
00:21:03.660 And then they talk about,
00:21:05.300 you know,
00:21:05.720 there was a bunch of
00:21:06.320 Steve Harvey videos
00:21:07.180 that were deleted
00:21:08.020 where he's talking
00:21:09.140 about baby oil
00:21:09.880 and you're like,
00:21:10.380 Steve Harvey?
00:21:11.460 You know,
00:21:11.980 how is this a normal thing?
00:21:14.500 You know,
00:21:14.720 and what is it even talking about?
00:21:16.320 And that's why people,
00:21:17.140 I think,
00:21:17.420 who are people
00:21:18.220 lose their minds a little bit
00:21:19.500 because it's just not normal.
00:21:21.880 Even if you were a partier
00:21:23.080 doing drugs and things,
00:21:24.640 nobody talks like this.
00:21:26.180 Nobody's like,
00:21:26.800 hey, let's go to an island.
00:21:28.400 That doesn't happen.
00:21:29.540 People have yacht parties.
00:21:31.000 People, you know,
00:21:32.360 nobody does it.
00:21:33.240 Even if you're a partier,
00:21:34.880 that's not that.
00:21:35.760 There's no like code.
00:21:36.820 You would just say
00:21:37.280 you want to like go roll.
00:21:38.660 This is,
00:21:39.620 I mean, this is,
00:21:40.700 it feels like
00:21:41.840 this is parallel reality
00:21:43.060 or this parallel
00:21:44.520 culture that exists
00:21:45.920 in what you're describing.
00:21:47.480 So, you know,
00:21:48.960 we go down to Miami
00:21:49.560 with the crew
00:21:50.240 for a show or something
00:21:51.560 and we were,
00:21:53.720 I can't remember
00:21:54.120 why we were down.
00:21:54.620 We've done it several times.
00:21:55.460 We rent a large yacht
00:21:57.180 and then we go out
00:21:58.600 on the water
00:21:59.060 and we got jet skis
00:22:00.720 and we got those little things
00:22:01.700 you hold where you dive
00:22:02.620 and it like pulls you under.
00:22:03.800 We're partying.
00:22:04.780 We're playing loud music.
00:22:05.860 It costs five grand.
00:22:07.680 You're right.
00:22:07.840 What you learn
00:22:09.180 is that private planes
00:22:11.520 are private jets
00:22:12.960 are usually fleets
00:22:13.760 that are owned
00:22:14.200 by a company
00:22:14.780 that people either
00:22:16.000 have a share of
00:22:16.760 or pay a one-time fee on.
00:22:18.500 It is rare
00:22:19.400 that someone owns a jet.
00:22:20.900 Very few people do.
00:22:21.800 It is rare
00:22:22.480 that someone owns
00:22:23.260 a massive yacht.
00:22:24.060 They're usually just charters.
00:22:25.780 And then you hear
00:22:26.200 these stories
00:22:26.800 about these crazy parties
00:22:28.900 in D.C.,
00:22:30.300 you know,
00:22:30.780 Barack Obama
00:22:31.800 bringing in $30,000
00:22:33.020 worth of hot dogs
00:22:33.800 and pizza,
00:22:34.980 baby oil parties
00:22:36.060 in private islands.
00:22:37.360 And I'll clarify, too,
00:22:38.420 the pizza and hot dogs thing
00:22:40.260 to me sounds like
00:22:41.800 Obama was buying
00:22:43.260 Chicago pizza
00:22:45.180 and hot dogs
00:22:45.800 because that's the famous
00:22:46.760 food in Chicago.
00:22:47.640 We've got Maxwell Street.
00:22:48.780 You've got Portillo's.
00:22:49.960 But my point ultimately is
00:22:51.260 it is a very small
00:22:53.900 and obscure group of people
00:22:55.120 that own islands
00:22:57.180 and planes
00:22:58.440 and jets like this
00:22:59.620 that spend $30,000 to $50,000
00:23:01.680 to fly in their rare foods.
00:23:03.560 Even in D.C.,
00:23:04.960 even among the people
00:23:05.660 that I've met,
00:23:06.960 it's never brought up,
00:23:08.560 hey, you know what
00:23:09.060 we're going to do?
00:23:09.480 We're going to ship in
00:23:10.160 $50,000 worth of food
00:23:11.320 for this private party.
00:23:12.220 It's only us.
