The Culture War - Tim Pool - November 17, 2025


Candace Owens Says Charlie Kirk Assassination REEKS Of INSIDE JOB, Right DIVIDED ft. The Quartering


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Candace Owens has been accused of covering up the murder of her ex-boyfriend, Charlie Kirk. Was it an inside job? Or was it something else? Jeremy Hamley, host of the show and host of The Price is Right joins us to discuss the possibility that it may have been a cover-up.

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00:01:33.360 We don't, you know, he actively said he's going to get his crew to not vote for Trump.
00:01:37.660 Endorsing Kamala.
00:01:38.900 All this stuff.
00:01:39.420 And then everyone's like, well, mega's got a fracture.
00:01:41.580 I'm like, hmm.
00:01:42.380 How many of them really voted for Trump anyway?
00:01:44.400 I don't know if, how many of them even vote?
00:01:46.760 Like, I just don't buy it.
00:01:48.020 I think a lot of it is just fake.
00:01:50.200 Who killed Charlie Kirk?
00:01:52.440 A transgender furry's boyfriend? 0.99
00:01:54.980 Angry at Charlie Kirk for spreading hate?
00:01:57.580 Who climbed on that roof that fateful day and took a shot?
00:02:00.920 Or was it something else?
00:02:02.240 There's a rift happening on the right.
00:02:04.580 And it surrounds a variety of topics, largely around anti-Zionism,
00:02:08.440 as well as the killing of Charlie Kirk.
00:02:10.480 Which I think is probably the principal core, the moment at which the linchpin broke.
00:02:18.060 Charlie Kirk was a good man, and he was holding the right together.
00:02:21.780 I believe that he was, he's notorious for having answered every text message.
00:02:27.060 He would respond to everybody, and it was magic.
00:02:30.320 I don't know how he did it.
00:02:32.000 Well, Candace Owens has been making claims, insinuations, and investigating on her show. 0.98
00:02:37.660 What she says is now the number one podcast worldwide.
00:02:42.020 She's been heavily criticized by many on the right for pushing a claim that Charlie Kirk's murder was an inside job.
00:02:49.480 But the bigger picture here, as far as I'm concerned, is the rift and the fracturing on the right
00:02:54.660 and what it means for the movements or the bigger picture moving forward with Trump's plans,
00:03:00.000 the midterm elections, who will succeed Trump.
00:03:02.580 But I want to start with what is actually going on?
00:03:06.120 Why is the rift, why has it begun?
00:03:09.360 And I'll start here with Grok, everybody's favorite large language model.
00:03:14.480 Now, I'm not saying any of this is true.
00:03:16.320 I'm showing you how this large language model actually responds to the arguments made against Candace Owens.
00:03:23.420 With a question,
00:03:24.860 Is Candace Owens accused Turning Point USA of killing Charlie Kirk?
00:03:27.900 No, it says.
00:03:29.480 And feel free to pause and read through this if you'd like.
00:03:31.880 We'll be joined by Jeremy Hamley in just a moment to go over all this stuff and talk about what's happening.
00:03:35.480 They do highlight many statements she's made, where they say Owens has repeatedly promoted conspiracy theories
00:03:42.500 that heavily imply Turning Point USA's involvement in a cover-up or facilitation of the killing,
00:03:49.160 which many critics interpret as tantamount to an accusation.
00:03:52.640 And I think that's what basically everybody's saying.
00:03:54.340 She never explicitly said they did, but she has said inside job many times.
00:03:59.520 In fact, I believe we have, maybe it's not this one.
00:04:03.820 No, that's the Dead Man Switch video.
00:04:06.740 The dark story involves donors, sponsors, influencers,
00:04:10.160 a takeover of sorts that I think was happening right under Charlie's nose.
00:04:14.660 Effectively calling it an inside job.
00:04:15.960 Though she did say in other clips it was an inside job.
00:04:19.280 Grok continues.
00:04:20.020 I said, has Candace ever implied Erica Kirk knew or was involved?
00:04:25.860 Yes, Grok says.
00:04:27.880 Candace Owens has implied that Erica Kirk knew key details about the circumstances surrounding her assassination,
00:04:34.600 though she has repeatedly denied ever accusing Erica of direct involvement.
00:04:39.100 They're going to say,
00:04:39.740 On September 13th, Owens responded to an ex-user speculating about Erica Kirk's awareness of pressures Charlie faced,
00:04:46.100 stating, Erica knows everything.
00:04:47.820 This was posted shortly after the shooting in the context of Owens questioning the official narrative
00:04:53.220 and suggesting an inside job involving TPUSA staff.
00:04:56.860 This is, of course, Candace Owens saying that there were donors pressuring Charlie,
00:05:01.120 and someone asked, did Erica know about the pressure?
00:05:03.480 And she says, Erica knows everything.
00:05:05.020 On November 7th, she accused Ben Shapiro of fabricating a story that she accused Erica Kirk of killing her husband.
00:05:11.860 Later in the day, she reiterated on her podcast that equating her scrutiny of TPUSA's verifiable lies
00:05:16.940 to accusing Erica of murder is beyond smearing.
00:05:21.220 Backlash from the interpretations, of course, has resulted in the story I have just shown you.
00:05:25.480 The overall, I said, I asked Grok,
00:05:27.420 how would you interpret what Candace has said in the context as a whole?
00:05:31.620 What is the insinuation?
00:05:32.440 It says,
00:05:34.860 My analysis draws from the chronological pattern of a rhetoric,
00:05:37.460 which starts with the immediate skepticism,
00:05:39.060 builds up specific tips and inconsistencies,
00:05:40.980 and escalates to broader stomach accusations.
00:05:43.220 This isn't isolated sound bites.
00:05:44.780 It is a sustained narrative arc
00:05:48.020 that frames the event as a deliberate betrayal within conservative institutions.
00:05:52.880 With TPUSA at the center,
00:05:54.580 Owens positioning herself as the lone investigator uncovering verifiable lies,
00:05:58.800 drawing parallels to historical cover-ups.
00:06:01.120 The core accusation.
00:06:03.540 Owens' overarching insinuation is that Kirk's assassination wasn't a lone wolf act by Tyler Robinson,
00:06:09.220 but an inside job orchestrated or enabled by elements within his inner circle in TPUSA,
00:06:14.780 motivated by iological clashes,
00:06:17.640 Kirk's alleged shift away from pro-Israel stances,
00:06:19.500 and the internal power struggles,
00:06:21.880 financial scandals.
00:06:23.820 They say,
00:06:25.020 She stops short of direct accusations to avoid libel,
00:06:27.560 but the cumulative effect through loaded phrasing,
00:06:30.660 selective tips, and guilt by association implies
00:06:32.920 complicity or foreknowledge
00:06:35.420 by those closest to him,
00:06:37.540 including Erica Kirk.
00:06:39.740 Now, the one thing I can say is,
00:06:41.800 if this is not true of Candace Owens,
00:06:44.100 because I've only seen certain clips
00:06:45.480 and I've only watched a couple of her episodes,
00:06:48.280 I mean,
00:06:48.980 what Grok has been saying about this
00:06:51.020 is largely defamatory.
00:06:53.500 It's not an explicit claim it mentions.
00:06:56.100 It's, uh,
00:06:56.560 in some,
00:06:56.980 Owens' narrative insinuates a rotten core in the conservative movement,
00:06:59.760 with Erica as a symbolic gatekeeper to uncomfortable truths.
00:07:04.040 It's less about proving murder
00:07:05.380 than eroding trust in TPUSA's legacy,
00:07:07.740 potentially reshaping alliances,
00:07:09.700 her anti-Zionist pivot.
00:07:11.300 If her teased big day delivers,
00:07:14.020 it could solidify or implode.
00:07:16.260 Implode this.
00:07:17.140 Otherwise, it risks fading as performative outrage.
00:07:20.080 Either way, it's peak Owens,
00:07:21.980 provocative, polarizing, and profoundly disruptive.
00:07:24.700 I want to play a little bit of this clip,
00:07:26.800 and this will bring us into the discussion
00:07:29.240 with Jeremy Hambly.
00:07:30.380 Because what it registers to me as is power.
00:07:33.740 Real power hiding behind a veneer of victimhood.
00:07:36.620 The kind of power that can take somebody out
00:07:38.180 and end their entire career
00:07:39.420 if that person says something that they don't like.
00:07:41.980 And in this case,
00:07:43.040 it's not that I'm saying things that they don't like,
00:07:45.460 it's that I'm refusing to allow my voice to be controlled.
00:07:48.960 I want to be clear to you guys,
00:07:49.840 I'm going to be honest with you
00:07:50.780 because everybody's noticing it.
00:07:52.520 Every single political commentator in America,
00:07:55.860 every single one of them knows this,
00:07:58.580 that if you do not step out
00:08:00.940 and say things that are radically pro-Israel,
00:08:04.240 or if you are too quiet on certain narratives
00:08:07.300 and they want you to be radically pro-Israel,
00:08:09.020 you can lose everything.
00:08:10.040 That's truth.
00:08:10.860 That is a fact.
00:08:11.620 I'm not, I'm not...
00:08:12.240 Could lose everything, I guess.
00:08:14.240 It's not true as far as we're concerned.
00:08:16.180 And let's play more.
00:08:17.120 I'm not feeling like I need to hide from that anymore
00:08:19.800 because, or be afraid to say it, rather,
00:08:22.400 is a better way to say it,
00:08:23.220 because I've endured this for years.
00:08:25.840 I'm just at the end of my rope.
00:08:27.240 I have given so much rope here
00:08:29.640 and I am just done with it.
00:08:31.220 Every person that you are a fan of,
00:08:33.280 they know this.
00:08:34.240 Every person that you line up...
00:08:35.560 This is just lies.
00:08:36.700 You know, look, man.
00:08:37.720 I was a big fan of Candace for a long time.
00:08:39.980 This arc that she's on, it's fake.
00:08:42.500 Call it whatever you want.
00:08:43.380 She can say whatever she wants.
00:08:44.580 And she wants... 1.00
00:08:45.820 Israel shouldn't receive U.S. taxpayer dollars.
00:08:48.620 Cut them off. 0.94
00:08:49.560 I don't care. 0.71
00:08:50.420 I am ambivalent.
00:08:51.780 I don't care about Israel. 0.98
00:08:53.460 The idea that everybody knows this.
00:08:55.100 When Candace Owens recorded that clip, 0.94
00:08:56.720 she was at the Daily Wire, it appears,
00:08:58.600 she now is bragging about having 1.00
00:08:59.520 the number one podcast in the world.
00:09:00.940 So certainly, her anti-Zionist approach 0.68
00:09:02.680 has done her well.
00:09:04.180 That's not to say that there are lobbies
00:09:06.500 and interests that want you to be pro-Israel.
00:09:09.000 They certainly do.
00:09:10.540 But this argument that your career is destroyed 0.74
00:09:12.560 by criticizing Israel, it's silly to me.
00:09:14.920 Now, of course, this is the point.
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00:12:08.640 Jeremy, how's it going?
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00:12:10.740 How are you?
00:12:11.420 I am doing great.
00:12:13.120 And thank you for joining me.
00:12:15.360 I was just ranting a bit longer than I normally do
00:12:18.200 on these subjects.
00:12:19.040 So sorry to keep you waiting.
00:12:19.840 But, you know, going over Candace Owens' claims 0.93
00:12:22.280 about lies from Turning Point USA,
00:12:25.720 talking, there's the general insinuation
00:12:27.980 that there was anti-Israel sentiment
00:12:30.980 at the core of why Charlie Kirk was really killed.
00:12:34.940 Now, my understanding is she's never explicitly stated
00:12:37.560 anyone did anything, but she has.
00:12:40.040 I believe she has claimed, maybe I'm wrong,
00:12:42.240 but, or at least heavily implied,
00:12:43.460 that Robinson is not really the assassin
00:12:45.800 of Charlie Kirk.
00:12:47.540 And the reason I bring this up is
00:12:48.620 the conversation, of course,
00:12:49.780 that we're going to be talking about
00:12:50.600 is like this rift, this divide that's been happening.
00:12:52.820 You've got Tucker,
00:12:54.100 the interview with Nick Fuentes.
00:12:54.960 Now there's this big story about a resignation
00:12:57.140 at the Heritage Foundation.
00:12:59.440 Candace Owens has an anti-Zionist pivot. 1.00
00:13:01.640 It's being referred to in media.
00:13:03.140 And this, of course, is kind of at the core
00:13:04.860 of the Charlie Kirk assassination story.
00:13:06.940 So I'm curious what your thoughts are
00:13:09.580 on this divide and these theories
00:13:11.660 and the whole Israel thing.
00:13:14.860 Wow, that's loaded.
00:13:17.300 That's a lot, right?
00:13:19.120 Yeah, I guess you just eat the elephant
00:13:20.880 one bite at a time.
00:13:21.940 And I think that there is a pivot
00:13:25.400 that's undeniable with kind of the Israel stuff.
00:13:29.620 And I think there are valid criticisms of Israel.
00:13:31.840 I, like you, simply am not all that interested in it.
00:13:34.780 That doesn't mean it's not important.
00:13:36.020 That doesn't mean it's not, you know,
00:13:37.340 it's a great beat for people to be on,
00:13:39.320 clearly right now.
00:13:40.620 But I do think that a lot of it is fueled.
00:13:43.600 It's just, I don't know, Tim,
00:13:45.580 but I know that it's fueled by,
00:13:50.040 I believe, bot traffic and a lot of,
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00:13:54.580 let's say hypothetically,
00:13:55.900 and I wanted to ensure that the right
00:13:57.820 is, you know, screwing up midterms,
00:14:00.580 this would be a great way to go about it.
00:14:02.360 I can't prove that,
00:14:03.720 but boy, it sure seems, you know,
00:14:06.760 we're not talking about, you know,
00:14:08.640 we've got a lot of ground to make up
00:14:09.860 in the midterms.
00:14:11.260 We're talking about who should
00:14:12.760 and who shouldn't be platform.
00:14:13.800 I don't care.
00:14:14.920 Tucker Carlson wants to have 0.90
00:14:16.160 whoever he wants.
00:14:17.140 They even asked Trump about it yesterday
00:14:18.660 and Trump said, I don't care.
00:14:21.040 I don't care.
00:14:21.620 Let's talk about the economy.
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00:14:35.680 which, you know,
00:14:36.460 the election cycle is going to start soon.
00:14:38.260 So look, again,
00:14:40.020 I think there are valid Israel criticisms.