00:23:12.760 And you want to come
00:23:13.420 on our 100-foot yacht?
00:23:14.860 Never heard that.
00:23:16.480 So you make an interesting point
00:23:18.000 about who's going on the island
00:23:19.840 and how this stuff exists.
00:23:21.720 And I guess
00:23:22.440 when you bring it up,
00:23:23.360 it makes me think
00:23:24.240 that there is a
00:23:25.840 parallel society
00:23:28.780 of small,
00:23:29.960 well-connected individuals
00:23:30.700 that know all of this stuff,
00:23:32.100 that talk this way,
00:23:33.040 and they never tell anybody else.
00:23:35.660 And what is that?
00:23:37.560 You know?
00:23:38.360 Right.
00:23:38.860 That's the thing.
00:23:39.440 I know billionaires.
00:23:40.720 I'm friends with billionaires.
00:23:42.480 I'm friends with,
00:23:43.180 you know,
00:23:43.920 whoop-dee-doo.
00:23:44.600 There's a lot of billionaires.
00:23:45.680 Nobody says that.
00:23:47.580 They might say,
00:23:48.180 you know,
00:23:48.460 we're going to have caviar.
00:23:49.280 I've never been invited
00:23:50.080 to a pizza party.
00:23:51.260 Never.
00:23:52.200 Never.
00:23:52.600 And nobody says
00:23:54.360 they're bringing in
00:23:54.960 $50,000 of anything.
00:23:56.700 Nobody says we're bringing,
00:23:57.560 that's, gosh.
00:23:58.740 Trump brought in McDonald's.
00:23:59.640 Even the Nova Rich.
00:24:00.720 Yeah.
00:24:01.120 Even the Nova Rich
00:24:01.900 don't talk like that.
00:24:02.980 Let me tell you about a party.
00:24:05.080 I went to a party
00:24:05.820 on the Upper West Side
00:24:06.900 of New York.
00:24:08.240 And they were like,
00:24:09.560 it was a bunch of millionaires
00:24:10.740 and billionaires.
00:24:11.140 It was like 10 years ago.
00:24:12.540 And so they said,
00:24:13.380 everyone's going to bring
00:24:14.100 a bottle of liquor,
00:24:15.900 of, you know,
00:24:16.900 whatever,
00:24:17.700 hard liquor.
00:24:18.180 And I said,
00:24:19.120 okay, well,
00:24:19.720 I'll see what I can afford.
00:24:21.280 I'm like, wow.
00:24:21.920 So I bought Maker's Mark.
00:24:24.080 They were all shocked
00:24:25.280 and impressed.
00:24:25.980 They went, wow,
00:24:26.720 you bought Maker's Mark?
00:24:27.700 They were bringing in
00:24:28.600 like Absolute
00:24:29.500 and, you know,
00:24:30.600 Jack Daniels.
00:24:31.560 Nobody spent any of this money.
00:24:33.160 These were wealthy
00:24:33.880 New York individuals.
00:24:35.560 Nobody was like,
00:24:36.640 I'm going to drop 10 grand
00:24:37.800 on a big bottle of Louis
00:24:39.280 or anything.
00:24:39.700 It just didn't happen.
00:24:41.160 So we know it does happen
00:24:43.340 and these big parties do exist,
00:24:44.640 but it is a weird
00:24:45.580 parallel universe
00:24:46.640 where Diddy's having
00:24:48.160 baby oil freak offs
00:24:49.780 and people know
00:24:51.380 what they're going to,
00:24:52.960 but no one learns about it
00:24:54.300 until what,
00:24:54.860 like 20 years later
00:24:55.820 in this court case
00:24:56.560 for which he's ultimately found
00:24:58.060 largely not guilty.
00:25:00.320 So I don't know.
00:25:01.340 Yeah.
00:25:01.780 And then you watch
00:25:02.960 these video compilations
00:25:04.060 where they're like,
00:25:04.600 oh, pizza parties.
00:25:05.580 It's like,
00:25:06.540 dude, I got four kids.
00:25:07.960 I don't talk.
00:25:09.180 I've never,
00:25:09.900 I've never talked like this.
00:25:11.280 You might say,
00:25:12.160 come on over,
00:25:13.100 you know,
00:25:13.540 we're going to have food
00:25:14.380 or whatever.
00:25:15.320 It's just,
00:25:15.920 it again,
00:25:16.500 it's also bizarre
00:25:17.780 when you watch
00:25:18.320 these video compilations
00:25:19.500 or you see Ellen
00:25:20.460 talking like this
00:25:22.040 and you think this is,
00:25:23.220 yeah,
00:25:23.440 it does start to become
00:25:25.000 really strange,
00:25:26.240 especially because,
00:25:27.500 you know,
00:25:27.680 one thing,
00:25:28.080 a lot of people on Twitter
00:25:29.000 will,
00:25:29.280 you know,
00:25:29.460 talk down
00:25:30.020 or act like they know something,
00:25:31.080 but I,
00:25:33.000 like I'm friends
00:25:33.720 with billionaires.
00:25:34.400 You know,
00:25:35.000 wow,
00:25:35.540 wow.
00:25:35.920 You know,
00:25:36.560 that's not a flex.
00:25:37.580 Who cares?
00:25:38.320 I just know how
00:25:39.400 billionaires talk.
00:25:40.480 I know how famous people talk.
00:25:42.520 None of them talk like this.
00:25:44.080 None of them talk about
00:25:44.860 baby oil parties.
00:25:46.820 So do you think
00:25:47.240 there's a possibility?
00:25:48.300 One of the theories
00:25:49.040 is that
00:25:49.740 Trump now has
00:25:51.880 the one ring effectively.
00:25:53.020 He has the blackmail.
00:25:54.580 He knows all of this
00:25:55.800 and they're thinking,
00:25:56.660 you know,
00:25:57.020 if we release this,
00:25:57.940 we're going to lose
00:25:58.340 our leverage
00:25:58.800 over these powerful individuals.
00:26:00.440 So Trump says,
00:26:01.580 okay,
00:26:02.460 let's not release it.
00:26:03.200 Let's use it.
00:26:03.760 Do you think
00:26:04.020 there's a possibility there?
00:26:05.880 No,
00:26:06.440 a 0% chance,
00:26:07.720 especially because
00:26:08.680 Trump barely even knew
00:26:10.200 about the Epstein case
00:26:11.440 his first term.
00:26:12.880 Remember,
00:26:13.340 I'll remember all the
00:26:14.020 SDNY was doing this
00:26:15.340 all under Trump's watch,
00:26:16.680 which is why people like me were,
00:26:18.620 which is why I think
00:26:19.300 it's funny.
00:26:19.740 People like,
00:26:20.200 oh yeah,
00:26:20.520 Trump's on the list
00:26:21.420 and that's why he's hiding.
00:26:22.380 It was like,
00:26:22.600 I'd be the first one to say it.
00:26:23.780 Go read everything I wrote
00:26:24.960 during Trump's first term.
00:26:26.980 You know,
00:26:27.140 people,
00:26:27.600 it's like they found it
00:26:28.640 and I don't think
00:26:30.520 it's that at all.
00:26:31.220 What I think it is
00:26:32.120 is that Trump
00:26:33.020 has not taken
00:26:34.160 a personal interest
00:26:35.740 in it
00:26:36.740 the way he should have.
00:26:38.940 He doesn't understand
00:26:39.720 how important it is to people.
00:26:41.320 Here's what I don't get though.
00:26:43.320 If their goal
00:26:44.340 was really to cover this up,
00:26:45.640 they're doing the worst
00:26:46.700 job imaginable.
00:26:47.920 I don't get it.
00:26:50.040 That's why I was talking
00:26:51.600 to Posobiec
00:26:52.720 or somebody
00:26:53.280 and all I could think was,
00:26:56.840 why give Elon fuel
00:26:58.440 on his fire?
00:27:00.080 Just,
00:27:00.500 everybody's worried
00:27:01.280 about Elon.
00:27:02.620 Why do this?
00:27:04.360 And then why do it
00:27:05.300 in this manner
00:27:05.940 and then expect people
00:27:07.920 to say,
00:27:08.380 okay,
00:27:09.020 we've done it.
00:27:10.860 So,
00:27:11.320 I honestly believe
00:27:12.720 that the only
00:27:13.500 real conclusion,
00:27:15.360 because again,
00:27:16.060 I'm tired of people
00:27:16.840 telling me that
00:27:17.540 Reid Hoffman
00:27:18.300 and Bill Gates
00:27:18.900 went down
00:27:19.560 to the island
00:27:20.600 to hang out.