00:14:41.840 I wish they didn't invest so much money
00:14:44.220 in our politicians,
00:14:44.940 but I wish that was true about Qatar.
00:14:47.380 I wish that was true about all these foreign nations.
00:14:50.240 And I just feel like there is a hot,
00:14:54.780 there is a real or fake kind of this,
00:15:00.600 it feels inorganic.
00:15:01.940 This like, oh, suddenly,
00:15:03.440 let me say this before.
00:15:05.420 I'll say this.
00:15:06.280 I've noticed of real,
00:15:07.840 this is probably an anger.
00:15:08.720 Yeah, I have noticed some things.
00:15:12.040 Have you noticed that there is a real similarity
00:15:16.200 in the way that kind of like the,
00:15:19.360 not just the casual critics of Israel,
00:15:22.500 I'm talking about the ones with like IDS.
00:15:25.200 It becomes like their personality.
00:15:27.620 Yeah.
00:15:28.020 Much in the way that the LGBTQ community 1.00
00:15:30.480 became their personality,
00:15:32.480 in particular with trans people.
00:15:33.860 Like you can't say,
00:15:36.580 hey, maybe this isn't important
00:15:37.620 because they take it really personal
00:15:39.260 and they make it their whole personality.
00:15:42.280 I don't think that's healthy for this country.
00:15:44.420 I don't think it's healthy going forward.
00:15:46.180 And I also don't believe that it's organic.
00:15:49.060 Yeah.
00:15:49.660 There's this clip I just played
00:15:50.860 before I brought you in
00:15:51.740 where it's Candace,
00:15:53.320 I believe when she was still at the Daily Wire saying,
00:15:55.860 every conservative,
00:15:57.520 every commentator you follow knows this,
00:15:59.760 that if you don't toe the line for Israel,
00:16:01.960 they'll destroy you.
00:16:03.520 And I'm like, I don't know this.
00:16:06.640 I've never been told that.
00:16:08.220 Never experienced it.
00:16:09.240 Never been threatened.
00:16:11.960 And, you know, it's funny
00:16:13.220 because I went to this meeting with Netanyahu
00:16:15.280 as well as many other journalists.
00:16:17.020 And that's proof to these people.
00:16:18.700 It's proof.
00:16:20.540 7K club, they say and all that.
00:16:22.440 And I'm like, I've been sitting here
00:16:23.360 saying the whole time,
00:16:24.820 cut off funding to Israel.
00:16:26.240 No more billions of dollars.
00:16:27.340 They're on their own.
00:16:28.080 I don't want to be involved in them whatsoever.
00:16:29.600 And that's not good enough.
00:16:30.600 That's still proof.
00:16:31.120 These people are obsessed with the issue
00:16:34.080 and they turn everything into it.
00:16:36.280 But that being said,
00:16:37.860 I largely don't care about,
00:16:40.320 I'm not going to change my opinion
00:16:41.320 on the issue of Israel.
00:16:42.180 I don't care.
00:16:42.780 I'm fairly ambivalent.
00:16:43.840 Because when I go to the grocery store,
00:16:45.960 when I'm playing a poker game or whatever,
00:16:47.640 I'm at the skate park,
00:16:48.680 not a single person's asking me about Israel.
00:16:50.880 They're asking you about tariffs.
00:16:52.860 They're saying like, what's up with these,
00:16:54.400 like, is this tax?
00:16:55.080 Is it going to make things more expensive?
00:16:56.960 They're talking about rent,
00:16:57.880 homeownership,
00:16:58.860 50-year mortgage is a big deal.
00:17:00.240 So why are so many prominent individuals
00:17:02.620 dancing over this issue of Zionism or Israel
00:17:06.540 as if it's the most important thing in politics?
00:17:09.080 Well, it's because it's inorganic.
00:17:11.040 I think that there's,
00:17:11.980 you have some group of them
00:17:13.320 who are legitimately,
00:17:14.600 I think Tucker has been legitimately
00:17:16.180 criticizing Israel for some time now,
00:17:18.040 maybe Candace too.
00:17:19.400 But then like,
00:17:20.760 it's kind of a fad in a way.
00:17:22.760 Look, I was at an RC track,
00:17:24.720 remote control car track,
00:17:26.160 and people were asking me
00:17:27.620 about the 50-year mortgage.
00:17:28.760 Not one person asked me about Israel.
00:17:31.960 And this is one of the very frustrating things.
00:17:34.380 It's, you have to,
00:17:36.400 I too have,
00:17:37.680 I've literally said F Israel. 0.89
00:17:40.000 I,
00:17:40.500 but I still get every post.
00:17:42.140 I'm like,
00:17:42.640 maybe Israel isn't responsible for the 7K, 0.86
00:17:44.720 7K,
00:17:45.180 7K.
00:17:46.180 It's like,
00:17:47.080 it is so bizarre.
00:17:49.240 I have a long history of being America
00:17:51.260 practically only.
00:17:52.800 And I have people who are like,
00:17:53.940 oh,
00:17:54.100 you're a Zionist. 0.88
00:17:55.020 I'm like,
00:17:55.200 I don't even know what that means technically.
00:17:56.920 I am so out of like,
00:17:59.440 I'm worried about 100,000 Americans 0.54
00:18:00.820 dying every year from fentanyl overdoses.
00:18:02.420 I'm worried about,
00:18:03.240 you know,
00:18:03.780 25,
00:18:04.320 30 million illegals that we need to get out of this country. 1.00
00:18:06.420 I'm worried about,
00:18:07.220 you know,
00:18:07.600 people talk about H-1Bs.
00:18:09.260 They don't even know that there are multiple other visa formats,
00:18:12.340 not the H-1B that still brings people into this country
00:18:15.000 to take jobs from Americans.
00:18:16.560 And that is what I'm worried about.
00:18:19.080 And I've tried,
00:18:20.260 I've been very heartened.
00:18:22.000 And,
00:18:22.060 and I,
00:18:22.780 you know,
00:18:23.320 you mentioned that you were getting kind of,
00:18:24.960 I feel like you,
00:18:25.900 it was you maybe talking about getting,
00:18:27.460 you know,
00:18:27.900 it's demoralizing,
00:18:28.980 right?
00:18:29.260 Yeah.
00:18:29.520 That is the correct word for it because it's like, 1.00
00:18:31.820 damn guys, 0.99
00:18:32.320 we're going to, 1.00
00:18:33.020 nobody remembers 2018 to 2020 where Trump couldn't get anything done.
00:18:36.500 This final two years,
00:18:37.320 he was getting impeached nonstop.
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00:19:29.540 That's what we're going to get if we don't fix,
00:19:31.800 you know,
00:19:32.620 we focus on the issues that people actually care about.
00:19:35.460 I'm not saying Israel doesn't need to be criticized, 0.91
00:19:37.660 but nobody's talking about that.
00:19:39.740 We're going to lose the midterms if all of our loudest voices spend the next eight months
00:19:43.700 talking about Israel and not talking about getting,
00:19:46.860 I mean,
00:19:47.160 we had Candace Owen say,
00:19:48.240 well,
00:19:48.360 I'm not going to vote until I get the answer on Charlie Kirk.
00:19:50.540 Essentially,
00:19:51.620 sorry,
00:19:52.020 I'm,
00:19:52.580 you know,
00:19:52.880 telling her millions of viewers that they should,
00:19:55.580 you know,
00:19:55.740 implying maybe they shouldn't also vote.
00:19:57.200 And it's like,
00:19:58.280 we,
00:19:58.400 I remember the last,
00:20:00.080 so we were going to have that again.
00:20:01.440 Trump's last year is not going to get anything done.
00:20:03.360 Over an issue that most Americans don't know or care about.
00:20:06.140 And by all means,
00:20:06.940 like,
00:20:07.600 even if you believe Israel is the biggest problem we face or whatever it is you believe,
00:20:11.940 sure,
00:20:12.400 you're going to lose on your own issue if that's what you're yelling at people.
00:20:17.560 So I put it like this,
00:20:18.300 you know,
00:20:19.620 I'd like,
00:20:20.800 let's see.
00:20:22.400 I would like to see poker be allowed in certain circumstances in West Virginia,
00:20:28.560 but it's illegal.
00:20:29.380 Am I going to run for governor and say,
00:20:31.600 my platform is we should all play poker.
00:20:33.620 No one's going to vote for me.
00:20:34.820 No,
00:20:35.060 you come out and you say,
00:20:35.900 let me know how I can help you vote for me.
00:20:37.800 And then I'll take care of what I'm interested in after the fact.
00:20:40.580 If the issue really was Israel,
00:20:42.500 they'd be saying,
00:20:43.480 let's get Trump to win and elect more Republicans who want to cut off the 0.95
00:20:48.300 funding to for these,
00:20:50.060 for these interventions in Ukraine,
00:20:51.600 Israel,
00:20:51.920 Afghanistan,
00:20:52.300 Iraq,
00:20:52.480 whatever it may be.
00:20:53.500 But when they come out only on Israel,
00:20:56.000 regular people are like,
00:20:57.520 Hey,
00:20:57.660 look,
00:20:57.840 man,
00:20:57.940 I can't afford groceries.
00:20:58.800 What are you talking about?
00:20:59.760 So in that,
00:21:00.620 in that sense,
00:21:01.140 it definitely feels like an op in some sense to destroy the rights message and,
00:21:07.360 and to,
00:21:09.060 and to throw us off base,
00:21:09.920 but especially on the,
00:21:11.400 on the Charlie Kirk assassination thing.
00:21:12.900 I'll bring it to this.
00:21:13.940 Yeah.
00:21:14.740 You've now got this report from Tucker of all people that the,
00:21:18.080 this,
00:21:18.380 the would be assassin of Trump was a,
00:21:20.760 they,
00:21:21.040 them who was engaged in weird furry stuff.
00:21:24.160 So when I hear that the FBI believes the key suspect of the Charlie Kirk
00:21:29.300 assassination was also someone involved in this transfer stuff.
00:21:32.580 I'm like,
00:21:33.180 well,
00:21:33.280 we have a big list of people.
00:21:34.840 Now these mass shooters who are in this weird leftist ideology and getting
00:21:38.540 violent because they're losing.
00:21:41.220 Why then shift the argument to no,
00:21:43.440 no,
00:21:43.620 actually it was inside as a turning point or Israel.
00:21:46.900 Well,
00:21:46.920 that's,
00:21:47.200 what's been successfully done too.
00:21:48.680 And I talked about,
00:21:49.400 I started,
00:21:49.720 I stopped making videos about when you say like demoralizing,
00:21:52.180 I was trying to fight against that.
00:21:54.120 And I was getting crushed.
00:21:55.440 And I was just like,
00:21:56.780 I can't like,
00:21:57.960 you start to get gas lit.
00:21:59.440 I'm like,
00:21:59.960 guys,
00:22:00.480 you know,
00:22:01.120 that the left keeps killing us,
00:22:03.320 right?
00:22:03.920 There was a leftist that was,
00:22:05.540 you know, 0.95
00:22:05.820 killed migrants. 0.97
00:22:06.940 He was trying to kill ice agents in Florida.
00:22:08.940 Nobody talks about that anymore.
00:22:10.760 We had,
00:22:11.580 in my opinion,
00:22:12.280 Tyler Robinson assassinated Charlie Kirk.
00:22:14.620 Now are there questions around it?
00:22:16.640 Yes.
00:22:16.880 Do I believe that his neck was made of superpower,
00:22:19.540 whatever?
00:22:20.420 No,
00:22:21.120 but does,
00:22:22.160 but there are other explanations for what have happened,
00:22:24.860 what may have happened.
00:22:25.920 I'm willing to wait for the investigation to come up.
00:22:27.900 There is a very weird thing that happens to when you're like,
00:22:30.800 Hey,
00:22:30.900 maybe it was Tyler Robinson.
00:22:32.080 They're like,
00:22:32.380 Oh,
00:22:32.620 well you just believe everything the FBI says.
00:22:35.440 You're not allowed to say like,
00:22:36.940 yeah,
00:22:37.100 I have questions,
00:22:37.760 but also I believe Tyler Robinson is the most likely person.
00:22:41.120 Look what happened.
00:22:42.360 A YouTuber by the name of Turkey Tom interviewed their friend,
00:22:46.840 a friend of Tyler Robinson and Lance Twiggs.
00:22:50.760 He came out a big narrative and I don't want to name names,
00:22:53.620 but a big narrative was,
00:22:54.220 well,
00:22:54.640 these texts aren't real.
00:22:56.100 Nobody says my love.
00:22:57.920 Nobody says vehicle,
00:22:59.360 except this person who's close personal friends with them in the interview
00:23:02.240 said Tyler Robinson absolutely called Lance Twiggs,
00:23:05.440 my love.
00:23:05.900 He did it all the time.
00:23:07.180 So it's like,
00:23:07.740 now everyone's talking about Israel did it.
00:23:10.600 Oh my God,
00:23:11.140 there were Israeli cell phones around and it's like,
00:23:13.880 well,
00:23:14.120 I guess the left is just going to do another,
00:23:16.000 you know,
00:23:16.560 they're going to have another, 0.97
00:23:17.560 they're going to kill another politician because nobody's paying attention to 0.99
00:23:20.640 it.
00:23:20.820 I was,
00:23:21.260 I was talking to somebody about this recently and you know,
00:23:23.700 like,
00:23:23.800 I agree with you.
00:23:24.500 It's like,
00:23:24.700 we're in a similar space.
00:23:25.400 I said,
00:23:26.100 yeah,
00:23:26.240 maybe,
00:23:26.800 maybe the FBI's narrative on,
00:23:28.120 on Charlie Kirk is not correct.
00:23:29.500 There are questions I have.
00:23:30.620 Some of these things certainly I think don't add up,
00:23:33.300 but Occam's razor would suggest,
00:23:35.580 especially based on the track record of the left,
00:23:37.560 the violence they've engaged in.
00:23:38.640 And this person likely was,
00:23:40.200 you know,
00:23:40.560 left leaning or otherwise.
00:23:41.940 And someone,
00:23:42.980 so it probably is Robinson,
00:23:44.560 but you know,
00:23:45.000 who knows?
00:23:45.280 We'll find out.
00:23:45.860 We'll see it in the trial.
00:23:47.680 And then someone asked me,
00:23:49.860 yeah,
00:23:50.140 but don't you think they're all acting very strange?
00:23:52.620 Like the,
00:23:53.100 the turning point people in Erica are acting.