00:27:21.860 Billionaires don't do that.
00:27:22.920 They don't do it.
00:27:23.560 I can just tell you,
00:27:24.920 appeal to authority.
00:27:26.920 You know,
00:27:27.360 Douglas Murray
00:27:28.000 knows billionaires.
00:27:28.920 I bet you Douglas Murray,
00:27:30.380 an expert on billionaires,
00:27:31.480 would tell you.
00:27:32.460 They don't live this way.
00:27:34.640 Okay?
00:27:34.920 They're not doing this.
00:27:36.180 Unless you're in Dubai
00:27:37.040 and that's a whole different,
00:27:38.660 you know,
00:27:38.980 separate case
00:27:39.580 where people do
00:27:40.200 those weird parties
00:27:41.040 with us.
00:27:41.540 This is not what just
00:27:42.640 billionaires do.
00:27:43.800 Okay?
00:27:44.000 So,
00:27:44.160 anybody saying that
00:27:45.160 can stop it.
00:27:46.800 Something was going on there.
00:27:49.000 People can say,
00:27:49.780 what?
00:27:49.980 I don't know.
00:27:50.940 I know Luke went there.
00:27:51.980 He said it looked weird.
00:27:53.440 I know that there was
00:27:54.100 a submarine,
00:27:55.160 some weird submarine
00:27:56.080 non-profit.
00:27:57.460 I didn't even believe that.
00:27:58.960 To be honest,
00:27:59.580 I found,
00:28:00.440 go ahead.
00:28:01.340 No,
00:28:01.500 just what do you think
00:28:02.320 is the most,
00:28:03.200 like,
00:28:04.040 why do Cash and Dan
00:28:05.660 look scared?
00:28:06.980 What do you think
00:28:07.680 the end of this is?
00:28:08.980 That it's,
00:28:10.000 Epstein was intelligent
00:28:10.740 so they can't reveal it
00:28:11.860 or something?
00:28:13.220 I mean,
00:28:14.080 if you want to go there,
00:28:14.860 I think there's a
00:28:15.440 breakaway ruling class
00:28:17.180 that's above everything else
00:28:18.380 and that they harvest
00:28:19.520 the energy of children
00:28:20.800 demonically for their own,
00:28:22.240 like,
00:28:22.780 ritual.
00:28:23.120 I mean,
00:28:23.340 if you want to,
00:28:23.960 like,
00:28:24.140 what I really believe,
00:28:25.000 like,
00:28:25.240 I believe,
00:28:26.200 like,
00:28:26.380 that hideous strength
00:28:27.360 is direct,
00:28:28.840 you know,
00:28:28.940 by C.S. Lewis
00:28:29.720 is,
00:28:30.040 like,
00:28:30.160 directionally true
00:28:31.040 and that what we see is,
00:28:33.620 that's why when people,
00:28:34.460 people saw a video
00:28:35.500 where I go,
00:28:35.900 I don't think it's Masaj,
00:28:36.960 just Masaj,
00:28:37.560 they go,
00:28:37.820 oh,
00:28:37.960 wow,
00:28:38.200 there's Cerno,
00:28:39.200 the Zio cuck.
00:28:40.540 And I was like,
00:28:41.200 no,
00:28:41.360 go watch the whole video.
00:28:42.980 If it were Masaj,
00:28:44.140 you wouldn't be able
00:28:44.800 to say it was Masaj.
00:28:45.660 Right.
00:28:46.240 You're allowed to say
00:28:47.280 it's Masaj
00:28:48.020 because that doesn't
00:28:49.300 threaten anything.
00:28:50.120 Go say it's Masaj.
00:28:51.160 Nobody,
00:28:51.560 nobody's getting,
00:28:52.560 Eric Weinstein
00:28:53.360 was saying it was Masaj.
00:28:54.500 Look at what they censored
00:28:55.440 on YouTube.
00:28:56.620 Look at,
00:28:57.280 YouTube would delete
00:28:58.540 the video
00:28:58.940 when,
00:28:59.640 when Eric Charmella
00:29:01.480 was blowing the whistle
00:29:03.200 on Trump,
00:29:03.780 blowing the whistle.
00:29:04.680 If you even posted
00:29:05.960 the name on Facebook,
00:29:06.960 they would delete
00:29:07.760 your post without warning.