00:23:55.240 This was someone directly quoting Candace to me saying,
00:23:58.680 you know,
00:23:59.360 something like Candace mentioned that Erica was aware of the donors and the, 0.84
00:24:03.480 and the pressure that Charlie was under and that everybody who watches Candace
00:24:07.440 always defends her and says,
00:24:08.280 she's never said Erica was involved,
00:24:10.500 but she's implied it very,
00:24:13.460 very sure.
00:24:14.180 In my opinion,
00:24:14.980 she's implied it heavily.
00:24:16.900 Agreed.
00:24:17.360 Agreed.
00:24:17.680 Like,
00:24:18.280 you know,
00:24:19.220 or that she's just blindly working with people who killed her husband and
00:24:22.140 doesn't know,
00:24:22.600 but they were like,
00:24:23.520 these other TPU,
00:24:24.500 TPSA insiders seem to be acting very strange.
00:24:27.600 And so I asked,
00:24:28.580 okay,
00:24:29.260 honest question.
00:24:31.420 In what,
00:24:32.740 uh,
00:24:33.080 can you,
00:24:33.360 can you reference any other high profile assassination of a large political
00:24:37.400 organization where the person's wife and friends acted in a different way?
00:24:43.800 And yet the answer is,
00:24:44.660 the answer is no,
00:24:45.580 because this hasn't happened before,
00:24:47.100 or at least not in our lifetime in this way.
00:24:49.180 And so my point is only,
00:24:50.960 listen,
00:24:52.060 I'm not here to say you're wrong on these,
00:24:53.820 on these theories or anything like this,
00:24:54.760 just that there's no,
00:24:56.220 there's no metric by which to call it strange.
00:24:59.320 It's just that you were told it feels strange.
00:25:03.380 We don't actually know what,
00:25:04.740 why,
00:25:05.040 how,
00:25:05.380 or it's,
00:25:06.000 it's,
00:25:06.040 it's hard to actually assess the facts in this matter.
00:25:08.380 My bigger concern is Candace is allowed to talk about whatever she wants, 1.00
00:25:13.100 be it Israel,
00:25:13.740 Charlie,
00:25:13.940 or otherwise,
00:25:14.340 but it's pulling us off of the core issues that are going to win us a midterm and
00:25:19.340 make sure on these deeper questions,
00:25:21.500 we win.
00:25:21.880 And it is fracturing the right.
00:25:24.700 And I believe that it's,
00:25:26.480 and it's an,
00:25:27.020 look,
00:25:27.340 I agree a hundred percent.
00:25:28.620 And just so people,
00:25:29.280 so you want to do platform,
00:25:30.660 no,
00:25:30.860 Candace can use her platform and talk about whatever she wants. 0.99
00:25:32.920 Tucker too.
00:25:33.700 I tell people,
00:25:34.060 look,
00:25:34.280 I'm not interested in a lot of the stuff Tucker talks about,
00:25:37.020 but you better believe I tuned in on Friday when he did an episode on,
00:25:39.760 on the YouTube messages.
00:25:41.680 The same thing with Candace.
00:25:42.840 If she breaks a story that I'm interested in,
00:25:44.640 I'll probably watch right now.
00:25:46.600 I genuinely believe that she believes a lot of the stuff she's saying.
00:25:50.620 I just don't know if she's getting fed stuff a certain way.
00:25:56.240 I mean,
00:25:56.520 isn't it possible that maybe somebody is feeding her information that,
00:26:01.580 you know,
00:26:02.360 and gaslighting her into this because they know it's effectively dividing the
00:26:05.560 right.
00:26:06.200 But,
00:26:06.360 but again,
00:26:06.680 when she says like every commentator knows that if you don't tow the line
00:26:10.620 for Israel,
00:26:11.420 yeah,
00:26:11.620 hold on.
00:26:12.160 Like,
00:26:12.280 let me just say this.
00:26:13.860 She's now bragging about being the number one podcast.
00:26:15.920 And,
00:26:16.360 and right on,
00:26:16.940 she's always been a massive presence,
00:26:18.560 a massive person with a huge show and it's even bigger now,
00:26:21.420 but she's been anti-Zionist critical of Israel for a long time now.
00:26:26.060 Why haven't they come for her career?
00:26:27.780 What's the argument that she made?
00:26:30.720 Or Tucker.
00:26:31.940 Yeah,
00:26:32.140 exactly.
00:26:32.800 I mean,
00:26:33.060 Tucker by,
00:26:33.940 by many accounts is bigger than he's ever been.
00:26:35.900 Yeah.
00:26:36.540 Especially,
00:26:37.280 especially now with him being the center of this,
00:26:39.500 this major controversy,
00:26:40.480 they tried to silence him from Fox,
00:26:42.400 but he's,
00:26:42.600 he's eating millions of hits on his,
00:26:44.760 on his show.
00:26:45.340 And he's one of the top podcasts in the world as well.
00:26:48.380 What is this narrative?
00:26:49.420 And look at Nick Fuentes.
00:26:50.820 He shot to the top of the Spotify charts.
00:26:52.800 They banned him for it.
00:26:54.380 Now he's as big as he's ever been right now.
00:26:56.200 And,
00:26:56.360 and I'll be fair on the,
00:26:57.920 you can make the argument,
00:26:58.720 Nick got banned and he's critical of Israel,
00:27:00.800 but other major Israel critics are not getting banned.
00:27:04.340 And I will also add daily wire views are,
00:27:08.300 they're down.
00:27:09.260 You know what I mean?
00:27:10.260 So it's like,
00:27:10.660 I don't understand this argument that you have to be pro Israel.
00:27:13.020 It's by all,
00:27:13.560 by all accounts right now,
00:27:14.380 it seems like anti-Israel is the path of viewership.
00:27:17.420 It's nonsense.
00:27:18.260 I mean,
00:27:18.400 I have 2 million,
00:27:19.200 almost 2 million subscribers now,
00:27:20.560 and nobody has ever said anything to me about,
00:27:23.260 Hey,
00:27:23.320 this is what you can talk about.
00:27:24.380 And this is what you can't talk about.
00:27:25.480 That's just a fact.
00:27:26.660 And,
00:27:26.980 and I,
00:27:27.460 I agree that.
00:27:28.900 I think that there are a lot of implications that are made.
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00:28:24.100 critical of Israel,
00:28:25.060 which is directly refuted.
00:28:26.600 Like you said,
00:28:27.240 And the fact that Nick is one of the top live streamers on rumble,
00:28:31.700 the platform where yes,
00:28:32.740 he got banned from YouTube,
00:28:33.580 but let me also point out he was banned,
00:28:36.140 not just specifically for look.
00:28:38.760 I think Nick is very entertaining,
00:28:40.080 but I think even he would admit in his younger days,
00:28:42.800 just like with me,
00:28:43.620 he said stuff that was over the line and crazy that maybe he was banned for
00:28:49.080 that.
00:28:49.920 Not necessarily being critical of Israel,
00:28:51.760 but I'm not going to repeat some of the stuff,
00:28:53.580 but you know,
00:28:54.460 I think that there was a lot of heinous stuff that he said that maybe he'd
00:28:57.500 even take back.
00:28:58.260 Now,
00:28:58.960 Candace is number one.
00:29:00.080 Every podcast she puts out is fully monetized on YouTube.
00:29:02.900 She has more sponsors than ever.
00:29:04.780 And mainstream nonsense.
00:29:06.160 She has like high profile,
00:29:08.280 mainstream,
00:29:08.760 normal sponsors.
00:29:10.140 Yeah.
00:29:10.560 So I never get those ads.
00:29:11.860 I never get those kinds of sponsors that she gets.
00:29:13.940 She gets crazy good sponsorships.
00:29:15.380 So it's just nonsense.
00:29:16.660 It's,
00:29:16.900 it's like how the right are the left gaslights like,
00:29:20.220 Oh,
00:29:20.460 they're coming after me.
00:29:21.720 Well,
00:29:22.140 aren't you the number one podcast?
00:29:23.740 Well,
00:29:24.040 but any minute now,
00:29:25.240 it's like,
00:29:26.180 well,
00:29:26.780 I mean,
00:29:27.400 what about,
00:29:28.000 what about Tucker Carlson?
00:29:29.580 You know,
00:29:29.960 what about Nick?
00:29:31.220 What about these people are all huge.
00:29:32.760 And by the way,
00:29:33.280 Nick is pretty regularly on the YouTube platform.
00:29:36.280 It's not like YouTube,
00:29:37.040 YouTube's pretty lax with his ban.
00:29:38.740 Like he's allowed to do whatever shows he wants.
00:29:41.140 So,
00:29:41.300 I mean,
00:29:41.460 I,
00:29:41.740 I think for a lot of these people,
00:29:43.380 they'll point to like,
00:29:43.980 yay.
00:29:44.240 And they'll say,
00:29:44.720 look at all the censorship over the people who criticize Jews.
00:29:47.020 And it's like,
00:29:47.520 yeah,
00:29:47.620 but hold on.
00:29:49.000 The,
00:29:49.460 that was the general censorship period where if you targeted a group of
00:29:53.060 people,
00:29:53.380 you'd get banned.
00:29:54.060 Like if,
00:29:54.480 if you insulted or denigrated a group based on their ethnic or religious
00:29:58.440 identity.
00:29:59.260 So if you made a video talk, 0.98
00:30:00.900 attacking black people, 1.00
00:30:02.080 they'd ban you Jews, 1.00
00:30:03.320 they'd ban you, 0.97
00:30:03.820 but Chris has white people.
00:30:05.280 All day and night.
00:30:06.320 I think it's fair to say that these weird,
00:30:08.400 censorious social justice people were,
00:30:09.960 were playing those games.
00:30:11.260 Now we've largely won on that front.
00:30:13.720 And now you can be openly critical of basically everybody.
00:30:16.620 So I don't think it was ever really an issue of Israel's banning you from
00:30:20.220 talking about this,
00:30:21.000 but social justice, 0.96
00:30:22.700 wacko leftists hated white people and banned anyone who disparaged any 0.97
00:30:26.800 other group. 0.98
00:30:27.900 That's why Candace today is doing really,
00:30:29.860 really well,
00:30:30.360 despite being particularly Israel critical and getting major sponsors.
00:30:33.880 None,
00:30:34.060 none of these companies are going,
00:30:35.580 we can't sponsor Candace because she says bad things about Israel and implies 0.68
00:30:39.340 turning point killed Charlie.
00:30:40.560 They got no problem with it.
00:30:42.420 Yeah.
00:30:42.580 And I think,
00:30:43.180 I think that there are certain examples where I feel like we are hypersensitive to
00:30:50.280 criticism of Israel.
00:30:51.820 For example,
00:30:52.540 when you have Pam Bondi coming to,
00:30:53.740 Oh,
00:30:53.760 we need hate speech laws. 0.90
00:30:54.980 Right.
00:30:55.260 And every time that happens,
00:30:56.600 it's like,
00:30:57.980 you know,
00:30:58.480 I,
00:30:58.800 I facepalm and I'm like,
00:31:00.520 man,
00:31:00.940 like this just proves kind of that movement.
00:31:04.000 Correct.
00:31:04.240 When you're like,
00:31:05.180 well,
00:31:05.280 we have,
00:31:05.940 or you have like Randy,
00:31:06.800 we have certain politicians,
00:31:08.020 Randy fine being like very,
00:31:09.680 very,
00:31:10.240 very concerned about Israel. 0.97
00:31:12.000 I think that stuff is gross. 0.84
00:31:13.460 And that's what I mean.
00:31:14.060 Like I,
00:31:15.520 I would agree with some of the issues.
00:31:17.960 I just don't think that Israel is the most important issue right now.
00:31:21.560 When young people can't afford houses, 1.00
00:31:23.700 young people can't afford to rent. 0.98
00:31:25.260 We have 50 or mortgages sliding out there.
00:31:27.360 And I have people,
00:31:27.920 my mentions defending them.
00:31:30.600 Like I sold cars.
00:31:31.740 We sold a lot of 84 month loans.
00:31:33.280 And I'll tell you what,
00:31:33.960 it was never once to somebody with a 700 credit score.
00:31:36.340 And who had a good idea about how money work.
00:31:38.900 It's predatory.
00:31:40.040 It's bad.
00:31:41.000 You'll own nothing and be happy.
00:31:42.420 And everyone's like,
00:31:43.060 yeah,
00:31:43.340 but I'm like,
00:31:44.040 no,
00:31:44.780 we need to lower the prices of houses.
00:31:46.700 We need to lower interest.
00:31:47.780 And interest rates are six and a quarter percent right now.
00:31:49.740 Six and a half percent.
00:31:50.940 My house is at 2.75%.
00:31:53.160 I have golden handcuffs.
00:31:54.500 I can never move.
00:31:55.500 That mortgage is too good.
00:31:57.600 Like there's a lot of things that will get people out to vote.
00:32:00.760 And almost none of them.
00:32:02.480 Look,
00:32:03.300 I also say this too.
00:32:05.120 I think a lot of the people who are talking about this were never this mega fracture.
00:32:09.780 They were never mega anyway.
00:32:11.300 You can look at Nick who actively said,
00:32:13.280 Hey,
00:32:13.400 I'm going to get Yang gang. 1.00
00:32:14.620 I'm going to get other people.
00:32:15.580 We don't,
00:32:16.160 you know,
00:32:16.520 he actively said he's going to get his crew to not vote for Trump endorsing Kamala,
00:32:21.180 all this stuff.
00:32:21.720 And then everyone's like,
00:32:22.460 well,
00:32:22.740 mega's got a fracture.
00:32:23.880 I'm like,
00:32:24.180 how many of them really voted for Trump anyway?
00:32:26.700 I don't know if,
00:32:27.860 how many of them even vote?
00:32:29.060 Like,
00:32:29.280 I just don't buy it.
00:32:30.380 I think a lot of it is just fake.
00:32:32.560 What I,
00:32:32.920 as to the,
00:32:33.720 uh,
00:32:33.900 the Charlie Kirk conspiracy theories,
00:32:35.500 I'll,
00:32:35.860 I'll preface it again by saying,
00:32:37.220 what do we know?
00:32:38.680 We'll find out.
00:32:39.580 Maybe there's evidence.
00:32:40.660 Um,
00:32:41.180 it's funny because I've got sources.
00:32:44.160 I'm sure you do.
00:32:45.080 You do too.
00:32:45.800 Uh,
00:32:46.120 I know people who know things,
00:32:48.080 uh,
00:32:48.960 without saying too much,
00:32:50.060 let me just stress that these FBI people have been on Timcast before that.
00:32:54.300 I've gone to the white house and I've interviewed DHS and,
00:32:57.440 and Sam Gorka.