00:29:08.600 There were things
00:29:09.100 they would not let you say.
00:29:11.360 And so,
00:29:12.100 you know,
00:29:13.060 I don't,
00:29:13.540 I don't,
00:29:13.640 I,
00:29:13.820 you can say,
00:29:14.460 yeah,
00:29:14.800 you can say all day
00:29:15.500 it's Masaj.
00:29:16.140 Nobody cares.
00:29:16.820 You can say that.
00:29:17.940 Maybe.
00:29:18.280 Why?
00:29:19.460 Because there's a superstructure
00:29:21.200 and it could be
00:29:22.520 the royal family,
00:29:23.800 the trillionaires,
00:29:25.040 you know,
00:29:25.360 maybe it's not literally demons,
00:29:26.800 but there's a superstructure
00:29:28.140 that exists.
00:29:29.700 It could be the ancient
00:29:30.820 banking families.
00:29:31.880 We don't,
00:29:32.280 we don't really know,
00:29:33.360 but it isn't,
00:29:34.540 oh,
00:29:34.740 it's just the intelligence community.
00:29:36.880 What,
00:29:37.260 what do you do?
00:29:37.840 Like,
00:29:38.300 you know,
00:29:38.760 Teal made a good point
00:29:40.600 on the Joe Rogan podcast
00:29:41.560 and people forget this is,
00:29:43.660 people have gone to prison
00:29:45.180 for spying on behalf of Israel.
00:29:47.720 I think Pollard
00:29:48.960 was one of the famous cases.
00:29:50.660 It's not like
00:29:51.420 the people
00:29:52.240 in the intelligence community
00:29:53.440 are like,
00:29:53.800 they're so afraid
00:29:54.780 of ever saying anything.
00:29:56.620 You see it all the time
00:29:57.520 if you watch podcasts,
00:29:59.100 even the guy
00:29:59.620 with the big hair,
00:30:00.320 the ex-CIA guy,
00:30:01.620 he criticizes Masaj.
00:30:03.000 You know,
00:30:03.800 everybody,
00:30:04.740 it's such low-hanging fruit
00:30:06.460 and that's why I know
00:30:08.440 this is not non-threatening
00:30:09.560 because I know
00:30:10.920 that when I talk to you
00:30:11.860 and you're on YouTube,
00:30:13.320 if I'm,
00:30:13.760 you know,
00:30:14.140 there are words
00:30:14.640 that I'll spell out
00:30:15.560 like the vaccine.
00:30:17.160 You know,
00:30:17.940 you got to spell it out
00:30:19.240 because if you don't,
00:30:20.180 the algorithm
00:30:20.720 is going to pick it up.
00:30:21.840 But nobody's like
00:30:22.720 saying,
00:30:23.680 oh wow,
00:30:24.120 you said Epstein Masaj.
00:30:25.640 We better,
00:30:26.340 you know,
00:30:26.640 we better filter that.
00:30:28.100 So there is,
00:30:29.020 there does,
00:30:29.560 this is something
00:30:30.320 I'm certain of.
00:30:31.060 What it is,
00:30:31.580 I don't know,
00:30:32.100 but something that I'm certain of
00:30:33.180 is there exists
00:30:35.120 a superstructure
00:30:36.220 that's above
00:30:37.760 the intelligence community.
00:30:39.220 It's above Trump.
00:30:40.960 It may be natural.
00:30:42.460 It could be something
00:30:43.200 as simple as
00:30:43.920 the trillionaires
00:30:44.940 and the ancient banking families
00:30:46.880 and Knights of Templar
00:30:47.840 kind of stuff.
00:30:49.940 I don't,
00:30:50.600 I don't,
00:30:51.380 I think it's,
00:30:52.480 whatever,
00:30:54.060 I agree there's
00:30:55.020 some kind of superstructure.
00:30:55.920 I don't know what it would be,
00:30:56.600 but I do believe
00:30:57.220 it's probably still
00:30:58.000 within,
00:30:58.460 within a governmental
00:31:00.260 system of sorts.
00:31:02.100 Because
00:31:02.540 if it was
00:31:04.400 an ancient banking family
00:31:05.780 type scenario,
00:31:07.220 I think
00:31:08.020 the,
00:31:08.660 the,
00:31:08.840 the power and influence
00:31:09.680 they have is,
00:31:11.020 it's confusing.
00:31:12.620 If you're,
00:31:13.260 if you're Dan Bongino,
00:31:14.360 he's a smart guy,
00:31:15.160 and you say,
00:31:16.460 he said on my,
00:31:17.100 on Timcastle IRL
00:31:17.960 that Epstein was believed
00:31:19.480 to be some kind of
00:31:20.000 Middle Eastern intelligence.
00:31:21.100 Everyone laughs,
00:31:21.700 oh,
00:31:21.820 Middle Eastern,
00:31:22.340 we get it.
00:31:23.640 You go into the FBI
00:31:24.880 and then,
00:31:25.300 and then something
00:31:26.140 rattles you to the bone
00:31:27.460 to the point
00:31:27.880 where you say,
00:31:28.520 he killed himself.
00:31:30.840 And,
00:31:30.920 and it,
00:31:31.180 and it,
00:31:31.440 and he,
00:31:31.780 when he said it,
00:31:32.500 it,
00:31:32.860 it didn't sound,
00:31:34.460 he sounded kind of,
00:31:36.580 kind of a little forced,
00:31:37.520 you know,
00:31:37.660 I don't know.
00:31:39.060 You are,
00:31:39.740 what would,
00:31:40.200 what would a human being
00:31:41.160 be scared of
00:31:42.120 to say something
00:31:43.600 they believe is not true?
00:31:45.080 If someone you've never
00:31:46.320 heard of or met before
00:31:47.240 says I'm a trillionaire,
00:31:48.460 say this or else,
00:31:49.360 you'd be like,
00:31:49.920 oh,
00:31:50.060 nice try,
00:31:50.560 buddy.
00:31:51.260 Screw off.
00:31:52.560 But,
00:31:53.440 if there was someone
00:31:54.480 who could command authority
00:31:56.420 and they said,
00:31:57.440 we will take your home
00:31:58.360 from you
00:31:58.880 and we will take
00:31:59.780 your children from you,
00:32:01.020 that's something tangible
00:32:02.160 to a human being.
00:32:03.340 Unless,
00:32:03.700 of course,
00:32:03.980 it really is magic,
00:32:05.120 demons and aliens
00:32:05.820 or whatever
00:32:06.220 and he saw a spaceship
00:32:07.160 float over his head.
00:32:08.440 I,
00:32:08.680 I think it's more likely
00:32:09.780 that there is a structure
00:32:11.500 within government
00:32:12.180 that is easily discernible
00:32:13.900 to the average person
00:32:14.560 that says,
00:32:15.200 you will lose everything
00:32:17.580 unless you do
00:32:18.480 as you're told.
00:32:19.960 Nah,
00:32:20.580 you don't,
00:32:21.320 you don't back down cash
00:32:22.600 with Ann Bongino.
00:32:23.940 You,
00:32:24.120 you,
00:32:24.380 you have,
00:32:24.900 you've had people
00:32:25.400 try to kill you
00:32:26.120 at your Harper Ferry place.
00:32:28.700 Okay.
00:32:29.180 I've had people
00:32:29.820 try to kill me.
00:32:30.720 I've had credible threats
00:32:32.020 like that.
00:32:32.460 You have.
00:32:33.120 Get real.
00:32:34.960 You know,
00:32:35.640 like,
00:32:36.040 what do we do?
00:32:36.780 We're going to chicken out.
00:32:38.000 Everybody's going to chicken out.
00:32:39.500 Bongino and them
00:32:40.140 is going to chicken out
00:32:40.960 if it's,
00:32:41.440 if it's only
00:32:42.180 somebody from the deep stake.
00:32:43.980 You would make that public
00:32:45.040 so quick.
00:32:45.960 But let me clarify.
00:32:48.160 I'm saying a superstructure
00:32:49.720 above government
00:32:51.420 that is just,
00:32:52.160 that the authority
00:32:52.960 is discernible.
00:32:53.760 The abilities
00:32:54.300 are discernible.
00:32:55.880 Like,
00:32:56.740 I don't understand
00:32:57.900 how an unnamed
00:32:59.480 banking trillionaire
00:33:00.480 could,
00:33:01.140 could be more terrifying
00:33:03.220 than realizing
00:33:05.340 you are a figurehead
00:33:06.880 in a system
00:33:07.240 and have no authority
00:33:07.960 and control
00:33:08.500 and they can destroy
00:33:09.420 you and everyone
00:33:10.020 you love in a moment.