00:32:58.700 I know a lot of these people and I don't publish.
00:33:02.020 Text messages from any of them.
00:33:04.160 I'm not releasing emails or leaking anything where,
00:33:07.320 what I can say is this based on my conversations.
00:33:09.620 Cause you know,
00:33:10.140 like I hear something from Candace or about Candace and I'll,
00:33:13.300 I'll,
00:33:13.520 I'll make a phone call.
00:33:14.440 I'll be like,
00:33:14.860 Hey,
00:33:15.000 like,
00:33:15.180 what do we have on this?
00:33:16.500 What's going on?
00:33:17.660 And the general assessment is the evidence against Robinson is actually much,
00:33:23.520 much better than people realize.
00:33:25.460 That's what I'm hearing too,
00:33:26.540 Tim.
00:33:26.840 I've said,
00:33:27.220 people say,
00:33:27.620 wait till the trial.
00:33:28.380 There will be no doubt.
00:33:29.160 Right.
00:33:29.340 That's what I get told.
00:33:30.100 And this is,
00:33:30.500 this is why,
00:33:31.100 uh,
00:33:31.480 Jack Posobiec.
00:33:32.240 And I think Erica Kirk and many were like,
00:33:34.580 we want cameras in the courtroom because,
00:33:36.900 so the question I get is,
00:33:39.160 yeah,
00:33:39.260 but why won't they then just release the evidence?
00:33:41.820 Why won't the feds just come out and say, 0.78
00:33:43.520 here's more proof.
00:33:44.660 Why won't they release video?
00:33:45.580 Because that will compromise a criminal trial that they released.
00:33:50.540 It's a very convenient position to be as an attempt.
00:33:53.200 Like you,
00:33:53.580 they know they can't release it to counter their narrative.
00:33:57.140 And so I'm sure what's going to happen is everyone's just going to move on to the next thing.
00:34:01.340 As soon as the trial starts,
00:34:03.000 because it's,
00:34:03.940 it's a great time to say,
00:34:05.440 make unfounded claims because the FBI literally cannot refute anything.
00:34:10.220 Like they released the autopsy.
00:34:12.560 They never did an autopsy.
00:34:14.280 Well,
00:34:14.420 actually they did.
00:34:15.160 They did several autopsies.
00:34:16.320 Whoa.
00:34:16.860 Well,
00:34:17.060 what about this thing?
00:34:17.980 And it's like,
00:34:18.440 well,
00:34:19.140 I can't keep up with it.
00:34:20.980 And again,
00:34:21.340 I got no problem saying maybe they're all wrong.
00:34:22.960 I don't know that what I've heard behind the scenes,
00:34:25.920 private and public,
00:34:27.320 meaning like from government and from corporations and from people in,
00:34:30.780 in the know who have been involved is that they're not going to release evidence
00:34:35.680 that will lay out their arguments in advance.
00:34:39.220 They will release evidence to the defense that they are legally required to.
00:34:43.500 But if they issue a statement saying,
00:34:45.220 here's our position,
00:34:46.620 you are going to give the suspect advanced knowledge to the tune of years or
00:34:52.780 months of what you're going to argue in court.
00:34:55.180 And they're going to try and find ways to break that apart.
00:34:57.740 And that could be fabricating alibis or who knows what they might do.
00:35:01.920 It is an absurdity in my opinion that they would expect a high profile case to
00:35:06.600 come out and be like,
00:35:07.540 here's all the evidence,
00:35:08.560 have fun,
00:35:08.960 go for it,
00:35:09.400 because then you're going to get an acquittal.
00:35:11.040 So here's what I'm going to say that,
00:35:13.100 you know,
00:35:13.340 people get mad at me about,
00:35:14.220 but I'm not here to hold hands.
00:35:15.040 I think Candace has a grudge against a turning point. 0.97
00:35:18.320 I agree.
00:35:19.460 There,
00:35:19.560 there is a,
00:35:20.460 I guess a feud in 2023 is what I've seen people talking about where there was an argument over,
00:35:27.420 um,
00:35:28.120 with like Candace and,
00:35:29.160 and,
00:35:29.440 and,
00:35:29.780 and Charlie Candace still really great friends with Charlie stepped back and wasn't as heavily 0.55
00:35:34.400 involved.
00:35:34.880 And now that Charlie is gone,
00:35:37.520 the people at turning point,
00:35:38.900 she does not like,
00:35:40.500 I'll put it,
00:35:41.260 I'll put it nice and I'll put it mean.
00:35:43.320 She doesn't trust them.
00:35:44.920 So to a hammer,
00:35:45.920 everything looks like an ale.
00:35:46.860 These are people who betrayed her or who she doesn't like,
00:35:49.180 or she thought was manipulating Charlie.
00:35:50.380 She thinks betrayed her,
00:35:51.840 right?
00:35:52.020 We don't even know.
00:35:53.400 And so maybe she's just biased.
00:35:55.300 Worse.
00:35:55.920 The worst case scenario is she's looking for a means to attack these people.
00:36:00.040 She does not like,
00:36:00.840 what I can't say is maybe she's right.
00:36:03.580 You know,
00:36:03.820 I don't know.
00:36:04.500 Um,
00:36:04.840 I don't think so.
00:36:05.580 I think it's more,
00:36:06.440 uh,
00:36:06.900 bias oriented.
00:36:08.320 And I think it's these,
00:36:09.860 these,
00:36:10.140 these ongoing Charlie narrative is dividing the right in a way that doesn't help us in
00:36:14.080 any way.
00:36:14.960 So what I've said is when people talk to your point about Nick and,
00:36:19.560 you know,
00:36:19.620 he's not really MAGA.
00:36:20.440 He was pro commonly.
00:36:21.240 He was,
00:36:21.520 he was anti-Trump.
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00:37:13.080 This is what I say of Candace.
00:37:14.340 I don't,
00:37:15.020 I don't see her as being a Republican comment or conservative commentator.
00:37:17.900 She's an influencer podcaster who talks about Blake Lively and Bridget McCrone being a man.
00:37:24.900 That's her accusation.
00:37:26.020 These are not principal issues of policy, debate, elections.
00:37:30.760 It is true crime and drama.
00:37:33.640 And so if she's going to do a true crime drama thing as it goes with Charlie, I'm not all that
00:37:38.120 bent out of shape because it's not the right.
00:37:40.080 Now the Tucker thing does bring us into this rift with a resignation from Heritage and all
00:37:44.500 that, but even Trump just comes out right now and says, Tucker can talk to whoever he wants.
00:37:48.680 So perhaps it's not really that bad.
00:37:50.760 So long as what's demoralizing is the Candace thing is pulling conservative commentators into 1.00
00:37:57.000 a drama sphere instead of staying focused on policy.
00:38:00.280 I'll tell you this, Trump last week, it felt like this was the worst week of the Trump presidency
00:38:06.220 and that everything was falling apart.
00:38:08.960 And I tweeted on Friday, X'd on Friday, you know, like everyone just relax.
00:38:14.940 It was a bad week.
00:38:16.060 We admit it.
00:38:16.760 But like, look what happened.
00:38:18.840 Trump came out and said, look, Tucker can interview whoever he wants.
00:38:22.380 And oh, by the way, release the files.
00:38:24.560 So like everything that everybody, that's why I say it's like, it's like there is bot traffic
00:38:30.960 or there is an actual effort to like demoralize and break apart the right because it's like
00:38:36.620 everybody on Friday was like, oh my God, it's all falling apart.