00:33:11.840 Like,
00:33:12.560 what could a,
00:33:12.900 what could a banking
00:33:13.500 trillionaire do?
00:33:15.080 I mean,
00:33:15.560 I can,
00:33:15.940 I can think of a scenario.
00:33:17.120 I,
00:33:17.940 you know,
00:33:18.340 hey,
00:33:18.600 Tim,
00:33:19.180 you know,
00:33:19.640 you're Bongino,
00:33:20.320 let's get on the FBI plane.
00:33:21.500 We're going to fly,
00:33:22.380 you know,
00:33:22.720 to Europe.
00:33:23.660 They fly you over somewhere.
00:33:25.160 You go underground.
00:33:26.280 You're in some kind
00:33:27.040 of eyes wide,
00:33:27.800 wide shut party.
00:33:29.820 Right?
00:33:30.400 Do you have people,
00:33:31.280 you have people wearing the,
00:33:32.440 you ever see those old pictures
00:33:33.560 where they're wearing
00:33:34.120 all those weird masks?
00:33:35.180 Yeah.
00:33:35.400 It's all true,
00:33:35.920 true pictures.
00:33:36.920 You have people coming out
00:33:38.180 like that.
00:33:39.100 If an FBI agent
00:33:40.520 or a generalist,
00:33:41.520 somebody threatened me,
00:33:42.220 I would say,
00:33:42.620 bring it on,
00:33:43.180 dude,
00:33:43.520 bring it on.
00:33:44.860 You,
00:33:45.100 you put me,
00:33:46.640 I'm thinking I'm going one place
00:33:48.260 and you put me,
00:33:48.940 because I've had a couple
00:33:49.600 of invitations before
00:33:50.400 that I never,
00:33:51.000 I never went.
00:33:51.800 Cause I was like,
00:33:52.220 I don't know what's going
00:33:52.820 to happen here.
00:33:53.560 You know,
00:33:54.120 it's like a squid gang thing.
00:33:55.540 Squid gang,
00:33:56.260 she's riding in a limo.
00:33:57.740 They gash you.
00:33:58.480 You wake up and you're looking
00:33:59.380 at some eyes wide shut thing.
00:34:01.940 I consider myself
00:34:03.280 above average courageous.
00:34:05.040 I end up somewhere like that.
00:34:07.180 Maybe they have you
00:34:07.880 laid down like that,
00:34:08.980 stripped down
00:34:09.460 and they're about to
00:34:10.000 carve something into you.
00:34:11.460 You get the point.
00:34:12.440 You get the memo.
00:34:13.900 Yeah.
00:34:15.220 I don't know.
00:34:16.400 I don't know.
00:34:16.720 I guess we'll,
00:34:17.140 I guess we'll never know.
00:34:18.100 I guess we'll have to find out,
00:34:18.880 but we are,
00:34:19.360 we are a bit over time.
00:34:20.260 I do definitely want to talk
00:34:21.060 a lot more about this
00:34:21.960 because this is getting
00:34:22.340 really interesting now.
00:34:24.000 So maybe we should
00:34:25.100 set something up
00:34:25.600 and go and do a deep dive
00:34:26.820 on the superstructure.
00:34:28.400 And that'd be,
00:34:29.280 that'd be pretty awesome.
00:34:29.800 Mike, it's,
00:34:30.360 it's,
00:34:30.640 it's,
00:34:30.660 it's an honor
00:34:31.000 and privilege to have you.
00:34:32.140 Thanks for joining me.
00:34:32.820 Where can people find you?
00:34:35.160 On x or mikecernovich.substack.com.
00:34:38.780 Right on, man.
00:34:39.340 Well, thanks for,
00:34:40.080 thanks for hanging out
00:34:40.700 and we'll see you next time.
00:34:42.260 Always a pleasure, brother.
00:34:43.140 Take care.
00:34:43.480 That, of course,
00:34:48.120 was Mike Cernovich.
00:34:49.820 And as we pointed out
00:34:51.240 in the beginning of that interview,
00:34:53.060 he launched the lawsuit
00:34:54.580 that was ultimately joined
00:34:55.900 by the Miami Herald
00:34:56.860 and then resulted in
00:34:58.300 this whole thing taken off.
00:35:00.320 But we do,
00:35:01.220 I need to make sure
00:35:02.040 I get you guys over
00:35:02.820 to our good friend,
00:35:03.960 Russell Brand,
00:35:05.160 who I believe should be
00:35:06.260 gearing up to go live.
00:35:07.880 Let's pull up his link.
00:35:09.140 Make sure you guys
00:35:09.780 smash the like button.
00:35:11.380 Share the show
00:35:12.140 with everyone you know.
00:35:14.340 I think Mike is,
00:35:15.660 let me say this real quick.
00:35:17.440 He said that there's
00:35:18.660 an eyes wide shut
00:35:19.520 kind of like trillionaire
00:35:20.740 ancient banking family maybe.
00:35:22.560 But, and he disagrees with me
00:35:23.840 that I said,
00:35:24.200 I believe it was still
00:35:24.960 discernibly within the government.
00:35:28.800 What I'm saying is,
00:35:30.820 I think he may be right
00:35:32.180 about some kind of superstructure,
00:35:33.500 a deep state
00:35:34.180 that's more powerful
00:35:35.400 than people realize.
00:35:37.140 But when he says
00:35:38.520 an FBI agent
00:35:39.120 or someone coming at you
00:35:39.720 threatening your family,
00:35:40.480 it's not going to scare you.
00:35:41.660 I'm saying it's more powerful
00:35:42.980 than that.
00:35:43.840 But it's reasonably
00:35:44.780 and discernibly attached
00:35:45.920 to the structure of governance.
00:35:47.360 Like,
00:35:48.140 we control this in ways
00:35:49.600 you don't even understand.
00:35:51.900 So,
00:35:53.180 I actually think it really
00:35:54.100 is quite simple
00:35:54.620 for a lot of people.
00:35:56.160 They tell you,
00:35:57.300 we can do more damage
00:35:58.480 than you realize.
00:36:00.040 We can,
00:36:00.660 we can,
00:36:01.160 we can economically
00:36:02.220 obliterate cities.
00:36:03.400 We can,
00:36:03.800 we can destroy you
00:36:04.700 in ways
00:36:05.200 that are not just
00:36:06.300 about your life.
00:36:07.980 But,
00:36:08.420 what scares a human?
00:36:11.260 Like,
00:36:11.680 a human being.
00:36:12.960 If someone came,
00:36:13.940 like,
00:36:14.120 I agree with Mike
00:36:14.760 that if someone came to
00:36:16.060 Dan or Cash
00:36:17.180 or me
00:36:17.540 or anybody else
00:36:17.940 and said,
00:36:18.500 we're going to kill you,
00:36:19.600 it doesn't really faze us.
00:36:21.160 If they threaten our family,
00:36:22.520 we bolster our security.
00:36:24.100 But what if there was
00:36:25.080 a structure of government
00:36:26.020 that was more powerful
00:36:27.060 than that?
00:36:28.020 What if the superstructure is,
00:36:29.640 we have technology
00:36:30.640 you don't even understand.
00:36:32.440 We can snap our fingers
00:36:34.000 and you simply
00:36:35.780 have a heart attack.
00:36:37.360 What if it's something
00:36:38.320 like that?
00:36:39.740 I don't know.
00:36:41.520 Maybe it's all
00:36:42.280 just fanciful nonsense.
00:36:43.920 Maybe Epstein
00:36:44.460 was just a Mossad
00:36:45.700 MI6 guy
00:36:47.080 and they're covering it up
00:36:48.520 and they went to Dan
00:36:49.300 and Cash and said,
00:36:50.280 this will cause damage
00:36:51.740 to the U.S.
00:36:52.420 that we don't want to accept.
00:36:54.360 It could be as simple as that.
00:36:56.220 We'll see.
00:36:56.860 I definitely am going to pursue
00:36:58.060 having that conversation
00:36:58.680 with Mike.
00:36:59.360 That would be a great
00:36:59.900 culture war episode.
00:37:02.080 Really interesting stuff,
00:37:03.200 but I'm going to leave it there.
00:37:04.260 Thanks for hanging out, everybody.
00:37:05.220 We're back tonight
00:37:05.860 at 8 p.m. for TimCast IRL.
00:37:08.240 Come hang out.
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00:37:11.880 and we will see you all
00:37:12.720 in the next show.