00:38:41.620 And I'm like, do you?
00:38:43.800 Yeah.
00:38:44.460 But like, do you not remember 2016?
00:38:46.120 This is who Trump is.
00:38:47.880 He does crazy stuff.
00:38:49.660 And then he comes back and most of the time he fixes it.
00:38:53.680 And now go ahead.
00:38:55.080 No, no, finish, finish, finish.
00:38:56.300 I've said like him calling this stuff a hoax.
00:38:58.680 I think I actually understand now.
00:39:00.280 I think he thinks that he's in the files is a hoax.
00:39:04.280 And that's why he says hoax.
00:39:06.000 But like now he, he read the room or somebody got in his ear.
00:39:09.540 This is where we miss Charlie the most.
00:39:10.940 I think Charlie would have gotten in his ear much sooner.
00:39:13.680 And like, now he's like, hey, well, we'll just read the release the files.
00:39:17.060 Let's get back to talking about how we're winning.
00:39:18.640 I'm like, yes, thank you.
00:39:21.240 And now everybody who is chicken littling on Friday can flip and relax.
00:39:26.180 I want to, I want to just say one last thing too.
00:39:28.000 Um, I remember when DeSantis was the favorite to win the Republican nomination back in like
00:39:34.720 22 and the right was fighting each other like crazy.
00:39:38.160 The pro DeSantis side ripping apart the MAGA side.
00:39:40.760 And we were like, oh no.
00:39:41.980 And then Trump wins.
00:39:43.660 The DeSantis people all come back together.
00:39:45.360 And then Trump goes on to actually win the actual election.
00:39:49.240 So even with all of this demoralization and rift, I'm willing to bet this.
00:39:53.960 I'm sure, um, in the event Candace hears that I have criticisms of her, my show is nowhere
00:39:58.200 near as big as hers.
00:39:59.040 But in the event it comes across it, I'm sure she'll have a rebuttal or privately have a
00:40:03.760 rebuttal.
00:40:04.100 She doesn't need to say anything to me.
00:40:05.060 But I know that probably when we get to 28, we're all going to be on the same page again,
00:40:10.160 being like, we got to win, especially the midterms too.
00:40:12.680 So that's what I'm hoping.
00:40:13.680 So let's enjoy the bickering for now, but I think it'll come together.
00:40:17.820 Yeah.
00:40:17.960 Any, any, any final thoughts you wanted to add on this before we wrap up?
00:40:20.600 I think we, I think we agree on that.
00:40:22.480 I think after Christmas and then when the midterm election cycle starts, everybody's going to
00:40:27.200 be back on path.
00:40:28.760 We already saw Trump kind of say, all right, here's your dang files.
00:40:32.180 Okay.
00:40:32.960 And let's get back to work.
00:40:34.700 That's how I felt.
00:40:36.280 Trump's going to do some wackadoo things, but I think ultimately the guy is a chaotic good
00:40:41.960 and he's going to be fine.
00:40:44.000 And, and that the, the political voices, the people who actually want to get people out
00:40:47.820 there and vote, they're going to re-coalass and it's, and it's going to be a fight, but
00:40:52.500 it's going to be about, you know, Trump talking about Massey's wife.
00:40:56.080 Oh, that was bad.
00:40:57.640 You know, like all that stuff, like that's as bad as Trump gets, but now we're getting
00:41:01.540 good Trump, like get back on it.
00:41:03.280 And I feel confident that after Christmas, you know, and the Kirk trial starts, that's
00:41:09.420 going to help too.
00:41:10.100 These evidence will actually start to come out.
00:41:12.140 So I'm still optimistic.
00:41:13.500 I am not doom pilled.
00:41:15.360 And, um, and, and I think that there are many distractions, but they will, they will simply
00:41:21.020 go away when the midterm people will remember who the real enemy is.
00:41:23.900 I agree.
00:41:24.640 Right on brother.
00:41:25.120 Well, Hey man, it's been really great.
00:41:26.120 Hanging out.
00:41:26.700 Uh, where can people find you?
00:41:28.140 Yeah.
00:41:28.460 Thanks for having me.
00:41:29.180 I'm, I'm, I'm on YouTube and rumble.
00:41:30.940 I'm live on rumble at, um, two Eastern.
00:41:33.860 So if you're looking for something to watch, um, you know, you've got your Tim fix and now
00:41:37.940 you need, um, like a, a portly Midwestern guy, you know, I'm on there and I'd love to see
00:41:43.840 you on the live show.
00:41:44.980 And I appreciate you having me on Tim.
00:41:46.820 And I was always good to talk to you, man.
00:41:48.160 Right on, man.
00:41:48.600 Anytime.
00:41:49.020 Thanks for hanging out.
00:41:50.140 See ya.
00:41:50.360 Anyway, that of course is Jeremy Hambly, AKA the quartering joining us today.
00:41:56.400 So really do appreciate you guys tuning in, smash the like button, share the show with
00:42:00.080 everyone, you know, become a member of our discord community.
00:42:03.720 Uh, you know, I'll say one final thing.
00:42:05.800 I went on Candace's show and I went and visited the daily wire a couple of years ago and I
00:42:09.840 think she's a genius.
00:42:10.780 I really do mean it when I say it.
00:42:12.780 Um, I've been familiar with some of her work and I went on her show and I can't, there was
00:42:17.440 a bunch of issues that were going on that I had analyzed.
00:42:20.100 I had looked up the evidence and quick as can be, she nailed every point.
00:42:26.160 She saw through manipulations and lies.
00:42:28.160 I was very, very, very impressed as for right now.
00:42:31.800 Uh, I'm not even necessarily saying she's wrong.
00:42:33.520 I do take issue with like this hyper focus on Israel, but, um, you know, the one thing
00:42:39.520 that always does give me pauses, I haven't forgotten.
00:42:42.480 And I know a lot of people don't like Candace.
00:42:44.100 I haven't forgotten when I went on her show and how, how astute and intelligent she was.
00:42:50.260 You don't get to number one on accident.
00:42:52.660 So I don't think, I don't think that she's simply making mistakes.
00:42:58.380 Um, I think bias potentially pays, plays a role in this, her concerns over turning point.
00:43:05.160 And then, um, maybe she's right.
00:43:07.280 You know, what do I know?
00:43:09.520 I think that merit goes a long way and there's a lot of people, they're usually leftists.
00:43:15.260 They take a look at someone like Candace and her success and, or Tucker, and they're going 0.97
00:43:19.680 to say it's because they're liars because they're grifters. 0.87
00:43:21.120 I don't do that. 0.69
00:43:21.660 But I take a look at someone like Candace and Tucker, and I think to myself, what am
00:43:26.280 I doing wrong?
00:43:27.980 And with that being said, uh, I do have tremendous respect for Candace, even if I think she's
00:43:32.340 wrong or deserving of criticism.
00:43:34.020 And, uh, that's why I always say when it comes to calling people out, there's the benefit
00:43:38.980 of the doubt that I give to people that are typically correct on issues.
00:43:42.860 And if I think someone's wrong, I'm going to say, I think they're wrong.
00:43:45.560 We'll see.
00:43:46.520 I think it's all going to work out in the end.
00:43:48.020 But other than that, Hey, it is what it is.
00:43:49.920 Smash the like button, share the show, stay tuned.
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